Bannon's War Room - Episode 2400： A WarRoom Boxing Day Special

00:00:00.000 Looking whence us lost the frown, on the feast of steven,

00:00:05.120 When the snow lay round about, deep and crisp and neathen,

00:00:10.200 Brightly showed the moon that night, how the cross was cruel,

00:00:15.420 When a fool had failed in sight, every winter knew.

00:00:23.320 Hither page and strand I hear, and the clouds keep telling,

00:00:28.560 Younger peasant, who is he, where and what is where he is.

00:00:34.160 Sirely huffa, put the pencil beneath the mountain,

00:00:39.220 Bright against the forest fence, boys, they cast his hand his fountain.

00:00:46.600 Bring me flesh and bring me wine, bring me pine logs hither,

00:00:51.600 Thou and I will see him thine, when we bear him thither.

00:00:56.720 Hedge and monarch, forth they went, forth they went together,

00:01:02.320 Threw the moon rings while the man, and the feet away.

00:01:10.240 Sire, the night is dark, oh, bright, it blows stronger,

00:01:15.760 Hails my heart, I've been my home.

00:01:17.540 Okay, welcome.

00:01:18.740 It is Monday, 26 December, in the year of our Lord, 2022.

00:01:23.140 It is Boxing Day, for those of you that have been with us for many years,

00:01:28.640 over at Breitbart Radio, and now with the War Room for the last, what, three years.

00:01:33.920 We've always done a Boxing Day special, always Raheem, and Raheem is traveling,

00:01:41.820 so we couldn't get Raheem to do it this year.

00:01:43.620 He always did, because it's an English tradition, so we'd let Raheem.

00:01:47.020 I would do the Christmas Eve, the Christmas Day specials,

00:01:50.480 and Raheem would do the day after.

00:01:54.020 Of course, it was a little convoluted this year, because Christmas was on Sunday,

00:01:58.460 so we did the Christmas Day specials, you guys, I'm sure,

00:02:02.240 the hardcore audience saw on Saturday, replayed yesterday.

00:02:06.980 We always do the combat history of Christmas to let people know about the sacrifice.

00:02:11.060 We added Larry Swikert this year, the author, co-author of the Patriots' History of the U.S.,

00:02:17.960 to talk about other tough Christmases, about the resilience of the American people,

00:02:23.380 because this is a tough Christmas, not like the ones we had in 1814,

00:02:29.000 not like the ones in 1941 or during the Civil War,

00:02:32.880 or certainly probably the toughest Christmas we ever had was in 1776,

00:02:38.100 the founding of the nation.

00:02:39.240 We had Patrick K. O'Donnell, the great combat historian, on to talk,

00:02:43.840 as we always do as a tradition, about the Battle of Trenton.

00:02:46.940 I'm very honored to have Dr. Carol Swain join us today.

00:02:51.260 Dr. Swain, one of the things that I've always been most impressed with you

00:02:56.980 and I know you're one of the favorites of President Trump

00:03:01.080 is your deep knowledge of and love of American history.

00:03:08.840 How did you get that love?

00:03:10.400 How did you, what was it that made American history and our traditions

00:03:15.300 and understanding this republic?

00:03:17.240 What was it about your youth or when you were coming up

00:03:22.420 that really you saw your calling in life,

00:03:24.640 or part of the calling was really not just understanding American history,

00:03:28.060 but also explaining it to people?

00:03:30.840 Well, first of all, when I was born, you know, 1954,

00:03:34.740 I grew up at a time when America wasn't under attack by its own citizens.

00:03:40.100 And so it was very natural in the school.

00:03:44.660 We were, you know, today they would say indoctrinated,

00:03:48.640 but we were taught to believe and appreciate our nation.

00:03:52.740 I always believed that I lived in the greatest country in the world,

00:03:56.340 that it was a blessing to be in America,

00:03:59.120 that I could grow up to be whatever I wanted to be.

00:04:02.040 And I was not raised to see myself as a victim.

00:04:07.220 In fact, my mother, for the longest period of time,

00:04:09.780 she would not take any charity.

00:04:11.920 She would not take, you know, free books, free lunches,

00:04:14.660 things that would have made her children's lives easier

00:04:18.180 because she had 12.

00:04:19.960 But we had that Protestant work ethic.

00:04:23.580 I believed in the American dream,

00:04:26.480 and it became a reality for me.

00:04:28.740 Talk about that.

00:04:31.780 Talk about being in a family.

00:04:33.100 You're from the South.

00:04:33.920 Talk about being in a family of 12 children.

00:04:37.360 I can tell you that my Christmas memories

00:04:40.720 was that we would always get a bag, not even a stocking,

00:04:45.760 that would have oranges in it, nuts and candy.

00:04:48.700 And that was a real treat.

00:04:50.820 And I felt deprived as a child.

00:04:53.920 And also, for many years,

00:04:56.940 because I never got the two things

00:04:58.580 I wanted most for Christmas,

00:05:00.700 one was an Easy Bake Oven,

00:05:02.880 and the other one was a paint-by-number set.

00:05:07.100 Last year, one of my friends got tired of me talking about it,

00:05:10.880 so she gave me a paint-by-number set.

00:05:16.560 Where are you from in the South?

00:05:19.120 Tell us about your family, your brothers and sisters.

00:05:21.660 Well, I'm from southwestern Virginia,

00:05:24.640 a little hamlet called Chamleysburg,

00:05:26.960 and it was not even a town.

00:05:28.560 It was just like a strip of the highway,

00:05:31.020 probably not more than a couple of miles.

00:05:33.780 And so if you blinked, you just went straight past it.

00:05:38.840 And the children that were first born,

00:05:45.240 maybe the first six or seven,

00:05:48.020 lived in a two-room shack.

00:05:49.560 And then there was expanded to be a four-room shack.

00:05:53.140 But we ended up with five girls and seven boys,

00:05:58.260 and I'm one of the girls.

00:05:59.980 I'm second from the oldest.

00:06:02.100 And there was no talk of college.

00:06:05.480 In fact, I thought you had to be rich to go to college,

00:06:07.940 and it was only later that I learned

00:06:10.500 that poor people could go to college,

00:06:13.320 that at that time going to college

00:06:15.940 had more to do with your ability

00:06:17.700 than, you know, your financial means

00:06:21.420 because there were scholarships.

00:06:22.700 There were things that I did not know about.

00:06:24.840 And one reason I didn't know about these things

00:06:26.780 was that I dropped out of school

00:06:29.500 after the eighth grade,

00:06:31.440 married,

00:06:32.700 had three children by the time I was 21.

00:06:35.760 And so when I returned to school,

00:06:39.060 I first got a high school equivalency,

00:06:41.500 and I did that at home.

00:06:43.280 And then I went to a community college,

00:06:45.420 got the first of five college and university degrees.

00:06:48.500 I never sought to become a university professor.

00:06:51.600 I never sought to get five degrees.

00:06:54.060 There were people who came into my life

00:06:56.080 who encouraged me,

00:06:57.880 who steered me,

00:06:58.820 and sometimes I felt that they pushed me

00:07:02.000 in the direction that made me who I am today.

00:07:08.420 And most of them are white.

00:07:11.880 What?

00:07:12.920 In fact, almost all of them.

00:07:15.560 Let's talk about it.

00:07:16.440 How does somebody,

00:07:17.800 you know, drop out of school

00:07:20.380 and not,

00:07:21.260 and I take it,

00:07:22.100 it's not just you didn't get a degree,

00:07:23.880 you actually didn't attend high school,

00:07:26.360 have a couple of children,

00:07:27.660 and then later decide,

00:07:30.320 I want to get my high school equivalent

00:07:31.800 and my degree.

00:07:32.760 Did you,

00:07:33.960 did your mother instill a love of learning?

00:07:36.380 Was it about reading?

00:07:38.060 What was it that drove that?

00:07:40.000 There were two things.

00:07:41.060 For one thing,

00:07:43.120 even though my siblings and I,

00:07:44.880 my older sister in particular,

00:07:46.300 we missed a lot of school.

00:07:47.700 We could be out of school,

00:07:49.020 you know,

00:07:49.380 for a week or two,

00:07:51.100 go to school

00:07:52.300 and make an A or B on a test.

00:07:54.960 And so we knew we were smart.

00:07:56.140 My mother,

00:07:58.120 you know,

00:07:58.660 she acted as if

00:07:59.880 it was natural

00:08:01.000 for children to make good grades

00:08:03.140 until she had more children.

00:08:05.940 And as she had more children,

00:08:07.340 I think she came to appreciate

00:08:09.240 that it was unusual,

00:08:11.220 that there was something different about us.

00:08:14.160 And she would say today

00:08:16.040 that of all of her children,

00:08:17.900 she knew that I was going to be the one

00:08:19.580 that she would say

00:08:20.700 would make something out of herself.

00:08:22.320 And so with my mother,

00:08:24.720 I think she just had

00:08:25.780 a natural expectation

00:08:27.240 early on

00:08:28.680 that you would do well in school.

00:08:31.180 And for us,

00:08:32.320 we did not have books

00:08:33.540 because she had to pay

00:08:34.600 the rental fee.

