Natalie Winters is the leading investigator in this country against all odds on the infiltration of the Chinese Communist Party into every aspect of your life. She is a 20-year-old reporter at The Axiom, a leading investigative reporter at the New York Times, and an expert on China.
00:01:07.000She is the leading investigator in this country.
00:01:11.000And that's both good news and kind of sad news, right?
00:01:14.000The number one investigator in this country against all odds on the infiltration of the Chinese Communist Party into every aspect of your life.
00:01:25.000The Chinese Communist Party, the illegitimate rulers of the Chinese people are as tough and as cunning and as smart of any enemy this country has ever faced.
00:01:37.000And given the scale of the country they have illegally taken over, right?
00:01:41.000And in the amazing productivity of the Chinese people and the amazing scale of that nation, they are an existential threat like we've never had before.
00:01:52.000And to add to it, they have bought and paid for our elites.
00:01:57.000You know, the professor who wrote this book on the Thucydides trap, this is Kissinger's thing, the Thucydides trap that, you know, you have rising powers and declining powers based on the Peloponnesian War.
00:02:11.000And that, I think, 14 times in history, you've had the situation where a declining global power and a rising power have come in conflict.
00:02:20.000And I think, you know, six times it's led to, you know, an incredible, devastating war.
00:02:25.000But a couple other times where the declining power is able to nudge the rising power and to kind of accept the way that they ran that peace was there.
00:02:34.000And that was what Kissinger and Alison, Graham Allison, were pitching, right?
00:02:48.000So we should just kind of nudge them along and get them to accept free market capitalism and all that.
00:02:53.000So he came to the embassy one day for lunch.
00:02:56.000We talked for about three or four hours.
00:02:58.000And I went to the book and I said, hey, look, professor, not just that you guys try to sell the same thing back in the early 70s with Russia, because you did.
00:03:05.000The same two guys, the same two guys try to sell the Soviet Union as a rising power.
00:03:22.000Not one time in the book that you wrote and all the backup that you and Kissinger provide, do the elites in the country, the power that's declining, make more money on the way down than they made on the way up.
00:03:36.000And he's like a hubbub, a hubbub, a hubbub, a hubbub, a hubbub.
00:03:39.000I said, isn't that the central point that our elites have been bought and paid for, but they're making more.
00:03:44.000Look at the concentration of wealth in this country.
00:03:46.000What's happened over the last 10 or 15 years.
00:03:48.000This is all kind of well thought through.
00:03:52.000It's an open, they're up in your face about it.
00:03:54.000And this is why Natalie Winters is so important and so important to America at this time in its history.
00:04:01.000And it's great that a young woman would step up with that intellect and commitment and focus to do this type of investigative reporting.
00:04:10.000It's also pretty sad when we've got to depend upon a 20 year old or 21 year old right at the University of Chicago, who a couple of years ago was in high school and prep school in L.A.
00:04:27.000The reason I bring this up, there's a big think piece, and people have to understand, Axios and Politico, these are the ones that drive the narrative.
00:04:33.000Not MSNBC in that, but MSNBC, I'm not saying it's down market.
00:04:46.000Politico has this big think piece, right?
00:04:49.000This big think piece that the hardliners, the hardliners and the anti-CCP hardliners are really taking America in a bad direction, right?
00:04:57.000And particularly, they see the tectonic plate shift that we forced by driving over the window over here and particularly making sure the most important thing we've done is to separate the Chinese Communist Party from the Chinese people.
00:05:10.000Everybody thought it was China, China, China.
00:05:58.000But the United States, the Chinese people and the Russian people that took the brunt of the fascists and the imperial Japanese army were left to kind of deal with themselves with these horrible dictators in the Bolsheviks in Moscow and in Peking at the time.
00:06:14.000So this big think piece comes out and says, no, no, no, no, we're not thinking about this, this decoupling, all this, this is really bad.
00:06:20.000And we've got to figure out how to essentially have a group hug, right?
00:06:24.000And then I look down and it's from my favorite, the Carnegie Endowment of Peace.
00:06:45.000Tell me about the Carnegie Institute for Peace that's right there in Washington, D.C., one of the biggest, most prestigious think tanks and their relationship, ma'am, to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:06:57.000So this article, it's titled The Fevered Anti-China Attitude in Washington is Going to Backfire.
00:07:04.000Even though the byline says it's by John Bateman, it very well could have been authored by the Chinese Communist Party because the talking points that run through it really are straight from Beijing.
