Episode 2346： What Did Katie Hobbs Know In AZ; Sanctions In Arizona
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In this episode of the Daily Call, we cover a story from the war room about a state election that was held under duress, and how the process was handled, and the aftermath of that election. We also hear from the Daily Caller Foundation and The Daily Caller's own reporter, June Singh, who has an exclusive on the story.
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this is the primal stream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's the time i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the
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people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do
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everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and
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where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of
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these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer
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is to save my country this country will be saved war here's your host stephen k bann
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um i vote i under duress um i found out today that i have no choice but to vote i or i'll be
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arrested in charge of the felony um i don't think that that is what our founders had in mind when
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they use the democratic process to elect our leaders our self former self-government i find
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that very disheartening with your vote of four eyes and zero nays you've approved item 1b anything
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else for the good of the order we're adjourned okay welcome it's friday 3 december in the year of
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alert 2022 you're in the war room for the afternoon show uh simultaneously elon musk is coming out right
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now or should be coming out shortly with his um he's going to release he says all the internal
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documents about um the hunter biden laptop and as you remember we were the first we worked with
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that for months uh working with the new york post uh and miranda divine emma joe morris that great
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editorial team there to release the laptop from hell and um we were very prominent we're the first tv
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show to put it up consistently every day or eventually we've never been on twitter but we
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uh had a twitter account war room twitter account i've never personally been on twitter ever
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and would never go on twitter um and that was taken down because of the contents of the laptop
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from hell so uh we're going to be fond of that we got mike davis we have darren beattie at revolver
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we've got natalie winters our executive editor all on it we're going to be talking about that at the
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bottom of the hour we got to start in arizona something extraordinary is going on in arizona
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and uh quite frankly have two counties cochise and mojave it's uh very i think up in the air how
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they certified or were they forced to certify this election and what exactly is arizona law
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procedures processes uh what did they really work off of as far as the manual and amazing we got
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kerry lake and her team we have caroline wren we have tom van flying so a lot to get to i want to start
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with an extraordinary story out of the daily caller and i think the daily caller foundation or june
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singh is the reporter contributor that has an exclusive on really the emails uh from katie
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hobbs's office and her deputy the elections director was a cory lorick our june just walk us through tell
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what is the story because it was pretty it's shocked and remember the whole world's watching this
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we had dave walsh our energy expert on today we're talking about as we always do this situation with
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energy in um in europe and he made the comment at the end of it he said hey the guys in europe he
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talks to in the energy everybody's watching arizona the whole world's watching not just in this country
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the entire world's watching what's happening in arizona can you walk us through your story sir
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well thank you very much steve it's great to be here and you're absolutely right we should be
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watching arizona given that what's happening there is frankly unprecedented all the people i'm talking
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to say the same thing so after the election on november the 8th the counties had to take about
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three weeks before they could sort of certify november the 28th 20 days after the election is when
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they're supposed to do it and cochise and mojave county specifically mojave did not want to certify
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on the 28th they wanted to wait some time they wanted to do some due diligence particularly cochise
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in mojave county they wanted to wait until the 28th so as to symbolically represent their displeasure
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with what was happening in maricopa county which is where phoenix is it's the largest county in the
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state and where there's an ongoing legal battle regarding the procedures that were followed in the
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election over there and so as a result of that katie hobbs the secretary of state of arizona who ran
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for governor um her deputy cory lorick who is the arizona state elections director sent a series of
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threatening emails and letters to the elected representatives of the mojave county board of
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supervisors she said that they would be sued that they would face legal actions of various kinds their
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lawyers may face sanctions for representing them for not so voting to certify on november the 28th and
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she even said that they would be criminally referred to the arizona attorney general's office
