On today's show, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-GA) joins us to discuss the indictments of former FBI agents in the Russia investigation, and why Mike Pence should have been the one to announce he's running for president.
00:16:13.000Here's what we know as a consequence of this revelation today.
00:16:17.000Our FBI is corrupted by political interests domestically and compromised by foreign interests financially.
00:16:26.000That is how you have to evaluate the national security state right now.
00:16:30.000And my colleague, Dan Bishop, had a very good idea that we have to break up the FBI and put FBI agents who are patriotic Americans all over this country, not under the spell and the guise of some head shed at the J. Edgar Hoover building, but instead under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
00:17:00.000Why is this dropping in the middle of a Biden revelation, particularly about Hunter Biden now, the laptop, maybe classified information going to him and Mike Pence?
00:17:19.000Given what you've read on your first cut at this, they had this information that could have dropped this, you would agree, several months ago.
00:17:32.000The sealed indictment, why do you make today when you could have done it, when you could have done it otherwise?
00:17:37.000Because you're making a case that on a scale from one to ten on your efforts around the national security state, the administrative state or the deep state, one being, hey, normal course of business, ten being full stop on everything.
00:17:52.000Well, I think that this is critically important because it showcases that if you ever want real accountability for the real bad guys, it's very difficult to achieve at a time when the Department of Justice and the FBI are subject to foreign influences that are illicit and domestic influences that are abjectly political.
00:18:16.000I would view this right alongside some of the whistleblowers who've come forward to say that information about Hunter Biden was purposefully degraded so as to not allow investigations to advance.
00:18:28.000Because, I mean, I got to tell you, in my more than half a decade here in Congress, my biggest revelation in life is that the FBI Department of Justice aren't always the good guys.
00:18:38.000I really believe that when I ran for this job and then I saw what they were willing to do because they did not like Donald Trump and they thought it was righteous to fight against the changes that he was bringing as a result of his election to the presidency.
00:18:52.000And so whether it's taking information and changing it, as we saw an FBI lawyer do during the Russia hoax, whether it's degrading intelligence information that's bad for the Bidens or in this case, whether it's literally having a person who is involved in the Trump-Russia hoax later emerge as an agent of the Russian government, it all works together.
00:19:16.160Because the biggest question I get when I'm out in the country, folks say, how come nobody ever goes to jail for this?
00:19:23.820We see what they do to conservatives and Republicans.
00:19:27.080And the truth is no member of Congress can put handcuffs on anybody.
00:19:31.640We can't initiate any criminal charge.
00:19:33.720All we can do is use our oversight power to get the truth out and we can use the power of the purse to constrain their authority.
00:19:39.880And Nancy Pelosi, with a dead hand, gave the national security apparatus so much money to weaponize their powers against our people.
00:19:49.200And so that's why we have to get this information.
00:19:50.960I want to go back to this inflection point because even in the troubled history of the FBI with why the Church Commission was set up for their aspect of it, the incompetence and overreach for the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, what happened during the Kennedy administration, and then later with Hansen.
00:20:07.160When Hansen came up about the Russian agents, no one's ever said, you know, domestically there's been problems and not just pressures but overreach and real problems.
00:20:16.640And even in their incompetence in 9-11, but no one's ever said what you just said, which is a combination of compromise by foreign governments and domestic politics.
00:20:48.620But even at that time, there was no accusation that the Soviets actually had a deeply embedded or deeply had a deep foreign influence into the FBI overall.
00:21:00.660You're saying this is systemic, not just a bad guy.
00:21:03.180I have seen it in the eyes of some of these people that we have questioned in private and in public.
00:21:09.000And they believe they ought to be more powerful than all the countries.
00:21:12.660They believe that it's up to them to decide, does Russia win today?
00:21:18.640And when we go as the Congress and give them these exquisite authorities to be able to gather intelligence on people, to be able to make searchable databases that can be accessed by tens of thousands of these types of folks.
00:21:59.960This is someone who specialized on Russia, was targeted by Russia, and that's why we're going to be demanding that Chris Wray provide answers as to what we're doing to be more resilient to this.
00:22:12.120And I don't think we're doing nearly enough.
00:22:13.820You think he used this as a cover ongoing investigation Mr. Gates can't talk about it?
00:22:16.960Well, I think that in a lot of ways, this indictment shows what they're investigating and what they're not investigating.
00:22:24.640And what seems to not be given sufficient focus in this indictment is the time where McGonagall was working for the United States and was in this senior leadership position as a counterintelligence official.
00:22:36.800So we're really going to probably leave to the judicial process analyzing McGonagall 2018 and forward.
00:22:44.600But before that, there should be a treasure trove of oversight to do.
