Bannon's War Room - December 24, 2022


Episode 2398： A WarRoom Christmas Special


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Join Larry Swikert and Patrick K. ODonnell as they discuss the Battle of Trenton and the American spirit during the Christmas season. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from Real America's Voice and the War Room.

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00:00:00.000 Now on the feet that's deeper, when the snow lay round about, deep and crisp and neathen,
00:00:08.180 Brightly showed the moon that night, how the cross was truer,
00:00:13.380 When the moon had made in sight, gathering with the few.
00:00:21.300 Hither page and strand I heard, and the clouds keep pearling,
00:00:26.580 Younger peasant, who is he, where and what is where he is?
00:00:32.160 By the lip of wood, the pencil, underneath the mountain,
00:00:37.220 Bright against the forest fence, boys, they tosses down his fountain.
00:00:44.560 Bring me flesh and bring me wine, bring me pine logs hither, 0.97
00:00:49.600 Thou and I will sing in time, when we bear them thither.
00:00:54.640 Hither page and monarch, forth they went, forth they went together,
00:01:00.280 Through the moon rings while lament, and the feet away.
00:01:08.160 Sire the night is dark and cold.
00:01:10.880 Okay, welcome. It's Christmas Day. Merry Christmas, 25th of December, in the year of our Lord, 2022.
00:01:17.580 We're here for the, we don't have to cut that so hard, guys.
00:01:20.560 You can just let that music down under my voice. Merry Christmas.
00:01:25.480 I want to thank the team in Denver, Real America's Voice, for helping us on our Christmas specials,
00:01:30.200 and we've got the War Room production team here. Merry Christmas to everybody.
00:01:34.580 Larry Swikert's going to join us.
00:01:35.880 So first, I was going to be Larry Swikert, the historian in back of the Patriots' history,
00:01:40.200 the co-author of the Patriots' history of the United States.
00:01:43.820 And then in the second hour, we have the great combat historian, Patrick K. O'Donnell.
00:01:47.360 We're going to do Trenton. We're going to do the famous battle of the combat history of Christmas.
00:01:53.560 And we're going to focus on the Battle of Trenton, which took place Christmas night.
00:01:57.220 Larry, Merry Christmas. Thank you for joining us today.
00:02:01.740 Give us your overall about the American spirit and the Christmas spirit overall.
00:02:07.140 And then we're going to talk about a couple of Christmases where people, you know, we're in fairly trying times now.
00:02:13.040 We're going to really talk about trying times in 1814 and I think in 1941.
00:02:18.160 But give us your overall take of the Christmas spirit and the American spirit.
00:02:23.780 Well, you know, early on, the Puritans didn't really celebrate Christmas a lot.
00:02:28.460 And we didn't start celebrating Christmas until about the early 1800s.
00:02:33.760 And, you know, of course, other groups did, but some of the Puritans did not.
00:02:40.600 And so as it started to be celebrated, recognized as a holiday,
00:02:45.960 Americans kind of developed this mood where Christmas brings all things new.
00:02:51.060 Yes, we have New Year's, but really the day that sets everything new is the day that Jesus was born.
00:02:56.660 And so this is kind of the day that renews our whole whole year.
00:03:01.900 You know, when they talk in songs about lifting spirits bright, things like that.
00:03:06.780 This is why, because Americans do celebrate Christmas almost as the beginning of the new year.
00:03:14.220 What is it were the traditions that informed the American experience of Christmas where they did they come from England or France, Germany?
00:03:24.140 Is it a blending of all of them?
00:03:26.680 When we really started to celebrate Christmas as a as a as an event here, you're saying in what the late 18th, early 19th, I guess early 19th century.
00:03:38.400 What what what what was it that that brought us?
00:03:42.500 Because the Puritans obviously were not the celebratory type.
00:03:46.260 Well, they they began to lose their influence.
00:03:50.580 And of course, we began to get a lot of immigrants from Germany and Holland and France.
00:03:58.720 And each brought their own Scandinavia, each brought their own Christmas traditions, St. Nick and all this other stuff.
00:04:06.200 So we really, truly began to have an American Christmas where all of these Christmas celebrations were blended together.
00:04:14.760 It's the perfect melting pot that is America that we are willing to.
00:04:19.380 OK, we'll take some of your celebration and some of your celebration.
00:04:22.580 We're going to do it all here.
00:04:26.240 We we're going to talk about, you know, we normally do the combat history of Christmas or those Christmases for our fighting men and women that have had, you know, because Christmas when you're in a war, Christmas, you know, comes and goes.
00:04:42.120 You've still got to get on with the with the conflict.
00:04:44.820 Talk to us about the trying times that America's had during the Christmas season.
00:04:50.160 Which ones stand?
00:04:50.800 I know you're I know you're going to talk about Trenton later, so I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on on that one.
00:04:57.540 Obviously, Washington was being chased by the British.
00:05:01.120 He had seen an army of over 20,000 men, mostly militia, disappear.
00:05:07.340 And he had lost every single battle that he had fought.