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for prosecution under arizona statute 161010 which is a class 6 felony it's a felony that's used to
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prosecute child molesters as well and so that was what the threats were that ron gold in the video you
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just played talked about and as a result of that he voted under duress this was also received by
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other supervisors and they voted to certify on november the 28th so they met their deadline but at
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the same time it was done in a manner that was frankly unprecedented arjun there's been this
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controversy from the beginning about should katie hobbs recuse herself because of potential conflicts of
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interest uh in your reporting do you is it possible that cory lorick sent these since she's the deputy
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and the head of this i think state director for elections is a direct report to uh katie hobbs
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the secretary of state could it possibly be that she would send such a tough these emails and the back
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and forth when you're not just talking about and we're gonna get into sanctions in a minute because
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this is rearder's hit again with a uh i think an obama appointed judge on another case uh to kind
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of threaten people could it possibly she she not checked with could she have sent that without
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checking in with katie hobbs and particularly raising this concept of criminal penalties for supervisors
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well steve it's difficult to say as you noted cory lorick is the deputy the top elections deputy to katie
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hobbs who's the secretary of state it's unlikely however that any major threat of legal action
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from her office would go out without her approval obviously there's no internal record that's been
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released of whether cory lorick spoke to katie hobbs before sending this letter and of course as you
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mentioned the conflict of interest is certainly one to note but um i don't think that it could have
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gone out without katie hobbs at least signing off on the threat of legal action she already has been
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pretty public about suing cochise county which the lawsuit for which was concluded yesterday and
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which led to the certification of the votes later but i don't think that this could have gone out
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without katie hobbs having at least some tacit agreement beforehand if not afterwards
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in your reporting as you've gotten the facts and broken this exclusive with the emails
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does it in your reporting does it look like these two counties were based on the facts as you know
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them compelled to certify this election sir oh yes absolutely they were compelled the supervisors
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who've gone on the record who've spoken about the notices and the letters they received said that
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they would not have proceeded were it not for these letters they've said very clearly that they was
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under duress that's what ron gold said in his video i don't think that they would have voted to
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certify on november the 28th had these letters and threats of legal action and criminal prosecution
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not been received they of course wanted to conduct some due diligence listen to voters hold hearings
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find try to wait find a way to figure out what sort of the facts were regarding the procedures followed
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on november the 8th selection and then perhaps vote to certify so it's fair to say that they were
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compelled by these legal threats in order to do so given that arjun i think monday may be the date that
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they're going to go through at least the first phase of of uh the 6th of uh december the of um
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the certification what they call a canvas and they're talking about that law you've got this how you can
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contested in your reporting how wild is it going to get next week in other words we're a long way
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from this thing being over in your reporting what do you sense is going to happen next week in the
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legal realm uh in the political realm about this contested election well what comes next is difficult
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to say because both cochise and mojave legally speaking right now have already certified the results
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of their vote um in the case of cochise it was done later in the case of mojave it was done by the
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deadline and so whether they could say you know challenge the secretary of state's office in court
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suggests that they were pressured to do so they were voting under duress and that somehow affects the
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validity it's difficult to say and it's difficult to note well to see whether a judge would agree with
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them because effectively the issue is in their eyes now moves of course some would say so that's a big
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thing to talk about but with respect to what comes next on the state at the state level uh it's the
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state that ultimately has to sort of do the final canvas of the results on december the 5th and the
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6th and so whether some action could come from the arizona state legislature the republicans over there
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whether the governor's office which there's currently a republican governor doug ducey whether others could
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act at the state level to basically have cochise and mojave counties views heard to perhaps pause until
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they proceed further that's something that the state level official officials of the republican party and
