Episode 2338: Breaking Down Voter Fraud; The Threats In Mohave County
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In this episode of the Wall Street Journal's newest podcast, we discuss the collapse of the U.S. housing market, the political situation in Pennsylvania, the impending recession, and the collapse in China and Russia. We also discuss the latest jobs report from ADP, the yield curve inverted, and much more!
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this is the final scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going with evil on
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these people you're just not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you've tried to do everything
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in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
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like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people
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had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my
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country this country will be saved war here's your host stephen k bannett it's wednesday 30 november
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the year of our lord 2022 we've got capital markets geopolitics the politics of pennsylvania
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arizona ballot harvesting uh the coercive nature of the process out in arizona all of it plus we're
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going to get to ukraine russia china what's happening in beijing and brazil on the next two hours so
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strap in i want to start with steve cortez we're gonna go to georgia john ferguson join us in a
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moment uh we've got a brain analysis of ballot harvesting in delaware county that did not certify
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their election uh in pennsylvania commonwealth of pennsylvania we're gonna go to arizona uh with the
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officials out there that are saying they're being coerced to into um certifying the election so we've
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got a lot of a lot of wood to chop and some quite controversial topics to address cortez um the wall
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street journal want to really give a hat tip to the wall street journal and to uh rupert murdoch and that
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crack team they finally caught up with the uh the war room six months later in particular i think
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that i think they're so upset that we focused we featured yesterday so treasury yield curve inverts
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to deepest level since 1981 right and yesterday a couple people were wanting to mean that is it hey
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it's a little dry start with cortez going through the thing and but overwhelmingly the audience loved
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it because they know it's going to impact their life right walk me through walk me through the wall
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street journal catching up with this and of course ladies and gentlemen we told you this is all going
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to start to manifest itself into numbers in employment and wages and all of it and surprise
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surprise who would have thunk it steve cortez it is take it away sir no it's it's starting to happen
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regarding the wall street journal steve imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so welcome to the
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party wall street journal you're extremely late but better late than never we've of course been
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talking about the yield curve for many many months and what a foreboding sign it is the u.s first now
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the global yield curve inverted i also want to get ahead of the curve for the audience here and let
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them know not just the yield curve but ahead of the curve of the news flow and information and
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economics to tell them that inflation is still a really important story but it's transitioning now
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into the recession that the inflation has caused and so i think we should shift our thinking
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inflation still matters but the looming recession and particularly looming job losses are going to
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matter more in the coming months so just as we were ahead talking about the inflation that would
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explode because of biden's policies and we were very early on that i think we can be early as well
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on talking about the deepening recession and the massive looming job losses that are going to unfold
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and this again not just my opinion we got two data points overnight which were really foreboding the
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first one we'll talk more about this later in the show out of china china pmi purchasing managers
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index both on the manufacturing and the services side in recessionary contraction territory below 50
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both of them were very very big misses the combination of a weak u.s consumer on this side of the pacific
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and the zero covid tyranny on their side of the pacific have resulted in a chinese economy that is
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crashing into the ditch but the problems aren't of course contained to china here in the united states
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this morning we got really bad jobs news out on the adp private payrolls number we can show it
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please on chart number one because again i like data and evidence not just sloganeering if we look at
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this chart that goes back to the beginning of the biden term this is private payrolls from adp it was a
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massive miss out this morning as you can see like so many economic metrics biden was given a great
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handoff from donald trump look at that up arrow in the first several months of the biden regime's
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term in office the handoff from the trump boom 2.0 was magnificent we had an economy that was
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aggressively reopening without inflation but biden quickly squandered that wonderful inheritance and it
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has been a downward trajectory ever since and the worst detail of this report out this morning
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manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing jobs down 100 000 positions 100 000 workers for
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the month so that this is these are the consequences of the inflation that joe biden has wrought the
