Bannon's War Room - Episode 2427： What Is Left Moving Forward With The Freedom Caucus

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:08.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.000 You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.000 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:26.000 Mega media.

00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:43.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Back.

00:00:47.000 I know the night is late, but when we come back, our very first bill will repeal the funding for $87,000.

00:01:03.000 New Ireland.

00:01:18.000 You see, we believe government should be to help you, not go after you.

00:01:24.000 We're going to pass bills to fix the nation's urgent challenges.

00:01:29.000 From wide open southern borders, to American last energy policies, to woke indoctrination in our schools.

00:01:37.000 We'll also address America's long-term challenges, the debt, and the rise of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:01:57.000 Congress must speak with one voice on both of these issues.

00:02:02.000 If you don't think that's a big deal, you were wrong.

00:02:07.000 To tie debt to the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, the only thing I would note to the new speaker, that ain't a long-term problem.

00:02:14.000 That is a here-and-now problem.

00:02:15.000 Frank Gaffney, you've been at this since the Reagan Administration Defense Department.

00:02:19.000 And I realize a lot of people got hurt feelings that they said, but to have a Speaker of the House say, we're going to deal with the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, not China, not the Chinese people, but the Chinese Communist Party puts the target right on them. 0.57

00:02:34.000 And trust me, in Beijing, they're going, what did that guy just say?

00:02:37.000 It's interesting how, if this is to get effectuated, the Committee on the Present Danger, China, because it's just not about the kinetic war that we're facing, it's also about how we underwrite the Chinese Communist Party and the infiltration of this nation, the capital markets, big tech.

00:02:53.360 These investigations, many of them are going to be inextricably linked.

00:02:56.540 We talk about a church commission, you talk about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:02:59.840 A lot of these investigations are going to have a central locus to them, and that is the Chinese Communist Party.

00:03:07.520 It's influenced here in the United States of America.

00:03:10.060 First off, do you think the Republican Party means it?

00:03:13.420 Are we going to just have another Benghazi? 0.99

00:03:15.080 Is this going to be a Trey Gowdy performative where you do 12 hours with Hillary Clinton, and then she just walks away scot-free and nothing ends up?

00:03:21.080 You get a report nine months later that nothing happens.

00:03:23.900 Frank Gaffney, or is this going to have real teeth in it, sir?

00:03:26.880 Steve, I think you've hit the key point on several of those topics.

00:03:32.720 One is it really depends.

00:03:36.920 A shortcoming of this package, which in many ways is very impressive, the rules package that has to be passed, is that it does not strengthen the oversight function.

00:03:51.640 And let's face it, they can talk a lot about legislation, it's performative, as you like to say, unless they get the Senate to go along and the president to sign it.

00:04:02.280 The budget is locked down, as you pointed out, endlessly, until at least the start of the fiscal year.

00:04:07.900 But oversight is the key piece that they can do, that they must do.

00:04:12.820 He's talked about it.

00:04:14.060 It's sort of the leitmotif of what this effort to hold him accountable was all about, and yet it's not contained as it should be in the package.

00:04:24.160 So to answer your question, we'll have an early test with this China Select Committee and possibly the Judiciary Committee, possibly the Oversight Committee.

00:04:33.700 Will this speaker permit the chairman of those committees to investigate rigorously the very central threat that we're facing from the Chinese Communist Party, which is they've gotten their hooks into Wall Street, including outfits like Sequoia Capital, which isn't based in New York.

00:04:54.940 It's based in Menlo Park, part of Kevin McCarthy's constituency in the broadest sense, whose president, founder, Neil Chen, by the way, Neil Chen, has just created in the past six months a $9 billion fund just to invest in Chinese startups.

00:05:16.660 Like 900 companies in China are in his portfolio, a hundred of them have a billion dollars in equity.

00:05:26.340 This is a guy who is deeply, in fact, get this, he's the sole venture capital industry representative on the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.

00:05:38.260 I mean, this guy is deeply in bed with the Chinese Communist Party, and Sequoia Capital is, I think, an outfit that the Speaker of the House has been in bed with, too.

00:05:49.220 So will he let each or, better yet, all of these committees go there, explore this, because we've got to stop underwriting the mortal threat we're facing from the Chinese Communist Party. 0.93

00:06:02.680 And if we can't look at it, and by the way, the China Task Force that McCarthy set up two years ago didn't do that.

00:06:11.580 They were going to, but they just didn't get around to it.

00:06:14.100 I think that was because, like Benghazi, he told them, don't go there.

00:06:18.660 We let them go there now.

00:06:20.380 And if he won't, we're not going to actually root out this larger problem, which I think is true of him to some extent.

00:06:27.820 It's certainly true of Mitch McConnell.

00:06:29.520 It's absolutely true of Nancy Pelosi, and most especially, it's true of Joe Biden and a lot of his senior subordinates.

00:06:37.820 Namely, they've been elite captured by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:06:42.540 That can't be allowed to persist, or we're toast.

00:06:47.100 I'm going to come back.

00:06:48.080 I'll get you on.

00:06:48.580 By the way, I want everybody to know that the rules package I have up right now, they were going to stay until 3 or 4 in the morning.

00:06:53.620 In fact, they announced when they came back at 10 o'clock, they assumed they were going to get the 14th vote done.

00:06:59.760 They were going to swear everybody in, and they were going to pass the rules package and finish at 2.45 in the morning at 3 o'clock.

00:07:05.580 They did lay out that schedule.

00:07:07.000 Emmer's did.

00:07:08.180 Since it was delayed and he had the brawl, it started later, and they cut it off.

00:07:13.120 The rules package is up on my getter, and Russ Vogt's going to come on.

00:07:16.460 I'm going to get Russ on here in a few minutes.

00:07:17.900 He's going to walk you through.