00:07:15.000Some of their made in China 2025 initiatives calling for the United States and China to maintain close ties in the technological field.
00:07:25.000But really just more broadly that Americans should not view China as a competitor, but rather a collaborator.
00:07:31.000And like you said, these are kind of the old tried and tested talking points of the old establishment, whether it's Russia or China, trying to really gaslight the American people to have them perceive their reality is untrue.
00:07:44.000That the Chinese Communist Party is actually an ally, when in reality, it's the largest existential threat to the United States and our way of life.
00:07:54.000But what's so interesting and I think why this piece really resonated with so many people, especially those of us who follow Chinese Communist Party infiltration into academia and think tanks and media, is this really is a perfect example of how the Chinese Communist Party really launders their talking points
00:08:15.000And I would say really one of the organizations at the railhead of this is the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
00:08:21.000And what's so interesting just keeps us in the back of your mind as I kind of list chapter and verse all the all the ways this group is tied to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:29.000Our current director of the CIA, Bill Burns, he used to be the president of this think tank.
00:08:35.000So when you talk about the national security state and how powerful they are over really all aspects of our current political system, this is just another perfect example of how they've really opened the floodgates for Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
00:08:50.000But this author in particular, a guy by the name of John Bateman, who's a senior fellow in their technology and international affairs program, not only has he been listed as authors on several papers published by the Carnegie Institute that have actually been funded explicitly by Chinese Communist Party influence groups, particularly a group known as the China United States Exchange Foundation.
00:09:16.000This is a group that really leads China's what's called United Front effort, which is a multibillion dollar political warfare operation that Chinese elites themselves have called their, quote, magic weapon to advance communism.
00:09:31.000It's really when you kind of get into the nitty gritty of how China actually compromises American elites.
00:09:38.000This is the mechanism whereby they do it.
00:09:41.000But the Carnegie Endowment really has created dozens of people like John Bateman.
00:09:47.000Not only do they have several Chinese Communist Party members and members of Chinese Communist Party influence groups on their board, but they routinely accept very large financial donations from them.
00:10:00.000Their American scholars contribute to Chinese state-run publications, journals like the China U.S. Focus, alongside commanders and admirals from China's military and naval forces.
00:10:13.000So that really shows you what kind of Chinese Communist Party entities these people are interacting with.
00:10:19.000And I really think it shouldn't be lost on anyone, the gravity of this influence campaign that has emanated, not just from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, but really entire all of think tank row in Washington, D.C.
00:10:33.000Because back in 2012, QSEF, again, this Chinese influence group, had partnered with the Carnegie Endowment to publish the U.S.-China Security Perceptions Project.
00:10:43.000And really, the core thesis of this document, which included a host of American politicians, people who now work in the Biden regime, very influential people, the central thesis was to emphasize cooperation over competition.
00:10:59.140And basically, what you see is that from then on, the Carnegie Endowment and all of their so-called experts really have just kind of washed, rinsed, repeat, maybe changed these talking points every now and then.
00:11:11.560But it really is the broader narrative, the broader push, this Thucydides trap idea, which is, I mean, aggressively anti-American.
00:11:20.180It's always betting against America, but it really is the idea that America should not confront China on any issue.
00:11:30.100But what's so interesting, too, I think, just to kind of extrapolate, you know, Don Bateman wrote a book about decoupling with China.
00:11:37.320And the person who wrote the foreword for it was former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
00:11:42.080And the Carnegie Endowment is also extensively funded by a bunch of these big tech companies.
00:11:46.100But also there's, of course, you know, federal government funding that goes into it.
00:11:50.260It really is, in some ways, a state-run think tank.
00:11:53.500And I think you have to understand that, you know, I think we're learning day by day that a lot of these social media platforms are state-run social media entities, right, like Twitter.
00:12:03.180But I think there's a component, right, for example, this Politico piece is a perfect glowing example of it.
00:12:08.400But there's also an element of state-run media going on here in the United States where you see a lot of these American kind of intelligence agencies in partnership with the Chinese Communist Party are really laundering this bizarre theory, this bizarre Thucydides trap theory, this bizarre collaboration over confrontation angle and approach to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:12:31.300And I think the best part of this article, too, is that they try to say that the Biden regime has actually been difficult and been tough on China because they chose to sanction a few technology companies.
00:12:42.860And the timing of this is very curious because it's certainly coming just as we're going to be getting into congressional investigations into how Hunter Biden is compromised by China and really the entire Democratic Party and establishment.
00:12:54.100So they're trying to get ahead of this by saying, actually, Joe Biden is tough on the Chinese Communist Party, which I think anyone knows who follows politics.