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inflation has tipped the economy because of higher interest rates of the inflation produced has tipped the
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economy into a significant recession and one that is now producing real job losses tangible job losses for the
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american people okay i want to go back because these are high value added jobs also in the adp report
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the day report also wages or is this the 20th month or the 21st month that we still have
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a negative real wage growth or is adp not cover that because i saw some wage
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yeah they do now typically when i talk about the consecutive i rely on the cpi report but yes this also
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certainly points to a 20th consecutive month for now i'm going to stick with 19 which is terrible enough i got
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uh 19 consecutive but as an indicator but as an indicator they're giving the indication when the
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cbi comes out that'll be this will be the 20th month my point is wages are not keeping up and now
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you get the double whammy which we said was going to happen when the biden was given all the happy
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talk and they run up to the midterms you know tightest job market in history tightest job market in
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history a lot of that's because people work in two two and three jobs right to make sure that they can
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put food on the table not run up any more credit card debt i want to go back to the manufacturing
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jobs and this is key to pennsylvania and all the upper middle what these this is the heart of the
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nation of these manufacturing jobs these are these are higher value added they're not service jobs this
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is the type of thing that you can support a family on or attempt to support a family in this day in time
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of inflation how big a deal is this oh listen i mean it's massive and and you're right these are
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high income family sustaining jobs uh when you combine that loss in manufacturing with with what
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we've already seen in tech over 120 000 jobs lost in tech this year also high uh salary jobs high value
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add positions for the american economy uh this is unfortunately a trend that is only beginning and
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here's the thing too i wrote a new article about this which the audience can find on my sub stack if
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they care to read the details i do believe that inflation may have peaked now importantly that doesn't
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mean that inflation is going to get better right it means it's just going to be less bad less severe in
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terms of inflation but if it has indeed peaked steve it has only peaked for the worst of all reasons
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because we have such a deepening recession and we're going to have such severe job losses that it is going
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to be a restraining force on prices prices are going to remain very high very elevated but they're not
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going to continue at the upward trajectory they had before but again not for the right reasons for all the
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wrong reasons the inflation has now caused the recession has caused the beginning of massive job
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losses which in turn will cause inflation to at least temper a bit from here but again this is this
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is by no means good news for the american economy let's go to uh also i want to show a little ankle on
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today obviously the the fed the big day for the fed uh what do you anticipate because listen they're
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trying to choke down the inflation this is both monetary and fiscal policy trying to get coordinated
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right the fiscal madness when we say fiscal this is the spending and right now in capitol hill you
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have this huge battle and mitch mcconnell said yesterday oh i'm going to work with the democrats
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to get an omnibus we need to put this to bed and not just have a continued resolution kicks into the
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year when we actually have total control in the house um you see and actually kevin mccarthy yesterday
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very disappointing i remember it was congressman norman from south carolina said hey i asked him
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does he support this balanced budget in seven years said no he doesn't mccarthy yesterday i think
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showed the cards you know he's been having a good run trying to show conservatives in the house
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freedom caucus and particularly this audience that he's going to be tough but he said he he threw in
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with the omnibus right that means he doesn't want to have tough votes in the beginning of the year we
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need tough votes we need to force the biden administration to the table to be actually get
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to control the spending because the spending is what put put uh through um jet fuel onto this
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burning dumpster fire right right and and that's one of the biggest reasons so the fed today walk
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through the apparatchik pow uh today what is he going to do and by the way that's what powell is you know
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look unfortunately powell is exhibit a among a lot of bad exhibits of the failure of the supposed
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experts of the credentialed class of permanent washington uh who have great cvs they have great
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resumes but they actually have no real knowledge of their area of supposed expertise in this case the
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economy from jerome powell jerome powell is a washington dc lifer born and raised there he is a
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lawyer by trade he has never worked in financial markets he did a stint at carlisle in the private
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equity world but the reality is only in a town like washington dc could somebody as untalented and
