Alex Jones is one of the most well-known and reviled men on the planet. He is the author of The Great Reset and the War for the World, a new book that takes a deep dive into the mind of the technocratic global elite, and explains how they plan to take over the world.
00:29:17.900Now I want to bring in Alex Sawyer, a brilliant filmmaker.
00:29:21.740You know, it's very rare in life, Brother Jones, you have a huge trial that draws global attention.
00:29:27.100You have a huge book that's going to come out really in the next couple of weeks that really summarizes your thinking over your lifetime as a provocateur and as a cutting-edge thinker.
00:29:39.060And then to have a blockbuster film on top of it, I want everybody to make sure we go.
00:29:42.920We're going to put up all the sites that you can get this film.
00:30:15.080Well, it seems like kind of a no-brainer to me with everything that's going on in the world.
00:30:19.100And, of course, Alex manages to make headlines just about every week in all of the mainstream publications.
00:30:25.760And there seems to be an unspoken rule about who's allowed to talk about Alex Jones and what they're allowed to say about Alex Jones.
00:30:33.480And I just thought maybe it was about time that somebody put Alex within his context and also start talking about the story arc of Alex Jones and how we got to this place.
00:30:44.340And, you know, he's sort of a mascot for a lot of the things that we see sort of culminating right now in the culture wars in America.
00:31:08.420And a serious filmmaker like you comes along and all you do is give your being and your purpose and your platform to take, you know, what they would say is a charlatan, which they say is not just a charlatan, but a bad guy in a charlatan.
00:31:21.200And you actually now take him up because this is a very serious movie.
00:31:27.620What do you say about the blue check Twitter that says that about you as a filmmaker?
00:31:33.460I don't think about those people at all.
00:31:35.980I don't see those people as being on the vanguard of anything interesting that's happening culturally.
00:31:41.100If anything, I think that, you know, the institutions of Hollywood and the media or have become, you know, stagnant at best and sort of, you know, rotten at worst.
00:31:52.960So I'm interested more in making the kind of films that inspired me to start making films in the first place, films from the 70s, observational cinema, films about complicated topics and larger than life stories.
00:32:06.220And I don't need permission from Hollywood or corporations to make that kind of work.
00:32:14.020I've been making my own work for years and years.
00:32:16.660And I'm grateful that people are taking attention and that this film is doing well.
00:32:22.980But I care more about just having purpose in my life and telling important stories.
00:32:34.520With what you have going on in the world economically, geopolitically, culturally here in the United States every day, some mainstream, you know, the Atlantic magazine or those New York Times Sunday magazines talk about we're heading to civil war because you have all these xenophobic, nativist, white Christian nationalists that are driving the country to the ruin.
00:32:53.120And what is the importance of what is the importance of this film now?
00:32:56.000And as a filmmaker, what did you learn in the making of it?
00:33:01.620I think that's an important observation.
00:33:05.820The truth is that a lot of America and some may argue a majority of Americans have been sort of demonized in the media.
00:33:14.920And the people on the left right now are sort of using fear as the main driving force for their platform.
00:33:23.620And they're telling you that people all over middle America are, you know, white supremacists or xenophobic or, you know, there's a lot of people that are being mischaracterized.
00:33:35.960And I didn't go into making this film thinking that I was going to unearth anything, you know, anything really revelatory about that.
00:33:44.580But that's what ended up happening is that the movie really isn't just about Alex.
00:33:49.340It's oh, it really does shine a light on the populist movement in America.
00:33:53.900And you don't have to necessarily consider yourself to be a populist or even agree with populism.
00:34:01.120But you can see plainly that it has been mischaracterized, especially in terms of of demographics.
00:34:09.380So that's one thing that I'm really proud of that this movie puts on display.
00:34:14.060When you when you watch the film and particularly given the intensity of it, and I recommend strongly everybody see this film to both supporters of Alex Jones and the populist nationalist right.
00:34:25.580But more importantly, your friends and colleagues that are centrist or really low information voters, it's quite revelatory.
00:34:32.280One of the things do you believe that I don't want to say sympathetic, but in coming through this at the end, you think the movie is empathetic about because I see when I see it.
00:34:42.620You see a guy, it's a fighter that's never going to back down.
00:34:45.220It's got a lot of flaws, like everybody in the world.
00:34:48.160Right. And some of these flaws are highlighted, given the sense that he's a world historical figure.
00:34:54.080But do you think the film did you set out to make an empathetic film?
