Bannon is on trial, and it's a rollercoaster ride of a day. Steve and his lawyer, Viva Frye, joins us to talk about the trial and what's going on around the world and at home.
00:01:44.780You can see behind me, this is the Tampa Convention Center.
00:01:48.180We are just now starting Turning Point, the SAS, the Student Action Summit.
00:01:53.880We are getting, and right now, this morning, you can see behind me, and you'll probably see throughout the show as we go on, we'll be bringing in some people from Turning Point, from the event.
00:02:01.480This really is becoming the center of the conservative universe this weekend.
00:02:06.260So tomorrow, we have Governor Ron DeSantis, the great governor of this freedom state.
00:02:11.940Then Saturday, of course, right here in this very building, just through those doors, right up those steps behind me, President Donald J. Trump will be addressing the audience of thousands that are getting here.
00:02:23.360But as you can see, I also want to say a huge thank you out to Rumble.
00:02:26.860We are using their Rumble studio space right now to be able to do War Room, to be able to get it here.
00:02:32.360They set it up at the last minute for us.
00:02:55.800Nancy Pelosi talking about making a trip to Taiwan, Biden, the military trying to stop her from doing that, from standing with Taiwan at a time like this where we know what's coming down.
00:03:10.720The people of Taiwan, the people know that the CCP is bearing down them.
00:03:26.860They said he's talking about something else, right?
00:03:29.320You have a show, President, while Steve Bannon is on show trial.
00:03:34.700And that's why I want to bring in the great now, Viva Frye, the lawyer who's been doing an excellent daily recap podcast, shooting to the top of the charts on Apple, talking every day about what's going on in the trial.
00:03:48.760So yesterday we saw the prosecution arrested, but there were a lot of legal bombshells that were going on, the back and the forth.
00:04:02.960I'm just I'm just trying to back up without pulling my computer down to the ground.
00:04:06.440The recap for the post-millennial put out an episode last night.
00:04:10.660Prosecution rested its case after two.
00:04:13.560I won't say stellar or qualify their testimony after two witnesses, general counsel for the committee and the FBI investigator, Stephen Hart.
00:04:22.580And I mean, look, they proved essentially what they need to prove in order to have a chance to succeed or in order to succeed on this claim.
00:04:35.080There was some back and forth among the committee and Bannon's counsel.
00:04:38.480Bannon refused to comply, took to social media, made some public posts from his verified getter account indicating that he was not complying.
00:04:47.580They referred the matter to the investigator.
00:04:49.560If you can imagine, there's nothing more serious to investigate at this point in time in American history and politics than Stephen Bannon's contempt of Congress.
00:04:58.080FBI investigator Stephen Hart checks out some social media posts, is satisfied that the elements are there for an indictment.
00:05:05.700And then they submit it for indictment to a grand jury.
00:06:08.320The question of fact is whether or not Bannon, as a matter of fact, thought that he had executive privilege and thus he was not defying the congressional subpoena.
00:06:18.280So there's a question of law, which is for the judge, and then there's a question of fact, which goes to Steve Bannon's mens rea intent.
00:06:24.660The issue about this this correspondence, among others, oddly enough, it was the prosecution that opened this door for this correspondence.
00:06:32.360And in particular, this letter, because they it was the day before yesterday, we're saying that we want to admit correspondence between the committee and Bannon's attorneys, which referred to executive privilege, which the judge last week said Bannon can't raise as a defense, nor can he raise the legitimacy of the committee.
00:06:48.880So they opened the door for this. I don't know why. But on the one hand, I could look at this letter and say both sides are going to spin it the way they want.
00:06:56.520And if I'm prosecution, I don't mind this letter coming in because, you know, darn well, that this letter drafted by Trump in a way that would incense his adversaries and please his his his allies or his followers or his supporters.
00:07:09.260This letter says, yeah, I'm waiving the executive privilege and Bannon can testify in the same letter.
00:07:16.120It refers to the committee as the unselect committee, basically a political witch hunt, a travesty of a committee.
00:07:21.860And, you know, that for a jury, which probably is going to be ninety five, if not one hundred percent Democrat Hillary Clinton supporters, that's going to incense them.
