Bannon's War Room - Episode 2356： Attacking And Dismantling The Bureaucratic State

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going with evil on

00:00:10.600 these people here's the time i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the

00:00:16.760 people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do

00:00:20.740 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and

00:00:24.080 where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of

00:00:31.920 these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:00:39.020 is to save my country this country will be saved war here's your host stephen k vat

00:00:47.400 81 years ago today 7 december 1941 uh what uh got the united states actively into the kinetic part

00:00:58.220 of the uh of world war ii uh the continuation of the great war of the 20th century the really

00:01:04.480 curtain came down on that with the fall of the berlin wall in tiananmen square in the

00:01:09.540 the late 80s beginning the early 90s um like i said there've been seven i think there's seven

00:01:16.820 pearl harbor commissions investigations all of it many many many many many questions still up

00:01:23.580 on pearl harbor i think that's the beginning of people saying well hang over a second because

00:01:26.740 people don't realize this that as we were fighting the war this whole pearl harbor controversy was

00:01:32.100 quite big quite big and admiral kimmel's family to till today still fights to have his name cleared

00:01:39.460 the admiral that was in charge of the pacific fleet headquartered out of pearl um

00:01:44.160 so and we'll talk about more about that maybe i've got maybe this afternoon where i can go

00:01:49.640 through more of it because it's it's relevant to today up on capitol hill i know people are very

00:01:55.000 upset about georgia you should be upset about georgia we gave them a seat let's be blunt we gave

00:01:59.180 them a seat um what's happening on capitol hill right now the power moves the power struggles are like

00:02:06.660 it's shakespearean you have and this is why it's so important and i you know i've been a big

00:02:12.340 advocate president trump ought to be more engaged on this i just don't think he's engaged enough

00:02:16.940 and as you know we're the centerpiece of the uh media for the trump movement for support of

00:02:23.040 president trump but you got to call them you got to call balls and strikes like you see them they

00:02:26.440 got to be more engaged what's and here's why they are structurally doing things right now

00:02:30.940 that are not just detrimental to the overall country but are going to handcuff a second trump

00:02:36.560 presidency the omnibus bill the defense authorization act amnesty and debt ceiling those four and there's

00:02:42.660 many more they're working on trust me they got stuff working all over the place electoral count

00:02:46.240 act i can go up and down but i'm talking about these big four uh and i think because i see now

00:02:51.120 thune and people i think maybe the debt ceiling we've put to bed amnesty is still out there although

00:02:56.120 josh hawley lee the populace member came out and said over my dead body will they do amnesty and

00:03:01.680 the lame duck because you need a national consensus on that we have an invasion on the southern border

00:03:05.600 it's even obscene to be talking about and spending time on and by the way dick durbin and lindsey 0.92

00:03:10.460 graham got their hands all over that they got tillis as their front guy but lindsey graham's hands he'd 0.99

00:03:14.440 been fighting he'd been working this non-stop ever since i was in the way ever since i've known him he's

00:03:19.900 a huge open borders guy um you've got the defense authorization which is now 800 for almost a trillion

00:03:25.960 dollars but it's totally woke this is why recruitment in the south has collapsed because of the wokeness in

00:03:32.480 there and they're giving us a tip about the vaccines going forward there's supposed to be a

00:03:35.720 huge republican win anytime the media says huge republican win remember they're trying to cover

00:03:40.720 up something the omnibus is probably the most offensive because a couple weeks we can certainly

00:03:45.520 wait we've kicked the can down the road in this thing all the time it's no urgency to get this done

00:03:50.040 this is just about paying off lobbyists corporate sponsors for shelby and these guys are all going to

00:03:54.120 be leaving in the democrats this omnibus is going to be a couple you know trillion three and a half

00:03:58.620 dollars totally unfunded completely unfunded and by the way it's going to happen again nine months

00:04:02.760 in september it's going to happen another year this is a system we're at the end of this road

00:04:09.140 we're not we're at uh we're just the end of it and but how do you start to get the end and so what

00:04:15.200 you have to do you have to have smart tough people russ vote is probably one of the smartest guys not

00:04:19.340 the smartest guy about the complexity and what's really in the budget are the appropriations well you

00:04:25.820 know how money comes in but more importantly how it gets spent and how it gets monitored to see

00:04:30.580 programmatically what's even if what's working and what's not working he's worked with his

00:04:36.060 organization to come up with a balanced budget here's why it's important we're going to try to

00:04:39.240 pull the the clip here for later in the hour um it ties directly to the fight it ties directly to

00:04:46.500 what's going on and the power moves about who's in charge starting early part of next year and here's

00:04:51.640 why until we get control of the spending until you get control of the spending everything else is

00:04:57.280 kind of a side issue because right now we're at a precipice right and we have to show that we can

00:05:04.260 do this we have to show we have the world this is why the american people put the put gave the house

00:05:10.260 of representatives to to the republicans remember we had over six million more votes one is to stop the

00:05:15.100 madness of biden spending to do that you have to have a pathway of eventually how to get to a balanced

00:05:20.820 budget ralph norman this congressman from south carolina who's kind of i'm not saying a back

00:05:26.960 bencher but has never really been at the forefront publicly he said he asked kevin mccarthy in that

00:05:31.680 private session they had a week ago he said look i got a question here's what i want to know most

00:05:36.620 because this is the this is the thing itself this is what's important this is signal not noise

00:05:41.760 where do you stand on this republican study committee or vote these guys working on this been working for a