00:22:49.320And we need to know if we need to change laws regarding how the screening process is initiated, how we monitor the susceptibility of some of these officials to corrupt foreign influence.
00:23:00.440The whole story will come out over time.
00:23:02.140But you, on these five days that changed the country, you were the master architect.
00:23:09.880But I'm saying about thinking it through early on.
00:23:12.460So you took on the cartel full on and wouldn't back off.
00:23:18.480OK, now this is the national security, deep state, whatever you want to call it.
00:23:23.900You just made a comment at the beginning that they are now actively trying to, if not influence directly the election, mold the field to their to something that's acceptable to them.
00:23:35.740You're talking about a Praetorian Guard that is clearly, according to you, is now out of control and working with or somehow has foreign influence in it.
00:23:49.440What's your strategy to work with Jim Jordan's others to take this on?
00:23:52.740And you have to do it now because 2024 is upon us and these guys are not going to stop.
00:23:57.660Well, one of the things we needed was more resources, and that's why this special select subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee on the weaponization of the government will have the same or more resources than the January 6th committee had.
00:24:10.680That was the specific commitment that we got from Speaker McCarthy during those days that you referenced.
00:24:16.160And so, you know, muscling up our investigative effort has certainly a part of it.
00:24:21.920But issue spotting is going to be important.
00:24:23.980I think that, look, if these documents that Biden had have to do with China, Katie, bar the door.
00:24:28.920But if it's like, you know, some briefing he got on some Central African dictator, you know, when he was a senator or vice president.
00:24:35.380What about if it revolves around Ukraine?
00:24:37.900Well, if it revolves around Hunter Biden's business activities, then you have a smoking gun for influence peddling and access to information and treason, frankly.
00:24:48.420You would have a pretty ironclad case for treason in that case for Joe Biden and potentially associates of his and potentially family members of his.
00:24:57.780But I don't want to prejudge that, and we don't have any information to suggest that that is true.
00:25:02.140We're hypothesizing the different potential outcome sets here.
00:25:05.400And if one of the outcome sets is these documents aren't all that relevant in the modern world, then I think that we ought to be far more interested in the infrastructure that owns Joe Biden, that controls Joe Biden, and that might be interested in dispensing with Joe Biden.
00:25:22.580I mean, if we make this all about Joe Biden and they shit can the guy and we end up with Gavin Newsom, you know, I mean, will that have been a good use of our time?
00:25:31.080I know you've been at the lead of this, although you represent one of the most pro-military parts of the country, Pensacola Naval Air Stations down there in the Navy base.
00:25:39.400You've been at the forefront of Ukraine.
00:26:00.120So weird that, right, as Republicans get in charge and start demanding audits and review of what we've already sent, now Zelensky is an anti-corruption warrior.
00:30:34.780President Trump truiting out about Vice President Pence calling him a, quote-unquote, good man and saying that he should be left alone.
00:30:43.600Here's what is interesting about the Pence situation.
00:30:45.440What it proves without a doubt is that in terms of White House documents, the DOJ has no business in being deeply involved.
00:30:58.200And it appears that if you look at most presidents and vice presidents, you're going to have some sort of remnants of documents that are remaining when they leave office.
00:31:10.640Now, having said that, that doesn't mean that Joe Biden doesn't have major problems because his problems stem from intent.
00:31:18.920His problems also stem from the kind of documents.
00:31:21.080From what we understand, Joe Biden kept literally intelligence, T-S-S-C-I intelligence documents.
00:31:26.520And then beyond that, the fact that Biden filed documents from the Senate, that is a huge problem because in no way does the PRA or any applicable law cover senators who have no business taking documents, taking security, sensitive, or classified documents out of the sketch.
00:31:44.900By the way, we have to have an answer immediately, too, on this Hunter Biden situation, because that was obviously a highly classified briefing that Biden had that Hunter Biden sent to a business associate and then was disseminated broadly.
00:31:59.600So we've got to get to the bottom of that.
00:32:04.300This indictment looks like it could have been dropped any time.
00:32:06.260It looks like it came off a sealed indictment.
00:32:08.040Why has Pence dropped today and why did the FBI drop yesterday, sir?
00:32:12.180Well, the only way on, no, no conspiracies, no quiffiduses.
00:32:17.440The only thing to understand is that there's now an attempt by law enforcement to regain some sort of credibility.
00:32:23.980And that's why they're dropping this on McGoy and on yesterday, the top FBI officials in the in the in the New York field office, who literally was the touchstone for the Russia investigation, now arrested for that, that, that, colluding with Russia and Russian oligarchs.
00:32:40.380Today, you've got the information on Pence dropping.
00:32:43.680The only way to read it is that there's some sort of an attempt by law enforcement because they've been so ridiculed and so badly crushed to regain some sort of credibility.
