Bannon's War Room - Episode 2468： McCarthy Plays Hardball With Committee Assignments

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:08.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.000 You're just not going to free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.000 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:26.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.360 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.140 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:43.340 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.

00:00:58.000 Mantos on the Intel Committee?

00:01:00.020 Am I allowing shift to be on other committees?

00:01:04.340 Go right ahead.

00:01:05.140 First, everybody, thank you.

00:01:07.480 Because you have direct power over who goes on intelligence,

00:01:10.160 but you also will be able to raise for your whole House,

00:01:13.840 taking off other Democrats, perhaps Representative Omar.

00:01:16.720 But you have said that lying to us is something that means

00:01:20.280 you should be removed from the intelligence committee,

00:01:22.060 but why is it not a factor?

00:01:24.420 Well, let me be very...

00:01:25.460 If this is a man, you should not be on a committee.

00:01:27.360 It's something you do have power of.

00:01:28.860 He's gotten elected by his district.

00:01:32.500 Can I answer my question?

00:01:33.640 Why is lying?

00:01:34.320 Okay.

00:01:34.860 Let me be very clear and respectful to you.

00:01:37.540 You ask me a question.

00:01:38.840 When I answer it, it's the answer to your question.

00:01:41.180 You don't get to determine whether I answer your question or not, okay?

00:01:44.420 In all respect.

00:01:45.680 Thank you.

00:01:46.820 No, no.

00:01:47.760 Let's answer her question.

00:01:49.460 You just raised a question.

00:01:50.980 I'm going to be very clear with you.

00:01:52.280 The intel committee is different.

00:01:53.720 You know why?

00:01:54.500 Because what happens in the Intel Committee, you don't know.

00:01:57.200 What happens in the Intel Committee of the secrets that are going on in the world,

00:02:01.580 other members of Congress don't know.

00:02:03.280 What did Adam Schiff do as the chairman of the Intel Committee?

00:02:06.420 What Adam Schiff did, use his power as a chairman and lie to the American public.

00:02:11.040 Even the inspector general said it.

00:02:12.560 When Devin Nunes put out a memo, he said it was false.

00:02:15.880 When we had a laptop, he used it before an election to read politics

00:02:19.520 and say that it was false and said it was the Russians.

00:02:21.960 When he knew different, when he knew the intel, if you talk to John Radcliffe, DNI, he came out ahead of time and says there's no intel to prove that.

00:02:32.520 And he used his position as chairman, knowing he has information the rest of America does not and lied to the American public.

00:02:39.340 When a whistleblower came forward, he said he did not know the individual, even though his staff had met with him and set it up.

00:02:45.580 So, no, he does not have a right to sit on that.

00:02:47.920 But I will not be like Democrats and play politics with these, where they removed Republicans from committees and all committees.

00:02:55.480 So, yes, he can serve on a committee, but he will not serve on Intel because it goes to the national security of America.

00:03:01.760 And I will always put them first. All right.

00:03:04.340 And if you want to talk about Swalwell, let's talk about Swalwell, because you have not had the briefing that I had.

00:03:10.140 I had the briefing and Nancy Pelosi had the briefing from the FBI.

00:03:13.000 The FBI never came before this Congress to tell the leadership of this Congress that Eric Swalwell had a problem with a Chinese spy until he served on intel.

00:03:23.800 So it wasn't just us who were concerned about it.

00:03:26.480 The FBI was concerned about putting a member of Congress on the intel committee that has the rights to see things that others don't because of his knowledge and relationship with a Chinese spy.

00:03:39.660 They brought it to the works of the leaders.

00:03:43.760 I've got that briefing.

00:03:45.320 So I do not believe he should sit on there, that committee.

00:03:48.680 And I believe there's 200 other Democrats that can serve on that committee.

00:03:52.700 So this has nothing to do with Santos.

00:03:55.080 Santos is not on the Intel Committee.

00:03:57.040 But you know what?

00:03:58.000 Those voters elected Shift, even though he lied.

00:04:00.420 Those voters elected Swalwell, even though he lied to the American public, too.

00:04:04.740 So you know what?

00:04:05.600 I'll respect his voters, too, and they'll serve on committees.

00:04:08.720 But they will not serve on a place that has national security reverence

00:04:12.660 because integrity matters to me.

00:04:14.760 That's the answer to your question.

00:04:16.620 NATO allies, Germany has agreed today

00:04:19.080 to send much-needed battle tanks to Ukraine.

00:04:23.420 German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced this morning

00:04:26.360 the shipment of what are known as Leopard 2 tanks.

00:04:29.500 Berlin had previously resisted calls

00:04:31.560 to send the vehicles to the region,

00:04:33.620 but today Scholz announced the reversal,

00:04:36.040 citing, quote, intensive consultations

00:04:38.840 between germany and its western allies joining us now we have a top defense official

00:04:45.320 from one of those nato allies permanent secretary of the estonian ministry of defense kusty sam

00:04:53.180 and i would like to start with what estonia is doing to help ukraine because there was

00:04:59.020 a big announcement within the past week can you share that with us good morning everyone yes

00:05:04.720 With a large pleasure. Estonia has been one of the largest supporters of Ukraine.

00:05:11.280 Last week, we achieved 1% of lethal aid that amounts for 400 million U.S. dollars in Estonian terms.

00:05:18.840 But if we would translate it into the U.S. terms, it would be 220 billion euros.

00:05:23.360 So it makes us the largest contributor to aid to Ukraine.

00:05:29.400 Last week, what we also did, we convened...

00:05:31.720 There you go. You've got Estonia, you've got the Baltic nations.