00:34:57.280Because at the end, and this is why I think blue check Twitter hates it, is that you didn't go out to absolutely destroy him and just show everything negative.
00:35:06.640You showed the whole you showed all of it.
00:35:08.400And in showing all of it, you kind of have some empathy for Alex Jones and his cause and his mission at the end of it.
00:35:17.660Well, I didn't know Alex personally going into the film.
00:35:21.820I knew enough about him to be interested in him for a long time and want to make a film about him just because I think he's a really charismatic, iconoclastic person.
00:35:31.360And, you know, I've always been fascinated by those kinds of Americans.
00:35:36.060I don't believe in demonizing my subjects.
00:35:41.520And I don't think it would take a genius to realize that Alex, if you just spend any time actually observing him in an honest way, that he's he's not a mean spirited person.
00:35:53.680He is actually a kind of passionate and open hearted person.
00:35:57.640And so I always knew that that would shine through.
00:36:00.240But I didn't really have any particular agenda when I set out to make the film.
00:36:06.460I just I just made the film that I got.
00:36:12.480And I do think that there is a redemption arc to the story.
00:36:17.400But I think that there is a redemption arc possible in everybody's life, no matter what character it is.
00:36:24.200But I I definitely didn't set out to there.
00:36:29.040There was never a moment where I wanted to make another, you know, CNN take or an HBO take on Alex Jones.
00:36:35.460You know, you can go and watch that kind of thing about him anywhere.
00:36:39.680I did want to make something that was a more dimensional, nuanced character study.
00:36:44.680And I still think that even for people that don't like him or disagree with him, that they can go and see the film and they can come away with their biases intact if they so choose.
00:36:56.440But but yeah, I just wanted to show him for what he's really like.
00:37:05.940This is very much along the lines of Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey.
00:37:09.540Talk to us about what is the redemption arc of Alex Jones in your film?
00:37:14.680Well, the film also sort of takes on a life of its own, right?
00:37:23.700So it's there is there is some artistic license.
00:37:27.520And I just feel that no matter what any perception is of of what Alex has done or what he said or that he ultimately is somebody who is fighting for good in his life and that everybody deserves to recover from their missteps.
00:37:54.580You did you you came to that conclusion in the making of the film or did you go in with that as a precept?
00:38:01.540Did you go in as a filmmaker open minded and you came to that conclusion after studying him, being with him and studying his work?
00:38:07.920Well, as a documentary filmmaker, I and since I don't work for a big studio and since I kind of call all the all my own shots on my films, I don't go in with preconceived notions about what my film is going to be like.
00:38:23.400And I don't even necessarily I and since I edit my own films, I go in, I shoot what I shoot and I let the story sort of reveal itself.
00:38:32.200And this was the story that revealed itself to me.
00:38:35.200But no, I didn't have any preconceived notions about how I was going to put a bow on it at the end.
00:38:42.020This is just what I felt was the spiritual direction that the film needed to take at the end.
00:39:01.840Hello, I'm Alex Jones, and I'm a radio and television host based in Austin, Texas.
00:39:08.860And for many years, I've been exposing the criminal activities of the global elite, also known as the New World Order.
00:39:15.700My research has covered such topics as the militarization of police, the attack on America's national sovereignty, the destruction of private property rights, the family.
00:39:27.460All of these institutions must be destroyed before the establishment can create their ultimate dream, a one-world government, absolutely ruled by despotic criminals, hell-bent on micromanaging our lives.
00:39:44.260The story you're about to see is true.
00:39:47.240All of it is verifiable and documented, from the news articles to the actual, first-time-to-be-ever-seen video from inside.
00:39:56.360So I don't want you to just chuck it off as wild conspiracy theories.
00:40:10.900Alex, sorry, we're going to go to break.
00:40:12.680We'd ask you to stay with us through the break with Alex Jones.
00:40:15.680Real quickly, how long from start to finish did it take you to make this film?
00:40:18.660It took about a year and a half, and then about six months of sort of preparation and maybe trying to convince Alex that he should be a part of the film.
00:41:32.060Look, in a year of big books, you had the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book on Fauci, over a million sales.
00:41:38.200You had Dr. Naomi Wolf with her book, The Body of Others, Peter Navarro in Trump time, and my favorite, Lords of Easy Money by Christopher Lennon about the Federal Reserve.
00:41:47.680Really, the biggest book of the year is about to hit.
