Bannon's War Room - Episode 2327： WarRoom： A Thanksgiving Special Cont.

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.000 You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.000 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:27.000 Mega Media.

00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:49.000 The sun and the wind and the rain.

00:00:56.000 The color of blue in your sweet eyes.

00:01:01.000 The sight of a high ball and train.

00:01:05.000 The moon rise over a prairie.

00:01:10.000 And oh, love that you've made new.

00:01:15.000 And this year when I count my bliss.

00:01:17.000 Okay, welcome back.

00:01:18.000 Thanksgiving morning as you go about going to your family and friends gathering.

00:01:23.000 Many of you going to church services.

00:01:25.000 Larry, what did the pilgrims and the Puritans for a relatively small group numerically,

00:01:31.000 what did they stamp upon the American character that informs us today, centuries later?

00:01:41.000 Easy.

00:01:42.000 That the relationship with God was a bottom up relationship.

00:01:47.000 It could not be dictated by bishops or popes or viziers or anybody else.

00:01:54.000 And that your organizations that worship God had to be from the people.

00:02:01.000 And that, as we went out and saw numerous new denominations appear, especially in the early 1800s, like the Methodists, for example,

00:02:13.000 that this became the common approach to almost everything.

00:02:17.000 Most of these were were, in fact, grassroots.

00:02:20.000 There were there were a few like the American Presbyterian Church that were still top down.

00:02:25.000 But this is really a a democratic church to go with a common law, which was a democratic government.

00:02:33.000 And those two things made us a feisty people.

00:02:37.000 I'm convinced it's a difference between what we have.

00:02:41.000 And, you know, Steve, you and I and others have talked about how easy it was for Canada and Australia and so-called democracies to just lock down.

00:02:51.000 And I'd have friends.

00:02:53.000 So how can they do this?

00:02:54.000 Aren't these democracies?

00:02:55.000 Well, yes, they're democracies, but they don't have those pillars of American exceptionalism that say, no, power isn't from top down.

00:03:04.000 Power is from bottom up.

00:03:06.000 And they do what we tell them, not not the reverse.

00:03:09.000 Now, sometimes they get away with it for a little while, but not for very long.

00:03:13.000 And you think that's the just the natural, I don't say cussedness, but really belief in oneself and one's relationship to God.

00:03:26.000 And that's a one on one relationship from you to to him or it or however you describe it.

00:03:32.000 But that is what brings us not just individuality because it's not really libertarian at the end of the day has a strong sense of community.

00:03:41.000 But that kind of that that that that cussedness roles. 0.99

00:03:46.000 Do you see it in the revolution?

00:03:48.000 Right.

00:03:49.000 You later see it in the in the in the Civil War.

00:03:51.000 Is that still with us today?

00:03:53.000 Did you do you see that?

00:03:54.000 Is that that is this the burning embers that I know I don't want to politicize things too much on a on a Thanksgiving morning.

00:04:02.000 But is that is that what this fight is about today that would that would the pilgrims brought here and is about individualism and standing up for oneself and what one thinks is morally right to stand up that you think that's what you thought, whether it's the mass mandates or the shutdowns or the lockdowns or the vaccine mandates.

00:04:26.000 This kind of the orneriness and what the mainstream media and the elite absolutely hate is the the non sheep or the non sheep nature of this kind of populist Trump movement.

00:04:38.000 Well, you know, let me start with you mentioned the revolution and this this feeling this permeated the whole revolution that that your relationship to God was critical and that your right to freely choose.

00:04:55.000 How to worship was very important.

00:04:58.000 And one thing that people forget, it's easily overlooked, is that in the so called intolerable acts after the Boston Tea Party, when they locked down Boston, one of the big acts that almost never gets any mention or press was that it moved America, the colonies of America under the organizational supervision of Quebec.

00:05:22.000 Now, the reason that was doubly bad was that, first of all, it was a foreign source in charge of American operations, not American colonies.

00:05:33.900 But second of all, Quebec was a Catholic colony at the time.

00:05:39.040 And many of these people, not all of them, because we had Catholic Maryland, but it's very interesting, Steve, even in Catholic Maryland, they had a very bottom up structure in their churches.

00:05:50.000 And they did not take direct orders from the Pope the way others in Europe would.

00:05:56.780 They were quite, quite rebellious.

00:05:58.480 And it didn't take long before Maryland had so few Catholics that Protestants dominated the community anyway.

00:06:05.740 So the point is that there was this this order that all of a sudden puts this vast number of American Protestants under the Catholic Church. 0.57

00:06:14.540 That wasn't going to stand.

00:06:44.540 And that Mike DeWine in Ohio won.

00:06:47.280 One of these all had in common.

00:06:48.920 They were all big lockdown states.

00:06:51.340 What's going on?