00:05:36.920 They're gearing up for a major land war in Ukraine, and the United States is hectored its quote-unquote allies.

00:05:46.660 Remember, NATO is not an alliance. NATO is a protectorate. Very big difference.

00:05:53.080 This is what President Trump is always trying to get them on the 2% of their GDP for defense and national security that they committed to do back in 2014.

00:06:00.560 right 2014 2015 because they understood nato had basically atrophied okay and as victoria newland

00:06:08.240 and uh in in the demons over the state department uh started doing the color revolution they

00:06:14.580 understood the time that they're going to have to at least have some sort of uh false front to be

00:06:19.720 able to you know go after the kgb or go after the russian people um and this is now this is complete

00:06:27.700 hectoring by the americans i want to get colonel harvey in here we got to talk about the escalating

00:06:32.820 ukrainian land war that they're sucking the american people into uh minute by minute we've

00:06:38.920 got mike davis going to join us also we're going to talk about these committees uh mark mitchell

00:06:42.960 from rasmus has got incredible polling on where the american people are on the debt ceiling here's

00:06:47.520 where they are they don't want any more money spent right uh tom williams is here going to join

00:06:53.180 in a little while where the focus should be and that's on the persecution of 340 million christians

00:06:58.320 throughout the world by governments like the chinese communist party in nigeria in the middle

00:07:02.800 east all of it colonel harvey first i want to go to um since you're an expert of this particularly

00:07:09.120 on the intel committee i want to go to um that's a different kevin mccarthy that is the most succinct

00:07:15.740 most powerful explanation to the american people of why shift and uh and swalwell who were allowed

00:07:23.960 as you remember colonel harvey to basically run uh the intelligence committee when they were in

00:07:29.300 the minority because paul ryan uh didn't have the guts and the backbone to back uh devin nunez

00:07:35.940 colonel harvey your assessment of that and these other investigative committees that you've seen

00:07:39.920 sir? Well, I would agree with you because when I saw your clip and I saw it yesterday,

00:07:47.040 I thought to myself, Speaker McCarthy just gave the best two or three minutes that I've ever seen

00:07:54.460 and I've been watching him closely for years. So maybe he is growing into the role of being a

00:08:01.200 leader and maybe he is, now that he's in this position, he recognizes the real threats to

00:08:08.740 democracy and to our republic by the law-breaking partisan systems in government, the administrative

00:08:17.040 state, and the corruption with big tech and the Democratic National Committee, and how they've

00:08:23.780 used their ability to coordinate, censor, suppress, and use lawfare against law-abiding citizens.

00:08:31.380 So I am hopeful that we're seeing a new McCarthy.

00:08:35.920 The committees he's chosen also reflect that. I think Comer, Jordan, Jordan's going to head the weaponization subcommittee. You've got Brad Wenstrup from Ohio, a doctor who was on the intel committee and was very aggressive, pushing very hard to get at the truth behind COVID.

00:09:01.820 And, you know, he was just an energizer bunny in there. And so he's going to do a real good job there, I think.

00:09:09.100 The China committee was Mike Gallagher. He's a very traditional guy.

00:09:13.980 I'm not sure that we're going to get beyond the normal geopolitical issues there with him and get to the Chinese influence campaign, 0.68

00:09:22.480 how Wall Street and the influence campaign across the board in our society that, you know, 0.91

00:09:27.920 we have business wall street and others basically being front men to promote china the vision of

00:09:35.380 what china is as a non-threatening panda bear um and the members of these committees you know

00:09:41.880 we've got a lot of our freedom caucus people seated in these committees and they will be

00:09:46.900 strong voices what i'm worried about other than the china effort is also mike turner on the

00:09:53.340 Intelligence Committee, because a lot of our problems go there. And Mike Turner really did

00:10:00.740 not want to see Adam Schiff gone. He was trying to befriend him all of last year, and he never

00:10:07.100 saw the real threat when he was a member of the committee working for Devin Nunes. He took a

00:10:12.240 backseat role the whole time. Hold on. Hang on for a second. Because McCarthy, and look, McCarthy's

00:10:20.340 head of the cartel has got a lot to prove but this clearly last night was still the best most

00:10:25.380 succinct explanation the country's had about shift and swalwell and why they're gone um and he didn't

00:10:31.760 leave any door open for them coming back and not have shift on intel is massive not to have swalwell

00:10:38.080 and intel is massive these are these are huge developments not small developments um he's also

00:10:44.180 peopled uh are populated these committees with with strong mega voices right if you look at the

00:10:50.880 weaponization of government if you look at judiciary if you look at oversight he's got

00:10:55.500 real fighters on there who are basically know how to grab a microphone and get the nation's attention

00:11:00.580 in these hearings what you need but i want to go to intel before we get to ukraine uh is mike

00:11:06.160 turner actually try to defend uh befriend shift he was uh that he didn't want him thrown off the

00:11:11.980 committee or swalwell the whole time as the ranking member he was trying to just start fresh

00:11:19.660 let's have lunch let's let's um put all the past behind us okay and you can't do that with these

00:11:29.620 guys especially someone like adam schiff uh who i believe is is corrupt through and through and

00:11:37.840 And we've seen that you don't the tiger doesn't change its stripes. 0.99

00:11:41.880 So that was foolish on his part. But that's who Mike Turner is. 0.96

00:11:45.660 He is an anti-Trump, left of center Republican representing Dayton, Ohio, who was a, you know, the Dayton mayor.

00:11:56.740 And he is he's one of these guys that wants to be loved by the media.

00:12:03.020 And so we're not going to change that.

