Bannon's War Room - Battleground EP 987： Updates From South Carolina To Take Down Lindsey Graham; Manifestation Of Globalism In The EU

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval

00:00:11.000 on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people

00:00:17.640 have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in

00:00:21.700 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:25.140 like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:00:32.960 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save

00:00:40.620 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. 0.62

00:00:48.100 it's monday 13 april your overlord 2026 uh ben harnwell uh ben you're back in rome uh thank you

00:01:00.300 for uh co-hosting with this uh this evening uh i appreciate we got a lot to get through

00:01:06.980 including 60 minutes of pope uh orban all of it i'm gonna get to in a second but i want to start

00:01:12.040 with i know you've had an active interest in this uh the neocon movement here uh that's kind of

00:01:18.780 gotten us into this jam in the middle east led by really you know lindsey graham who i think is

00:01:25.860 nothing short of totally revolting uh and particularly for the folks in south carolina 1.00

00:01:30.180 how this has been allowed to continue on huge development in that race over the weekend first

00:01:35.980 off lindsey's been polling below 50 and you can see it's a a problem because they've started getting

00:01:43.920 nasty about some of the competition and people working for the competition lindsey grimm actually

00:01:49.200 had a press conference last week and called a bunch of folks anti-semites you know the same 0.97

00:01:53.660 parlor tricks that used to work all the time that fall flat or don't work anymore as lindsey grimm

00:01:59.680 has been out of control but uh paul dans and paul joins us now paul's the one of the architects of

00:02:05.640 Project 2025 and worked for years. In those years in the wilderness with President Trump and the

00:02:10.880 MAGA movement to really, as public intellectuals, kind of come together and lay out a foundational

00:02:16.320 element of what would be the second Trump terms revolution. And quite frankly, in the first six

00:02:25.960 or nine months, it was absolutely instrumental, kind of overwhelmed the system with just great

00:02:30.720 ideas and and great thought through policies and you had the executive orders etc um of course

00:02:37.680 la savita and that crowd denied it when i was in prison in 24. of course that was a bald-faced lie

00:02:44.560 it was uh it was absolutely always part of the underpinnings of what was going to happen you can

00:02:49.680 see that you don't need to it's not an opinion just a fact you look at what happened and coming

00:02:54.140 out in the first six or nine months of the administration. It flooded the zone. This was

00:03:01.780 the policies that did it. Paul, a big announcement on Friday. You had announced, I think you moved

00:03:07.500 to South Carolina a couple of years ago, you announced you were in for the Senate, but you

00:03:10.260 announced on Friday that you're suspending your campaign, pulling out of the race, and you're

00:03:15.580 throwing your weight against another one of Lindsey Graham's competitors, Mark Lynch.

00:03:22.700 Walk me through that.

00:03:24.100 And what lessons have you learned from this race?

00:03:26.400 Because I think a lot of people, particularly Warren Posse, are kind of shocked knowing the patriotism and how MAGA the Republicans are in South Carolina.

00:03:36.980 How Lindsey, and he's been so out of control during this Iran war, it's really been, I call it revolting or offensive and dangerous to the country, dangerous to our allies, and particularly dangerous to our men and women in service and harm's way.

00:03:50.740 So what have you learned about in South Carolina? 0.89

00:03:52.960 Why did you drop out of the race?

00:03:54.360 And why did you throw your weight in back of Mark Lynch?

00:03:58.340 Well, Stephen, Ben, great to be with you.

00:04:00.560 Greetings from Charleston, South Carolina.

00:04:02.580 You know, I came here.

00:04:03.780 I'm a South Carolinian by choice.

00:04:05.780 I got married to a Carolina girl, best in the world, 20 years ago.

00:04:11.060 So we've been actually calling South Carolina our home for 10 years now, going on 10 years.

00:04:15.800 But I've been away doing battle in the trenches in the deep state, working in the first Trump administration, being one of his killers.

00:04:25.520 And as you note, then becoming the architect of Project 2025.

00:04:28.880 So I have been journeying to the front now for going on 10 years.

00:04:33.280 And look, there's no bigger emblematic person of the swamp than in Lindsey Graham.

00:04:39.820 This is a guy for the exact reason I got into politics.

00:04:42.880 He stands for someone who left our state 30 years ago, now 32 years in D.C., meanwhile, an advocate for endless foreign war.

00:04:54.160 So I could not sit here and just allow Lindsey Graham to walk into a fifth term.

00:04:59.540 I stood up.

00:05:00.500 I got in this race for the same reason I got out of it, because we have to stop Lindsey Graham.

00:05:06.440 And I pulled my candidacy on Friday.

00:05:09.860 It was the last day to get off the ballot.

00:05:11.420 I had been endorsed by Tucker Carlson.

00:05:13.720 A lot of the base was coming behind me, and they knew my work from Project 2025.

00:05:18.420 But, you know, Mark has the resources. 0.99

00:05:20.860 This is all about the money at this stage, and Lindsey is extremely unpopular.

00:05:26.360 This is the sort of thing, you know, patriots have to do.

00:05:29.580 Sometimes you've got to let somebody go forward and kind of bring up the rear echelon, and

00:05:34.400 that's what I'm going to do.

