Episode 2180： Populism Sweeps Italy In Election; Europe Is Getting Tired Of Being Ruled By Globalists Sitting IN Brussels; Breaking Down The ABC Important Issues Poll
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In this episode of the podcast, we look at the political earthquake happening in Italy, and why it s so important to have a political earthquake. We're joined by Ben Harnwell, Matthew Terman, and Matt Terman.
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There is a unique answer to all these questions.
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Because everything that we define in this time is a enemy
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and then we are under attack of the national identity
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and we are under attack of the religious identity
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and we are under attack of the familial identity.
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because we will never be schiavi and simple consumators in balia of speculation financials.
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This is our mission, and this is why I'm here today.
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"...fuoghi verranno attizzati per dimostrare che 2 più 2 fa 4,
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spade verranno sguainate per dimostrare che le foglie sono verdi in estate.
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Quel tempo è arrivato, signori. Siamo pronti. Grazie."
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These coalitions tend to be very unstable and fragile.
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Maloney is in a coalition with Berlusconi and several others.
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Exactly how that works out is hard for me at this point to predict.
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There's certainly some dangerous, volatile pieces in that coalition.
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Second thing, as I look at Europe, is that now for 20 or 30 years,
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you've had a movement by ordinary Europeans who say,
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I'm not comfortable being governed from Brussels.
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I don't want to be part of something that's supranational.
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Every time that's put to a test with voters in France,
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where they were asked to support the new European constitution, they rejected it.
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In Britain, Britain was so angry about the European Union, it left the European Union.
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And similarly now in Italy, the biggest appeal that Giorgio Maloney, the head of this new coalition,
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has is saying we're not comfortable being governed by Brussels.
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We're Italians, even to the point of saying we may not want to use the euro as our money.
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That's not a new theme in Europe. It's one that's been building and building.
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And to some extent, it's because the people in Brussels, who are part of the European Union,
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I hate to say that, but that's a part of the story we should remember.
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I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that Carrie Lake is not elected.
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Does that include campaigning for Democrats if that's what it takes?
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That's Liz Cheney, the neoliberal neocon, talking about Carrie Lake, who's running for governor,
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the populist who's running for governor of Arizona.
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Pretty stunning. David Ignatius finally admits that ordinary citizens of these individual countries
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don't want to be governed by, as Ben Harnwell, a head of our international bureau out of Rome,
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calls the sociopathic overlords. David Ignatius is the Washington consensus.
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It's Monday, 26 September in the year of our Lord 2022.
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And obviously, we've had a massive earthquake happening in a political earthquake in Italy.
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We're going to get to it. We've got Ben Harnwell, Matthew Terman to break it all down for us.
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Also, Matthew is talking about very disturbing. We're talking about elections.
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We have another massive election coming up in Brazil before our 8th November.
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We're going to get a lot to 8th November. We've got polling. We've got Joe Kent.
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Joe Kent is the cover story right there, Joe Kent. Our own Joe Kent is the cover story in the New York Times
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yesterday, the Sunday New York Times. We're going to get into all of that. Also, the precinct strategy.
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A lot going on. Matt Gaetz is going to join us later. John Solomon, the FBI.
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We're going to review the Katy, Texas event on Saturday and also show you disturbing video about
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what's happening in Chattanooga. And we're going to press the Chattanooga authorities why people are not
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being arrested for this. So we're going to get to all that. Let's go to Ben Harnwell. First off,
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describe, particularly for our podcast and radio audience who only heard the Italian version and
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couldn't see the subtitles as our TV, cable, satellite and streaming audience could. Just give us a summary.
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This is catching on fire. This is not the victory speech last night, but this is a speech from a
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little while back. But it summarizes the fight so brilliantly and why Georgia Maloney is so revered
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in many political circles, particularly the populist, nationalist,
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sovereignty, traditionalist right. Give us a summary. And then I want to ask you where we stand with the
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actual vote count in the in the in the spread of the parliament. Ben Harnwell.
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Morning, Steve. Yeah. Well, what she was saying was that this this project of a sociopathic overlord
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has zero resonance with actual living people or their hopes or their aspirations. She mentioned
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explicitly this project, which really sounds absurd, but it means so much. I won't say to the left,
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but to the driving force behind the left that makes it so militant and unelectable. This force
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on birth certificates of removing the traditional father and mother and replacing them with progenitor
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one and progenitor two, which are terms that literally no real human beings use to describe
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themselves with regards to the most important relationship of their entire human existence,
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like themselves and their kids. I mean, not even the people who dream these things up
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go to parties and introduce their kids and say, I'm progenitor one of that boy over there. It's just
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meaningless. And yet in just the most unbelievable lack of self-awareness whatsoever, these things
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have been forced on the political system by an extremely militant and radical and ideological minority.
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And that is one of the reasons why, as I say, it has no resonance. And in as much as it is absolutely
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correct to say that Georgia Maloney won this election, equally, you should be able to say that
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the left lost it. Very low turnout. I think it was nine points lower than the election in 2018,
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which was a two-day election. The election was the ballots were open for two days. This time it was
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only for one day. So the turnout was actually low this time. And one of the reasons was, is because
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nobody was interested in buying the product that the left had to offer. What had they done in
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together with the mainstream media, the ever compliant mainstream media, they had portrayed
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Georgia Maloney as being a far-right fascist who was going to return the country, basically,
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to a weaker form of Mussolini. And that simply did not resonate with most ordinary Italians'
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perception of reality, to say nothing about resonating with their hopes and their aspirations
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and their fears. So the left basically stayed at home. And that is why that policy of suggesting
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that Georgia Maloney is a far-right fascist that was roundly rejected by the Italian people.