00:05:47.360 long time on this balanced budget that balances i think in seven years kevin where do you stand on

00:05:52.640 that well won't do it not interested not going to happen boom ralph norman said at that moment he

00:05:58.220 became a hard no he said if you're not prepared to do that fight then everything else is just happy

00:06:03.060 talk so i want to bring in russ vote i think today russ we're going to start rolling out what you've been

00:06:07.980 working on and this is going to be a centerpiece of going forward because hey the the left-wing media is

00:06:14.600 going to be all over this is the cruel heartless republicans that are now trying to take food out

00:06:20.540 of the mouths of babies right but somebody's got to step up and say we can't because otherwise you're

00:06:25.680 just going to have these omnibus bills every 12 months unfunded to train to have to train and that's

00:06:32.920 without the financing charges the scam is they don't really even bake that into the system the financing

00:06:37.680 charges now are going to be another trillion dollars so here's where you get these silos of trillions

00:06:41.960 train for over train for social security over train for medicaid over train for medicare

00:06:47.440 over a trillion for national defense and now a trillion for let's throw a train in there for

00:06:52.720 financing the five trillions the five building blocks of this um russ vote walk us through what

00:06:59.160 you guys have come up with and talk about the process first and what do you have and how we're

00:07:03.740 going to roll it out sure thanks steve for the opportunity so this is really really timely as you

00:07:09.420 mentioned because it is specifically written for the fiscal 23 year that they are appropriating or

00:07:15.260 spending money to right now in this lame duck and by the way we are on the cusp of having a major

00:07:20.400 victory as a result of this show in being able to get that pumped uh pumped over into the new year

00:07:27.080 with a short-term cr so that the new majority can use this budget to turn that into law and that we

00:07:34.140 did that intentionally so you have a kevin mccarthy that's out there saying number one you just can't get

00:07:38.980 the balance we wanted to prove that wrong we'd already proved it wrong in the trump administration

00:07:43.220 but we wanted to do it in a 10-year period which is the typical budget window and we wanted to say

00:07:48.840 look we're going to do it within the constraints of how we wrote the trump budgets we're going to do it

00:07:53.660 in 10 years and we're going to give you the moral high ground in a way that you've never had before

00:07:58.660 and really that's what we're trying to do is that this has always been a debate about well two people

00:08:05.120 agree on a program existing section eight housing uh cdc funding and we're just talking about whether

00:08:12.140 you can afford it or not you've got to get out of the affordability this is not about bureaucracy that

00:08:18.500 is good for the country and should just be afforded uh spent based on what you can afford this is money

00:08:26.160 that is being put it was putting sewage in your community when you have a million and a half going to

00:08:31.620 the university of texas to train teachers on how to do critical race theory and social emotional

00:08:37.980 learning and math that's sewage into your school that's that's not teacher improvement to make sure

00:08:43.880 they teach math better that's way of figuring out how to have marxist revolutionaries in your schools 0.98

00:08:49.740 recruit more marxist revolutionaries in your school and so we're trying to say with this budget

00:08:54.640 we're dealing with statesmen here or we're trying to lead and and be able to create statesmen and

00:09:00.200 everyone on this show is a statesman at the local level and so that's not single issue voting that

00:09:06.020 is okay you've got multiple threats you have a fiscal threat of 31 trillion dollars in debt

00:09:10.320 and you've got this woke and weaponized bureaucracy that is immediately arrayed against the american

00:09:16.580 people what do you do about that you've got to merge them you've got to say that this bureaucracy

00:09:21.500 exists because of the funding sources that is causing our fiscal imbalances and by merging them all of a

00:09:28.740 sudden you've given yourself a strategic moral high ground to be able to go after these spendings

00:09:34.320 in a way that busts the cartel in a fundamental way so just the bottom line what we're trying to do

00:09:39.640 this strategically we're trying to delegitimize the regime we're trying to show you what the regime is like

00:09:46.860 this is not foreign aid which i would oppose anyways this is spending money to train lgbt activists 0.95

00:09:53.560 in senegal this is to have drag queen theaters in ecuador this is about having a bob dylan statute

00:10:01.200 in mozambique this is about funding gay pride parades in prague that's what you are getting

00:10:07.140 with your money and we want to be able to delegitimize the regime and then starve it of

00:10:13.300 every dollar that is going to the to what is woke and weaponized i just want to make sure people

00:10:19.040 you're saying the administrative state and the rogue part the deep state part of that

00:10:22.760 is perpetuated by these massive this five and a half trillion the particularly the unfunded

00:10:29.880 discretionary spending you're merging the crisis in the debt right in the exploding interest rates

00:10:35.960 with the administrative state this is leviathan this is the beast and every time you spend a penny

00:10:41.980 you're feeding that beast so let's figure out how we deconstruct the beast by cutting off the money

00:10:48.100 program by program is that essentially your theory of the case that's the theory of the case that is

00:10:53.740 the central threat that statesmen need to rise to and what they have been go ahead hang on it's taken

00:11:01.600 30 years to get their vote you know that because but go back to how people used to think about it if

00:11:08.220 you think about it in this construct if you think about it in that framing you'll get to a solution

00:11:13.620 but the fight just to get there has been pretty monumental right i mean we're still not there

00:11:18.000 trust me we're starting it but before it was all about affordability right correct this is a major

00:11:24.300 shift in the overton window no that's exactly right i mean like i used to have these debates about stuff

00:11:30.780 that i wanted to fund you know the wall or the navy uh or you know nasa space exploration things that