00:05:12.020 And he made up his mind.
00:05:14.140 He said victory or death to his lieutenants.
00:05:17.020 We're going to cross the river.
00:05:18.240 He gathered every boat that he could, not only so he would have them, but also to deprive the British from having any boats.
00:05:27.100 And he transported about historians or, you know, debate this, but about 2400 men across on Christmas night.
00:05:36.380 And they crossed on icy water, which slowed down their approach.
00:05:42.380 Washington wanted to attack the town of Trenton around eight in the morning, and they were slow getting across the river.
00:05:50.800 And the fishermen did an amazing job of rowing some 40 boats worth of men back and forth and back and forth all night long and then went on to fight the battle.
00:06:03.960 That's that's the most amazing thing.
00:06:06.220 But there is a but he but he but he this is the time that you actually use Christmas because he wanted to in theory, what he wanted to do was attack Christmas morning.
00:06:17.480 He used Christmas and particularly the Hessians and the Germans. 0.90
00:06:21.400 They were fighting as mercenaries would be observing the Christmas holiday.
00:06:27.220 He was actually using Christmas as a tactical weapon.
00:06:31.880 Now, he didn't get across until Christmas evening, but the holiday itself was one of the reasons he he didn't just plan this because it happened to be on a Tuesday or whatever.
00:06:40.560 He was actually using the observance of Christmas as kind of as kind of shelter for himself, correct?
00:06:47.000 Or kind of to mask his attack.
00:06:50.220 Right. I mean, he thought in fact, he knew that the Hessians would be partying pretty hardy and he assumed that they would be drunk.
00:06:59.820 Well, like the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor, they assumed by attacking at that time in the morning, A, many of the men would be sleeping and B, many of the men would be at church services. 0.87
00:07:10.040 So they would catch us completely unawares.
00:07:14.340 To me, the most amazing thing about that whole story is not that Washington won, which was fascinating in itself.
00:07:23.780 But he took several hundred, maybe eight or nine hundred prisoners and marched them back.
00:07:31.580 And the guys had to row them back across the river in the middle of the night on the night of the 26th.
00:07:39.760 After rowing them all, the whole army were, you know, 24 hours earlier.
00:07:43.640 I mean, that's that's mind boggling.
00:07:45.520 They did so in the most brutal cold.
00:07:47.560 Most of the men who died, died of frostbite and not battle injuries.
00:07:53.000 I think it was two or three died of frostbite.
00:07:57.420 The victory of death, what he told his his men and officers was there there.
00:08:02.480 And this is why it's so dramatic.
00:08:04.480 They did it on Christmas.
00:08:06.320 Understanding they had a hard winner in front of them.
00:08:09.680 He needed a win.
00:08:11.000 He needed a victory.
00:08:11.960 Right.
00:08:12.440 They or the whole revolution and people was in the Christmas of 1776, that incredibly powerful year of the Declaration of Independence.
00:08:23.080 But, you know, six months after the Declaration, five months after the Declaration, it's almost all over.
00:08:30.820 I mean, you've got the head of the army, the really the commander in chief understands that if he doesn't pull off the surprise attack and at least get back on offense.
00:08:40.720 And show the colonies, we can win something here.
00:08:44.440 You say Christmas Day is kind of rejuvenation and beginning of things that this would start the next year of the conflict.
00:08:51.740 It was all going to be over no matter how many great documents you have, like the Declaration, no matter how many, you know, smart lawyers and great men of rhetoric can write something very moving and have people sign on for.
00:09:05.320 If you don't deliver on the battlefield, it's going to be over.
00:09:09.180 Larry Swiker.
00:09:10.720 Well, you know, and to show you that he took that as we're going on offense now, right after the Battle of Trenton, he then advanced back across the river again and attacked at Princeton.
00:09:22.580 And while this is not considered a great battle or there weren't significant losses on either side, what I find the most amazing thing is that the battle lines for the first time were drawn up against each other in open field.
00:09:36.700 Previously, Washington's men had fought behind embankments or used a surprise attack.
00:09:42.120 And the reason this is so significant is you've seen the movie The Patriot, I'm sure, a hundred times like I have.
00:09:49.840 And Mel Gibson's character has this great line where he's with Heath Ledger looking at the Continentals and the British going firing volleys at each other.
00:10:00.980 And he says it's madness going muzzle to muzzle with the British in open field.
00:10:06.160 You know, he spent too much time in the British Army.
00:10:08.580 But the fact was Washington knew the only way to win the war was to get the Continentals to the point that they could stand up muzzle to muzzle against the British in open field because you weren't going to win it with militia.
00:10:22.980 Militia, kind of interesting, really are a range warfare type of military.
00:10:29.880 They're not built for hand-to-hand combat.
00:10:32.320 Yeah, they had tomahawks and knives, but they didn't have bayonets on their muskets.
00:10:36.220 That was crucially important.
00:10:37.680 And it's why the militia run so much early is because they're not built for stand-up bayonet fights.
00:10:44.240 They don't have bayonets.