00:05:35.520 I'm going to do everything in my power to get Mark Lynch across the finish line and

00:05:39.720 get Lindsey Graham into retirement.

00:05:41.420 um this i i got in this race to stop world war three you know and i feel like you know lindsey's

00:05:48.920 pressing the envelope here i i figured we could beat him by june 9th and this everything stop it

00:05:54.420 okay okay so he's under 50 he's under 50 if you get this you go to the primary and he's under 50

00:06:00.220 you go to a runoff but as you've gone around because you've the campaign didn't have a lot

00:06:05.480 of cash so you had to do it the old-fashioned way events oppressing the flesh meeting people

00:06:10.880 As you go around in Carolina, I think the rest of the nation is sitting there going, how can this guy, particularly his out-of-control behavior, he's been inebriated a bunch going on TV, he's been arrogant, he's talked about Saudi Arabia, we have to have a perpetuity defense deal that exposes us to the Middle East forever with Saudi Arabia so that they come and help us in this war in the Persian Gulf.

00:06:37.400 the stuff he's saying is is dangerous but it also sounds unhinged what if folks in because people

00:06:44.080 say hey look south carolina is one of the railheads of the maga movement you don't come any

00:06:49.460 more patriotic you don't come any more hardcore conservative uh so what if you go around press

00:06:55.240 the flesh what are people saying about this well i'm i'm standing up to say no more to this

00:07:00.640 humiliation ritual i mean this is one of the great mysteries and when i travel outside the state

00:07:05.320 people are like, yeah, but Lindsey Graham, how do you explain that? Look, back up. This is the same

00:07:10.640 guy who put both of Obama's Supreme Court justices on the bench. This is Grand Nesty, the Gang of

00:07:16.800 Eight. You go back, this guy has a murderer's row of awful takes. He's the guy who called

00:07:23.100 President Trump the worst nominee in the history of the Republican Party. He's a guy who said he

00:07:27.840 was, President Trump was unfit to be commander in chief. Later on was the one who told John McCain

00:07:33.780 to give that Steele dossier to the FBI in the first place. He didn't even vote for President

00:07:39.600 Trump. He voted for that Evan McMuffin deep state character. So this is the worst embodiment. And

00:07:45.180 yeah, the same guy after President Trump, rigged and stolen, you know, said about the J6 0.99

00:07:51.860 protesters, told the Capitol Police they should have shot more of him in the head. 0.62

00:07:57.140 So how has he held on to power? Basically, because no one with courage has stepped forward

00:08:01.920 to challenge them. And it is a money thing. Look, I put my fortune, if you will, which is a meager

00:08:09.200 one by comparison, but this is about the land of patriots. We stand on hollow ground here in South

00:08:15.680 Carolina. Thomas Sumter, Andrew Pickens, the Swamp Fox, Francis Marion, you start naming them.

00:08:22.840 This is where the revolution happened. And we never would have gotten our freedom if

00:08:27.920 one patriot was shooting at another. That was what was in front of me to start tearing down

00:08:33.280 Mr. Lynch. And I said, no, I'm not going to do this. The reason I got in this race is to

00:08:37.320 get rid of Lindsey Graham. And Mr. Lynch, he's a patriot. He has a lot of his own personal

00:08:42.540 resources. He's a successful businessman. So we have a 60-day push here. And this is for everyone,

00:08:49.380 not just the patriots in South Carolina, but for the whole war room. This is for everybody. This

00:08:53.560 is the battle. This is Lexington and Concord for America first. This is the battle. And I love

00:09:00.340 President Trump. Look, President Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham, but he knows he's made a lot of

00:09:06.100 miscues on personnel, and we've all suffered because of that. But look, President Trump's

00:09:12.580 very popular down here, but Lindsey is not. He's booed in his own hometown, and this is about

00:09:18.680 standing up to end this humiliation, liberating this sentencing for the people of South Carolina.

00:09:26.380 Stop the humiliation ritual. I love it. Paul Dans, social media website. How do people keep

00:09:32.020 up with you, sir? Yeah, you can go to our website, pauldans.com, sign up there, learn about my next,

00:09:39.660 you know, I'm going to continue to push our platform here, bringing a 21st century

00:09:44.760 agricultural economy to South Carolina, getting justice for the opioid crisis and really bringing

00:09:50.760 tech back into the middle school shop class and making our next generation ready to live the 1.00

00:09:56.800 American dream, getting the Chinese off the farmland. Go to Dan's for Senate on X, give us a 1.00

00:10:01.860 follow and find me on the campaign trail. I'll be there, you know, appearing when Mark can't, but

00:10:08.520 really all patriots need to put their shoulder to the wheel on this one. I stood up for this. I've

00:10:13.800 just dedicated the last nine months and the big we just had our fifth baby here so this is important

00:10:19.600 i have a stake in the future lindsey graham's a childless warmonger and we have to stop this

00:10:25.800 and we have every chance mark lynch will be your next u.s center if we all make it happen

00:10:31.100 a good carolina girl with paul dance the fifth game cock paul dance thank you thank you for

00:10:38.320 your heroism and standing up here sir look forward to having you back on thank you paul dan's one of

00:10:44.400 the our chief architects of project 2025 that has done so much particularly in the first year of

00:10:49.400 this uh ben we got a lot to go through i want to start with lindsey graham in the war and uh you

00:10:55.460 you've been in england you're back in rome we're gonna get to all the stuff of the pope all in a

00:10:58.940 second uh but just your general assessment orban victor orban uh really a landslide uh on sunday

00:11:07.460 your thoughts on all of it. How's the war playing out? We now know that the NATO allies have told

00:11:13.020 us categorically upon further review, they're not going to pitch in at all with our naval blockade.