00:11:37.400 conservatives want and i'd say well you know what's the delta what do i need to be able to fund what we

00:11:42.980 really need and they'd say five billion i was like well why are we even having this conversation take

00:11:48.100 it from some place in hud that doesn't need it and so we've been trapped in these paradigms and then

00:11:53.080 you look at that funding you just took it from hud and you're thinking oh man i really i really hurt

00:11:57.160 the the homelessness issue or i'm gonna really have to explain that but then you realize and you

00:12:02.860 realize that section eight housing is this massive program that's leading to crime in our

00:12:08.460 neighborhoods that's leading to uh depressed home values then you realize there's a fair housing

00:12:14.100 network that's funded by the hud that's all they do is a bunch of left-wing activism that's designed

00:12:19.460 to break up single-family zoning and so you've got to really begin to think through this is not about

00:12:25.460 affordability this is about specifically what do we want to fund and we're going to fund those and what

00:12:30.460 are we not going to fund because they're our enemy and we're going to defund that in an increasingly

00:12:35.700 accurate way and so this is the start of it did we get everything no but we've got a lot of it

00:12:41.280 and we're going to keep going after the bureaucracy each and every opportunity that we have before we

00:12:47.820 go to break and i'm gonna get cortez in here at the break let me um walk me through how in 10 years

00:12:54.520 had just the macro how do you get to balance now that you do your two trillion dollars not counting the

00:13:02.100 interest cost on discretionary how do you even how do you even get this in 10 years to balance

00:13:08.660 sure uh here's the basic plan that we put forward number one you got to have economic growth

00:13:15.220 you can't not you can't balance the budget without economic growth and so we extend the tax cuts we

00:13:20.460 assume all the things that we would do in a trump administration and we get the economy growing at

00:13:25.340 three percent 3.1 next year and then 2.8 throughout the rest of the the window and that's critical

00:13:31.460 because if you don't grow the economy your target keeps getting bigger and the country is hurting

00:13:36.680 from unemployment and you just don't have an ability to have a political coalition to get it done so

00:13:41.740 that's step one the next one is spending restraint and you can't balance the budget without spending

00:13:47.920 reform and cuts so we're putting forward nine trillion dollars in spending cuts three trillion of

00:13:54.680 it is is focused on the woke and the weaponized bureaucracy well the lack of a red wave during the

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00:15:03.000 use your agency here's your host stephen k bannon okay welcome back um i want to make sure that this

00:15:15.280 is uh this is uh the thing itself because this is going to drive so much of the conversation

00:15:20.260 um we've got russ vote restoring america has put together this budget different than the rc has got

00:15:26.300 some pretty big differences cortez give me your initial thoughts and then i want to get into some

00:15:30.560 more details of the russ sure well steve first of all this is incredibly exciting you know and i really

00:15:35.600 mean that as you know i'm kind of an economic and interest rate geek so this kind of talk is music to

00:15:40.780 my ears but it's so important for our entire country even if you're not really into those topics this

00:15:45.720 matters so much on the political side let me say that i hope kevin mccarthy will take this proposal

00:15:50.780 really seriously and read it i'm excited to read the details i hope he will do the same and consider

00:15:55.360 this i think that it would make his bid for the speakership much much stronger but on the economic

00:15:59.840 side too i want to talk about the interest rate component and russ i want to you know ask you about

00:16:04.120 this because i think this is critical on election day in 2020 when joe biden prevailed 10 year yield was

00:16:10.160 0.8 money was practically free which really uh amassed a lot of this budget profligacy right a lot

00:16:17.540 of our exorbitant borrowing and spending uh was was sort of allowed because of extremely low suppressed

00:16:24.320 artificially suppressed interest rates uh the 10 year yield is now four times that amount so debt service

00:16:29.500 costs really matter deficits really really matter all of a sudden all over the world we saw what

00:16:35.040 happened in the uk so russ what are your projections regarding interest rates and debt service costs

00:16:39.980 and how does that factor into your ability over 10 years to get us back to a balanced budget a place

00:16:45.120 of fiscal sanity you know every morning is what's that 10 year yield looking like and uh when i left

00:16:54.980 uh it was you know 80 basis points 90 basis points and uh we're looking at a situation where we had to

00:17:02.420 adjust for higher interest rates and we assume a three percent uh not because that's we're going to end

00:17:08.820 this year at 2022 but just in terms of the average over the course of the year and then we assume

00:17:13.960 that interest rates will go up higher in 2023 which is the main budget year of this proposal

00:17:18.480 to 3.9 and then we believe because this is post policy this is on the other side of our policy

00:17:24.780 changes that it will come down to 3.2 percent over the life of the window but we're not assuming that

00:17:30.280 we go back to kind of those glory days those heady days of you know the lords of easy money pumping a ton of

00:17:36.860 money into it of and depending on the u.s to be the reserve capital for the rest of eternity at at

00:17:42.740 at such low interest rates so that's kind of how we see the projection of this and we think that as

00:17:48.200 a result this is is is a more credible budget than you're going to see from the administration or even

00:17:53.020 cbo to some extent right and by the way i would just say you know as a guy who traded bonds for 25

00:17:58.260 years for a living i think you're approaching it exactly correctly assume first that interest rates

00:18:03.160 actually get worse from here because that's likely going to happen but then over time with a more

00:18:07.480 restrained budget with better economic growth because of it interest rates actually start to

00:18:11.380 come back down i think that's exactly the correct approach and really gives you i think a lot of