00:10:45.360 So Washington knew at Princeton he needed an open field win to go with his surprise attack.
00:10:52.520 And there's a great scene where the two armies are ready to fire at each other.
00:10:56.500 And Washington, a guy who's about 6'4", on a big white horse, gets out between the two armies and is riding, waving his hat, yelling,
00:11:07.460 Come parade with me, you fine fellows.
00:11:09.760 And both armies open up, and bullets go through his jacket, through his hat.
00:11:15.720 Don't kill his horse.
00:11:17.140 Don't hit him.
00:11:18.380 How you get two armies firing at each other across a couple hundred yards and you don't hit this guy is just a miracle in and of itself.
00:11:26.180 And, yes, we won the battle.
00:11:27.440 It wasn't a crucial battle, but it showed you that we were now on offense.
00:11:31.680 How much of the myth, we'll get into this with Patrick K. O'Donnell in the second hour,
00:11:38.020 but the myth that the Hessians were actually, had actually imbibed too much on Christmas.
00:11:44.180 Obviously, they might do a church service in the morning, but the rest of it was a feast and drinking.
00:11:49.080 How much of that is true?
00:11:50.760 Well, some of it's true, but it's totally wrong that they didn't expect an attack.
00:11:55.480 In fact, Colonel Rall had been apprised that there had been a raid at his outposts, which Washington didn't authorize.
00:12:05.600 And Washington chastised the guys.
00:12:08.060 He said, you almost gave away the whole operation.
00:12:11.380 But Rall thought that that was the attack itself.
00:12:15.760 And he literally said something, in fact, we're done for the day.
00:12:20.080 They're not going to attack today.
00:12:21.460 So whether they were drunk or not, they were certainly not ready for an attack.
00:12:28.860 Larry, we're going to go to a short commercial break in a second.
00:12:32.220 We're going to have some of our Christmas music.
00:12:33.860 I really want to thank you for doing this.
00:12:35.820 You're going to be with us for the entire hour.
00:12:37.460 We're going to talk about some of the trying times of Christmas.
00:12:41.500 And one of the reasons we do that is to make sure people understand,
00:12:44.000 no matter how tough you think you have it or how tough,
00:12:47.700 and sometimes the odds are long on the fights that we fight here in the war room,
00:12:51.900 that America has been through some very, very tough times before.
00:12:54.980 It's one of the powers of the United States is the resilience of its people
00:13:00.340 and the resilience of the country.
00:13:02.800 The country has been very resilient and able to come back.
00:13:05.880 And I realize now every day we talk about, you know, is this the end of the country?
00:13:10.700 Some of the radical things, whether it's invasion on the southern border,
00:13:13.960 things they're doing, you're seeing them doing in the classroom,
00:13:17.140 trying to go after the American family. 0.68
00:13:19.040 What they're doing to the kids is this.
00:13:21.320 And then the big overall arching things of not just the debt
00:13:24.360 and the financial situation of the country and geopolitically with the Chinese Communist Party,
00:13:28.840 but also things like transhumanism, where you actually say,
00:13:32.120 hey, could we be seeing the replacement theory here is not about Americans
00:13:36.420 or it's not about whites or Hispanics or blacks,
00:13:39.680 but they're trying to replace the entire, you know, all homo sapiens.
00:13:43.680 The country has been through some very, very, very tough times before
00:13:46.540 and has gotten through it with the American spirit.
00:13:49.900 And so today we're talking about the Christmas spirit and the American spirit.
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00:14:07.060 Okay, short commercial break.
00:14:09.440 We're going to be back.
00:14:10.120 We've got Larry Swyker, the co-author of The Patriot's History of the United States.
00:14:14.900 Next hour, Patrick K. O'Donnell, the combat historian.
00:14:17.820 We're going through the American spirit and the Christmas spirit here on The War Room.
00:14:22.280 We'll be back in a moment.
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00:16:04.700 Okay, welcome back.
00:16:29.020 I want to thank our team.
00:16:33.180 Boy, we're actually going to get that right one time.
00:16:36.880 It's just to bring it down soft.
00:16:39.700 Christmas team.
00:16:41.220 Denver, thank you very much.
00:16:42.920 Merry Christmas.
00:16:43.800 Merry Christmas to everybody.
00:16:46.740 I got Larry Swiker.
00:16:47.740 I want to thank Larry for taking time away to do our Christmas special here.
00:16:51.760 It's Saturday, 25 December, the year of our Lord, 2022.
00:16:57.760 Larry, let's talk about, I think, 18.
00:16:59.880 I wanted to, we got time this morning to do two.
00:17:03.020 I think we'll do 1814 and then the year 1941.
00:17:07.960 Talk to me about Christmas of 1814.
00:17:10.360 You want, we wanted to pick out particular times that the country's been under stress and
00:17:14.760 people have really been kind of down or it looks like we've had long odds.
00:17:19.140 So why do you pick the year 1814?
00:17:22.800 Okay, I've got to comment on you and your team.
00:17:25.580 Having played in a rock band, you know, I can't always remember my singer, turn up the
00:17:30.060 monitors, turn up the monitors.