00:08:35.960 I would do my studying

00:08:37.440 at school

00:08:38.420 while I was waiting on the bus

00:08:40.460 to take us home.

00:08:41.480 And we were bused.

00:08:43.360 I think it took us

00:08:44.520 about 45 minutes

00:08:45.660 probably to get

00:08:46.680 from the school home.

00:08:48.180 Well, did your parents instill

00:08:53.200 your religious training?

00:08:56.520 Was religion a big part

00:08:57.960 of your life

00:08:58.440 coming up as children?

00:09:01.020 No.

00:09:01.540 And Steve,

00:09:02.220 I'm working on my memoir.

00:09:03.940 And so I'll tell

00:09:04.520 the whole dirty story

00:09:06.020 maybe next year sometime.

00:09:08.820 But I had a stepfather

00:09:10.680 and my mother,

00:09:12.200 they were pretty much alcoholics.

00:09:14.280 And so there was a lot

00:09:15.180 of dysfunction in my family.

00:09:16.620 But my great-grandfather

00:09:18.780 had been a Methodist pastor.

00:09:20.800 So my grandmother

00:09:21.840 was religious.

00:09:23.620 But for my immediate family,

00:09:25.520 we were Methodists,

00:09:26.720 but we were unchurched.

00:09:27.760 We were not churchgoers.

00:09:29.760 I went a few times

00:09:31.020 as a child.

00:09:32.080 But I was naturally spiritual

00:09:34.260 in a sense that

00:09:35.540 I knew that there was

00:09:36.900 something larger than me

00:09:38.000 guiding my life.

00:09:39.180 And I always had

00:09:40.280 this sense of urgency.

00:09:42.020 I always felt like

00:09:43.140 that there was something

00:09:43.820 I was supposed to do.

00:09:44.920 and I never felt

00:09:46.460 comfortable in the poverty.

00:09:48.580 I never felt like a victim,

00:09:50.500 and I never felt comfortable

00:09:52.060 in the poverty

00:09:53.200 that was around me.

00:09:54.760 I grew up feeling

00:09:56.040 more like a participant observer.

00:09:58.780 And I felt like

00:09:59.600 the people around me

00:10:00.620 were not like me.

00:10:02.380 And I don't,

00:10:03.220 you know,

00:10:03.520 people can interpret that

00:10:04.860 any way they want

00:10:05.480 to interpret it.

00:10:06.560 That was how I felt

00:10:07.480 as a child,

00:10:08.460 that I was watching

00:10:09.440 these people

00:10:10.120 and they were strange.

00:10:11.220 When you said

00:10:14.280 there was a higher purpose

00:10:15.680 or you felt

00:10:16.260 that there was

00:10:16.680 a higher purpose,

00:10:17.580 is that a,

00:10:19.120 is it the Holy Spirit?

00:10:20.440 I mean,

00:10:20.700 what is it that you think

00:10:22.860 was flowing through you

00:10:24.220 at that time

00:10:24.940 and obviously

00:10:25.620 had a big part

00:10:29.140 of motivating you

00:10:30.500 to get out

00:10:31.500 of these circumstances

00:10:32.320 and as your mother

00:10:33.480 would say,

00:10:33.840 make something of yourself.

00:10:35.460 Well,

00:10:35.980 I had my Christian

00:10:36.960 conversion experience

00:10:38.100 in my 40s

00:10:39.680 after I had been

00:10:40.760 tenured at Princeton.

00:10:42.840 And before then,

00:10:43.680 I was spiritual.

00:10:44.840 And I can say that

00:10:45.840 I used to believe

00:10:47.300 one God,

00:10:48.240 many paths

00:10:48.940 because I knew

00:10:50.260 that I was different

00:10:51.800 and I had

00:10:53.060 also a sense

00:10:54.200 of urgency.

00:10:55.880 And so I don't

00:10:56.580 know,

00:10:58.200 I was drawn

00:10:59.140 to all sorts of,

00:11:00.180 all sorts of

00:11:01.240 spiritual things

00:11:02.100 like Edgar Cayce's

00:11:03.680 out-of-body experiences.

00:11:05.420 I read all kinds

00:11:06.560 of books,

00:11:08.160 New Age,

00:11:08.940 Eastern religions.

00:11:11.020 And all of that

00:11:13.280 culminated

00:11:14.100 after I had

00:11:15.060 tenure

00:11:15.420 at Princeton

00:11:16.860 with the journey

00:11:18.440 that led

00:11:19.660 to my conversion

00:11:20.500 experience

00:11:21.160 and I became

00:11:22.000 a devout believer

00:11:23.760 in 1999-2000.

00:11:28.160 Wow.

00:11:29.540 And talk to us

00:11:30.580 about Princeton.

00:11:31.320 How does one

00:11:32.060 go from

00:11:32.780 12 children

00:11:33.660 in a two-

00:11:34.440 or three-room shack

00:11:35.380 and no real

00:11:36.880 formal education

00:11:37.780 or life formal

00:11:38.500 education

00:11:38.900 when you're young

00:11:39.580 to being a tenured

00:11:40.760 professor

00:11:41.600 at probably

00:11:42.600 the hardest

00:11:43.980 undergraduate

00:11:44.800 college

00:11:45.800 to get into

00:11:47.100 the nation?

00:11:47.760 Probably harder

00:11:48.340 even than Stanford

00:11:49.180 and Harvard.

00:11:50.660 How does that happen?

00:11:52.820 Well,

00:11:53.360 again,

00:11:54.300 it's not something

00:11:55.780 I planned.

00:11:57.160 I can't remember

00:11:58.060 ever aspiring

00:11:58.940 to be a teacher

00:11:59.740 or becoming

00:12:00.840 a professor.

00:12:01.440 I was good

00:12:02.980 in academics.

00:12:05.280 I graduated

00:12:06.000 from my

00:12:06.900 four-year college

00:12:07.900 magna cum laude

00:12:08.980 while I was

00:12:09.480 working a full-time

00:12:10.480 job 40 hours a week

00:12:11.820 nights and weekends

00:12:12.780 at the community

00:12:13.880 college library

00:12:14.960 and my

00:12:16.480 community college

00:12:18.920 degree was

00:12:19.440 in business.

00:12:20.940 The four-year

00:12:21.560 degree was

00:12:22.120 in criminal justice.

00:12:23.540 I decided

00:12:24.240 to get a degree

00:12:25.460 in political science

00:12:26.640 so that I could

00:12:27.300 work for the government

00:12:28.140 like most other

00:12:29.660 blacks.

00:12:30.160 I wanted a

00:12:30.640 government job.

00:12:31.440 it seemed

00:12:31.960 like it would

00:12:33.640 have the benefits

00:12:35.040 and so I was not

00:12:36.220 aspiring for more

00:12:37.240 and this was

00:12:38.720 the 1980s

00:12:40.080 when I was

00:12:41.340 getting that degree.

00:12:42.680 There was a

00:12:43.500 recession that

00:12:44.260 occurred.

00:12:44.940 I applied for

00:12:45.760 jobs.

00:12:46.240 I couldn't get

00:12:46.720 jobs and

00:12:47.980 the professors

00:12:48.860 I had at that

00:12:49.700 time pushed

00:12:51.080 me to apply

00:12:52.120 for graduate

00:12:52.760 school.

00:12:53.600 I applied.

00:12:54.780 I was admitted

00:12:55.400 to the University

00:12:56.240 of North Carolina

00:12:56.980 at Chapel Hill

00:12:57.880 and I did

00:12:59.240 very well there.

00:13:00.300 I did well

00:13:01.320 enough that

00:13:02.140 by the time

00:13:03.500 I was getting

00:13:04.020 my PhD

00:13:04.660 which I did

00:13:05.300 very quickly

00:13:05.900 I did my

00:13:06.380 master's degree

00:13:07.060 in one year

00:13:07.800 and I did

00:13:08.660 the PhD

00:13:09.520 program in

00:13:10.220 four years

00:13:10.960 I had a

00:13:12.160 Harvard Press

00:13:13.060 contract

00:13:14.620 on my first

00:13:15.380 book

00:13:15.780 and I ended

00:13:16.960 up with a

00:13:17.480 short list

00:13:18.040 of schools.

00:13:19.440 Princeton

00:13:19.820 recruited me

00:13:20.680 the way I

00:13:21.140 wanted to be

00:13:21.700 recruited.

00:13:22.300 At that time

00:13:22.920 they had

00:13:23.300 minority

00:13:23.840 positions

00:13:24.480 and Steve

00:13:25.400 I'm sure

00:13:25.760 you remember

00:13:26.420 they would

00:13:27.180 advertise jobs

00:13:28.160 three minorities

00:13:29.400 would compete

00:13:30.080 against one

00:13:30.660 another

00:13:31.020 they would

00:13:31.880 hire the

00:13:32.500 best of

00:13:33.060 the three

00:13:33.560 there was

00:13:35.000 no doubt

00:13:35.460 I would be

00:13:35.920 the best

00:13:36.340 of the three

00:13:37.000 but I

00:13:38.200 refused to

00:13:38.860 apply for

00:13:39.280 those positions

00:13:39.980 I would

00:13:40.500 only apply

00:13:41.180 for American

00:13:41.980 politics

00:13:42.500 positions

00:13:43.200 I was

00:13:43.780 interested

00:13:44.240 in Congress

00:13:45.220 and Princeton

00:13:46.620 hired me

00:13:47.280 as a

00:13:47.600 congressional

00:13:47.980 scholar

00:13:48.480 and they

00:13:49.380 gave me

00:13:49.720 a signing

00:13:50.180 bonus

00:13:50.760 $25,000

00:13:52.300 which was

00:13:52.820 a lot of

00:13:53.280 money back

00:13:53.760 in 1989

00:13:54.520 that's an

00:13:57.480 extraordinary

00:13:57.920 story

00:13:58.560 I tell you

00:13:58.960 what

00:13:59.120 Dr.