00:13:02.460Nothing could be further from the truth.
00:13:04.500We're going to get into this next in the next segments and through the rest of the hour about the collapse of the narrative.
00:13:10.200But part of this is obviously the focus on Fauci and the investigation in the Wuhan lab and the whole beginning of the COVID-19 and the vax and all that.
00:13:20.180But I want to go back. We've got about a minute. Just go back. Let's hit rewind.
00:13:23.320I want you to just go through the Carnegie Endowment of their involvement, direct involvement with the Chinese Communist Party, as you found from your research.
00:13:33.120There's no better example of this than the fact that the founder and the ranking chairman of the United Front, which is, again, China's political warfare operation, a guy by the name of Tung Chihuahua, he visited the Carnegie Endowment and gave a speech there.
00:13:47.540They welcomed him with open arms a few years ago.
00:13:50.600So from then on, they proceeded to open up institutes in China, partnering with state-run institutions like Tsinghua University, which has launched cyber attacks against the United States, conducts espionage campaigns.
00:14:02.500It's also the alma mater of Xi Jinping.
00:14:04.940I know this think tank may be based in Washington, D.C., even though it does have offshoots in China, but it really should register as a foreign agent on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party, because the talking points that come out of it, really, you can't cut any difference between that and what Beijing wants.
00:14:20.160Do you believe you have enough evidence that you could go and that they should be registered as a foreign agent representing the Chinese Communist Party?
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00:17:55.500And we're going to, and in that time, and Ian Bremmer says, Ian Bremmer calls it the most important geopolitical at that time event in the 21st century where they made a declaration internally.
00:18:05.480They were going to decouple technologically, that they couldn't allow Facebook and Twitter and also all the advanced developments in quantum computing that we could cut them off with and choke them down in 90 days.
00:18:17.540Capital technology, we could finish the Chinese Communist Party and allow Lao Beijing to overthrow them in 90 days, 100 days, 100 days.
00:18:25.220So they're the ones that have been the aggressors.
00:18:28.940They're the ones that are at war with us, and they're open about it.
00:18:31.080And they – unrestricted warfare in the spectrum of unrestricted warfare, information warfare, cyber warfare, political warfare, and most importantly, economic warfare.
00:18:42.200And their part is political warfare and economic warfare, which Natalie Winters has gone out chapter and verse and shown you the infiltration here in the United States into the biggest institutions, the most powerful institutions.
00:18:52.420And this gets to the heart of what the Hunter Biden situation is.
00:18:55.640Joe Biden was looking at as an asset they wanted to control, and they're going to go through the drug-infested pervert son, right?
00:20:03.420And until Elon Musk allows any of the really anti-hardcore, anti-hickdown of the CCP people to be back on, I don't see Miles Groh back on there.
00:20:12.760Hey, Miles Groh may not be your cup of tea, but he's done more than any individual world to cite exactly what the problem is and identify him in the United States.
00:20:21.140And that's why they took him off Twitter.
00:20:34.980And so I just want to make sure when I leave you, because you're going to write this one up, because we've got to take on the Carnegie Endowment, because they're emblematic of the insidious nature of what's happened here.
00:20:49.240And that piece just drove me crazy, because they're trying to gaslight everybody.
00:20:52.480On the spectrum, remember, we've gone from – the thing is cooperation, right, the accommodationists, a cooperation to competition.
00:21:02.080They're really a strategic competitor.
00:21:03.460That's what the Defense Department says now.
00:21:13.660Can the 7th Fleet stop them in the South China Sea?
00:21:16.920Can the 7th Fleet stop them in an invasion or air and naval blockade of Taiwan, Silicon Valley West, that we allowed to happen?
00:21:25.320So, Natalie, on that spectrum, given the level of infiltration with good old cash money, what do you think has to happen to start to turn this around?
00:21:39.140And what would you like to see out of – we know we're going to have a joint committee, but you don't have banks running it.
00:21:44.540You're going to have a joint committee on China in the new – you know, he promised that.
00:21:52.160That was one of McCarthy's promises, right?
00:21:55.280You don't have the fire breather that's going to run it.
00:21:57.440But what would you like to see out of this Congress in its first couple weeks to show that we're serious about beginning to confront the Chinese Communist Party in its essential takeover of the United States of America, ma'am?
00:22:13.540So, when I first started doing my investigative reporting on CCP infiltration in the United States, I mean, I was 19 and I didn't really have any understanding of the scope of what was going on, right?