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And now the Brothers of Italy is Italy's largest political party.
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Okay, hang on for a second. She ran on God, homeland, family. What she was saying right there is that
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they're trying to break your identity. They're trying to take away our traditional identity, the
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family, the mother, the father, the children. They're trying to break us as a nation to make sure we're
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just all one kind of, you know, indefinable mob. And it's all because they want us just to be
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consumers. All they care about is consumers. All the financial institutions, all they care about
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is what we buy, what we buy. It's very, very powerful, you know, to take away the spiritual,
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take away what it really means to have a whole and full life, that you're just not some consuming
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unit. I want to go to Matthew Tierman. Matthew, we'll get back to Brazil in your great paper in a
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second about this election fraud, which everybody in the United States should read.
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But I want to ask you, David Ignatius right there. Ignatius mourning Mika and Liz Cheney
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going after Carrie Lake. My point, this is what people have to focus on. It's all the same thing.
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This is the populist, nationalist, traditionalist movement on a global basis, whether it's in Arizona,
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whether it's in Italy, whether it's the Swedish Democrats. Now, look, the particulars
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are different in each country. But the direction is that people just want control. They want to
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have control in their own community, right? They don't want these extra, you know, international
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bodies. And quite frankly, the overreach Brussels is to Italy, is to Italy, the Italian people as
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Washington, D.C. is to Arizona, Montana, Texas. But for David Ignatius to say the quiet part out loud,
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at the end, he's kind of doing a mea culpa. Matthew Tierman.
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Yeah, you're 100% right. Something you just said made me think about the roots of the word fascist.
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If you look at the symbol in the teens and 20s, the fascist movement in Italy grew. It's fascia
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holding the wheat together to force a unity around one strong autocracy leadership. And that's what the
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EU is. That's what Washington is. That is, you know, federated, top-down autocracy, as opposed to,
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you know, the great thing about America is states' rights, you know, 50 laboratories of innovation.
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The great thing about Europe was Westphalian sovereignty. They created diplomatic frameworks
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to air their sovereign grievances. But now with the EU, everything comes from the top down. It's
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Brussels, it's Strasbourg, it's Germany, it's Berlin, it's German banking, and ultra matters. And if you
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go to Italy, you don't have to spend much time there to see the Italian culture is one of stubbornness,
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of pugnaciousness, of individualism. It's an emotionally, you know, we talked about Sweden
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versus Italy a few weeks ago. You know, you look at the debates. In the Swedish debates,
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you have to be calm and composed. In the Italian debates, you need to be fiery and passionate.
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And nobody's more fiery and passionate and charismatic than Georgia Maloney. I mean,
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here she is quoting Chesterton, one of the great classical liberal philosophers, writers,
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thinkers. And they're calling her a fascist. If anything, she is the antithesis of fascists.
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And it's those who are trying to seed the sovereignty and wrap them up in, you know,
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when you see the fascist symbol of the of the weeks tied together. That's what fasci is.
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And that's what the EU has done. And the people are rejecting it. Ignatius says,
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who could envision, you know, the people in Britain being this fed up that they that they would do
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Brexit? And who could envision this move to the right in in Sweden and in Italy? Well,
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you know what, if you spend time on the ground talking to working class people, real people
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who are not in positions of the crony boondoggle revolving door of government and high business,
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you can envision it. And then he actually walks back and says, OK, maybe people don't trust being
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told what to do. And he hits the nail on the head in a moment of sort of saying the quiet part out
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loud self-reflection. It was actually kind of good to see. You know, I'm surprised they didn't
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cut the mic on him when he started saying these things. The first part, though, was the real thing.
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It's concerning to everyone. Right. Ursula was at Princeton. Ursula was at Princeton talking about
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the weapons they have to go against Poland, your beloved Poland and in Hungary. But her her her message
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was really for the Italian voters. And supposedly there's some sort of meeting today or maybe some
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meeting of minds. Matthew, hang on. Ben Harnwell, hang on. We're a comeback. Ben's going to give
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us a breakdown really where the numbers are. Here's the other thing. Richard Barris is going to be on
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in Italy. One of the reasons that the right one is that the left didn't show up.
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That is what is going to happen on November 8th. They're actually depressed. They understand the
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Biden economy is continuing to implode. They don't know if they're going to get their vote out.
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We win a massive victory. We destroy the Democratic Party as a national political institution.
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If we show up, we have the issue set. We have to deliver that electric. And Richard Barris is
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going to walk us all through it. Then we're going to follow up. We got Joe Kent and Matt Schlapp.
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Matt Schlapp invited Georgia Maloney over to CPAC to talk. OK, we're packed today. Wall to wall.
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A lot to get through, including some capital markets and economics. All of it. Short commercial
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break. Matthew Tierman, Ben Harnwell, Richard Barris, next in the war room.
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We'll get through this and we'll move forward. I'm probably not as bearish as some people
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on the out year because I do think we're in this boom-bust sort of environment like the 40s that we've
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talked about forever and we've run this program. And so, you know, the sooner we can kind of get this
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thing resolved and the Fed gets there, I'm all for taking the medicine. You know, I'm a child of 70s.