00:06:52.860 You go to the other end of the country and you had Brian Kemp.

00:06:55.680 You have Ron DeSantis.

00:06:57.100 You have Kristi Noem.

00:06:59.760 These states all rejected the lockdowns early on.

00:07:05.060 And you have guys like DeSantis winning by 20 points, Noem by 27 points.

00:07:09.240 So what's going on?

00:07:10.780 And one analysis I saw of this is that today there is a very definite division caused in large part by COVID.

00:07:22.840 And that was those in America who think that the government exists to keep them safe and to protect their lives.

00:07:29.460 And those who think the government exists to keep them free and let them make their own decisions.

00:07:35.280 And I think that's very clear in how people voted to keep in such what I think are horrible politicians like Gretchen Whitler.

00:07:43.960 What, before we move to Lincoln and move the story forward, the Norman Rockwell concept of Thanksgiving from the greeting cards and all the, you know, everything feels like Stockbridge, Massachusetts with the beautiful leaves and the full bountiful, you know, from the Norman Rockwell paintings.

00:08:10.860 The bountiful tables with Turkey and everybody getting ready to eat the cranberry sauce.

00:08:18.400 How much of that, how did that evolve over time to be the modern concept of looking back of what Thanksgiving was for the pilgrims?

00:08:25.380 Because clearly it wasn't like that for the pilgrims themselves, although they had a surplus.

00:08:30.460 They were still, you know, they were still somewhat, what it says, subsistence farmers, right?

00:08:38.180 Right.

00:08:38.320 And when did the hallmark and Norman Rockwell come in?

00:08:44.760 They were going to have a lot of things you won't see on most Thanksgiving tables, like eels and a lot of crabs and fish.

00:08:53.360 Remember, they were a coastal community and they were going to have a lot of seafood there.

00:08:57.900 You know, I can't pinpoint when, when we started to see a transition to this.

00:09:04.500 You do mention Rockwell and it's interesting that in Patriots history, Mike and I highlight Norman Rockwell as the American painter.

00:09:14.740 And it drives liberals crazy.

00:09:16.740 They hate Norman Rockwell because he never pulled punches and he didn't abstain from pointing out injustice as he did with the picture of the black school girl with the marshals.

00:09:30.180 But nevertheless, he always saw the best in America.

00:09:34.280 And this drives people crazy when they want to highlight the dark side, the Andy Warhol kind of side of America.

00:09:43.080 But yes, it is today.

00:09:45.080 We kind of see these pictures.

00:09:47.280 And I think today, because we've seen the pictures, that's what we expect to see on the table.

00:09:52.480 And I don't know about you, but I grew up in one part of Thanksgiving was always the Dallas Cowboys football game.

00:09:58.440 Right.

00:09:59.000 Detroit Lions and Dallas Cowboys.

00:10:00.660 And and so it's all become a part of this kind of national mystique that you don't see in any other country.

00:10:09.220 No other country has a day that they just dedicate to God to thank him for getting them out of the wilderness.

00:10:17.280 That had really, although it took place in the Plymouth colonies, the story cuts ahead till what is it, Lincoln?

00:10:25.860 It was it was during the Civil War that it started to become really a national holiday or really a thing.

00:10:32.180 Up until that time, it was in it was in our civic memory, but maybe not as annual occurrence.

00:10:41.080 Tell us how it got onto the calendar and how it became something that it is the holiday that we see today.

00:10:46.200 Well, it comes down to Gettysburg again.

00:10:49.840 You know, in Lincoln's life, Gettysburg proved so pivotal in so many ways.

00:10:55.160 And I want to talk in just a minute when we get done with this about how it changed Lincoln personally in terms of his Christian experience.

00:11:03.380 But after Gettysburg, Lincoln was so profoundly moved by the cost that was being paid to keep the union together.

00:11:12.220 And again, this was his only goal, keep the union together.

00:11:16.280 And so in October of 1863, he decided that the nation should have a day of Thanksgiving in November that he designated Thursday in November that we today now celebrate as Thanksgiving.

00:11:30.780 And it was as much in honor of the fallen at Gettysburg as it was in in honor of any particular other Thanksgiving in the nation.

00:11:43.420 So it's kind of interesting how he tied the two together, the Civil War and America's founding.

00:11:52.240 Talk to us about that.

00:11:56.560 How did he how did he come up with the idea?

00:11:58.920 Did they because it was going to be a day of national Thanksgiving?

00:12:01.820 Did they actually hearken back even at that time to the founding of the to the founding of the nation?

00:12:07.380 And that tie did that inform the Gettysburg address, which basically took place the week before is on the 19th, I believe, of November when he went to the actual he went to the actual cemetery himself.

00:12:19.820 It's really important to understand the greatness of Lincoln.

00:12:25.280 I know there's a lot of libertarians that don't like Lincoln because of his war administration and and how quasi dictatorial he was.

