Speaker of the House Frank Gaffney announces a new committee that will investigate the rise of the Chinese Communist Party and its influence in the United States. Will it have teeth? And will it be able to do anything about it?
00:02:15.000Frank Gaffney, you've been at this since the Reagan Administration Defense Department.
00:02:19.000And I realize a lot of people got hurt feelings that they said, but to have a Speaker of the House say, we're going to deal with the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, not China, not the Chinese people, but the Chinese Communist Party puts the target right on them.
00:02:34.000And trust me, in Beijing, they're going, what did that guy just say?
00:02:37.000It's interesting how, if this is to get effectuated, the Committee on the Present Danger, China, because it's just not about the kinetic war that we're facing, it's also about how we underwrite the Chinese Communist Party and the infiltration of this nation, the capital markets, big tech.
00:02:53.360These investigations, many of them are going to be inextricably linked.
00:02:56.540We talk about a church commission, you talk about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:02:59.840A lot of these investigations are going to have a central locus to them, and that is the Chinese Communist Party.
00:03:07.520It's influenced here in the United States of America.
00:03:10.060First off, do you think the Republican Party means it?
00:03:13.420Are we going to just have another Benghazi?
00:03:15.080Is this going to be a Trey Gowdy performative where you do 12 hours with Hillary Clinton, and then she just walks away scot-free and nothing ends up?
00:03:21.080You get a report nine months later that nothing happens.
00:03:23.900Frank Gaffney, or is this going to have real teeth in it, sir?
00:03:26.880Steve, I think you've hit the key point on several of those topics.
00:03:36.920A shortcoming of this package, which in many ways is very impressive, the rules package that has to be passed, is that it does not strengthen the oversight function.
00:03:51.640And let's face it, they can talk a lot about legislation, it's performative, as you like to say, unless they get the Senate to go along and the president to sign it.
00:04:02.280The budget is locked down, as you pointed out, endlessly, until at least the start of the fiscal year.
00:04:07.900But oversight is the key piece that they can do, that they must do.
00:04:14.060It's sort of the leitmotif of what this effort to hold him accountable was all about, and yet it's not contained as it should be in the package.
00:04:24.160So to answer your question, we'll have an early test with this China Select Committee and possibly the Judiciary Committee, possibly the Oversight Committee.
00:04:33.700Will this speaker permit the chairman of those committees to investigate rigorously the very central threat that we're facing from the Chinese Communist Party, which is they've gotten their hooks into Wall Street, including outfits like Sequoia Capital, which isn't based in New York.
00:04:54.940It's based in Menlo Park, part of Kevin McCarthy's constituency in the broadest sense, whose president, founder, Neil Chen, by the way, Neil Chen, has just created in the past six months a $9 billion fund just to invest in Chinese startups.
00:05:16.660Like 900 companies in China are in his portfolio, a hundred of them have a billion dollars in equity.
00:05:26.340This is a guy who is deeply, in fact, get this, he's the sole venture capital industry representative on the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.
00:05:38.260I mean, this guy is deeply in bed with the Chinese Communist Party, and Sequoia Capital is, I think, an outfit that the Speaker of the House has been in bed with, too.
00:05:49.220So will he let each or, better yet, all of these committees go there, explore this, because we've got to stop underwriting the mortal threat we're facing from the Chinese Communist Party.
00:06:02.680And if we can't look at it, and by the way, the China Task Force that McCarthy set up two years ago didn't do that.
00:06:11.580They were going to, but they just didn't get around to it.
00:06:14.100I think that was because, like Benghazi, he told them, don't go there.
00:07:18.840The rules package as a rules package is pretty impressive from people in the House Freedom Caucus and others that have wanted to have these changes for years.
00:07:27.660Supposedly, it's going to be passed, but the Democrats are going to fight this, and already, as Frank mentioned, there's some moderate Republicans already come out and said,
00:07:38.000So we're going to have a whole other fight on that starting Friday at, I think, 5 o'clock when they kick it back off.