00:17:33.000 So anyway, actually, I want to start the story at Christmas in 1813 because the War of 1812,
00:17:41.720 as we call it, had not been going well.
00:17:43.640 Of course, they didn't call it that at the time.
00:17:45.640 It had not been going well.
00:17:46.840 We had lost a lot of battles.
00:17:48.480 Not all of them, but we lost a lot of them.
00:17:51.060 And Attorney General Richard Rush at Christmastime in 1813 wrote his old friend John Adams about
00:17:58.580 the mood in Washington, D.C.
00:18:00.380 And I'll just quote you a little bit of his letter.
00:18:03.240 The nation was fighting, Rush said, but, quote, it seems to fight for nothing but disaster and
00:18:08.120 defeat and disgrace.
00:18:10.380 What, sir, should be done?
00:18:12.880 The prospect looks black.
00:18:14.720 It is awful.
00:18:15.420 Is not another torrent rolling too fiercely upon us to be turned back?
00:18:20.580 Where shall we find leaders?
00:18:22.860 And may we not be doomed to pass yet another and another and another campaign in the school
00:18:27.860 of affliction and disgrace?
00:18:29.860 I am sick at heart at our view of public affairs.
00:18:34.060 Have we, sir, ever faced worse times than survive them?
00:18:39.320 And how?
00:18:40.540 And the ex-president, John Adams, wrote him back and he said, the times are pretty bad.
00:18:46.440 He said, Adams said, this is one year, eight months before it happened.
00:18:50.620 He said, I don't know what will prevent the White House.
00:18:53.720 They didn't call it that yet.
00:18:55.860 I don't know what will prevent the White House or the proud capital from becoming the headquarters
00:19:00.800 of the British.
00:19:02.440 We must have a winnowing.
00:19:04.400 And yet he said, in the revolution, we saw infinitely more difficult and dangerous times.
00:19:11.340 So eight months later, what happens?
00:19:13.500 The British walk into Washington, having destroyed, just chased away without a lot of deaths. 0.96
00:19:21.500 The much larger American forces at Bladensburg, Maryland, they threw down their weapons and
00:19:28.140 ran.
00:19:28.520 It's called the Bladensburg Races.
00:19:30.400 And literally, James Madison was just a few miles ahead of the British Army pursuing them
00:19:35.940 into Washington.
00:19:37.600 And Madison gets into Washington, goes to the, again, the White House, which wasn't called
00:19:43.040 that then.
00:19:43.980 And Dolly Madison had left dinner on the table and they fled. 1.00
00:19:49.180 She left carrying papers and the full portrait of George Washington by Gilbert Stewart and
00:19:54.920 other, leaving sorts of other valuables, including silver and several thousand dollars worth of
00:20:01.160 fine wines.
00:20:02.140 So Madison yells, gets everybody out. 1.00
00:20:04.580 The British are right behind them. 1.00
00:20:05.840 He heads off for the ferry, only to find Dolly has already gone.
00:20:10.120 Madison and his companions, Rush and Mason, hop on horses and they're trying to catch up
00:20:18.940 to Dolly, but they're trying to catch up to the Army as well because John Armstrong, who
00:20:25.640 is Secretary of War, can't be found anywhere.
00:20:28.220 Madison literally is in the saddle for 18 hours until he finally comes to a place where he can
00:20:35.540 catch up with Dolly.
00:20:37.060 She had been turned away from a tavern because of her husband's war policies. 0.95
00:20:43.600 And another time when she was let in, a cook refused to give her coffee because, quote,
00:20:48.820 I done heard Mr. Madison gave the country to the British.
00:20:53.500 And so it was bleak.
00:20:54.780 This was August.
00:20:55.740 But by Christmas, things looked bad.
00:20:58.400 Nothing had happened to really change a thing.
00:21:00.980 Our capital was in shambles, had been burned.
00:21:03.600 Madison had a poor reputation. 0.97
00:21:06.600 And then the Christmas miracle.
00:21:10.040 Just almost.
00:21:12.240 Hang on.
00:21:12.820 Before we get to the miracle part, why is maybe it's self-evident?
00:21:18.880 Why is because I'm sure for our audience, even the people that know history or history buffs,
00:21:23.500 a lot of this is revelatory.
00:21:24.960 Why is the War of 1812 not taught?
00:21:30.120 Because we lost the capital and and they burned it.
00:21:33.540 I mean, of all the major and this conflict was so huge and so really we'll get to the punchline.
00:21:39.840 I really ended the revolution, you know, a year or so later.
00:21:43.620 But why or six months later, why was it particularly the year 1814 when when the capital's taken the executive mansion?
00:21:56.340 I think they call it the time is burned to the ground.
00:21:59.500 Why is this not taught as poorly as we teach history?
00:22:03.420 You almost never hear any mention of the War of 1812.
00:22:06.220 Well, I think one of the reasons is it isn't a war where, like in World War Two, we take it on the chin for a year.