00:13:59.900 Swain

00:14:00.180 why don't

00:14:00.520 you hang

00:14:00.820 on

00:14:01.020 we're

00:14:01.240 going to

00:14:01.320 take a

00:14:01.540 short

00:14:01.720 commercial

00:14:02.020 break

00:14:02.420 we're

00:14:02.800 here on

00:14:03.180 Boxing

00:14:03.640 Day

00:14:03.880 we're

00:14:04.600 going to

00:14:04.700 talk about

00:14:05.000 American

00:14:05.400 traditions

00:14:05.980 and history

00:14:07.160 we have

00:14:07.640 someone that

00:14:09.860 was on the

00:14:10.360 commission

00:14:10.780 appointed by

00:14:11.600 President

00:14:12.260 Trump

00:14:12.760 about

00:14:13.640 American

00:14:14.180 history

00:14:14.560 Dr.

00:14:15.320 Carol

00:14:15.540 Swain

00:14:15.960 will join

00:14:16.400 us

00:14:16.660 after a

00:14:17.680 short

00:14:17.840 commercial

00:14:18.120 break

00:14:24.520 will the

00:14:29.380 lack of a

00:14:29.900 red wave

00:14:30.480 during the

00:14:30.920 midterms

00:14:31.340 lead to

00:14:31.760 a more

00:14:32.160 emboldened

00:14:32.900 Biden

00:14:33.360 more

00:14:34.060 wasteful

00:14:34.560 government

00:14:34.880 spending

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00:14:35.580 taxes

00:14:36.080 the

00:14:36.300 deepening

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00:14:36.900 inflation

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00:15:28.620 and secure

00:15:29.180 your future

00:15:29.860 with gold

00:15:30.720 do it today

00:15:32.140 take action

00:15:33.140 use your agency

00:15:34.060 okay welcome

00:15:40.920 back

00:15:41.200 you're in the

00:15:42.940 war room

00:15:43.460 hope you've

00:15:44.380 enjoyed your

00:15:45.020 Christmas Eve

00:15:45.900 your Christmas

00:15:46.360 day

00:15:46.720 it is the

00:15:48.040 26th of

00:15:48.820 December

00:15:49.220 year of

00:15:49.500 our Lord

00:15:49.700 2022

00:15:50.280 Dr. Carol

00:15:51.040 Swain

00:15:51.280 joins us

00:15:51.860 Dr. Swain

00:15:52.900 when you

00:15:53.200 were doing

00:15:54.700 all your

00:15:55.480 studies and

00:15:56.560 getting your

00:15:56.900 PhD and

00:15:57.580 you wanted

00:15:57.840 to focus

00:15:58.260 on Congress

00:15:59.400 why was it

00:16:00.480 Congress

00:16:00.880 and did

00:16:02.300 you ever

00:16:02.740 believe

00:16:03.380 given what

00:16:04.380 you were

00:16:04.600 studying up

00:16:05.120 to that

00:16:05.360 time that

00:16:05.880 could be

00:16:06.220 as

00:16:06.380 dysfunctional

00:16:07.260 as it

00:16:08.220 is today

00:16:08.760 no

00:16:10.540 during the

00:16:10.960 time I

00:16:11.380 was studying

00:16:11.820 Congress

00:16:12.540 Tip O'Neill

00:16:13.540 was Speaker

00:16:14.100 of the

00:16:14.380 House

00:16:14.680 I was a

00:16:15.220 Democrat

00:16:15.640 and Democrats

00:16:17.380 and Republicans

00:16:18.100 seemed to work

00:16:19.000 well together

00:16:19.980 and so I

00:16:21.340 did not

00:16:21.840 know that

00:16:23.140 Congress would

00:16:23.980 be the

00:16:24.720 institution it

00:16:25.560 is today

00:16:26.140 but before we

00:16:27.680 go any further

00:16:28.260 you asked me

00:16:28.880 how I ended

00:16:29.460 up at

00:16:29.860 Princeton

00:16:30.280 there is no

00:16:32.800 way to

00:16:33.320 explain it

00:16:33.980 except the

00:16:34.540 hand of

00:16:34.900 God

00:16:35.280 that someone

00:16:36.640 from the

00:16:37.200 kind of

00:16:37.640 poverty

00:16:38.140 that I

00:16:38.980 came from

00:16:39.640 would end

00:16:40.560 up at

00:16:40.980 Princeton

00:16:41.640 as a

00:16:42.040 first job

00:16:42.760 I earned

00:16:43.940 early tenure

00:16:44.760 I won

00:16:45.780 three national

00:16:46.480 prizes

00:16:46.960 including the

00:16:47.680 highest prize

00:16:48.380 a political

00:16:48.880 scientist can

00:16:49.740 win

00:16:50.140 which was

00:16:51.160 the Woodrow

00:16:51.580 Wilson prize

00:16:52.460 for best

00:16:52.900 book in the

00:16:53.400 United States

00:16:54.240 and I was

00:16:56.140 totally

00:16:56.440 disillusioned

00:16:57.980 and that

00:16:58.400 led to

00:16:59.140 more soul

00:17:00.500 searching

00:17:01.000 a journey

00:17:02.100 that culminated

00:17:03.100 with my

00:17:03.640 having a

00:17:04.260 Christian

00:17:04.660 conversion

00:17:05.220 experience

00:17:05.920 where I

00:17:06.260 became a

00:17:06.700 devout

00:17:07.460 believer

00:17:08.160 I believe

00:17:09.460 that God

00:17:10.880 opened up

00:17:11.460 the door

00:17:11.820 for me to

00:17:12.340 go to

00:17:12.600 Princeton

00:17:13.020 so that I

00:17:13.960 could be

00:17:14.280 credentialed

00:17:15.080 I'm able

00:17:15.960 to speak

00:17:17.260 into things

00:17:18.000 and situations

00:17:18.820 I understand

00:17:20.060 the word of

00:17:20.740 God

00:17:21.140 I understand

00:17:21.980 academia

00:17:22.600 I understand

00:17:23.640 the world

00:17:24.340 and my books

00:17:25.660 have been

00:17:26.020 considered

00:17:26.420 prescient

00:17:27.080 and I

00:17:28.040 believe that

00:17:28.560 God

00:17:28.920 raised me

00:17:30.220 up

00:17:30.560 for such

00:17:31.720 a time

00:17:32.080 as this

00:17:32.600 and maybe

00:17:33.560 that'll sound

00:17:34.100 arrogant to

00:17:34.800 some people

00:17:35.320 maybe it

00:17:35.960 sounds like

00:17:36.420 I'm not

00:17:36.720 humble enough

00:17:37.420 but that's

00:17:38.140 what I

00:17:38.440 believe

00:17:38.780 I give

00:17:39.840 God credit

00:17:40.620 for opening

00:17:41.720 up the

00:17:42.040 doors and

00:17:42.740 giving me

00:17:43.160 the platform

00:17:43.760 I have

00:17:44.240 today

00:17:44.680 most people

00:17:46.380 from my

00:17:46.860 background

00:17:47.480 could not

00:17:48.780 would not

00:17:50.200 have reached

00:17:50.780 the level

00:17:51.700 that I've

00:17:52.120 reached

00:17:52.440 and I've

00:17:53.160 had political

00:17:53.720 appointments

00:17:54.240 from three

00:17:54.880 presidents

00:17:55.560 Bush

00:17:57.720 Obama

00:17:58.980 the Obama

00:18:00.760 one was

00:18:01.180 kind of

00:18:01.540 it was

00:18:02.640 an accident

00:18:03.100 he sort

00:18:03.760 of

00:18:04.200 reappointed

00:18:05.000 me to

00:18:05.400 a position

00:18:05.860 that Bush

00:18:06.360 had appointed

00:18:06.980 me to

00:18:07.460 and then

00:18:08.180 President

00:18:08.540 Trump

00:18:09.060 and so

00:18:10.180 I don't

00:18:11.900 think that I

00:18:12.440 did that

00:18:12.820 on my

00:18:13.120 own

00:18:13.520 talk to

00:18:16.720 me about

00:18:17.080 when you

00:18:17.820 get to

00:18:18.160 Princeton

00:18:18.480 and you

00:18:19.180 know you've

00:18:19.460 gotten a

00:18:19.780 PhD from

00:18:20.420 University of

00:18:21.080 North Carolina

00:18:21.500 one of the

00:18:22.360 best universities

00:18:23.140 in the country

00:18:23.720 one of the

00:18:24.240 finest in

00:18:24.660 the south

00:18:25.140 and you

00:18:26.020 get to