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elected officials will have to decide but as for the counties it's difficult to see them sort of having
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a path to move forward on legally speaking politically of course they can continue to make statements about
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their duress but uh legally speaking it's a done deal from their end arjun how do people follow you at
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the daily caller and how they follow you on social media well thank you very much steve my twitter handle
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is arjun s writings that's arjun s writings it's where we it's where i keep posting my exclusives my tips
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we at the daily caller of course are very much on this story because the story is not going away
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there's certainly a lot of questions that people are asking about arizona and about other states
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and we at the daily caller are definitely here to report on all of that as well as all the facts as
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they come out no the daily caller has been incredible on this story and it's a global story
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so arjun singh from the daily caller thank you very much for joining us here in the war room
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thank you steve happy to be here let me bring in carrie lake carrie you just heard it right there
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you know arjun and the daily caller it's tucker's uh operation they're pretty on top of things and
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they got exclusive they got the receipts here what do you have to say about when you have two counties
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the size of cochise and mojave that have essentially been compelled under threat of criminal prosecution
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in mojave's case and of course this huge fight they've had down at cochise where they wouldn't even
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finish their due diligence uh being compelled to certify this election ma'am
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i wish i could tell you it surprises me but it doesn't steve i mean this is akin to
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making a vote with a gun to your head i mean they were under duress and i don't know how that even
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holds up and i'm glad to see that we have some patriots who are willing to fight let's talk about
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disenfranchisement for a bit we're talking a lot about the voters disenfranchise in maricopa county
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and that's what's really at the crux of all of this but think about the voters in all of these
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other counties these smaller 14 other smaller counties in arizona where the rest of the what
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38 of arizona lives and their voters have been disenfranchised by the shenanigans that happened on
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election day in maricopa county and so these board of supervisors are just trying to get to the bottom
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of it they want some answers just as we do as to what happened on election day i don't know how you
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can look at what happened in maricopa county where more than half of the voting locations the polling
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locations basically went down at some point or another with equipment failing printers not working
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this these are ballot printers uh you know tabulators spitting out the ballots all day long people
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waiting in three and four and even five hour lines and only to show up vote have their ballot spit out
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and then be told to send the ballot over to this drawer where they're going to count it you know trust us
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we'll count your ballot this is a debacle and we need to fight this we need to fight this and get
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to the bottom of it if we cannot move forward with trust in our election system we've got a real problem
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in this country and arizona has been called upon to fix this and make sure that moving forward we have
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honest elections and we figure out what happened in 2020 or 22 rather we've got about a minute here
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and we're holding you through the break you warned about this in fact i think you've sent letters
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you try to have press conferences about the conflict of interest and here we had her deputy sent a letter
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now mypatriotsupply.com okay here's the reason that kerry lake is such a threat it's not just the
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dynamic personality it's not just the charisma it's not the empathy and the way she was it george
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bernard shaw said only connect right the boom that that was the key thing her connection with people
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unlike anybody i've ever seen except for president trump it's not that it's not simply that the reason
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they're after is something else it's the ability to look as we talk about here over the other side of
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the hill there are two things that have happened in the last couple of days that show that right the
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ability to look down range and to think things through remember in the fog of war that's the key
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that's that's necessary one is this katie hobbs situation and now arjun singh and the team over
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daily caller and there to be complimented about bringing the receipts everybody's regret we've got
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that in all the chat rooms everybody's got to read that story and you have to share that story
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particularly in the story where they actually have the emails now katie hobbs's deputy
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uh cory lorick you know sent these threatening emails and actually bring in criminal sanctions
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and criminal charges because they know the weapon they'll go to law fair in a second
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because they will go there they play smash mouth this is like stalin right they've taken the model of