00:12:05.160 So unless we get some real direction from Speaker McCarthy,

00:12:09.100 the rest of that committee reflects more or less what Mike Turner is about.

00:12:16.840 So we don't have the strong voices on there.

00:12:21.120 Chris Stewart's pretty good from Utah.

00:12:23.920 Actually, he's really quite good.

00:12:25.280 But with the makeup of that committee, we're not going to see a lot out of that one.

00:12:31.840 Now, Steve, if you bear with me for a second, we've got some strong personalities and aggressive leaders on the important committees.

00:12:44.220 The big tech one, who's going to have that and how they're going to go after it, I'm not quite sure yet.

00:12:50.760 But they need good chiefs of staff and very aggressive, very competent investigators and their top lawyers.

00:13:01.720 The rest of the staff will follow the lead of that leadership cadre.

00:13:05.780 But you've already seen DOJ and FBI, you know, starting this rope-a-dope.

00:13:11.000 We've already seen, you know, where the DNI is not responding to, you know, requests for years.

00:13:20.380 and we have no authority to cudgel them and force them unless we actually do some things like the

00:13:26.340 Holman rule. So at the end of the day, what I'm worried about is we need a media strategy so we

00:13:32.380 don't have fratricide, so we stay focused. And the Democrats did that. They hired good people

00:13:40.220 to come in and understood the need to make this a media strategy to impact elections.

00:13:45.520 And we need to be thinking towards 2024 and using these next 18 months to build the narrative coherently.

00:13:55.440 And we're going to need expert media help.

00:13:58.420 And the Democrats hired people from news divisions and Hollywood to help them with that.

00:14:04.180 We need to do the same.

00:14:06.120 To craft a narrative.

00:14:08.460 Okay, Colonel Harvey, stay right there.

00:14:10.860 We're going to take a short break.

00:14:13.240 We've got Mike Davis.

00:14:14.220 We're going to talk about these committees.

00:14:15.240 We got Mark Mitchell at Rasmussen to talk about where the American people are because this all ties back to money, right?

00:14:22.420 It's money, power, and control.

00:14:24.520 And right now the American people are with us because of the work of the war room posse on no more money, okay?

00:14:33.080 In addition, the Ukraine war, expanding ground campaign coming because the Americans have hectored the Germans and now we're sending battle tanks.

00:14:42.240 That would be the Abrams tank, one of the most sophisticated fighting vehicles in the world.

00:14:48.320 With maybe U.S. personnel, maintenance, all of it.

00:14:51.700 Tom Williams on the persecution of Christians, all next in the war room.

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00:16:06.280 Let me bring in Mike Davis for a minute.

00:16:13.760 We're going to go back to Colonel Harvey in a second.

00:16:15.380 Mike, your take on Speaker McCarthy really laying out why they're throwing a shifty shift in Fang Fang Swalwell off the committee.

00:16:27.860 Then your thoughts on the rest of these committees, particularly the MAGA element of it, before we get into the high tech.

00:16:32.180 Your thoughts, sir?

00:16:33.540 Well, these are good signs.

00:16:34.540 And I commend the Speaker for doing what he promised to do, which is to throw these Democrats, these Democrats who are compromised off of these important committees like the Intel Committee.

00:16:49.160 So I commend Speaker McCarthy for that.

00:16:51.220 As everyone knows, I'm not his biggest fan, but I hope that he succeeds.

00:16:54.900 I hope that he sticks with his conservative agenda and succeeds.

00:16:58.420 And so far, so good.

00:17:00.040 whether that's throwing Democrats off committees like they did to us

00:17:04.240 or putting key MAGA conservatives on key committees.

00:17:08.460 So I'm, like I said, so far so good.

00:17:10.640 I commend the speaker.

00:17:13.280 But you also want to see more aggressive.

00:17:17.000 You want to see subpoenas flying.

00:17:18.240 For instance, like even on judiciary, you think we've had enough time.

00:17:22.660 Remember, we weren't supposed to take the first couple of days of the session

00:17:26.260 because we were slowing down the investigations.

00:17:29.660 You want much more.

00:17:31.140 Even though MAGA people on there, he's populated it.

00:17:33.700 It's now time to go from talk to action.

00:17:35.780 And that action starts with what, sir, in your mind?

00:17:39.540 Well, I'm scratching my head why we're not moving very quickly on the House Judiciary Committee.

00:17:44.040 And again, I'm not a fan of McCarthy.

00:17:45.600 I'm not a fan of Jim Jordan.

00:17:46.800 I think that they're too beholden to big tech.

00:17:48.860 But they won, and I'm willing to give them the running room they need to lead and to govern.

00:17:56.840 But I will say this.

00:17:57.780 We've had some very serious things happen at the Justice Department, where the Justice Department is clearly politicized and weaponized.

00:18:07.480 Again, we're seeing this once again with the Biden raids, where Attorney General Merrick Garland, who sent an unprecedented, unnecessary, and unlawful home raid for former President Trump's lawful possession of his classified presidential records and the heavily guarded office of former president in Mar-a-Lago.

00:18:26.060 we saw a home raid and a whole circus around that, media circus around that. Now we have evidence

00:18:33.440 that Merrick Garland has colluded with Biden, the Biden White House attorneys and the Biden

00:18:40.440 personal lawyers to have this very cozy relationship where the attorney general allows

00:18:45.740 Biden's attorneys and not Justice Department officials, including the FBI, to do these

00:18:50.360 searches for the first four times. Biden makes these representations that he's turned over all

00:18:56.620 the records, and then they go in and do this fifth search, and they find all these records,

00:19:00.040 classified records, including not only records from when he was vice president, but records

00:19:04.560 when he was the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, you know, 14 years ago.