00:41:50.720It's the Great Reset and the War for the World.
00:41:52.440It really encapsulates 20 or 30 years of research, but a piercing intellect.
00:41:58.820You know, Alex, I want to get to the trials in a second, but on the book, when we did the first interview with you, the thing that the left and the mainstream media melted down most about, and I think you were on for 40 or 45 minutes, was when I said,
00:42:11.860hey, you've got to go back to the revolutionary generation, and what I said is that they're very unique because it's kind of been bifurcated since then.
00:42:19.940The revolutionary generation really had a group of thinkers who were also men of action, right?
00:42:26.160Whether it was the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or actually fighting the Revolutionary War, and I said, this is what Alex Jones did.
00:42:32.180Alex Jones is really a man of action, but he also happens to have a piercing intellect.
00:43:19.660And people are taught, well, only caring about yourself will get you ahead.
00:43:24.380But when people don't stand up for each other, then it's very easy to pick us off one by one.
00:43:30.740And so as this multinational group of anti-free market monopoly capitalists consolidate control, they're able to do it because they've been atomizing us and dividing us and conquering us and basically have allowed us to give up the social contract of what made America so great.
00:43:48.280And if you go back to the founding fathers, they didn't just have great intellects, they weren't just incredible scholars, they didn't just have courage, they were in another great turning.
00:43:56.820They happened to live in the flowering of 300 years of the Renaissance at a time that they were in a nation that was ready to be born.
00:44:06.560And all of the elements were there for this nation to spring forth.
00:44:12.860And I think we're at that crossroads again if people realize there is a war for the future, there is a war for the world, and the globalists call it the end of history where they will have total control over society and submit their authoritarian, high-tech transhumanism.
00:44:28.200And so the way transhumanism gets control of us is it trains us to be negligent over our responsibilities, to be lazy and not care about others, not care about the unborn, not care about old people, and to go along with Bill Gates saying, hey, if we kill an old lady and don't give her medical care, we can hire 10 teachers.
00:44:45.180That idea of a cannibalistic society versus a renaissance society is what I was trying to get at in the book and different mindsets of the future.
00:44:55.840Do we go back to the pagan system where the young sacrificed for the old, or do we go back to what came after that, the Christian and Judaic Christian system where the old sacrificed for the young instead of the young sacrificing for the old?
00:45:13.240And it really just comes back to this neo-paganism that is globalism.
00:45:18.300Let me, I want to read one of the definitions from the book that I find striking.
00:45:21.560This from the book, a globalist, that's your definition.
00:45:23.480A globalist is a member of the global corporate combine that is attempting to establish an authoritarian world government whose eventual aim of the world government is to be able to carry out a transhumanist revolution that results in the death of the vast majority of the world population.
00:45:40.000And out of that cataclysm, a new super race.
00:45:44.540So when people sit there and go, hey, this guy is kind of a wild man, throws his things out.
00:45:48.880Walk me through your data sets and your evidence that backs up what a globalist is.
00:45:54.600Well, the reason I call him globalist is when I was reading into this in the 90s, when I was right out of high school, starting to take some local college courses, I was reading some of the Brzezinski's books.
00:46:07.780And then I was reading some of the more modern books that were quoting the UN saying we're creating a globalist system, not a global system, not a man of the world, citizen of the world where you can travel anywhere and do anything.
00:46:18.680I think that's all great when nations individually create those networks independently through grassroots action, not through a centralized controlled system.
00:46:26.560And so a globalist is someone that believes in transhumanism, that believes in depopulation, that believes that the majority of the public are worthless, and they want to use their corporate power to basically get control of humanity and get control of the medical system and the educational system and the banking system to bring in a social credit score to be able to social engineer at a level never foreseen.
00:46:54.240And my film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement, is still free online.
00:47:01.000It had 80-something million views on Google Video the first year it came out until they got rid of Google Video.
00:47:06.760It had another 20 million views on a YouTube channel until they took that down.
00:47:10.120But you can still find it on YouTube, but they do suppress it.
00:47:13.840Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
00:47:15.240And if you watch that two-and-a-half-hour film, it's much like the first few chapters of the book.
00:47:21.600It shows quotes, it shows clips, it shows who they are.
00:47:25.120And so to understand who a globalist is, and I've got a few minutes, it goes back to Plato, as I said last week on the show or two weeks ago, who said, there are too many people, we need to depopulate.
00:47:35.980So that idea kind of gets created by Plato.