00:07:18.840 The rules package as a rules package is pretty impressive from people in the House Freedom Caucus and others that have wanted to have these changes for years.

00:07:27.660 Supposedly, it's going to be passed, but the Democrats are going to fight this, and already, as Frank mentioned, there's some moderate Republicans already come out and said,

00:07:35.120 McCarthy's giving too much away.

00:07:36.900 I can't vote for the rules package.

00:07:38.000 So we're going to have a whole other fight on that starting Friday at, I think, 5 o'clock when they kick it back off.

00:07:44.340 Frank, I'm going to have you back on because there's a whole bunch of stuff already in debt ceiling, on budgets, and about the defense budget, and it can't be cut.

00:07:50.940 People should understand, there's not even a day off today.

00:07:54.740 There's all kind of behind-the-scenes brawling already.

00:07:57.780 So if you want fights, if you want to get what you want, you're going to have to stay in here and fight every day because this thing is going to get tough, and it's going to get gnarly.

00:08:06.340 Real quickly, Mike Gallagher, a Marine, impressive young man.

00:08:10.660 Is he put on there by McCarthy because they don't want to go to the places we know they have to?

00:08:15.720 Look, to get to the bottom of the rise of the CCP and to get to the bottom of our debt problem and everything, the central core of it, you've got to get into their infiltration on Wall Street and in Silicon Valley.

00:08:26.740 You have to do it if you don't do that.

00:08:28.720 And also, that's also inextricably linked, and Pasova's going to be in a second. 1.00

00:08:32.140 He's from the intel service, to DHS, to CIA, to DNI, to FBI, to DOJ.

00:08:39.460 It's all of a piece.

00:08:40.520 Is Mike Gallagher, this very impressive young Marine, is he put on there, and Banks is not, and other super China hawks, right?

00:08:50.400 Is he put on there because McCarthy wants to control this already, sir?

00:08:55.060 That is a concern.

00:08:56.380 I think Mike is a good guy, and I was impressed that he did say in a recent, I think it was an NPR interview, that we need to find out what's going on with the financing of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:09:08.560 The test is whether Kevin McCarthy will let him go there, and if he doesn't, whether Gallagher will say, I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, we have to go there because we can't perform the oversight function you've charged us with doing if we don't get to the bottom of who is paying for it.

00:09:27.420 And by the way, folks, once again, it's you who are paying for it.

00:09:31.520 It is your money.

00:09:32.560 It's not Neil Shenz.

00:09:33.740 It's not Larry Fink's.

00:09:35.500 It's your money that is being migrated to this mortal threat, and they are using it shamelessly to do things, I think, I hope you're going to talk about Brazil later in the program, like the Belt and Road Initiative in our own front yard that's designed to expand the global reach of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.87

00:09:52.700 We've got to get to the bottom of this.

00:09:54.260 I think Mike Gallagher wants to do that.

00:09:56.180 The Committee on the Present Danger China is determined to help him do that, and we're all about it. 1.00

00:10:01.500 No, you've been for two years.

00:10:03.760 How do people get to all the webinars?

00:10:05.960 How do they get to your social media?

00:10:07.200 People have got to, if you want the immersive experience, they've got the content, and you will be informed because this is what these investigations are going to be going down these verticals.

00:10:16.020 How do they get there, Frank?

00:10:17.620 The easiest way is presentdangerchina.org.

00:10:21.000 We've got over 60 webinars now.

00:10:23.980 We're going to try to synthesize them with your help, Steve, in a book.

00:10:26.620 My social media is at Frank Gaffney in most of the right places.

00:10:31.960 Frank, thank you for hanging around this morning doing this.

00:10:34.820 An old warrior called back like Cincinnati's from the plow, Frank.

00:10:38.980 You're back again.

00:10:40.580 You're going to be at the tip of the spear of this.

00:10:43.100 I want everybody to know, the player, look, they didn't finish, I don't know, 2 o'clock in the morning, 2.30.

00:10:48.280 We're going to get the Gateses and the Boeberts. 1.00

00:10:50.760 All those are going to be on the Monday show.

00:10:52.200 They're either flying out, going back to their constituencies, or maybe had a late morning.

00:10:58.820 But we're going to get the players on.

00:11:00.300 I want everybody to know that.

00:11:01.820 I want to go to Posobiec.

00:11:03.980 Posobiec, and thank you for taking time away now.

00:11:06.760 I know you're down for the CPAC event tonight.

00:11:09.680 Thank you for joining us.

00:11:10.440 At twofold, I want to get to your intelligence officer, but I've got to go to you and Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point guys.

00:11:15.380 Give me your assessment of what happened over the last week, Jack Posobiec.

00:11:19.280 Well, Steve, that's right.

00:11:21.440 I am down here.

00:11:22.440 I will be attending the event tonight at Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:25.280 Huge flash mob for President Trump just outside on the Mar-a-Lago Bridge right there on the Bigam Island Bridge outside.

00:11:31.580 It's driving past yesterday.

00:11:32.920 We posted the video up.

00:11:34.060 People are out there chanting huge Trump signs, Trump won, Trump 2024, all of it.

00:11:39.520 But, Steve, what people need to understand is that this audience, the War Room Posse, outlets like Human Events, outlets like Turning Point, so many of these out there, that's the reason for this week.

00:11:54.540 That's the reason that these achievements and this historic stand, which has not occurred since the days of the Civil War, took place this week, that you saw people bring a faction of the party because that's essentially what you have.

00:12:10.440 You have two factions now.

00:12:11.940 There's Conservative Inc. and there's MAGA.

00:12:14.900 And there has always been this tension, this tug of war, and a political power struggle between those two factions since, what, June of 2015, when President Trump came down that escalator, that golden escalator.

00:12:29.440 You're now seeing that very same fight, eight years later, play out on the floor of the House of Representatives, even right up to the brawl of the ballots that we saw last night with Mike Rogers, which I don't even know if that guy should be on committees after the way he behaved last night.