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unremarkable as jerome powell become as powerful as he has become he's speaking this afternoon 1 30 p.m
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eastern time i expect him to mostly strike a hawkish tone meaning that insisting that the fed needs to
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continue to raise interest rates the reason i say that is his colleagues on the federal reserve uh board
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the fomc that determines interest rates they have been incredibly blunt and hawkish particularly bullard
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who over the weekend warned financial markets that they are actually underpricing the risks of the fed
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being incredibly aggressive so i think the fed has finally found religion on inflation an inflation
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crisis that it's itself helped to create it deserves a a massive portion of the blame for this along
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with a profligate congress and then the democrat party um but look powell i will i will tell you this
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harry truman uh steve used to say that he wanted a one-arm economist because he was sick of economists
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saying on the one hand on the other hand okay powell is the master of that he'll give us a lot of on the
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one hand on the other hand this afternoon but on balance it will be more hawkish than not because
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the fed realizes finally at last the gravity of the crisis that they themselves helped to create
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okay steve you're gonna hang around with me for the first hour so we got a lot to go through i want
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to go let's go to john fredericks we have him up in georgia we don't okay fine if we don't okay fine
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let's go to john fredericks john you're on the uh you're on the uh the the bus down in georgia
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is uh if herschel walker wins this people have to understand the gravity of the situation you get a
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power sharing deal at 50 50 which is radically different than if you got uh 51 49 also if you
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get 50 50 who knows maybe you talk mansion and one of these guys in the flipping that don't want to
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get uh you know don't want to lose the 2024 race where do we stand with herschel walker
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well the other thing steven you nailed it people saying well it doesn't matter the democrats have
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control it matters a lot you're right 50 50 power share share big difference on the committees
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and you mentioned joe mansion even if he doesn't flip if you're 50 50 you know mansion's up in 24
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west virginia trump got what 75 of the vote there he's got nowhere to hide at 51 49 he can have show
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votes go with us 50 times it doesn't matter because harris breaks the tie right so it also
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makes joe mansion has to man up and give real votes in real time so that's the other thing and the third
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thing is it's one less seat obviously we have to win to get control in 24 but look uh going into
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wednesday today herschel's behind my estimates by about 200 000 votes the good news is we you know
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we're out here on the bus door all we're interested now is ballots i'm in the ballot business i got out
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of the voting business after november 8th i'm out of the convincing business the narrative business i'm
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i'm in the i'm in the ballot business i just want to put ballots in boxes that's how they win that's
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how we're gonna win uh walker had a great two days monday and tuesday getting early ballots in
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in uh republican areas we had record turnout so he's cutting into that deficit but what really hurt him
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here is the steve the incompetence of the republican national committee is beyond the pale you can't
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make this up if i submitted this movie script to you when you were a director and producer you would
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have sent it back to me and said fredericks i can't even do this it's so stupid nobody would believe it
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so what the democrats what the republicans did the democrats wanted to start early voting here
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a week ago wednesday the republicans wanted to start it on monday the democrats also wanted early
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voting on saturday so the republicans file suit they don't want to do it a judge rules in the
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democrats favor then the republicans turn around at the rnc with their loser lawyers and they file a
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number of appeals well this goes on for two weeks finally a judge rules in the democrats favor but the
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republicans had no contingent contingency plan so starting on wednesday last week wednesday and saturday
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right and then he had thursday and friday to set this up so they had a four-day head start all the
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major democrat counties were open for early voting and none of the republicans were because they didn't
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have the staff they didn't have a contingency plan they didn't set anything up they had nothing so
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they didn't start early voting until monday so warnock got this humongous start on saturday
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there were three-hour lines in his biggest counties steve and so that's how warnock now
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has a major lead because ron or romney mcdaniel once again screwed it up and here we are playing
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catch up hang on for one second we're gonna go back to georgia with john frederick's we've got a
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very special guest that's going to walk us through the ballot business as john frederick calls it in the
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commonwealth of pennsylvania we're gonna go to arizona we've got breaking news out of arizona
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and uh we've got steve cortez we're packed this morning georgia and pennsylvania next in the world
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up our fathers and brothers and now the democrat party is coming for your kids democrat senator rafael