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the ccp this is what mark elias and these guys is pure smash mouth all the time what carrie lake warned
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about she said hey how can we how can we possibly have katie hobbs uh as secretary of state when there's
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going to be these massive conflicts downrange she could see what was going to happen in november
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of 2022 when her deputy sent and you heard the reason i played that and jumped all over it i've
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never heard any elected official in the united states of america at open mic saying i'm compelled
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to vote this way because i've been threatened with a class what a class six felony and being
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prosecuted on the same thing you get child molesters for in addition she months ago went to court
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about the same issues that are in cochise county right now this whole situation about these machines
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that how they had to be maintained the whole deal and in that fight she's fighting for what was she
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could tell was going to happen here and guess what a judge ruled against her but then he waited
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to drop this bomb of lawfare sanctions in the middle of this which people think well hang on is
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this what's happened in the last couple days this is pure intimidation but it's the way they roll
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hey and i say with the republican party and uh and the mago movement you got to fight fire with fire
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they come in hard and they come in hot and they do not back off carrie lake tell us about this
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sanctions because sanctions is another weapon another tool they have in the toolbox
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yeah it's just uh if it's allowed to stand it will have a chilling effect on this case on any election
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case on any future case and you know five months ago we brought this case we've we warned we said
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these are these electronic voting machines are a nightmare we don't know how they work they the
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companies won't tell us how they work they've got software that's problematic they're not transparent
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and we had five experts on those uh on those machines that we had testimony from and they threw it
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out said that we didn't have standing imagine a candidate and a voter who doesn't have standing
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so they threw it out no if they were going to sanction they should have done so then they waited
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until the eve of us putting forth our lawsuit which is coming probably by the end of next week
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and they sanctioned our attorneys on that and and what they're trying to do steve is send a big
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message to any attorney who gets involved in this ever important election we've got to fight what
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happened in this election for the people of this state of this country and they're trying to say
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don't you dare get involved back down or we will come after you will come after your license to
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practice law will come after your ability to earn a living it is absolutely disgusting we are going
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to appeal it my attorneys are going to appeal it and we have to appeal it by the way that case that
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we brought forth five months ago trying to get rid of these electronic voting machines because we could
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see this happening we could see this happening we've got that on appeal as well these voting machines are
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disastrous our sacred vote is being trampled we showed up on election day and they didn't even work
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in many locations and we can't have this happen again so we need to we need to fight back this is not
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care this is not kerry lake saying this this was a bill gates going to the to the to the microphone
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in the very first opening salvo of uh of election day this is thousands and tens of thousands of
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people complaining and signing affidavits about the machines this is cochise county board of
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supervisors saying hey we really don't know if we can do this now because we really have to do our
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own inspection of the machines and katie hobbs and mark elias elected that's why they were elected
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to do the work for their people and to stand up for the people this is not about me i've said this all
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along steve i'm just one voter but i care deeply about arizona it is not fun to be in the middle
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of this but we have no other choice i have no other choice but to stand up and fight right now
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for the people of arizona if i don't who will who will look and they're asking people are asking me
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the arrogance of uh of uh cochise county the cochise county guys say hey what we want
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is katie hobbs to come down here and present to us about these machines and other processes and
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procedures to make sure our voters are not disenfranchised mark elias then gets a couple
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of groups he sues he says the only presentation that the board of supervisors are going to get is
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in a court of law pure smash mouth this has nothing to do with fair elections nothing to do with free
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and transparent elections this is how they use lawfare and then to top it off the cherry on top
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and if you bring that case if you do force us to take you to court we're going to sanction your
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attorneys you see how this works you see how this works and that judge john tucci an obama appointee
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who worked for a very democrat uh law firm that ended up getting pulled into the uh perkins coey i
