Breaking news from our own correspondents, Natalie Winters at AmFest, and Dave Walsh in the UK about the protests in London about energy policy. Plus, the latest on the latest in the Ukraine crisis, including a new report from the New York Post on the CIA spying on pro-Kiev forces.
00:01:57.000But they had an article where they're going to put together a massive militia force with Kiev in the in the in the grid being bombed and shelled every night in Russia,
00:02:05.000which is so good on artillery hammering them every night.
00:02:07.000They're going to put together a and Millie saying there's no military path to a victory here after being told that there was by MSNBC and CNN.
00:02:33.000How many Ukrainians will die needlessly if we continue to give the false hope that a militia is going to somehow go take a Crimea back, ma'am?
00:02:46.000I mean, Crimea is one of the most 45 targets, you know, for Ukrainians.
00:02:52.000Putin is never going to give up Crimea.
00:02:54.000He will go all the way to nuclear, triggering the Russian escalate to deescalate doctrine that envisions the detonation of a low yield tactical nuclear warhead in Ukraine in order to prevent that from happening.
00:03:09.000But what is disturbing is that all these lies that we are being told, not only Zelensky is deploying militia, he's deploying his security services to raid churches and monasteries and arrest Prius, Orthodox Prius, interrogating them.
00:03:42.000One hundred and twenty third on the scale, just a little bit less corrupt than Russia.
00:03:48.000And so the American people just need to know the truth.
00:03:51.000And it's only war room and outlets like that that deliver this truth and not the disinformation that the rest of us, especially liberal media, are telling the American people.
00:04:05.000We need to really stop listening to those guys because they're using FBI to shape the narrative of Twitter.
00:04:33.000So we've got we've got thousands of demonstrators in the streets today in London demonstrating for Iranian freedom.
00:04:41.000This has been going on for about half an hour in front of parliament.
00:04:46.000And it's all about a despotic regime, dictatorial, religious based regime regime who in the last year have been a key trading ally of the United States for oil.
00:04:58.000As you know, the audience knows the Biden administration have sought out the leadership of the government that we're on as a validated trading partner for oil and gas for our country, despite our having an abundance of fuels.
00:05:12.000It's rather remarkable that we're supporting the very government, our own leadership that is the cause of this kind of rioting and demonstrating in the UK at this time.
00:05:23.000I haven't stumbled into NBC in front of Buckingham Palace just a few days ago, covering important issues such as the relationship of Harry and Meghan period, not the energy crisis in England, not the fact that 14 million Brits are living in below the poverty level.
00:05:40.000Now, covering Meghan and Harry, our media here in the UK.
00:05:45.000A disgrace. Dave Walsh, thank you very much. We look forward to it.
00:05:50.000I'm going to try to get you back on the Monday show. We appreciate the fact that you're on vacation there and you've been holiday and you've jumped in to help us out here. Thank you very much, sir.
00:06:00.000Fantastic. So, Rebecca, before I let you go, you've got protests in the streets.
00:06:04.000You've got the Iranians are fighting for freedom, particularly this whole movement with women there.
00:06:09.000Russia is now doing a deal with remember the CCP did a 40 year output deal on oil.
00:06:16.000You got Putin doing a strategic military deal with with the mullahs.
00:06:21.000Are the mullahs going anywhere anytime soon? Do you think, ma'am?
00:06:24.000Unfortunately, I don't believe that because another thing that Putin is doing is he's providing help to the Iranians to suppress the protests.
00:06:38.000And Putin is a master of it. Remember, he has stood up his own 300,000 National Guard with the specific purpose of protecting his regime.
00:06:49.000So he's a former KGB operative. He is a professional assassin and his inner circle is protected by those types of, you know, assassins.
00:07:01.000And they can train the Iranians on those tactics.
00:07:05.000Putin is an expert on it. And so, unfortunately, the biggest threat right now is Russia sharing their nuclear know how with Iran.
00:07:16.000That is the top threat, not the Russian threat that supposedly threatening Europe.
00:07:21.000How how is the Russia presenting a threat to a NATO country?
00:07:27.000They're struggling securing military victory over a much smaller opponent, Ukraine.