00:18:15.680 credibility to your projections yeah big time i i think and steve i think we can talk about some

00:18:20.320 assumptions because growth rate and interest rates and we want the audience you've got to get up to

00:18:24.520 speed on this nomenclature because this affects your personal life also your political life but your

00:18:30.460 personal life uh because russ is kind of laying out uh what the future could look like i want to

00:18:36.220 make sure though that there's some huge differences you guys have done and i want to make sure the

00:18:41.620 audience understands that and you get a chance to explain it in in these nine trillion dollars worth

00:18:46.760 of cuts three trillion uh from uh what programmatically and then nine trillion um it from it looks like from

00:18:55.600 existing i don't know medicaid you don't i just want to show the audience understands or six

00:18:59.840 strand you don't touch for beneficiaries social security or medicare right now are not really

00:19:06.280 touching this correct correct that's a major difference that we are intentionally making a

00:19:11.660 strategic play call very consistent with the the promises that president trump made when he ran for

00:19:18.060 office i wrote four of his budgets these were how we got to balance and we avoided cuts any cuts to

00:19:24.180 social security retirement and we made sure that any changes to medicare were not going to be cuts to

00:19:29.800 beneficiaries so we have changes to medicare uh things like prescription drug reforms when you have

00:19:35.820 prescription drug reforms you get 200 billion dollars in savings that lower the cost of the beneficiary

00:19:41.160 just by going and making sure that we're going to get the same price that pharmaceutical companies are

00:19:47.560 giving to other nations across the country another thing that you could do is just site neutrality

00:19:52.620 that's a word that says like if medicare is paying for a cat scan like 230 at uh the hospital but

00:20:00.540 they're only paying for 118 in the physician's office we want to get that lowest price that's not 0.79

00:20:06.900 hurting the beneficiary that's site neutrality and you can get substantial amount of money from that

00:20:11.380 so we have very protected beneficiaries to make sure both politically and i think there's like

00:20:18.780 there there's always a logic to the promises that were made on behalf of these beneficiaries they

00:20:23.700 paid into trust funds for decades that and led surpluses in those trust funds and then the fiscal wonks

00:20:30.000 all said that that was a dedicated trust fund it though that was all spent money on government on

00:20:35.980 bureaucracy and so i think the american people are looking at sitting back and saying you know until you

00:20:40.580 deal with the statute of bob dylan in mozambique don't come and ask me to raise the retirement age in

00:20:46.560 social security and we don't do that this is a budget that could pass next year uh with the

00:20:51.580 commitments to donald trump made and also every republican's constituency should be able to pass

00:20:56.620 this budget this is uh a key point and differentiates what you guys have done from so much else

00:21:04.220 um and we're going to go back and make sure we reiterate that for the hours over because people

00:21:08.680 have to understand it okay so if i have essentially social security and medicare off to the side except for

00:21:14.640 some marginal tweaks and like prescription drugs um which would make it even better to the to the

00:21:22.240 beneficiaries um i've then got the whole discretionary part which is the defense budget and everything

00:21:28.020 else plus medicaid right is that essentially what is in the field of things i can deal with right the

00:21:34.560 discretionary part of this which is defense and all the other all the other departments agencies

00:21:39.300 the administrative state plus medicaid that is your field of hey let's go and figure out how we how we

00:21:46.400 deconstruct that is correct yeah well we have more mandatory reforms than just medicaid but you're

00:21:52.160 hitting the big moving targets the heart of this budget is on that discretionary piece why because that's

00:21:58.140 what members have a vote on every single year we talk about it on this program and they don't have a vote

00:22:04.040 on the mandatories every year they have to create a vote to do that and so not only is the number one

00:22:09.260 threat facing the country it's what the members have a vote on it but we deal with food stamp nation 1.00

00:22:14.060 we deal with the the fact that we're subsidizing colleges and universities through these subsidies to

00:22:20.920 for post-secondary degrees and graduate degrees we go at a lot of different things all from the

00:22:27.640 america first perspective and then we try to spend where we need to on infrastructure we increase money

00:22:33.140 for the department of transportation on nasa we we get rid of science and we put it towards space exploration

00:22:40.060 we give money to career and technical education in education because we want to be able to further that

00:22:46.040 and and de-emphasize hit the gas on on this notion that you don't need a college degree to be successful

00:22:52.700 and have a six-figure job down the road in some of these key areas where the economy has needs so that's really

00:22:59.420 how we're trying to go about this and all of the reforms that we are doing on the mandatory side

00:23:04.520 really fit in with getting the labor force participation uh growing and expanding so that

00:23:12.320 we can get better economic gains and reducing welfare so disability insurance people gain disability they

00:23:18.500 have an ability to get back in the workforce it's a form of welfare at this point we change that with

00:23:24.520 some common sense reforms over 10 years before we go to break and i want to get cortez in here but

00:23:29.360 real quickly over 10 years the aggregate spending that you took the nine train off was what what was

00:23:35.580 the aggregate spending in aggregate over the 10 years uh aggregate spending under the baseline

00:23:41.500 um would have been um about 30 um about 72 trillion dollars of spending over 10 years

00:23:52.080 72 trillion in that you cut that that is what's cut by nine trillion dollars over the 10 years right

00:23:58.780 that correct yep so we had just to give you a better perspective the baseline and that's just budget code

00:24:05.020 for um what you're currently expecting to spend under current law deficits are 15 trillion dollars

00:24:11.880 we turn those deficits into four trillion dollars and that's why we see the impact from a standpoint of