00:07:44.340Frank, I'm going to have you back on because there's a whole bunch of stuff already in debt ceiling, on budgets, and about the defense budget, and it can't be cut.
00:07:50.940People should understand, there's not even a day off today.
00:07:54.740There's all kind of behind-the-scenes brawling already.
00:07:57.780So if you want fights, if you want to get what you want, you're going to have to stay in here and fight every day because this thing is going to get tough, and it's going to get gnarly.
00:08:06.340Real quickly, Mike Gallagher, a Marine, impressive young man.
00:08:10.660Is he put on there by McCarthy because they don't want to go to the places we know they have to?
00:08:15.720Look, to get to the bottom of the rise of the CCP and to get to the bottom of our debt problem and everything, the central core of it, you've got to get into their infiltration on Wall Street and in Silicon Valley.
00:08:26.740You have to do it if you don't do that.
00:08:28.720And also, that's also inextricably linked, and Pasova's going to be in a second.
00:08:32.140He's from the intel service, to DHS, to CIA, to DNI, to FBI, to DOJ.
00:08:56.380I think Mike is a good guy, and I was impressed that he did say in a recent, I think it was an NPR interview, that we need to find out what's going on with the financing of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:09:08.560The test is whether Kevin McCarthy will let him go there, and if he doesn't, whether Gallagher will say, I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, we have to go there because we can't perform the oversight function you've charged us with doing if we don't get to the bottom of who is paying for it.
00:09:27.420And by the way, folks, once again, it's you who are paying for it.
00:09:35.500It's your money that is being migrated to this mortal threat, and they are using it shamelessly to do things, I think, I hope you're going to talk about Brazil later in the program, like the Belt and Road Initiative in our own front yard that's designed to expand the global reach of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:09:52.700We've got to get to the bottom of this.
00:09:54.260I think Mike Gallagher wants to do that.
00:09:56.180The Committee on the Present Danger China is determined to help him do that, and we're all about it.
00:10:07.200People have got to, if you want the immersive experience, they've got the content, and you will be informed because this is what these investigations are going to be going down these verticals.
00:11:34.060People are out there chanting huge Trump signs, Trump won, Trump 2024, all of it.
00:11:39.520But, Steve, what people need to understand is that this audience, the War Room Posse, outlets like Human Events, outlets like Turning Point, so many of these out there, that's the reason for this week.
00:11:54.540That's the reason that these achievements and this historic stand, which has not occurred since the days of the Civil War, took place this week, that you saw people bring a faction of the party because that's essentially what you have.
00:12:11.940There's Conservative Inc. and there's MAGA.
00:12:14.900And there has always been this tension, this tug of war, and a political power struggle between those two factions since, what, June of 2015, when President Trump came down that escalator, that golden escalator.
00:12:29.440You're now seeing that very same fight, eight years later, play out on the floor of the House of Representatives, even right up to the brawl of the ballots that we saw last night with Mike Rogers, which I don't even know if that guy should be on committees after the way he behaved last night.
00:12:48.120Look, when you've got Kevin McCarthy up there talking about debt ceiling, talking about the FBI, the Chinese Communist Party, do you think for a second that he would be saying that without MAGA, without the deplorables, without the War Room Posse at the Beck and call and have those 20 powers?
00:13:27.720We must be vigilant, and we must hold account.
00:13:31.960We must hold all of them, not just McCarthy, but all of these committees, that if we're going to go after something, I don't want to be Trey Gowdy and the Benghazi two-step anymore.
00:13:39.780No, we want actual, actionable intelligence.
00:13:42.860If we're going to go after the Chinese Communist Party, I want to go after every single one of them because this is an elite merger.
00:13:54.140It's all of it working hand in glove with the CCP.
00:13:56.660Can I ask you just to hold on for a second because I want to get into the – Frank used the term, I think the old term, elite capture, elite mergers, the concept that Posobiec brought up.
00:14:06.980He speaks perfect Mandarin, a naval intelligence officer.