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into a girl on december 6 stop rafael walnot from creeping on your kids okay that's some of these
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tough ads that laura loomer and her group are putting up in georgia very tough but this is we're beyond
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policy on this right now fredericks i think you're this is all about this is pure political muscle who's
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going to turn out votes via ground game i don't think it's about ads right it's about ground game
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and my understanding is that the kemp uh governor kemp supposedly has the greatest turnout machine
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finely tuned in georgia history you saw part of that in the beatdown of stacy abrams by what eight
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nine points um and supposedly that was that was part of this massive mitch mcconnell carl rove
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money raise was to rent that and use it as a stand-up operation this is all about get out the vote
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we got to pull another youngkin where maga has to turn out massively uh for walker to win and walker
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must win we got to get to a 50 50 senate to get leverage remember the word leverage we got leverage
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in the house we need leverage in the senate tell me about the ground game do you see it is it happening
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and how does john fredericks in the war room help well listen the best thing that we can do is what
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we're doing right now on our bus store go to magabusstore.com we're in early voting areas in the
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biggest areas that we have to get trump voters out because you know the bottom line is 200 000 people
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voted for kemp for kemp in november 8th didn't vote for herschel for whatever reason that that number
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is real and we have to deal with that so look here's the good news um our message is resonating
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of get out and vote and vote early and get your vote in now i think people understand that uh they
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have to get out and vote so walker's had a great two days monday and tuesday were phenomenal with record
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numbers of people turning out in red areas so we're very encouraged by that but look we we're in a big hole
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and we have to understand we can't wait till game day if we do we're going to get beat again it's
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not even going to be close we got to get these early votes in so anybody that's out there right
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now you have a friend you have a family member in georgia get them out get them out today get them
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out thursday get them up right don't wait till tuesday too many things happen on friday at 5 p.m
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it's done no more early voting and then you know you gotta have the the the mail-out ballots coming in
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we have to deal with that and we have to have the game day turnout but everybody that votes early is a
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phone call that the republican party doesn't have to make on game day to get you out to vote
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that's really what the key is we're in that we're in the ballot business i'm going to say it again
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because we really have to understand the business we're in get the ballots in put them in a dropbox
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that's what we have to do in order to pull this out we're behind it's winnable uh but we're closing
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and it's a muscle by the way two days you sound like the godfather muscle the business we've chose this
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is the business we've chosen john frederich real quickly how do they how they get to you on social media
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how they follow the bus non-stop go to megabusstore.com come out sign the bus we get big crowds
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wherever you do sign the bus get your ballot in sign the bus and vote sign the bus and vote that's
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all we ask go to megabusstore.com you want to help us out with a donation we always appreciate that
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this thing is on a string so uh we need all the help that we can get also you can follow me on social
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media at jf radio show at jf radio show cory lewandowski interesting today gets on my show
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on um rav and uh came pretty close to announcing a run for chair of the rnc the more candidates we get
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in mike lindell lewandowski the better we need change at the rnc steve the incompetence there is
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like if she was in a public company ron mcdonald ram today they would bring in security with a box
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put her pictures in and escort her out and throw her on an uber that's how bad this thing is they
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are so incompetent beyond the pale we need change my strong my strong recommendation to cory who's a
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great guy sort yourself out first before you try to sort the orange say but it's a free country anybody
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can run john fredericks thank you very much for my morning laughter thank you sir okay i want to go
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talk john fredericks says hey i'm in the ballot business not the vote business i want to go to
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athan uh kutsarombas in pennsylvania one of the smartest analytical guys had him on the show before
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uh athan uh you've you've written this twitter feed i don't know if you put it into an article but
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you wrote a twitter uh thread yesterday about delaware county now correct me if i'm wrong has
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delaware county certified the vote in the commonwealth of pennsylvania by the recent election
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or are they hesitating about it what's the status of actually the certification
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luzerne county in northeast pennsylvania that is the county that has yet to certify because
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on election day they ran out of ballots and thousands of voters were turned away
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so how did that how did that happen had luzerne was the centerpiece the center of this huge fight