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Then do we come back down? Do we come back down in rates then? Or do we stay permanently high? Do you
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know what our debt service, are we going to be able to do anything else with fiscally when almost
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everything, you know, almost all the GDP is going to be, not all of it, but a lot is going to be spent
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just servicing the debt at much higher rates. And that's going to cause a slower GDP and sort of a
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permanent headwind for us. Well, that's right. I mean, but look, I mean, we've been in a world
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of financial repression for 15 years, right, since the financial crisis. We've had, you know, very
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generous monetary policy, negative real interest rates, and that hasn't served us well, right? I mean,
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I would argue that QE is deflationary. And in a world where there's too much debt, you're dead
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if that happens, okay? I mean, you need to have inflation. So we're getting, you know, we're
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getting the solution that we need. We're all looking for inflation to try and help. We've just got more
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that we bargained for. So it'll happen. Thank you, Denver. Right there, Joe Kernan, who's a,
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you know, a War Room fan, and we're a big fan of Joe Kernan's on CNBC, kind of the voice of reason.
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Right there, we've been talking about this and talking, putting the concept out there of a
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sovereign debt crisis. This, we have $31 trillion face amount of treasury. We have nine and a half
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trillion or 9.4 trillion on the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve. Make sure you take your number
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two pencil out and write this down in your notebook if you're keeping notes at home. The servicing of
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this debt, is it going to explode? We're going to have massive fights. After we win, the fights,
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they're going to be on debt ceiling. The fights are going to come on what gets financed, because quite
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frankly, we're running a one and a half to $2 trillion deficit pre-financing cost. Now you're
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going to add a financing cost that could be as high as that. And how are you going to get out of it?
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Print money. I'm going to get back to Italy. I've got Harnwell. Richard Barris here for some amazing
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polling. Richard, hang on. I've got to go with Terman. And this talks about bromides don't work.
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Look, we're huge fans. Terman, myself, all of us, Harnwell, of Ronald Reagan, in particular what Reagan
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and Volcker did. But what the Tories did with the Chancellor, the Exchequer, whoever this guy is,
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to me was reckless. You can't go out and talk about unfunded tax cuts. You can't go out and talk
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about paying for people's electricity because you've basically cut off your energy. You can't
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talk about this unless you get to grips with what reality is. And that's what your balance sheet looks
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like and what your debt is and how you're going to finance it. It's now, I think, three times more
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costly in pre-her speech, Truss's speech on Friday than it was afterward. Terman, and that shows you
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what the United States has got to worry about. Right now, people are not lining up and saying,
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hey, give me treasuries at a price. Things are exploding. The two-year treasury, I think,
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is at 2007 levels. This thing's exploding, and it's going to come back to how we finance this mess.
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Matthew Tierman. Overnight, the U.S. dollar-British pound cross, it's known as cable because they used
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to send it across cable lines with the old systems of communication 100 years ago. It's the most
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important currency pair in history. Just hit one spot 0.35, almost parity. That hasn't happened
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since the mid-'80s at the end of the Volker-Reagan tightening cycle. That tells you that the moves
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that Truss has made in the last three days trying to channel her inner Thatcher, and we love Thatcher,
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but there's a time to cut taxes, to spur growth, and there's a time to retrench and protect your
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sovereign balance sheet. And she just put the British sovereign balance sheet at deep risk,
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and for what? To spur growth by cutting bankers' bonuses. Highest rates, 45% on that highest marginal
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rate over 150 or 200,000 pounds. That's a help to the city of London and the bankers. It's not a help
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to the black cab drivers around London, whose marginal rates are going to be roughly the same.
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They're going to go down from 20 to 19. De minimis. All because she wants to channel Thatcher and spur
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growth, well, you know what? The headwinds that the British economy are now going to have in
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borrowing costs are going to negate any of this growth strategy that politically tried to push
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through. Tierman just hit it right there. Protect your sovereign balance sheet. People have to start
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worrying about the balance sheet of the United States. We've lived in a fantasy because the dollar
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is the export. It's the prime reserve current. By the way, you can go to birchgold.com right now,
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forward slash band, and get the end of the dollar empire. Part one is the politics of money because
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money is going to become a topic of politics day in and day out. Also, the second, the fall of the
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dollar is a prime reserve currency. We're going to have to focus on, as Tierman just said right there,
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protecting your sovereign balance sheet first. The balance sheet implodes. It doesn't matter what
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you're doing on tax policy because you're not going to have the industrial might. That's the
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other thing about Wall Street. I'm just telling people right now, and we're not telling you what to
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do with your money. We never do. We try to give macro analysis. But the earnings estimates are out
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there, I think, are as close to fantasy as possible. It does not incorporate the reality
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we are on Monday, the 26th of September in the year of 2022. And what's ahead of us? You talk
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about headwinds. We're about to hit a cat five, right? Tierman, give me a minute on that before I
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go back to Italy. Because what the British did is really the bromides of the Republican
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establishment. And bromides are not going to work anymore. We've got nothing but tough calls ahead
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of us. And there's going to be pain. There is going to be pain. Anybody under 35 years old that
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are voting for these Democrats, you personally deserve all the financial ruin that's in front of
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you? Because it is financial ruin that you face because of these radical policies of Wall Street,
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the corporatist, and the unit party led by radical Democrats. Matthew Tierman.
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Your statement about earnings estimates, they're starting to come down for the first time in a
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dozen years. What does that coincide with? The raising of rates. A lot of the earnings growth
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in the largest companies was built on the back of zero interest rate policy, which is now over.
