Bannon's War Room - Episode 2467： The Pence Document Crisis

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:11.000 Here's the time I've got a free shot

00:00:12.000 at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:15.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:17.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:18.000 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:20.000 but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:00:22.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:25.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:27.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:32.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:36.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:42.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:00:51.000 Now, what I think a really interesting decision point for Attorney General Garland is,

00:00:56.000 is he going to need a special counsel in this case?

00:00:59.000 And that gets into the politics of it.

00:01:01.000 Because remember, the trigger for him appointing the special counsel

00:01:04.000 in former President Trump's case was former President Trump's announcement

00:01:07.000 that he's a candidate again.

00:01:09.000 President Biden is a presumptive candidate for president.

00:01:13.000 Where is Mike Pence in the political situation moving forward?

00:01:17.000 And how will that impact whether or not Attorney General Garland needs to cabin off this investigation,

00:01:23.000 just like the others?

00:01:26.000 Tuesday, 24 January, in the year of our Lord, 2023.

00:01:29.000 Thank you for joining us for the afternoon, early evening edition of War Room.

00:01:34.000 And we're really grateful that this morning's guest, Congressman Matt Gaetz,

00:01:38.000 was able to break away and join us for the first couple of segments.

00:01:41.000 And by the way, there's a pre-3 January Matt Gaetz in a post.

00:01:46.000 He is the hero.

00:01:47.000 Of course, this audience needs no introduction.

00:01:49.000 He's the hero.

00:01:50.000 Five days the change of the direction of the United States of America.

00:01:53.000 He was the chief strategist, the tactician, and really stood in a breach.

00:01:57.000 And what an incredible performance.

00:01:58.000 Talk about a man meeting a moment.

00:02:00.000 It was just amazing.

00:02:01.000 Congressman, you've got a lot of thoughts about the FBI situation,

00:02:05.000 but also breaking news today.

00:02:08.000 You can't make this up.

00:02:09.000 By the way, if we pitched this in Hollywood, we'd be thrown out of the room, right?

00:02:12.000 You agree?

00:02:13.000 We have so much to discuss from the indictment of the former FBI counterintelligence chief

00:02:19.000 in the New York field office to these documents that relate to my test.

00:02:23.000 The Daily Mail just tells me it's a small thing about sanctions.

00:02:27.000 Well, it's just a...

00:02:29.000 A wise man taught me once, catch the signal, not the noise.

00:02:32.000 And there's a lot of signal in the indictment.

00:02:34.000 And I want to go through it in maybe our second segment.

00:02:37.000 We've got to deal with this Mike Pence news right now.

00:02:40.000 And who you heard in that clip in the cold open, that was Kerry Cordero. 0.76

00:02:44.000 Now, former Department of Justice official, former official for the director of national

00:02:49.000 intelligence, currently on an advisory board in the Biden government for the Department

00:02:54.000 of Homeland Security.

00:02:56.000 And what she is saying is that whether or not Mike Pence gets a special counsel

00:03:01.000 is dependent on whether or not he announces that he is running for president.

00:03:06.000 Now, why does that matter?

00:03:07.000 I posited the theory on this morning's show that I believe the deep state is against Trump.

00:03:13.000 And I believe the deep state is against Biden.

00:03:16.000 I think that they prefer a different Democrat candidate and they prefer a different Republican

00:03:21.000 candidate.

00:03:22.000 And they know that in the field as we see it today, with a Trump, maybe Nikki Haley, maybe

00:03:28.000 Mike Pompeo, maybe Mike Pence.

00:03:31.000 You know, I certainly hope my governor, Ron DeSantis, wants to be my governor for another

00:03:34.000 two years.

00:03:35.000 But who knows?

00:03:36.000 Maybe DeSantis.

00:03:37.000 Right.

00:03:38.000 Mike Pence is someone who absorbs a healthy share of the Republican primary electorate vote,

00:03:43.000 maybe around 10, 11 percent.

00:03:45.000 And if he's not there, those votes don't go to President Trump.

00:03:50.000 Those votes would go to somebody else to challenge President Trump.

00:03:52.000 And so I believe that the signal that you are hearing from the deep state's mouthpieces

00:03:57.000 all over cable news today is sending a message to Mike Pence.

00:04:01.000 Don't announce for president.

00:04:02.000 Right.

00:04:03.000 Leave those votes on the table for someone else to coalesce and go against Trump.

00:04:06.000 Because she couldn't have been more brazen about it.

00:04:09.000 It was just straight.

00:04:10.000 It was like quid pro quo.

00:04:11.000 That was more of a quid pro quo than the Trump Zelensky call ever was.

00:04:14.000 It was a perfect phone call, right?

00:04:15.000 Yeah.

00:04:16.000 And so, I mean, I love-

00:04:17.000 If you're Mike Pence's lawyers, you're a pretty smart lawyer.

00:04:20.000 If you're Mike Pence's inner circle and his lawyers, what are they talking about right

00:04:24.000 now?

00:04:25.000 Well, right now, those folks have to consider the extent to which a candidacy is announced

00:04:30.000 impacts a prosecutorial decision.

00:04:31.000 Triggers. 1.00

00:04:32.000 And you know what?

00:04:33.000 I'm not a Mike Pence fan.

00:04:34.000 I've told you on this show, I think he's sometimes softer than the geese of sheets.

00:04:37.000 But at the same time, the deep state should not try to be getting Mike Pence out of the

00:04:42.000 race for president.

00:04:43.000 If Mike Pence wants to run for president, he should have the right to do so and to face

00:04:47.000 competition.

00:04:48.000 I know President Trump doesn't fear the competition.

00:04:50.000 And I thought it was really classy today that President Trump saw through this and he

00:04:55.000 didn't take the bait and he put messages out saying that Mike Pence would never do anything

00:05:00.000 purposefully wrong and that he thinks that this is all a bunch of nonsense, which it is.

00:05:04.000 That's the noise, not the signal.

00:05:06.000 The signal is they are working to coalesce against Biden and against Trump.

00:05:10.000 You don't think what about the argument that they're doing this because they want to dilute

00:05:14.000 the pressure on Biden right now?

00:05:16.000 If that were the case, they would have done it when they first got the Biden information

00:05:19.000 before they turned the heat up on Trump.

00:05:21.000 Right.

00:05:22.000 That would have been the smart decision.

00:05:23.000 Right.

00:05:24.000 If if Ron Klain were staying as the chief of staff in the White House, that actually would

00:05:27.000 have been the call that they would have made.

00:05:29.000 That's kind of move you say.

00:05:30.000 Right.

00:05:31.000 But but but here Klain knew he was on his way out.

00:05:34.000 They knew they wanted to saddle Biden with this problem.

00:05:36.000 And the basics of crisis communications, even according to David Axelrod, you get to where

00:05:41.000 the crisis is going and the story is going as fast as possible.