00:07:31.060And it's going to incense them in a way that if I'm prosecution, I would raise that argument.
00:07:34.900Look at this. Even in waiving the executive privilege, he's still defiant to the end, thumbing his nose at the committee.
00:07:42.220But the implications, Bannon can now argue as a matter of fact that he thought he benefited from executive privilege, which goes to the mens rea of the criminal intent here.
00:07:53.300You've got actus reis having committed the act, mens rea having intended to commit the act.
00:07:58.040And so he could raise this argument now, at least in pleadings.
00:08:00.080It might confuse things. But I think this letter, in as much as it's fun to read and it's really, you know, awesome the way Trump finds ways to dig and jab it at people who don't like him.
00:08:10.680It's a double edged sword. It will be spun as more defiance, more thumbing your nose at the authority of the committee.
00:08:21.720What's what's the timeline here? What's the time frame?
00:08:23.760When can we expect this to be, you know, come to a conclusion?
00:08:27.860What's the longest it's going to go on?
00:08:30.080Well, I mean, so the prosecution has rested its case. They presented their two witnesses.
00:08:34.640They think they've presented all the evidence they need for a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:08:38.620And now it's going to be the defense. I don't know who Bannon had lined up for witnesses.
00:08:44.020I don't know if Bannon intends on testifying. There are some mixed rumors that Bannon wants to and will testify.
00:08:49.860We don't know. But now it's the defense's turn. Holy cows.
00:08:52.660It's the defense's turn. And we'll see how long they go.
00:08:56.480I can't imagine them going for much longer than the prosecution itself, but they can call a few witnesses and this can go on a few more days.
00:09:02.080But with any luck, I think it should end by the end of the week.
00:09:05.120And then the question is going to be, is it a fait accompli for a conviction or is there a chance that the jury might say, yeah, look, there's a letter saying that he waived executive privilege, which presumes that he had it in the first place.
00:09:18.180It'll be interesting to follow, but should be done by the end of the week, in my mind.
00:09:25.760And so now the content, the fact that they're the fact that they are going to the jury.
00:09:31.860Right. And and presumably, as you state, this may be a jury that it's a D.C. jury.
00:09:36.700So they're probably not going to be a bunch of Trump supporters sitting on this thing.
00:09:39.260Now, it might rub them the wrong way because and I sat there during jury selection and you saw people.
00:09:44.840And again, we heard this this witness yesterday, the first witness who was the chief counsel for the J6.
00:09:50.560She is the chief counsel for the J6 committee.
00:09:52.780And her and her staff are giving me the evil eye as they walked out of the courthouse and spotted me there talking to some few folks that were there.
00:09:59.020They she would kept referring to this as a domestic terrorist attack, domestic terrorist attack that led to multiple deaths over and over.
00:10:08.200And through the course of that jury selection, we saw that essentially the jury mostly agrees with her assertion of that.
00:10:16.440And so when you've got a guy like Stephen K. Bannon there in front of a jury like this, when you've got a guy like Donald Trump who's coming up into a situation like this and they know.
00:10:25.160Right. They know that these jurors are their people.
00:10:28.660Does it actually run the risk of them saying, look, this guy's on the side of Trump and we're going to convict him because we don't like him.
00:10:34.920And that really digs back to the question of political bias.
00:10:39.060And that's what the defense was getting into.
00:10:41.660Jack, I mean, it's an interesting point.
00:10:44.480The the distinction between defiance and resistance is perspective.
00:10:49.200Trump's side is going to see this as resistance and the jury probably will see this as more defiance.
00:10:54.440I mean, I don't know if the jury is seeing Bannon take to the podium before every day of trial and speaking to the world, using this trial as a pretext to speak to the world.
00:11:04.300I suspect anybody who is not a supporter of Trump or who loathes Trump will see this not as resistance, but as defiance, justifying a sanction.
00:11:14.260We'll see. But it might have been a done deal from the beginning.
00:11:19.240But yeah, and I could see a jury getting incensed by this.