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The S&P, the large cap companies, they will now start to see earning shortfalls. The stock market
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is at huge risk. We're starting to see the bear market be priced in in a more sort of continuous way
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than just, you know, B bottom like we saw in 2020. Or even what we saw in 2009, when the Federal
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Reserve and all the central banks came in and flooded global markets with liquidity and kept
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rates down to near zero for more than a decade. And now it's time to pay the piper. So your sovereign
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balance sheets are at risk. And where are they going to get the shortfall from? First off, forget the
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stock market. Look at, there's so many zombie companies out there that have high yield securities,
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debt that's above your equity. There's no chance they can pay this off.
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It's fantasy land. We're not telling you what to do. But when a guy right now tells you to buy the
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dip, do your own homework. Because we don't know if it's a dip or a chasm. Okay, Matthew, hang on for
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one second. We'll go back to Ben. Ben, give it give us the just general breakdown of how this is going
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to go for for Maloney and how she's going to govern. Well, if you want to look at the statistics,
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the that the House of Representatives, let's call it that is the equivalent has 400 seats. And the
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center right coalition has around 235 of those seats. The center left coalition has 79. So that's
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a lot, lot less. And going to the Senate, which you're saying, but the point is, the center right
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has a majority? Are they going to be able to, but they don't have enough to change the constitution,
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right? That was what all the EU was worried about. They don't have the two thirds majority
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in either house. And the Senate of 200 seats, the center, center right has about 115. So
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Terman, should she immediately say, hey, we're going to go off the euro and go to the lira?
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Or is that too, is that too radical a move? Would they, would the EU actually start parachuting
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bankers into Rome to, to, to put her in handcuffs, sir?
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Mio, Matthew, did, did I lose? Now, Matthew Terman, should, should she go off the lira right
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now? Should she go to the lira and go off the euro right now?
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No, we have to be incremental about these moves to retain and regain sovereignty. A revolution
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would create pain for way too many citizens to, you know, we're populace. We care about
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the people. We don't care about the bankers. We care about the people. I've said this for
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years at the next shoe to drop in the inflection that Brexit caused, you had 70 years of agglomerated
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federalized confederacy in Europe, starting in 1948, moving ultimately to the adoption
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of the euro in 2000. Britain wisely stayed off of it, understanding its own economics,
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thanks to Thatcher's advisor, Bernard Connolly, who wrote The Rotten Heart of Europe, a great
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book, highly recommended for those economically minded. But Italy in 2000 had the most pain,
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of any country who did the exchange rate mechanism and swapped their lira for euro.
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Overnight, the cost of milk, of eggs, of everything went up the most in real purchasing
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power parity. It hurt the people the most. And the cab drivers, you talk to the people
00:26:26.320
around Italy, they still remember. So they do understand that the euro has not necessarily
00:26:31.580
been just a, you know, panacea of good things. I mean, that's before migrant crises and, you
00:26:36.980
know, federated government from Brussels telling them how to live. I do believe that
00:26:40.900
quittally now, you know, the second shoe to drop in the inflection of the EU's power
00:26:45.880
agglomeration could start to take root. But it does need more time. And I don't think
00:26:51.440
they're going to be the ones I don't think this government is going to be the ones to
00:26:54.700
push it that much further forward, because they've got a leverage up with with the EU and
00:26:59.400
they can now extract more concessions. Ursula von der Leyen saying we're going to weaponize
00:27:03.340
their technology like Poland and Hungary and like they'll be going to Sweden. Italy is too
00:27:07.640
powerful with too much leverage in its financial system to allow that. They'll they'll be in the
00:27:12.280
category. Hang on for a second. OK, we're taking a short break. Come back. We're embarrassed is going
00:27:16.520
to talk to us about November 8th, where the numbers are breaking out. All the suppression
00:27:20.060
polls are going to come out. Tiermont is going to be back about how they're going to try to steal
00:27:23.640
it in Brazil. Everybody be on watch here, how they're going to try to steal it in Brazil. We got
00:27:28.160
Matt Schlapp to talk about Maloney. We also have the great Joe Kent, John Solomon, Matt Gates,
00:27:33.600
a lot going on here. Stick with us. Short commercial break. We'll be back in the war room in just a
00:27:38.240
moment. Everything's just beginning. But the games you want to play. Bring it on and now we'll fight
00:27:49.120
to the end. Just watch and see. It's all started. Everything's begun. And you are over.
00:27:57.720
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00:28:05.600
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00:29:43.020
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Bannon's War Room Rome. Later after the show today, we'll get you a specific time. We'll have a lot of
00:29:58.980
analysis, detailed breakdown, and guest. And that is now going to be, I think, permanent after this
00:30:03.960
election as Georgia tries to pull together a government and faces the EU and all the other
00:30:09.780
crises of the world. Also, focus on the Vatican, right, now that they've jumped into the political
00:30:15.200
fray. Okay, I've got, we're going to get to Barris momentarily. We got this cross tabs from the ABC
00:30:20.660
poll. Everything's about November 8th. There is no substitute for victory. We're going to get into
00:30:25.620
the New York Times calling out the War Room Posse and a big editorial over the weekend. Of course,
00:30:29.680
Joe Kent, right there. Joe Kent was the cover story. And we're going to get to all that. I want
00:30:35.340
to go to Matthew Tiermon. Matthew, I only got a couple of minutes. It's been very important for
00:30:38.640
the audience. This is about Brazil, this massive election coming up and what's happening about
00:30:44.300
people getting jiggy now about, is there going to be a free and fair election? You got a brilliant
00:30:48.500
piece that's up. Walk me through it. So as a lot of the audience remembers, as, you know,
00:30:54.500
I was at CPAC Brazil with Jason Miller one year ago, early September in 2021 with Matt
00:31:00.300
Schlapp. And we were detained at the airport by the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court
00:31:04.420
oversees it, a highly politicized organ. And they oversee the elections. They are at war
00:31:09.680
with Bolsonaro and the Bolsonaroistas. They have been installed by Lula and Dilma, two corrupt
00:31:15.940
felons who were in bed with the CCP selling and plundering Brazil's natural resource wealth
00:31:22.640
for cash in bags, laundering the money through car washes, the famous operation car wash.