00:14:48.140And these investigations from industry with Lincoln, you're going to get to the bottom of what's going on.
00:14:53.420One of the things Tom Massey said last night, Tucker, and since you're an intelligence officer, I want you to help me out here.
00:14:59.180But the disturbing thing I heard, even on the Church Commission and this investigation into the FBI, into DOJ, into Intel, Massey, who's one of the biggest freedom patriots out there, wants to repeal the Patriots Act.
00:15:12.300He said, hey, most of this is going to take place in the SCIF.
00:15:15.440People should know the SCIF is a secure location underneath the Capitol, right?
00:15:21.160SCIFs are these places you have where you go in and they block out all the electronics so they can't do any wiretapping or they can't have listening devices.
00:15:30.200This is the most secure places you have.
00:15:32.720Jack, tell our audience, is that me it's all going to be classified?
00:15:35.600How are you going to get to the bottom of this to the public?
00:15:38.000If already they're setting the table stakes, it's all going to be highly classified, sir?
00:15:45.500So when you go into this church committee, church-style committee, and I hope Thomas Massey is either a leader of it or very close to the leader of it.
00:15:52.760I hope Darren Beattie is involved for the January 6th aspect of it.
00:15:55.840But when we're – and because we should be subpoenaing, by the way, the records of all the text messages to Ray Epps, internet messages, whether that be social media, whether it be Facebook, WhatsApp, anything that we can get access to, that should all be subpoenaed.
00:16:11.040Now, I'm not saying release it, but if we find something where he's communicating with any element of the federal government, we need to have that information.
00:16:19.140Now, Steve, to your point on Massey's comment about the SCIF, walk people through that.
00:16:23.240S-C-I-F, Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.
00:16:26.660That means you can see information in there up to the T-S-S-C-I level, so top-secret SCI.
00:16:55.740I'm talking about subpoenaing every agent that was going through and censoring people when it came to talking about the vaccines, when it came to talking about Hunter Biden, when it came to talking about the Chinese Communist Party.
00:17:05.600There are several tranches of information that we're going to have to run this on.
00:17:10.020Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:17:17.280We called for this church commission a couple of years ago because of what I saw was going on with President Trump.
00:17:22.480Remember, I'm the one that spent more time in front of these Senate intel, House intel, and the Mola Commission.
00:17:29.020I spent more hours, they tried to break me, than anybody in the Trump administration.
00:17:34.380Don McGahn, I think, was second and Reince Priebus was third.
00:17:38.760And this is what I called for immediately after that, a church commission to look at the FBI, look at DOJ, and look at also the Chinese Communist Party infiltration into the United States.
00:17:50.060You just used a phrase, the Gang of Eight.
00:17:52.080Now, a lot of people in our audience will remember that from the immigration thing.
00:17:55.900The original concept of the Gang of Eight came out of, wait for it, the church commission, the church committee.
00:18:02.160Back in the 50s and 60s, and particularly the assassination of President Kennedy, the assassination of President Diem, which Jack Kennedy did not authorize, right?
00:18:13.520These assassinations, the wiretapping of American citizens, the anti-war movement, the Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan, all these different bad guy operations, right?
00:18:25.740Some of them, and also the civil rights movement, other movements, domestic surveillance, putting federal agents in these groups.
00:18:34.540And after Watergate, it came out in the church commission that something like, and correct me on the numbers, but something like a third of the KKK was either a federal informant or on the federal payroll at that point, all around the country.
00:19:07.080In the church, they came up with a concept called the gang of eight, and that is a couple, the speaker, the senior people from the House and the Senate, plus the heads of the intelligence community, the Devin Nunez intelligence agency.
00:19:22.260They get, and for the president to do a covert action, you have to have what's called, what, a presidential, they have to write an action report, a presidential finding.
00:19:38.540So the church commission had a major impact in that it actually got the House and the Senate back involved.
00:19:45.060And this is the beginning of trying to break the imperial presidency because they thought the presidencies of Nixon, quite frankly, Johnson and these others, had been out of control.