00:11:22.560You have Donald Trump referring to this committee as unselect sham kangaroo court travesty of justice, where some of these jury members are, in fact, and probably still do see this as an insurrection, an act of domestic terrorism, a term that was thrown around the House Resolution 503 more times than you can count.
00:11:41.000And they believe it. And so they're going to believe that it was an act of domestic terrorism.
00:11:45.200And here you have Steve Bannon, the ringleader, saying all hell is going to break loose, flouting the authority of the committee and making a mockery of this trial and Donald Trump aiding and abetting through this letter.
00:11:56.700But who knows? I think both Trump and Bannon at this point are using this trial to speak to the world and not necessarily to the jury.
00:12:10.340Oh, two, two, two, two counts of contempt of Congress for failing to appear and for failing to produce documents of someone who was not even there the day of is an extremely popular social media personality, has a huge platform.
00:12:26.020This was not about any aiding and abetting or having anything to do with the events of January 6th.
00:12:30.340It's about making an example of proud spokespeople for ideological adversaries.
00:12:36.460Well, Vin Viva, there was a point you made and I listened to it this morning, your recap.
00:12:41.020There was a point you made. We're seeing Steve Bannon on trial.
00:12:43.920They're bringing up Jan 6th. They're trying to get there, obviously, and it's clear that the witness was aiding them in this.
00:12:50.220They're trying to make this a case about January 6th and trying to say that Bannon is complicit in that.
00:12:55.580She keeps bringing up this phrase, all hell is going to break loose, all hell is going to break loose.
00:12:58.660By the way, I was sitting next to Steve Bannon when he said that.
00:13:01.580He was talking about the debate that was supposed to take place in the well of the Senate.
00:13:06.400But to your point, Viva, that you made on the recap, there is somebody that we know organized and incited a riot to storm the Capitol, and his name is Ray Epps.
00:13:17.260Interestingly enough, he's not on trial and he has not been referred for prosecution at all, as far as we know.
00:13:22.560It is patently absurd, and you know that it's bad when the New York Times comes out and runs a propaganda puff piece portraying Ray Epps not as a perpetrator of this act of domestic terrorism,
00:13:36.260but as a victim of right-wing conspiracy theories that somehow he's just an innocent victim in all of this, and now he's being thrown under the bus by the right, as opposed to prosecuted to the moon by a weaponized DOJ.
00:13:49.880Ray Epps, on camera the day before, saying, storm the Capitol, go in the Capitol, on the Capitol the day of, by his own admission, going past barricades, being present on restricted grounds, and leaves once the violence occurs.
00:14:06.180By his own admission, texted his nephew, basically explaining, if not boasting, about his role in orchestrating all of this.
00:14:19.040So, to suggest that they're going after the actual meaningful players in this, at this point, would be laughable.
00:14:26.300And it becomes somewhat undeniable that they're going after the political players in this, and players as in people who have a platform, people who have been vocal opponents, and are now feeling the wrath.
00:14:37.520Viva, Viva, we're going to carry this into the break.
00:15:01.540When your nation's supposed authority on economic policy completely misses the flashing red lights of impending inflation.
00:15:09.440Now, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has finally admitted, quote, there's been an unanticipated and large shocks to the economy that have boosted energy and food prices and supply bottlenecks that affected our economy badly that I didn't, at the time, fully understand.
00:17:44.640So, you can find – I've been doing daily streams on my YouTube and Rumble channel, Viva Fry.
00:17:48.860You can find me on Twitter, The Viva Fry.
00:17:50.800And the Post Millennial, I've been doing daily exclusive summary analysis updates.
00:17:55.380At the end of the day, you can find that on the Post Millennial, and I've been tweeting out the links to that left, right, and center on Twitter.
00:19:58.200They're saying, oh, the government fell because one of the coalition partners was unhappy to do with an incinerating, an incinerator dump just outside Rome.
00:20:10.420The reason this government would still be in place until the end of the legislature, Mario Draghi would still be prime minister until the end of the legislature.
00:20:19.580But for one thing, there is massive social dissatisfaction in Italy right now due to the high cost of living and high fuel, inflation.