00:32:55.720But it's frankly not working because what we see now from the way that Biden's been treated and let's be honest, even from the way that Vice President Pence has been treated, is that they have they have absolutely been deranged and attacking President Trump.
00:33:11.980That break in and raid of President Trump's home looks more and more unconstitutional and illegal just the way we put it on August 8th, 2022, when it happened.
00:33:22.320President Trump was again right in saying that the DOJ, the FBI had no business raiding his home, breaking into his home over a doctorate dispute where he said loud and clear, let us know if there's anything else you need.
00:33:34.660Emerson, Emerson, Emerson has a poll that just came out.
00:34:26.220The videos are going viral, and the world has been a huge part of that.
00:34:29.620His message is cutting through, and that message is of an effort of toughness, strength on the border, strength on the economy, strength on national security, and not letting our country be sold down the river.
00:34:41.200Beyond that, hey, no two ways about it.
00:34:43.760There's a disaster for Joe Biden on the document.
00:34:46.420And the fact that he and his team absolutely obstructed and absolutely misrepresented is pure and an adulterated mess for Biden, and it shows just how strong President Trump and his team are.
00:35:47.440Look, Steve, what we need to understand here, what everyone needs to understand, not only the executive secretary level,
00:35:53.320but also through the White House at all.
00:35:55.440So when I came on here two years ago, I explained that there was a shade war going on between the Kamala Harris faction and the Joe Biden faction.
00:36:03.480That has shifted because the rug has been pulled out from under their feet.
00:36:08.260The bottom has fallen out of the Biden administration, and the White House has now turned into a battle royale.
00:36:15.040The establishment's coming in and now maintaining order.
00:36:18.900They're getting rid of the chief of staff.
00:36:46.040He comes in now and he's going to quote unquote right the ship.
00:36:49.260This is the Uniparty coming in to box out Joe Biden and Kamala Harris of their own administration and clear the decks for the arrival of Gavin Newsom.
00:37:02.320When you talk about Shade War has now become a battle royale, where does the administrative state in the deep state come into this?
00:37:11.440Have they chosen a side or are they – Matt Gaetz thinks that they're trying to form the field right now.
00:37:18.460Let's go through your assessment of the deep state.
00:37:20.580Look, we went through this yesterday on Human Events Daily.
00:37:23.680I know the congressman has occasionally mentioned that he listens to the show, so I don't know if he was listening to me or he just came to that formulation from his own sources.
00:37:32.120But that's exactly what I think is going on here.
00:37:34.500Steve, understand, the classified document scandals that are going on right now, the reason that you're seeing it happening to people like Trump, like Biden, Hunter Biden is probably going to be wrapped into this.
00:37:50.740But, of course, Mike Pence – I don't even think Mike Pence is his own wife's first choice for a top candidate.
00:37:55.820But what you're seeing is – what you're seeing is the administrative state coming in and reminding the American people who's really in charge.
00:38:04.900They're coming in and saying, you're not in charge.
00:38:11.140We'll tell you who you're allowed to vote for.
00:38:16.080You're a former naval intelligence officer.
00:38:18.600Given what you've seen in this FBI situation, do you think the FBI – and we didn't even argue this when Hansen was exposed back in the 80s – do you think the FBI has been compromised?
00:38:31.960Do you think there may be systemic compromise of the FBI by a foreign government, sir?
00:38:38.340Steve, you've got this all over Washington, D.C.
00:38:41.420If you think it's just the FBI, you haven't been paying attention.
00:38:43.980You've got Iranian compromise all over the State Department.
00:38:46.500You've got the CCP all over DIA and elements throughout the IC that they've got people in there.
00:38:53.140In fact, at one point during the Trump administration, the CCP was recruiting members of the DIA who were part of the hashtag anti-Trump resistance to come and work as CCP agents for them.
00:39:04.780So this idea that we've got FBI agents and FBI officials that are double-dipping, I mean, this has been going on for a long time within our United States national security agencies.
00:39:13.820That's why the entire thing – and, Steve, you and I have talked about this – the whole thing should be uprooted, rod and stern, and you need to go with the full church committee to decide what we are going to do with our national security state because we are supposed to be a country with an intelligence community, not the other way around.
00:39:32.320Last thing, where's your reporting going on this?
00:39:36.760At Human Events Daily and with Charlie Kirk, you guys have been ahead of the curve here.
00:40:02.460He'll be in his punishment closet later today.
00:40:05.440But, Steve, what we need to understand, what we need to understand is that there's only one candidate, only one man in American politics that for 35 years has been standing up to the globalists in the establishment of a worldwide global order, and that man is Donald J. Trump.
