Bannon's War Room - January 30, 2023


Episode 2479：： Taking Crimea; Change Starts At The Local Level


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The War Room is a podcast on the history of the Cold War and the events that have shaped it. Hosted by Senior Editor-in-Chief Stephen K. Vance and Senior Producer-In-Chief Editor- in-Chief Ben Burquam. This episode features an interview with Anne-Marie Slaughter, the former Director of Policy Planning at the State Department.

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00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:05.920 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:11.120 You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:15.440 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:17.380 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:18.780 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:20.540 but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:00:22.720 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:26.120 Mega Media.
00:00:27.040 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:32.900 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:36.680 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:42.960 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
00:00:57.040 The hammer and sickle of the Soviet Union, slashing at Hitler's military arrogance, 0.70
00:01:15.420 pounding the battered remains of his encircled divisions.
00:01:18.000 This is a newsreel record of what may prove to have been the turning point of the war on the Eastern Front,
00:01:28.300 perhaps the turning point of the whole war,
00:01:30.600 with men of the Red Army finishing off the would-be conquerors of Stalingrad,
00:01:35.040 mopping up German survivors in and around Stalingrad,
00:01:38.460 finally crushing every point of resistance.
00:01:40.880 Lieutenant General Batov greets General Rokossovsky and Marshal Voronov.
00:01:51.340 Rokossovsky, the famous Don Front commander,
00:01:53.820 Voronov representing the Soviet High Command.
00:01:56.720 Two of the leaders who won a victory that will not be forgotten so long as war itself is remembered.
00:02:01.420 The battle is drawing to a close.
00:02:05.260 Russian artillerymen fire point-blank at the last stronghold of Germany's doomed battalions.
00:02:10.380 Russian artillerymen fire point-blank at the last stronghold of Germany's
00:02:39.120 The hammer and sickle of the Red Army completely broke down the enemy's will to fight,
00:02:44.700 and the Russians are reaping the reward of their gigantic efforts,
00:02:48.120 as at point after point, pole detachments of German troops give themselves up.
00:02:52.660 Now the white flag of capitulation has taken the place of the Crooked Cross.
00:02:56.780 The survivors of a German army of over 300,000 officers and men have had enough.
00:03:13.520 And that goes for the surviving German generals, too.
00:03:16.400 Here they come.
00:03:18.120 Lieutenant General von Daniel, commander of the 376th Infantry Division,
00:03:22.060 surrenders with what's left of his force.
00:03:24.520 President Zelensky turned 45 on Wednesday,
00:03:52.400 and got one of his biggest birthday wishes when President Biden announced that the United States
00:03:57.560 would send 31 M1 Abrams tanks to help with the fight.
00:04:02.240 Dozens more leopard tanks will come from Germany and other allies.
00:04:06.280 Ukraine had long been pleading for such heavy weapons from the West.
00:04:09.920 And this breakthrough came after what seemed to be a game of chicken between the United States and Germany
00:04:14.720 to see who would offer their tanks first.
00:04:17.060 First, let's talk about the war and much more with today's terrific global panel.
00:04:21.760 Anne-Marie Slaughter is the former director of policy planning at the State Department
00:04:25.720 and joins us from Princeton.
00:04:27.480 She is the president of New America.
00:04:29.620 Karl Bildt is a former prime minister of Sweden and joins us from Stockholm.
00:04:33.860 And Kishore Mahbubani is a former top Singaporean diplomat and joins us from Singapore.
00:04:39.680 Anne-Marie, what do you make of this, particularly the German decision?
00:04:43.920 Well, the German decision is extraordinary in just historical terms,
00:04:50.800 because once again, German tanks, panzers to most of the Russians and the Europeans
00:04:56.140 will be fighting Russia.
00:04:59.320 They will not be rolling into Russia, or at least we certainly hope not.
00:05:03.280 So the kind of historical significance is enormous.
00:05:06.940 Really, though, what's most important about this decision is political.
00:05:10.920 It is signaling to Putin, no, we are not going to split, we're going to maintain cohesion,
00:05:17.700 and we're going to amp up.
00:05:19.740 So we're not scared of your threats of escalation.
00:05:23.160 That's a more important signal right now than the actual military advantage.
00:05:27.220 It's going to take months for the Ukrainians to get them and to be able to use them.
00:05:32.300 Longer term, it will help Ukraine defend and actually advance against Russia. 0.53
00:05:37.100 But that's going to take quite a while.
00:05:38.860 So for now, it's really a very important political signal that NATO is holding together.