00:05:45.000 And here they sat on it to let the momentum build to get Biden out there in these interviews

00:05:51.000 saying that Trump was so irresponsible.

00:05:54.000 And then lo and behold, they're going to try to knock out Trump, knock out Biden.

00:05:59.000 And, you know, Pence is just like a pawn, a casualty in all of this.

00:06:02.000 I would suggest if Mike Pence wants to run for president, thinks he's the best person

00:06:05.000 for the job.

00:06:06.000 He should not consider this one bit in his deliberations.

00:06:10.000 If he wants to run, he should run and he shouldn't let this stand in his way.

00:06:13.000 He shouldn't, even if they're going to put a special counsel on it and maybe indict him.

00:06:17.000 Well, look, I mean, the tell on this as to whether or not all of a sudden our nation is,

00:06:21.000 has used as its organizing principle that resolving disputes with the archivist over

00:06:26.000 presidential records act.

00:06:27.000 Like if that is the rock upon which we're going to build our church, you'll know it when

00:06:31.000 they go after Obama and you'll know it when they go after Bush, two people who were absolutely

00:06:37.000 aligned with the deep state on a lot of issues, whether it was expanding their capabilities

00:06:41.000 and authorities continuing to fight their endless wars.

00:06:44.000 And so, you know, Obama and Bush were very much like the, the, the prized golden geese

00:06:50.000 of, of the deep state.

00:06:51.000 They just kept laying golden eggs.

00:06:53.000 The yin and the yang.

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 And you know what?

00:06:56.000 Probably they would have been willing to ride with Biden if they didn't see that he was

00:06:58.000 so addled at this point in his presidency that he likely wouldn't be a very serious candidate

00:07:03.000 and a vast majority of the people in his own party don't even want him to run again.

00:07:07.000 And so I think this is a very dangerous time for our country.

00:07:10.000 I did not like seeing the abuses of the national security state used against President Trump.

00:07:15.000 And I think it's, it's a bad thing that we have probably lived in our last election where

00:07:21.000 the national security apparatus doesn't have their thumb on the scale in some way, whether

00:07:25.000 it's for or against particular candidates or even as you just heard Kerry Cordero talk

00:07:30.000 about shaping the presidential field.

00:07:34.000 Um, you think they're this brazen that because they believe they're in trouble and they believe

00:07:39.000 we're coming for them.

00:07:40.000 They seen what we've done in the house.

00:07:41.000 They think they, the weaponization of government, uh, investigative committee, the new church

00:07:46.000 committee, is that dangerous?

00:07:47.000 Is that's right?

00:07:48.000 Because they're making moves now that don't have the subtlety of the past correctly.

00:07:52.000 These are pretty in your face.

00:07:54.000 They, they are.

00:07:55.000 And when I am with these folks in classified briefings, there is so much moral preening,

00:08:02.000 right?

00:08:03.000 They are the smart ones.

00:08:04.000 They are the great protectors.

00:08:06.000 They are the ones that ensure that the rest of us get to stay safe.

00:08:09.000 And we're lucky that they're smart enough to seek the authorities, to engage in mass surveillance,

00:08:15.000 to then be so bold as to lie about it before Congress, as James Clapper did.

00:08:20.000 And to accuse president Trump of being a Russian agent, as Eric Swalwell did, as Adam Schiff

00:08:28.000 did when he said they had more than circumstantial evidence.

00:08:31.000 And now to learn that one of the very people involved in the act in the, in the investigation

00:08:38.000 into Trump was himself a Russian agent.

00:08:40.000 Hang on.

00:08:41.000 James, it says we've, they, they say it's just a sanctions.

00:08:44.000 This is just something dealing with sanctions that he's, he's, he's overplayed.

00:08:48.000 He's not followed the rules about Russian sanctions, right?

00:08:52.000 Well, so, so.

00:08:53.000 Of course he was arrested over the weekend, which we didn't know about.

00:08:56.000 Another thing that we'd only found about on, uh, after the work week, he didn't see

00:09:00.000 the CNN there for his arrest.

00:09:02.000 Oh yeah, obviously.

00:09:03.000 And one has to wonder whether or not that aligns with the Penn story in some way.

00:09:08.000 Here's what you need to know about the indictment.

00:09:10.000 And I've, I've gone through it with a first glance, but I'm going to get through it in

00:09:14.000 even more detailed review.

00:09:15.000 But yes, in the specific allegations about money laundering and about conspiracy and about

00:09:23.000 violations of sanctions, there's a real focus on McGonagall's time after he has left the

00:09:30.000 employee of the FBI.

00:09:31.000 But if you go into the general allegations.

00:09:33.000 Because that's the pitch they're making.

00:09:34.000 This is after, after the guy was an integral part of the investigation of Trump afterwards,

00:09:39.000 only in 18 and beyond, right?

00:09:41.000 This indictment does so much work to try to cast the corrupt and illegal actions of a former

00:09:48.000 counterintelligence FBI chief to be after his employment.

00:09:52.000 But there are buried leads in this indictment in the general allegations.

00:09:56.000 If you go to page seven of the indictment, paragraph 12, you start to see that while McGonagall

00:10:04.000 was working for the federal government, he worked to get an associate of Deripaska's daughter

00:10:11.000 a special internship at the NYPD.

00:10:14.000 So, so the person he ends up working for later, taking illegal money from later, he's

00:10:19.000 already getting his future boss's daughter a sweetheart internship at the NYPD and goes

00:10:25.000 and tells the folks at the NYPD he needs this internship for counterintelligence reasons.

00:10:30.000 How does he, but that in and of itself, how can you possibly do that without reporting

00:10:35.000 that up the chain of command, that you're going to make some sort of effort in some

00:10:38.000 sort of contact where you're going to try to do this guy a favor?

00:10:40.000 Well, we're going to learn the extent to which that information was transmitted and

00:10:45.000 the extent to which these deals were off the books.

00:10:47.000 But we know at some point they get off the books because we also have a circumstance

00:10:52.000 laid out in the indictment where McGonagall gets his buddy to set up a shell corporation

00:10:58.000 in New Jersey.

00:11:00.000 That shell corporation later takes money from the Russian oligarchs apparatus to try to

00:11:06.000 manipulate sanctions, to engage in influence.

00:11:09.000 But here's the tell.

00:11:10.000 The shell corporation to do the corrupt acts was set up while McGonagall was still working

00:11:15.000 at the FBI.

00:11:16.000 Oh, that's the biggest tell in the world.

00:11:18.000 That means he was plotting this when he was a, when he was an active agent.

00:11:21.000 Well, and if he was plotting it, you have to believe that there, there was some degree of influence.

00:11:26.000 Maybe it was not the same degree of influence to get McGonagall to go and do the sanctions work.

00:11:30.000 But what if it was just to redirect some resources and some counterintelligence

00:11:34.000 investigations?