00:20:30.560And all of this can be traced back to the insane policy of our sociopathic overlords with regard to Ukraine.
00:20:38.780And specifically, Italy, let's say Mario Draghi, was in the forefront of the pro-Zelensky brigade.
00:20:47.260This is more than Olaf Scholz in Germany, more than Emmanuel Macron in France.
00:20:54.040The question is now, with Mario Draghi out of the picture, who is going to be leading the pro-Zelensky faction within the EU?
00:21:02.580Well, Ben, my question, of course, is that we're seeing the fall of this government in Italy.
00:21:11.540We're seeing the Vespas riding behind you as I've got the students walking around behind me here at Turning Point at SAS.
00:21:19.920I'm down here in Tampa, Florida, the center of the conservative movement.
00:21:22.900But we're seeing the collapse, the crush of these governments.
00:21:31.520They're talking about potentially having to chop wood for the winter.
00:21:36.100Is there anyone in Italy, is there anyone in Western Europe that has an actual plan forward when it comes to energy?
00:21:44.860Because if you continue to do this, if you continue the financialization of markets, as Steve said at the beginning of the show, we played that clip of him,
00:21:51.620then you are always going to lead to populist uprisings, and you're always going to lead to leaders, by the way, like Donald Trump, rising up to fight back against these corrupt elites.
00:22:03.500Is there anyone in Italy with any semblance of what they used to call common sense?
00:22:11.460Though I have to say, the strategy that the most political parties seem to be adopting right now is the blame Putin strategy.
00:22:21.780So the high prices, the high food prices, the high fuel prices blame Putin.
00:22:26.880And that has carried all of the 27 member states, and perhaps even to some extent, the failing Biden administration along as well.
00:22:35.020But the more these prices bite, the more people feel impoverished, the less they're going to be satisfied with what are effectively easily disprovable lies.
00:22:47.660Don't forget, Jack, one government has already fallen because of the New World Order agenda, and that is the government of Sri Lanka.
00:22:55.700Now, there are several other governments shuffling on immediately behind Italy.
00:22:59.160Italy's not going to be the last government now that's going to fall.
00:23:02.460Already last week, we had the Latvian Prime Minister tendering her resignation, seeking a fresh mandate from the president of the Latvian Republic.
00:23:15.920There are other countries that are stacking up now.
00:23:18.840It's like at the airport, when the airplanes are all circling around and ready to land.
00:23:24.360Behind Italy, there are a number of other countries.
00:23:26.560And time, all that is required is for time to flow, and other countries will start to collapse as well.
00:23:34.560Jack, if I could just say one thing, however.
00:23:36.980Now, I've not seen this reported in any mainstream media.
00:23:42.280So, I'm going to go ahead and say this.
00:23:45.280I haven't had a chance to double verify it, but I'm going to go out on a limb.
00:23:49.380There are reports that this morning, the moment Draghi tendered his resignation, Vladimir Putin augmented the gas supply from Russia to Italy by 70%.
00:24:04.980That is, by 21 to 36 million cubic meters a day.
00:24:15.720You know, I had to get out of here pretty quickly, but I hope to confirm that later on today.
00:24:20.020But what this means, Jack, is that Vladimir Putin has the economic viability of the EU member states in his hands.
00:24:29.300He can pull them as if he had them directly.
00:24:34.740Now, the two countries that will affect the most is Italy, but before Italy, Germany, which are the two EU countries most dependent on Russian gas that are pushing hostile policies towards the Kremlin right now.
00:24:49.260There are other EU countries that are just as dependent on Russian gas, but they're attacking a more prudent line.
00:24:55.440So, it seems to me to be clear that Mario Draghi, who he's single, he went out of his way to push a hard line, a hard anti-Moscow line.
00:25:06.640He went out of his way publicly to say to his EU member state colleagues that he wants to get a price roof imposed on Russian fuel, right?
00:25:18.840So, they used to say that the EU would fix a price and Russia would either sell at that artificially low price to Europe or it wouldn't sell at all.
00:25:29.380And Mario Draghi was the ringleader of that.