00:11:19.200 And you've got Orban, who was kind of the last man standing against the EU and particularly 0.88

00:11:24.620 kept Hungary from being the Islamification that's happened so many other places. In fact, 0.98

00:11:31.140 I think the Netherlands, I think William of Orange's descendant from the Netherlands is going to be at the White House tonight or even right now for some sort of, you know, presentation. 0.90

00:11:44.400 And they've done more than anybody to look the other way as Gert Wilders has tried to stop the Islamification of the Netherlands.

00:11:51.140 Your thoughts on all of it, sir? 0.78

00:11:53.440 Well, Steve, let me just pick up from Paul Dan's pulling out.

00:11:58.840 We're doing his nomination.

00:12:00.160 You'll notice what he said there, that really he withdrew his nomination for the same reason that he threw his name into the ring, which is because he wanted to stop Lindsey Graham.

00:12:12.340 And I think that's absolutely magnificent. And that's the heart, the moral heart of the decency, which is in the MAGA movement.

00:12:21.300 And I think you'll agree with me, Steve, that all the true luminaries in this movement are movement guys.

00:12:28.200 They're in it because they believe in the ideals of the movement.

00:12:32.880 And I wish, you know, I think the movement would be stronger if some of President Trump's endorsements were of that calibre.

00:12:41.420 Sadly, they're not. I think a lot of the people are using his good nature, certainly his name and his reputation, to get ahead in politics.

00:12:48.700 and they're not movement guys, Steve.

00:12:50.720 They're in it for themselves.

00:12:52.980 So I just want to add that point.

00:12:56.160 And as you recited the litany of all the things

00:12:59.260 that is most offensive about Lindsey Graham,

00:13:01.840 I don't know if you said it and I missed it,

00:13:03.340 but his dismissal of the honoured dead,

00:13:06.400 the heroic dead at Iwo Jima,

00:13:08.740 was it my memory?

00:13:10.440 Did I just imagine he dismissed them

00:13:12.800 with a flick of his hand?

00:13:15.040 As he said, well, you know,

00:13:16.200 we did it before, we can do it again.

00:13:17.880 zero appreciation whatsoever of the cost um no that money is unacceptable i think to be a precinct

00:13:24.620 captain let alone the united states senator um okay so moving on then let's talk about hungary

00:13:31.600 uh there's there's a relationship between the movement in hungary and the movement

00:13:35.580 hang on hang on i want i want to i want to talk about the movement connected

00:13:40.080 iran but also hungary and what's happening right now in ireland so go ahead sir the floor is yours

00:13:47.620 okay so hungary well i think the latest statistics as they're coming in are that um peter magia the

00:13:55.360 new president of hungary the guy who was a disciple of victor orban two years ago left

00:14:01.080 fidesz started his new party now got i think um 138 deputies out of 199 in the hungarian parliament

00:14:09.640 that's like 70 that is a huge number i'm gonna go out here steve and give you an analysis that

00:14:17.060 I haven't seen anywhere. Not in the pro-Orban or the anti-Orban campaign. It's this. It's not a

00:14:24.000 defeat that he lost this election, not even with the landslide against him that he did. I think it

00:14:29.200 was somewhat inevitable. 16 years straight. Don't forget, he served another time, another term back

00:14:36.460 in the 90s, but he's just concluded 16 years straight in office. That is, in electoral terms,

00:14:42.520 It's gravity defying. And I don't like and I'm not going to add to the narrative that this is that this defeat is a rejection of the Orban agenda.

00:14:53.380 I don't think it is. I think Peter Magyar quite intelligently, quite cleverly pitched his campaign to be as much like Viktor Orban as possible.

00:15:04.520 apart from a couple of exceptions, important exceptions

00:15:09.300 notably the relationship with the European Union

00:15:12.580 and that is because Magyar did not want to scare the horses

00:15:16.620 he realised how well Viktor Orban had done to cement

00:15:20.720 his values in the Hungarian people

00:15:24.280 and in some sense, don't forget Magyar is of the centre-right

00:15:28.340 as I said, he was a disciple of Matilda a couple of years ago

00:15:31.980 is very much, I think, a continuation of, in important regards,

00:15:37.960 a continuation of the Orban agenda just under new leadership.

00:15:42.220 And I think that's what the Hungarian people,

00:15:43.880 what I mean to say is after 16 years straight, continuous and elected office,

00:15:48.720 you might expect the pendulum to have swung in totally the opposite direction towards the left.

00:15:54.360 And that's not what has happened.

00:15:56.000 So here on the warm, I definitely would like to say against the mainstream media's narrative here

00:16:01.520 that be careful when people are suggesting

00:16:04.920 that this has been catastrophic for Viktor Orban.