00:24:18.240 balance and why we believe you're putting the country on a fiscal trajectory that they can then

00:24:22.800 uh pay for we're going to go through that in the next segment um steve cortez i know you got to bounce

00:24:31.280 your summary thoughts here before we measure well listen there is a global bond market revolt going on a

00:24:37.040 revolt against joe biden and his budgets here in the united states so to some extent we don't have a

00:24:42.160 choice okay steve we have to pursue these reforms the bond market is forcing us into that but it's also a

00:24:47.480 good thing because as russ is pointing out it doesn't just make eminent economic sense it's also

00:24:52.880 the method to starve the beast that is permanent washington and all the damage that it is doing to

00:24:58.960 american society culturally uh politically in all ways economically starve the beast and the way we do 0.93

00:25:05.940 that is remove the funding for permanent washington yeah the administrative state is 72 trillion dollars

00:25:11.620 also you starve the beast you also it's also the crowding out in capital markets of

00:25:17.240 having to finance this over and over again yeah this has to happen it's just the methodology it's

00:25:23.200 going to happen and we're going to talk about that next cortez how do people get to you on social

00:25:27.380 media there's so much news breaking all the time and your live streams are fantastic your sub stacks

00:25:31.960 are fantastic i learn stuff every day thank you and i have a live stream today i'm going to be the

00:25:36.760 warm-up act for the afternoon war room so 4 p.m eastern i have a live stream on florida as the

00:25:41.820 political model uh for america 4 p.m on getter i'm at steve there at getter on twitter i'm at

00:25:48.180 cortez steve please see me at four and then tune in of course to war room at five but by the way i put

00:25:53.780 this de santis piece up which you hadn't had a chance to get to it's really amazing you're on

00:25:57.940 de santis piece so i hope you go through that in great detail by the way governor de santis i put

00:26:02.140 up on getter throwing down on the vax throwing down on modern and pfizer kind of hold him accountable

00:26:08.680 we're going to try to get his uh his uh surgeon uh general uh lapido dr lapido on here because he's

00:26:15.340 obviously a central part of that steve cortez thank you we're going to return uh with russ vote uh we're

00:26:20.820 going to be talking about your future because that's what these numbers do the manifestation of

00:26:25.680 this is the future for your children and your grandchildren all next in the war room

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00:27:54.320 stephen k van okay uh we want everybody out in metro phoenix december 17th through the 20th war room's

00:28:03.080 going to be there charlie kirk the team at turning point usa putting on this america fest everybody's

00:28:08.800 going to be there the list of speakers go to the website right now list of speakers going to be

00:28:12.380 amazing from josh hawley to tucker carlson candace owens yours truly uh i'm going to be there uh make

00:28:19.500 some presentations uh we're going to do the show live from there all of our production staff will

00:28:23.760 be there you get to meet everybody so we're going to do meet and greets make sure everybody gets to

00:28:28.500 know each other so make sure you come great way to end the year and most importantly focus on

00:28:32.660 2023 and beyond do we have the do we have the norman let's i want to play this this is how this

00:28:38.500 is what we're talking about on the politics of it ralph norman from south carolina one of the hard

00:28:43.820 nose in relation to us um kevin mccarthy let's hear it we're now honored to be joined by congressman

00:28:49.720 ralph norman from south carolina five uh congressman norman uh you were on the john solomon show last night

00:28:55.680 made some uh waves by saying that you were a hard no on kevin mccarthy as uh for speaker could you

00:29:02.240 walk us through your thinking on that sir sure well steve first of all uh there's nowhere it's

00:29:10.740 written that only one person can take the mantle of speaker kevin mccarthy has had four years to i

00:29:18.600 guess make the case why he's the best uh to handle the what's going to be a very difficult job

00:29:24.720 speaker of the house is the most powerful position i would argue in the country today particularly as it

00:29:31.380 affects the purse strings which the house controls um he did it with me or i guess this was the the

00:29:39.900 thing that one i didn't understand and two i was shocked when in front of the caucus i said

00:29:46.160 uh kevin would you agree to go with the rsc budget of seven years of balancing the budget which had some

00:29:53.880 severe cuts and uh he just said no and not only is the leader responsible for presenting the plan

00:30:02.280 but just a solid no uh led me to believe he's really not serious about it i'm done with 20-year

00:30:10.780 budgets the american people are done this country's got a cancer and uh ashburn's not gonna cure it and

00:30:17.500 do i want mccarthy going in negotiating with uh schumer and uh with the powers that be it's just not

00:30:26.560 in him to do it he's a nice man i like him but this country's we've got problems and economic

00:30:33.560 economic security is national security the two go hand in hand and i just don't think he's taking

00:30:38.680 it seriously and it's not business as usual in washington do you think you and i would be having

00:30:42.800 this conversation if the house if we had a 30 to 40 seat margin no it'd just be business as usual

00:30:50.520 and and went on and the great thing about what happened i never thought i'd say this is is a

00:30:56.260 slim majority uh that's ralph norman from south carolina uh interview we had a couple weeks ago now

00:31:02.860 uh russ vote i want you to respond to uh congressman ralph norman who said this country has a cancer

00:31:12.060 and aspirin's not gonna salt not gonna cure it sir yeah i agree with them i mean i think this is why

00:31:19.040 we wrote this budget is that there is a view on capitol hill that balance is not possible and that

00:31:26.820 there is not a real plan to be able to deal with our fiscal imbalances and so it allowed people like

00:31:33.100 kevin mccarthy to say well show me your plan uh and we wanted to be able to do that and so he right now