00:12:46.660 But that's the tension.

00:12:48.120 Look, when you've got Kevin McCarthy up there talking about debt ceiling, talking about the FBI, the Chinese Communist Party, do you think for a second that he would be saying that without MAGA, without the deplorables, without the War Room Posse at the Beck and call and have those 20 powers?

00:13:04.820 Steve, you say it every day here.

00:13:06.240 Command by negation.

00:13:08.140 That is why he has come to the table and that he's saying all of these things now.

00:13:12.340 But it was now incumbent on this audience more than ever.

00:13:17.700 We used to have a saying in Navy intelligence, in God we trust, all others we monitor.

00:13:25.200 We must now be vigilant.

00:13:27.720 We must be vigilant, and we must hold account.

00:13:31.960 We must hold all of them, not just McCarthy, but all of these committees, that if we're going to go after something, I don't want to be Trey Gowdy and the Benghazi two-step anymore.

00:13:39.780 No, we want actual, actionable intelligence.

00:13:42.860 If we're going to go after the Chinese Communist Party, I want to go after every single one of them because this is an elite merger. 0.99

00:13:48.660 You've got people on our own side.

00:13:50.800 It's not just the CCP.

00:13:52.080 It's the Chamber of Commerce.

00:13:53.440 It's Wall Street.

00:13:54.140 It's all of it working hand in glove with the CCP.

00:13:56.660 Can I ask you just to hold on for a second because I want to get into the – Frank used the term, I think the old term, elite capture, elite mergers, the concept that Posobiec brought up.

00:14:06.980 He speaks perfect Mandarin, a naval intelligence officer.

00:14:10.540 Jack, hang on for one second.

00:14:12.360 We're going to take a short break.

00:14:13.580 One of the most senior chiefs of staff on that, and I realize John Fredericks is in the mumble tank.

00:14:17.980 People's feelings are hurt.

00:14:19.060 But this is from somebody that's an insider.

00:14:22.120 They go, Gates and Freedom Caucus ran the tables.

00:14:25.380 MAGA decides what bills actually go to the floor of the House.

00:14:28.580 And, you know, you had a Speaker of the House last night actually connect debt with the rise of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:14:42.700 It's not just investigations.

00:14:46.960 That's a huge part of this.

00:14:48.140 And these investigations from industry with Lincoln, you're going to get to the bottom of what's going on.

00:14:53.420 One of the things Tom Massey said last night, Tucker, and since you're an intelligence officer, I want you to help me out here.

00:14:59.180 But the disturbing thing I heard, even on the Church Commission and this investigation into the FBI, into DOJ, into Intel, Massey, who's one of the biggest freedom patriots out there, wants to repeal the Patriots Act.

00:15:12.300 He said, hey, most of this is going to take place in the SCIF.

00:15:15.440 People should know the SCIF is a secure location underneath the Capitol, right?

00:15:20.320 Underneath the Capitol.

00:15:21.160 SCIFs are these places you have where you go in and they block out all the electronics so they can't do any wiretapping or they can't have listening devices.

00:15:30.200 This is the most secure places you have.

00:15:32.720 Jack, tell our audience, is that me it's all going to be classified?

00:15:35.600 How are you going to get to the bottom of this to the public?

00:15:38.000 If already they're setting the table stakes, it's all going to be highly classified, sir?

00:15:44.120 Well, see, that's exactly right.

00:15:45.500 So when you go into this church committee, church-style committee, and I hope Thomas Massey is either a leader of it or very close to the leader of it.

00:15:52.760 I hope Darren Beattie is involved for the January 6th aspect of it.

00:15:55.840 But when we're – and because we should be subpoenaing, by the way, the records of all the text messages to Ray Epps, internet messages, whether that be social media, whether it be Facebook, WhatsApp, anything that we can get access to, that should all be subpoenaed.

00:16:11.040 Now, I'm not saying release it, but if we find something where he's communicating with any element of the federal government, we need to have that information.

00:16:19.140 Now, Steve, to your point on Massey's comment about the SCIF, walk people through that.

00:16:23.240 S-C-I-F, Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.

00:16:26.660 That means you can see information in there up to the T-S-S-C-I level, so top-secret SCI.

00:16:32.460 What does this mean?

00:16:33.680 Adam Schiff used to play this game of, oh, I can see the intel, but you can't.

00:16:37.520 Not good enough.

00:16:38.220 Now, you need to declassify that information.

00:16:42.000 You need to work with the Gang of Eight, and Kevin McCarthy, this is where it's going to be on him.

00:16:45.880 He's going to have to work with the Gang of Eight to declassify documents that are coming out of these investigations.

00:16:51.940 And I'm not just talking about Gen 6.

00:16:53.800 I'm talking about the Twitter files.

00:16:55.740 I'm talking about subpoenaing every agent that was going through and censoring people when it came to talking about the vaccines, when it came to talking about Hunter Biden, when it came to talking about the Chinese Communist Party.

00:17:05.600 There are several tranches of information that we're going to have to run this on.

00:17:10.020 Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:17:11.680 I'm going to put a pen in it.

00:17:13.540 Posobiec, this is why I love having you on.

00:17:14.960 It's such a brilliant transition.

00:17:17.280 We called for this church commission a couple of years ago because of what I saw was going on with President Trump.

00:17:22.480 Remember, I'm the one that spent more time in front of these Senate intel, House intel, and the Mola Commission.

00:17:29.020 I spent more hours, they tried to break me, than anybody in the Trump administration.

00:17:34.380 Don McGahn, I think, was second and Reince Priebus was third.

00:17:38.760 And this is what I called for immediately after that, a church commission to look at the FBI, look at DOJ, and look at also the Chinese Communist Party infiltration into the United States. 0.57

00:17:49.160 I want to go back.