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how did they run out of ballots uh it's steve i wish i knew you know that is ground zero for
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mega country that is where the trump democrats live um and they just flat out ran out of ballots
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it's hard to come up with an excuse for that so talk to us about your your twitter thread i want to
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talk about this whole issue of early ballots mail-in ballots ballot harvesting etc walk us through
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your analysis of this because pennsylvania is still the key that picks the lock and we have massive
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problems out in arizona but walk me through your analysis of pennsylvania i like a lot of people
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steve was pretty bullish on pennsylvania's midterm in november uh the reason i was was because you look
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at the national environment and you say wow how can anybody vote for two more years of this but what
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also got me uh optimistic was looking at the mail-in ballot returns across pennsylvania and i saw that
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the democrats were underperforming their anticipated mail-in ballot returns and i said okay the
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democrats have have a depressed turnout as well ultimately things didn't go the right way in
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pennsylvania and the reason was because republicans didn't vote but what i wanted to do was prove a
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point with how the democrats do mail-in balloting across pennsylvania to show that we can beat them
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at their own game and on top of that pennsylvania is still a purple state and mail-in ballots is not the
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reason pennsylvania went blue this past midterm so walk me through that walk me through how they do
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a better how we can do a better why that why we didn't lose because of that yeah so what i did was
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i took every single democratic voter in pennsylvania who applied to vote by mail and who also returned
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their ballot i did it in all 67 of pennsylvania's counties and then i plotted it on a chart just because
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i wanted to see how do people apply and how do they return their ballots in 66 of pennsylvania's 67
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counties there was a clear trend two-thirds of democrats apply to vote by mail in the spring
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and one-third of democrats apply to vote by mail in the fall the reason it breaks down like that is
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because the pennsylvania mail-in ballot law mandates that each of pennsylvania's counties send a mailing
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to prior mail-in voters asking if they want to do it again so you've got close to a million democrats
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received a taxpayer paid for mailing asking them do you want to vote by mail again and a whole bunch of
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them said yeah i'd like to do that what the democrats did is they would then chase that taxpayer mailer
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with a text a robocall a digital ad so two-thirds come during the spring the remaining third of
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applications come during the fall and that's just because it's the fever pitch of the campaigns and
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voters are saying i want to vote by mail but there was one county that stood out and that county was
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delaware county which was a prior republican stronghold in suburban philadelphia and today it's
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part of the democratic base what made them so unique is that of these 67 counties in pennsylvania
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66 of them had almost no activity throughout the summer however in delaware county they saw the
00:24:34.280
majority of their applications happen during the summer and you have to ask yourself why the first
00:24:40.560
thing you want to do is try to establish was there any fraud steve there is no evidence of any fraud
00:24:46.600
that i've seen in delaware county in order to commit mail and ballot fraud you can do it in two places
00:24:52.420
number one is that when you apply to vote by mail you have to provide either your social security or
00:24:59.420
driver's license number now we don't have voter id when you walk into a poll in pennsylvania but you
00:25:05.340
need voter id to vote by mail so you need someone that builds a list somehow steals a whole bunch of
00:25:12.500
driver's license numbers submits an application without a voter's knowledge and then completes them
00:25:17.760
that didn't happen the second way you can have fraud is if there's some type of conspiracy in a
00:25:23.720
courthouse to not count ballots i've seen no evidence of that in delaware county ultimately what
00:25:29.760
the democrats did is exactly what republicans used to do prior to the pandemic we used to have
00:25:35.900
coordinated campaigns to get republicans to vote by mail the way we did that is we mailed everybody
00:25:42.380
an application and we would chase it with a phone call what the democrats did is their candidates at
00:25:48.840
the state house level and elsewhere would go to door to door and carry an application with them
00:25:54.340
and say please fill out this application to vote and mail it in there's nothing wrong with that that's
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just great get out the vote efforts that we've gotten away from in pennsylvania for the past two years
00:26:05.760
and we need to get back to basics if we do that hang on you say there's no fraud because i know
00:26:11.720
there's a big controversy in delaware county we're going to try to get some of these folks on tonight
00:26:15.280
to go through it you say you need a social security number and a or a driver's license number how do
00:26:24.220
you know that there is no voter fraud and i want to talk about the signature verification on that but
00:26:29.060
just on the application itself you're saying you would either have to get a huge grunge of social
00:26:34.680
security numbers or driver's licenses in order to effectuate the fraud at that level
00:26:39.760
steve 100 unless somebody somehow finds a way to tap into the pennsylvania department of
00:26:46.820
transportation database to steal thousands of driver's license numbers they're just not going
00:26:51.800
to be able to pull it off and each county is mandated to check that number on the application
00:26:57.480
against the database in pennsylvania or else that that person can't vote by mail it's that simple it's
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it's baked in voter id that republicans have been begging for in pennsylvania for years and voter
00:27:09.260
id is an 80 20 issue in pennsylvania we have it today with mail-in ballots and republicans need
00:27:15.820
to start using it let me just go back i'll tell you what we we're going to take a break can you hang