00:16:09.280 I think it was almost impossible, frankly,

00:16:11.980 for him to have won that election.

00:16:13.980 Certain things you can pick up and say,

00:16:15.960 well, you know, there were elements,

00:16:18.280 accusations of corruption that hadn't been handled well,

00:16:22.440 and I think that's a reasonable criticism to make.

00:16:24.440 But as far as the agenda is concerned,

00:16:27.200 I don't think that was a full-throated rejection of it,

00:16:30.320 not at all, Steve.

00:16:31.520 But when you say that his was more of an embrace of the EU's agenda and getting in, getting right, I mean, doesn't that cut to the heart?

00:16:41.800 The reason the the original reason there was this break is that Orban said, hey, look, under no circumstances are I'm letting many in here. 0.99

00:16:50.280 I'm not letting these migrants pass through here. I'm not taking guys from the Ukraine that I stand or thwart the EU's globalization and homogynation of Europe. 0.90

00:17:02.120 We're hungry. We're going to have Hungarian culture. And so to say that the wink and the nod, you know, and for the voters, he's talking about,

00:17:11.340 domestic issues and orban's too focused on international he's too close to trump and these

00:17:17.060 people on the right uh isn't aren't we going to see the manifestation of this wink and the nod come

00:17:22.580 with now uh you're going to see uh you know playing ball with brussels particularly on

00:17:29.640 immigration because this is the thing that the whole the whole issue everything revolves around

00:17:34.480 and this is why you're seeing a revolt right now in ireland on the other side of the eu sir

00:17:39.380 well look in addition to the litany you can also add some other points as well

00:17:44.440 you can you can add i mean i think you mentioned the migration and ukraine you can also add to that

00:17:49.540 lgbt and an attempt to straighten out judicial activism amongst the uh the um the hungarian

00:17:58.440 magistracy yeah so there are issues there but i would come back to the point what hungarians

00:18:03.200 thought they were electing and what they're going to be given might not necessarily be the same

00:18:07.420 thing. I don't think they are the same thing. I don't think the vote was a rejection of Victor

00:18:11.880 Orban's 16 years. If we're now talking about the benefit of hindsight, perhaps one might

00:18:23.080 gently suggest that the last term might have been an opportunity for Victor Orban to anoint

00:18:30.120 a successor, anoint an heir and step back gracefully or at least provisionally to let

00:18:36.480 some fresh faces and fresh blood come in and then he could have shuffled his succession

00:18:42.640 and himself and being a protagonist in that rather than having that done for him. But I think the

00:18:48.340 facts speak for themselves. In order to put a close to this 16 years, they needed to get someone

00:18:55.400 from Viktor Orban's movement as the most credible candidate. And I'll underline that because I think

00:19:01.900 it's important. It is also important, as you say, the European Union's ever-present shadow

00:19:08.760 in the background, let me put it like that, they've effectively bribed the Hungarian electorate

00:19:13.380 with their own money by releasing now, or announced that they're going to release the

00:19:18.080 $35 billion worth of funds that Hungarians, of course, were paying for themselves by their

00:19:26.180 the country's disbursement of funds to um to brussels and that had been blocked for purely

00:19:34.380 uh spiteful reasons because as you say with regards to um ukraine primarily but also the

00:19:42.000 invasion and also the lgbt agenda victor orban wasn't playing game so in order to destabilize

00:19:49.540 the hungarian government brussels then basically quite illegally in my view withheld uh the the

00:19:56.680 handing back of hungary's own money back to the hungarian people and that 35 billion euros is

00:20:03.640 is a significant sum and hungarians wanted that money back um but you know here's the thing steve

00:20:09.900 here's the thing yeah here's okay you know it might have been if we're playing the if we're

00:20:18.100 Now, in analysing this with the benefit of hindsight, I would suggest it would have been more useful for the administration to have helped Hungary in that fight rather than just sending over Vice President Vance in the dying days of the Hungarian electoral campaign.

00:20:34.420 I don't really think that Viktor Orban had done very much wrong.

00:20:40.560 As I say, I think it was more of a case of the inability to defeat electoral laws of gravity than anything else.

00:20:49.960 But I do think, if we're looking at this critically, the US administration could have done a lot more over a longer time under President Trump's leadership to give visible and actual support.

00:21:03.580 America is a very important country, as we all know, the most powerful economic, military, cultural force.

00:21:11.520 But given this war, what happened over the last couple of months, particularly as a lot of these momentum and so much of this is where people define what they want to do in the last couple of months before actual election.

00:21:27.180 It made President Trump in some of the moves.

00:21:29.300 Also, Orban did something – I haven't seen anybody else. He had an outright embrace of Netanyahu, not just Israel, but the Netanyahu government.

00:21:40.500 Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Netanyahu's son – and people know we're not fans of Netanyahu or the sons – didn't the son go and campaign with Orban in Hungary?

00:21:49.380 I believe so. But the European relationship with Israel is quite different. I think the antagonisms are very different in the European context than they are in the American political context.

00:22:08.480 And I think Viktor Orban saw that as a zero cost way of signaling that he's not anti-Semitic, which, of course, is the go to slur to anyone on the far right.