00:17:50.060 You just used a phrase, the Gang of Eight.

00:17:52.080 Now, a lot of people in our audience will remember that from the immigration thing.

00:17:55.900 The original concept of the Gang of Eight came out of, wait for it, the church commission, the church committee.

00:18:02.160 Back in the 50s and 60s, and particularly the assassination of President Kennedy, the assassination of President Diem, which Jack Kennedy did not authorize, right?

00:18:11.740 He was as shocked as anybody.

00:18:13.520 These assassinations, the wiretapping of American citizens, the anti-war movement, the Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan, all these different bad guy operations, right?

00:18:25.740 Some of them, and also the civil rights movement, other movements, domestic surveillance, putting federal agents in these groups.

00:18:33.040 It had gotten so out of control.

00:18:34.540 And after Watergate, it came out in the church commission that something like, and correct me on the numbers, but something like a third of the KKK was either a federal informant or on the federal payroll at that point, all around the country.

00:18:48.620 Think about that.

00:18:49.660 Think about that when you think of the problem.

00:18:51.240 One third.

00:18:52.340 So they found a church commission to say, hang on.

00:18:55.840 The peoples, the House and the Senate have to have some involvement.

00:19:00.780 This is what was called the imperial presidency, okay?

00:19:05.160 And what it led to is a church.

00:19:07.080 In the church, they came up with a concept called the gang of eight, and that is a couple, the speaker, the senior people from the House and the Senate, plus the heads of the intelligence community, the Devin Nunez intelligence agency.

00:19:21.380 Four and four on each side.

00:19:22.260 They get, and for the president to do a covert action, you have to have what's called, what, a presidential, they have to write an action report, a presidential finding.

00:19:32.580 That's the official term.

00:19:33.600 That has to be presented to the gang of eight so they're in the loop.

00:19:36.480 This is a very big controversy.

00:19:38.540 So the church commission had a major impact in that it actually got the House and the Senate back involved.

00:19:45.060 And this is the beginning of trying to break the imperial presidency because they thought the presidencies of Nixon, quite frankly, Johnson and these others, had been out of control.

00:19:54.920 And so this is why this new one is so on.

00:19:57.880 When we say church committee, we're not talking about the church.

00:20:02.240 We're talking about Frank Church, the senator from Idaho.

00:20:04.360 Democrat, by the way.

00:20:05.500 Democrat senator.

00:20:06.520 Democrat Frank Church.

00:20:07.880 And he gave an incredible interview at the end of all this where he was talking.

00:20:12.700 This is in the 1970s.

00:20:13.900 And this is back when it was revealed that the CIA had, in the 70s, by the way, the CIA had a heart attack inducing ray gun, that they could point a ray gun at you and induce a heart attack.

00:20:25.180 And Frank Church brought that to the well of the Senate and held it up before the American people.

00:20:29.360 That was the 70s, ladies and gentlemen.

00:20:31.900 He gave an interview at the end of that, and I'd love we can get that audio where he talks about.

00:20:35.760 No, no.

00:20:36.340 I got to play that.

00:20:38.540 I'm going to play that one day and get you on.

00:20:40.060 It's absolutely stunning.

00:20:40.740 By the way, Frank Church was a liberal Democrat from Idaho.

00:20:44.920 My, have we.

00:20:46.180 I know you got to bounce, Posobiec, and you and Charlie are all over this.

00:20:50.760 There's a lot to play out here.

00:20:52.260 A lot to play.

00:20:52.700 Every day is a work day.

00:20:54.460 Understand we had the cartel head.

00:20:57.400 Hey, we had it.

00:20:59.060 It slipped away.

00:21:00.780 For, you know, a lot of that will become clear.

00:21:02.940 We're putting up all the articles so you understand that.

00:21:05.020 But we got a lot of work ahead of us.

00:21:06.980 People actually in D.C. from the opposite side are freaking out.

00:21:09.800 Go ahead, sir.

00:21:10.560 This audience needs to understand.

00:21:12.520 This stand does not stop.

00:21:15.500 It doesn't end with last night.

00:21:16.980 It goes on for two years.

00:21:18.800 Two years.

00:21:19.480 Because now you've got vacate the seat.

00:21:22.360 That's one vote.

00:21:23.600 That's a one person can come down and make that motion.

00:21:26.400 This audience needs to stand vigilant.

00:21:28.920 We've got two years.

00:21:29.900 Every day you're on deck, Steve.

00:21:31.120 Tomorrow, by the way, we've decided because the China Files special was so well received.

00:21:37.380 They had so much good intention.

00:21:38.580 We're actually bringing it back.

00:21:40.200 We're doing a part five, Steve.

00:21:41.720 We're doing part five tomorrow, and it's called World War Taiwan.

00:21:46.780 World War Taiwan tomorrow.

00:21:48.320 China Files part five.

00:21:50.540 And we want to get Jack on here next week to go through all of it.

00:21:53.140 By the way, one of the smartest guys in the business who's one of the engine room in the war room has been texting me about Jack's conversation.

00:22:00.720 He said, remind, when you use the SCIF, that's the ultimate in controlled opposition.

00:22:05.680 It's the ultimate in controlled opposition.

00:22:07.760 Pasovic, how did he get to you on social media?

00:22:10.480 Well, of course, you can find me on Twitter every day.

00:22:13.380 We're out there 24-7 on Telegram.

00:22:14.960 Then all the live streams are going to be up on Getter.

00:22:18.440 Jack Pasovic, good luck tonight.

00:22:20.340 CPAC, thank you.

00:22:21.680 Appreciate it.

00:22:22.260 All right.

00:22:22.520 We'll be at Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:23.400 See what the president has to say.

00:22:26.020 Okay, brother.

00:22:26.840 Report back.

00:22:27.540 Okay, we're not going to have time to play the whole clip.