00:11:35.000 What if it was just to make sure that certain investigations never got opened?

00:11:39.000 What if it was a way to resolve some investigations on terms that were good for

00:11:43.000 Deripaska or other Russian oligarchs?

00:11:46.000 You see, this is why the Judiciary Committee has to review this immediately and that this

00:11:51.000 is more important than whatever's in Joe Biden's glove compartment of his convertible.

00:11:56.000 Because you may have actual threats to national security that exist now because the FBI that

00:12:03.000 was accusing Russia or Trump of being a Russian agent was compromised, compromised abroad,

00:12:08.000 corrupted at home.

00:12:09.000 I want to go back to that for a second, but here's what I want to get.

00:12:12.000 A guy that's sophisticated, this is not, they're trying to say he had a small role.

00:12:15.000 This is not a grunde.

00:12:17.000 Most of the counterintelligence happens in New York, not in DC, correct?

00:12:20.000 I mean, that's, that's where the serious.

00:12:22.000 New York is one of the counterintelligence nodes of the entire universe.

00:12:26.000 Geneva and New York City, right?

00:12:28.000 Okay.

00:12:29.000 How do sophisticated guys not understand that every transaction through the SWIFT system

00:12:36.000 and, you know, politically exposed people, et cetera, they're monitoring nonstop every

00:12:40.000 financial transaction.

00:12:41.000 How do they, when you read this, part of it's Keystone Cops, right?

00:12:45.000 How, how does a sophisticated guy running counterintelligence not know that?

00:12:49.000 Well, what you see here is the utilization of friends and family members to create business

00:12:55.000 organizations that then are illegally laundering money.

00:12:58.000 But at arm's length.

00:12:59.000 So you can't, you can't directly connect it to, to, to him.

00:13:02.000 Well, in these cases, some of the dots are connected and you're able to see those corrupt

00:13:08.000 actions manifesting while this person is not just in the employ of the FBI, but as a senior

00:13:14.000 counterintelligence official already doing favors for these oligarchs, already setting

00:13:19.000 up business organizations that would accept illicit cash.

00:13:23.000 And there's another feature of the tradecraft here because everybody watches the war room

00:13:27.000 to build tradecraft and to understand tradecraft.

00:13:30.000 But right after McGonigal leaves employee of the FBI, he goes to work for a law firm and

00:13:35.000 they start to set up the financial transfers through the law firm where the law firm would

00:13:40.000 get 150,000 a month, 25,000 would come back to McGonigal.

00:13:45.000 So how this happens every day in Washington, DC and New York, how corrupt activity with

00:13:52.000 people connected to the national security apparatus, utilize the legal and financial

00:13:57.000 elite to accomplish their objectives.

00:13:59.000 The law firms, what I call the democratic Illuminati to, to get things done.

00:14:03.000 Okay.

00:14:04.000 We're taking a short break, but when we come back, you say we could have a bigger national

00:14:08.000 security and as big as the Biden thing is right now, you think Jordan judiciary, the

00:14:13.000 focus right here has got to be on this immediately, right?

00:14:16.000 Because this shows you may have a compromised FBI.

00:14:19.000 I want the answer.

00:14:20.000 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:14:21.000 Congressman Matt Gaetz joins us.

00:14:23.000 Tons of breaking news this afternoon.

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00:14:30.000 We're going to return a short commercial break.

00:14:32.000 We'll return back to the war in just a moment.

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00:16:05.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:13.000 Here's what we know as a consequence of this revelation today.

00:16:17.000 Our FBI is corrupted by political interests domestically and compromised by foreign interests financially.

00:16:26.000 That is how you have to evaluate the national security state right now.

00:16:30.000 And my colleague, Dan Bishop, had a very good idea that we have to break up the FBI and put FBI agents who are patriotic Americans all over this country, not under the spell and the guise of some head shed at the J. Edgar Hoover building, but instead under the jurisdiction of the U.S.

00:16:48.000 U.S.

00:16:49.000 Attorneys who are confirmed by the Senate.

00:16:50.000 Pretty dramatic, Tony.

00:16:51.000 Got a lot of, got a lot of attention.

00:16:53.000 Why is this?

00:16:55.000 Because of no coincidences.

00:16:57.000 Why is this dropping?

00:16:58.000 Does this bomb shove at the FBI?

00:17:00.000 Why is this dropping in the middle of a Biden revelation, particularly about Hunter Biden now, the laptop, maybe classified information going to him and Mike Pence?

00:17:09.000 Why is this dropping?

00:17:10.000 I would turn the question to you, Steve.

00:17:11.000 Why?

00:17:12.000 Why now?

00:17:13.000 Why is it dropped now?

00:17:14.000 There's something quite fishy about the timing.

00:17:16.000 They knew they could have dropped this how many months ago?

00:17:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:19.000 Given what you've read on your first cut at this, they had this information that could have dropped this, you would agree, several months ago.

00:17:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:28.000 This is information that was in a sealed indictment that has now just come unsealed.

00:17:31.000 This is my point.

00:17:32.000 The sealed indictment, why do you make today when you could have done it, when you could have done it otherwise?

00:17:37.000 Because you're making a case that on a scale from one to ten on your efforts around the national security state, the administrative state or the deep state, one being, hey, normal course of business, ten being full stop on everything.

00:17:51.000 Where does this fall?

00:17:52.000 Well, I think that this is critically important because it showcases that if you ever want real accountability for the real bad guys, it's very difficult to achieve at a time when the Department of Justice and the FBI are subject to foreign influences that are illicit and domestic influences that are abjectly political.

00:18:14.000 And this is connected.

00:18:16.000 I would view this right alongside some of the whistleblowers who've come forward to say that information about Hunter Biden was purposefully degraded so as to not allow investigations to advance.

00:18:28.000 Because, I mean, I got to tell you, in my more than half a decade here in Congress, my biggest revelation in life is that the FBI Department of Justice aren't always the good guys.

00:18:38.000 I really believe that when I ran for this job and then I saw what they were willing to do because they did not like Donald Trump and they thought it was righteous to fight against the changes that he was bringing as a result of his election to the presidency.

00:18:52.000 And so whether it's taking information and changing it, as we saw an FBI lawyer do during the Russia hoax, whether it's degrading intelligence information that's bad for the Bidens or in this case, whether it's literally having a person who is involved in the Trump-Russia hoax later emerge as an agent of the Russian government, it all works together.

00:19:16.160 Because the biggest question I get when I'm out in the country, folks say, how come nobody ever goes to jail for this?

00:19:22.480 How come there's no accountability?

00:19:23.820 We see what they do to conservatives and Republicans.

00:19:27.080 And the truth is no member of Congress can put handcuffs on anybody.

00:19:31.640 We can't initiate any criminal charge.