00:18:26.300 Princeton

00:18:26.620 and you

00:18:27.320 get early

00:18:27.840 tenure

00:18:28.180 which is

00:18:28.780 people that

00:18:29.520 know the

00:18:29.980 politics of

00:18:31.460 faculty politics

00:18:33.180 that's

00:18:33.480 extraordinary

00:18:34.060 particularly a

00:18:34.640 place like

00:18:35.020 Princeton

00:18:35.380 when you

00:18:36.320 said you

00:18:36.560 got disillusioned

00:18:37.420 you're saying

00:18:37.860 hey I was

00:18:38.460 at the

00:18:38.720 place I

00:18:39.200 could see

00:18:39.580 it all

00:18:39.940 I could

00:18:40.200 see everything

00:18:40.700 the world

00:18:41.140 had to

00:18:42.380 offer

00:18:42.700 and I

00:18:44.340 was

00:18:44.480 disillusioned

00:18:45.140 by it

00:18:45.380 what was

00:18:45.940 the

00:18:46.120 disillusionment

00:18:46.860 and what

00:18:47.140 drove that

00:18:47.640 it had a

00:18:49.040 lot of

00:18:49.400 there were a

00:18:51.780 lot of

00:18:51.980 things about

00:18:52.420 academia that

00:18:53.220 bothered me

00:18:53.940 and one

00:18:55.000 is how

00:18:55.800 affirmative

00:18:56.140 action truly

00:18:57.200 operated

00:18:57.820 because I

00:18:59.760 was there

00:19:00.340 and I was

00:19:02.060 hired during

00:19:02.580 a time when

00:19:03.280 affirmative

00:19:03.720 action had

00:19:04.960 some teeth

00:19:05.740 the faculty

00:19:07.660 members who

00:19:08.300 supported me

00:19:08.980 were the

00:19:09.300 conservatives

00:19:09.780 and at that

00:19:10.720 time I was

00:19:11.220 a democrat

00:19:11.720 but they

00:19:13.500 liked what

00:19:14.400 they saw

00:19:14.860 about me

00:19:15.580 the professors

00:19:17.080 who opposed

00:19:17.940 me were the

00:19:19.060 liberals

00:19:19.460 in fact one

00:19:20.660 of them who's

00:19:21.380 at Harvard

00:19:22.120 very prominent

00:19:22.900 today tried

00:19:24.140 to block

00:19:24.680 my appointment

00:19:25.380 because she

00:19:26.000 said I was

00:19:26.440 not the

00:19:26.760 right kind

00:19:27.220 of black

00:19:27.780 so I

00:19:28.580 didn't expect

00:19:29.100 that and I

00:19:30.620 began to get

00:19:31.420 attacks from

00:19:32.560 black people

00:19:33.460 who said I

00:19:34.820 had sold out

00:19:35.760 to get to

00:19:36.500 Princeton and

00:19:37.920 that was because

00:19:38.740 I didn't go

00:19:39.400 through their

00:19:39.880 organizations they

00:19:40.960 had a black

00:19:42.080 political science

00:19:42.940 association they

00:19:44.440 had black

00:19:45.040 leaders that

00:19:45.640 would vet the

00:19:46.160 black folk and

00:19:47.300 all of a sudden

00:19:48.020 there was this

00:19:48.880 black woman

00:19:49.740 that no one

00:19:50.440 ever heard of

00:19:51.500 at Princeton

00:19:52.520 and so these

00:19:54.040 black people who

00:19:55.220 were gatekeepers

00:19:55.980 they were very

00:19:56.660 upset and so

00:19:57.840 there were a lot

00:19:58.360 of things that

00:19:59.440 happened that

00:20:00.920 made my life

00:20:01.740 uncomfortable and

00:20:03.260 during that time

00:20:04.120 I didn't have a

00:20:05.660 support network

00:20:06.480 and I felt very

00:20:08.920 much out there

00:20:09.820 on my own and

00:20:11.160 I can say I

00:20:11.680 didn't have a

00:20:12.160 support network

00:20:12.900 but I can also

00:20:14.480 say that I had

00:20:15.240 many friends and

00:20:16.640 I had the people

00:20:17.420 on the faculty

00:20:18.200 who recruited me

00:20:19.240 and they were

00:20:20.220 very supportive

00:20:21.220 but it was like

00:20:22.360 I was an accident

00:20:23.080 I was not

00:20:23.740 supposed to have

00:20:24.420 happened but I

00:20:25.540 did and when

00:20:26.520 they gave me

00:20:27.020 that tenure

00:20:27.600 they gave me

00:20:28.740 tenure because

00:20:29.340 they thought I

00:20:29.940 was safe

00:20:30.540 safe enough to

00:20:32.820 give the good

00:20:33.660 housekeeping seal

00:20:34.680 of approval

00:20:35.300 they did not

00:20:36.460 know that I

00:20:37.180 would end up

00:20:38.360 being disillusioned

00:20:40.220 having a

00:20:41.300 Christian conversion

00:20:42.360 and I did not

00:20:44.060 become a devout

00:20:44.820 believer while I

00:20:45.700 was at Princeton

00:20:46.520 that happened

00:20:47.800 during the time

00:20:48.840 I had already

00:20:49.600 decided to

00:20:50.540 separate myself

00:20:51.520 why would you

00:20:54.580 leave no one

00:20:55.300 leaves tenured

00:20:55.980 positions at an

00:20:57.280 Ivy League school

00:20:58.220 unless it's to

00:20:58.780 take a temporarily

00:20:59.720 take a government

00:21:00.520 high government

00:21:01.360 job and then go

00:21:02.040 back why would

00:21:04.020 one leave after

00:21:04.960 going through all

00:21:05.740 that and becoming

00:21:06.480 tenured was the

00:21:08.000 disillusionment

00:21:08.920 disillusionment that

00:21:10.400 great that it

00:21:11.260 would lead to your

00:21:12.100 leaving the tenured

00:21:13.840 position which

00:21:14.520 basically is a

00:21:15.440 sinecure for life

00:21:16.440 well at that

00:21:17.760 time no one

00:21:19.140 left the Ivy

00:21:19.840 League for

00:21:20.420 lesser school

00:21:21.160 nowadays it

00:21:22.960 happens all the

00:21:23.700 time in fact

00:21:24.540 at Vanderbilt

00:21:25.180 University where

00:21:26.280 I ended up

00:21:26.940 taking a

00:21:27.300 position I've

00:21:28.680 lost count of

00:21:29.640 how many people

00:21:30.940 from Princeton

00:21:31.760 and the Ivy

00:21:32.620 League that have

00:21:33.380 left the Ivy

00:21:34.020 League to be

00:21:35.860 on the faculty

00:21:37.240 at Vanderbilt

00:21:37.940 and like me

00:21:39.280 they accepted

00:21:40.320 a position at

00:21:41.060 Vanderbilt before

00:21:42.200 they were really

00:21:43.000 the world-class

00:21:44.620 university they

00:21:45.560 are today and

00:21:47.040 so you know I

00:21:48.660 sort of showed

00:21:49.220 people the way

00:21:49.880 out that there

00:21:50.500 was life after

00:21:51.340 the Ivy League

00:21:52.120 but you're

00:21:53.000 correct most

00:21:53.760 people felt that

00:21:55.040 if they were not

00:21:55.680 leaving Princeton

00:21:56.740 to go to Harvard

00:21:57.600 or Columbia or

00:21:59.280 Stanford then they

00:22:00.780 were going to turn

00:22:01.340 down the position

00:22:02.160 I was willing to

00:22:04.240 take a lesser

00:22:05.300 position because it

00:22:07.340 didn't matter to me

00:22:08.420 in the same way

00:22:09.180 that it mattered to

00:22:09.980 them I've never

00:22:11.020 been caught up

00:22:11.900 in I don't

00:22:15.080 know what you

00:22:15.500 would call it

00:22:16.200 the people at

00:22:20.300 the Ivy League

00:22:21.120 are really in

00:22:21.700 love with being

00:22:22.340 at the Ivy League

00:22:23.320 they love the

00:22:24.460 institutions and I