00:12:35.340 And his answer to that was always my goal is to keep the union together.

00:12:39.660 And if the people don't like it, they can vote me out.

00:12:42.200 But at the Gettysburg address, Lincoln did something that virtually no other president had done.

00:12:51.760 And that was he tied together explicitly the Declaration and the Constitution.

00:13:00.000 And that is he said that the Constitution had to be dedicated to a proposition.

00:13:06.640 The Constitution is no good if it's not dedicated to a proposition.

00:13:12.680 This is why so many written constitutions around the world are useless.

00:13:16.860 They're not dedicated to any proposition.

00:13:19.140 But ours was dedicated to the proposition that that our creator made man with certain unalienable rights.

00:13:27.440 And among these were the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

00:13:30.960 That is the purpose for which the Constitution exists, to guarantee those founding rights in the Declaration.

00:13:41.220 So, in a sense, Lincoln is passing that forward.

00:13:46.960 And he's saying, all right, so we're going back to the Revolution and then we're going back to the Constitution.

00:13:52.140 And now with this great war we have, we're going to pay tribute forward with Thanksgiving for all those things that we've gotten up to this time.

00:13:59.660 It's pretty genius the way he tied all these together.

00:14:04.800 Larry, hang on for one second.

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00:14:24.840 We're going to be back with our Thanksgiving special with Larry Swyker, the co-author of The Patriot's History of the United States.

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00:16:22.480 The color of blue in your sweet eyes, the sight of a high-balling train, the moon rise over a prairie, and oh, love that you've made new.

00:16:42.480 And this year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord he made you.

00:16:50.100 It's Thursday, the 24th of November, in the year of our Lord, 2022.

00:16:57.360 It's our Thanksgiving special, drawn by Larry Schweikert, the co-author of The Patriot's History of the United States.

00:17:03.920 Of course, many other books, but it was a seminal work, 5th edition, 34th printing.

00:17:10.840 And I think Larry's got a lot more books in him that I know he's working on.

00:17:13.520 Larry, you know, it's interesting, they had set up Thanksgiving to be the last Thursday, I think, or the fourth Thursday at that time.

00:17:22.560 I know they had to shift it.

00:17:24.540 And he had the Gettysburg Address at, I think the week before, it was on the 19th.

00:17:29.980 And, of course, the battle was the first, what, the second, the first, second, and third of July.

00:17:42.200 It's interesting, you talk about divisions in the country, and I've said this, I think, once in the show and a couple times in speeches.

00:17:47.520 You talk about divisions in the country and how divided the country was, you know, and they're, obviously, they're fighting a great civil war.

00:17:56.280 And by 1863, they knew they were into it, that this thing was not going to end quickly, and it was not going to end without a lot of blood.

00:18:04.040 But even the divisions within Washington and the divisions in the government and the divisions between the military and the government and factions in the military, people were at each other's throats.

00:18:17.580 And I always use a specific example.

00:18:20.440 When they relieved Hooker after Chancellorsville and Lincoln had just had enough, and he relieved Hooker, they had a huge debate about who was going to take the command.

00:18:34.040 And they finally made a decision after a late-night discussion, and they selected George Gordon Meade and Gordon to take over the Army of the Potomac.

00:18:42.720 This time, Lee's already coming up, you know, through Maryland into Pennsylvania, and they're swinging around.

00:18:49.320 What they're trying to do is hit Philadelphia and cause chaos in New York City and Philadelphia and surround Washington, D.C., Baltimore.

00:18:56.780 And they're heading to the Susquehanna River and Harrisburg, the capital.

00:19:00.260 And their advance guards, I think, Jubal Early and other units are already well ahead, well past Gettysburg.

00:19:08.800 And they make a decision.

00:19:11.760 And Meade is a corps commander, and he's in his tent.

00:19:14.660 I think it's 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:19:16.300 And he wrote a memoir that he put a letter in that he'd written his wife the day after he assumed command or a couple days after he assumed command.

00:19:28.460 And when the adjutant came to his tent at 1 in the morning and kind of, you know, knocked on it and pulled back the thing to wake Meade up, and Meade, I think, was only – the first corps was only, I think, 30 or 40 miles from the town of Gettysburg, the crossroads right there.

00:19:45.900 But he was just corps commander.

00:19:48.080 And they came in.

00:19:49.640 As he got out of bed and put his feet on the floor, he told his wife the very first thought that went through his mind is that he was being placed under arrest.

00:20:01.340 That he was going to be placed under arrest.

00:20:04.960 Because the tensions were so strong.

00:20:07.580 The backbiting was so strong.

00:20:09.580 They were so divided because, quite frankly, they had just had the tables run on them over and over and over again.

00:20:16.600 And Lincoln had come to wit's end.