00:19:33.720 All we can do is use our oversight power to get the truth out and we can use the power of the purse to constrain their authority.

00:19:39.880 And Nancy Pelosi, with a dead hand, gave the national security apparatus so much money to weaponize their powers against our people. 0.95

00:19:49.200 And so that's why we have to get this information.

00:19:50.960 I want to go back to this inflection point because even in the troubled history of the FBI with why the Church Commission was set up for their aspect of it, the incompetence and overreach for the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, what happened during the Kennedy administration, and then later with Hansen.

00:20:07.160 When Hansen came up about the Russian agents, no one's ever said, you know, domestically there's been problems and not just pressures but overreach and real problems.

00:20:16.640 And even in their incompetence in 9-11, but no one's ever said what you just said, which is a combination of compromise by foreign governments and domestic politics.

00:20:29.820 That's a lethal combination.

00:20:31.240 They've never been accused of both of those.

00:20:32.900 I just want to make sure we go back because this is a major inflection point.

00:20:35.040 Well, that's what they're accusing themselves of.

00:20:36.260 I mean that's no longer a disputed point.

00:20:39.000 And it's not like they're going to be –

00:20:40.100 Hansen did take money.

00:20:41.480 I mean Hansen, which Angleton searched for and never could find.

00:20:44.720 Hansen was the FBI guy, right?

00:20:46.220 Aldrich was the CIA.

00:20:47.720 Hansen was the FBI.

00:20:48.620 But even at that time, there was no accusation that the Soviets actually had a deeply embedded or deeply had a deep foreign influence into the FBI overall.

00:21:00.660 You're saying this is systemic, not just a bad guy.

00:21:03.180 I have seen it in the eyes of some of these people that we have questioned in private and in public.

00:21:09.000 And they believe they ought to be more powerful than all the countries.

00:21:12.660 They believe that it's up to them to decide, does Russia win today?

00:21:16.800 Does the United States win?

00:21:18.640 And when we go as the Congress and give them these exquisite authorities to be able to gather intelligence on people, to be able to make searchable databases that can be accessed by tens of thousands of these types of folks. 0.96

00:21:33.640 And like we're not idiots. 0.86

00:21:35.100 We don't think that they tried this once. 0.99

00:21:37.060 It succeeded and then they never tried it again.

00:21:39.140 What you're seeing in the McGonagall case is pattern recognition over a great deal of time.

00:21:47.640 There's been an influence purchasing and an influence peddling operation that the FBI has been highly susceptible to.

00:21:53.980 This guy wasn't in the civil enforcement division.

00:21:57.680 This guy wasn't in the drug division.

00:21:59.960 This is someone who specialized on Russia, was targeted by Russia, and that's why we're going to be demanding that Chris Wray provide answers as to what we're doing to be more resilient to this.

00:22:12.120 And I don't think we're doing nearly enough.

00:22:13.820 You think he used this as a cover ongoing investigation Mr. Gates can't talk about it?

00:22:16.960 Well, I think that in a lot of ways, this indictment shows what they're investigating and what they're not investigating.

00:22:24.640 And what seems to not be given sufficient focus in this indictment is the time where McGonagall was working for the United States and was in this senior leadership position as a counterintelligence official.

00:22:36.800 So we're really going to probably leave to the judicial process analyzing McGonagall 2018 and forward.

00:22:44.600 But before that, there should be a treasure trove of oversight to do.

00:22:49.320 And we need to know if we need to change laws regarding how the screening process is initiated, how we monitor the susceptibility of some of these officials to corrupt foreign influence.

00:23:00.440 The whole story will come out over time.

00:23:02.140 But you, on these five days that changed the country, you were the master architect.

00:23:06.440 You give me too much credit.

00:23:07.540 There are a lot of folks involved.

00:23:08.400 No, no, a hero.

00:23:09.880 But I'm saying about thinking it through early on.

00:23:12.460 So you took on the cartel full on and wouldn't back off.

00:23:18.480 OK, now this is the national security, deep state, whatever you want to call it.

00:23:23.900 You just made a comment at the beginning that they are now actively trying to, if not influence directly the election, mold the field to their to something that's acceptable to them.

00:23:35.740 You're talking about a Praetorian Guard that is clearly, according to you, is now out of control and working with or somehow has foreign influence in it.

00:23:46.680 What then is your strength?

00:23:47.700 You've taken on the cartel.

00:23:49.440 What's your strategy to work with Jim Jordan's others to take this on?

00:23:52.740 And you have to do it now because 2024 is upon us and these guys are not going to stop.

00:23:57.660 Well, one of the things we needed was more resources, and that's why this special select subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee on the weaponization of the government will have the same or more resources than the January 6th committee had.

00:24:10.680 That was the specific commitment that we got from Speaker McCarthy during those days that you referenced.

00:24:16.160 And so, you know, muscling up our investigative effort has certainly a part of it.

00:24:21.920 But issue spotting is going to be important.

00:24:23.980 I think that, look, if these documents that Biden had have to do with China, Katie, bar the door.

00:24:28.920 But if it's like, you know, some briefing he got on some Central African dictator, you know, when he was a senator or vice president.

00:24:35.380 What about if it revolves around Ukraine?

00:24:37.900 Well, if it revolves around Hunter Biden's business activities, then you have a smoking gun for influence peddling and access to information and treason, frankly.

00:24:48.420 You would have a pretty ironclad case for treason in that case for Joe Biden and potentially associates of his and potentially family members of his.

00:24:57.780 But I don't want to prejudge that, and we don't have any information to suggest that that is true.

00:25:02.140 We're hypothesizing the different potential outcome sets here.

00:25:05.400 And if one of the outcome sets is these documents aren't all that relevant in the modern world, then I think that we ought to be far more interested in the infrastructure that owns Joe Biden, that controls Joe Biden, and that might be interested in dispensing with Joe Biden.

00:25:22.580 I mean, if we make this all about Joe Biden and they shit can the guy and we end up with Gavin Newsom, you know, I mean, will that have been a good use of our time?

00:25:29.640 We got played real quickly. 0.97

00:25:31.080 I know you've been at the lead of this, although you represent one of the most pro-military parts of the country, Pensacola Naval Air Stations down there in the Navy base.

00:25:39.400 You've been at the forefront of Ukraine.

00:25:41.760 We don't have unlimited resources.

00:25:43.960 Since the five days of Change America, one of the big things is either limit the money and or audits.

00:25:49.820 We've got to know where it's going.

00:25:51.320 Give me your perspective.

00:25:52.600 We've got about a minute or so.

00:25:53.560 Give me your perspective of what's happened.

00:25:55.080 All of a sudden, audits and no corruption, zero tolerance from Zelensky.

00:25:58.840 Is that a random event?

00:25:59.900 Yes.

00:26:00.120 So weird that, right, as Republicans get in charge and start demanding audits and review of what we've already sent, now Zelensky is an anti-corruption warrior.