00:19:09.900 So this is, and there's evidence that there's an agreement between Garland and Biden to have

00:19:16.920 this cover-up. It's clearly a political cover-up. The Biden team turned this over to the political

00:19:23.940 appointee who runs the National Archives, the Archivist of the United States, as a

00:19:27.680 political appointee. They didn't turn it over to the Justice Department. The only reason we are

00:19:32.640 finding out about this is because the Inspector General of the National Archives blew the whistle

00:19:37.720 and turned this over to the Justice Department. Otherwise, this would have been swept under the

00:19:41.920 rug. And I think that Jim Jordan, and again, I fully admit that I'm not a fan of Jim Jordan,

00:19:48.060 but I worked on the Senate Judiciary Committee for Chuck Grassley. There's no question that if

00:19:53.140 he had subpoena power right now, he would be issuing subpoenas for the National Archives,

00:19:58.420 for Garland, for the Biden team. He would have Attorney General Merrick Garland in the hot seat

00:20:05.440 right now before Congress and asking him about this clear double standard.

00:20:09.000 I want to pivot to tech here by the way Comer said yesterday with the addition of MAGA these

00:20:16.320 big MAGA personalities on oversight he said that he believes it's going to be the most important

00:20:21.820 most electrifying committee I think he said in the history of Congress which is a that's that's

00:20:27.560 raising the bar so it's they've been some pretty pretty influential and pretty high profile so

00:20:33.320 These MAGA additions to this is going to be pretty extraordinary.

00:20:37.480 Let's go big news out of tech.

00:20:39.300 You know, Derek Harvey, Colonel Harvey brought up about the new tech committee, how tough it's going to be, where the focus is going to be.

00:20:47.100 But big news coming out of, I guess, the Justice Department on Google and the antitrust.

00:20:51.160 And what you were tweeting last night, this shows you a shift even in the right with guys like Mike Lee.

00:20:58.540 And this audience is a big part of that, of contacting people and talking to people.

00:21:02.580 What's going on with this Google deal, and how big a deal is it for us?

00:21:06.260 So I started the Internet Accountability Project just over three years ago as the sister organization to Article III Project.

00:21:11.980 Article III Project does the judicial fight.

00:21:14.100 Internet Accountability Project does the big tech fight.

00:21:16.420 When we started Internet Accountability Project three years ago, we were laughed at when we talked about using big tech to break – or using antitrust to break up big tech.

00:21:26.680 Our focus is Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple. And the tactics we want to use to go after them is antitrust and Section 230 reform. Section 230 reform, there's not bipartisan support to pass any reforms in the Congress right now. There will be eventually. We'll continue to work on it.

00:21:45.480 But there is a rare bipartisan opportunity here where you have, you know, the Elizabeth Warren populist wing of the Democrat Party teaming up with the with the MAGA wing of the Republican Party, the populist conservative wing of the Republican Party, where we want to take on big tech.

00:22:05.160 And it's using antitrust to break up Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple, break up their gatekeeping power over information and commerce.

00:22:13.740 And the Biden Justice Department, they have done almost, Biden has done almost nothing right in my mind,

00:22:18.520 except for appointing Jonathan Cantor and Lena Kahn to be his top two antitrust law enforcement cops at the DOJ Antitrust Division

00:22:29.220 with Assistant Attorney General Cantor and at the FTC with FTC Chair Lena Kahn.

00:22:34.860 And they are going after big tech. Jonathan Cantor filed this groundbreaking lawsuit from the antitrust division. He teamed up with several states, including Virginia. My former colleague in the Senate, Andrew Ferguson, is now the Solicitor General of the state of Virginia, and he has been a driving force on this.

00:22:56.020 He worked with me on the Kavanaugh confirmation and many other judges.

00:22:59.500 He clerked with me on the Supreme Court.

00:23:01.040 He clerked for Justice Thomas when I clerked for Justice Gorsuch.

00:23:04.140 And he's really working with Jonathan Cantor as the brains of this operation.

00:23:08.060 And they brought this lawsuit to break up Google's monopoly of the digital advertising market.

00:23:15.820 That is the lifeblood for Google.

00:23:17.720 That is driving the stake in the heart of Google and their monopoly.

00:23:23.480 If you break up their digital advertising monopoly, that's their lifelike.

00:23:28.420 And what's been so amazing, Steve, is, as we talked about, if we would have done this lawsuit three years ago, you would have had the conservatives in Congress going crazy, saying that you can't do this.

00:23:39.580 This is the free market and all this nonsense that the big tech shills say.

00:23:45.180 You had Mike Lee, who was an antitrust skeptic up until about a year ago, who's fully on board with this.

00:23:51.120 Mike Lee is based now, and he's just fantastic.

00:23:55.180 You even have Jim Jordan and Kevin McCarthy, who are big techs, biggest champions among House Republicans, just crickets out of them last night when the Biden Justice Department filed this groundbreaking antitrust case.

00:24:09.040 So this is huge.

00:24:10.560 This is the key to breaking up big tech, is to break up their monopoly advertising.

00:24:15.120 We have to break up big tech, and we've got to break up the ability to monetize and have a monopoly over the monetization.

00:24:25.580 That cuts this hard.

00:24:26.600 That's like what we have to end the Fed.

00:24:29.720 The Fed is the money machine that keeps the administrative state leviathan apparatus going.

00:24:36.640 The same here, the breakup, the monopoly over digital ads.

00:24:40.220 So it's a brilliant and tough and smart, and now you've got conservatives.