00:20:18.300 George Gordon Meade did not want command of the Army of the Potomac at all.

00:20:22.960 He accepted it on the spot.

00:20:25.620 Basically, Lincoln signed it and it was an order.

00:20:28.080 It wasn't asking you, hey, come to Washington.

00:20:30.160 Let's have a meeting and talk about it.

00:20:32.000 They basically gave him the command right there and gave him a command to say, hey, there's an invasion going on, and you have to stop it.

00:20:37.460 But it shows you that was less than six months.

00:20:44.920 It's five and a half months until a day of national Thanksgiving on this great victory.

00:20:50.660 And I think that that speech and the reason, remember the speech, you had the famous orator who really, at Gettysburg, the vacation, he was there.

00:21:02.160 I think it was Everett, was one of the great orators of the day.

00:21:06.380 His speech at Gettysburg was almost three hours long, I think it was, two hours long.

00:21:11.300 Unbelievable.

00:21:11.900 He was the major thing to dedicate.

00:21:13.240 And he based his upon Pericles' speech to the Athenians about the Athenian war dead.

00:21:23.560 In fact, where Everett went through the entire battle and tied it back.

00:21:27.180 And if you read Everett's speech, it's very powerful.

00:21:29.560 Now, it's very long for current sensibilities, but he takes a very classic structure of probably the most famous speech or one of the most famous speeches in the Judeo-Christian West, and particularly in our tradition of liberty and democracy and freedom, this great speech that Pericles gave about the Athenian war dead and what they had died to defend.

00:21:50.260 Everett said the same thing.

00:21:52.160 And yet, Everett's not remembered at all.

00:21:55.240 Lincoln's was really an afterthought.

00:21:56.520 In fact, he was scribbling, he stayed at the hotel right there in the square, but he was scribbling up to the, on the train on the way up, kind of his thoughts on it.

00:22:03.940 He had thought about it a lot, reflected, but I think his speech, correct me if I'm wrong, is less than three minutes long.

00:22:08.880 And it captures not just the entire concept of the war, but really ties the nation back to its founding, and founding really the pilgrims, and obviously the revolution and all the great documents.

00:22:24.040 But that is, and then he decides right before then, you should have a national day of Thanksgiving.

00:22:30.880 Is that Thanksgiving, did that, obviously only a northern tradition, a northern tradition at the time, was that embraced by people immediately thereafter?

00:22:41.220 Is that we have to have a day of, a continual day of Thanksgiving to give Thanksgiving to God, to thank God?

00:22:46.720 It was a little tougher in the South, you know, the story that in the Spanish-American War, they had to appoint Governor General Wheeler, who was really quite old at the time, and was a Confederate general, in order to kind of unify the nation behind the war.

00:23:05.700 And it was a great shock to everybody when the U.S. troops on trains were going through the South to get down to Tampa to depart from the Spanish-American War in Cuba, that the people were coming out cheering them.

00:23:24.400 These were people who had hated the Yankee soldiers just a few years earlier.

00:23:29.560 But I want to take this a slightly different direction.

00:23:33.380 You know, Lincoln captures, he's going through these changes, and with the Gettysburg Address, he captures a change in the national thrust, the direction.

00:23:52.380 Because at that time, despite the fact that we had had an incredible victory, the Union had an incredible victory at Gettysburg and at Vicksburg the following day, July 4th, Lee got away, and his army got away.

00:24:10.480 And, you know, I thought you were going to say something to the effect of, look at how many generals Lincoln went through.

00:24:17.460 Because he goes through five or six generals, and it was very political, and he's constantly fighting against all these congressmen and other military guys who want the job.

00:24:28.000 Or, you've got to put my guy in charge.

00:24:29.700 It reminded me a lot of Trump and how President Trump was backstabbed constantly.

00:24:35.320 But it happened in Lincoln's time, too.

00:24:38.220 But the point I wanted to make—

00:24:39.820 Yeah, I did forget to add that Meade was fired.

00:24:42.880 Meade was essentially relieved for cause six months later because he did not crush the army in Northern Virginia after Gettysburg.

00:24:52.080 He didn't destroy the army, which is what Lincoln—

00:24:54.080 He had him pinned against the river.

00:24:56.500 He had him pinned against the river, and a storm came in and made it impassable for them.

00:25:01.840 All he had to do is move in, and he would have finished them off.

00:25:04.840 But the point I wanted to make is that Lincoln was also going through a personal growth during this time, spiritually.

00:25:15.020 And he had been quite a believer in his youth.

00:25:20.500 As you know, he studied the Bible when he would plow fields and things.

00:25:23.740 And no president has ever written using more biblical phrases and biblical phraseology than Abraham Lincoln has.