00:26:08.560 Zero tolerance.

00:26:09.260 Zero tolerance, right?

00:26:10.380 And here's what we know.

00:26:12.660 Throughout human history, people have improved on corrupt circumstances.

00:26:16.680 We hope that's the case.

00:26:17.580 But we also know that there are times accusations of corruption to cover up other corruption.

00:26:22.740 So we should not take this as an article of faith.

00:26:24.700 And guess what?

00:26:25.260 We have U.S. laws that require us to monitor the end-to-end delivery of U.S. materiel into a war zone.

00:26:32.780 And I do not believe that we are compliant with those laws.

00:26:35.800 I believe we have trusted the Ukrainians far too much to make attestations. 1.00

00:26:39.660 And some of those Ukrainians are getting fired now by Zelensky.

00:26:42.680 So how clownish does our DOD look for trusting them? 0.71

00:26:45.280 And fleeing the country.

00:26:46.480 Real quickly, how do they get to the podcast?

00:26:48.140 How do they get to all your content and your social media?

00:26:50.040 My podcast is called Firebrand.

00:26:51.600 We're everywhere on the Internet, and I'm at Matt Gaetz and at Rep. Matt Gaetz.

00:26:54.700 By the way, the podcast is a must-watch, listen-to.

00:26:58.820 We know everybody in D.C. is doing it.

00:27:00.480 Congressman, thank you so much.

00:27:01.680 And I've got to tell you, this is explosive.

00:27:03.180 Look forward to having you back on.

00:27:04.200 I know for your schedule to carve out time to call over here is just fantastic.

00:27:07.740 No, good to be here.

00:27:08.500 We've got to get this information out.

00:27:09.860 Oh, no, we're going to push this out.

00:27:11.560 We had a great show this morning, push it out.

00:27:13.380 Okay, we've got Boris coming up.

00:27:15.320 We've got Jack Posobiec going to join us in the 6 o'clock hour.

00:27:19.440 We've got the Children's Health Defense, and we've got Naomi Wolf.

00:27:22.580 Everything about the vaccine now, it's going to be annual.

00:27:25.200 You're going to hear all the background to that.

00:27:27.220 Also, we have Congressman Matt Rosendale is going to join us, one of the Lions, one of the – what is it? 0.79

00:27:33.380 The hard six, the six, the magnificent six that Congressman Gaetz pulled together.

00:27:38.420 Okay, short commercial break.

00:27:39.620 We'll come back.

00:27:40.120 We've got Boris and Jack Posobiec in the war room.

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00:30:13.600 Boris, a lot going on.

00:30:14.720 A couple things.

00:30:15.700 We've got Pence.

00:30:16.480 We've got the FBI.

00:30:17.560 And we have this new blowout poll for President Trump.

00:30:21.740 And it's not the Harvard poll.

00:30:23.140 An additional poll has come out.

00:30:24.400 I want to go first.

00:30:26.420 Any thoughts on this Mike Pence situation, sir?

00:30:30.860 Steve, honored to be with you.

00:30:32.240 Honored to be with the posse.

00:30:33.160 Very interesting day today.

00:30:34.780 President Trump truiting out about Vice President Pence calling him a, quote-unquote, good man and saying that he should be left alone.

00:30:43.600 Here's what is interesting about the Pence situation.

00:30:45.440 What it proves without a doubt is that in terms of White House documents, the DOJ has no business in being deeply involved.

00:30:58.200 And it appears that if you look at most presidents and vice presidents, you're going to have some sort of remnants of documents that are remaining when they leave office.

00:31:10.640 Now, having said that, that doesn't mean that Joe Biden doesn't have major problems because his problems stem from intent.

00:31:17.080 Why were the documents kept?

00:31:18.920 His problems also stem from the kind of documents.

00:31:21.080 From what we understand, Joe Biden kept literally intelligence, T-S-S-C-I intelligence documents.

00:31:26.520 And then beyond that, the fact that Biden filed documents from the Senate, that is a huge problem because in no way does the PRA or any applicable law cover senators who have no business taking documents, taking security, sensitive, or classified documents out of the sketch.

00:31:44.900 By the way, we have to have an answer immediately, too, on this Hunter Biden situation, because that was obviously a highly classified briefing that Biden had that Hunter Biden sent to a business associate and then was disseminated broadly.

00:31:59.600 So we've got to get to the bottom of that.

00:32:01.360 What about the timing of the FBI?

00:32:02.580 I just had Congressman Gates on here.

00:32:04.300 This indictment looks like it could have been dropped any time.

00:32:06.260 It looks like it came off a sealed indictment.

00:32:08.040 Why has Pence dropped today and why did the FBI drop yesterday, sir?

00:32:12.180 Well, the only way on, no, no conspiracies, no quiffiduses.

00:32:17.440 The only thing to understand is that there's now an attempt by law enforcement to regain some sort of credibility.

00:32:23.980 And that's why they're dropping this on McGoy and on yesterday, the top FBI officials in the in the in the New York field office, who literally was the touchstone for the Russia investigation, now arrested for that, that, that, colluding with Russia and Russian oligarchs.

00:32:40.380 Today, you've got the information on Pence dropping.

00:32:43.680 The only way to read it is that there's some sort of an attempt by law enforcement because they've been so ridiculed and so badly crushed to regain some sort of credibility.

00:32:55.720 But it's frankly not working because what we see now from the way that Biden's been treated and let's be honest, even from the way that Vice President Pence has been treated, is that they have they have absolutely been deranged and attacking President Trump.

00:33:11.980 That break in and raid of President Trump's home looks more and more unconstitutional and illegal just the way we put it on August 8th, 2022, when it happened.

00:33:22.320 President Trump was again right in saying that the DOJ, the FBI had no business raiding his home, breaking into his home over a doctorate dispute where he said loud and clear, let us know if there's anything else you need.

00:33:34.660 Emerson, Emerson, Emerson has a poll that just came out.

00:33:40.140 It's a blowout number.

00:33:41.620 Trump at 50, what, at 53, 55, DeSantis, 29, 55, DeSantis, 29, you add up everybody else.

00:33:50.060 They're not close to Trump combined.

00:33:52.960 Tell me about that poll, sir.

00:33:54.440 President Trump dominating.

00:33:57.340 President Trump is the leader this country wants.

00:34:00.800 He presents the toughness this country needs.

00:34:03.360 And he is the only person to get us back on track.

00:34:06.560 In America, people realize that.

00:34:07.820 There's no doubt about it.

00:34:08.700 So that poll also polled him versus Joe Biden, a seven-point swing in the president's favor where he's now leading Biden by three points.

00:34:16.720 And then beyond that, you look at a Harvard Harris poll just last week, President Trump leading Biden by five and Kamala Harris by eight.