00:07:33.000So this whole lie that the Washington establishment has targeted the American people with the disinformation about Russia attacking a NATO country is absolute nonsense.
00:07:46.000It's nonsensical. And they are counting on our stupidity.
00:07:50.000But the American people are not stupid. The American people have already caught on to the fact that the Biden administration is just a bunch of crooks, you know, and liars.
00:08:35.000I'm so proud to be here on War Room, Steve, because you're one of very, very few outlets now in the United States delivering truth to the American people.
00:08:46.000The rest of them are just like back in the USSR that I could experience.
00:09:45.000Mersheimer of Chicago and Natalie Winters is a University of Chicago graduate.
00:09:50.000Mersheimer said we're this back in 14.
00:09:54.000He said it all that we're leading the Ukrainian people down the primrose path to their destruction because of elites in the West.
00:10:02.000And of course, we're not defending Russia.
00:10:04.000The KGB is a criminal cartel, just like the CCP, maybe even worse than the CCP.
00:10:10.000Natalie Winters, talk to us about you've got this piece on disinformation.
00:10:15.000You're even though you're young in years, you've become pretty, I don't say cynical, a little hardened because you're such an investigative reporter you've seen.
00:10:24.000Well, you've just seen the lies and misrepresentations on the biomedical security program.
00:10:29.000You're one of the top one, two or three investigative reporters in the world about the Chinese Communist Party and its infiltration of the West.
00:10:37.000Talk to me about the revelations coming out now with this new story you've got up.
00:10:42.000Sure. Well, I think it's important to contextualize it because the government funded program that I found in terms of correcting beliefs held by misinformation is, I would say, scary enough to stand on its own.
00:10:54.000But I think it's a lot more scary, even more nefarious when you consider it, this grant in the context of what the federal government has been doing in terms of not just censoring misinformation, but sort of taking proactive steps to try to stop these beliefs.
00:11:10.000These so-called, you know, misinformed beliefs from really festering in the brains of Americans to begin with.
00:11:16.000I think at this point it's safe to say that there really is a misinformation industrial complex that exists in terms of a fusion between the private and public sector in trying to suppress narratives that are unfavorable, whether it's towards the Biden regime, COVID-19 vaccine makers.
00:11:35.300Whereas I would say it goes all the way to the Chinese Communist Party, I think a lot of times when we catch these entities, whether it's, you know, the FBI, in this case, the DHS, even in this case, it's the National Science Foundation.
00:11:48.680When we catch them in the act of trying to censor misinformation, I think it's important to remember that this is just the tip of the iceberg, right?
00:11:56.200This is what sort of flies above the radar that we're able to catch because it's a federally funded program.
00:12:01.680But most of these programs, you know, if Twitter hadn't released those communications, I think a lot of us have the gut feeling that there's this liaising that exists between the public and private sector.
00:12:12.200But what I've found, again, is just, you know, 0.0001%.
00:12:16.360So this grant, in particular, is titled, and this is not a conspiracy, this is literally the title of it, How False Beliefs Form and How to Correct Them.
00:12:26.240And this is a over half a million dollar grant from the National Science Foundation to researchers at Vanderbilt University, where they're working in consult with fact checkers, though the grant doesn't explicitly name who they're working with.
00:12:41.280But they're not just trying to figure out how to combat the spread of misinformation, right?
00:12:46.600That's a euphemism that I think we hear all too often.
00:12:49.660But what I think is particularly nefarious about this program, and I've read the corresponding studies that have been published from this grant,
00:12:57.280they are going down all the way to the level of basically, I mean, testing syntax and phrasing and diction and what words work better in terms of crafting fact checks to make Americans believe what fact checkers say, how to make it the most salient.
00:13:15.440And all the way down, they talk about cognitive psychology.
00:13:19.200You can go to War Room to read the story and read the abstracts from the papers to see really the, I would say, very alarming level of depth that these people are going,
00:13:28.540not just to stop the spread of disinformation, but how to actively then combat people who hold those viewpoints.
00:13:35.100And as anyone who watches the show knows, the term disinformation really has no bearing, has no anchor.