00:25:31.080 But in his 20s, early 20s, mid-20s, he not only departed, he became quite hostile to the Christian faith to the point that he was saying that they were a bunch of charlatans and so on and so forth.

00:25:46.360 What happens is that by the time the Civil War arrives, he's starting to move back to the Christian faith.

00:25:52.480 And while all this turmoil is going on, he's wondering, are we the Union going to win this war?

00:26:00.240 Is God on our side?

00:26:01.700 You know, is God on their side?

00:26:03.280 Whose side is God on?

00:26:04.800 He's going through a personal transformation.

00:26:07.080 And so I wanted to read this very short passage where he was talking to an Illinois clergyman.

00:26:14.820 And the clergyman said, do you love Jesus?

00:26:18.020 And Lincoln said, when I left Springfield, I asked the people to pray for me.

00:26:23.620 I was not a Christian.

00:26:25.320 When I buried my son, the severest trial of my life, I was not a Christian.

00:26:30.760 But when I went to Gettysburg and I saw the graves of those thousands of our soldiers, I then and there consecrated myself to Christ.

00:26:38.560 Yes, I love Jesus.

00:26:40.360 So Lincoln not only was going through national political turmoil at that time, he was going through personal spiritual turmoil where he was wrestling with, am I going to surrender to my life?

00:26:54.800 Larry, hang on for a second because I've never – give me that one again.

00:26:59.960 That's great.

00:27:00.480 I actually didn't know that.

00:27:01.500 I pride myself in knowing a lot about Lincoln, being from Richmond, Virginia, that, you know, Lincoln is – Lincoln and Lee are so giants when you're growing up.

00:27:13.860 Give me – we've got about a minute.

00:27:15.080 Can you read that section?

00:27:16.160 The phrase again is a clergyman from Illinois asked him, do you love Jesus?

00:27:21.240 And he said, when I went to Springfield, I asked the people to pray for me.

00:27:25.220 I was not a Christian.

00:27:26.700 When I buried my son, the severest trial of my life, I was not a Christian.

00:27:30.480 But when I went to Gettysburg and I saw the graves of thousands of our soldiers, I then and there consecrated myself to Christ.

00:27:37.780 Yes, I love Jesus.

00:27:39.760 And I can get you the footnote for that.

00:27:43.160 Wow.

00:27:44.000 I tell you what, let's take a break.

00:27:45.460 We're going to come back.

00:27:46.520 I want to come up to the current time, talk about the customs, traditions.

00:27:51.800 Have we lost – we talk about losing the meaning of Christmas.

00:27:54.940 Have we lost the true meaning of Thanksgiving and all the hustle and bustle that we're going about?

00:28:00.480 Larry Schweikert, the author of the seminal work, Patriot's History of the United States.

00:28:06.620 Fifth edition, 34th printing.

00:28:08.960 Not too shabby.

00:28:10.440 It's been in constant print since the day that he came out.

00:28:13.780 Short commercial break.

00:28:14.860 Back in a moment.

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00:29:31.740 And one of the hobbits is standing on the parapets and they're looking at this massive orc army.

00:29:37.280 And the hobbit looks up at him and he goes, so, you know, are we going to win?

00:29:43.280 And Gandalf says, no, probably not.

00:29:45.440 We're probably going to die.

00:29:46.500 But sometimes these are the kinds of battles that are the best to fight.

00:29:50.400 These are the ones you must fight.

00:29:52.320 And I think really Lincoln didn't know how things were going to turn out then.

00:29:56.400 People forget that a year after Gettysburg, some of the worst bloodletting in the entire Civil War occurred with Battle of the Crater and and some of the other attacks around the trench works at Richmond.

00:30:13.460 Just horrific bloodshed and Cold Harbor, for example.

00:30:19.700 So it was another year of solid combat before what really the the the Overland campaign with Grant had started right, you know, just heading down Route one or today, 95, you go from Spotsylvania to really where they had refought so many times.

00:30:36.700 And finally, a cold harbor, you know, they had a mutiny, you know, they didn't let the press there.

00:30:41.880 I think the seventh charge, it was in 17 minutes, they lost 7000 men or something in the seventh wave would not get out of the trenches.

00:30:49.800 They were just getting slaughtered so badly and they suppressed that from the press.

00:30:53.800 You know, Grant just was grinding it out, was going to break Lee's army, you know, in front of Richmond.

00:31:00.040 And then that siege, if it had not been for the fall of Atlanta.

00:31:03.520 Remember, Lincoln actually wrote up the remember the famous memo where he said, hey, it looks like we're going to be voted out of office.

00:31:10.900 And they talk about Trump and the insurrection.

00:31:14.660 Lincoln, you know, I think wrote the memo to the cabinet, say, hey, look, it looks pretty grim.

00:31:19.800 This is, I think, in August before Atlanta fell over on September 1st with Sherman.