00:34:23.860 President Trump is dominating.

00:34:26.220 The videos are going viral, and the world has been a huge part of that.

00:34:29.620 His message is cutting through, and that message is of an effort of toughness, strength on the border, strength on the economy, strength on national security, and not letting our country be sold down the river.

00:34:41.200 Beyond that, hey, no two ways about it.

00:34:43.760 There's a disaster for Joe Biden on the document.

00:34:46.420 And the fact that he and his team absolutely obstructed and absolutely misrepresented is pure and an adulterated mess for Biden, and it shows just how strong President Trump and his team are.

00:34:59.060 How do people follow you, Boris?

00:35:03.180 Good.

00:35:03.560 Thanks so much.

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00:35:15.420 Stay strong.

00:35:16.120 God bless, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.

00:35:19.300 Boris, thank you very much.

00:35:20.200 Let's go to Jack Posovic from Human Events Daily, also the wingman for Charlie Kirk.

00:35:24.940 Look, Jack, I've got to ask you, there's so much breaking news around these investigations.

00:35:30.020 The executive secretary of Joe Biden, tell me about her.

00:35:34.340 Tell me about what we know.

00:35:35.460 She's lawyered up with one of the biggest defense lawyers in town. 0.87

00:35:38.220 We want to make sure we make all these people famous.

00:35:40.300 She's going to be a major person in this entire drama.

00:35:45.300 Who is she and why is she important? 0.56

00:35:47.440 Look, Steve, what we need to understand here, what everyone needs to understand, not only the executive secretary level,

00:35:53.320 but also through the White House at all.

00:35:55.440 So when I came on here two years ago, I explained that there was a shade war going on between the Kamala Harris faction and the Joe Biden faction.

00:36:03.480 That has shifted because the rug has been pulled out from under their feet.

00:36:08.260 The bottom has fallen out of the Biden administration, and the White House has now turned into a battle royale.

00:36:15.040 The establishment's coming in and now maintaining order.

00:36:18.900 They're getting rid of the chief of staff.

00:36:20.680 Ron Klain, gone.

00:36:21.900 He was the longest serving Joe Biden, true believer.

00:36:26.060 He's out.

00:36:27.100 Who are they putting in?

00:36:28.060 They're putting in their buddy from Bain Capital, Jeff Zanes.

00:36:32.560 So Jeff Zanes is coming in and Bain Capital, just like all these other firms, and you know as well as I do, Steve,

00:36:37.360 they got a couple of guys on the D column and a couple of guys in the R column.

00:36:40.960 So Mitt Romney's the R.

00:36:42.440 This guy's over on the D side.

00:36:43.920 He worked with Obama.

00:36:44.900 He worked with Hillary.

00:36:46.040 He comes in now and he's going to quote unquote right the ship.

00:36:49.260 This is the Uniparty coming in to box out Joe Biden and Kamala Harris of their own administration and clear the decks for the arrival of Gavin Newsom.

00:37:02.320 When you talk about Shade War has now become a battle royale, where does the administrative state in the deep state come into this?

00:37:11.440 Have they chosen a side or are they – Matt Gaetz thinks that they're trying to form the field right now.

00:37:16.300 You see this in the Pence situation.

00:37:17.880 Completely agree.

00:37:18.460 Let's go through your assessment of the deep state.

00:37:20.580 Look, we went through this yesterday on Human Events Daily.

00:37:23.680 I know the congressman has occasionally mentioned that he listens to the show, so I don't know if he was listening to me or he just came to that formulation from his own sources.

00:37:32.120 But that's exactly what I think is going on here.

00:37:34.500 Steve, understand, the classified document scandals that are going on right now, the reason that you're seeing it happening to people like Trump, like Biden, Hunter Biden is probably going to be wrapped into this.

00:37:48.780 Of course, you got Mike Pence now.

00:37:50.740 But, of course, Mike Pence – I don't even think Mike Pence is his own wife's first choice for a top candidate.

00:37:55.820 But what you're seeing is – what you're seeing is the administrative state coming in and reminding the American people who's really in charge.

00:38:04.900 They're coming in and saying, you're not in charge.

00:38:07.720 Your leaders aren't in charge.

00:38:09.000 Your elected leaders aren't in charge.

00:38:10.400 It's us.

00:38:11.140 We'll tell you who you're allowed to vote for.

00:38:16.080 You're a former naval intelligence officer.

00:38:18.600 Given what you've seen in this FBI situation, do you think the FBI – and we didn't even argue this when Hansen was exposed back in the 80s – do you think the FBI has been compromised?

00:38:30.840 Not just the individual.

00:38:31.960 Do you think there may be systemic compromise of the FBI by a foreign government, sir?

00:38:38.340 Steve, you've got this all over Washington, D.C.

00:38:41.420 If you think it's just the FBI, you haven't been paying attention.

00:38:43.980 You've got Iranian compromise all over the State Department.

00:38:46.500 You've got the CCP all over DIA and elements throughout the IC that they've got people in there.

00:38:53.140 In fact, at one point during the Trump administration, the CCP was recruiting members of the DIA who were part of the hashtag anti-Trump resistance to come and work as CCP agents for them.

00:39:04.780 So this idea that we've got FBI agents and FBI officials that are double-dipping, I mean, this has been going on for a long time within our United States national security agencies.

00:39:13.820 That's why the entire thing – and, Steve, you and I have talked about this – the whole thing should be uprooted, rod and stern, and you need to go with the full church committee to decide what we are going to do with our national security state because we are supposed to be a country with an intelligence community, not the other way around.

00:39:32.320 Last thing, where's your reporting going on this?

00:39:36.760 At Human Events Daily and with Charlie Kirk, you guys have been ahead of the curve here.

00:39:40.400 Where's your reporting going on this?

00:39:42.680 Look, where we're going is we're seeing that Joe Biden, they're putting him out to pasture.

00:39:46.420 Kamala Harris, they're shoving her back in the barn. 1.00

00:39:48.880 They want Gavin Newsom in, Mike Pence.

00:39:51.660 He's getting kind of like a slap on the wrist. 0.99

00:39:53.400 But, of course, Mike Pence sort of self-reported because he's a dork. 0.97

00:39:56.540 And, you know, I wasn't in the room alone with a woman in those classified documents. 0.98

00:40:00.960 No, not me.

00:40:02.460 He'll be in his punishment closet later today.

00:40:05.440 But, Steve, what we need to understand, what we need to understand is that there's only one candidate, only one man in American politics that for 35 years has been standing up to the globalists in the establishment of a worldwide global order, and that man is Donald J. Trump.

00:40:21.980 Jack Posobiec, how do people get to you, the podcast, all your social media?

00:40:26.340 What are your coordinates?

00:40:27.180 Yeah, of course, Twitter, Getter, Telegram, at Jack Posobiec.