00:31:27.660
So I wrote a very, very long piece about the Supreme Court, about the election, about where
00:31:31.580
things stand. About 5,000 words on Creative Destruction Media, our friend Todd Wood, who's
00:31:36.860
not afraid to be sanctioned alongside me by the Supreme Court. I don't know if I'll be doing
00:31:40.520
my honeymoon in Brazil anytime soon, unfortunately. But this piece is a big breakdown. I broke through
00:31:46.720
my shadow ban on Twitter. It's got like five or 6,000 likes and seen like half a million
00:31:50.740
times. So I'm going to be putting this into a podcast all week because this election...
00:31:55.400
This is a major piece. Yeah, this is a major piece. And we're going to have you back on
00:31:58.360
to break it down because the next one on deck right now or coming up to the plate is Bolsonaro.
00:32:04.000
Nothing could be more important in Brazil, particularly as the CCP. And the way they're
00:32:07.180
spinning it, Foreign Policy Magazine essentially has a CCP operative writing a piece how Bolsonaro
00:32:12.680
is really the preferred candidate of the CCP. Just lies in misrepresentation. This one's
00:32:16.980
going to be... This is going to be as nasty as 2016 was in the United States. So, Matthew,
00:32:24.160
how do people get to you? How do they get to the article?
00:32:26.500
Yep. And I call it the most important electoral battleground against global communism in 2022.
00:32:32.380
More important than Sweden, more important than Italy. These are great, important elections that
00:32:36.060
we're winning. But in Brazil, one of the largest democracies in the world, one of the largest
00:32:39.720
economies of the world, it is on the cusp of becoming a CCP vassal state if they successfully
00:32:44.820
steal this election. I've been down there. Bolsonaro has tons of support. In an honest
00:32:48.920
election, he'd win. He now... It's like Pennsylvania and Philadelphia. You've got to win by 15 or 20
00:32:53.580
to overshoot the steal. It's on creativedestructionmedia.com, CDM Media. It's on my Twitter,
00:32:59.540
on my getter, at Matthew Tiermond, M-A-T-T-H-E-W-T-Y-R-M-A-N-D. And I know you and I will be
00:33:05.920
It's a big lesson for us, but you're absolutely correct. This is the CCP trying to roll in and take
00:33:10.420
what they think is Liebenstrom. They want the resources. They want the Amazon. They want it all.
00:33:15.180
And remember, it's the largest Catholic country, I think, in the world in a massive evangelical
00:33:18.820
base. And that's Bolsonaro's support function. Matthew, thank you. We're getting into this
00:33:23.580
very deeply now, the whole Brazilian situation. Let me bring in Matt Schlapp. He's taken CPAC to
00:33:29.340
Brazil. He took CPAC overseas. He's had many of the leaders, you know, Nigel Farage, the entire team.
00:33:34.680
He's had Georgia. Give us your assessment. You had her here to CPAC to speak. Give us your
00:33:39.680
assessment of her as a person and then what happened overnight.
00:33:42.840
Well, you know, Steve, she's come to CPAC here in America twice. And, you know, when
00:33:47.500
she first spoke, she was, you know, I would say she wasn't doing great in the polls. She
00:33:53.200
was just getting started. And people said, wow, she's impressive. I wonder if she'll go
00:33:57.460
anywhere. And, you know, sometimes I'm pessimistic on our chances and things. And she has just
00:34:02.140
skyrocketed. As you know, the results put her in a really strong position. Obviously, first
00:34:06.980
of all, to put a coalition together of people that are roughly in the same zone ideologically,
00:34:13.200
but she also is in the cusp of getting the number of seats she needs to really make the
00:34:18.580
constitutional changes that need to be made. This is a warning shot coming from Italy. You know,
00:34:25.440
what the propaganda media does, and I learned this in Hungary, I met with lots of parliament members
00:34:30.420
from across Europe. And they said the far right phrase is what they use in Europe, call you a
00:34:35.940
fascist, call you a Nazi, to call you an anti-Semite. The irony is all the anti-Semitism, most of it's
00:34:42.280
on the left. They hate the state of Israel. They hated Netanyahu. They hated the Trump-Netanyahu
00:34:47.820
relationship. And they just hate the state of Israel for all kinds of reasons. So they use this
00:34:52.560
term far right, which our American media is now picking up. Let me tell you what she is. She's pro-life.
00:34:58.120
She's pro-constitution. She's pro-family. And she's anti-globalist. And she fits right neatly
00:35:06.820
in the term of what we call conservative here in America. So as people start reading this propaganda
00:35:12.820
media saying that she's some kind of fascist, just remember, they've called us all fascist or
00:35:17.780
semi-fascist or whatever they have this week for us. Yeah. But here's where they're going to pivot.