00:31:39.600 is not a paradigm shifting speaker because he has rejected really easy requests uh for instance why

00:31:47.420 didn't the commitment to america that they ran on no one probably knows that they ran on it but

00:31:52.340 you know why didn't that include a very simple we're going to balance in 10 uh maybe you don't

00:31:58.000 want to go to balance in seven because of some of the things you need to do in social security why not

00:32:01.380 balance in 10 and that would be something that then you just tell your budget chairman that's what

00:32:07.120 you need to do we're not having that debate because they didn't do it so we had to come

00:32:11.840 forward and give them a plan to do it so that whoever's the house budget committee chairman say

00:32:15.780 i may have some disagreements for how you got there but don't tell me it's not possible that's

00:32:20.680 what we're trying to solve and as a result we're busting through the cartel in a way that that really

00:32:25.920 shows them what can be done and allows a member like ralph norman to go into the speaker's chamber

00:32:31.120 and be able to say this has been done you guys need to get on board or you're not going to get my

00:32:35.660 vote the founders the in the wisdom of the founders they put the control of the appropriations

00:32:41.920 in the house because you're most responsible to the people this was the vision they had but to use

00:32:47.400 that leverage you got to get access to that leverage this is the whole thing this is why we fight this

00:32:52.260 omnibus every second of every day up here and then after the show because right now what they want

00:32:57.360 to do is give nancy pelosi a kiss all these people shelby and everybody they want to cut a big thing 1.00

00:33:02.220 for their lobbyists for their donors for their sponsors when they go out the door and really

00:33:06.720 handcuff uh the new house majority because let's talk about it you're fighting to say no we got to

00:33:13.260 do a short you guys have done so many short terms do another short term let's get into january

00:33:16.960 once we get into january i keep saying you're going to need titanium stones to do this just in year one

00:33:24.620 i want to make sure the audience gets a fair assessment of this just in year one the fiscal

00:33:29.120 year that we're talking about that we don't want to do the omnibus we'll handle next year

00:33:32.700 what type of cuts in discretionary spending are you arguing for sir when you read our budget most of

00:33:40.680 our numbers are going to be in fiscal year 21 when we missed a year because that's kind of how

00:33:45.240 the most accurate information we had but let me give you the number as a fiscal year 22 okay this is the

00:33:51.420 real numbers from a non-defense perspective we're asking for about 25 cut we're actually

00:33:56.740 increasing defense spending by six percent not as much as they want they want a 10 increase in this

00:34:02.100 ndaa and then we've we restrain it in the years ahead as we get a hold of our america first

00:34:07.920 commitments overseas entanglements but for next year you know you've got a six percent increase in

00:34:13.420 defense and you've got a 25 cut non-defense and we've given you every opportunity to have provide a

00:34:19.200 specific so we can tell you exactly where we believe your surgical scalpel should be we're

00:34:24.960 not asking for across the board cuts here hold it so and first off you know and i know there's logic

00:34:31.620 there i i'm for and i'm a hawk i'm for we have to cut defense and i think we have to have some real

00:34:37.580 cuts in defense start using economic warfare more than navy's got to be built up we have we have to

00:34:42.660 reorganize the defense budget's out of control right it's just out of control and it's no thinking i don't

00:34:47.900 even know if we got audits we'll get into that later but let's wonder when you say 25 you you say

00:34:52.780 take defense out of all the other discretionary spending right you're saying that it's going to

00:34:59.120 be a top line 25 cut but you're going to go through program programmatically programmatic to program

00:35:05.100 is is have you met a republican yet that's prepared because that means you're you're you're forcing a

00:35:13.100 showdown with biden that they'll clearly shut down the government right do you have you met a

00:35:18.640 republican yet that has the guts to put to stand and deliver on that uh on on those type of cuts

00:35:25.420 coming out of the box i believe so i think your members in your house freedom caucus

00:35:31.300 we've been working with a lot of them to preview what we're doing they asked for this budget they have

00:35:37.200 the guts to do that but here's the thing steve we intentionally wrote this budget from a non-accounting

00:35:44.560 austerity perspective so what what does that mean it means we're funding things that we believe are

00:35:49.840 important as conservatives america first uh individuals and we are cutting things that any

00:35:55.440 conservative should be able to go home and explain to their voters why they have the moral high ground to

00:36:00.860 cut it so whether that's hud whether that's epa that's putting navy veterans in jail for violating

00:36:06.060 waters of the united states and putting four ponds on their ranch in every agency we have given the

00:36:11.740 moral high ground for why they can be for the cuts and so do we have all republicans supportive of this

00:36:17.540 no not yet but we're we're calling their bluff to say we have written a budget that you can sell in any of

00:36:25.060 your constituencies we go light on farm programs we have increases for florida in in in nasa space

00:36:31.760 exploration we increase funding for veterans we have an increase for defense but we we do to your

00:36:37.140 point make significant reforms to the complex the the industrial complex but we're calling the bluff of

00:36:43.220 the appropriators the republican establishment cartel members to say don't be for autopilot bureaucracy

00:36:50.820 as far as the eye can see come and look at why they are arrayed against your own voters and then take

00:36:58.060 that to the floor of the house and vote it because we believe this is something that you can sell and

00:37:02.540 win politically yeah okay so we're going to take a lot more time on this i think what we're going to do

00:37:07.900 is actually have a special either on getter i'll take the six o'clock show where i have a little more