00:40:29.940 You can find us there, of course, 10 p.m. tonight.

00:40:31.740 We're going to be getting into this massive purge throughout Ukraine, all the government officials that are leaving.

00:40:37.360 Apparently, they found corruption in Ukraine.

00:40:39.640 Who knew?

00:40:41.900 By the way, Jack, we just had Gates on here.

00:40:44.100 That's a total random event, right?

00:40:46.080 MTG, the Republican Party says, hey, we're going to give you any money.

00:40:50.380 But if we do, it has to be audited.

00:40:52.040 Next thing you know, the Minister of Interior helicopter has a problem.

00:40:56.940 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:40:57.880 And now, all of a sudden, zero tolerance.

00:41:00.900 Wait, Steve, let's slow down here.

00:41:02.240 This isn't the first time that Biden's had a prosecutor in Ukraine fired that was looking into where the money was going.

00:41:10.400 That's all I'm going to say about that.

00:41:12.260 Yeah.

00:41:12.360 Okay, well, we'll stay tuned for 10 o'clock tonight on Real America's Voice.

00:41:16.720 Jack Posobiec, thank you so much for taking time to come on.

00:41:19.420 Thanks, Steve.

00:41:21.920 The news cycle is absolutely insane.

00:41:25.720 Let's get Caroline Wren. 1.00

00:41:26.880 Caroline, this is a big week in California out of Dana Point.

00:41:33.560 Are you guys at, by the way, are you guys at a Holiday Inn Express out there?

00:41:37.780 Is the RNC Winter Meetings being held at a Motel 6?

00:41:41.160 Are you at the Motel 6 conference room, ma'am?

00:41:45.740 No, and we're actually at the Monarch.

00:41:48.380 I believe the rate is $900 a night thanks to you, the donors that support this organization.

00:41:53.680 We will be spending the next four nights here at one of the most expensive resorts in the country in Gavin Newsom's, California.

00:42:00.080 Yeah.

00:42:02.740 So what's the lay of the land?

00:42:03.980 We've got a minute.

00:42:05.020 We're going to take a short break.

00:42:05.900 You're coming back for the whole next segment.

00:42:07.560 Give us the lay of the land as you get out there, ma'am.

00:42:12.060 You know, we just got here.

00:42:13.760 We feel absolutely the best that we have felt yet coming into this.

00:42:16.700 There's been an overwhelming number of members, all of which have been on Rana's endorsement letter,

00:42:21.380 who have contacted Harmeet in the past 48 hours and said,

00:42:24.340 I'm actually coming into this meeting now undecided.

00:42:26.580 I'm coming in with an open mind, and I want to hear the ideas, Harmeet, that you have to lead us forward.

00:42:32.240 And I think Harmeet's going to have a lot to talk about to that effect.

00:42:34.520 And I think it's things that Rana does not have a platform of success to stand on, right?

00:42:39.840 She oversaw the losses in 2018, 2020, and then 2022.

00:42:43.740 I don't know what convincing closing argument she's going to be able to make.

00:42:46.900 Harmeet has a lot of great things that she's going to be able to talk to these members about.

00:42:49.940 And I think coming in here with an open mind is because of you, the grassroots, that contacted these members and said,

00:42:55.060 please listen to us.

00:42:55.900 We want to change.

00:42:56.860 So we're going into this very, very excited and very much expecting to win.

00:43:02.020 Okay.

00:43:02.520 Hang over a second.

00:43:03.340 Caroline Wren, who's running the operation for Harmeet Dillon.

00:43:07.380 We've got Mike Lindell's also out there to take a short commercial break.

00:43:10.260 Caroline Wren, next, in the war room.

00:43:11.920 Fair warning.

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00:45:10.180 Okay, welcome back.

00:45:11.220 Caroline, do us a favor.

00:45:13.140 Walk through what the process is.

00:45:15.140 I want the audience to understand that there's things happening and culminate in a vote, maybe multiple rounds on Friday.

00:45:23.480 But walk us through what exactly happens between now and then.

00:45:26.720 You said, hey, delegates are telling you they're open to be pitched.

00:45:30.120 They want to hear ideas.

00:45:31.640 There's going to be forms.

00:45:32.460 So walk us through.

00:45:32.980 It's Tuesday night.

00:45:33.740 We've got all day Wednesday, all day Thursday, and then the vote on Friday.

00:45:36.600 Walk us through what happens in the next 48 hours.

00:45:38.520 Right.

00:45:40.840 Sure.

00:45:41.520 Backing it up, there's 168 people that get to vote on this election, 168 members.

00:45:45.600 So every state has their party chair plus a national committee man and woman that are elected by the grassroots of their states.

00:45:51.600 The reason why it's 168, not 150, those you have territory.

00:45:54.700 So Puerto Rico, Guam, America, Samoa, those ones.

00:45:56.940 So that equals that is who is at this meeting.

00:45:58.960 That's who votes.

00:45:59.920 All day tomorrow and all day Thursday, they're in different meetings, whether that's the budget committee meeting, the rules committee meeting, the resolutions.

00:46:06.220 These meetings actually matter.

00:46:07.480 These are where things are voted on and the policies that are set forward that are going to help us in 2024.

00:46:12.640 So these members will be in those.

00:46:14.660 So the vote is Friday morning.

00:46:16.320 Now, the way it works is you can go to multiple ballots, and it's a majority winner.

00:46:19.820 And so that's what we're preparing for.

00:46:21.500 The first vote out the gate is the chair race.

00:46:23.460 They're voting on four different things.

00:46:24.580 They're voting for the chair.

00:46:25.820 I'm sorry, the co-chair, the secretary, and also the treasurer.

00:46:29.620 And so that on Friday morning, starting at 10 a.m., this is Pacific time, that's when that vote's going to happen.

00:46:34.660 And that's why we've got – everyone's got their own whip teams. 1.00

00:46:36.600 We have a very strong whip team that is here meeting with different members.

00:46:39.660 People are decided.

00:46:40.460 People are on Rana's team and going to make it and lay out the case over the next 48 hours as to why Harmeet Dillon is the right choice to be the chair.

00:46:48.860 Okay, we talked this 168.

00:46:51.180 I thought Rana had a letter that went out and had like 115 people's name on it or signed up.

00:46:56.880 They were all going to be the representatives or delegates of this.

00:47:00.120 So she therefore already had it locked up.

00:47:02.180 What's the story with that?

00:47:05.340 So the letter that went out originally was 107, I believe.

00:47:08.880 And really, a couple of these members have said, I put my name on it.

00:47:11.520 I'm sorry, and I've given her my word.

00:47:13.120 Well, Rana's entire campaign is built on her breaking her word because the word that she gave the members two years ago was that I will not run for re-election.

00:47:19.440 So if you gave a promise to Rana just recently and said I'll support your re-election, well, it's built on a broken promise.