00:22:23.540 And I think I was probably more involved with his mental calculations, his mental, his electoral arithmetic and strategizing.

00:22:33.100 because, as we all know, though I share your concerns on this entirely,

00:22:40.720 I wouldn't have had anyone from the Netanyahu family on the campaign,

00:22:44.300 and I wouldn't have tied my country so closely to Israel either.

00:22:47.580 But I do understand why Viktor Orban might have done that,

00:22:51.260 because the accusation of being anti-Semitic is literally one

00:22:55.260 that has been made constantly in his direction.

00:22:57.760 what about uh as the eu because they're they're they're spiking the football like you can't

00:23:05.380 believe i mean it's like it'd be the equivalent for them that trump would be defeated uh in in

00:23:10.420 the second term uh what about uh what about ireland yeah i mean funny the the protests

00:23:18.160 and in ireland right now to do with the actual primary cause of this is the exorbitant fuel costs

00:23:26.440 um that's affecting everyone is affecting people at the pump is affecting the agricultural industry

00:23:31.520 that the farmers have had um for the last couple of years also because ireland is a full member of

00:23:38.880 the eu um the farmers have had the full brunt of the of the european union's attempts to squash

00:23:47.120 domestic farming industry in in order to open the market to south to latin america um i'll say this

00:23:55.380 This is a consequence of what is, you know, this is the Europeans bearing the brunt right now of the destabilization in the Strait of Hormuz and the Middle East generally.

00:24:09.160 There's no doubt about that.

00:24:11.520 It's not like that here in Italy yet, because the government's cutting fuel duty, tax duty on petrol.

00:24:19.720 So Italians aren't particularly feeling it at the pump as much as the Irish.

00:24:24.180 But what we're seeing in Ireland, these protests expect them to grow if the fuel, the petrol doesn't come back online.

00:24:36.940 So, in fact, we've got Kevin Pasovic is actually there in Ireland, and we're going to be doing live reporting as soon as we get.

00:24:45.340 Kevin today went out and was meeting many of the contacts we have in Ireland to put this in context.

00:24:51.240 And he's going to be up on the show tomorrow morning on The War Room and throughout the week or longer, however long this revolt takes.

00:24:59.300 Can you hang on for one second?

00:25:00.780 We're going to take a short commercial break, Ben, and I want to get into the 60 Minutes interview last night with three beauties, cardinals from the Catholic Church.

00:25:12.920 And also President Trump is into it with Prevost.

00:25:16.960 As you remember, I was the one that said that Prevost was going to be selected as Pope before the conclave actually started on Piers Morgan on, I guess at the time it's on YouTube.

00:25:30.580 It's a big show in Britain of what was going to happen because he was the perfect, he's the perfect solution for the, for the deep state of the Vatican.

00:25:39.660 veriently anti-Trump, veriently anti-Amaga, veriently anti-American,

00:25:46.200 but could seduce all the donors to come and give money.

00:25:50.600 Of course, a lot of the folks who should know better

00:25:55.180 kind of fell into the trap of Prevost and how fantastic he was going to be.

00:25:59.380 That was a rude awakening here over the last month or two.

00:26:02.760 I think a lot of people are now on alert.

00:26:04.800 Anyway, short commercial break.

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00:31:45.680 dark horses i think unfortunately he's one of the most progressive is is cardinal prevost i don't

00:31:50.320 think he's getting enough play he is certainly on the short list as being and i think it's pretty

00:31:54.720 shocking given the the uh how the contempt they hold the american church the american church

00:32:00.840 gives so much money, they're afraid it has too much power. So they've never really wanted to

00:32:04.760 have an American pope. But my understanding is Prevost is one of the ones closest to Francis

00:32:09.980 ideologically. He's also had tremendous experience in Latin America. And so he's one of the ones on

00:32:15.300 the short list. I'm a big believer that Cardinal Seurat from Africa would be a perfect selection

00:32:24.380 right now for this moment in the church. But I will tell everybody, this is anybody's game right

00:32:29.620 Now, between Parolin, one of the traditionalists, you have no earthy idea how this is going to turn out.

00:32:35.120 That's why I think this time, this run up is so important.

00:32:37.980 And it's kind of it's interesting that it's ironic.

00:32:40.700 It's going to take place. It's going to kick off, I think, on the either the day of or the day before the 80th anniversary of a victory in Europe.

00:32:48.980 So it's very symbolic of what's coming together here in the first place.

00:32:53.740 so uh prevos and the reason ben you and i talked about it that we had signal fingered prevos is

00:33:01.480 they need the american church and particularly the american donors to keep writing big checks

00:33:05.360 that was uh the end of francis's day that got to be an issue they needed to mollify them by saying

00:33:11.640 hey we got an american he he's a chicago white socks fan uh was he's actually i believe even

00:33:17.900 more radical than francis uh but he was groomed by francis and these guys and they knew exactly

00:33:24.060 what they were getting and it's now come out and particularly because he wore the right vestments

00:33:28.820 i mean it was it was pretty shocking to me to see particularly many of our colleagues and allies on

00:33:35.440 the trad catholic right kind of fall into the oh this guy's gonna be terrific because he's wearing

00:33:41.320 the right vestments right he's keeping his hands in the right positions which is that's just all