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think is how you pronounce it they ended up coming together is the judge making this decision it's all
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one big dirty swamp in my humble opinion and we need to stand up right now at this moment and you
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talked about me being a politician that you know is reaching out to the people it it is a movement
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of we the people and if we let our sacred vote be taken from us with these shoddy shady elections i
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think they're almost fake elections then we're gone we're gone as a country i don't know what choice we
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have but to stand up and fight right now and that's why i'm doing this perkins coey was the uh is
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mark elias's law firm former law firm they're the guys that hardwired the entire 2020 election
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yeah in fact the practice got so big and so go ahead ma'am he's acting like he's the boogeyman and
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he's so he's such a great attorney i've seen him speak i i was actually shocked when i saw him speak
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i went that's the mark elias guy he he's not very impressive but when you have uh you know hundreds of
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millions of dollars behind you and you have lawfare and you have all of these judges working with you
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it's pretty easy to be successful as a lawyer right uh evil genius is what he is he's quite uh
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he's he's uh they've thought this through we have to give the devil his due we need that on our side
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here's the reason they sanction that in your case because a couple of your senior lawyers
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are also the ones are going to file after the certification and they want to put in the media
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the arizona republic wants to have in big banner headlines you know sanctioned lawyers right lawyers
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who are sanctioned by a judge that this is this is totally and completely coordinated with the
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media with the courts with the far left of the democratic party the radical democrat and quite
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frankly with the mccain establishment who are uh partners in this you can't say anything else but
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there's been crickets by that group go ahead ma'am it is one big massive infested rat's nest
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and it is absolutely uh going to destroy this country if we don't stand up right now and you're
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right it's a lot of different players i mean we go back to before election day all the problems that
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were going on and you go to election day where it looks like sabotage i mean what how else do you
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explain it where on election day all of these coincidentally all these machines going down the
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same way it wasn't like one machine shorted out another machine had a problems reading ballots
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another machine you know the on off switch broke down these are the same exact type of problems on
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more than half of the of the election polling places election day polling places and it sure as
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heck looks like an attempt to stop our movement everybody and their brother knew that our people
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our supporters were showing up on election day and i am i am crestfallen for the voters of the great
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state of arizona many of them older people many of them young people voting for the first time
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veterans who showed up so excited to vote in this election because they had a candidate in me who
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was truly going to stand up and do their work and do the people's work and they showed up only to get
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there and realize oh my gosh this election is being botched looks like to me intentionally botched when
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they couldn't get their their ballot to be read i saw some grown men leaving in video leaving these
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election polling places and they just looked like oh my gosh our country's gone our country's gone
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when this kind of stuff happens over and over and over again and we're unable to fight it i will
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fight this until i will fight this is a hill we're dying on for me steve and i will i will make it to
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the top of this hill and they'll make it to the top of the next hill and we will bring about fair
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elections in this state and in this country last thing you know we're doing a lot of things on energy
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and this new bill they're going to put forward for full spectrum energy dominance at the beginning of
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the uh of the new term with our the republican mega house and internationally we have a lot of people
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talking about europe and how it's going down they're asking our people every time before we come on tell
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us what's going on in arizona tell us what's going on in arizona how humiliating is this for the great
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state of arizona that's now at an inflection point to become a worldwide power in chip production
00:25:10.160
all high technology to have this humiliating process that now you have stories where uh election
00:25:16.460
officials are threatening supervisors and counties with with felonies and prison terms if they don't
00:25:22.480
certify their illegitimate election ma'am it's a it's humiliating it's embarrassing and it shows that
00:25:30.020
we need to turn our elections around we it is a black eye for arizona and if we allow this to stand
00:25:36.140
without putting up a fight i don't know that arizona can recover from it i mean people are telling me i
00:25:40.900
want to move out of the state i just can't live in a state where my vote doesn't count where i have
00:25:46.340
no way to uh redress and deal with with these serious issues that the county won't listen to me
00:25:52.660
they act like they're listening they give me two minutes to speak on it and then they just do what
00:25:56.400
they plan to do where we the people have no say in repairing such an important vital system our
00:26:03.220