00:37:12.380 breathing room to go through it here's why russ vote is the guy to do this and here's why when we were in

00:37:19.080 the white house with this massive five and a half six trillion dollars you can call russ up and say

00:37:24.960 hey look i got questions about this program and then he said give me 20 minutes he come over with

00:37:30.880 two guys right the two guys with the you know the veins running up the cranium of the forehead to the

00:37:36.180 smartest guys ever met in any program he would walk you through the details on a week-by-week basis of

00:37:41.380 how the money was going out and where it was going programmatically so if you have to talk about

00:37:45.960 somebody programmatically so many people just spin it top line russ vote can bring the receipts

00:37:51.980 he spent essentially his life or at least the last couple of years with president trump going through

00:37:58.240 every line of this budget so he can sit there in front of somebody and say hey here's how you have

00:38:02.400 to do it so in that budget it's not just oh we're just going to do across the board 25 cut you actually

00:38:08.280 go into the administrative state program by program essentially and say we're not funding this

00:38:13.980 anymore right this is ridiculous this is anti not just conservative a lot of this stuff goes against

00:38:19.880 uh even the basic foundational elements of the country in addition in addition you got to take 0.91

00:38:26.980 the calculation of how you're going to finance it and what russ is saying i'm going to bring interest

00:38:32.400 rates down and get growth up because i'm a show that we're going to take the beast down we're going to

00:38:37.080 take the leviathan down take out the crowding out of in the capital markets of this continual

00:38:42.800 federal reserve having to go out and print additional money that's essentially the theory

00:38:47.780 of the case it's program by program right it's not just some general cut program by program do you

00:38:52.620 get to the cuts and you'll see a concomitant eventual drop in interest rates and you'll see

00:38:57.760 an increase in growth is that essentially the model you nailed it we want to give people who want

00:39:04.840 to deal with our fiscal house we want to give them moral high ground to know that they are saving

00:39:09.940 the country from a government that is oppressing them right now okay so russ vote you're gonna

00:39:15.900 i know you got to bounce uh and i want to give you a couple minutes you're going to roll this out

00:39:19.900 by the way they're going to rip russ votes face off just understand because this is what dc's dc is

00:39:28.520 about money and power okay and russ vote is walking in and say hey i got a way to both uh take down the

00:39:36.480 money and get it back to the american people and decrease your power so ought to that is the heart

00:39:41.540 drain the swamps too too cute a term this is the kill zone this is where it'll get nasty it'll get

00:39:47.520 personal this is why they get the fbi and doj all in twitter this is this is their greatest fear

00:39:53.860 this is trump this is trumpism weaponized this is trumpism going to the heart of the problem the

00:40:01.640 administrative state okay and how it's funded how it grows is what's into and russ is sitting there

00:40:07.740 going you know i think you're in a couple of areas he shouldn't be and here's what we're going to do

00:40:12.000 how about zero how about zero the fights on capitol hill are going to be firefights like you've never

00:40:18.240 seen before literally that russ voting of a big picture of russ voting a poster of taking food out

00:40:23.080 of baby's mouths of kicking people into being homeless of you're going to be you're going to be

00:40:28.580 scrooge on testosterone correct russ vote you know it's coming yeah we know it's coming and that's 0.96

00:40:34.500 what this is all about you're not going to save your country by by avoiding the fire the only way

00:40:39.920 out is through the fire the people on this on this show are those who realize that they are the cavalry

00:40:46.700 and we want to arm every statesman at the local level to know exactly how to save their country

00:40:52.440 fiscally and culturally because it can be done and right now what you're seeing in this lame

00:40:58.400 duck is you are seeing this show will politicians to fight for a new speaker to fight against the

00:41:05.340 lame duck spending package and to fight for a balanced budget that deals with woken weaponized 1.00

00:41:10.700 bureaucracy that is what we know we have behind us in this fight and that's going to give us

00:41:17.200 encouragement every step of the way as this gets hot and heavy we're going to keep russ for a few

00:41:22.840 minutes after the break because we're going to ask him about specifically about the rollout today

00:41:26.100 heroic measures uh from his center we're getting all that how it's going to be rolled out how you

00:41:31.800 learn more about it short break russ vote for a few minutes on the other side

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00:43:50.100 okay russ vote is i guess again for a few more minutes by the way up on capitol hill russ debt ceiling

00:43:56.340 i think we might themes even kind of signal that might have been kicked into next year because we've made

00:44:01.400 it too hot to handle uh the the amnesty thing we're going to fight that's josh hawley and others

00:44:07.140 even cornyn said there'll be no immigration deal so cornyn who's never really been that hard on it

00:44:11.820 said ain't happening because he runs their understanding of running out of texas um we've

00:44:17.040 got the defense authorization that's a whole fiasco tell us about omnibus are we going to have a chance

00:44:22.520 to allow you to provide the tools to the new house whoever the speaker is to fight this is this going to

00:44:30.460 get kicked into january are we going to are they going to cut deals we're going to lose this right now as

00:44:34.580 you see it right now the trend lines are going in our direction on kicking that spending leverage

00:44:41.620 point into the new years yesterday mitch mcconnell said and floated the idea of a short-term cr

00:44:47.980 obviously this program has been pushing that for months a year frankly and so we are in we're on the

00:44:55.640 cusp of winning on the debt limit we've i think we already have one on that we are about to win on the

00:45:00.680 omnibus bill we have immense pressure on the speaker's race i don't my hope is that the folks

00:45:06.300 who listen to this and interact with their members of congress in a real way don't get tired of winning