00:33:47.160 performative ben hornwell yeah i mean it couldn't really be more superficial than that well no the

00:33:53.560 war room nailed this they're proud to to to be in part of the coverage and the analysis on the

00:34:00.220 election of not hashtag not my pope the seventh um and you said and not just pierce morgan but

00:34:07.420 right across in a whole number of interviews it was going to be robert prevost um so he is now

00:34:15.220 as you say stepping up as into the vacuum because there isn't really credible democrat

00:34:22.680 opposition to president trump um he's stepping into that vacuum uh with all the moral authority

00:34:30.780 that he has as a superficial superficially at least as a religious man um and it's interesting

00:34:38.680 because you can see how he's growing into this role winning the press plaudits as he does that

00:34:45.200 We have, I think, a poll from the 60 Minutes interview.

00:34:49.820 Steve, if you want to just hear that, and then we can talk about that.

00:34:53.460 It's very important and consequential.

00:34:56.800 Yeah, let's play. Can we go and play that?

00:35:00.120 War is back in vogue.

00:35:02.060 He started in January with a speech criticizing U.S. military action in Venezuela.

00:35:08.440 After that, the Vatican's ambassador in the U.S. was called to the Pentagon for a meeting,

00:35:14.380 which two church officials described to 60 Minutes as unpleasant and contentious.

00:35:20.900 Since our visit, the pope's tone has sharpened.

00:35:24.240 This past week, he issued a rare condemnation of President Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization.

00:35:31.720 The pope called it, quote, truly unacceptable.

00:35:35.340 He also took the unusual step of issuing a call to action.

00:35:39.920 DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States": Contact the authorities, political leaders,

00:35:43.360 congressmen, to ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always.

00:35:50.000 JUDY WOODRUFF.: The Holy Father usually avoids calling out President Trump by name

00:35:55.200 or any member of his administration. But, in a Palm Sunday homily,

00:36:00.000 he appeared to reference the religious language Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,

00:36:05.200 who is christian but not catholic often uses to frame the war blessed be the lord my rock

00:36:12.800 who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle pope leo warned that jesus quote

00:36:18.640 does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war

00:36:25.360 ben harnwell observations the first thing i would say on this is to pick up something you just said

00:36:31.920 in your your opening question on this Robert Provost by birth is American born in Chicago

00:36:40.700 there's no doubt about that but I do push back when I hear people saying or at least I question

00:36:46.920 the the degree you can consider Pope Leo as being an American pope his formation is entirely in

00:36:55.380 Latin America Peru if I'm not if I if I don't remember incorrectly and just look at what he's

00:37:00.860 doing steve on the 4th of july when your nation celebrates its 250th anniversary of the declaration

00:37:07.800 of independence he's going to lampadusa which is the small island of the south um southwest

00:37:15.060 peninsula coast of the peninsula of italy which has been overrun it is here in italy it is it is

00:37:22.260 the emblem the totem of all that is wrong with the invasion and successive italian governments

00:37:28.740 their inability to deal with that pope francis went there um on his first visit as pope and now

00:37:35.900 pope leo's going there as well and that's where he's going on the 4th of july um i don't i repeat

00:37:41.740 i doubt i push back when people suggest he's the first first american pope because there's

00:37:47.320 literally nothing in anything that he ever thinks or said says that only american would ever say

00:37:52.700 nothing at all um and now he's pushing back uh on the administration descending into politics

00:37:59.800 and this brings us steve on to the trump social

00:38:03.060 post of president trump because this is now direct basically head of state

00:38:09.400 the hang hang and so the social you know president trump has come out against

00:38:15.020 a thing with president trump earlier today did pull down the uh the meme the the one with jesus

00:38:22.240 because I guess it got too controversial.

00:38:24.260 So let's focus on the one that he put up a true social

00:38:29.440 that he has not taken down.

00:38:31.100 In fact, I think he's doubled down with some other comments

00:38:33.520 about directly taking on the Pope.

00:38:37.620 What did it say, Ben Hornwell?

00:38:40.580 Yeah, the president calls the Pope weak,

00:38:45.500 says he has weak policies to crime via the immigration, 1.00

00:38:49.260 and he's absolutely correct on that. 1.00

00:38:50.760 I wouldn't really have had that much to say about that, by the way, but you mentioned it because it's dominating social media over the last 12 or so hours, the meme where it is attributed to President Trump that he's imitating himself to our Lord and Savior.

00:39:06.920 If you look at that meme, now you can say whether it was prudent or advised or not, there's literally no Christian iconography in that image whatsoever, none, nothing in that image that likens President Trump to anything recognizably to our Lord and Savior.

00:39:24.000 But I let that pass. I know I say that because what I found most distasteful, more than the meme itself, were so-called MAGA social influencers lining up to criticize President Trump over that issue, which I wouldn't have done, even though I say I wouldn't have put the poster image in the first place.

00:39:48.760 And he he he he did. He did. He did. He did. He did eventually take it down, took it down in the early, I guess, right afternoon today.

00:39:56.860 But let's go back to the confrontation between because people are so aghast.

00:40:01.320 But when when I was running Breitbart, remember, Francis came to, I think, right outside of El Paso, Texas, on the Mexican side and had a and had a mass there and had an event.