00:31:25.760 That and I think he put the cabinet on notice to say, if we're voted out of office, you know, I've got to bring this thing to a conclusion.

00:31:35.460 And I think it was kind of open end about what he was when he was talking.

00:31:38.800 Are you going to leave on time?

00:31:39.980 I know the transition is not to March, but what does that mean?

00:31:43.180 No, Lincoln, and this I think the libertarians, you know, hating, but, and you said he was a quasi warlord.

00:31:49.340 I think he was a total warlord.

00:31:51.420 I mean, he ran this thing.

00:31:52.820 And remember, he didn't want to fight what Sherman and these guys told you, that the South, the Southern people had so much pride and so much toughness.

00:32:01.240 Even the people that were not involved in slavery at all, that Sherman told him, you're going to have to burn the Confederacy to the ground.

00:32:07.420 You're not going to, you're not going to be, you're not going to defeat armies and beat these people.

00:32:11.380 You're going to have to burn it to the ground.

00:32:12.920 And it ended up burning Columbia, South Carolina and Charleston and, of course, Atlanta and Richmond.

00:32:18.880 And they basically had to take the torch to the enemy to kind of break it.

00:32:24.740 But that's why I think the spiritual times of the Civil War are the greatest times in our history.

00:32:30.020 And it talks about Thanksgiving.

00:32:31.220 If you think about it, Larry, when you talk about the pilgrims, that was all struggle.

00:32:35.020 Yes, they had surplus.

00:32:36.080 I'm sure they had some good days.

00:32:38.540 But every day is just a heroic struggle to even survive on this foothold, this little teeny part of the coast, right, with this whole vast continent in front of it.

00:32:51.260 And a vast continent filled with a lot, you know, folks that were here and fighting each other all the time.

00:32:56.760 You know, the Indians in these different alliances and different constant wars they had going on, Tom, against each other, wars of conquest.

00:33:03.360 And then you look at the Civil War, the massive struggle of the Civil War.

00:33:07.380 And the Thanksgiving holiday really comes out.

00:33:09.980 This Thanksgiving is really, I think, embodied with the sense of American struggle and the thanks that comes on the other side of it.

00:33:20.040 Well, I don't I think this is important.

00:33:21.860 I don't think Lincoln was giving thanks for victory.

00:33:24.500 I think he was giving thanks for the nation and basically saying to God, you have your way with this nation.

00:33:33.480 If anything, and I kind of never thought about this before, but if anything, I think it was on that Thanksgiving that Lincoln basically handed the country over to God and say, it's in your hands from here on out.

00:33:45.960 We won these big victories.

00:33:47.480 It apparently isn't working.

00:33:50.440 What do we need to do?

00:33:52.860 Oh, tell me about that.

00:33:54.000 I think that's brilliant.

00:33:55.000 Tell me that's that's quite interesting.

00:33:57.340 It wasn't it wasn't thanks that we can see our way through this is thanks that just turn it over.

00:34:02.080 It's in God's hands in in where your instruments.

00:34:05.420 Right.

00:34:06.300 Right.

00:34:06.620 Well, you look at it.

00:34:07.800 You mentioned that Lee's army got away.

00:34:11.660 Yes, Vicksburg had fallen, but Atlanta was still there.

00:34:15.780 Charleston was still there.

00:34:17.200 Confederate Army of the West was still there.

00:34:21.040 We hadn't sealed off the Port of Mobile yet.

00:34:25.320 The Shenandoah Valley was still a breadbasket for the Confederates. 0.97

00:34:29.180 In other words, you know, I tell my students that you look at World War Two and the Battle of Midway.

00:34:37.540 And it's so interesting that after that point, the Japanese could not win. 0.94

00:34:42.860 They they couldn't win.

00:34:44.720 It was just out of the question they could win.

00:34:46.580 But we had three more horrific years of incredible bloodletting before we actually culminated and finished off that that victory.

00:34:56.880 Right. Just because you reach that tipping point doesn't mean that the the way down is it is is like straight downhill.

00:35:04.120 There's there's a lot of tough slogging.

00:35:06.000 And that's what happened after Gettysburg and Vicksburg.

00:35:08.740 I don't think the Confederates could have won.

00:35:10.920 The only thing that could have happened after that time would have been that Lincoln would have decided he needed to negotiate,

00:35:17.340 which, of course, what McClellan and all of the others wanted him to do.

00:35:22.260 And there's one other thing that I think we have to bring up here and in light of today.

00:35:27.400 And that is, did Lincoln make a big mistake in not totally banning the Democrat Party?

00:35:35.480 You should drop that bomb right there.

00:35:39.680 Let me ask you, have we lost? 1.00

00:35:43.080 Have we? We'll get to that or not.

00:35:44.800 Let's declare them a terrorist.

00:35:46.300 In another in another episode.