00:22:28.980 I want to play a clip we're going to talk to.

00:22:30.900 CNN did an excellent clip on the history of the Freedom Caucus.

00:22:34.800 This is what basically command by negation over the last five days has been driven by Matt Gaetz and the Freedom Caucus.

00:22:39.900 Let's play the clip, and we'll just go to break, and I'll come back.

00:22:42.700 We won't have enough time to play the whole thing, but let it rip.

00:22:45.620 Yeah, and most of those holdouts, most of those who initially at least voted against McCarthy, were part of the Freedom Caucus.

00:22:53.040 How did they emerge from this fight within the party?

00:22:56.300 It's a great question because the Freedom Caucus here did have considerable sway.

00:23:00.660 They were among many of the holdouts that consistently voted against McCarthy.

00:23:04.800 In the end, they did get some concessions.

00:23:07.060 They got more spots on the House Rules Committee for, for example, an important committee up here on Capitol Hill.

00:23:13.700 But this is certainly just the pattern that we have seen from the House Freedom Caucus over nearly the last decade trying to pressure House Republican leaders at every turn.

00:23:26.600 I don't take orders from anyone in this town.

00:23:28.920 They have become some of the most obstructionist.

00:23:31.760 It gives us the power of negation.

00:23:34.040 It's the power of no.

00:23:35.600 And antagonistic Republican members on Capitol Hill.

00:23:39.320 Fed up with the ways of the swamp and fed up with leadership that fails us, telling us to vote along with a Democrat agenda that is completely failing America.

00:23:49.320 The House Freedom Caucus, a small but feisty group of Republican rebels that has become a thorn stuck firmly in the side of Republican leadership for nearly a decade.

00:24:00.660 What I do not support is blindly supporting legislation that is critically flawed at its core because of, oh, we're in the minority.

00:24:10.360 Building a brand on challenging GOP leaders, earning them various nicknames from their own party, like legislative terrorists and the Taliban-19.

00:24:19.580 Being told by our own Republican leadership, well, it's 90 percent good.

00:24:23.660 It's 90 percent tasty.

00:24:25.100 It's 90 percent pure.

00:24:26.060 There's only 10 percent poison and toxins in it.

00:24:28.440 But drink it anyway.

00:24:29.340 The group has been at the center of some of the biggest fights on Capitol Hill.

00:24:34.860 At this point, it looks like we could be in for a very long-term shutdown.

00:24:39.340 Consistently making the task of governing more challenging.

00:24:43.360 I don't want us to become a factionalized majority.

00:24:47.160 I want us to become a unified majority.

00:24:49.400 To the frustration of past House Republican speakers.

00:24:52.740 I share frustration.

00:24:53.780 About 90 percent of our conference is for this bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

00:24:59.900 And about 10 percent are not.

00:25:01.640 The Freedom Caucus was involved in former House Speaker John Boehner's ouster in 2015.

00:25:07.080 In my case, on any given day, there were two or three dozen what I call knuckleheads who just wanted, they wanted chaos.

00:25:14.300 They wanted it all their way or no way.

00:25:17.040 Who stepped down amid difficulty managing the faction.

00:25:21.100 The people on the fringes have a bigger platform to make their points.

00:25:26.160 And frankly, create chaos.

00:25:29.500 Later that year, they blocked Kevin McCarthy's first bid for Speaker.

00:25:33.320 We're looking for a Speaker who works with conservatives rather than against us.

00:25:37.160 Having a hand in his withdrawal then from the race.

00:25:40.540 I think I shocked some of you, huh?

00:25:41.760 The caucus was first founded in 2015.

00:25:45.180 You were for us!

00:25:46.760 Born out of the Tea Party movement.

00:25:48.820 Do what we told the voters we were going to do.

00:25:50.880 With founding members like Congressman Jim Jordan.

00:25:53.520 We all swore an oath of office.

00:25:55.140 Ron DeSantis and Mark Meadows, among others.

00:25:57.960 Under the original founding principles of open, accountable, and limited government, the Constitution, and the rule of law.

00:26:05.540 The group attempts to operate with a bit of mystique.

00:26:08.580 We would have to kill you if we told you.

00:26:10.460 They don't publish their member list, which is around 35 members.

00:26:14.760 And as now, a small number of them are again threatening to derail the next speaker.

00:26:19.800 If you want to drain the swamp, you cannot put the biggest alligator in charge of the exercise.

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00:27:22.760 Russ Vogt has changed around his schedule to join us here briefly.

00:27:27.420 Russ, a couple things.

00:27:29.060 First of all, we just had the history of the – CNN did a good job.

00:27:32.420 The history of the Freedom Caucus, which you've been a main part of since the beginning of the Tea Party movement and the Freedom Caucus.

00:27:40.180 For those – you were the architect kind of this.

00:27:43.080 You were saying, hey, we've got to take out the cartel head, and then we're going to negotiate with the guy that follows on.

00:27:47.780 It turns out they gave so much, they were actually able to get the votes.

00:27:51.840 It slipped through our grasp.

00:27:52.980 We're the first to admit it.

00:27:53.840 We didn't get McCarthy.

00:27:55.560 But walk people through what we did get, and how do you actually make that work maybe even better than taking out the head of the swamp, sir?

00:28:05.500 Absolutely.

00:28:05.900 And we got to this point in the debate because of the war room posse and those across the country who get their signal from it, that the terms that McCarthy was willing to agree to were such that almost no other speaker would agree to.

00:28:20.980 In the amount of decentralization that would be given to conservatives and the rank-and-file and the member who are the exact opposite of the cartel.

00:28:30.900 They're the ones without the power.

00:28:32.740 And so this was an opportunity to have a paradigm-shifting result in how the House is operated.

00:28:39.640 And let me just go through the terms of what we're talking about.