00:24:43.840 Kim Buck, everybody's on board. Mike, how do people find out more about this? How do they

00:24:47.560 follow you? Yeah, article3project.org, article3project.org, at article3project,

00:24:54.300 at article3project. And if you go to that website, there's a war room link for the war room posse.

00:25:00.160 The war room posse was key to getting these Republican politicians to see the light on

00:25:05.720 big tech. So keep doing what you're doing. You guys have a huge influence in the conservative

00:25:10.180 movement and my personal is at mrd dmia at mrd dmi and thank you steve you got to follow that

00:25:19.720 personal when it gets a little hot particularly late at night some stuff coming out of there

00:25:24.320 davis understanding you're you're a fighter he's picking fights all over mike davis thanks

00:25:29.340 appreciate it big win in big tech the committees we gotta get the subpoenas everybody's leaning

00:25:35.620 on colonel harvey uh given your expertise in your kind of legendary in your expertise uh we are and

00:25:43.840 i want the american people understand this biden and these folks have not come to congress and

00:25:48.000 made a pitch this is like vietnam and then they they thought you know they they came up with the

00:25:52.760 tonkin gulf resolution we're going down the same path of vietnam we're going down the same path

00:25:57.440 of iraq we're going the same path of afghanistan we're incrementally escalating these things and

00:26:03.580 the american people are not being brought into the reality give me your assessment uh serp of the

00:26:08.180 now because the americans went over there and we did this in vietnam you went over there and they

00:26:13.560 we were trying to talk them into a new strategy that will back by money and material they're in

00:26:18.380 front of bakhmut in this siege right one of these cities in the east and what they're trying to say

00:26:23.620 no no no no give that up and let's prepare for a massive spring offensive to crimea to take crimea

00:26:30.520 back a ground war right in a place where you had the tank battle at curse stalingrad now the

00:26:37.120 americans uh general milley the head of the cia who by the way didn't go to taiwan they haven't

00:26:43.200 briefed anybody in taiwan they're over there briefing zelinski's guys they've talked him

00:26:47.180 into a strategy of a ground war in the spring focus on crimea backed by american and german

00:26:53.820 battle tanks colonel harvey is that where we are today unfortunately you've got it just about right

00:26:59.580 And I'm concerned for a couple of things. Let's just look back real quick. Ukraine is not part of NATO. So we're not defending NATO here. Now, there have been justifications made by the Biden administration to rationalize this. And we've been incrementally getting deeper and deeper. And we've been coercing our NATO allies to increase their support.

00:27:22.900 There's a lot of risk here, Steve, and we're not talking about the risk.

00:27:28.340 The Russians have a lot of geopolitical advantages because they're right there.

00:27:32.340 Now, they've been on the back foot.

00:27:33.680 They were disorganized.

00:27:34.920 But the parallels are to the great patriotic war of the Russians in World War II.

00:27:41.260 As you remember, they got beat bad.

00:27:42.720 Hang on one second.

00:27:45.340 Colonel Harvey, hang on for one second.

00:27:46.940 We're going to take a short break.

00:27:47.780 Colonel Harvey is going to join us in the Ukraine war.

00:27:49.860 We've got Mark Mitchell Rasmussen, where the American people are, on debt and spending.

00:27:54.760 Tom Williams on the global persecution of 340 million Christians.

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00:29:30.040 Colonel Harvey, your assessment of Ukraine, sir?

00:29:34.140 First of all, I'm worried that we've got too many people that think Russia's in a corner,

00:29:42.460 that they've been defeated, that we've got all the advantages, and we just need to push,

00:29:47.840 push harder. And so providing over 300 main battle tanks to Ukraine between the United States,

00:29:58.460 the UK, the Germans, and those that are being transferred by Poland over there.

00:30:05.200 Those are all for an offensive land campaign. And Zelensky and his minister of defense have

00:30:10.220 been very clear that they want to free all the territory, going back to the 2014 capture of

00:30:18.080 Crimea by Russia. But Russia is going through a parallel to what we saw in the great patriotic

00:30:28.460 war in World War II. They're mobilizing. They realize they're in a long war. They realize they

00:30:33.980 have time. They can wear us out, and they're always going to be there. The only way, and I

00:30:38.920 think we are misreading the situation because we're pushing a situation where the hardliners,

00:30:45.660 the supranationalists in Russia, are going to be ascendant. There's a fight already in Russia

00:30:51.640 about competition between the traditional military as guardians of the state and the Wagner group and

00:30:58.240 paramilitaries that are the supranationalists. It's almost like Germany in pre-World War II,

00:31:05.600 where you had the Waffen-SS start to dominate 0.54

00:31:08.420 and be the enforcers for the regime and true nationalism there.

00:31:12.300 And I'm worried that we're going to just wind up misjudging the situation,

00:31:17.620 and we haven't communicated what's at risk,

00:31:20.900 how we're going to do it to the American people.

00:31:23.020 There's no authorization from Congress, no resolution, nothing.

00:31:26.960 No authorization, no resolution.

00:31:30.020 We just got out of spending $9 trillion in 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq

00:31:34.480 with nothing to show for it, nothing to show for it,

00:31:37.960 except dead young American men and women, PTSD, suicides every day,

00:31:43.180 and $9 trillion.

00:31:44.340 We're going to have a rest lesson on here in a second.

00:31:47.040 We talk about debt limits.

00:31:48.360 It's because of paying for the forever wars.

00:31:50.980 You've got the headlines here in the Financial Times.

00:31:53.420 They're talking about the tanks.

00:31:54.880 And the sub-headline, fears of NATO-Russia clash.

00:31:59.940 NATO-Russia clash.