00:22:15.680 Then we have the incredible flip of Midway that I'll talk about a little bit later.
00:22:20.240 And then from there on out, although it's very, very bloody, incredibly difficult.
00:22:24.680 It's a steady march to victory.
00:22:26.840 Same thing kind of in Europe.
00:22:28.460 Right. Where we're after the first year, really, after England survives the Battle of Britain and after America comes into the war.
00:22:37.380 Once we land in France, it's all over the Nazis, not everybody. 0.91
00:22:41.560 But this war, War of 1812, is not very well defined.
00:22:46.640 We invade Canada twice with very bad results.
00:22:49.940 But we do knock out all of the Indian resistance in the old Northwest. 0.98
00:22:54.660 And that's kind of something you don't want to talk about these days.
00:22:57.260 Gee, here we took out the Native Americans, who were considered a major threat at the time. 1.00
00:23:02.860 Some of our biggest victories are really—
00:23:05.140 Oh, by the way, by the way, I don't mind talking about it.
00:23:06.940 They were very sophisticated and had an alliance with the British.
00:23:11.340 They were an ally of the British.
00:23:12.720 That's why we took them on.
00:23:14.400 Right.
00:23:14.640 And they were very sophisticated.
00:23:16.600 They had a very smart alliance amongst themselves.
00:23:20.060 The confederation they fought for.
00:23:21.580 But so you're saying in the Northwest, we took on the Indians. 0.96
00:23:24.400 We invaded Canada with terrible results.
00:23:26.400 What else?
00:23:27.960 And a lot of the battles that take place that are very memorable take place on the Great Lakes with fairly small ships.
00:23:36.500 Incredible tactics.
00:23:39.600 One called—in which they turn the ship by placing anchors at each end and pulling on ropes so they could fire a broadside,
00:23:47.300 then immediately turn the ship and fire another broadside while the other side was reloading.
00:23:51.700 Battles on Lake Champlain, for example.
00:23:56.460 A lot of smaller victories that were highly symbolic but didn't accomplish a lot in terms of defeating huge armies.
00:24:04.900 Right.
00:24:05.060 And the last reason that it's not taught much is that the biggest battle of the war in historians' eyes occurs after this miracle.
00:24:15.020 And what happens after Christmas is that we get word that the negotiations—
00:24:20.980 Hold on.
00:24:22.020 Hang on.
00:24:22.500 We'll get to that in a second.
00:24:24.060 We'll finish with the punchline.
00:24:26.060 But that doesn't get to the point of why it's not taught.
00:24:28.660 You're saying because there were smaller battles or just the process of the war?
00:24:33.740 It's not an easy war to teach.
00:24:37.860 You have to really get into the nuts and bolts.
00:24:40.360 You can't focus on one or two battles like Saratoga and Yorktown and Trenton or Iwo Jima.
00:24:47.840 It's not something that lends itself easily to teaching.
00:24:51.320 And then you alluded to a really important fact.
00:24:53.480 This kind of ends the revolution, and historian Paul Johnson has argued that this war really cemented the Anglo-American alliance forever.
00:25:05.440 Because A, the British recognize this now for the first time as equals, and I think it's sometime during this correspondence that for the first time a British foreign minister refers to the United States as a nation.
00:25:16.860 And this—when you finish the war, we go back to this boundary, status quo antebellum.
00:25:26.080 We go back to the way things were before the war, and so neither side could lord it over the other that, yeah, you really took it on the chin there.
00:25:33.920 What tends to happen, for example, in the wars between France and Germany, where they go back and forth, and they're constantly—there's a winner and there's a loser, and the loser is always anxious to get back land or tear.
00:25:45.300 That doesn't happen with the war of 1812.
00:25:48.180 So the White House is burned to the ground or burned in August.
00:25:54.280 No, it's not burned to the ground.
00:25:56.280 Congress is burned fairly significantly.
00:25:59.360 White House structure was standing, but it was blackened.
00:26:04.440 So when they repeated it white, it becomes known as the White House.
00:26:09.140 Perfect.
00:26:11.080 Tell me about the Christmas miracle, then.
00:26:12.740 How do we go from the capital being desecrated in August to a Christmas miracle?
00:26:18.700 What happened, and what is the miracle?
00:26:20.820 Well, what's so great about this is it happens on two fronts.
00:26:24.700 One, it happens in the front of negotiations and diplomacy, where our negotiators had been in Europe,
00:26:31.120 and they get a treaty by Christmastime, but because of the length of time it takes to send something back and forth across the ocean,
00:26:41.300 we didn't know about it at the time that the war had already been settled with status quo antebellum.
00:26:46.480 So the British sent a major army under Pakenham to take the city of New Orleans, which, again, had they won that battle,
00:26:56.300 that would have been extremely significant because we may have never been able to fully take control of the Louisiana Purchase
00:27:06.180 if they had held New Orleans, where, of course, Jackson wins the battle in New Orleans.
00:27:13.260 Larry, hang on for one second.
00:27:14.900 The Miracle of the Christmas of 1814, we've got Larry Swigert, the co-author of The Patriots' History of the United States.