00:28:42.580 The big three, in my mind, and the crown jewel, is that the Rules Committee, which is complicated, procedural, but in the House of Representatives, all major bills and amendments are approved and governed by the Rules Committee.

00:28:55.340 If you don't have that, then you have all sorts of other rules in the House that allow substantial debate, and you have real power.

00:29:04.240 But the Rules Committee will now be stocked with conservatives that will have the ability to stop a $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.

00:29:11.900 That day is over.

00:29:13.420 That day is now over as a result of the ability to have what I call an independent Rules Committee.

00:29:20.600 Steve, we haven't seen it since Sam Rayburn.

00:29:22.560 This is 60 years of the cartel building an apparatus of power in the speakership and the elected leader, and we have changed that as a result of the 20.

00:29:36.220 That is an enormous thing.

00:29:38.360 All of the terms of the policy agreements, and there are big ones.

00:29:41.680 They basically took the parameters of the budget that I've been putting forward and said, this is what we're doing in the House of Representatives.

00:29:48.740 And they're saying, we're going to go in that direction.

00:29:51.620 And the debt limit is going to be fought on that budget.

00:29:55.500 Now, how is that enforced?

00:29:56.720 That is enforced by the Rules Committee.

00:29:58.980 We'll not put a budget resolution on the floor controlled by House conservatives that does not meet a balanced budget's intent.

00:30:06.500 How does all the terms about who's on this committee or, you know, what this, you know, this thing needs to be passed in the first quarter, all of that is governed by a motion to vacate.

00:30:16.960 One member, Matt Gaetz, can go to the floor and say, we're going to have a vacate vote, a vote of no confidence in normal procedural speak.

00:30:26.740 We're going to have a vote of no confidence, and the 20 will be able to ride herd to make sure that the deal is enforced.

00:30:33.240 So people want to talk about how this thing is enforced.

00:30:36.120 It's enforced, built in with the Rules Committee, never had in 60 years, and the motion to vacate, which we now have back on the terms that Mark Meadows used it with John Boehner.

00:30:46.800 And here's the final takeaway.

00:30:48.400 And we also got Church Committee.

00:30:51.040 This is what coalitional government looks like now.

00:30:54.920 That's why this is so seminal, because we've been saying the HFC needs to be treated with respect procedurally, politically, and on the basis of policy, as if it is a partner in coalitional government.

00:31:08.000 That is now the case, and it would not have happened without the courage of the 20 and the grassroots MAGA movement that this show represents.

00:31:16.700 The mainstream media, here's the tale.

00:31:20.460 The mainstream media is saying this is the chaos caucus, that the war room and their audience and nothing but a bunch of nihilists, you could see this from Gates.

00:31:29.660 All they wanted to do was command by negation.

00:31:31.780 They don't have a positive plan.

00:31:33.500 How does this work?

00:31:34.720 And we know that if they hate it, it's got to be a good thing.

00:31:37.700 But walk our audience through how we actually enforce it.

00:31:39.960 I think a lot of people are saying, hey, look, these swamp guys are so, you know, the cartel is so smart, so powerful, so strong.

00:31:46.180 They may agree to all this, but at the end of the day, nothing will change.

00:31:50.600 What do we have to do, and this audience has to do, you and your organization and the House Freedom Caucus and Gates and Boebert and those members, what do they have to do to actually make sure we don't, after we roll them, we don't get rolled?

00:32:05.020 The first thing everyone needs to do is come alongside and thank the 20 and keep that 20 together as a group.

00:32:11.380 Just the way we look at things on TV and in real time with Twitter, there's going to be a tendency to say, well, there was the 6 and the 5 and the 13 that took the deal earlier.

00:32:22.040 No, no, no, no.

00:32:22.860 This is the 20 that got this done, and that 20 needs to be intact.

00:32:28.960 They need to be in fighting shape.

00:32:30.520 They need to be excited about what they just accomplished because they did achieve a transformational result, and they're the new coalitional government in Congress.

00:32:40.180 And the other members of the HFC that didn't join them are going to want to be a part of that as of right now.

00:32:45.720 So that's the first thing.

00:32:46.920 The second thing is we've got to stay plugged in because there will be upcoming votes about those House conservatives on the Rules Committee are going to now have real de jure authority power in the House,

00:33:02.740 and we're going to need to make sure that the terms of this agreement are being fought for on every given day, every given moment, and that can happen.

00:33:10.860 We just showed what it looks like, and we showed what they can do.

00:33:15.140 When you've got the grassroots saying the same thing as the House conservative members and the outside groups like ours,

00:33:21.660 when you have that triangle of influence, you can roll any cartel.

00:33:26.060 You really can.

00:33:26.880 And we've got to fill out that triangle of influence to roll the cartel on each and every one of these.

00:33:33.860 But here's the thing.

00:33:34.980 We've got the procedural policy and political high ground that we have never had before.

00:33:41.680 We're shooting down the hill.

00:33:43.400 They're coming up the hill as it pertains to their attempts to unravel this.

00:33:48.600 Now, this is what the Tea Party movement was formed and hoped to do before it got rolled, the Tea Party movement in the early stages,

00:33:55.320 because you had Pelosi, Boehner, and Ryan in a row.

00:33:58.600 It would have been – it was too big to grasp.

00:34:02.840 You know, you would have never gotten here.

00:34:04.260 You'd never gotten it.

00:34:05.080 That's why those 20 hanging together.

00:34:07.300 And remember, Charlie Dent said in the cold open at the beginning of the show,

00:34:09.880 the speaker's vote is supposed to be the easiest vote.

00:34:12.680 Every vote from here is going to be hard.

00:34:14.600 It's going to be tough.

00:34:15.420 And that's why we've got to hang together around the 20 who delivered this magnificent thing.

00:34:20.040 Russ, I also want to – later next week, I want to take that rules package.

00:34:23.220 They're coming back on Friday because a lot of our audience wants to get into the details.