00:35:22.260
You bring a brilliant point. Here's where they're going to pivot. And I said this a couple of days ago
00:35:25.900
on our on our show in Italy, they're going to pivot now off fashion because I understand that's not
00:35:31.580
sticking. It's going to be because her God, homeland and family. That's right.
00:35:37.660
Was this is the rise of Christian nationalism. You watch. They're going to be all over. This is
00:35:43.560
Christian nationalism. And they always put white Christian nationalism that you I can I can almost
00:35:48.880
write the articles that are coming out in the next couple of days that she is something even more
00:35:53.820
dangerous than the fascist. Right. This is the rise of Christian nationalism. You see it here. This
00:35:58.800
is why the right in America. This is why she's invited to CPAC. This is why Bolsonaro with the
00:36:04.980
evangelicals and the traditional Catholics down there. This is all you know, it's not the secular
00:36:10.200
populist nationalist movement that was. This is now she's the harbinger of the rise of Christian
00:36:18.120
nationalism. Just when when the articles will put them all up. But Matt, you agree they're coming
00:36:23.460
because fascism has not worked. Didn't stop us. And I were reading all this coverage over the
00:36:28.740
weekend. And if you're a Christian that believes that your Christianity or your faith should be a
00:36:35.460
part of your personal life and doesn't translate into any of your policies, you're called center
00:36:40.440
right. Right. If you're a Christian or a person of faith who believes in things like protecting the
00:36:46.300
unborn child, stopping the war on gender, stopping the war on the family, then you're far right.
00:36:52.360
Everybody here should understand that's the lexicon. So you're exactly right. It moves into this idea
00:36:57.640
and CPAC's a part of this. The war room's a part of this. These entities that are pushing white
00:37:03.540
nationalism, Christian nationalism, it's all their new way of saying, as you said, fascism. And it's
00:37:11.000
amazing to me. So like if you're just a go to church person who believes the unborn child deserves
00:37:15.460
right, you're an extremist. Yeah. No, extremist. She's for God, her country and family.
00:37:21.400
That doesn't seem all that radical. That doesn't seem all that radical to me. They're in full
00:37:26.100
meltdown. That makes her a Christian nationalist, the worst of the fascists, right? Matt, how do
00:37:31.060
they get to you? Go ahead, sir. No, I was going to say, and you're so right. Matthew's so right.
00:37:37.280
This election in Brazil on Sunday, don't be alarmed if it goes into a runoff. A lot of my contacts are
00:37:42.900
telling me, including my Brazilian-born vice chairman, Charlie Giroux, that Bolsonaro is going to pull this
00:37:49.260
out, but it could be with a runoff. And it's just another example of like, what do we make of
00:37:55.240
polling? I mean, just I'm getting to the point where I'm just not going to even look at it because
00:37:59.260
it's make-believe. Foreign policy actually has a huge article about Bolsonaro. Lula is a
00:38:06.020
transnational criminal, been in business with the CCP for 25 years, right? He's their running dog.
00:38:10.480
They're actually making the case, oh, Bolsonaro is the one who's going to turn Brazil over to the CCP.
00:38:14.560
They're pulling out all stops because of the Amazon. They're pulling out all stops against
00:38:19.200
Bolsonaro. They need to take Bolsonaro off the chessboard. So this one's going to be,
00:38:24.060
we're going to do the whole run-up to it, but it's going to be very ugly. Matt, how do people get to
00:38:29.280
you, particularly on Twitter where you're on Truth, you're on all the getter, all of them, but on
00:38:33.380
Twitter, you're still not banned and you're coming a little hot. So how do people get to you on social
00:38:38.500
media? At mschlapp on all the platforms, including Twitter, and I just want to say to you, Steve,
00:38:43.760
I think I haven't talked to the prime minister-elect as I'll call her since her great victory, but
00:38:48.760
I think we've got to find a way to have CPAC Italy. I just think it has to happen.
00:38:53.720
CPAC Rome, baby. I'm in. That's fabulous. Let's do it.
00:38:57.220
By the way, you've had some pretty good calls. The Brazil thing was incredibly important.
00:39:01.940
In having these guys come over here was important. Going to Hungary, incredibly important. I can't
00:39:07.160
speak enough about them. Hey, love, I can't tell you how much these European conservatives
00:39:12.360
and really conservatives from all over the world appreciate the wonderful conservatives
00:39:16.720
in America who welcome them with open arms. They go back to their country fired up, so let's keep
00:39:21.180
it going. Well, no, this is the other thing, too. Like David Ignatius, he's sitting there mourning
00:39:25.000
Joe, and they're all with knitted brow like this. This is the power of media. Breitbart does a good
00:39:30.820
job of this. I think Worm does a good job. CPAC. When you talk, when you mention these guys
00:39:34.980
like Maloney or you mentioned Orban, our people are supposed to be in bib overalls breathing
00:39:40.440
through the mouths. They know the policies. They know what's happening. They know how sources
00:39:44.440
would store. The conservative MAGA movement in this country is so much more sophisticated
00:39:51.340
on geopolitics and what's happening through the world. You can invite people, and they're getting
00:39:56.520
standing ovations. Orban came to Dallas and actually dominated. People know the details.
00:40:01.820
You go to Wall Street, they're sitting there with what? Who? What are you talking about?
00:40:07.280
I mean, look at Morning Joe this morning. I met with the volunteers. We had almost 200 volunteers
00:40:10.720
at CPAC in Dallas, and Orban had that great line, the globalists can go to hell. I'm coming
00:40:17.340
to CPAC in Dallas. Great line. I met with the volunteers afterwards. Once again, they didn't
00:40:21.760
maybe have the money to buy a ticket, but they volunteered, and they listened to everything.