election system it's a huge embarrassment and i think it's going to be a dangerous to arizona's future
00:26:08.680
where do people uh follow you ma'am next week's big they can go to carrylake.com and uh you know
00:26:15.080
if you can make a donation there i hate to even ask but attorneys don't pay for themselves we've got
00:26:19.260
great attorneys they can go to my twitter my getter my truth feed and talk to me there i know that the
00:26:25.300
people are with me in this fight steve the people are with you carry like there's no doubt about that
00:26:30.880
okay short commercial break tom van flying caroline wren on the way forward next in the war room
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production team in denver real america's voice of course our own uh folks here at the war room we're
00:28:02.160
going to juggle we've got tom van flying and we've got caroline rent and the situation in arizona is
00:28:07.760
building up we also got the great mike davis uh elon musk has pulled a hey we're gonna do it at five
00:28:14.500
but upon further review it's going to take another 40 minutes to double check some facts mike davis uh
00:28:20.500
joins us mike i think lawyers might be saying hey elon we need a belt of suspenders another belt
00:28:26.400
here's what's happening is that they're going to release the internal documents on uh the internal
00:28:32.480
documents about twitter's suppression of the hunter biden laptop from hell in the days leading up to
00:28:38.720
the 2020 election mike davis give us your assessment of this because you you've preached the
00:28:44.300
gospel of we got to take on the big tech oligarchs twitter being one of them and elon musk is actually
00:28:50.040
inside the wire right now people know i'm no fan of musk but he's inside the wire and he's blowing
00:28:54.500
things up every day mike davis well what elon musk is doing is pretty bold and courageous steve but uh
00:29:01.980
he's going to take some incoming fire on this uh he's going to expose that that big tech colluded
00:29:08.840
to swing the election for biden they they know that this this laptop provided that it had damning
00:29:17.300
smoking gun evidence that biden uh was on the chinese and ukrainian payrolls along with his son
00:29:24.800
hunter along with biden's brother james and the new york post was going to run this story and so they
00:29:31.460
the they called it russian disinformation and they shut it down they shut down the oldest newspaper in
00:29:37.200
america the new york post and they started uh they started uh deleting accounts on twitter and facebook
00:29:44.080
and all over big tech uh for anyone who dared to report what was happening here and there's no
00:29:49.260
question that if the american people would have read what was on that laptop before november 2020
00:29:56.320
there is no way that president biden would be sitting in the white house right now the reason this
00:30:00.680
is so contentious the management's going to have liability the old board of directors are going to
00:30:04.580
have liability i mean this is this is as dicey as it gets as everybody knows we worked on that
00:30:10.160
with the great rudy giuliani and bernie carrick and the great lawyer bob costello with uh the new
00:30:16.140
york post team and you got to remember that's rupert murdoch and his lawyers they know something they own
00:30:20.940
all these tabloids in england they know what they're doing they went through this thing with a fine tooth
00:30:25.560
comb because they understood the incoming they were going to take and biden sat there mike davis and looked
00:30:30.280
the american people in the eye and he lied to the american people he said it was a russian
00:30:34.960
disinformation claim correct yeah and then they got all the the spooks and the intel agency to write
00:30:41.040
that letter uh backing it up saying it was a russian dis disinformation disinformation campaign it just
00:30:46.740
it goes to show you when the left talks about disinformation misinformation that means we're over the
00:30:52.600
target and they were over the on this hunter biden laptop it's it's smoking gun evidence i
00:31:00.160
would be surprised i would i would be i would not be surprised if biden uh does not face tremendous
00:31:07.000
pressure from his own party i who knows maybe he won't even last for the rest of his term
00:31:12.160
you i want to pull the camera back for a second this is what you've been warning about that we have to
00:31:18.740
get serious about these tech oligarchs you have companies like google and facebook and amazon and twitter
00:31:25.480
that are just too powerful they're they're they're they're they have so much more power than anybody
00:31:30.360
envisioned they've paid off everybody in dc this is why you're such a people don't realize the bravery
00:31:35.520
of mike davis because uh the city is awash in ccp cash and it's awash in uh with the margins these
00:31:43.540
companies have it's awash in big tech cash sir yeah i mean when you grew up with red hair steve you're
00:31:50.080
used to just getting the crap beat out so i don't it doesn't bother me at all but i'll tell you
00:31:54.620
it's google amazon facebook and apple those are the online gatekeepers they you know apple's a
00:32:00.980
two trillion dollar company google amazon facebook are trillion dollar companies they could crush
00:32:07.320
twitter instantly if they want to they just like they did to parlor remember what happened
00:32:11.720
with parlor there was twitter that was it was the old twitter that was controlled by the woke left
00:32:16.400
and people said if you don't like twitter build your own so parlor did and they quickly got a 1.3
00:32:21.400
billion dollar valuation so what happened they blamed parlor for january 6th even though the
00:32:27.120
protests were organized on facebook google and apple kicked parlor out of the app store duopoly and
00:32:32.240
amazon kicked parlor out the internet we have to update and enforce our century old antitrust laws so
00:32:37.580
we can break up big tech's gatekeeping power so they do not have the ability to crush twitter like they
00:32:43.980
did to parlor do i have the nicole wallace can i play i want to before i let you go and we're going
00:32:48.740
to go back to arizona with caroline rent and tom van flying on this fiasco there and i know you've
00:32:53.400
been covering they've been watching that closely mike but i want to play this is how the mainstream
00:32:57.620
media is now going to pivot this watch this this happened a moment ago on msnbc please watch this
00:33:04.580
well you know online radicalization whether it's radicalization to violence that is promoted
00:33:12.980
by foreign terrorist organizations like the islamic state or whether it's radicalization
00:33:18.340
to extremist violence uh based on anti-semitism anti-lgbtq racist comments we know uh the the
00:33:26.540
statistics show it the evidence show it and our real world examples show it that this kind of
00:33:31.620
online uh extremism here they went from they went from an apparatus they loved and rubbed up and
00:33:38.560
against to and controlled to now mike davis is twitter a national security threat it wasn't there
00:33:45.600
no discussion about being a national security threat when they literally suppressed information
00:33:51.280
about the chinese communist party having the biden family on the payroll okay leading up in the weeks
00:33:59.280
leading up we know from all the polling if people had known that including democrats joe biden wouldn't
00:34:05.220