00:27:22.700 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:27:23.980 Christmas Day special here in the War Room.
00:27:26.720 Be right back.
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00:29:46.980 It's Christmas a day, 25th of December, the year of our Lord, 2022.
00:29:52.860 By the way, perfect.
00:29:54.800 Merry Christmas.
00:29:56.560 Team in Denver, I want to thank everybody for putting these specials together and helping us out here.
00:30:01.400 Real America's Voice is what you're listening to.
00:30:03.500 The War Room are watching.
00:30:06.580 I want to thank everybody for joining us here on Christmas morning as you're maybe, I've opened the gifts already, getting back from church and having a cup of coffee.
00:30:14.060 Larry Schweiker is our guest.
00:30:15.440 So, we're at Christmas 1814.
00:30:17.560 We're about to have something that nobody expected, this battle in New Orleans.
00:30:23.020 But talk to us about the Christmas, over the Christmas season.
00:30:26.040 Were people thinking that things were getting better, that we were getting through this horrible, since the Capitol is still in disarray and the country has been humiliated?
00:30:35.880 Well, we had won some very important battles, and the fact that the British were going to New Orleans kind of signified their last hope, because they had not been able to follow up on their seizure of Washington, D.C.
00:30:54.360 They hadn't been able to capture the president.
00:30:56.720 I think it was General Coburn who said he wanted to send Madison back to England as a present.
00:31:06.140 They hadn't been able to do that.
00:31:07.680 They had to evacuate.
00:31:08.960 Again, the same things they saw in the American Revolution.
00:31:11.780 They could control the big cities for a very short time, but they couldn't control the countryside at all.
00:31:16.940 And so, this was kind of a last gasp attempt by Pakenham to take New Orleans and at least salvage the great port of New Orleans at that time.
00:31:26.960 And, of course, Andrew Jackson was ready for him and had dug trenches and everything.
00:31:33.780 And like we were, we didn't mention this, but Washington was saved by a miracle on Long Island when he was trying to evacuate his troops.
00:31:42.760 They could have been surrounded and destroyed, and he had to move them back to Manhattan in boats.
00:31:48.580 But the British Navy was right there, and we're going to blow those boats out of the water until a miraculous fog came in and concealed the movement of several thousand men across from Long Island to New York.
00:32:02.340 Same thing happens here.
00:32:04.280 In reverse, the British are all drawn up in a giant fog. 0.73
00:32:09.400 And so, they're a little lackadaisical, and all of a sudden, the fog just lifts like that.
00:32:15.260 And Jackson's gunners had presided all these positions and just wiped them out.
00:32:20.580 It was a horrific slaughter.
00:32:22.420 I think the British lost something like 1,000 men killed or wounded, and the Americans lost nine.
00:32:27.800 I mean, it was really an amazing victory.
00:32:31.440 In fact, this army was an army that had fought in the Peninsula Campaign.
00:32:34.660 I think it had the brother-in-law of actually Wellington was there.
00:32:38.920 The only time in British history, military history, they lost three major generals in a battle and three senior officers.
00:32:49.220 It was an absolute slaughter.
00:32:50.920 And it really – you agree with me.
00:32:53.240 That basically ended the revolution.
00:32:55.680 The revolution essentially ended in – I think it was January 2nd or 3rd of 1815, right?
00:33:02.560 It's in the – I think we're still within the 12 days of Christmas when the battle takes place in New Orleans.
00:33:09.320 And, Larry, you would agree that that brought the curtain down on the American Revolution?
00:33:14.140 Yes, and I think even more important, it solidified our relationship with the British, this special relationship that basically defined us for the next almost 200 years.
00:33:25.860 We may have lost a little of that now that they've gotten so woke.
00:33:29.680 But it carried us really through a couple of world wars and through leadership of the world for quite a while.
00:33:36.760 So talk to us about – and by the way, that was a very dark time.
00:33:41.940 Think about it.
00:33:42.420 We'd lost the capital, you know, Madison, that story about Dolly Madison being turned away at taverns because of the policy and some about the people being angry about how the conflict was being conducted.
00:33:55.360 And then to do that and to turn it around in six months is pretty extraordinary.
00:33:59.780 Also, it shows you, you know, General Jackson, the first real populist, eventually ran and became president after being defeated or having it stolen from him, like President Trump the first time, became really a president that really defined much of the 19th century, right?
00:34:19.360 Just an extraordinary, extraordinary individual.
00:34:22.920 Let's talk about 1941.
00:34:24.320 Let me think about how dark things were because people forget that right before Christmas, a group of New England, you know, where else, a group of New England states were so unhappy with the war and the fact Madison, of course, is a Republican, small r, and they are federalists, that they are talking secession.
00:34:46.920 They are actually meeting and discussing having several of the northeastern states secede in the middle of a war.
00:34:55.560 I mean, how treasonous is that?
00:34:57.720 And, of course, what else happens is that once we win the war, in essence, that goes away, and so does the Federalist Party.