00:05:48.080 Okay, signal, not noise.
00:05:49.640 It is Monday, 30, January, year of our Lord, 2023.
00:05:52.900 We've got Cortez, Ben Burquam, Josh Hammer from Newsweek.
00:05:56.260 We're going to get into this.
00:05:57.700 That interview, remember, Anne-Marie Slaughter was head of policy planning at the State Department.
00:06:03.780 That is – it's like being – I keep talking about OMB being outside of chief of staff, the most important job in the government.
00:06:10.100 Policy planning is what George Kennan, who wrote the ex-memorandum on containment policy for the State Department after World War II,
00:06:19.980 the strategy about containing the Soviet Union.
00:06:21.780 It is a major power position, and she is a major power player right there talking about the tanks that – with the Iron Crosses.
00:06:31.300 The Leopard 2s have the Iron Crosses.
00:06:33.020 In fact, if my ever crack team in Denver and here, just get a chance, play some B-roll.
00:06:38.100 Cortez and I talk about this.
00:06:39.520 The Iron Cross on tanks, underwritten by American taxpayers, are about to roll across Ukraine.
00:06:49.380 She actually gets to that later in the interview with Farid.
00:06:52.680 We're going to try to cut this during the show.
00:06:55.160 Steve Cortez, today, 80 years ago, we had Holocaust Memorial on Friday, right?
00:07:02.040 Well, the way that the camps were liberated were both the American Army and the Red Army.
00:07:11.180 300,000 – Field Marshal Paulus, right now, 80 years ago, he surrendered at Stalingrad tomorrow.
00:07:17.580 A 300,000-man army that had been crushed and decimated.
00:07:21.040 That is the size of Patton's army.
00:07:23.460 This is just what they had outside of Stalingrad.
00:07:25.200 This was – the entire Patton's third army was about 300,000 men.
00:07:28.580 My point is the scale and brutality of this is incomprehensible to an American audience.
00:07:36.120 Steve Cortez, right now – but here's what we've done.
00:07:39.520 I want the audience just to ask themselves, do you remember the debate over tanks?
00:07:42.440 Where was the – did we have a debate over tanks, all of a sudden tanks?
00:07:45.320 And this tanks is to stop – they're going to withdraw from the siege of Bakhmut because they're losing, right?
00:07:51.400 And they've lost a third of the country, the eastern-speaking border, Russian-speaking border.
00:07:55.680 Now, because of the Biden regime, the globalists, they got the tanks, but immediately you see the F-16s right here.
00:08:04.840 My favorite headline, right?
00:08:07.100 My favorite headline is the F-16s coming right away to – Lockheed Martin is already going to buy –
00:08:15.080 already going to build them without a purchase order.
00:08:16.700 We're now going to have close air combat support because it – ladies and gentlemen, just to understand, the narrative has gone from defend Ukraine to liberate Crimea.
00:08:27.600 Steve Cortez, your thoughts and analysis of this, sir?
00:08:31.040 Right.
00:08:31.380 Talk about mission creep.
00:08:32.680 This isn't just mission creep, right?
00:08:34.500 This is an absolute catapulting forward of the mission, an acceleration.
00:08:38.460 It wasn't, by the way, just the FT reporting, which was critical, about Lockheed Martin and its executives, who are not dumb people, right,
00:08:45.180 knowingly getting their production ramped up in anticipation of replacing the F-16s that are going to be sent to Ukraine.
00:08:52.780 Also over the weekend, Politico reported very much the same, and I'm quoting from the Politico story.
00:08:57.820 A contingent of military officials is quietly pushing the Pentagon to approve sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine.
00:09:04.740 It continues, Ukraine has kept American-made F-16s on its weapons wish list.
00:09:11.160 How nice that Ukraine, that Zelensky has a weapons wish list. 0.94
00:09:14.860 You know, a lot of Americans have a wish list for their life to pay their bills right now, and this is critical, Steve, because I think there's two aspects to this.
00:09:22.680 Not only is it reckless and dangerous and really absurd that the United States is pretending that we have a vital U.S. national security interest in the Bloodlands battle in the Black Sea,
00:09:34.980 but at the same time, not only do we not have a U.S. national interest, at the same time, we cannot afford this kind of intervention.
00:09:42.080 We are borrowing the money, the American taxpayer is borrowing the money to send over there to exacerbate, to massively exacerbate a conflict in which we have no strategic national interest.
00:09:55.040 And you're so smart, Steve, to put this in historical context.