have been able to steal the 2020 election okay this is how severe it is yet now sir starting this
00:34:12.080
afternoon when when elon musk is going to put forward the internal receipts it's a national security threat
00:34:18.720
mike davis yeah so elon musk must be a russian disinformation agent i think that's what the left
00:34:25.140
calls anyone they don't like tick tock is controlled by china tick tock is a chinese
00:34:30.940
spying device you never hear the democrats you never hear the washington post you never hear the
00:34:36.420
new york times you never hear the left complaining about tick tock and their chinese influence but all
00:34:40.940
of a sudden this south african elon musk brings free speech back to twitter and all of a sudden it's a
00:34:46.800
national security threat it goes to show you what the left's thinking is if they can't control the
00:34:50.980
narrative if they can't censor content moderation or censor under the guise of misinformation and
00:34:56.880
disinformation which means the you know the the hard truth if they can't censor if they can't
00:35:02.360
do content moderation they think it's a national security threat it's a threat to the democrat
00:35:06.640
party because they know if the american people find out the truth that they're not going to win
00:35:11.540
mike how do people uh get you on social media you're doing a hit everybody's got to watch
00:35:16.420
lar ingram tonight uh mike is going to be on the lar ingram show you don't want to miss that how do
00:35:21.320
people get to you on social media sir it's article three project.org article number three project.org
00:35:26.960
and then it's at article number three project at article three projects on getter twitter truth
00:35:32.200
and my personal is mrd dmia mrd dmia thank you steve you're fighting the good fight sir thank you very
00:35:40.180
much let's go to i've got carolyn wren and i've got i think let's take tom he's on the phone let's
00:35:44.420
take down tom um let's go to carolyn wren first carolyn uh tell us what people everybody's kind
00:35:49.900
of hanging now on uh tenterhooks about what's going to happen they've come and sanctioned your
00:35:54.840
lawyers van fly is going to walk us through that they're trying to chop block you out of the gates
00:35:59.540
this this forced certification under compulsion they're compelling counties to forcibly certify
00:36:08.420
elections they don't want to certify in the whole world sees it the emails all that what is the path
00:36:14.120
forward starting on monday or tuesday next week when we can go to the next phase this your entire
00:36:18.980
movement is waiting to hear the answer well you're right on the shake i mean what katie
00:36:25.480
hobbs is doing right now in an effort to obtain power is tyrannical it's it's banana republic on a
00:36:32.520
next level i mean she's shaking down counties asking for answers about what occurred on election
00:36:37.600
day and she's threatening them with jail time if they don't comply with her wishes
00:36:40.640
and it's like she's in a mafia movie or something and it's not even that she's not even seeking an
00:36:46.760
election at this point they're seeking a coronation and we don't care what the media says we don't care
00:36:52.020
what twice convicted racist katie hobbs says hobbs says if this process was illegitimate then so are
00:36:58.260
the results and katie hobbs is using language to intimidate these board of supervisors into certifying
00:37:04.600
an election that you know the language it cannot be found in any arizona election statue you can't
00:37:10.620
find it though verbatim from mark elias's legal findings that's really where this is being driven
00:37:14.600
and you know our founders warned us about this type of tyranny in fact james madison said the
00:37:19.840
accumulation of all powers legislative executive and judiciary in the same hands whether of one a few
00:37:26.140
or many and whether hereditary self-appointed or elective may justly to be pronounced the very
00:37:31.780
definition of tyranny and that is what we're seeing right now katie hobbs is attempting to be the
00:37:36.560
judge jury and executioner in arizona elections and that's not how a constitutional republic works
00:37:41.620
so what understanding that they're playing smash mouth they got mark elias they're threatening
00:37:47.180
cochise county which you warned about on the machines they got mojave uh they have intimidated
00:37:52.120
everybody and they're rolling towards this coronation how do we what is the next phase that that we go on
00:37:59.160
offense the next thing i mean this is in the hands of our attorneys right now and we have a great
00:38:04.880
confidence in them you know less confidence obviously in the courts what they did with the
00:38:08.960
courts which tom is going to talk about later was clearly an intimidation factor of they're trying
00:38:12.440
to intimidate our attorneys intimidate intimidate any lawyer who's willing to put their name on a
00:38:17.080
a lawsuit or on our behalf or whoever files it behalf and say you're going to be threatened with
00:38:21.720
sanctions but you know what we we have to stand up and fight we can't be scared of these people
00:38:26.480
we can't just walk away the grassroots movement that carrie created in arizona was truly historic
00:38:31.760
i mean she captured an energy that drew interest from voters of all backgrounds and all political
00:38:36.840
persuasions but in maricopa county democracy doesn't die in darkness it gets taken away from
00:38:42.520
the people in broad daylight and i i think back steve to the partisan press if you remember they were
00:38:47.840
writing katie hobbs obituary weeks in advance of election day the the real clear politics polling
00:38:53.280
average was three and a half points that had carrie lake up but what happened on election day
00:38:57.580
was nothing short of historic voter disenfranchisement that changed the outcome of this election
00:39:02.560
and they were a lot less subtle this time i will say than they were in 2020 and we're going to take
00:39:07.080
it to the courts and the attorneys are going to fight this and they cannot stop this movement that
00:39:11.500
carrie hates carrie lake has they just can't do it uh caroline how do people get to you on social
00:39:16.740
media because this thing's heating up over the weekend and it's going to get white hot starting
00:39:20.280
monday tuesday next week how do people follow you sure they can follow me at caroline wren and on
00:39:26.180
getter truth social or uh twitter thank you very much man appreciate it thank you one of the one of
00:39:34.140
the best guys i've known this guy for a long time back in the days of sarah palin when sarah palin
00:39:37.980
first came on the scene tom then flying tom you're one of the attorneys here uh this uh they they have
00:39:44.580
a weapon and it's called sanctions of attorneys and it's trying to get it's trying to intimidate
00:39:49.620
the legal profession why what happened and why did this thing drop this sanction just drop in the
00:39:54.940
middle of what we're working on now well the timing is interesting steve uh because the judge has had
00:40:01.640
months and months to issue a ruling like this and uh whether that was deliberate or the judge was just
00:40:08.460
busy but the timing is suspicious uh because of what's going on right now but you got to keep in mind
00:40:14.200
sanctions against attorneys and litigants it's pretty rare in every lawsuit there's going to be a
00:40:20.240
winner and a loser litigation is a zero-sum game so you you cannot just routinely sanction the losing