00:22:25.600 was never caught

00:22:26.440 up in that

00:22:27.500 what when you

00:22:31.140 said that you

00:22:33.040 weren't the right

00:22:33.600 kind of black

00:22:34.240 and that Princeton

00:22:35.360 thought you were

00:22:35.960 safe and it

00:22:37.400 turns out that

00:22:38.160 that you weren't

00:22:39.260 their type of

00:22:39.880 safe what

00:22:40.280 what when they

00:22:41.100 say safe what

00:22:41.940 were they looking

00:22:42.700 what were they

00:22:43.400 looking for what

00:22:44.220 what was it that

00:22:45.880 they thought that

00:22:46.500 you were going to

00:22:46.860 be safe about

00:22:47.540 well they hired me

00:22:49.160 because I was a

00:22:49.820 good political

00:22:50.300 scientist in fact

00:22:51.980 people who

00:22:53.020 complimented my

00:22:54.100 first book which

00:22:55.100 was titled

00:22:55.680 Black Faces

00:22:56.900 Black Interest

00:22:57.720 the Representation

00:22:58.560 of African

00:22:59.000 Americans in

00:22:59.560 Congress published

00:23:00.700 by Harvard in

00:23:02.500 1993 and updated

00:23:03.800 in 1995 they

00:23:05.920 would say that

00:23:07.160 it was such a

00:23:07.700 great book and

00:23:08.540 and people

00:23:09.280 can't guess

00:23:10.660 your race by

00:23:11.360 reading it so

00:23:12.460 there was no

00:23:12.920 evidence that you

00:23:13.700 could guess my

00:23:14.240 race well you

00:23:15.320 should never be

00:23:15.960 able to guess a

00:23:16.620 person's race by

00:23:17.580 reading that

00:23:18.040 research if they're

00:23:19.220 doing research the

00:23:20.560 research should

00:23:21.220 stand by itself

00:23:22.280 so I accepted

00:23:25.720 and and I really

00:23:27.120 bought into the

00:23:28.620 standards of that

00:23:30.000 time and I

00:23:32.420 loved many of

00:23:35.880 things about

00:23:36.720 academia and

00:23:38.360 the students but

00:23:39.860 it was never a

00:23:40.560 good fit for me

00:23:41.680 my colleagues

00:23:43.060 spoke in long

00:23:43.880 paragraphs like

00:23:45.300 if they were

00:23:45.620 going to ask a

00:23:46.180 question it had a

00:23:47.220 long preface and

00:23:48.940 it would take them

00:23:49.740 five minutes to

00:23:50.480 ask the question

00:23:51.160 if I'm going to

00:23:52.260 ask a question or

00:23:53.260 answer a question

00:23:54.080 it'll only take me

00:23:55.440 a few seconds or

00:23:56.400 maybe a minute

00:23:57.040 what talk to us

00:24:01.200 about your

00:24:01.480 Christian conversion

00:24:02.240 how did that come

00:24:03.560 about because it

00:24:04.360 sounds like that

00:24:04.940 is one of the

00:24:06.100 most important

00:24:06.600 things in your

00:24:07.060 life

00:24:07.340 I've always been

00:24:11.280 a seeker of

00:24:12.220 truth and and I

00:24:14.840 guess I've always

00:24:15.500 been on a journey

00:24:16.580 and I and I've

00:24:18.400 been curious very

00:24:19.500 curious and that's

00:24:20.760 why my journey

00:24:21.480 sort of took me

00:24:22.160 through Eastern

00:24:22.660 religions a new

00:24:23.800 age and and

00:24:25.820 like full circle

00:24:26.640 to Christianity

00:24:27.360 I was I studied

00:24:30.180 with Jehovah's

00:24:30.800 witnesses for a

00:24:31.620 while like I was

00:24:32.460 all over the place

00:24:33.200 spiritually but I

00:24:36.420 guess 1997 was

00:24:39.300 when I had an

00:24:40.460 experience in a

00:24:41.160 medical hospital

00:24:42.160 that resulted in

00:24:43.660 another experience

00:24:44.920 and I don't want to

00:24:45.440 get in all the

00:24:45.940 details that people

00:24:46.920 will have to wait

00:24:47.540 for the book

00:24:48.200 because it will

00:24:49.740 have a chapter on

00:24:50.780 my spiritual journey

00:24:51.840 but that I sort of

00:24:55.300 came to the end

00:24:56.000 of myself and I

00:24:57.140 had always

00:24:57.840 struggled with

00:24:58.420 depression in fact

00:24:59.740 as a teenager I

00:25:02.340 used to do

00:25:02.840 suicide gestures

00:25:03.840 and I never

00:25:05.260 went back to

00:25:06.020 the suicide

00:25:07.040 gestures as an

00:25:08.340 adult but I

00:25:09.960 struggled with

00:25:10.540 depression and

00:25:11.320 right after I got

00:25:12.140 my tenure at

00:25:13.340 Princeton it was

00:25:14.800 like is this all

00:25:16.500 there is like I

00:25:17.940 worked you know

00:25:18.880 night and day

00:25:19.680 seven days a week

00:25:21.440 and this is all

00:25:22.660 there is and I

00:25:23.860 had won you know

00:25:24.700 the three national

00:25:25.400 prizes and the

00:25:27.200 book that I

00:25:27.940 published back then

00:25:29.580 has been cited

00:25:30.360 by the U.S.

00:25:31.000 Supreme Court and

00:25:32.440 people would say

00:25:33.060 to me what are

00:25:34.560 you going to do

00:25:35.040 now like you

00:25:36.360 can't you've won

00:25:37.500 the career award

00:25:38.580 it's like you

00:25:39.200 can't top yourself

00:25:40.080 what are you going

00:25:40.620 to do now and a

00:25:42.640 part of me during

00:25:44.080 the time I was at

00:25:44.920 Princeton I wanted

00:25:46.080 to prove stuff and

00:25:47.680 I wanted to prove

00:25:48.480 that a person from

00:25:49.440 my background could

00:25:50.480 go to Princeton they

00:25:51.940 could get tenure and

00:25:52.900 they could get it

00:25:53.500 early and I had

00:25:55.320 proven that that

00:25:56.620 was the case and

00:25:57.940 then I sort of lost

00:25:59.080 interest in that I

00:26:00.820 went to Yale law

00:26:01.800 school got a

00:26:02.400 master's in law I

00:26:04.000 was interested in

00:26:04.860 law because my

00:26:06.060 book was being

00:26:06.740 cited in court

00:26:08.340 cases related to

00:26:09.840 voting rights and

00:26:10.680 so that made me

00:26:11.260 very curious and

00:26:12.640 then I realized

00:26:13.440 that the legal

00:26:15.480 community liked my

00:26:16.880 research because I

00:26:18.440 didn't think like a

00:26:19.360 lawyer and that I

00:26:21.580 didn't want to

00:26:22.300 think like a

00:26:22.920 lawyer and so I

00:26:24.180 got the master's

00:26:25.100 in law after my

00:26:26.360 PhD and decided

00:26:28.280 you know that I

00:26:29.660 had enough

00:26:31.040 education I did

00:26:32.960 not need a law

00:26:33.980 degree nor did I

00:26:35.520 want to become a

00:26:36.220 lawyer hang on for

00:26:38.520 one second I love

00:26:39.760 that I decided I

00:26:41.420 didn't want to

00:26:41.880 become a lawyer

00:26:42.380 didn't want to

00:26:42.760 learn how to

00:26:43.140 think like a

00:26:43.620 lawyer Dr.

00:26:45.740 Carol Swain hang

00:26:46.400 on for one second

00:26:47.040 take a short

00:26:47.520 commercial break

00:26:48.140 back to the

00:26:49.800 war room special

00:26:50.440 in a moment

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00:29:00.900 okay welcome back we've