00:09:58.800 Let's remember that this is a Slavic struggle between the Ukrainians and the Russians that has existed for time immemorial.
00:10:06.060 They have been fighting for centuries over these lands, and in all likelihood, they're going to fight for centuries further.
00:10:13.320 And these borders, by the way, this is also important, I mean, to put this in historical context, these borders have always been ephemeral.
00:10:19.360 They have always been moving and vague and fought over, right?
00:10:22.800 That is critical for us to view.
00:10:24.300 Here's the great news, Steve.
00:10:25.840 The United States, we have no reason to intervene.
00:10:29.300 We have no reason, frankly, to care about what happens in this struggle.
00:10:33.220 And I would say to those who are pro-intervention, and a lot of them have an R after their name, make the case to the American people and follow the proper procedures.
00:10:41.600 Go to the U.S. Congress.
00:10:42.780 We are already in a proxy war.
00:10:44.660 Go to the U.S. Congress and get, if not a declaration of war, then at least a resolution, at least have the decency to make your case in the legislative body of the United States of America.
00:10:54.300 Let's have a vote.
00:10:55.500 Let's get on the record.
00:10:57.000 Let's have this debate in the open.
00:10:58.100 No, we have to have, for all the constitutional conservatives in Conservative, Inc., and particularly those that are Zelensky fanboys, how about this?
00:11:08.320 How about a war powers resolution?
00:11:09.900 Here's, it's just like, I want to make sure, and I talked about this on John Frederick's show a little earlier.
00:11:14.640 We have two things before us that are central, that are massively signal, not noise, and have to be remedied now because we can't go forward on both of these.
00:11:26.080 Number one, the debt ceiling, the debt crisis, the financial crisis, the Treasury, you know, he's going to meet on Wednesday.
00:11:33.320 There's nothing to negotiate.
00:11:34.840 Biden's saying, I'm not going to negotiate.
00:11:36.180 It's got to be clean.
00:11:37.480 Until Treasury puts forward its model of exactly where are they going, not just between now and June when the cash is supposed to run out.
00:11:44.060 I want to see that, as anybody would do in these type of restructurings, reorganizations, or bankruptcies.
00:11:49.500 But more importantly, walk me through a couple of years.
00:11:52.400 Tell me, how is this sustainable?
00:11:54.940 It's not because every year you're going to have a trillion to $1.5 trillion deficit that's going to have to be financed by the Federal Reserve.
00:12:02.480 You're just going to have to print money.
00:12:03.880 And so we need to see their model for the nation, the financial situation of the country laid out in a mathematical model like anybody would ask for it, number one.
00:12:13.940 Number two, all conservative and constitutional conservatives, all of you, you must demand immediately that Joe Biden come before the nation, the Biden regime come before the nation in the House and ask for a war powers resolution.
00:12:30.900 Right. And in that, he should lay out the vital national security interests of the United States in this situation.
00:12:38.620 Our strategy, our objective, the interim objectives, and the amount of money it's going to take.
00:12:44.140 And exactly when, and he's got to be upfront, when American combat troops, the 101st Airborne that's on the border of Romania, when are they actually going to be in the fight?
00:12:52.760 Because it is impossible.
00:12:55.100 This is what Moe did.
00:12:56.000 This is impossible.
00:12:56.940 She's the one that took the 31 tanks over there back in 14. 1.00
00:12:59.920 It's impossible to put those tanks in theater into Ukraine.
00:13:04.060 It's impossible to put the F-16s unless you have American logisticians, you have maintenance, you have training, and that has to be American. 0.98
00:13:13.340 If you want to spring offensive, right, if you want to spring offensive like the Wehrmacht, if you want to spring offensive and you're going to be riding shotgun with tanks that have iron crosses on it, you, the American taxpayer, just think about it.
00:13:26.940 On the 80th anniversary of Stalingrad, and remember, the Bolsheviks and the communists and the KGB and the FSB are criminals. 0.83
00:13:37.020 They're criminal class. 0.98
00:13:38.000 They're the worst people on earth.
00:13:39.540 But the Russian people were our allies, okay?
00:13:42.400 The Russian people were our allies, just like Lao Baixing and the Chinese people were our allies.
00:13:48.080 And they were double dealt by Mao Zedong and the criminal gangsters in the CCP.
00:13:52.900 And quite frankly, they weren't exactly choir boys over with Chiang Kai-shek.