00:40:21.980Jack Posobiec, how do people get to you, the podcast, all your social media?
00:45:59.920All day tomorrow and all day Thursday, they're in different meetings, whether that's the budget committee meeting, the rules committee meeting, the resolutions.
00:46:40.460People are on Rana's team and going to make it and lay out the case over the next 48 hours as to why Harmeet Dillon is the right choice to be the chair.
00:47:05.340So the letter that went out originally was 107, I believe.
00:47:08.880And really, a couple of these members have said, I put my name on it.
00:47:11.520I'm sorry, and I've given her my word.
00:47:13.120Well, Rana's entire campaign is built on her breaking her word because the word that she gave the members two years ago was that I will not run for re-election.
00:47:19.440So if you gave a promise to Rana just recently and said I'll support your re-election, well, it's built on a broken promise.
00:47:25.180And so we have been working our way backwards from that.
00:47:27.740And then a lot of the names on there are not actually real ones.
00:47:59.380Separately, we have people who are coming in and saying, you know, we are nervous to basically take our name off of Rana's letter and come out and endorse you, Harmeet or Mike.
00:48:08.460And the reasoning behind it is that there are certain things that are given out.
00:48:11.340It's transfers to these states and they have to be worried about.
00:48:13.700But at the same time, this is a private vote.
00:48:35.060We have more than enough people who have told us that are on Rana's letter, but privately they're coming in either undecided or have made the decision to vote for Harmeet but are wanting to keep that quiet.
00:48:44.880The other part of this is those down-ballot races, the co-chair, secretary, treasurer.
00:48:48.720There are things that affect that race as to why they need to remain on Rana's public endorsement list.
00:48:54.200So that's another factor that we're seeing going into this.
00:48:58.760What is, as you've gone around, because you're kind of leading it, and your whips have gone around and Harmeet has talked to people, what is, when you're talking to these 168s on one-on-one, what's their biggest concern?
00:49:18.880Every – all of these people are different, and some of them I find more egregious than others.
00:49:23.000For example, the most egregious to me personally is Dave Bossie.
00:49:26.140Dave Bossie has been a conservative warrior for years.
00:49:28.500He went around for two years telling everyone he was planning to run against Rana McDaniel because that she was terrible and would list off all the reasons why.
00:49:35.540He all of a sudden appeared as an endorsement for Rana McDaniel.
00:49:38.720What he's privately telling people is that he did that at the direction of Donald Trump.
00:49:42.080I don't believe that, and if that is true, then I'm very disappointed to hear that because Trump has said many times that he intends to remain public.
00:49:48.880I can't imagine why on earth Donald Trump would not want new leadership, especially Harmeet Dillon, who, by the way, has won two – has represented him in two cases and won both of them, represented him in the Stormy Daniels case in which she actually got Stormy Daniels' attorneys to pay Donald Trump $500,000.
00:50:04.840And then she won the case against the January 6th committee and the separations of powers.
00:50:10.040And so why on earth Donald Trump would want more of the same is beyond me.
00:50:12.900But someone like Dave Bossie – Dave was on the letter that said Kevin McCarthy should not be leader again because we need new change in leadership.
00:50:19.280How can Dave Bossie put his name on that letter and not feel the same about this RNC race?
00:50:25.340You also have the examples like in Florida.
00:50:26.680I know you've had Anthony Sabatini on, but the Florida chair, Joe Gruders, has termed out he actually moved the vote in the state backwards so that it would be past this vote.
00:50:37.160And you have the two candidates running who have endorsed Harmeet Dillon, but Joe Gruders has said – he said this in The Washington Post.
00:50:49.960Let me go back to Bossie because I'm very close to Dave.
00:50:52.660But I want to bring up the point that I think it's political.
00:50:56.300So people reporting that there's a three-man team from Trump's campaign, I think that the same people are going to be in South Carolina and New Hampshire with him.
00:51:04.260The three senior people are going to be out at Dana Point, and I think they're quasi-whipping – am I wrong?
00:51:11.840And Politico says they're going to be whipping for Ronald McDaniel.
00:51:34.620I think both are very impressive, and I like both of them.
00:51:36.940So what is happening behind the scenes with different consultants to me is not – sure, that is happening, and they can represent however they want.
00:51:42.880But to me, I like to hear from Donald Trump's mouth where he feels on this, and all he has said is that he remains neutral, and I actually think that's the right thing to do.
00:51:54.220It's in the bylaws, so I don't think it's – I don't think it's smart for Donald Trump to endorse.
00:51:58.640But I do think it's troublesome that they have different, I guess, folks from – if they're representing themselves as Donald Trump's representatives and then calling people and telling them to vote one way, then that is certainly whipping on behalf of Ronna McDaniel.
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