00:40:26.780
I tell you how many of those volunteers came up to me and said, thanks for having the courage
00:40:30.280
to let the prime minister of Hungary come speak to us. We need to hear that message here. We need
00:40:34.320
to fight. I tell you, the American people are engaged. I completely agree with you, which is
00:40:38.560
why November, don't believe it. It's going to be good stuff, man.
00:40:43.220
We got to deliver. Thank you. We're going to get into the numbers right now. Thank you very much,
00:40:46.540
Matt Schlapp, over at American Conservative Union and CPAC. Let's go to Richard Barris.
00:40:51.840
Richard, over the weekend, they're now nervous. Hey, have we calculated this right? But Vox,
00:40:56.720
these other guys saying Biden's approval's up. In fact, ABC puts out this poll, Biden's approval's
00:41:01.580
up, abortion's starting to resonate. But then you look at the actual math, it is a blowout as far
00:41:07.740
as generic ballot in the districts. Walk us through, take a couple of minutes and walk us through the
00:41:11.900
ABC, and we'll hold you to the break to give more detail. Yeah, what they did this time too, Steve,
00:41:17.720
which is why I sent the generic ballot graph that's our generic ballot, because we talked about this.
00:41:23.080
There was a tightening. If you look just at the registered voter sample, it's Republican plus
00:41:27.980
two, right in the ballpark of where ours was. Come that Labor Day pivot, you have to look at who's
00:41:33.820
going to vote, who's going to come out to vote. The likely voter swells to Republican plus five.
00:41:39.260
Look at the top issues as well. There it is right there. Look, abortion didn't even come in the top
00:41:43.340
three among people who are actually going to vote here, Steve. That's being fueled by the Democratic
00:41:49.760
base itself. Young voters are not enthusiastic. The electorate is, you know, they actually, and I'm
00:41:56.560
shocked I'm going to say this, but we're a little bit in agreement about what the electorate is going
00:42:00.600
to be as far as the size of it and how Republican it's going to be. It looks a little bit shy of 2018
00:42:06.660
right now, which was a high turnout midterm. But the bottom line is, I told people this when we started
00:42:13.000
showing them the trend in the generic ballot in our polling, which is that Republicans had a lead this
00:42:17.800
entire year. And that once we pivoted into the silly season, we'd see some crazy polls.
00:42:22.820
But once we got past Labor Day, it's going to do what it always does. Issues and fundamentals
00:42:28.020
decide elections, not news cycles, you know, and who gets steamed over a Supreme Court decision.
00:42:34.120
That's just not how we're investing in. The real shocker here is that it takes an ABC News poll
00:42:40.780
to get people to finally recognize what people who actually call elections correctly year after year
00:42:47.340
have been saying all along, which is that eventually, uh, this is, you know, reality is going to have
00:42:52.440
its day and, uh, Republicans have been leading on the most important issues all year. And that's
00:42:57.580
going to dictate the outcome of this election. One thing, if I can, Steve, real quick, hang on one
00:43:04.540
second. I want to get it. I want to really, I want people to savor it. ABC Washington post Republicans
00:43:09.560
hold 21 point lead on generic ballot and battleground districts. Republicans 55, Democrats 34, 21 point
00:43:17.960
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Okay, welcome back. Let's go to Richard Barris, the buried lead in the ABC, up 20 in these battleground
00:45:37.060
districts, up 21 points. Republicans 55, Democrats 34. And we look at the issue set, they get wiped. I
00:45:43.860
mean, historic spreads on the issue sets that matter. Inflation, the economy, crime, border security,
00:45:49.100
immigration, all of it. Richard Barris, take us away because take it away because right now it's
00:45:53.820
nothing but suppression polls are trying to twist the numbers. Richard Barris.
00:45:57.180
Yeah, the headline of that poll, Steve, is that 21-point lead in districts that have been identified
00:46:03.740
as competitive by the fake forecaster, right? So if you're looking at a lead that's as big as solid and
00:46:10.360
safe Republican districts in those battleground districts, then that's a 247 cracker. That's a
00:46:15.740
wipeout. What do I mean by that? Historically, that's a ceiling for Republicans. In a year like this,
00:46:21.360
especially after redistricting, we would expect them to be able to crack that ceiling if they're
00:46:26.620
going to be able to do it. And if the Washington Post-ABC News poll is right, this is a wipeout.