00:35:49.000 So you certainly might have some of the boardroom posse that would give thanks to that.

00:35:55.500 Is have we today?

00:35:58.240 With all of our abundance in technology and obviously agricultural abundance and all that,

00:36:03.540 and obviously in time of inflation and in a very bad economic times for people,

00:36:08.760 have we lost touch with Lincoln and the in our forefathers in the Civil War and the pilgrims in this post-industrial and let's call it what it is,

00:36:22.820 a post-Christian or what the mainstream media calls a post-Christian nation.

00:36:27.500 Have we lost contact?

00:36:30.620 And I mean real contact with the taproot of what makes this nation great.

00:36:35.680 It's interesting, Steve.

00:36:38.400 I've toyed with this idea that they've kind of made a deliberate effort to get rid of Thanksgiving.

00:36:43.960 You see fewer and fewer Thanksgiving decorations.

00:36:47.080 They they push Christmas now to before Thanksgiving.

00:36:51.960 They they have in this.

00:36:53.580 In other words, it kind of goes from Halloween to Christmas.

00:36:56.180 And they almost try to overlook Thanksgiving.

00:36:58.960 And I'm not sure if they see a strategy in that or not.

00:37:03.240 That's if that's deliberate or just a matter of the shopping calendar.

00:37:07.680 I'm not sure.

00:37:08.400 But anything that they do like that is suspicious.

00:37:11.100 But, yes, we're in a apparently a post-Christian nation.

00:37:14.440 You see the number of young churchgoers dwindling by the thousands.

00:37:21.440 It's it's not looking good.

00:37:23.100 And a lot of this has to do with the softness and the ease of which people have have had things.

00:37:29.780 I'm sure, you know, of of the bubble test by Charles Murray in his book Coming Apart.

00:37:39.580 And he has these 25 questions that you can answer.

00:37:42.480 Have you ever attended a parade that wasn't a climate parade or a gay rights parade?

00:37:47.200 Can you name these five military insignias?

00:37:49.900 How often have you eaten at a at a Chili's or an Applebee's?

00:37:53.820 Things like that.

00:37:54.520 And what's amazing is, is that we really are two nations.

00:37:59.500 We're a group of people who experience those things, know those things, have them as common experience.

00:38:04.720 And then we're a group of people who are just absolutely clueless.

00:38:08.400 What do you think it's going to take to, you know, we talk about and I say, hey, you know, we're in a fourth turning.

00:38:17.480 These two sides, these two groups on the bubble test or the politics of it.

00:38:21.640 It's. It's not negotiable.

00:38:25.820 I mean, I came out of the world of mergers and acquisitions and hostile takeovers, where eventually you got to get in a room and try to put a deal together.

00:38:32.940 And you always have to overlap those deals because they always kind of come apart.

00:38:36.400 So you always, you know, this is unbridgeable.

00:38:39.960 It's been unbridgeable before in American history.

00:38:42.800 And this is unbridgeable.

00:38:44.500 One side's got to win here and one side's got to lose.

00:38:46.840 Is that too is that too harsh of a way to think about it?

00:38:49.820 Is there enough of the common connective tissue back to our our our higher selves of our forefathers that could see us through this?

00:39:02.320 I don't think so anymore.

00:39:05.340 You go back to it.

00:39:07.240 I have friends who still want to refer to moderate Democrats.

00:39:10.420 Oh, these moderate Democrats will see how bad these people are and they will vote against them.

00:39:14.340 Well, they don't.

00:39:16.480 They don't.

00:39:17.520 There are no such things that I can find as moderate Democrats.

00:39:22.020 Kyrsten Sinema voted the right way, the common sense way on a couple of spending bills. 1.00

00:39:28.760 And she was just about ridden out of the party.

00:39:30.720 They think Joe Manchin is an absolute ogre.

00:39:34.420 And these guys are hardcore liberals.

00:39:36.320 They vote for abortion rights. 0.86

00:39:38.380 They vote for homosexual rights. 0.99

00:39:39.760 They just moved a little tiny bit to the left and they're being ridden out of town on a rail.

00:39:44.980 So I do think that we're back to a civil war point, maybe without the violence.

00:39:50.420 But one side of the other has to win this win this fight because there's no more reaching across the aisle.

00:39:55.940 There's no more doing what's best in the national interest.

00:39:59.440 You have to have each side say, I think this is what's best in the national interest.

00:40:03.360 I think this is what's best.

00:40:05.720 Let's go ahead and see who wins.

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00:44:07.640 Okay, welcome back.

00:44:08.780 It's our Thanksgiving special.

00:44:10.200 I really want to thank everybody for being a part of this.

00:44:13.120 Larry Zweikert, tell us, any new books coming out, anything you're working on before we wrap up here?