00:32:01.200 Well, NATO, quote-unquote, is supposed to be an ally.

00:32:03.860 they're actually a protectorate and now we're assuming ukraine's an ally colonel harvey in

00:32:09.700 your professional opinion sir for your career as a as a uh as a army officer uh and somebody's been

00:32:16.580 infantry airborne and uh in intelligence is there any possibility in your mind you see today

00:32:22.740 that the ukrainian army can force out the russians out of eastern ukraine or out of crimea as you see

00:32:30.960 today, sir, without the introduction of American combat troops, sir? Well, for sure we're going to

00:32:37.520 have to put all the combat support elements in there. Trainers, logisticians, maintenance,

00:32:44.320 that type of thing to support these very complex weapon systems that we have over there. It's going

00:32:49.480 to go beyond just private contractors and things like that. I worry that we're slipping gradually,

00:32:56.840 step-by-step into a larger war and a potential miscalculation. And Russia has a lot of options

00:33:04.020 to poke back, strike back in the sea, in other areas, Latvia, Estonia, you know, with this hybrid 0.67

00:33:12.640 gray zone type warfare that could have serious consequences. And how that escalates and how we

00:33:20.040 contain it, I think containment of this conflict and resolution are what we need to be focused on,

00:33:25.280 We're not trying to prove our masculinity, if you want to call it that, and push Russia because too many people are seeing this as an opportunity to just knock Russia out of the game, and we're not going to do it.

00:33:40.220 Colonel Harvey, how do people get to you on your social media, sir?

00:33:45.820 At Derek Harvey on Trump Social, Derek Harvey on Twitter.

00:33:50.300 You can search me there and look for my stuff at DerekHarvey.org.

00:33:55.280 colonel harvey thank you uh remember there there's a famous book written about world war

00:34:01.600 one called the sleepwalkers that was all the diplomats and politicians and statesmen

00:34:05.980 that's that did the sleepwalking into world war one one of the films nominated for best

00:34:12.720 picture academy award i could not recommend a film more is all quiet the reimagining of

00:34:18.240 all quiet on the western front a new version about trench warfare and world war one uh if

00:34:24.480 you'd look at what's happening in ukraine looks like a lot like world war one today well it is

00:34:28.780 you i strongly recommend you see that picture but it's quickly going to go to world war ii because

00:34:33.720 the united states is escalating this famous book out by timothy snyder no fan of the war room and

00:34:40.980 no fan of president trump but the book is called bloodlands you read this book and you will never

00:34:46.240 ever ever want a young american man or woman in uh in ukraine fighting okay the smartest minds in

00:34:55.040 world war ii the smartest minds pat and montgomery all of them to even be considering a a large scale

00:35:02.140 a ground warfare to take back crimea joe biden the republicans right now in the house and mike

00:35:11.720 pompeo is up there on tv you know and pompeo knowing well good guy out there just just this

00:35:18.000 insanity we got to give him everything to take back that we're now introducing the most

00:35:25.920 sophisticated land weapon system we have essentially the abrams tank to to with the

00:35:31.660 german tanks the with the leopard twos to to have a pivot away from what they're doing now

00:35:37.780 for a massive ground campaign spring offensive to take back crimea okay to take back crimea

00:35:46.700 um if the ukrainian people want to do that and now of course you know uh uh zero tolerance for

00:35:55.460 corruption after mtg and others said hey we're going to audit everything of course other matters

00:35:59.740 say no money whatsoever is going to ukraine now they're going to need hundreds of billions of

00:36:04.020 dollars to do this they're going to need american personnel they're going to need maintenance

00:36:06.960 personnel, logistics personnel. They're going to say, no, no, Bannon, you're wrong. We got Europeans

00:36:10.500 trained on the Abrams. Thanks. Sure you do. Sure you do. You're going to need American personnel.

00:36:14.720 That's just why they have the 101st Airborne in Romania on the border of Ukraine.

00:36:20.080 And on this show, we're not going to do it. We're not going to sit there and let the lies

00:36:22.760 spin. And quite frankly, the neocons have exposed themselves,

00:36:28.020 okay, have exposed themselves. The other thing is the cost

00:36:31.100 of this. We have other priorities. We have a priority called the invasion on our

00:36:34.900 southern border uh mark mitchell rasmussen you've done some polling here about debt ceiling spending

00:36:39.580 all that walk us through with where the american people are right now in the opening innings of

00:36:44.780 this where there's just being spun lies and misrepresentation by msnbc cnn a lot what you

00:36:50.620 see on fox and in what you read in the new york times washington post wall street journal sir

00:36:55.780 where are the american people right now according to rasmussen yeah let me first say that we've been

00:37:01.180 on a tear for the last month or two, and we've been really nailing the topics. First, we sort

00:37:06.480 of kicked off the avalanche of the vaccine side effect narrative shift. We've been polling on

00:37:11.700 Congress investigating the CDC. We polled on Ukraine two or three weeks ago. We polled on

00:37:16.480 big tech. We've been all over GarageGate. And I'll tell you, voters there do see through the

00:37:21.640 politicization of the DOJ. But one of the things we've been focused on after the election is we

00:37:26.640 got a new Republican Congress coming into town. And we've been trying to really dissect,

00:37:32.740 Republican Party is trusted more than the Democrat Party on almost every issue by a small to a very

00:37:39.440 wide margin. And yet Republican leaders are rated very poorly. And the Republican Party doesn't seem

00:37:45.700 to be winning as much as it should. So we've been trying to get into the real issues specifically.

00:37:51.420 And one of them that we saw coming up is this potential fight over the budget deficit.