00:19:54.920And so this is why this new one is so on.
00:19:57.880When we say church committee, we're not talking about the church.
00:20:02.240We're talking about Frank Church, the senator from Idaho.
00:20:13.900And this is back when it was revealed that the CIA had, in the 70s, by the way, the CIA had a heart attack inducing ray gun, that they could point a ray gun at you and induce a heart attack.
00:20:25.180And Frank Church brought that to the well of the Senate and held it up before the American people.
00:20:29.360That was the 70s, ladies and gentlemen.
00:20:31.900He gave an interview at the end of that, and I'd love we can get that audio where he talks about.
00:21:50.540And we want to get Jack on here next week to go through all of it.
00:21:53.140By the way, one of the smartest guys in the business who's one of the engine room in the war room has been texting me about Jack's conversation.
00:22:00.720He said, remind, when you use the SCIF, that's the ultimate in controlled opposition.
00:22:05.680It's the ultimate in controlled opposition.
00:22:07.760Pasovic, how did he get to you on social media?
00:22:10.480Well, of course, you can find me on Twitter every day.
00:22:27.540Okay, we're not going to have time to play the whole clip.
00:22:28.980I want to play a clip we're going to talk to.
00:22:30.900CNN did an excellent clip on the history of the Freedom Caucus.
00:22:34.800This is what basically command by negation over the last five days has been driven by Matt Gaetz and the Freedom Caucus.
00:22:39.900Let's play the clip, and we'll just go to break, and I'll come back.
00:22:42.700We won't have enough time to play the whole thing, but let it rip.
00:22:45.620Yeah, and most of those holdouts, most of those who initially at least voted against McCarthy, were part of the Freedom Caucus.
00:22:53.040How did they emerge from this fight within the party?
00:22:56.300It's a great question because the Freedom Caucus here did have considerable sway.
00:23:00.660They were among many of the holdouts that consistently voted against McCarthy.
00:23:04.800In the end, they did get some concessions.
00:23:07.060They got more spots on the House Rules Committee for, for example, an important committee up here on Capitol Hill.
00:23:13.700But this is certainly just the pattern that we have seen from the House Freedom Caucus over nearly the last decade trying to pressure House Republican leaders at every turn.
00:23:26.600I don't take orders from anyone in this town.
00:23:28.920They have become some of the most obstructionist.
00:23:35.600And antagonistic Republican members on Capitol Hill.
00:23:39.320Fed up with the ways of the swamp and fed up with leadership that fails us, telling us to vote along with a Democrat agenda that is completely failing America.
00:23:49.320The House Freedom Caucus, a small but feisty group of Republican rebels that has become a thorn stuck firmly in the side of Republican leadership for nearly a decade.
00:24:00.660What I do not support is blindly supporting legislation that is critically flawed at its core because of, oh, we're in the minority.
00:24:10.360Building a brand on challenging GOP leaders, earning them various nicknames from their own party, like legislative terrorists and the Taliban-19.
00:24:19.580Being told by our own Republican leadership, well, it's 90 percent good.
00:27:55.560But walk people through what we did get, and how do you actually make that work maybe even better than taking out the head of the swamp, sir?
00:28:05.900And we got to this point in the debate because of the war room posse and those across the country who get their signal from it, that the terms that McCarthy was willing to agree to were such that almost no other speaker would agree to.
00:28:20.980In the amount of decentralization that would be given to conservatives and the rank-and-file and the member who are the exact opposite of the cartel.
00:28:32.740And so this was an opportunity to have a paradigm-shifting result in how the House is operated.
00:28:39.640And let me just go through the terms of what we're talking about.
00:28:42.580The big three, in my mind, and the crown jewel, is that the Rules Committee, which is complicated, procedural, but in the House of Representatives, all major bills and amendments are approved and governed by the Rules Committee.
00:28:55.340If you don't have that, then you have all sorts of other rules in the House that allow substantial debate, and you have real power.