00:25:31.400So, he went out of his way to antagonize Vladimir Putin.
00:25:36.560The economy was suffering because of the Russian gas withdrawal and that just floated back up to normal today.
00:25:43.660So, there's a clear cause and effect consequence here.
00:25:48.540First order, second order, third order, fourth order consequences.
00:25:52.020This government would still be secure.
00:25:54.460I repeat, Mario Draghi would still be secure if it weren't for the bizarre policy that was not furthering Italy's national interest with regards to Ukraine.
00:26:07.980No, Ben, and as they always say, we've got a couple of minutes left here in the segment, but as they always say, the enemy always gets a vote because we're already seeing now, and as I mentioned to you yesterday, Lavrov came out and saying that they are changing the parameters of the special military operation.
00:26:23.640And they are now looking at territories beyond Donbass, beyond Donetsk, Lugansk provinces, those oblasts, that they are now, and essentially, I believe, I think everybody knows, that they are saying this in response to the long-range weapons, the long-range rocket system that's been sent over by the West.
00:26:41.820And they are now essentially, right, I think everyone knows that where they're talking about, Nikolaev, Odessa, the entire southern coast, Novorossia is something they refer to it as, looking at a landlocking of Ukraine.
00:26:55.420Is there a reason, and as we close this out, why, and we might be able to hold you over to the next break, well, ask Terry about that, but is there an ability to understand that both sides have a say here?
00:27:11.820It really depends on how informed and how activist the electorate, I think at this stage, Jack, the electorate wants to be and how much it wants to make its voice felt.
00:27:24.680If people want to be passive and allow the government to steer whatever course it wants to steer with explicit disregard to its own people, if they just want to follow what the mainstream media turns out, but of course, then these governments will be able to do that.
00:27:39.560And there's no need for two sides to get together and talk.
00:27:44.520What is happening now, however, is that people, you know, when they feel the consequences of incompetence in their own pocket, when they don't have any money.
00:27:53.020Ben, we're going to carry this over into the break.
00:30:58.200There are a number of imposter accounts.
00:31:00.040Folks should go to the one which is red and white V for verified.
00:31:05.380And I'll be updating my feed later on today.
00:31:07.500The big developments here that we're waiting for outside the Quirinale is that right now, in fact, at 4.30, Elisabetta Casaletti, who is the president of the Italian Senate, should be paying her courtesy call on the president of the republic.
00:31:22.120And immediately after her, at 5 o'clock, it's going to be the president of the Italian House of Representatives, Roberto Ficco.
00:31:29.500And they're going to decide together, let's say, with the president, whether it's possible that they can scratch out until the end of this mandate next spring a different government, but with effectively the same parliamentarians, or whether just to dissolve parliament and go to fresh elections, early elections, at the end of September, the beginning of October.
00:31:50.760So those are the developments here that the whole of the press corps, which is standing here to my right, will be waiting for.
00:31:58.600All right, Ben, thank you so much for joining us.
00:32:00.940And we will stay tuned and have you back on later.
00:32:18.380He, a few years ago, he wrote an article highlighting something fascinating about the whole transgender movement, which is that Abbott Laboratories, or better known as AbbVie, had made over seven, I think it was $728 million off of their puberty-blocking drug known as Lupron.
00:32:36.740And in one year alone, I think it was 2019 or 2018.
00:32:40.800And that was a few years ago, and it got my whole, my mind changed on how this transgender fight is really not just a bunch of gender-confused people, but it's really now an industry.
00:32:52.540There are people, there are shareholders, there are corporate jerks who are profiting off of the exploitation of children.
00:33:00.000And so, Pedro and I are actually teaming up on a report, and I've asked Pedro to join us to kind of talk a little bit about this and what he's found as we've been going through this research.
00:33:10.800So, Pedro, run us through this, right?
00:33:13.860Like, this transgender thing, the left would have you believe that it's just a bunch of people who feel uncomfortable in their bodies and they want to live as they feel.
00:33:23.140So, Pedro, what's really going on here?
00:33:25.740Well, Terry, first, thanks for having me on.