00:22:26.460And I didn't come at it from this, like, meta-world view of I was going to uncover this very calculated, multi-billion-dollar effort to really penetrate every aspect of American society.
00:22:37.300So, I just sort of went along doing it story by story, being able to pick out, you know, a piece of information by piece of information.
00:22:44.700And there was so much information that I was really able to sustain my career to this day, right?
00:22:52.180And my reporting has only been able, really, as a result of publicly available information, particularly through the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
00:23:05.080A lot of these groups are sanctioned by the Trump administration, so they don't operate as much now, which is something that when Trump wins again, he should definitely continue and reverse the Biden regime's reversal of those policies.
00:23:16.920But I think what we need to do, if you really want to get to the heart of it, these groups, like the China United States Exchange Foundation, the Chinese People's Association for Friendship and Foreign Contact, all these very euphemistic-sounding names, these innocuous-sounding groups, they all have American lobbyists who work in D.C.
00:23:36.480And part of it is these think tanks, right, like the Cardigan Endowment, they certainly launder their talking points.
00:23:41.580But I'm talking specifically about lobbying shops who also work for big companies like, you know, Amazon and Microsoft and Google.
00:23:47.800But a lot of these Chinese influence groups also have American lobbyists.
00:23:51.220And what we should do is we should subpoena every single American who has lobbied or worked on behalf of one of these Chinese Communist Party influence groups for all information and materials relevant to who they help these groups liaise with, have meetings with, talk to, send over on free trips, subsidized trips to China.
00:24:12.800Because what's available through Farah in this database is 0.0001% of the entire story, right?
00:24:21.380Think about the Hunter Biden hard drive.
00:24:25.780And with what I've been able to uncover from Farah, I could only imagine with the power of the subpoena going after these people, with who they've helped connect with the Chinese Communist Party, who they have effectively sold out to the highest bidder, right?
00:24:39.740Get the documents that underwrite that footnote that show the managed decline of the United States.
00:24:45.940The way to cut through the noise, get the signal, and actually get to the heart of this issue is to subpoena the Americans who have lobbied on behalf of these foreign influence groups and get the full list of names of people who have had ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:25:01.920And then from there, we'll go from there.
00:25:03.780I dare anybody out there to show me three minutes of CNN over the last 10 years, three minutes from MSNBC, from any of the major news broadcasts, and let's throw in Fox News, okay?
00:25:19.700That's a better, succinct summary of exactly where we are and what we should do than 22-year-old Natalie Winters.
00:25:55.820This is essential to everything going forward to make sure that we fully understand how the American ruling class and the elites believe in support in the managed decline of this country and how their partners in this are the Chinese Communist Party.
00:27:10.300That makes sense because the disability rate of the civilian labor force is much lower.
00:27:14.800So, what we're seeing is basically, since the release of the vaccines, a huge increase in the disabilities, the disability rates of particularly the employed of the country.
00:27:26.540And the numbers just keep getting worse and worse.
00:27:29.840So, we'll be dropping this stuff soon, probably today or tomorrow on our website so people can read it and analyze it.
00:27:37.720Could there be any other – that's a pretty harsh – when you say poisoned the working population, that's a pretty tough charge.
00:27:46.480Could there be anything else in your mind that could cause this correlation, sir?
00:27:53.340So, obviously, correlation is not causation.
00:27:58.700But in the absence of any other explanation, at a base minimum, there's a health crisis in this country.
00:28:06.060Something's going on that's causing the employed of our country to experience disabilities at a much higher rate than the rest of the general population.
00:28:15.680So, until someone can explain to me that there's a new virus that only goes out to the employed that work in corporations with mandates or mid-sized companies with mandates, I'd love to hear that.
00:28:26.120And I'll definitely take that under consideration.
00:28:28.460But in my humble opinion, and I told Senator Ron Johnson this privately, this is a national security concern, bottom line.
00:30:14.160After I've stolen the title, borrowed against it, or sold the property, it's 60 to 90 days for that person to even figure out that they're the victim of this crime.
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00:32:00.480Because you guys are always looking for anomalies in the data.
00:32:03.380You first got attracted to this a couple of years ago when we first started having you on the show.
00:32:08.580And your first thing was about the difference in the mortalities.
00:32:10.920I want you to go back about your original theory of the case and what has been proven over time by the math.
00:32:16.440And then I want to go to these disabilities again before we lose you.
00:32:19.960So tell me about your original theory of the case on the increased mortality that you wrote the great book about for Tony Lyons and the team over at Skyhorse.