00:29:04.240But the Rules Committee will now be stocked with conservatives that will have the ability to stop a $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.
00:29:13.420That day is now over as a result of the ability to have what I call an independent Rules Committee.
00:29:20.600Steve, we haven't seen it since Sam Rayburn.
00:29:22.560This is 60 years of the cartel building an apparatus of power in the speakership and the elected leader, and we have changed that as a result of the 20.
00:29:38.360All of the terms of the policy agreements, and there are big ones.
00:29:41.680They basically took the parameters of the budget that I've been putting forward and said, this is what we're doing in the House of Representatives.
00:29:48.740And they're saying, we're going to go in that direction.
00:29:51.620And the debt limit is going to be fought on that budget.
00:29:56.720That is enforced by the Rules Committee.
00:29:58.980We'll not put a budget resolution on the floor controlled by House conservatives that does not meet a balanced budget's intent.
00:30:06.500How does all the terms about who's on this committee or, you know, what this, you know, this thing needs to be passed in the first quarter, all of that is governed by a motion to vacate.
00:30:16.960One member, Matt Gaetz, can go to the floor and say, we're going to have a vacate vote, a vote of no confidence in normal procedural speak.
00:30:26.740We're going to have a vote of no confidence, and the 20 will be able to ride herd to make sure that the deal is enforced.
00:30:33.240So people want to talk about how this thing is enforced.
00:30:36.120It's enforced, built in with the Rules Committee, never had in 60 years, and the motion to vacate, which we now have back on the terms that Mark Meadows used it with John Boehner.
00:30:51.040This is what coalitional government looks like now.
00:30:54.920That's why this is so seminal, because we've been saying the HFC needs to be treated with respect procedurally, politically, and on the basis of policy, as if it is a partner in coalitional government.
00:31:08.000That is now the case, and it would not have happened without the courage of the 20 and the grassroots MAGA movement that this show represents.
00:31:16.700The mainstream media, here's the tale.
00:31:20.460The mainstream media is saying this is the chaos caucus, that the war room and their audience and nothing but a bunch of nihilists, you could see this from Gates.
00:31:29.660All they wanted to do was command by negation.
00:31:34.720And we know that if they hate it, it's got to be a good thing.
00:31:37.700But walk our audience through how we actually enforce it.
00:31:39.960I think a lot of people are saying, hey, look, these swamp guys are so, you know, the cartel is so smart, so powerful, so strong.
00:31:46.180They may agree to all this, but at the end of the day, nothing will change.
00:31:50.600What do we have to do, and this audience has to do, you and your organization and the House Freedom Caucus and Gates and Boebert and those members, what do they have to do to actually make sure we don't, after we roll them, we don't get rolled?
00:32:05.020The first thing everyone needs to do is come alongside and thank the 20 and keep that 20 together as a group.
00:32:11.380Just the way we look at things on TV and in real time with Twitter, there's going to be a tendency to say, well, there was the 6 and the 5 and the 13 that took the deal earlier.
00:32:30.520They need to be excited about what they just accomplished because they did achieve a transformational result, and they're the new coalitional government in Congress.
00:32:40.180And the other members of the HFC that didn't join them are going to want to be a part of that as of right now.
00:32:46.920The second thing is we've got to stay plugged in because there will be upcoming votes about those House conservatives on the Rules Committee are going to now have real de jure authority power in the House,
00:33:02.740and we're going to need to make sure that the terms of this agreement are being fought for on every given day, every given moment, and that can happen.
00:33:10.860We just showed what it looks like, and we showed what they can do.
00:33:15.140When you've got the grassroots saying the same thing as the House conservative members and the outside groups like ours,
00:33:21.660when you have that triangle of influence, you can roll any cartel.
00:35:00.060We haven't seen a victory like this in 60 years.
00:35:02.760Steve, when you talk about earmarked fans being a victory, it was a victory.
00:35:06.860It has nothing compared to the real power to control the money flows and all of the priorities that are so important in the moment that we're in.