00:40:28.500
party that's not how american litigation works you have to do something as a lawyer or a litigant that
00:40:34.820
is deemed a bad faith or frivolous or you just filed a claim with no research whatsoever in the case
00:40:40.520
that was filed earlier this year uh carrie lake and mark fincham had four or five experts they had a
00:40:46.980
legal theory laid out that in reading the judge's sanction order i don't think the judge fully
00:40:51.600
appreciated because one of the reasons for sanctioning uh the lawyers and and he almost sanctioned the
00:40:57.000
litigants was saying that well they admit they vote on paper ballots the lawsuit was to go to paper
00:41:03.040
ballots well that is disingenuous because those paper ballots had to then be fed into a tabulator
00:41:08.520
machine and that's what the lawsuit was really about whether it should be fed into a machine
00:41:12.880
where it was subject to adjudication and other issues and so for the judge to say it was frivolous
00:41:17.440
because they know themselves that there's a uh a paper ballot because they voted before is to me
00:41:23.300
disingenuous and a way for the court to make it look more to make it look frivolous when it wasn't
00:41:28.980
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top lawyers around tom the timing of this and the sanctions and you said this was far from
00:45:06.740
frivolous you had experts that they had on technology is the first time i really understood
00:45:10.380
the machines was really looking you know sitting down with those experts you had so you had these
00:45:15.780
experts that need it it's it's the big problem in cochise county now they're being compelled and
00:45:21.580
forced to do this against their will the same issue that you guys brought up six months ago so
00:45:25.720
it's certainly not frivolous it's the heart of this issue and the breakdown of maricopa county
00:45:30.080
it's far from frivolous but the legal part of it's such ridiculous but it's also what they're
00:45:36.060
doing is very sophisticated in the media part they want they dropped it over the in the last
00:45:39.780
two days of this week because they want to be able to say next week when you actually go to the
00:45:45.340
contest the elections part that oh look at her lawyers they were just sanctioned for a frivolous
00:45:49.980
lawsuit the arizona republic is going to put that in a massive bold headline right at the top right
00:45:55.300
because they're playing information war and law for at the same time tom van flyne your thoughts and
00:46:00.900
analysis that is absolutely correct the timing is perfect for that and they'll probably misconstrue it
00:46:07.420
and just conflate this current case ruling with the next case which is a different lawsuit altogether
00:46:14.000
based on different issues and different facts and different legal theories and probably in their
00:46:19.340
coverage they won't write facts they'll just put opinion in their article and they will suggest or
00:46:24.360
imply that it's the same suit they're bringing it again they already got tossed out and it will
00:46:29.780
undermine the credibility of the next lawsuit and undermine the the image of the and the talent of the
00:46:35.960
lawyers that carrie has working on this and the judge says as much by the way in the order that's what
00:46:42.560
makes us very curious at the end of the order the judge basically says i'm imposing sanctions because
00:46:48.240
we want to deter any cases like this that could threaten the integrity of the electoral process
00:46:54.640
in the in the eye of the public so he is re-litigating 2020 and he is making a comment
00:47:02.320
that was not involved in this case people have a right to bring lawsuits in fact steven on this
00:47:07.620
particular lawsuit this is more like a public interest lawsuit uh care neither carrie nor mark
00:47:12.780
fincham were asking for money or damages for themselves where they had a personal financial interest in the
00:47:18.040
outcome that is where a case of sanctions often applies however in public interest litigation
00:47:24.640
which is what this is the courts almost never sanction people because they are there's a public
00:47:31.580
policy involved of encouraging people to take issue with public policy through the courts and to
00:47:38.300
challenge laws even if they lose they normally don't punish the the the parties in public interest
00:47:43.120
litigation this is very unusual and it's also unusual to impugn the the lawyer like that as as it does under
00:47:50.200
uh uh usc section 27 where sanctions were imposed directly against counsel and that is highly unusual
00:47:57.860
and the judge gave it away in the end of the order where he says i'm trying to you know i'm sanctioning
00:48:03.420
you because we don't want any more litigation about election integrity and that is wrong that should be
00:48:08.460
reviewed on appeal and i hope reversed it's gonna be but the the timing is about now because the
00:48:14.280
the judge hey no to judge the response in every poll knows this thing in arizona not simply stinks to
00:48:20.860
high heaven but is illegal and illegitimate and katie hobbs is just like biden illegal and illegitimate
00:48:26.720
and we're gonna fight that every day tom do you have social media yeah go ahead sir oh i was gonna say
00:48:33.120
and i don't know if you discussed the the law on conflict of interest in arizona but it's a two-step
00:48:39.420
can you hear me oh no keep going tom okay it's a two-step process under the arizona conflict of
00:48:45.620
interest law if you are a public official charged with carrying out a duty but you might get a
00:48:50.560
financial or pecuniary gain out of it uh you can't act on that matter you have to recuse yourself that's
00:48:56.380
like a zoning board official who has land at issue you cannot vote on your own zoning appeal right so in
00:49:02.960
this case the pecuniary interest for katie hobbs is she has the potential for a governor's salary and a
00:49:08.340
governor's job for four years so she has a pecuniary interest she clearly is involved in the decision
00:49:14.140
making is in current currently metaphorically holding a gun to the head of these supervisors
00:49:20.040
saying you will vote yes or i will have you thrown in jail or have you sued in in other capacities and
00:49:26.540
that just demonstrates the conflict here the remedy under arizona law is a broad remedy you have to undo
00:49:32.740
the action that was taken by the public official in this case you'd have to have a whole new election
00:49:37.580
i don't have any faith that a court would ever order that under the current circumstances you see the
00:49:42.680
kind of judging that has shown a lack of courage and enforcement of the law since 2020 so uh good
00:49:49.800
good luck with that but in any event she had a clear conflict of interest in my opinion and the judge in
00:49:55.860
this case on the sanctions order was clearly sending a message to people you will not bring litigation to
00:50:01.800
challenge these election laws or you will pay the price tom how do people follow you on social media
00:50:07.760
you're on social media at all very little but i have a twitter at van flyne v-a-n-f-l-e-i-n
00:50:13.340
okay brother thank you very much appreciate it thank you okay we've got another hour and it's packed
00:50:19.740
we're going to have uh coverage of the uh of elon musk at six o'clock he's going to put it out also
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