00:47:38.240And then it gets passed on to Sir Francis Galton and people like Malthus in England, who thought there were too many people and thought that they should get rid of the poor.
00:47:48.700And so the British royal family and some of the big money powers began to finance social systems, social sciences to learn how to get control of the population.
00:48:03.600They developed the theory of psychology.
00:48:05.060And they then developed, again, the modern theory of eugenics.
00:48:11.580And Cecil Rhodes, who ran the British Empire, wrote books about this, and so did one of their big thinkers, H.G. Wells, who wrote the book The New World Order, which was nonfiction, describing a scientific dictatorship of the future that would control breeding, that would control the caste you were in, that would control whether you lived or not.
00:48:31.480And they would quote the Spartans, who, if a baby was deformed, would throw it off a cliff.
00:48:36.060And they said, we're going to take that to the next level.
00:48:38.440And so out of that root system and that trunk of British-funded eugenics, you get the American eugenics movement, you get the European eugenics movement, the Japanese, the Mexican movement, a lot of movements.
00:48:51.620It was the dominant force by the mid-30s.
00:48:53.800Hitler and the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, funded by the Coal Springs Harbor Rockefeller Foundation, this is all on record, and IBM and the Holocaust, I think it's a Pulitzer Prize winning book last time I checked, that exposed how Hitler was like as the branch of this group.
00:49:09.220But he only targeted certain groups, whereas the eugenicists were going to target what they saw as the subhuman in every group.
00:49:16.200And then after World War II, Hitler gives eugenics a bad name.
00:49:20.700So Julian Huxley, the brother of Aldous Huxley, who headed up the United Nations UNESCO program, who'd been the head of the World Eugenics Society, said in the late 40s, in papers that are public, we're going to change our name from the World Population Control Group and Eugenics Group to the Transhumanist Group.
00:49:38.820And so that's why if you read Brave New World, written in 32, that's fiction, it looks like what's happening now because Julian Huxley and Aldous Huxley came out of the school of Francis Galton, were actually directly related to him in a public elite breeding program that started in the 1850s between the Huxleys, the Wedgwoods, the Galtons, the Blairs, and some of the others.
00:50:05.660And George Arwell, Eric Blair, was actually related to these guys as well.
00:50:10.660So they had at least four generations of inbreeding to try to create the Superman or the Ubermension that Hitler was obsessed with.
00:50:17.920And in most cases, it created insane people and folks with very serious deformities and mental retardation.
00:50:24.800But in a few cases, it did create 200 IQ supergeniuses.
00:50:28.020And so that's the group then that they developed with a secret breeding program that was later made public that created much of the modern world.
00:50:49.360And so this is a scientific mad scientist group that has sustained for the public that works in 50, 100-year plans who are in a war for the future, a war for the world, who are stealing the future and stealing our destinies.
00:51:01.720If we don't wake up to the fact that they've already run away with the ball with the horrible nightmare depopulation system where they are bad scientists, dictators ruling over us as if we're just guinea pigs.
00:51:16.020You keep talking about the Great Awakening.
00:51:17.820And you've also said people are in a trance almost like asleep.
00:51:21.740How has the general population, how have they got them in a trance-like state where they focus on frivolity and really the bread and circuses, but not actually the reality of their own lives?
00:51:36.400Well, I hope we can talk about it more for the break because this is the key.
00:51:38.540If you look at major studies, and I know you read a lot, you'll know this, but the listeners should look into it, most people now are two or three times more susceptible to being suggestible than people were, say, in 1960.
00:51:51.980And so the average person is very susceptible.
00:51:54.680They can't differentiate subconsciously between fiction and nonfiction.
00:51:58.540And because there's so many wild events in fiction, their brain sees horrific stuff as nonthreatening because they've seen so many actions of violence and so much propaganda and sex and porn that then they can't differentiate that from the real world.
00:52:12.980So when a real threat comes, they can't recognize it because their mind has basically been desensitized.
00:52:18.620But also brainwaves, especially in the Western world, the more screen time, the more TV time, the more non-interactive screen time, the screen time as interactive as shown is actually good.
00:52:28.040But one way suspended disbelief, television and media consumption puts you into an almost dreamlike brainwave where you're daydreaming and extremely hypnotizable.
00:52:40.680Hang on one second, short commercial break, return with Alex Jones about the book, The Great Reset.
00:52:46.540We're also going to bring in the filmmaker of the blockbuster documentary, Alex's War.
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