00:40:12.960 and the entire event was political it was all to shift to turn out democrat votes against

00:40:19.040 president trump at the time francis was one of the biggest uh one of the biggest voices

00:40:24.740 about uh you know mass migrant invasions and he went after president trump we even have the

00:40:32.040 modicum we got to build a wall we got to protect the sovereignty of our own country this is rolled

00:40:36.620 through to Prevost, because Prevost is—this is a guy that was identified by Francis very early on,

00:40:44.260 and you're 100% correct. He was born in Chicago, and he wears a Chicago White Sox ball cap.

00:40:50.120 Doesn't mean he's American. I mean, he's born in America, so he's a U.S. citizen. But his

00:40:55.360 formation took place in the most radical part of the Catholic Church at the time, which is this

00:41:00.820 liberation theology in Latin America, of which the Pope, although he did try to tone down when

00:41:06.960 he was down there some of the more radical elements of it, is very anti-American and

00:41:12.540 essentially anti-West. That's why Prevost was selected specifically for this. We called it

00:41:19.160 at the time before the conclave that this was going to happen. We talked about it all the time

00:41:24.160 because he's the perfect uh guy to go up against president trump eventually which we know he's

00:41:31.580 done and this is just the top of the first inning on this because the president's going to give as

00:41:35.760 good as he gets on this one ben well i hope so um yeah he was picked as you're saying to get the

00:41:42.800 money from i don't want to say gullible american donors but to get the money in from the gullible

00:41:48.400 american donors catholics um no it's true it's true that that was that was point one of on the

00:41:56.960 objective and that was facilitated again as you were saying in your introduction by the craven

00:42:03.200 prostration of trad inc saying yeah this is this is our guy look he wears the the mozetta

00:42:09.500 this is our guy look how he holds his hands this is clearly clearly the the second coming of pope

00:42:15.400 pious the 10th um and that's it so it's it's trad ink no trad ink um a little bit of vest

00:42:24.900 a vestment showing a little bit of ankle on the on the vestment score um getting the money in

00:42:32.860 from pious but perhaps not necessarily well-informed catholic benefactors and businessmen

00:42:39.220 because the catholic church the vatican is illiquid um thanks in part to pope francis's

00:42:47.440 repeated beatings on um american philanthropists they blocked the money um that was a bit that's

00:42:56.800 the big non-story that nobody ever talks about publicly um and then in that position he uses

00:43:02.940 that position as being the successor to saint peter and one would have hoped the primary

00:43:09.580 defensor of christendom of christian civilization of the kingdom of god not to promote any of those

00:43:17.560 things but to promote secular godless globalism um in the in opposition to those catholics

00:43:27.780 that still want to to be catholic um and ironically into that vacuum has stepped forward

00:43:36.400 president trump who is now the the the biggest defender of christendom even as someone i don't

00:43:43.520 think he ever claims to be a particularly strong believer or even a believer at all but he's

00:43:50.300 definitely um if it weren't for president trump in the white house right now you could see what the

00:43:56.200 the vatican um and the the un and the eu are capable of doing he's the only he's the only

00:44:03.160 he's the only figure for all his faults he's the only figure capable of stopping those those three

00:44:07.940 institutions and i think he's actually doing that your wednesday show and friday show become hits

00:44:14.780 in and of their own because of one your piercing intellect but also you get great guests and you

00:44:21.460 take on amazing topics i am going to if i can do it i want to hold the 60 minutes piece because i

00:44:27.040 want to make sure that the audience gets a full benefit of this uh and particularly the 60 minute

00:44:32.220 interview with with the cardinals who once again um because of the way the catholic church has been

00:44:39.720 run and managed and theology has come through the pews now with trad catholics you're starting to

00:44:45.840 see it fill back up, particularly with these younger generations. And it's been amazing

00:44:50.960 to absolutely see. And they're coming more to the traditional rendering of the faith and the

00:44:57.900 churches that are more conservative or Latin mass. Whereas the traditional, the corporate

00:45:03.880 Catholic church is so progressive and so open, you don't know if you're going to a Protestant

00:45:09.000 ceremony or just you're there for a hootenanny, right? And they're dropping, they have no vocations,

00:45:15.840 They have all these foreign priests. There's still the scourge of all this issue with the issue about pedophilia, right? And of course, the economic consequences of that, the church has had to, you say it's illiquid.

00:45:31.280 They've had to monetize so many of these magnificent assets they've had that were built on the shoulders of the little parishioners, you know, given, you know, five dollars a week or a dollar a week in their collection plate and being part of the church to help build it.

00:45:46.580 And now you have this progressive church. And I said about Cardinal Dolan when I was in the White House. I think I just loved the White House. They're all for open borders and they're for mass migration because if they didn't have the Hispanic community and the Hispanic community's faith is strong and it's really magnificent.

00:46:08.040 but they didn't have the illegal alien invasion here in the country, 0.82

00:46:13.400 they wouldn't have churches that were full.

00:46:15.600 It's part of their business model.