00:13:42.400It's sort of a floating nebulous term.
00:13:44.960And that very fact is how it's been so exploited by agencies, whether it's FBI, DOJ, DHS, or in this case, even the National Science Foundation.
00:13:54.040You know, we throw around these terms, Orwellian or Kafkaesque or whatever, but this is, this is, but this, you got into the engine room and see how they fund and they interact with the, with the university complex,
00:14:10.720which is just an adjunct to them of, of a shutting down wrong thing, right?
00:14:22.740And now we know it's dangerous because we've seen the revelations of Matt Taibbi and, uh, and Weiss over with Elon Musk at Twitter about the direct involvement of the FBI, 80 FBI, uh, agents working essentially a controlled takeover of, uh, of Twitter.
00:14:40.260Darren B. He's going to be back in a second talk of his, uh, short commercial break.
00:14:43.820Uh, Natalie's going to join us on the other side.
00:14:46.780We've got to get to this blockbuster piece.
00:16:01.060Well, I am someone who's usually very skeptical of conferences because I think there are a lot of times a waste of money, a waste of effort when we should just be, you know, focusing on the grassroots, getting out the vote.
00:16:11.340But I think right now with what we've seen, and honestly, I think it dovetails perfectly with the story that I was just talking about.
00:16:17.700There's such a concerted effort, um, from this government, from the Biden regime to make people who hold the beliefs that you and I do feel isolated and feel alone and make us feel crazy.
00:16:28.520So I think it's really, I would say cathartic in some ways, but really powerful to have such a large gathering of like-minded people to actually organize and figure out, you know, how we move forward.
00:16:39.360Because I think a lot of times, you know, they keep us so apart.
00:16:43.260Um, I think that's one of the, I would say, cons of social media.
00:16:46.860Some people might call it a pro, but I think it's really nice to just be in the same room with a lot of like-minded people to really strategize how to go forward.
00:16:53.340I was just looking at the schedule, looking at some of the speakers here.
00:16:56.740While I'm most excited to see you speak, Steve, uh, there are some other people who, who are just really amazing.
00:17:03.120So I think it's, it's, it's nice to have so many like-minded people, um, in the same room, pushing back against all these FBI contrived narratives on what constitutes misinformation and disinformation.
00:17:14.380I agree. I agree. This is going to be the battle, putting together the battle plan for 2023, because we've got to fire with the football one, the appropriations, right.
00:17:22.440Is the anvil, the investigations of the hammer. So the, and the, the revelations every day are just, just absolutely stunning.
00:17:29.440They, they, they, they boggle the mind we've been talking about a lot. Now you see why people were, um, you know, banned, uh, but then the sophistication of the apparatus everywhere from giving grants to, to Vanderbilt and other schools to start, you know, how do we identify wrong think, but more importantly, how do we convince the proletariats, right.
00:17:49.480The deplorables, how do we convince the proles that they they're part of wrong think and they got to have right think.
00:17:55.120So, um, it's, it's beyond scary. And I'm really proud of the people that we work with that were getting to the bottom of this and everything we have said has been true. Everything. Uh, Natalie, give it, what's your social media? How can people follow you while you're at AmFest, ma'am?
00:18:11.200I'm at Natalie G winters on all platforms.
00:18:15.440You know, Natalie, I've been getting blown up. I've been getting, you know, can you connect with Natalie? We want to interview Natalie. No, no offense. Am I like your agent?
00:18:22.600I mean, I told somebody, I said, I'm not Natalie's agent. Here's the number you call her, you contact her.
00:18:28.180I give out my phone number, but I don't know how long that would end.
00:18:32.440No, I'm not running her calendar. Okay. Look forward to seeing you out there. Thanks. Thanks for getting out there early. Natalie winners. Um, okay. Uh, so, you know, MSNBC and CNN all night, last night, all afternoon yesterday, since CNN broke the story all day today,
00:18:50.380all day tomorrow on the Sunday shows, I'm going to give you a heads up. What's going to be there in all Monday and on national TV starting at noon,
00:18:57.680they're going to do a pregame and then one o'clock is going to be live. And then in Rachel matters already announced she's coming back off the beach to do a special on Monday night,
00:19:04.740MSNBC whole hour special. The, uh, J six committee is going to, um, bring criminal charges against her recommend. They're going to go to the justice.