00:45:10.640 because we have a real shot to have paradigm shifting results we just got to keep it up for 0.96

00:45:16.260 a couple more days to get this out of the hands of the retiring big spenders like roy blunt and dick

00:45:22.640 shelby and into the new congress where you have a slim house majority that can use the power of the

00:45:28.320 purse effectively um and i want everybody to man the phones get to your house members today because

00:45:34.400 this fight so mitch mcconnell i think was also signaling to the guys that he wants to cut the

00:45:39.380 deals you better cut the deals you got like 24 hours to cut your deals i don't have to go in a

00:45:43.120 different direction so trust me mitch mcconnell wants the omnibus done um ross for our audience how

00:45:51.520 does it where do you go on the rollout of this now where should they be looking it's going to look

00:45:56.400 like a lot of hand-to-hand work where we're going to be getting in front of members of congress

00:45:59.880 and educating on what we do in various aspects of this and winning the debate look we we try to pick

00:46:05.240 big confrontation big fights nationalize the debate over strategic leverage points so now we're going

00:46:11.260 to go and nationalize it and win the debate and this is a huge part of what we're trying to do

00:46:16.640 you can get me at any of the channels at russ vote you'll get details if you go to americarenewing.com

00:46:22.780 you'll see a two-page executive summary you'll see the whole hundred page budget you'll see a list

00:46:28.260 of our examples of the worst the worst of the woke and the weaponized and you'll see an introduction

00:46:33.400 from me which gets at the ways that we're trying to change the paradigms that has caused us to lose

00:46:39.260 for 20 years i'm trying i'm tired of being in a cul-de-sac where we lose on every budget battle

00:46:44.080 because we don't have the moral high ground because our own people are defending leviathan

00:46:48.620 i want to delegitimize leviathan by the way this is going to be the fight i mean this is going to be

00:46:54.720 it's going to be gnarly but it should be it's got to be you're going to save the country this is the

00:46:59.340 fight you have to have russ vote one more time how do they get to the site i want people to get their

00:47:03.780 up to their elbows in this thing to know the details they can go right now americarenewing.com

00:47:10.500 the budget is all all over the place uh find the details and then on getter truth and even twitter

00:47:17.920 at russ vote they can get all the details russ vote uh thank you honored to have you on here great work

00:47:24.540 and uh we'll help you we we will have your back in nationalizing this debate about leviathan thank you

00:47:30.200 sir thanks steve the paradigm shift is the administrative state and the funding mechanism for

00:47:36.340 it this is why things are out of control and too many people you elect get there and they've got the

00:47:40.400 uh the administrative state do we have larry fink what a great way let's i tell you what let's go

00:47:44.560 ahead and play larry fink uh one of the worst people in this country uh yammering on at uh at deal book

00:47:50.920 at the conference let's play it i don't think there's been any changes at all we've always talked

00:47:56.400 first of all we're writing things that we think about are really being impactful the long term

00:48:01.540 unfortunately the long term is not something that is topical today and let's be clear populism is not

00:48:07.640 about long termism populism is about the moment and let me be clear one of the greatest reasons

00:48:12.980 we have inflation is because of populism we are doing things for the short term we're trying and

00:48:18.580 so many of things i mean i could go on on the whole short termism of populism what we've done

00:48:23.520 and created this inflation but um you know i've always spoken guy is this guy's a bozo a former bond 0.80

00:48:32.100 trader okay this guy's a clown he couldn't stand everything he said there's a lie he's blaming 0.97

00:48:39.320 inflation on populism he's blaming inflation on populism uh ronda santis did the other day he jerked 0.97

00:48:47.400 two billion dollars i think it was two billion dollars of florida pension funds state controlled 0.88

00:48:52.240 out of black rock black larry fink is one of the most evil destructive individuals in this nation 0.74

00:48:58.360 okay evil destructive individuals with no real academic background there's no real he's a bond trader

00:49:04.640 that's an asset manager now okay a bond trader is an asset manager and yet he's the great titan of

00:49:10.520 wall street he's going to dictate esg all this this incredibly destructive ideas and

00:49:17.060 concepts emanate from all these intellectuals the intelligentsia right around him and then he comes 0.99

00:49:22.960 up with it and he's the great uh he's the great prophet of this larry fink is a clown a dangerous 0.83

00:49:28.620 clown and we're going to make him famous because larry fink's one of the guys the guy has to be 0.52

00:49:33.580 confronted and this gets to all this donor class the big donor class also in back of the republican 0.95

00:49:39.620 party larry fink's not that he's a uh you know he's a hardcore you may lie about it he's a hardcore

00:49:44.980 democrat but this is you know populism's uh the inflation problem is because of populism

00:49:50.240 inflation problems because of populism well larry why don't you address uh russ vote's

00:49:55.320 uh budget because this appropriation is this budget the spending of money this is a pot the the populist 0.97

00:50:02.520 don't want to feed the beast and they don't want to feed dangerous clowns like you who are in business 0.68

00:50:09.840 with the chinese communist party let me give you some long-termism right a couple with some short 0.97

00:50:15.060 termism ask laobai jing about larry fink ask laobai jing the enslaved people of china about larry fink

00:50:22.140 in the in the oligarchs on wall street we'll get into all that five to seven back here we're going to

00:50:27.560 be lit today as every day see you back here at war room at uh at uh 5 p.m until then make sure by the

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Bannon's War Room - December 07, 2022

Episode 2356： Attacking And Dismantling The Bureaucratic State

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