00:46:32.220
That's a wipeout in the House. And if you think that's not going to have an impact at the Senate
00:46:36.540
level, even some of these gubernatorial elections, then think again. That's the making of a real
00:46:42.640
wave. Now, I'm itching to get back in the generic ballot myself. People can help us do that. Go to
00:46:48.480
bigdatapoll.com, scroll to the bottom, and let's get it going. But that is what I pretty much expected
00:46:54.380
as we got into September and right up creeping on October. Some of these people had abysmal results
00:47:01.480
in 2020, Steve. They're not going to want to blow the House vote this year. So it may take them a little
00:47:06.480
bit to herd or what we call herding or mirroring, which is getting a more accurate result as we get
00:47:10.960
closer. But again, I really can't stay in this enough, Steve, because this is it. The issues will
00:47:17.040
determine how people vote. Nobody is going outside of the Democratic base. Nobody's going to vote on
00:47:23.180
abortion over inflation. By the way, we're going to get to Kent in a minute. This whole article is
00:47:29.680
about it's her abortion versus his populist nationalism. Real quickly, Trafalgar in the
00:47:37.840
state of Washington. Are people getting their hopes up that they're spreading the battlefield
00:47:41.520
to Washington, to Oregon, to Vermont, to Connecticut? We heard Alex de Grasse of the NRCC starting to put
00:47:47.720
in house races in Oregon. Part of that driven by Joe Kent. But is this I would just give me a heads
00:47:53.040
up on this Washington poll. Yeah, some of the Pacific Northwest districts that Alex was talking about
00:47:59.160
last week are absolutely in play because of the dynamic there. And if you look at Patty Murray,
00:48:04.620
two party primary vote share in Washington state has been extremely predictive when it comes to
00:48:10.740
midterm elections. She only got 52 percent. So the real surprise shouldn't be that Trafalgar and really
00:48:16.720
others should should be showing a closer race than what most people would expect. The surprise is that
00:48:22.280
so many forecasters are refusing to acknowledge you would expect this in a pro Republican environment,
00:48:28.420
which is what we're in. It's a first term incumbent midterm. She got 52 percent. Anything below 55
00:48:34.280
is a bit of a warning sign. Anything above it, you kind of just leave it alone. It's a waste of
00:48:38.300
money to go after her. She got 52. So Smiley's a great candidate. I really do think you look at New
00:48:45.800
Jersey, Steve. Look at Virginia. A great, a great, a great candidate, a great candidate for a great
00:48:51.040
candidate for the, for the area. Let me, let me caveat that life's not perfect real quickly. How do
00:48:56.760
people get to CD for Washington, CD, CD media, uh, how they get to big data, how they get to people's
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pundit, how they get to your, uh, locals? CDM.press is where you can check out all of the big data
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polls that we've been doing with, uh, creative destruction. And then the generic ballot, that's,
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uh, the public polling project. People can help us out with that. They can go to bigdatapoll.com
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and then scroll to the bottom. You'll see how you can support it. And of course, follow me on
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There it is right there. Thank you, brother. We'll have you back multiple times this week.
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A lot of polling numbers go through. Okay. New York times, Sunday opinion page, our own Joe Kent
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versus his opponent. And it's called our political future right there. Our political future. I'm
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going to put this up the shot of it. If you look inside, this thing's got to be to understand the
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midterms, me, Joe and Marie, that big, huge spread. Okay. Huge spread there. Let's get Joe Kent up
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to talk about this. Joe, I say that's free. The New York times gave you basically, you know,
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millions of dollars of free earned media. Uh, what do you have to say? They come at you snarky,
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but we look at it. I just don't see where your opponent does anything else, but abortion
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and, and, and also say that she supports all of Biden's economic programs, which is devastating
00:50:15.720
your district. So tell me why is it, why is the New York times decided this is our political future,
00:50:20.940
you versus your opponent? Absolutely. Steve, they're trying to give my opponent some free
00:50:27.200
press, but in doing so, they're really just giving me some, some great earned media. So thanks to the
00:50:31.300
New York times. Uh, but really they are terrified of the fact that we are running on a message of
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inclusive populism and American nationalism. They are terrified that we're out there on the stump
00:50:42.380
talking about real issues. We're talking about the inflation. We're talking about the solutions to
00:50:47.080
inflation, how Biden killed off our energy independence. And now Americans are suffering
00:50:51.460
at every single level. We're talking about how one month of wages is being stolen from the American
00:50:56.500
working family. We're talking about crime, how it's up on our doorsteps as a result of an open
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border, as a result of the policies of the Democrats at the national level. And then also here at the local
00:51:06.920
level, who my opponent is running in lockstep with, she is in lockstep with Jay Inslee, Bob Ferguson,
00:51:13.260
and the Democrats that are opening up our jails and releasing criminals. She is advocating for
00:51:18.260
gender affirming care, which is the mutilation and castration of minors. And she's blessed off on
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every single piece of legislation that Biden and Pelosi have pushed through that's destroying our
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economy, the build back better, the essentially the green new deal and the inflation control act.
00:51:33.680
So really they are terrified that we're talking about issues. So all they can do is call us extremists.
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Yes. Has she, how big is abortion? Is she made, is abortion the centerpiece of her campaign? Because
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it's kind of a, if you look at her, and by the way, she's a fascinating individual. The reason the
00:51:51.420
Times, both of you two are fascinating individuals is one of the reasons they picked her. So I'm not,
00:51:56.100
I'm not going after her on that angle, but it just seems it's a grab bag of policies. But is the
00:52:01.940
centerpiece abortion, is that what she's made with her advertising, the centerpiece of her campaign?
00:52:07.080
Yes, she's running heavily on abortion being the number one issue. And she is in lockstep with
00:52:13.860
the Democrats on abortion. And the Democrats are so extreme right now. It's ridiculous.
00:52:18.160
The Democrat policy of killing a child up until the moment of its birth is so extreme that you have
00:52:23.320
to go to the Chinese Communist Party or to North Korea to find a modern nation that has a similar
00:52:28.440
policy. So when we discuss details, they really just can't stand on their own. They have to go with
00:52:33.480
abortion to try and just trigger the suburban white women. Okay, hang on a second. I just want to
00:52:38.580
hold you for a second. We got the great Matt Gaetz is going to join us. Because I think there's a
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debate that's going to occur tomorrow night. We're gonna get Joe Kent to heads up on this.
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The great Matt Gaetz is going to join us right after a short 90-second break.
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