00:34:27.180 What I want to do is either get you on the 6 o'clock show or maybe we do a webinar to explain to people.

00:34:32.400 It's a 12- or 15-page document.

00:34:34.720 But I want to make sure our audience, those that want to know and learn,

00:34:38.220 actually you walk them through the rules package and why this rules package is extraordinarily strong

00:34:43.220 for conservatives and for the House Freedom Caucus and for the MAGA movement.

00:34:47.800 Russ, I really appreciate it.

00:34:48.900 I know you had to take time away today, but just give us your closing thoughts and comments as we go into the weekend.

00:34:55.840 Paradigm shifting, opportunity, real change.

00:34:58.960 It's transformational.

00:35:00.060 We haven't seen a victory like this in 60 years.

00:35:02.760 Steve, when you talk about earmarked fans being a victory, it was a victory.

00:35:06.860 It has nothing compared to the real power to control the money flows and all of the priorities that are so important in the moment that we're in.

00:35:18.820 It's 11-59 in this country.

00:35:20.440 We're going to lose our country.

00:35:22.220 We've got to have real power as of this deal.

00:35:25.280 The conservatives and the House of Representatives and the MAGA world have that power.

00:35:28.440 By the way, you talk about the earmarks.

00:35:32.460 That's part of the deal.

00:35:33.260 That's like a footnote because there's so many other big things in it.

00:35:35.800 I also want to make sure people understand.

00:35:37.840 When we had Russ on here, I think before Christmas, when he presented on here exclusively his balanced budget,

00:35:43.180 these guys have worked on.

00:35:44.380 His balanced budget framework is part of the appropriations process going forward and everything we're doing, the debt ceiling.

00:35:52.440 A sine qua non, the basic template to get to a balanced budget is the work of Russ Vogt and his team over at the center,

00:36:00.040 which shows you that's a sea change.

00:36:02.480 Remember, Ralph Norman got involved in here because McCarthy blew him off the first time.

00:36:06.140 He says, I'm not going to support this balanced budget stuff.

00:36:08.660 What has changed in this deal right here, Russ Vogt, your balanced budget structure is the basic foundational element of the debt ceiling fight and all of it.

00:36:18.760 So that's extraordinary. It shows you what great work and how seriously they take you over at the center.

00:36:24.380 And also how powerful the Freedom Caucus and Gates and these guys are to put that in and say, hey, we've got to have this balanced budget or we're not going to do this.

00:36:32.280 Russ, how do they get to you, the center, how do they get to social media, how do they find out everything is going on, particularly over the weekend?

00:36:37.120 Because there's going to be a lot happening.

00:36:39.600 Yeah, book me the state budget.

00:36:41.020 And they give me an at Russ Vogt.

00:36:43.300 And the center is M-A-M Renew Center.

00:36:47.560 And we'd love to follow us and stay up to speed on what we're doing.

00:36:51.620 Appreciate the audience.

00:36:52.640 Yeah, Russ.

00:36:53.560 No, thank you, brother.

00:36:54.800 Really appreciate it.

00:36:56.920 One of the fighters, one of the architects of this whole thing to get it pulled off.

00:37:00.920 Remember, he was, hey, we got to take out.

00:37:03.100 We had to take out the cartel head.

00:37:05.820 Well, you know what?

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00:37:37.000 Okay, welcome back.

00:37:40.220 Make sure you're on Getter.

00:37:42.020 Over the weekend, we'll be doing live streams.

00:37:44.280 Constant updates on all the news.

00:37:46.760 It's totally free.

00:37:47.760 I can use it.

00:37:48.700 I put up all my stuff, and I'm an idiot.

00:37:50.560 So you can do it.

00:37:51.380 We also want to thank, somebody made a great clip already about a little technical issue.

00:37:54.860 You can't stop the war room.

00:37:56.320 I want to thank the staff in Denver, D.C., and, of course, in our mobile studio for making sure that happened.

00:38:04.620 Ben, it's very interesting.

00:38:06.800 You bring in, by the way, it's not important just to see.

00:38:09.960 It's important to see what you see.

00:38:12.020 The 150th anniversary of the French poet's birth.

00:38:15.800 Ben, correct me.

00:38:16.840 In the commercial break, you were actually, you're at the Vatican.

00:38:19.520 You were actually noticed by Italians.

00:38:21.400 You're going to be a celebrity.

00:38:22.360 Is this going to mean I'm going to have to give you a pay raise?

00:38:26.160 You need to get a larger piggy bank, Steve, to start putting those pennies in if I'm going to ask for a pay raise.

00:38:36.140 Now that really would be seeing something.

00:38:38.460 Talk about saying what you really would be seeing something on War Room Posse.

00:38:41.960 Talking of the War Room Posse, Steve, we have – I'll just interrupt myself again.

00:38:46.900 We have a very special blessing, a very holy, dedicated Christian, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.

00:38:55.220 That's on my feed, on my get-to feed.

00:38:56.800 I know you're going to be putting it out on yours a little later.

00:38:59.140 It'll be on the War Room account.

00:39:00.780 Posse and Lizio have already sent it out.

00:39:03.100 Very, very important concentration of what the issues are.

00:39:08.940 It's a New Year's blessing from His Excellency Archbishop Viganò.

00:39:13.180 And I would ask anybody who's listening, who's so minded, look at what he says.

00:39:18.500 And if you know somebody who's feeling a bit depressed in these dark times, send them that message so that they can see it.

00:39:26.120 Why?

00:39:26.900 Because we are engaged in the fight for the Judeo-Christian West.

00:39:30.940 This is the important thing, Steve.

00:39:31.940 This is why I'm here at the Vatican today.

00:39:34.460 This is why we're talking about the death of Pope Benedict and what that death represents.