00:44:19.960 I've started a Patriot's History of Globalism, its rise and decline, and that's proving pretty interesting.

00:44:29.980 I also have – this will probably be free.

00:44:34.180 I've been working on America in the 21st century, which will be an extension of Patriot's History since they haven't decided to publish a new edition.

00:44:45.260 So, I don't want to leave people hanging.

00:44:48.600 So, I'm going to just put this out on my website.

00:44:50.740 The Patriot's History of the Modern World ends when? 0.54

00:44:55.340 2018.

00:44:57.020 No, I'm sorry, 2013.

00:44:58.760 2013.

00:45:00.640 2013.

00:45:01.300 So, it's before – you miss all of Trump.

00:45:03.580 Yeah.

00:45:04.300 The Patriot's History of Trump.

00:45:05.820 Well, the latest edition of Patriot's History goes through 2018.

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00:45:42.320 Larry, any closing thoughts?

00:45:44.680 Have you got a minute or two of closing thoughts about what people on this day of thanks to God Almighty should be thinking about?

00:45:52.800 Well, as much as we hate to think so sometimes, God's still in control, right?

00:45:58.020 And he doesn't always do things that I would have him do.

00:46:01.000 I would change a few elections.

00:46:02.340 My first prayer every day, Steve, is, God, thank you that you are God, and I am not.

00:46:08.720 Because there would be a lot of fried people walking around out there if I was in charge. 1.00

00:46:13.540 So, you know, we can't see the total future, but he can.

00:46:19.360 And so we just have to rely on that.

00:46:22.720 Well, it's every day.

00:46:23.860 And remember, God works through human agency.

00:46:25.820 What we try to do as a show is to make sure that we inform and empower folks.

00:46:30.820 And so we'll continue on.

00:46:32.360 I want everybody to make sure that, Larry, thank you so much for taking this time away to do all this.

00:46:37.640 And the books are fantastic.

00:46:39.280 I go to the wild world of history.

00:46:40.560 I want to make sure we'll put the links up so that everybody can get this amazing special.

00:46:45.980 You've got, what, $114 to get all those books.

00:46:48.200 It's just incredible.

00:46:49.600 Larry Swiker, co-author of The Patriot's History of the United States.

00:46:52.300 Thank you so much for spending part of your Thanksgiving with us.

00:46:55.880 Thank you, Steve.

00:46:57.960 I want to thank everybody out there.

00:46:59.720 Make sure you have a fantastic Thanksgiving with family, friends, or however you celebrate it and honor it.

00:47:08.120 And I want to thank everybody in the team here that helps put together Real America's Voice, of course, our tremendous production team at the War Room.

00:47:15.360 And for all of our audiences there for us and our sponsors, I want to thank everybody that helps make this show so special.

00:47:22.540 Particularly, I have always loved, I think the last couple of years, I don't know if it was Dan Fluitt, a senior producer or myself.

00:47:28.860 I'll take credit that I found the Johnny Cash song.

00:47:32.100 But it's really been quite special.

00:47:34.960 And we're very honored to play it.

00:47:37.600 I think there's no more American original than Johnny Cash.

00:47:41.060 And so we always start our Thanksgiving special with this very special song.

00:47:46.440 And we always end our Thanksgiving special with this very special song.

00:47:51.040 So we'll be back tomorrow morning.

00:47:53.860 This afternoon will be a replay of this.

00:47:56.200 We'll be back tomorrow morning.

00:47:57.520 We'll get into all of it and pick things back up where he left off.

00:48:00.960 Until then, thank you very much for joining us on our Thanksgiving special.

00:48:04.760 And we're going to end with Johnny Cash's Thanksgiving song.

00:48:08.140 We've come to the time and the season when family and friends gather near.

00:48:22.120 To offer a prayer of thanksgiving for blessings we've known through the years.

00:48:31.720 To join hands and thank the Creator now when thanksgiving is due.

00:48:41.220 And this year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:48:50.820 And this year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:49:00.100 I'm grateful for the laughter of children, the sun and the wind and the rain, the color of blue in your sweet eyes,

00:49:18.240 The sight of a high ball and the rain, the moon rise over a prairie, and oh love that you've made new.

00:49:30.840 And this year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:49:40.140 And this year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:49:49.880 And when the time comes to be going, you won't be in sorrow and tears.

00:50:04.680 I'll kiss you goodbye and I'll go on my way, grateful for all of the years.

00:50:13.980 I'm thankful for all that you gave me, for teaching me what love can do.

00:50:23.280 And thanksgiving day for the rest of my life, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:50:32.280 And thanksgiving day for the rest of my life, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

00:50:42.280 And thanksgiving day for the rest of my life, I'm thanking the Lord He made you.

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Bannon's War Room - November 24, 2022

Episode 2327： WarRoom： A Thanksgiving Special Cont.

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