00:29:18.400 had a merry Christmas now

00:29:20.600 the 12 days of Christmas

00:29:21.720 one of the things I don't

00:29:22.380 like about modern

00:29:23.020 Christmas is that they

00:29:24.340 they start you know in

00:29:26.380 October and of course

00:29:27.460 right on Christmas day

00:29:28.760 everybody you know the

00:29:30.120 music stops everything

00:29:31.100 we should have the 12

00:29:32.060 days of Christmas when I

00:29:32.920 was a kid you you

00:29:33.980 decorate the tree on

00:29:35.480 Christmas Eve and then

00:29:37.260 kept the tree up the

00:29:38.740 entire way Dr. Carol

00:29:40.300 Swain so we're talking

00:29:42.580 about the you said is

00:29:44.700 there's got to be more

00:29:45.440 than this you had this

00:29:46.680 medical thing you'll talk

00:29:47.840 about the memoir but

00:29:48.740 the without giving too

00:29:50.540 much away for the

00:29:51.500 memoir the conversion

00:29:52.560 itself how did that

00:29:54.500 build up and it was

00:29:56.280 dramatic it was

00:29:57.580 pulling on the road to

00:29:58.600 Damascus so it was

00:30:02.060 Damascene as we say

00:30:03.420 yes something like that

00:30:05.220 and you know I always

00:30:07.600 knew that there was

00:30:08.240 something larger than

00:30:09.140 me guiding my life but

00:30:10.600 I was not willing you

00:30:12.320 know to say you know

00:30:13.400 Jesus Christ I believe

00:30:14.700 one God many paths and

00:30:17.220 but I was always quote

00:30:19.220 spiritual and I've had

00:30:21.400 many supernatural

00:30:22.340 experiences over the

00:30:23.500 course of my life and

00:30:24.440 so I always knew that

00:30:25.260 there was something

00:30:25.840 larger than me guiding

00:30:27.200 my life and I never

00:30:28.720 found the church

00:30:29.460 satisfied and and you

00:30:32.420 know I had relatives

00:30:33.580 and people that were so

00:30:34.780 worried about my soul

00:30:35.820 and you know I looked at

00:30:38.720 their lives and I

00:30:39.580 thought their lives were

00:30:41.400 much worse than mine not

00:30:42.760 not the poverty but the

00:30:44.820 moral choices I in the

00:30:47.200 world was living a life

00:30:48.780 that in some ways was

00:30:50.980 you know more ethical

00:30:53.220 more moral than many of

00:30:55.820 the people that were

00:30:56.560 trying to convert me and

00:30:58.420 so to to have that

00:31:00.900 Christian conversion

00:31:01.740 experience where I felt

00:31:03.700 like I came face to face

00:31:05.180 you know with myself and

00:31:06.600 and as a sinner as well as

00:31:09.740 with God's love it resulted

00:31:13.240 in me taking my eyes off of

00:31:15.300 other people and really

00:31:16.900 focusing on myself and my

00:31:18.600 relationship with Christ

00:31:19.700 and for churches I I am a

00:31:22.580 member of a church in fact

00:31:24.720 I'm in a southern

00:31:25.440 Baptist church I never saw

00:31:26.920 that coming because I was

00:31:28.160 always more charismatic you

00:31:30.500 know wanted churches that

00:31:32.120 were more effusive but I

00:31:34.320 care about church

00:31:35.020 leadership I would not be in

00:31:36.520 a church where I thought

00:31:37.460 the leaders were immoral but

00:31:39.460 I don't spend my time

00:31:40.460 looking at my fellow

00:31:41.500 believers and my fellow

00:31:42.980 congregants because we're

00:31:44.380 all sinners and I think

00:31:46.020 one of the things that

00:31:47.040 really helped me uh

00:31:48.920 understand President

00:31:50.580 Trump is that um I think

00:31:55.200 that now where am I going

00:31:57.120 with this uh oh when he was

00:31:59.880 being attacked I don't know

00:32:01.180 what's pretty it's pretty

00:32:02.000 it's pretty it's pretty

00:32:03.360 interesting so keep going

00:32:04.700 okay this thing um when

00:32:07.340 people attacked President

00:32:09.220 Trump for his past life and

00:32:11.600 said he was a sinner and

00:32:13.260 that uh how could a

00:32:14.560 Christian support President

00:32:16.460 Trump I mean the whole

00:32:18.020 message of the gospel is

00:32:19.900 that we're all sinners and

00:32:21.260 that Jesus died on the

00:32:22.600 cross for our past present

00:32:25.120 and future sins and we're

00:32:27.520 all imperfect the church is

00:32:29.660 is a hospital it's meant to

00:32:31.160 be a hospital uh without um

00:32:33.800 God's redeeming power we

00:32:36.160 would all be lost and so

00:32:37.800 perfection was never uh God's

00:32:40.760 standard and the people that

00:32:42.260 he's used throughout the

00:32:43.260 Bible were all broken

00:32:44.880 people and not all of them

00:32:46.760 uh were um Jewish in the

00:32:49.480 Old Testament some of them

00:32:50.860 were pagans God has always

00:32:52.900 used all kinds of people

00:32:54.360 throughout history and so I

00:32:56.820 find it so offensive when you

00:32:58.320 have these great theologians or

00:33:00.840 the uh never Trumpers out

00:33:03.160 there you know preaching uh

00:33:05.040 that they are morally superior

00:33:06.320 and that no self-respecting

00:33:08.700 Christian could support a

00:33:10.540 sinner like Donald Trump they

00:33:12.500 don't understand the gospel of

00:33:13.840 Jesus Christ and I say that

00:33:16.200 um uh because I mean we all a

00:33:21.540 mess in some sort of way we all

00:33:23.540 are and those of us who have

00:33:25.780 accepted the free gift of

00:33:27.900 salvation we're constantly

00:33:29.820 working on ourselves but we'll

00:33:31.460 never be perfect as long as we

00:33:33.380 own this earth and so we should

00:33:35.200 not hold impossible standards for

00:33:37.300 other people we become

00:33:38.800 Pharisees and unfortunately

00:33:40.720 there are too many Pharisees out

00:33:42.460 there in the world and in the

00:33:43.960 church who think you know that

00:33:45.400 they have it all together when

00:33:46.960 they don't

00:33:48.300 given you took a a uh a position on

00:33:53.360 this commission for President

00:33:54.800 Trump I think the 1776

00:33:56.300 commission you took a you've got a

00:33:58.640 great love of American history and

00:34:00.200 its traditions

00:34:00.780 one of the things people talk about

00:34:02.800 now is the rise of under Trump or

00:34:04.760 associate Trump or Christian

00:34:05.920 nationalism and other people are

00:34:07.260 saying hey we're we're a post

00:34:08.820 Christian country uh give us give

00:34:11.800 us your assessment of that are we

00:34:13.280 post Christian and we're seeing a

00:34:15.400 rise of Christian nationalism or is

00:34:17.700 it uh are we the same country we've

00:34:19.840 always been

00:34:20.300 I think that phrase of post uh

00:34:23.400 Christian I mean Christian

00:34:25.180 nationalism we started hearing it

00:34:27.260 uh after January 6th because the

00:34:30.360 protesters were labeled as uh Christian

00:34:34.160 nationalists I think that anyone who

00:34:38.020 reads the Bible understands that God

00:34:40.200 dealt with nation states and uh their

00:34:43.140 scriptures that God placed people in

00:34:45.320 nations and when the Israelites were

00:34:48.680 uh exiled to Babylon he told them uh

00:34:53.020 you know to plant uh you know gardens to

00:34:56.220 pray for the welfare of the nations where

00:34:58.220 they were being dispersed to that if

00:35:00.500 those nations prospered they would

00:35:02.260 prosper and if you look at America's

00:35:05.240 founding there's no way that you can

00:35:07.620 dispute the fact that America was

00:35:09.920 founded by people who were deeply

00:35:11.500 religious who were deeply Christian the

00:35:14.700 Jewish part comes from the fact that

00:35:16.780 Christians you know we celebrate the

00:35:19.840 Judeo-Christian Bible uh the Old

00:35:22.860 Testament which is I believe the Jewish

00:35:25.040 Torah that's a part of who we are you

00:35:28.260 don't get Christians without Jews and

00:35:31.400 so I think Christian nationalism is just

00:35:34.920 a way to marginalize Christians to try to

00:35:37.680 keep them out of the political arena and

00:35:40.620 it's impossible to live in a society and

00:35:43.740 have a culture that that is as polluted