00:19:14.380It's just a, it's a symbolic, but they're going to refer president Trump for criminal prosecution. There's a, and we're going to spend a lot of time on this in 2023.
00:19:23.400And I want to reintroduce you to a, uh, to a, uh, an individual that has really dedicated his life to get to the bottom of it. And this is part of the story.
00:19:32.140You're going to have to understand because you're going to see it take place. You're already seeing it take place, but it's definitely going to take place around president Trump.
00:19:40.660Uh, the, uh, individuals, Jeff Shepard, he was in the Nixon white house. He's dedicated his life to get to the bottom of what really happened at Watergate.
00:19:49.180Cause the story you've been told is not the, is not the real story. The latest book he's done three, but the latest book is the Nixon conspiracy about how they really plotted and took president Nixon out.
00:20:01.240And I'm not making any defense of Richard Nixon was not the best guy in the world, but he was a great president and he stood for some great things. Domestic policy, maybe not so much.
00:20:10.660But then strategically in international, uh, policy, uh, among the, uh, the finest, any, any, any came into a terrible situation, uh, with the Vietnam war kind of dumped in his lap, uh, Jeff Shepard walk us through what's the connection conspiracy.
00:20:25.540And particularly one aspect nobody's ever really focused on is the federal judiciary, which is kind of held up, you know, sacrosanct, like, uh, Caesar's wife, the federal judiciary, the department of justice.
00:20:37.880And these Hill staffers, these staffers on the Hill that work in conjunction to, they worked in conjunction to take down a president and Hey, they're working in conjunction now to thwart one to, to, to, to make sure Trump didn't have his legitimate second term.
00:20:53.080And to make sure Trump never comes back again, Jeff Shepard, the floor is yours, sir.
00:20:57.940Steve, thank you for having me on. Uh, you're right. I've devoted a great deal of my, uh, my life to getting to the bottom of what really happened in Watergate.
00:21:08.180And, uh, what's really brought that forward is in just the past 10 years, it's 50 years since Watergate, but just in the past 10 years, four caches of documents have surfaced, uh, from the internal records of the Watergate special prosecution force.
00:21:26.860That show that, that, that leave a paper trail of secret meetings, secret memos and secret coordination between the judiciary and the special prosecutors and congressional staff.
00:21:41.900And you wouldn't believe it. And you wouldn't believe it if it weren't there in writing, but it's right there in writing. I can show I've uncovered documents and I've posted them on my website and they're featured in my books, uh, that show at least a dozen secret meetings between the Watergate special prosecutors and chief judge, John Sirica, who was running the trials, both the break in trial and the coverup trial.
00:22:06.560And you don't, you don't have to have gone to law school to understand. You're not supposed to have secret one-sided meetings with the judge.
00:22:14.340And we've also uncovered, uh, uh, proof that Archibald Cox became so worried about judge Sirica's bizarre rulings. They're always pro prosecution. He may as well have sat at the prosecution table that Archie Cox called on his friend,
00:22:32.360chief judge, Chief Judge David Bazelon of the DC circuit and urged him to stack the deck on any appeals from judge Sirica's criminal rulings in, in Watergate.
00:22:44.940Right? So what you find, if you look is there were 12 criminal appeals from judge Sirica's Watergate trials.
00:22:53.460And in all 12 of them, the DC circuit heard the case from the beginning, what's called in bond, the whole nine judges.
00:23:03.840Now in the circuit courts, it's supposed to be three judges on a panel. And if you think that wasn't the right decision, you can petition for a rehearing before all the judges.
00:23:14.940But here for the first time and only time in American history, 12 Watergate cases were heard before the nine judges.
00:23:23.580And that's because it preserved the liberal control of that court. And you, and you have this truly bizarre finding.
00:23:32.100You have secret meetings with a judge and you have the suppression of evidence that would have been helpful to the defendants.
00:23:41.080So, uh, my, my, uh, second book, what the, the first cash came out in 2013 and these were Leon Jaworski's confidential Watergate files that he took with him when leaving office.