00:37:57.220 And to hear these guys in D.C. talk, you think that a budget, you know, the government shutdowns is a crisis as big as anything except for maybe January 6th.

00:38:08.240 And the truth is, is that voters overwhelmingly support by a decent size margin, shutting the government down as a bludgeon in order to get to fiscal responsibility.

00:38:19.000 So the question we asked –

00:38:49.000 prefer the partial shutdown. Only 34% are against it. And even with Democrats, Democrats are for

00:38:56.980 avoiding the shutdown, but only 50 to 41% margin. So Democrats are almost at parity. Republicans are

00:39:03.860 obviously all for the shutdown. And the shutdown wins by 26 points among independents. So it's

00:39:10.720 pretty clear. I mean, they just don't see it. And part of that is because voters blame politicians

00:39:16.180 in D.C. for the spending, not taxpayers' unwillingness to reach into their pockets.

00:39:21.920 So I think, by and large, voters sort of see the D.C. grift, that no matter what party gets in there,

00:39:28.840 we continue to spend, spend, spend. I think overall voters are relatively fiscally conservative,

00:39:36.200 and yet they keep saying the same things over and over again. Oh, we can't have a shutdown. Oh,

00:39:41.000 we can't have a shutdown. And sure enough, the debt ceiling goes up and we spend, you know,

00:39:45.100 31 trillion dollars so how walk us through how did you ask the questions because this is about

00:39:52.920 the enlightenment and the awakening of the american people of what the con is here the

00:39:56.800 continual spending their lives get worse economically they're paying the politicians

00:40:01.320 are paying off their lobbyists paying off their corporate sponsors paying off wall street the debt

00:40:06.220 the spending continues and it's reached to the piggy bank of the federal reserve and they print

00:40:10.380 money. So how did you, in this awakening, how did you ask the questions? I mean, I read the first

00:40:16.840 question and it's very impartial. I mean, we called it a partial government shutdown. And we're

00:40:25.100 talking about, do you want to authorize spending at a higher level to avoid that? Or do you want

00:40:29.520 Democrats and Republicans to come together in a bipartisan way to cut spending? And then the

00:40:34.540 other question we asked in this set, which is more to blame for the size of the federal budget

00:40:38.760 deficit, taxpayers' unwillingness to pay more in taxes, or politicians' unwillingness to reduce

00:40:44.700 government spending. And politicians are to blame 66% to 21% in that question. With Republicans,

00:40:53.400 they overwhelmingly blame politicians, 77% to 18%. Independents also overwhelmingly blame

00:41:00.140 politicians, 71% to 17%. And then Democrats, a majority of them blame politicians too, 52% to

00:41:06.540 28%. The only, the only demographic that blames taxpayers' unwillingness more than politicians

00:41:16.000 for our runaway government spending is Biden's strong approvers. And with them, it's 55% blame

00:41:23.040 taxpayers and 28% blame the politicians. So, I mean, it's not like totally reversed in the other

00:41:28.400 way, but literally, literally the only demographic. So I think that gives you a little insight into

00:41:34.720 where some of his support is coming from but you you you guys have been on fire on all this i want

00:41:42.000 to know where i know you got your youtube channel where can people go to see not just this but see

00:41:46.100 all the rest and your explanation of all this polling you've been doing on ukraine vaccines

00:41:50.660 all of it yeah ukraine should give the republicans in congress some additional ammo because republicans

00:41:57.760 are more and more waking up to the fact that we're potentially doing too much there as opposed to not

00:42:02.520 enough, go to our Twitter, Rasmussen underscore poll. And I want to take one moment, Steve, to

00:42:07.400 ask your viewers to do something particular. So we polled a lot on vaccine side effects. 7% of

00:42:14.180 vaccinated Americans say they've experienced a major side effect. 28% of all Americans say they

00:42:20.300 know somebody they think personally died from the vaccine. According to our numbers, the vaccines

00:42:25.680 are unsafe and are potentially still harming people. So what we prepared is last week, we

00:42:30.960 prepared a video that aggregates all of our polling on vaccines in one place and i stripped

00:42:36.540 out all you know all cynicism and bloviating there's zero commentary in there it's literally

00:42:42.180 just the numbers it's kind of a boring video but if people have somebody they want to share that

00:42:47.540 particular message with maybe that's the way they can do it we'll push it up no no no we'll push it

00:42:53.400 out hard one well how do they get to on social media we got about 20 seconds uh twitter erasmus

00:42:58.500 an underscore poll and we're on gab gutter to social all that stuff okay we're going to push

00:43:04.700 out the the vaccine video thank you very much tom williams the person global persecution of

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00:46:00.960 bureaus for breitbart rahim kassam ran london and tom williams ran rome and they both kind of

00:46:07.120 changed history. Tom Williams, now still at Breitbart, but has written

00:46:11.040 an incredible book, The Coming Persecution of Christians, from one of the best

00:46:14.900 publishers out there, Sophia Institute Press, who published

00:46:18.780 serious books on serious topics. Tom, here's the first question.