00:47:25.180 And so we have been working our way backwards from that.

00:47:27.740 And then a lot of the names on there are not actually real ones.

00:47:30.180 There's been several elections.

00:47:31.140 For example, the name for the Nevada committee woman on Rana's letter is Michelle Fiore.

00:47:36.060 Michelle is no longer a member of the 168.

00:47:38.080 In fact, the voting member is Seagal Chata, who we got elected on this show here to go and vote in Data Point.

00:47:43.020 And there are lots of ones like that, the Wisconsin chair, the Ohio chair, and others.

00:47:46.680 So you work backwards from there.

00:47:48.220 Otherwise, we also have several members.

00:47:50.180 You have Laura, who's a national committee woman from Hawaii.

00:47:52.800 She came out immediately and said, look, I didn't even agree to have my name on this, but I'm not going to be in Rana's letter anymore.

00:47:57.380 I'm supporting Harmeet Dillon.

00:47:59.380 Separately, we have people who are coming in and saying, you know, we are nervous to basically take our name off of Rana's letter and come out and endorse you, Harmeet or Mike.

00:48:08.460 And the reasoning behind it is that there are certain things that are given out.

00:48:11.340 It's transfers to these states and they have to be worried about.

00:48:13.700 But at the same time, this is a private vote.

00:48:16.260 It is a secret ballot.

00:48:17.200 Secret ballots always end up helping the non-incumbent because there is a lot that they are able to do.

00:48:22.560 And they can say, fine, Rana, you know, please stay off my back.

00:48:25.620 I've endorsed you.

00:48:26.500 But privately, I'm going to go in there and vote for Harmeet because I do think that we need to have change.

00:48:30.660 And so that is what we're going to be up against and working on this week.

00:48:33.400 I feel very, very good about it.

00:48:35.060 We have more than enough people who have told us that are on Rana's letter, but privately they're coming in either undecided or have made the decision to vote for Harmeet but are wanting to keep that quiet.

00:48:44.880 The other part of this is those down-ballot races, the co-chair, secretary, treasurer.

00:48:48.720 There are things that affect that race as to why they need to remain on Rana's public endorsement list.

00:48:54.200 So that's another factor that we're seeing going into this.

00:48:58.760 What is, as you've gone around, because you're kind of leading it, and your whips have gone around and Harmeet has talked to people, what is, when you're talking to these 168s on one-on-one, what's their biggest concern? 0.99

00:49:10.540 What's their biggest beef?

00:49:11.460 Why would they just not roll the dice with Rana again?

00:49:14.000 She's a known quantity to these folks. 1.00

00:49:17.340 Yeah.

00:49:18.880 Every – all of these people are different, and some of them I find more egregious than others.

00:49:23.000 For example, the most egregious to me personally is Dave Bossie.

00:49:26.140 Dave Bossie has been a conservative warrior for years.

00:49:28.500 He went around for two years telling everyone he was planning to run against Rana McDaniel because that she was terrible and would list off all the reasons why.

00:49:35.540 He all of a sudden appeared as an endorsement for Rana McDaniel.

00:49:38.720 What he's privately telling people is that he did that at the direction of Donald Trump.

00:49:42.080 I don't believe that, and if that is true, then I'm very disappointed to hear that because Trump has said many times that he intends to remain public.

00:49:48.880 I can't imagine why on earth Donald Trump would not want new leadership, especially Harmeet Dillon, who, by the way, has won two – has represented him in two cases and won both of them, represented him in the Stormy Daniels case in which she actually got Stormy Daniels' attorneys to pay Donald Trump $500,000.

00:50:04.840 And then she won the case against the January 6th committee and the separations of powers.

00:50:10.040 And so why on earth Donald Trump would want more of the same is beyond me.

00:50:12.900 But someone like Dave Bossie – Dave was on the letter that said Kevin McCarthy should not be leader again because we need new change in leadership.

00:50:19.280 How can Dave Bossie put his name on that letter and not feel the same about this RNC race?

00:50:23.860 So that one's incredibly frustrating.

00:50:25.340 You also have the examples like in Florida.

00:50:26.680 I know you've had Anthony Sabatini on, but the Florida chair, Joe Gruders, has termed out he actually moved the vote in the state backwards so that it would be past this vote.

00:50:37.160 And you have the two candidates running who have endorsed Harmeet Dillon, but Joe Gruders has said – he said this in The Washington Post.

00:50:42.440 He said it again in a recent article.

00:50:43.820 I don't care what the grassroots think.

00:50:45.300 I don't care what anyone thinks.

00:50:46.380 I am voting for Ronald McDaniel.

00:50:49.480 Okay.

00:50:49.960 Let me go back to Bossie because I'm very close to Dave.

00:50:52.660 But I want to bring up the point that I think it's political.

00:50:56.300 So people reporting that there's a three-man team from Trump's campaign, I think that the same people are going to be in South Carolina and New Hampshire with him.

00:51:04.260 The three senior people are going to be out at Dana Point, and I think they're quasi-whipping – am I wrong?

00:51:11.840 And Politico says they're going to be whipping for Ronald McDaniel.

00:51:15.400 So isn't Dave Bossie right?

00:51:20.420 He could be right, which to me, that's really upsetting.

00:51:23.900 But Donald Trump – I've been around this world long enough that I only believe things when they come out of Donald Trump's mouth.

00:51:30.460 And the only things that I've heard out of Donald Trump's mouth is that I'm staying out of this.

00:51:33.840 Let them work it out.

00:51:34.620 I think both are very impressive, and I like both of them.

00:51:36.940 So what is happening behind the scenes with different consultants to me is not – sure, that is happening, and they can represent however they want.

00:51:42.880 But to me, I like to hear from Donald Trump's mouth where he feels on this, and all he has said is that he remains neutral, and I actually think that's the right thing to do.

00:51:50.440 The RNC chair should be neutral.

00:51:52.420 We have 2024 primaries.

00:51:54.220 It's in the bylaws, so I don't think it's – I don't think it's smart for Donald Trump to endorse.

00:51:58.640 But I do think it's troublesome that they have different, I guess, folks from – if they're representing themselves as Donald Trump's representatives and then calling people and telling them to vote one way, then that is certainly whipping on behalf of Ronna McDaniel.

00:52:11.680 But the buck stops with Dave Bossie.

00:52:14.040 We've seen this before.

00:52:15.280 Steve, we have seen this forever, that the people that surround themselves around Trump and give bad advice.

00:52:19.880 So if you're Dave Bossie and you were told by this you should vote for Ronna, his advice should have been, Mr. President, absolutely not.

00:52:26.400 That is the worst thing for you.

00:52:27.580 Your base is against it, and I will not do it, and I'm not going to let you fall in that trap either.

00:52:32.140 Okay.

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Bannon's War Room - January 24, 2023

Episode 2467： The Pence Document Crisis

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