00:23:54.940These were government documents, not supposed to take government documents, but Leon did.
00:23:59.120And they didn't surface until well after he passed away and he'd given them to his alma mater, uh, uh, Baylor law school down in Waco, Texas.
00:24:08.640And you, and you, and you, and you, you start reading them.
00:24:11.500They, they became public in response to my FOIA request, but you start reading them and what he's done.
00:24:18.200And he's prepared memos that describe his secret meetings with judge Sereka.
00:24:24.520And as I say, I can show you a paper trail of at least 12 of them.
00:24:30.120And then you have this other set of memos that also surfaced around the same time, around 2013, this first set came out.
00:24:38.640And it's a series of, of, uh, interviews with the original career prosecutors.
00:24:45.480When John Dean came in to switch sides, John Dean was the president's lawyer, but after the break-in and everybody agrees, nobody on the white house staff knew about the break-in in advance, but what sunk them is called the cover-up.
00:28:42.580Why are we talking about the seventies?
00:28:44.040Why are we talking about something that happened 50 years ago, sir?
00:28:47.520Well, what the, what the prosecutors did, the, uh, specially recruited, highly partisan Watergate, uh, special prosecution force accused Nixon of personally having approved a payment of money to one of the, uh, Watergate burglars.
00:29:19.900And then the other, the other parallel, if I could, you know, Mark Twain has this great quote, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.
00:29:27.000And the rhyming to today is just incredible.
00:29:30.940Back then we didn't use the phrase deep state, but let me tell you, it was the deep state against Richard Nixon.
00:29:36.980He'd just been reelected by a landslide margin and they wanted to take that away and they used the urban committee and the urban committee was as much one sided as the January 6th committee is today.
00:29:51.660So it was televised, it was carried live on all the networks, but you only got one point of view.
00:29:57.920You didn't get, you didn't get the other point of view and what the prosecution did.
00:30:02.760The department of justice people, the Watergate special prosecution force, they held off bringing criminal trials where you got all your rights of due process until after the public's mind had been poisoned by these congressional hearings.
00:30:17.780It's startling when you realize it, Steve, but you have no due process rights in front of the Congress.
00:30:25.740When you're called in front of a hearing, they're not under oath.
00:30:29.300You're the only one in the room that's under oath.
00:30:31.760They can say whatever they want about you and you got no rights.
00:30:35.480It isn't until you're in a court of law that the fifth and sixth amendments come into play.
00:30:40.840And that's what happened 50 years ago.
00:30:45.960You wonder why the department of justice has, has taken well over two years before bringing any charges for what happened on January 6th.
00:30:58.920And it's, I think it's because, I mean, it certainly was in Watergate.
00:31:03.760They want the, the, the story, the narrative to come out and in a very, very one-sided way.
00:31:10.580Now, what we learned, I mean, the, the, the road map, the infamous road map where they accused the president of, of, it, it wasn't unsealed until 2018.
00:31:22.500And that was in response to my court petition.
00:31:28.800If they said this in public, we could have refuted it, but they didn't.
00:31:34.240They said it in secret and they kept it secret.
00:31:37.300It didn't even start to come out until 2013 and the actual road map until 2018.
00:31:43.200And it, it really, it, it brings it, you know, it, it, it, it questions your faith in the rule of law.
00:31:50.800We talk about the rule of law, particularly lawyers and, and all the rights you have and the constitution, all those things.
00:31:56.420But those things were for the downtrodden and the picked upon.
00:32:00.800They were not for the high and the mighty.
00:32:03.520And what you've got is people in power or people who are usurping prosecutorial authority, bringing charges that are very, very one-sided and designed for political purposes.
00:32:18.340It just shows you too, when you look at these guys on MSNBC and all the, all these guys, uh, the, the, the, the, the Weisberg, they're all demons and they come, there's demon spawns from this crowd that was back in the seventies.
00:32:28.880I wanted to make sure people can get to your web, because we're going to do an hour special with you, maybe a two hour special, because I got to break this down into component pieces of people fully understand what Trump's up against.