00:35:47.040 as ours is and set on the sidelines and

00:35:50.400 so those people that that are labeling

00:35:52.020 Christians as nationalists they're doing

00:35:54.200 that as a way uh to divide and as a way

00:35:57.940 to keep Christians on the sidelines so

00:36:00.400 that they can dominate everything

00:36:02.020 do you believe Christians should not be

00:36:05.440 on the sideline I mean there's a

00:36:06.800 element of the church that says hey

00:36:08.480 what do you mean by that I mean look

00:36:11.860 what's happening to our children in the

00:36:13.440 public schools and we have a government

00:36:15.340 now that's really pushing policies that

00:36:18.080 I would say are contrary to our civil

00:36:21.500 rights laws and our constitutions equal

00:36:24.580 protection clause uh and I'm talking

00:36:27.160 about through the diversity equity and

00:36:29.520 inclusion the CRT and things that they're

00:36:33.200 doing with the transgender movement many

00:36:36.340 of the things that the government is

00:36:37.780 pushing right now I believe it's just

00:36:40.900 blatantly unconstitutional and it

00:36:43.360 certainly runs counter to the civil rights

00:36:46.280 act of 1964 and its various extensions

00:36:49.860 and uh titles when we this uh movement

00:36:55.760 particularly the transgender what I would

00:36:57.780 call the gender ideology it came out of

00:37:00.920 the not for profits also came out of the

00:37:02.360 universities did you see because right

00:37:04.360 now it's so much more radical uh than

00:37:07.120 it's ever been and it's a aggressively

00:37:09.100 radical did you see this coming out of

00:37:11.300 the your university setting because you've

00:37:12.900 been associated with universities for what

00:37:14.580 30 or 40 years did you did you see this

00:37:17.620 brewing and other elements outside let's

00:37:20.440 say the political science or history

00:37:21.820 department no I did not see it um being

00:37:26.080 mainstreamed in the way that it has I did

00:37:28.780 not see how it would take over k-12

00:37:31.460 education and during the time I was at

00:37:34.340 Princeton and at Vanderbilt uh at

00:37:37.360 Princeton for sure and at Vanderbilt for

00:37:40.000 most of my career I was not interested in

00:37:42.640 critical race theory or Marxism and I was

00:37:46.600 just busy doing my thing and I had no idea

00:37:49.300 how it would impact the university and it

00:37:53.820 has been so mainstreamed and it is

00:37:56.540 destructive and there's so many dangerous

00:37:58.500 ideas that have come out of academia and I

00:38:01.540 find it very troubling I believe that

00:38:03.820 parents should think long and hard about

00:38:05.940 sending their children off to most

00:38:07.860 universities because those universities are

00:38:10.900 geared towards taking the young people who

00:38:13.560 enter those doors breaking down their values

00:38:16.400 and then remaking them uh into whatever the

00:38:20.220 institution sees as its values and with the

00:38:24.620 transgender movement there were many people

00:38:28.120 that thought you know you support gay rights

00:38:32.120 and like for myself all of my life like I have

00:38:35.600 believed in non-discrimination and so non-discrimination

00:38:38.600 I certainly didn't want gays discriminated against

00:38:41.400 uh I did not support gay marriage because I

00:38:45.100 believe that a marriage is a union between a male

00:38:47.400 and female but once that became the law of the land

00:38:50.580 it was clear that progressives had a much larger agenda

00:38:54.440 that that was just cracking open the door

00:38:56.380 to the things that you're seeing today

00:38:58.600 and I don't believe that the

00:39:01.180 state of affairs today with the transgenderism

00:39:05.400 the uh pedophilia that's being pushed

00:39:08.800 uh in some elements I think in the gay community

00:39:11.500 that doesn't represent uh the older

00:39:14.960 gay people that I have known

00:39:16.960 uh they are probably as appalled as we are

00:39:19.920 about what's happening

00:39:20.780 not enough of them are speaking up about it

00:39:23.320 but to have an administration

00:39:26.240 like the one we have in in government

00:39:28.860 and we can go back now to the religious

00:39:31.160 my religious understanding of the old testament

00:39:33.740 and god is that god deals with nations

00:39:36.980 he judges nations

00:39:38.180 and so if he holds the same standards

00:39:40.980 uh for america as he did for ancient israel

00:39:45.720 then um america is doomed

00:39:49.240 i believe that america could easily fall

00:39:52.160 if it if the nation has not already fallen

00:39:54.920 to china or north korea

00:39:57.640 and and we would have done it to ourselves

00:40:00.520 that god has sort of given us over to our sin

00:40:04.120 and to the things that we've chosen

00:40:05.980 and I think because our nation

00:40:07.620 is one where we elect our leaders

00:40:10.000 they enact their policies on their behalf

00:40:12.780 and we pay taxes for things that are reprehensible to god

00:40:17.280 that we all have guilt

00:40:19.840 because these are our leaders

00:40:22.000 we put them in place

00:40:23.520 uh we are supporting their policies

00:40:25.780 and I expect america to fall

00:40:28.720 and it could easily happen

00:40:30.500 in my lifetime and yours

00:40:32.480 why do you say that

00:40:35.400 because you think we're so far off track

00:40:37.120 of what are the underpinnings

00:40:38.820 of of the judeo-christian west

00:40:41.080 I think that for bible-believing christians

00:40:45.160 and there's some christians

00:40:46.560 that have made uh uh alliances

00:40:49.100 you know with the worst of the culture

00:40:50.940 uh they've been able to excuse that

00:40:53.800 i think that if god holds us to the same standard

00:40:57.080 he's held other nations

00:40:58.540 we are doomed

00:40:59.900 and i believe that the only thing

00:41:02.100 that could turn around the situation for america

00:41:05.600 would be another great awakening

00:41:07.480 uh some kind of revival

00:41:09.340 i'm not sure that will happen

00:41:11.740 uh and absent that happening

00:41:14.380 we are destroying ourselves

00:41:16.940 and i have this

00:41:18.900 deep down feeling

00:41:20.920 that china

00:41:21.700 is the dominant

00:41:23.280 world power

00:41:24.440 that's controlling us

00:41:25.700 in america

00:41:26.320 that our leaders are sold out

00:41:27.840 uh to the chinese government

00:41:29.700 the chinese dollars

00:41:30.860 that uh they control

00:41:32.680 you know so much of our food supply

00:41:34.780 our prescription medicines

00:41:36.440 uh and that

00:41:38.260 we have put ourselves in a situation

00:41:40.360 that we are the lesser

00:41:43.480 and when i look at the ukraine

00:41:45.380 that situation

00:41:46.700 that president obama

00:41:48.120 and biden have set up

00:41:49.500 that is actually causing

00:41:51.440 the suffering

00:41:52.420 and death

00:41:53.140 of the ukrainian people

00:41:54.560 and

00:41:54.880 and this is something

00:41:56.680 that our government

00:41:57.740 instigated

00:41:58.600 the conflict

00:41:59.660 between putin

00:42:00.920 and the ukraine

00:42:02.300 they knew exactly

00:42:03.600 what they were doing

00:42:04.520 and uh

00:42:05.660 just hang on for one second

00:42:09.200 no no it's great

00:42:10.200 you're on a roll

00:42:11.020 let's

00:42:11.460 but we gotta take a commercial break

00:42:13.120 no

00:42:13.700 you're

00:42:14.220 you're good

00:42:14.920 man

00:42:16.240 i get my coffee here

00:42:18.000 on a day after uh

00:42:19.140 day after christmas

00:42:19.960 this is fantastic

00:42:20.780 dr carol swain

00:42:21.880 from vanderbilt

00:42:23.140 formerly of uh

00:42:24.320 princeton

00:42:24.800 got a degree at yale

00:42:25.940 university

00:42:26.560 or psg

00:42:27.160 university north carolina

00:42:28.260 she'll join us

00:42:29.540 on the other side

00:42:30.160 christ is born for this

00:42:43.800 christ is born for this

00:42:47.760 christ is born for this

00:42:53.640 christ is born for this

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00:44:26.540 okay welcome back