00:35:06.460 That basically killed the Federalists once and for all.
00:35:08.840 Yeah, and like you said, that victory sealed, that was able to lock in the Louisiana Purchase, make sure we could explore it, and then all the great, everything that came out of that, the really opening of the West, it was extraordinary.
00:35:25.020 And one of the most important battles in world history is the Battle of New Orleans.
00:35:28.560 It doesn't get enough attention because technically it was a few days after the treaty, but quite frankly, this made sure that this was actually more powerful than a treaty because winning on a battlefield is much more powerful than what's written in a term, particularly when people will – well, they will interpret those contracts as they will interpret it.
00:35:50.240 Let's go to 1941.
00:35:51.920 Why did you pick 1941, sir?
00:35:55.020 Well, I found 1941 interesting because the mood of the country, of course, was horrible.
00:36:02.380 We had lost every single – there weren't a lot, but we had lost, of course, at Pearl Harbor, devastating defeat, and we were extremely fortunate that our three aircraft carriers were not in Pearl Harbor at that time or that Halsey went the wrong way, not his fault.
00:36:19.880 Well, he only had two ways, but he only had two ways he might go, and so he was heading the wrong direction.
00:36:27.140 Had he caught up with the Japanese fleet, he probably would have lost and lost a carrier.
00:36:33.560 So that was extremely important.
00:36:36.420 We lost Wake Island, you know, plucky Wake Island, which kind of held out.
00:36:42.920 MacArthur's men were being creamed in the Philippines.
00:36:45.920 It was only a matter of time before they surrendered.
00:36:48.500 So the mood of the country was extremely dark.
00:36:52.120 And then I want to focus on two things.
00:36:54.240 First, there was a song written in the summer of 1941, and I think this is interesting because it's the summertime when he writes this song, by Irving Berlin.
00:37:07.720 And it's called White Christmas, and he was thinking back to the death of his son in 1928 at Christmastime when he writes White Christmas in the middle of summer.
00:37:25.520 So that song becomes kind of a staple, but it's not until early 1942 that a guy named Bing Crosby records it.
00:37:33.820 But Crosby then goes on all of these USO tours, and this is his biggest song.
00:37:42.800 And he's trying to avoid singing this song because he thought it was a downer, and he thought it was kind of gloomy.
00:37:52.300 And he found that every time he would go to sing before the troops, they would demand, you know, sort of like, free bird, man.
00:37:58.880 It's like, White Christmas, man.
00:38:00.980 And so he ended up having to sing White Christmas every single time.
00:38:06.440 So he ends up right before Christmas in 1944 at a USO show in front of 100,000 GIs, airmen, others, in France.
00:38:20.780 And he said, it was the hardest thing I ever did in my life was to sing White Christmas to those 100,000 men, all of them streaming tears and not choke up.
00:38:35.180 And he's finishing that song.
00:38:36.700 He said it was the hardest thing of his life.
00:38:38.980 So I just found that an incredible Christmas story related to the kind of hardships of World War II.
00:38:45.100 What got in the summer of 1941, walk me through, what was it about, why was Irving Berlin, how did he end up writing White Christmas, and how did it happen in 1941?
00:38:58.900 Well, as I said, he's in a warm climate.
00:39:01.720 He's in, I think he was vacationing in California, and he's feeling this warmth and this heat.
00:39:10.640 And for some reason, he was taken back to the Christmas, the ice and snow of 1928 when his son died.
00:39:18.840 And many speculate that the lyrics of White Christmas are really written to his son.
00:39:26.440 Now, there's another aspect of this that I wanted to get to.
00:39:30.180 So let's go back to the Christmas of 41.
00:39:32.900 And one of my ongoing themes in Patriot's History of the United States, and by the way, for all of your viewers,
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00:40:06.820 So you can check that out on our website at wildworldofhistory.com.
00:40:10.220 So anyway, we're at Christmastime, 1941.
00:40:14.320 Things are tough.
00:40:15.240 We've been cream every place we went.
00:40:17.660 The Japanese were on the move. 0.99
00:40:19.420 It didn't look like we were going to be doing anything.
00:40:23.220 And one of the ongoing messages that I think comes out of history is how quickly history changes.
00:40:30.400 And we saw that, did we not, just here in 1814, when all was bleak, all was black, as Richard Rush said.
00:40:38.780 And yet, within just a few days, everything turned 180 degrees the opposite.
00:40:46.240 Well, the same thing happens in 1942 after this dark, dark Christmas of 1941 in May due to a single submarine,
00:40:58.880 kind of a miracle of the Nautilus, as I call it, the small change that affects everything.
00:41:03.920 We're in the middle of this battle over Midway, and we've sent out already over 100 planes to attack the Japanese fleet.
00:41:11.260 Now, we knew roughly where they were, but you're a Navy man.
00:41:15.580 You know that roughly in the Pacific, you can be off by a few thousand miles, right?
00:41:19.300 So, we'd sent out over 100 planes.
00:41:22.980 They failed to score a single hit.