00:32:39.900How did they get to the website, all your information and how they get to the book, particularly the last one, the, the Nixon conspiracy, where are they going?
00:32:48.020The website, the website is www.shepherdonwatergate.com.
00:32:53.700And you're showing the homepage when you go in, uh, uh, and then the three books are across the bottom.
00:33:00.720Uh, uh, if you scroll down just a little bit, if you, if you have the ability to do that, uh, uh, the, the book three, which is the one on the far left is called the Nixon conspiracy.
00:33:13.180And that's got the, the information on what they did to Nixon book two is they're cheating on due process where they loaded that they met secretly with a judge and they, they loaded the appeals on the, uh, actual Watergate prosecutions.
00:33:29.140And then book one, which came out in 20, uh, 2008, uh, it really describes how the people most involved in, in the Watergate saga unfolding were all members of the Kennedy political dynasty.
00:33:45.660They were attempting my view to pave the way for Senator Edward Kennedy to run for president in 1976.
00:33:54.120Uh, he didn't do it, but not for lack of trying by these people.
00:33:57.460So it's, it's an evolving situation as more and more information becomes public, but you, you, you're just amazed that there's an actual paper trail of what these folks did.
00:35:23.200The reason I want to do it is that this week, the CIA has fought to hold back files and memorandum and, and, and information related to sources and methods, quote unquote, about Mexico, about the CIA's involvement in the Kennedy assassination.
00:35:39.940Whether Lee Harvey Oswald, they're fighting it.
00:35:53.780Shepard and other people pulled it together.
00:35:55.460And then you've seen a day we've asked Darren B to change his schedule up.
00:35:58.540Darren, this explosive stuff that's happening with, with, with Twitter, you kind of called this shot, but I think even for people have been in the middle of it, the brazenness, the scale of it, 80 FBI.
00:36:09.700Walk us through what's happened over the last 24, 48 hours to show that, you know, Darren Beattie has not had a, a tinfoil hat on with a propeller.
00:36:19.920Everything you've said happened is now coming to light, did happen, sir.
00:36:24.500I'd love to talk about this, but I can't, I can't resist adding to what your previous guest said in relation to the urban committee with Nixon.
00:36:37.820This is something I actually studied extensively when I, uh, worked for judge Robert Bork as a research associate.
00:36:45.720And as many of your listeners may remember, Robert Bork played a very, uh, historic and fascinating role in the Nixon era with the Saturday night massacre and everything.
00:36:57.100But suffice it to say, uh, during the course of my research there and tons of interviews with a bunch of people involved with the whole Nixon issue, the special prosecutor and everything.
00:37:08.160There was really no additional, um, information that was uncovered, um, in the whole process of the urban committee of the whole process, even through the special prosecutor.
00:37:19.560Um, that wasn't already, you know, there, uh, before the special prosecutor existed, it became this totally unprecedented, completely promiscuous witch hunt into everything without any clearly defined scope.
00:37:34.480It was simply weaponized the entire apparatus of government to find anything they possibly could that's remotely associated with Nixon.
00:37:43.380So I think it really is a fascinating and important antecedent to keep in mind when you look generally on what the deep state has done against Trump.
00:37:52.020And in particular, um, these Twitter files, which released the sort of national security state slash sort of disinformation censorship arm of that broader, um, war of the national security state against Trump and his supporters.
00:38:36.120And don't forget the department of Homeland security, which is really at, you know, front and center of all of this is, you know, we've been reporting on revolver news department of Homeland security is the spearhead.
00:38:47.360It originally declared quote unquote white supremacy as the number one national security threat, um, under Trump.
00:38:55.320So, uh, you know, we're, we're really learning what we kind of already knew in our gut, but we're seeing the receipts of it.
00:39:03.040And it's really more damning than we could have ever possibly, uh, imagined.
00:39:09.140And, um, for anybody who's ever questioned the premise that, you know, Twitter is a national security operation and that in order to address the censorship issue of big tech, the ultimate bottleneck is confronting the national security state.
00:39:25.120After the release of these files, nobody can deny that with a straight face.
00:39:29.380But we got to change the conversation though.
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