00:46:16.960 This is why Catholic charities, you know,

00:46:19.060 how many times in this show were we down the border with Ben Burquam and Oscar Blue Ramirez

00:46:26.140 talking about Catholic charities and Lutheran charities,

00:46:29.540 and I think it was a Jewish group or two down there that were part of these NGOs 0.63

00:46:34.140 that were actually an integral part of the invasion of assisting and exacerbating the

00:46:39.540 invasion of the country. And then we got these cardinals. So I want to do that tomorrow if we

00:46:43.380 can, if you're available for the six o'clock hour to, to, to actually go through and break down

00:46:49.080 because this is the institutional Catholic church. These are the people that actually have control

00:46:53.600 of, of the process. They have control of the institution. They have control of the money,

00:46:58.920 right. And, and the control of it. And this is what people are dealing with,

00:47:02.260 But I want to comment, if you can, for a couple of minutes before we go, the great disappointment you and I had because it was so obvious on the face of it.

00:47:12.180 And if you're fighting for your church, if you're fighting for your faith and you're fighting for your country, you can't just be suckered in that easy.

00:47:19.000 It was so obvious why Prevost was pretty.

00:47:21.940 This is why I brought him up in all these interviews beforehand.

00:47:23.980 It was obvious what they were looking for. An acolyte of Francis formed with the radical liberation theology of Latin America and these radical Jesuits, which was really this kind of Marxist interpretation of the Gospels, which was totally incorrect because Marxism at its core is atheistic.

00:47:42.940 That was infiltration to the church. And to put kind of a happy face on an American accent,

00:47:47.800 oh, he's got a Chicago White Sox ball cap. Isn't he great? To basically sucker in the big donors

00:47:55.940 of the Catholic Church, the American donors who want some blessing on their marriage or want some, 0.75

00:48:00.500 you know, to wear a big hat with a feather in it at these, to be a knight to Malta, whatever they do

00:48:06.120 in these organizations, right? So it was obvious. And yet Trad Inc., who should know better and has

00:48:12.620 and no better all fell in line it was i would sit there and go what am i missing here what are these

00:48:18.200 guys glazing prevost when he's going to be worse than francis because he is the manchurian candidate

00:48:25.360 we got a couple minutes ben i will toss the ball to you sir well firstly to go back thank you for

00:48:31.440 your kind words about our wednesday show it is very watchable folks um but it's not due to me

00:48:37.560 it is due to the quality of the guests and their insights of which I will I will name a special

00:48:45.280 honor in dispatches to Frank Walker from Canon 212 because basically it was Canon 212 and the

00:48:52.120 war room back in the day that were the only voices within traddom trying to say look that's not really

00:48:59.920 the trad ink narrative isn't the correct one here give us a listen because we have a we have some

00:49:05.520 things to say on this and i think within the fullness of time one year one we have absolutely

00:49:10.240 been found to be right on the money on that um and this is the mission of the show that we do

00:49:17.380 on wednesday steve and it comes back to this it's the thing that we say again and again and again

00:49:22.020 it's the reason why we do the show is because fundamentally we want to be the platform for the

00:49:28.180 catholic faithful in taking the running of their church out of the hands of these godless 0.61

00:49:34.880 marxist pro-invasion atheists that are running our beautiful church our beloved church into the 0.98

00:49:44.680 ground and we want to set the the the bark of peter back on a true course um that's why we do 0.77

00:49:52.300 this show we want to be the platform for doing that um you see a lot of people talking about

00:49:57.280 the laity having a greater voice in the winning of the church most of it is being pushed by the

00:50:02.880 liberals and liberal factions amongst the bishops because they want to use that veneer of uh of um

00:50:10.500 of the laity in order to undermine the catholic faith there is no voice outside of the war room

00:50:16.240 and that is arguing for a greater no the total running of the church in the hands of the faithful

00:50:22.960 um it goes against some of trad inks more medieval formations of um yes my lord um to

00:50:32.460 the bishop kiss the hand and whatever you say my lord that's the reason why the church has been

00:50:37.480 running to the ground you saw in the the clip on cbs i'll hand back on this point because i know time

00:50:42.480 is coming to the end of the show but you saw the cbs clip on on the 60 minutes of exactly this

00:50:50.960 this this issue in the catholic church of how the bishops are there trying to talk about the best

00:50:57.700 way forward the best way forward is with with us the believing laity the believing faithful

00:51:03.700 it's it's these people who run the church into the ground steve

00:51:06.760 ben harnwell where do people go to get your bdi analysis on all things and this make sure that

00:51:14.780 part of your wednesday and friday show wednesday you take on christianity and catholicism what's

00:51:21.320 going on there as it informs politics throughout the world and the church and then on friday you

00:51:27.360 have this amazing international show where do people go ben well my serpentine unblinking

00:51:35.320 cynical beady eyes you can find the fruit of that analysis on my get to feed at harnwell it's the

00:51:43.540 only social media platform that i'm particularly present on uh at harnwell it's my surname steve

00:51:49.720 get to at harnwell and i have all my gratuitous provocations waiting for your perusal at the top

00:51:56.500 of the feed thanks steve god bless catch you tomorrow thank you so much sir we're gonna be

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Battleground EP 987： Updates From South Carolina To Take Down Lindsey Graham; Manifestation Of Globalism In The EU

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