00:46:22.900 When you say the coming persecution, don't we already have

00:46:27.020 are you saying it's going to expand worse than it is because the church

00:46:31.180 and this is both the underground Catholic church and particularly this

00:46:34.940 evangelical movement throughout the world is heavy persecution now in the middle east in china

00:46:40.520 in uh sub-saharan africa i believe it's going to come to brazil with the with the transnational

00:46:47.100 marxist uh criminal lula taking power there um when you say coming persecution

00:46:53.040 are you saying it we're not being persecuted today or it's going to get worse sir

00:46:57.740 oh no we're definitely being persecuted today uh steve as you know you know very well i think

00:47:03.120 that's kind of a rhetorical question on your part. The persecution right now is the worst it's ever

00:47:08.300 been in history. All the numbers, every year it gets worse. As you mentioned earlier on in the

00:47:14.320 show, some 340 million Christians throughout the world are under severe Christian persecution,

00:47:21.360 meaning that they fear for their lives on a day-to-day basis. That doesn't include

00:47:25.080 all the persecution that goes on in the West. It doesn't include the harassment,

00:47:28.800 the ostracization, the ridicule, and the other forms of abuse. But in terms of just

00:47:35.400 violent persecutions, those who actually fear for their lives, we're talking about

00:47:39.160 astronomical numbers. No, the reason that the book is called The Coming Christian Persecution

00:47:43.580 is because as bad as things are now, every indicator points to a situation that is getting

00:47:49.600 worse by the year. And the reason for that is that the drivers of Christian persecution 0.83

00:47:55.220 are not going away. In fact, they are becoming stronger and more bold as the years go on, 0.92

00:48:00.920 and their traditional defenses of Christians. And those primarily in the West, in the post-Christian 0.75

00:48:07.060 West, those who would stand up, those who would call it out, the media that would comment and

00:48:11.700 would bring these things to light are willingly or sometimes just out of negligence completely

00:48:18.040 falling down on the job. So you have no sort of defense, you have no sort of pushback on this

00:48:23.680 mass of persecution that's going on.

00:48:27.400 So, Todd, let's go to the 340. Break that down for us. You're saying that it's the worst

00:48:31.860 persecution in history. That includes first century Rome, which we

00:48:35.720 always think is the worst persecution of Christians ever.

00:48:39.400 You're saying it's worse than first century Rome. Of the 340 million,

00:48:43.660 where does that break out as the big and the most, the ones

00:48:47.740 we should worry about the most? Well, in terms of absolute numbers,

00:48:51.420 Asia and Africa are definitely in first and second place. Africa boasts, if you will, 0.99

00:48:59.200 the country where it is hardest and most dangerous to be a Christian, which is Nigeria, 1.00

00:49:04.440 which is roughly 50 percent Christian, 50 percent Muslim. But the numbers of Christians who die

00:49:10.500 on a weekly basis in Nigeria are really astronomical. It's something that no longer

00:49:15.440 even makes the news. The mainstream media don't even bother covering the fact that scores of

00:49:19.860 Christians die on a monthly basis in Nigeria. In Asia, we hear less about it, generally speaking,

00:49:27.100 because a lot of it happens behind closed doors where you're getting no media attention whatsoever.

00:49:31.560 Take, for example, North Korea. North Korea, we don't have media coverage because there is no

00:49:36.480 media allowed in North Korea. China, there's a willingness on the part of the Catholic Church,

00:49:43.300 to take an extreme example, to overlook the persecution that's going on of Christians,

00:49:49.500 the way it's getting worse by the day, because the Vatican is so desperate to

00:49:54.080 have a thaw in diplomatic relations with Xi Jinping, and they really, really want that to

00:50:01.660 happen more than anything else. So they're willing to overlook the actual persecution that happens on

00:50:05.880 a daily basis. And as we see that spilling over into Hong Kong as well, this is something that

00:50:11.880 obviously in the Middle East and you and I, I credit you in a big way with this book because 0.97

00:50:16.400 you encouraged me when we would go back and forth in this 2014, 2015, 2016, when we had the ISIS

00:50:23.160 big uprising, when they moved into Mosul and the Nineveh plane and then went on and on and on, 0.70

00:50:29.140 that is something that's still very real. The fact that ISIS, we don't hear on a day-to-day

00:50:33.620 basis what they're doing, that does not mean that radical Islam is in any way snuffed out.

00:50:40.820 that's still very, very big.

00:50:42.880 They're changing tactics, and they're changing places, 0.95

00:50:45.260 and we're seeing them much more right now in Africa. 0.75

00:50:48.240 But in the Middle East, I mean, look what's happened to Christians.

00:50:50.400 They've been decimated.

00:50:51.300 The number of Christians in Iraq, the number of Christians in Syria

00:50:54.340 are down to a tiny fraction of where they were before 2011.

00:50:59.120 So this is something that is very, very grave throughout the world.

00:51:02.860 But Middle East, Africa, Asia, those are the hot points. 0.97

00:51:06.040 real quick the church in the first thing was also a desert church have have when you say decimated

00:51:14.760 the the number percentage of christians at the turn of the 20th century today is like it's been

00:51:21.020 an astronomical drop correct a complete implosion of the church in the middle east and in in places

00:51:25.960 like syria yes absolutely and this is something it's it's particularly tragic because obviously

00:51:32.260 this is the birthplace of Christianity. The oldest Christian communities that can actually trace

00:51:38.580 their birth back to just after the time of Christ, they are all here in the Middle East,

00:51:43.700 obviously. And this is something that is very, very sad to see, that there actually may be no

00:51:49.220 Christian presence in these places if things continue the way they are now. And it's now,

00:51:54.980 even despite the fact that there isn't, again, there aren't Christians dying daily in Iraq

00:52:01.540 or in Syria, it's still very, very hard to be a Christian there.

00:52:05.720 And a lot of people are just deciding it's not worth it.

00:52:07.920 They're emigrating out of there and moving to the West.

00:52:11.800 Let's talk about that next. 0.90

00:52:13.140 90-second break.

00:52:13.900 Tom Williams will join us on the other side.

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Bannon's War Room - January 27, 2023

Episode 2468： McCarthy Plays Hardball With Committee Assignments

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