00:36:02.480Remember, Ralph Norman got involved in here because McCarthy blew him off the first time.
00:36:06.140He says, I'm not going to support this balanced budget stuff.
00:36:08.660What has changed in this deal right here, Russ Vogt, your balanced budget structure is the basic foundational element of the debt ceiling fight and all of it.
00:36:18.760So that's extraordinary. It shows you what great work and how seriously they take you over at the center.
00:36:24.380And also how powerful the Freedom Caucus and Gates and these guys are to put that in and say, hey, we've got to have this balanced budget or we're not going to do this.
00:36:32.280Russ, how do they get to you, the center, how do they get to social media, how do they find out everything is going on, particularly over the weekend?
00:36:37.120Because there's going to be a lot happening.
00:39:31.940This is why I'm here at the Vatican today.
00:39:34.460This is why we're talking about the death of Pope Benedict and what that death represents.
00:39:39.020And it's why we're always talking about the importance of coming together again here, really important, traditional Catholics and conservative evangelicals working together to try to restore these pillars that the haters of Western civilization have been rather successfully kicking down over recent decades.
00:39:59.580So, with that said, Steve, I'd just like to talk about the importance of Pope Benedict and his death in the progress of the Church over the second half of the 20th century.
00:40:37.080We've also seen this very successfully implemented inside the Second Vatican Council.
00:40:42.240And what Pope Benedict tried to do was he tried to create a bridge between this core modernizing agenda and the traditional Catholic faith.
00:40:59.100And with that passing, something very important has changed inside the Church, right?
00:41:04.300What we no longer have, which is the situation under John Paul II, which was basically 50% was, let's call it, conservative, with air quotes, conservative conciliarism, which is the idea that the Second Vatican Council can be interpreted correctly.
00:41:19.880So it's about a quarter of the Church as progressive and, I don't know, a little less than a quarter, as traditionalist minded.
00:41:28.740What happened is that 50% of the Church that was before, that had a great devotion to John Paul II and later to Pope Benedict, that has gone now.
00:41:37.780It is no longer sustainable under the current pontificate of Pope Francis to maintain that Second Vatican Council is orthodoxable.
00:41:45.700You can make it orthodox with the direction of the Holy See.
00:41:50.000So what we now have now is the Catholic Church splitting into two currents.
00:41:54.640Progressivism, which wants a total rupture with the past, and traditionalism, which wants to go back to before the Second Vatican Council.
00:42:03.180And what we're going to try and do, and this is just basically the opening introduction now of something that's going to be increasingly important to the Worms coverage,
00:42:10.740is that we're going to build a bridge out, especially, as I say, to the conservative evangelicals,
00:42:16.120because there's a genuine relationship here between traditional Catholics and evangelicals.
00:42:21.580The psychopath behind me has gone on record saying that he doesn't like conservative Catholics working together with conservative evangelicals,
00:42:29.180especially on the life issues, if you can believe that, that just shows you how far gone that man is.
00:42:36.540All the more essential, therefore, that we find and that we rededicate ourselves to our faith,
00:42:42.320and we work together to bring back the Christian basis of Western civilization.
00:42:48.860And that is, if you look at the blessing that Archbishop Viganò has given us,
00:42:53.100that is everything that the Worm is working on.
00:42:55.580By the way, I want to thank Archbishop Viganò, I just put it up on mine, and Ben, your coverage.
00:43:01.060I want to make sure people understand, the evangelical movement, and particularly in places of oppression,
00:43:06.240like in Brazil now, under the rule of Lula, and also in China.
00:43:10.340This is why Juan Xishan, the henchman for Xi, went to Brazil.
00:43:16.000One of the things that, communists everywhere, they fear the Catholic Church,
00:43:19.840but they, and particularly right now, fear the evangelizing fervor of evangelical Christianity.
00:43:28.280It's a powerful force in this world, a powerful force in this world.
00:43:31.900And that's why in Brazil, it's driving the situation in Brazil,
00:43:35.540it's driving the situation with the Chinese Communist Party.
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