00:33:27.820This issue, I think, is unprecedented in the sense that there is so much power and money behind it relative to the size of the group it claims to represent.
00:33:40.280Transgender people, people suffering from gender dysphoria, really.
00:33:44.820We've really never seen anything like this.
00:33:46.900I mean, this is really an international thing.
00:33:51.980The report that we're working on is limited to the United States, but it's actually astonishing that once you take a closer look at this, you really kind of have to take a step back and ask yourself what's really going on here.
00:34:04.860So just a kind of snapshot, the global market valuation for sex reassignment surgery is expected to exceed more than $1.5 billion by 2026.
00:34:18.460And like you said, it's not just about helping people that would improve their quality of life by permanently mutilating their bodies and ultimately really becoming lifetime customers of these various medical and pharmaceutical companies, because that's actually what happens.
00:34:35.560Once someone decides that they can change their gender, they actually become dependent on certain industries, the healthcare industry, the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry.
00:34:45.480They need to constantly be going to clinics and constantly be taking drugs as part of this process, right?
00:34:51.980So there's a whole lot of interest involved.
00:34:55.880In other words, there are radicals who are pushing this stuff on us, on families, on children, on younger and younger children all the time.
00:35:05.920But the real problem is that they're being aided and abetted by these massive corporations that have tons of power and are able to get what they do all the way up to the White House.
00:35:17.800And I can get into that if you'd like.
00:35:19.140No, no, I just I want to credit you on this, right?
00:35:24.980Because you really tied the it was out there, the corporations, big pharma, these hospital industries.
00:35:31.340We all know that these surgeries and these hormone treatments cost a ton of money.
00:35:35.220But you are the one that connect the dots of the profits.
00:35:38.620I'm just wondering if you can talk a little bit.
00:35:41.100I want you to continue your points and go into that.
00:35:43.500But can you talk because the thing is, when you start making profits off of this stuff, you can then reinvest that into lobbying and politics where you can garner power.
00:35:52.640And I almost wonder if that's the main push behind the Equality Act and the transgender legislation that's out there.
00:35:57.700Well, I think, again, there's the ideological component and you can't dismiss these true believers.
00:36:03.620There are people that really do believe in this stuff.
00:36:10.620But really, the power behind them is not that their ideas are sound or that they're based on, you know, proper studies and things like that.
00:36:20.120Oftentimes, the evidence that contradicts their findings is suppressed or severely qualified.
00:36:25.380So, again, it's not like their arguments are better.
00:36:28.980There are massive entities, not just corporations, but also billionaires that are backing them and backing their beliefs that benefit from this stuff.
00:36:37.320And that's ultimately what tends to drive this forward.
00:36:40.880And a great example that kind of shows a snapshot of this relationship, I call it the transgender leviathan just because it's so massive and it's so Byzantine in the way that it's arrayed against us.
00:36:53.400And the White House recently cited a study produced by the Trevor Project arguing that it's necessary to transition children who are experiencing confusion about their gender in order to reduce the likelihood of suicide.
00:37:08.620Right. So that claim itself is already flimsy.
00:37:12.100I mean, there's a lot of evidence that suggests that transition therapy doesn't actually reduce suicidality.
00:37:17.620In some cases, it might actually worsen it so that we put that aside.
00:37:21.340Right. But what is the Trevor Project?
00:37:23.120What is this not this LGBT nonprofit that the White House is citing?
00:37:27.640Well, the Trevor Project also has an association with AbbVie through the AbbVie Foundation.
00:37:35.080AbbVie Incorporated happens to be one of the companies that produces Lupron, which is one of the top two puberty suppressing drugs that's used as part of the transition process.
00:37:51.080It's used for other things, specifically related to types of cancer, like prostate cancer and precocious puberty, the early onset of puberty.
00:38:00.460But the FDA, I mean, I don't know how much that is worth, right?
00:38:04.340But the FDA has not officially approved its use for suppressing puberty in children.
00:38:09.180And the really important thing is, is that once you start doing that to kids, suppressing puberty, the likelihood of them taking the next steps, each of which is more and more irreversible, increases dramatically.