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over i just want to stay on delaware county for a second um we're going to take a short commercial
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break we're going to return we're going to pennsylvania we're also going to go to arizona
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uh steve cortez is still with us we got a lot to get through in the rest of this hour and i commit
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pennsylvania so i understand the audience i've got it people's heads are blowing up take a deep breath
00:29:29.460
it's the first step of a journey uh and we're going to have you back on by the way you're one
00:29:34.860
of the top analytical guys we've had you on before you're one of the top analytical guys and have been
00:29:38.580
in the commonwealth for many many years i just want to go back because time i've got to get to arizona
00:29:43.600
but athen at least for this inaugural launch i want you to go back and tell our audience how did
00:29:51.740
delaware county because let's let me be blunt unless you get delaware county back into the red
00:29:57.360
category that it needs to be right and start really having ballots and up in lucerne and northeast
00:30:03.340
up around scranton get that mess assorted we're not going to be winning pennsylvania let me just be
00:30:08.520
blunt okay you can't offset what they're doing in philadelphia right with as many votes in the in
00:30:14.380
the heartland of of pennsylvania which is fabulous and even out west and some of the trump country so
00:30:20.500
how did delaware county go from being solidly red to now kind of solidly purple or even slightly blue
00:30:30.020
how did that happen steve i could spend an hour talking about that delaware county is a suburban
00:30:35.660
county right outside of philadelphia on the western border of philadelphia it was so solidly republican
00:30:41.720
that there were books written about republican politics in delaware county there used to be jokes
00:30:47.700
that if you wanted to have your trash picked up in delaware county you needed to be registered
00:30:51.480
republican over time there was an exodus of people from philadelphia specifically moving out of west
00:30:57.920
philadelphia and into delaware county and the delaware county republican machine did their best to
00:31:03.640
explain the reason delaware county is safe the reason delaware county is prosperous is because we have
00:31:09.680
a set of republican values here and please vote for those republican values by voting for republican candidates
00:31:16.560
and the delaware county republican party was able to hold the line way longer than anybody thought that
00:31:22.420
they could have but our challenge has been is that we've got to identify candidates who have the ability
00:31:29.500
to bring the big tent and that's not about becoming a moderate that's not about becoming a rhino that is
00:31:35.880
about being a conservative and communicating it well so what's happened is that while the republican party
00:31:42.060
in delaware county still can do a great job in certain places uh the democrats have taken over
00:31:48.840
the majority of state house seats and state house seats is how you organize at the basic level in
00:31:53.980
pennsylvania and their candidates are workers they're going to knock on the doors and delaware county is a
00:31:59.760
place that's very walkable they're willing to put in the elbow grease to to do the types of changes that
00:32:05.080
they've made so it's a big deal uh we've got to find ways to compete and in bucks county where i live
00:32:10.880
we found that model it is the blue collar conservative model and we've wrapped ourselves in it
00:32:17.120
and we have a strong manufacturing base here in the lower part of our county and and we we roll with it
00:32:23.160
we the realignment of the republican party to being a workers party a populist party that flies in in
00:32:30.600
bucks county it flies throughout pennsylvania that's a message we need to bring the delaware county
00:32:35.000
just last thing how did this republican the mail-in ballot fiasco in in uh in um pennsylvania
00:32:42.500
the last thing we only got about a minute how did the republican legislature
00:32:46.540
get in back of this because 2020 and now 2022 and looking forward i mean we've got a mess in
00:32:52.560
pennsylvania we got to sort out how did a republican legislature approve that so statesmen refer to them
00:33:00.280
as agreements right they they made a trade the trade was we will make an agreement to remove
00:33:06.300
straight party voting in exchange for mail-in balloting the belief was that getting rid of
00:33:12.540
straight party voting would be able to bring more republican votes in philadelphia and the city of
00:33:18.240
pittsburgh in exchange for that we got mail-in ballots now the how do you test that theory in 2020
00:33:25.440
president trump lost pennsylvania but two republicans won statewide office that we hadn't won in nearly 20
00:33:32.820
years so there may be validation to that theory i think what the republicans who voted for this bill
00:33:39.140
never imagined was a global pandemic that would have one party adopt mail-in ballots at an incredible
00:33:46.140
rate while republicans were discouraged from using it republicans used to be the masters
00:33:51.000
at voting by mail it's also it's also as you know we're the centerpiece of president trump did not
00:33:57.200
in fact did not lose pennsylvania he won but it's because of the mail-in ballots and particularly
00:34:02.140
signature verification all of it okay athen um you've done an amazing job we want to get you back on here
00:34:08.240
because this is we got if we don't sort of pennsylvania there's not gonna i don't care who you run
00:34:13.140
in 2024 right donald trump uh our strong belief is going to be win the primary and win the presidency but
00:34:18.760
i gotta tell you this is pennsylvania's key your analysis is is is quite interesting i want to make
00:34:23.780
sure everybody were to put the twitter up how do people follow you because you're going to pick up
00:34:27.660
a lot of followers today and guess what all of them are not going to be fans okay at least at first
00:34:33.320
i can already tell from the live chat you're going to have some you're going to have some challenges
00:34:37.660
here but that's good you're you're a very tough and smart guy uh where they go to get you
00:34:42.540
i'm on twitter at athen underscore k a-t-h-a-n underscore k
00:34:49.220
athen thank you very much for coming back on the show appreciate look forward to having you back on
00:34:54.580
i want to thank alexander preate and jack basovic for tutoring me for 24 hours on how to pronounce
00:35:00.840
uh athen's name so thanks got through that one um let's go out to arizona mojave county
00:35:07.040
supervisor ron gould can we play uh can we go ahead and play the clip for us i want to introduce
00:35:12.160
ron to the clip um i vote i under duress um i found out today that i have no choice but to vote i
00:35:20.560
or i'll be arrested in charge of the felony um i don't think that that is what our founders had in
00:35:26.100
mind when they use the democratic process to elect our leaders our self former self-government i find
00:35:32.280
that very disheartening with your vote of four eyes and zero nays you've approved item 1b anything
00:35:42.020
else for the good of the order we're adjourned okay welcome back for the good of the order ron
00:35:48.980
gould if first off tell me about mojave county uh you know arizona is one of the most stunningly
00:35:53.880
beautiful states in america does tourism from all over the world people come here absolutely
00:35:58.720