00:44:34.280 dr carol swain was on a on a roll

00:44:37.540 by the way you're at the texas

00:44:38.860 you're a distinguished

00:44:39.540 what senior fellow

00:44:40.680 at the texas public policy institute today

00:44:42.880 ma'am

00:44:43.320 i am

00:44:44.660 it's a foundation

00:44:45.860 and on this show

00:44:49.240 i'm expressing my views

00:44:50.540 not theirs

00:44:51.220 amen

00:44:53.960 amen to that

00:44:55.400 let's talk about

00:44:56.420 we only got a few minutes left

00:44:57.920 let's talk about

00:44:58.780 uh

00:44:59.160 the great awakening

00:45:00.800 what what is needed

00:45:02.280 for a great awakening

00:45:03.800 in your mind

00:45:04.580 to wake up the american people

00:45:06.060 ma'am

00:45:06.560 well first of all

00:45:08.020 the surveys that i see

00:45:09.620 show that the overwhelming

00:45:11.040 majority of americans say

00:45:12.940 that the nation is headed

00:45:14.320 in the wrong direction

00:45:15.320 so that they know that some

00:45:16.900 that there's something terribly wrong

00:45:18.500 yet the leaders that we have

00:45:20.720 in the democratic

00:45:21.480 and republican parties

00:45:23.400 they're not really responsive

00:45:25.420 to what the american people

00:45:26.960 want

00:45:27.660 and so we get same on same on

00:45:29.460 i don't believe that there is

00:45:31.720 a political solution

00:45:33.020 to what ails america

00:45:34.360 and so what i think

00:45:35.820 needs to happen

00:45:36.760 is

00:45:37.240 people

00:45:38.120 need to

00:45:39.440 return to

00:45:40.580 those judeo-christian

00:45:43.220 values

00:45:43.760 that helped make

00:45:44.880 america great

00:45:46.140 and i'm not saying this

00:45:47.720 you know

00:45:48.000 as a trump supporter

00:45:48.880 i have not picked a candidate

00:45:50.220 for 2024

00:45:51.220 i'm out there listening

00:45:52.820 because i don't know

00:45:53.580 what god

00:45:54.060 god wants to do

00:45:55.320 in 2024

00:45:55.960 so i'm listening

00:45:58.020 very carefully

00:45:59.260 and i'm watching

00:45:59.980 all the candidates

00:46:01.020 uh but i believe

00:46:02.400 that prayer

00:46:03.360 is important

00:46:04.280 for those of us

00:46:05.240 who are christian believers

00:46:06.640 uh that we need

00:46:08.120 to to pray

00:46:08.940 for revival

00:46:10.140 i believe that

00:46:11.540 we need to stand up

00:46:12.600 for righteousness

00:46:13.360 that there is good

00:46:14.780 and evil in the world

00:46:15.920 and when we

00:46:17.080 um

00:46:17.520 are silent

00:46:18.580 and we turn our eyes

00:46:19.700 away from things

00:46:20.520 that we know

00:46:21.320 shouldn't be taking

00:46:22.660 place

00:46:23.960 and we don't speak up

00:46:25.280 then i think

00:46:26.360 we're complicit

00:46:27.120 in the things

00:46:28.560 that have taken place

00:46:29.320 around us

00:46:30.040 so we need to do

00:46:31.740 um

00:46:32.240 we need to sort of

00:46:33.720 go back to first things

00:46:34.880 and there are values

00:46:36.360 and uh principles

00:46:38.260 and there is a truth

00:46:39.460 and with the political left

00:46:41.420 they argue

00:46:42.000 that there is no truth

00:46:43.300 uh

00:46:44.140 and they believe

00:46:45.280 that uh

00:46:46.600 they have lost

00:46:47.880 all sense

00:46:48.540 of common sense

00:46:50.320 in that we know

00:46:51.780 that

00:46:52.080 that

00:46:52.700 that among them

00:46:54.120 they believe

00:46:54.860 that males

00:46:55.400 can have babies

00:46:56.320 they believe

00:46:57.140 that you can change

00:46:58.300 your sex

00:46:58.960 they believe

00:46:59.820 things that

00:47:00.340 that are ludicrous

00:47:01.420 but not enough

00:47:02.560 of us are willing

00:47:03.280 to stand up

00:47:04.020 and say that

00:47:04.600 that doesn't make

00:47:05.280 any sense

00:47:05.700 that's ludicrous

00:47:06.880 not enough of us

00:47:08.380 are willing

00:47:09.200 to stand up

00:47:10.000 when we see

00:47:10.540 children being

00:47:11.620 mutilated

00:47:12.280 or when we see

00:47:13.320 child abuse

00:47:14.060 and i think that

00:47:15.000 for us to have

00:47:16.140 a revival

00:47:16.740 we have to know

00:47:17.720 right from wrong

00:47:19.160 truth from lies

00:47:20.980 we have to be

00:47:22.160 bold enough

00:47:22.700 to speak

00:47:23.280 and we have to

00:47:24.540 um

00:47:24.920 uh

00:47:25.660 those of us

00:47:26.540 who are christian believers

00:47:27.580 have to pray

00:47:28.500 uh

00:47:29.360 pray for our fellow

00:47:30.220 believers

00:47:30.840 pray for our nation

00:47:32.120 pray for a miracle

00:47:33.520 pray for revival

00:47:34.760 dr swain

00:47:37.260 how do people

00:47:37.860 get to your

00:47:38.420 writings

00:47:38.920 your website

00:47:39.740 uh

00:47:40.480 everything

00:47:40.900 uh

00:47:41.400 your uh

00:47:42.120 your social media

00:47:42.800 all of it

00:47:43.200 how do people

00:47:43.700 make more contact

00:47:44.720 with dr carol swain

00:47:45.780 well i'm on

00:47:47.740 twitter

00:47:48.460 as carol m swain

00:47:50.620 i'm on facebook

00:47:51.440 as well as

00:47:53.080 getter

00:47:53.760 i hope i'm saying

00:47:54.460 that right

00:47:55.040 truth um

00:47:56.320 social

00:47:57.200 and instagram

00:47:59.320 and i have

00:48:01.520 a website

00:48:02.180 be the people

00:48:03.120 be the people

00:48:04.980 news.com

00:48:06.080 carol m swain

00:48:08.200 dot com

00:48:09.000 and

00:48:10.560 be the people

00:48:11.900 non-profit

00:48:12.660 and so

00:48:13.880 many different

00:48:15.580 places

00:48:16.020 and i do like

00:48:17.620 to connect

00:48:18.060 with people

00:48:18.640 and i believe

00:48:19.280 in america

00:48:20.040 i believe

00:48:21.060 that it's

00:48:21.780 possible

00:48:22.340 we could turn

00:48:23.140 things around

00:48:23.860 it's not

00:48:24.700 very likely

00:48:25.460 we continue

00:48:26.280 electing the

00:48:27.060 same kinds

00:48:27.780 of leaders

00:48:28.180 we do

00:48:28.760 and if we

00:48:29.540 continue

00:48:30.100 putting our

00:48:30.740 faith in

00:48:31.160 politics

00:48:31.740 rather than

00:48:32.940 in god

00:48:34.280 as the

00:48:34.740 creator

00:48:35.180 dr swain

00:48:38.340 thank you

00:48:38.720 very much

00:48:39.080 for joining

00:48:39.440 us for

00:48:39.840 with our

00:48:40.320 day after

00:48:41.040 christmas

00:48:41.460 the boxing

00:48:41.940 day special

00:48:42.580 really appreciate

00:48:43.240 you coming

00:48:43.900 on we look

00:48:44.380 forward

00:48:44.740 next year

00:48:45.960 to the to

00:48:46.460 the memoir

00:48:46.880 i know it's

00:48:47.560 going to be

00:48:47.800 very exciting

00:48:48.220 so thank you

00:48:48.700 very much

00:48:49.140 thank you

00:48:49.760 honored to

00:48:50.140 have you on

00:48:50.500 here

00:48:50.700 okay we're

00:48:52.080 going to

00:48:52.300 finish

00:48:52.600 yesterday

00:48:53.160 we talked

00:48:53.620 about

00:48:53.940 on excuse

00:48:54.460 me on

00:48:54.860 on our

00:48:55.680 christmas eve

00:48:56.440 and christmas

00:48:56.940 day show

00:48:57.340 talked about

00:48:57.940 white christmas

00:48:59.200 the writing

00:49:00.480 of the song

00:49:01.060 and then the

00:49:01.520 actual performance

00:49:02.300 of it by

00:49:02.700 bing crosby

00:49:03.400 we're going

00:49:04.120 to leave

00:49:04.420 you take

00:49:05.320 a short

00:49:05.620 commercial

00:49:05.940 break be

00:49:06.440 back for

00:49:06.840 the second

00:49:07.180 hour

00:49:07.440 we're going

00:49:08.140 to end

00:49:08.600 this segment

00:49:09.420 with bing

00:49:10.200 crosby and

00:49:10.740 white christmas

00:49:11.340 i'm dreaming

00:49:25.640 love of a

00:49:27.540 white christmas

00:49:31.120 just like the

00:49:34.960 ones i used

00:49:37.460 to know

00:49:38.640 where the

00:49:42.860 treetops glisten

00:49:46.180 and children

00:49:49.160 and children

00:49:49.180 listen

00:49:51.200 to hear

00:49:54.620 sleigh bells

00:49:57.560 in the snow

00:49:59.100 i'm dreaming

00:50:06.720 of a white

00:50:10.100 christmas

00:50:12.100 with every

00:50:16.100 christmas card

00:50:18.360 i write

00:50:20.100 may your

00:50:23.880 days

00:50:25.580 be merry

00:50:27.580 and bright

00:50:30.380 and may

00:50:34.740 all your

00:50:37.140 christmas

00:50:38.920 be white

00:50:41.420 i'm dreaming

00:50:49.140 of a

00:50:50.860 white

00:50:53.240 christmas

00:50:54.540 just like

00:50:57.680 the ones

00:50:58.900 i used

00:51:00.420 to know

00:51:02.000 where the

00:51:05.820 treetops

00:51:08.220 glisten

00:51:09.280 and children

00:51:12.360 listen

00:51:14.360 to hear

00:51:16.140 sleigh bells

00:51:19.140 in the snow

00:51:22.140 i'm dreaming

00:51:29.000 of a

00:51:30.140 white

00:51:31.140 christmas

00:51:33.140 with every

00:51:37.800 christmas

00:51:38.880 card

00:51:39.980 i write

00:51:41.140 may your

00:51:45.520 days

00:51:46.140 be merry

00:51:49.140 and

00:51:51.220 bright

00:51:53.140 and may

00:51:58.140 all your

00:52:01.140 christmas

00:52:02.140 be white

00:52:06.140 i'm dreaming

00:52:16.900 i'm dreaming

00:52:16.920 of a

00:52:18.860 white

00:52:20.140 christmas

00:52:22.140 years

00:52:26.140 have proven

00:52:27.420 that we

00:52:27.740 need to

00:52:28.040 be prepared

00:52:28.620 we

00:52:29.280 constantly

00:52:29.720 see

00:52:30.000 government

00:52:30.360 overreach

00:52:30.980 attacks

00:52:31.640 on our

00:52:31.860 communication

00:52:32.460 and energy

00:52:33.360 grid

00:52:33.640 worldwide

00:52:34.080 conflict

00:52:34.640 natural

00:52:35.040 disasters

00:52:35.560 and the

00:52:35.980 never-ending

00:52:36.700 assault

00:52:37.180 on our

00:52:37.940 security

00:52:38.320 and privacy

00:52:38.880 having

00:52:39.960 reliable

00:52:40.420 communications

00:52:41.080 is essential

00:52:41.980 but don't

00:52:42.940 get caught

00:52:43.480 without

00:52:44.080 reliable

00:52:44.540 communication

00:52:45.240 and i'm

00:52:45.600 here to

00:52:45.860 tell you

00:52:46.400 your

00:52:47.000 fragile

00:52:47.500 cell phone

00:52:48.540 simply

00:52:49.280 won't

00:52:50.000 cut it

00:52:50.600 it will

00:52:51.180 not

00:52:51.420 cut it

00:52:51.900 that's why

00:52:52.860 i've partnered

00:52:53.280 with the

00:52:53.720 satellite phone

00:52:54.360 store

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00:52:55.380 can stay

00:52:55.960 prepared

00:52:56.420 and ensure

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00:53:40.760 don't put

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00:53:42.060 life can

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00:53:54.420 under constant

00:53:55.180 attack by

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00:53:56.280 and their

00:53:56.620 big tech

00:53:57.320 allies

00:53:57.840 they resell

00:53:59.000 your communications

00:53:59.760 and personal

00:54:00.360 data while

00:54:01.380 lecturing and

00:54:02.320 laughing at

00:54:02.880 you

00:54:03.060 i've got the

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00:54:20.900 else

00:54:21.280 none of

00:54:22.220 your message

00:54:22.720 or vpn

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00:54:23.960 stored

00:54:24.420 analyzed

00:54:25.080 or sold

00:54:25.800 claim your

00:54:26.720 security

00:54:27.120 for only

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00:54:28.620 go to

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00:54:34.000 to install

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00:54:36.060 it's secure

00:54:37.140 it's private

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00:54:39.320 we stay

00:54:39.700 connected

00:54:40.240 and informed

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00:54:41.780 now

00:54:42.100 take action

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00:54:43.960 action

00:54:44.480 use your

00:54:44.940 agency

Bannon's War Room - December 26, 2022

Episode 2400： A WarRoom Boxing Day Special

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