00:41:26.500 All of the torpedo planes from the first two aircraft carriers had gone out, and over 50 had gone out.
00:41:33.940 Only three came back, and they didn't score a single hit.
00:41:36.940 And here's this submarine, the Nautilus, that sneaks inside Japanese defenses and fires three torpedoes at a Japanese carrier, and none of them hit.
00:41:48.300 And so, at this time, if you're looking at this submarine, you're thinking, man, we failed.
00:41:55.080 And, you know, I just want to speak to people out there.
00:41:57.900 How many times have you thought, I failed?
00:41:59.700 I just didn't do it.
00:42:01.460 You know, this was a total loss, a total failure.
00:42:05.440 Had to be what Madison was thinking in 1814, right?
00:42:10.380 This has been a total failure.
00:42:11.680 That that submarine was being attacked by a Japanese destroyer, and it ran, and it ran deep.
00:42:18.660 And the Japanese destroyer pursued it for miles and miles.
00:42:22.200 And sometime later, the destroyer says, okay, we'll change.
00:42:25.440 Hang on one second.
00:42:27.620 I want to hold that.
00:42:29.340 We're going to finish this segment.
00:42:31.500 I want to bring back for the punchline.
00:42:32.780 Larry Swigert, let's go ahead and take us out with White Christmas.
00:42:35.460 I want to bring back for the punchline.
00:43:05.440 We'll be merry and bright, and may all your Christmases be white.
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00:45:08.280 Okay, welcome back.
00:45:10.080 Merry Christmas.
00:45:11.060 It's Christmas morning.
00:45:12.100 I want to thank everybody.
00:45:12.920 In the next hour, Patrick K. O'Donnell, the great combat historian, is going to join us.
00:45:17.300 We're going to go through Trenton in detail, as we traditionally do here on Christmas Day.
00:45:24.580 Larry Swikert is the co-author of the Patriot Society of the U.S.
00:45:28.120 Got a new site he's going to tell you about.
00:45:30.120 But, Larry, we're on tenterhooks about people fail all the time.
00:45:35.660 You're saying we failed so many times.
00:45:38.340 And even in the Battle of Midway in May, after that dark Christmas of 1941, we're still failing.
00:45:44.080 But it's all down to one submarine, sir.
00:45:45.800 So, having sent out all the planes from Midway without scoring a single hit, having sent out all the torpedo planes from the carriers, and out of 50, only three came back and didn't score a single hit.
00:46:00.340 And the Nautilus slips inside Japanese defenses of the destroyers, fires three torpedoes, doesn't score a single hit.
00:46:07.680 The Nautilus runs, is chased by a Japanese submarine for several miles.
00:46:11.640 Finally, the Japanese submarine gives up, goes to rejoin the fleet.
00:46:17.340 Meanwhile, our dive bombers have been above, as I said, the Pacific's a big place.
00:46:22.140 They knew roughly where the fleet was.
00:46:23.860 They didn't know exactly.
00:46:24.900 And they see a single destroyer heading someplace.
00:46:28.220 And they figure it's got to be joining the fleet.
00:46:30.720 So, they follow it back, and lo and behold, there is the Japanese fleet, and the carriers have no fighter cover, and they have decks full of planes and bombs, and all it takes is a few bombs each, and the Japanese Navy is finished for the rest of the war.
00:46:48.860 And literally, within a space of, I know that there's other things, but literally within a space of 15 minutes, the whole world changed, just like at New Orleans, within a space of a couple of hours, the whole world changed.
00:47:03.900 And so, it's a message of hope, that even when you think maybe you failed, maybe your failure was permitted so God can succeed someplace else.
00:47:13.020 Larry, tell people, I want to make sure people get access to your site.
00:47:18.980 In fact, a great way to start the new year and to finish off this is, you can't learn too much history, right?
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00:48:27.680 Larry, you've got about a minute left.
00:48:31.660 What should people over this holiday, one of the most sacred days of the year in the Christian calendar is Christmas Day, the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
00:48:40.240 What message of hope do you have for the American people?
00:48:44.680 Well, I think it is that we've been in dark times before.
00:48:47.500 And, relatively speaking, I know this is hard today because everything is very presentist, but we've been in worse times before.
00:48:54.600 I mean, you know, the American Civil War was far worse.
00:48:58.320 So, you've got to keep hope, faith, hope, and love.
00:49:03.440 And there's a reason why you go through dark times because not only does it make us better, but it reminds you who's in control of all this, and it ain't us.
00:49:13.540 Larry Schweikert, the co-author of the Patriot's History of the United States.
00:49:19.060 Merry Christmas, sir.
00:49:20.080 Thank you for joining the War Room Posse and helping us get through Christmas morning with maybe a cup of coffee, hot tea, or a hot toddy.
00:49:29.640 I want to thank everybody.
00:49:30.700 We're going to come back for the second hour.
00:49:32.060 We're going to end this with a song written in the summer of 1941.
00:49:36.300 It became an inspiration in World War II.
00:49:38.080 Bing Crosby, White Christmas.
00:49:43.540 I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
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