jaw-dropping beauty and it's kind of this vast wilderness that's still uh arizona what tell us
00:36:05.440
about what mojave county how big is it how many folks what do you guys do tell me about the county
00:36:11.000
good morning steve mojave county is the fifth largest county in the united states um founded by
00:36:17.600
the colorado river um it is beautiful and it's a outstanding landscape um it's awesome mojave county
00:36:26.000
is pretty much of a rural county the the three main cities that are in mojave county is king
00:36:30.980
bullhead city and lake avasoo city um and it's a solid red county we vote 70 to 75 percent republican
00:36:39.180
it's it's big trump country big maga you have to be a hardy type to live in mojave county right you're
00:36:46.340
not it's people that are people that are pioneer spirit correct correct correct and you'd be amazed at
00:36:53.640
the number of trunk flags that are still flying in uh lake avasoo city in particular and uh an
00:36:59.960
expletive biden flags they're coming in a close second so so so mojave county is massive fifth
00:37:06.140
largest county in the united states of america bigger than many countries not not hugely populated
00:37:12.920
but populated by this kind of hardy uh conservative frontier type um uh you know the backbone of the
00:37:20.320
country this is the salt of the earth in this county a sir you know i've i've watched uh you
00:37:25.840
know been involved in news for i don't know 10 or 15 years now made films before that been all over
00:37:30.960
the world i don't actually ever remember and maybe it's out there and i have the audience send it to
00:37:37.100
me uh a public official stating what was stated into the microphone yesterday about to be in the
00:37:44.560
threat in a democracy being threats arrested can you walk me through what what's that about what
00:37:48.980
happened on this certification process in mojave county yeah what we were doing is called canvassing
00:37:55.420
the election which meant that we were going to accept the results from mojave county's elect not
00:38:01.080
maricopa county's election where phoenix is where they had a ton of problems um our election officials
00:38:06.620
do a solid job of running our elections our elections are fair and honest and transparent so we were
00:38:12.360
approving mojave county's canvass we had postponed the canvas till the very last day just to give
00:38:19.820
everybody more time to do their research and whatnot on any potential challenges and the attorney that
00:38:26.740
was staffing the board of supervisors meeting uh told us if we were to vote no on the canvas that we
00:38:33.860
would be subject to criminal penalties and to me that that just blew my mind if i have the ability to vote
00:38:40.640
yes or no but you're going to arrest me if i vote no that's just not how we do it here in america but
00:38:47.020
apparently it's how we're doing it now in arizona so this who was the attorney who did he who'd the
00:38:53.080
attorney represent he represent the the supervisors or he represent the state no he's the he's an attorney
00:38:59.640
for the county attorney's office and he's the representative for the board of supervisors and he was not
00:39:05.940
making a threat he was informing us of what of what we could uh be up against if we chose to not approve
00:39:13.080
the canvas the other issue with if we didn't approve the canvas then um the candidates in arizona could
00:39:21.200
not challenge the vote it's just a strange way that it lays out and then if we didn't take our votes out of
00:39:29.600
the mix this this is that you got to certify that you called a canvas you got to certify the vote
00:39:35.360
to then contest the election this is controversy with kerry lake let me ask you did you get a chance
00:39:40.840
i know monday you were in these did you get a chance to see any of the activity of citizens
00:39:45.620
testifying in front of maricopa county and what's your assessment of what happened in maricopa county
00:39:51.300
i did see that and from my statements about maricopa county i am not on the christmas card list of
00:39:58.700
any maricopa county supervisors anymore um they've done a terrible job of handling their elections for
00:40:04.820
the last three election cycles they haven't seen you would think they would learn from the first
00:40:09.480
poorly run one but they just don't seem to learn how to run an election properly i guess we need to
00:40:13.820
send some of our officials from up here down there and help them
00:40:16.840
so ron um given the fact that you guys run them transparent and uh and i realize it's a much
00:40:25.560
smaller place but you run them transparently and in fairly um is this your view is this incompetence
00:40:33.140
or is it malfeasance is this level of implosion on election day understanding that trump voters are
00:40:40.320
because of concerns they've got with the counting process and the mail-in ballot process and the
00:40:45.440
algorithms and machines everything that they they have in their mind as free citizens they come out
00:40:49.820
on game day could this just be as you've seen it incompetence or you think it's malfeasance
00:40:54.080
you know i i don't want to uh paint them with the malfeasance but they're surely incompetent
00:41:00.820
you know they should have learned how to run an election by now um you know to not have
00:41:06.680
the the correct ink in your machine to print a ballot that's just unacceptable
00:41:12.840
do you think um do you think that there's all types of you know there's going to be lawsuits
00:41:22.020
people are getting affidavits there's going to be they're going to contest the election one level
00:41:25.760
but also voters are going to start coming in now that they were disenfranchised you got this whole
00:41:30.560
situation in cochise county where they're asking katie hobbs to come and make a presentation
00:41:35.620
to actually walk them through why their voters are not disenfranchised what exactly went on
00:41:40.780
she's i think kind of refusing you've got mark elias has now stepped in here and said hey the
00:41:45.520
only presentation the supervisor is going to see is in a courtroom you know they've already he's
00:41:50.980
already representing groups that are suing the uh the uh supervisors is your sense that that voters in
00:41:59.280
maricopa county were disenfranchised and therefore mojave county was disenfranchised
00:42:05.640
we believe that mojave county voters were disenfranchised by the problems that they had
00:42:11.700
in maricopa county their mistakes are bigger than our entire county vote and i think it's
00:42:19.680
disenfranchised the rural voters across the state not to mention it disenfranchises maricopa county
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voters and republican voters in particular who are more likely to cast their ballot at the poll
00:42:31.060
so any problems at the poll affect republicans more than they would affect democrats
00:42:35.600
uh could you hang through uh we're going to take a short break i just want to see if you can you
00:42:42.160
hang through for a few minutes on the other side i've also got john solomon who's going to join us
00:42:46.380
about maricopa county uh ron gold one of supervisors up in mojave county uh we're going to take a short
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commercial break uh we're going to be uh joined by the great john solomon also about the history in
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look you you you you come across as a patriot obviously it's a it's a uh a county with the
00:46:00.180
great frontier spirit you talk about disenfranchisement what what are you guys going to do now about that
00:46:07.880
issue of disenfranchisement in this election if we were to not canvas our election they would just