00:39:39.020 And it's why we're always talking about the importance of coming together again here, really important, traditional Catholics and conservative evangelicals working together to try to restore these pillars that the haters of Western civilization have been rather successfully kicking down over recent decades.

00:39:59.580 So, with that said, Steve, I'd just like to talk about the importance of Pope Benedict and his death in the progress of the Church over the second half of the 20th century.

00:40:12.180 I mentioned it before.

00:40:13.060 I'll just give a quick summary.

00:40:14.340 There was this key ecclesiastical event with all the bishops of the world.

00:40:18.260 They came together between 1962 and 1965.

00:40:22.200 It was called the Second Vatican Council.

00:40:24.740 Now, I know that especially mainline Protestants had their own issues with liberal progressivism inside Christianity.

00:40:34.400 It's a corrosive rot.

00:40:35.820 It destroys the faith.

00:40:37.080 We've also seen this very successfully implemented inside the Second Vatican Council.

00:40:42.240 And what Pope Benedict tried to do was he tried to create a bridge between this core modernizing agenda and the traditional Catholic faith.

00:40:53.420 Now, obviously, that can't be done.

00:40:55.740 He gave up.

00:40:56.880 He resigned.

00:40:59.100 And with that passing, something very important has changed inside the Church, right?

00:41:04.300 What we no longer have, which is the situation under John Paul II, which was basically 50% was, let's call it, conservative, with air quotes, conservative conciliarism, which is the idea that the Second Vatican Council can be interpreted correctly.

00:41:19.880 So it's about a quarter of the Church as progressive and, I don't know, a little less than a quarter, as traditionalist minded.

00:41:28.740 What happened is that 50% of the Church that was before, that had a great devotion to John Paul II and later to Pope Benedict, that has gone now.

00:41:37.780 It is no longer sustainable under the current pontificate of Pope Francis to maintain that Second Vatican Council is orthodoxable.

00:41:45.700 You can make it orthodox with the direction of the Holy See.

00:41:50.000 So what we now have now is the Catholic Church splitting into two currents. 0.52

00:41:54.640 Progressivism, which wants a total rupture with the past, and traditionalism, which wants to go back to before the Second Vatican Council.

00:42:03.180 And what we're going to try and do, and this is just basically the opening introduction now of something that's going to be increasingly important to the Worms coverage,

00:42:10.740 is that we're going to build a bridge out, especially, as I say, to the conservative evangelicals,

00:42:16.120 because there's a genuine relationship here between traditional Catholics and evangelicals.

00:42:21.580 The psychopath behind me has gone on record saying that he doesn't like conservative Catholics working together with conservative evangelicals,

00:42:29.180 especially on the life issues, if you can believe that, that just shows you how far gone that man is.

00:42:36.540 All the more essential, therefore, that we find and that we rededicate ourselves to our faith,

00:42:42.320 and we work together to bring back the Christian basis of Western civilization.

00:42:48.860 And that is, if you look at the blessing that Archbishop Viganò has given us,

00:42:53.100 that is everything that the Worm is working on.

00:42:55.580 By the way, I want to thank Archbishop Viganò, I just put it up on mine, and Ben, your coverage.

00:43:01.060 I want to make sure people understand, the evangelical movement, and particularly in places of oppression,

00:43:06.240 like in Brazil now, under the rule of Lula, and also in China.

00:43:10.340 This is why Juan Xishan, the henchman for Xi, went to Brazil.

00:43:16.000 One of the things that, communists everywhere, they fear the Catholic Church,

00:43:19.840 but they, and particularly right now, fear the evangelizing fervor of evangelical Christianity.

00:43:28.280 It's a powerful force in this world, a powerful force in this world.

00:43:31.900 And that's why in Brazil, it's driving the situation in Brazil,

00:43:35.540 it's driving the situation with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:43:38.080 Ben, I've only got a minute.

00:43:39.000 How can people get to you, quite frankly, your getter feed, all of it, your live streams are incredible.

00:43:44.240 Beth, you're head of international, but you cover so much for us, the church,

00:43:47.120 you cover domestic politics here.

00:43:48.480 How do people get to you?

00:43:51.500 It's at Harnwell, simply my surname, at Harnwell on Getter.

00:43:55.340 If I could just add that tribute you just done,

00:43:57.460 the most important evangelical Christian leader in Europe is Victor Orban.

00:44:01.420 Without him, it would be curtains.

00:44:03.340 So everyone needs to keep him in their prayers and thoughts as well as Bolsonaro.

00:44:08.160 No, you see Orban, you see Bolsonaro.

00:44:11.040 These evangelical leaders are just absolutely incredible.

00:44:14.540 Hey, many of them are former Catholics, right? 0.52

00:44:17.160 We've got to, you know, a lot of times because of the progressive nature of what Francis and these guys did in the Second Vatican Council,

00:44:23.660 a lot of people thought they just didn't have the connection, personal relationship with Christ offered by the church.

00:44:29.160 And they went to evangelical Christianity, an amazingly powerful force in the world because it is the force of the living Christ.

00:44:35.900 Ben, thank you so much, particularly taking time away to go and do it live from the Vatican.

00:44:40.660 I really appreciate it, brother.

00:44:41.660 Talk to you over the weekend.

00:44:42.520 Thanks, Steve.

00:44:42.980 God bless.

00:44:43.320 Okay, we're going to have the combatants here on Monday.

00:44:47.080 We're going to get into this.

00:44:47.900 Remember, every day is a work day.

00:44:49.220 The rules package is going to be passed on Monday.

00:44:50.940 Plus, we're going to get Gates, Boebert, all of them on the show to explain exactly what happened in the way forward.

00:44:58.180 No days off in the war room.

00:44:59.920 Thank you.

00:45:00.240 See you back here at 10 a.m.

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Bannon's War Room - January 07, 2023

Episode 2427： What Is Left Moving Forward With The Freedom Caucus

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