00:32:27.700Yeah, so, you know, what got me interested in this was the sudden athletic deaths and anecdotes in my friend's circle when the vaccine was introduced in 21.
00:32:37.160Statistically, if the vaccine was safe, I shouldn't be hearing about anything.
00:32:40.920That's a normal vaccine that's been vetted for 7 to 10 years normally before it's stuck in the arms of people.
00:32:51.960He got my media profile up and I told him and others I was going to look at the insurance data.
00:32:57.220I had a Wall Street analyst, Josh Sterling, help me analyze that.
00:33:00.740He's now public doing his own thing, trying to get the insurance industry to admit there's a problem.
00:33:04.780And in August of this year, all our numbers that we previewed on your show were ratified by the Society of Actuaries with their survey of the group life policyholders, which showed 40 percent excess mortality for ages 25 through 64 in 2021 versus the general population of 32 percent.
00:33:27.160Why that's interesting is because the group life policyholders have been proven in previous studies to be a much healthier population.
00:33:33.240They die in a normal non-pandemic year.
00:33:37.120They die at a 30 to 40 percent mortality rate of the general U.S. population in any given year.
00:34:27.060So then I hooked up with some guys from Portugal who were starting a hedge fund, Ph.D. physicist.
00:34:32.640We've now looked at the data in basically every European country, the U.K., Australia, obviously the U.S., and we're going to do Canada soon.
00:34:55.060Even the deceleration in the increase in the number would somehow coincide.
00:35:01.640Because I want people to understand, Denmark and certain countries that were the most adamant about everybody vaxxed and the big Wall Street firms who are in the information business.
00:35:11.440When you cut down Goldman Sachs and BlackRock and Morgan Stanley, their basic business is the information business.
00:35:20.200They're supposed to be to get it earlier and to be able to monetize it quicker and smartly.
00:35:26.240So I think Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and other investment banks and people started to get away from the absolute ironclad mandatory vaccinations.
00:35:35.020They started to ease up somewhat on that.
00:35:36.500Yeah, so Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs this summer quietly dispensed with their vaccine mandate.
00:35:43.720Made some headlines, but not a lot of fanfare.
00:35:46.900You know, I know that Nomura, a Japanese bank, has done the same thing.
00:35:51.220So, you know, it's quietly going on on Wall Street.
00:35:55.320And you've got to remember, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs led the charge.
00:35:58.360They mandated vaccines ahead of the executive order in the summer of 2021.
00:36:05.040In fact, if you were CEO of a company and wanted to raise capital and go into the offices of Morgan Stanley, you couldn't enter their offices unless you were vaccinated.
00:36:14.980That's how draconian they were in 2021.
00:36:17.640Have you noticed around the world, as this evidence is becoming irrefutable, that you're seeing the countries, whether it's England, Denmark, others, quietly, without a lot of fanfare, start to back off this?
00:36:33.940And even the Biden administration didn't put up a big fight.
00:36:36.360And a lot of the hardcore biomedical industry people on MSNBC were going nuts.
00:36:41.380They didn't put up a big fight on taking off the mandate for the military going forward.
00:36:48.320And if this was all supposed to be so life or death, they just kind of walked away from that.
00:37:08.040They had excess mortality 21 above 20, 22 above 21 in every age cohort.
00:37:14.000So it was devastating Denmark and Denmark in September, while I was writing the book, banned the vaccine for under 50 and said, basically, it's better to get COVID than the vaccine, which is Orwellian doublespeak for your chances of living are better with the COVID virus than the vaccine itself.
00:37:49.860The, the, so just to give you an idea of the number, uh, I said on your show a couple of weeks ago and to Senator Ron Johnson, it was about 1.2 million.
00:38:00.880Uh, it's now about 1.7 million, uh, starting in February of 21 through November of, uh, 22, 1.7 million employed people have become disabled.
00:38:14.440And we're even looking at this in a different way.
00:38:16.580We're looking at this relative to those not in the labor force, those people, those individuals who decided to get fired or leave their job and not take the vax.
00:38:25.240And relative, uh, to that number, the change in disability rate, rate of new disabilities for the employed population is about 553% above not in labor force.
00:38:37.000And the civilian labor force is about 435% above not in labor force.
00:38:41.760So what we're doing is we're looking at those individuals who decided to pay attention to their health and leave and not work versus those who stayed employed.
00:38:50.340So I've been saying this ad nauseum for the last two months.
00:38:54.100It's been detrimental to your health to be employed in 21 and 22.
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