00:46:15.260
remove our voters vote from the statewide tally which then uh it actually would flip to the republican
00:46:23.100
seats that we picked up statewide so it'd just add insult to injury but i've got an attorney working
00:46:28.880
on the issue of uh the interpretation that if we were to vote no on the canvas we'd be arrested
00:46:34.620
because i just think that's the wrong decision so we'll appeal that to the attorney general i need
00:46:40.660
to do that fast because we may not control the attorney general seat after the first of the year
00:46:44.920
uh ron how do people uh follow you how do they get to you because this is obviously
00:46:50.580
they're going to contest this there's going to be lawsuits flying all around i'm sure
00:46:54.540
mojave and cochise are going to play a pretty important part going forward how do people get to
00:46:59.260
you um i'm on facebook got ron gould at sitlink.net and uh they want to send me my county email is um
00:47:11.360
google.r at mojave.gov good okay we'll put it up on that we'll put it up on in all the chat rooms and
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on the site ron a gould from mojave county thank you very much for joining us thanks for having me
00:47:24.040
steve have a great day merry christmas by the way thanks brother merry christmas so john solomon this
00:47:29.140
is a mess he just said that hey the voters in mojave county was disenfranchised by this madness in
00:47:35.000
maricopa you've got a great article up with your correspondent out there walk us through the
00:47:39.620
history of of maricopa county this is not just something that happened there's a history of
00:47:44.020
malfeasance and incompetence excuse me um yeah listen this is a 10-year train wreck in the making
00:47:50.400
it was a slow train wreck uh in 2012 there were so many problems that uh provisional ballots in early
00:47:56.980
ballots took weeks to count and back at that time the local media were outraged in fact they i think
00:48:02.660
it was arizona republic it called arizona nationally disgraced by its performance in elections in 2014
00:48:08.100
similar things happened in 2016 they made changes and the lines were so long that the obama justice
00:48:14.340
department sent a letter saying they were concerned about what maricopa county was doing
00:48:18.120
2018 more long delays in voting counts and of course 2020 the arizona senate came back and found
00:48:24.240
all sorts of irregularities including 5 000 voters they believe voted in maricopa county and at least
00:48:30.020
one other county so potential double voting many other uh ballots called into question 50 000 i think
00:48:36.140
across the state um this has been an issue that uh the local leadership have continually kicked down
00:48:42.540
the line they have not been able to count votes effectively uh sometimes it's machines sometimes
00:48:47.740
it's equipment sometimes it's provisional ballots but the system has been broken for a long time
00:48:53.100
in maricopa county and it was the obama doj and the mainstream media originally concerned until
00:48:58.860
republicans started complaining and then of course uh it became election denialism to raise the same
00:49:03.820
questions but this is a county that has had long problems with counting votes and that's why there's
00:49:09.940
so much distrust in arizona over the largest county and its election system look they've disenfranchised
00:49:16.760
the rest of the state they disenfranchised their own voters you saw the other day this public
00:49:22.780
denunciation it was a denunciation across the board uh they they've got this technical thing that you've
00:49:28.940
and they just the judge ruled last night in the abe hamaday situation that you've got to wait till
00:49:33.080
it's all certified to go to actually contest it but this is going to start to get not just heated up
00:49:39.100
it's going to start to get crazy because of their performance um tell me how you think this is going
00:49:44.600
to play it i know you guys have people on the ground and you're very close to this walk me through the
00:49:48.180
john solomon analysis yeah listen i think there's multiple scenarios the first is abe hamaday's lawsuit
00:49:53.880
will get refiled uh when uh the certification is made by the state the courts will then look at it
00:50:00.860
and see whether there's any merit to it and whether uh there's a remedy if there is merit to it uh carrie
00:50:07.100
lake was on the show last night i know she was on with you yesterday uh she's preparing legislation
00:50:10.940
as well to come out once the certification is she claims she has whistleblowers let's see what that
00:50:16.180
evidence is in order to prevail in the courts according to our legal experts the candidates are going to
00:50:21.320
have to show there are enough um ballots in dispute of voters who voted for them that either aren't
00:50:26.560
counted or didn't get properly counted or were turned away to overturn the election that's a high
00:50:31.740
threshold uh a lot less for abe hamaday because he's 800 votes it's several thousand votes for carrie
00:50:37.540
lake so you got to understand the level of high threshold the long-term question is will any of
00:50:42.080
this litigation prompt this county with 10 years of crisis and problems to actually fix itself so that
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we don't go through another election i think that's the third scenario we have to watch right
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now the county's doubling down thinking what it did was fine but you look at the history most
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arizona voters don't think what maricopa county has done is fine you should be able to walk into
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maricopa county bahava county or whatever county in arizona and be treated the same way all voters
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are supposed to have equal protection under the constitution maricopa county has a decade-long history
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of not meeting that standard look for 2024 and going forward first off there's a huge fight
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taking place now carrie lake there's no chance that hobbes won this impossible she's got a big
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article in the the republic today didn't even run a campaign didn't run a campaign this has got to be
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sorted here that's why it's a national crisis but people have to understand people run around ronda
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santa's donald trump 2024 hey unless we get pennsylvania and arizona sorted and i mean sorted that this
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can't happen again not so sure you can pull it off john solomon uh where do people get to you for
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your great show your website and you personally well i follow you every night at five o'clock six
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o'clock right here on real america's voice just the news no noise and on social media jay solomon
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reports and of course just the news.com that's where we have all of our news john solomon thank you
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very much a great piece we got up on the fiasco in maricopa county thanks steve absolute absolute
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disgrace absolute disgrace but people have to understand carrie lake and her team are at the
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