00:13:58.240 The leaders of both of those were bandits, okay, and thieves and criminals of both the Russian and the Chinese people. 1.00
00:14:05.020 Without the Chinese people and without the Russian people taking the hammer blows of the Nazis and taking the hammer blows of the Imperial Japanese Army, there would have been no victory in World War II, at least in the time frame. 0.81
00:14:15.780 And trust me, there have been millions more American boys and girls dead in that war.
00:14:20.860 We are hurtling to, this is 1937, and right now they're doing a bait and switch.
00:14:26.760 We must force Biden to come to Congress to make the case for the liberation of Crimea.
00:14:33.960 Before you start a spring offensive, what do we do?
00:14:36.680 This is not doubling down.
00:14:37.800 This is quadrupling down.
00:14:40.400 Short break.
00:14:40.960 Josh Hammer, Newsweek, is going to join Cortez, Ben Burkroy, and myself in the war room.
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00:16:04.860 Welcome back.
00:16:10.700 Remember, this is all about, at first, and Cortez remembers this, this is all about the self-determination.
00:16:21.200 Here is their mantra.
00:16:21.980 The self-determination, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine in the Ukrainian period.
00:16:28.020 Remember that, Cortez?
00:16:29.440 Yeah.
00:16:29.600 Of course, that should be the southern border of the country.
00:16:32.300 We're interested in the territorial integrity, the sovereignty, and the self-determination of the citizens of the United States, and particularly, you know, now that every town is a border town, you know, the popular sovereignty, the sovereignty of that.
00:16:44.780 But we're going to get back to Anne-Marie Slaughter.
00:16:47.600 We're going to get back to all this because it's very important.
00:16:49.780 People don't realize, and this is where we're getting ourselves into because most people don't truly understand the history of World War II, and it's not your fault.
00:16:57.800 It's been presented as the good war, and it's, you know, Studs Terkel and Brokow with the best and the greatest generation, and you can't question the valor, the valor and courage of my dad's generation, those people that came up in the 1920s, 1930s, and fought in World War II.
00:17:17.820 But the, but it's presented as the good war, and it's taught to American kids, Pearl Harbor, Normandy, Holocaust, that's it, that's World War II.
00:17:29.160 That's not, World War II was a war of annihilation, okay, annihilation, and from 1914 to the fall of the Berlin Wall, about 250, 200, 250 million people were slaughtered with political violence.
00:17:47.520 In the bloodlands, by the way, what we're talking about from Poland all the way down, principally Ukraine, 14 million people between 1930 and 1945, 14 million people, right?
00:17:59.160 Killed by political violence, not even in the war that was being fought, and that includes the 5 million that Stalin starved to death in the Ukraine, and the Ukraine being Kansas. 0.68
00:18:09.940 So the people essentially in Kansas were starved to death, right? Couldn't eat the crops that they built.
00:18:15.480 There was also the Holocaust with 6 million. Principally all the camps were in the bloodlands, and all of the, all the Jewish people killed essentially were Russian or Polish Jews.
00:18:27.480 There were some from Hungary and Germany and all that, but all from the bloodlands.
00:18:32.220 People don't understand, as World War II went on, the violence, the degradation, and the annihilation got worse.
00:18:42.140 It got worse. As things often do in war.
00:18:45.400 It's the law of unintended consequences, and people get their backs up, and people start to get angry, and it becomes vengeance.
00:18:50.220 The original goal is dropped, and that's what you're seeing here.
00:18:55.540 Remember, this has gone in this last week.
00:18:58.420 Did we have a big national debate on tanks?
00:19:00.300 Once you put tanks in, you've shifted the type of war you're fighting.
00:19:04.280 Now it's combined arms, and they're talking about close air support with F-16s, right?
00:19:09.740 The F-16 combat aircraft, combat patrol up above with American pilots because these guys can't fly F-16s.
00:19:15.240 It's not going to be a fly F-16s. I don't want to hear it, right?
00:19:17.660 Oh, they can fly F-16s. You watch.
00:19:20.160 You're about to get into an offensive war to liberate Ukraine.
00:19:24.900 Steve Cortez, before I bring Josh Hammer here, what are the odds, what's the over and under on liberating Crimea without tactical nuclear weapons, sir?
00:19:35.000 It is a zero in my view, and I say that because, look, if you put Vladimir Putin and the Russian people in that kind of a corner,
00:19:43.400 they will feel that they have no other option than to go nuclear.
00:19:47.200 And here's the point, Steve. Again, the asymmetry of this, right?
00:19:51.100 In other words, it's not a balanced risk-reward. What does Crimea mean to the United States?
00:19:56.380 What is the vital U.S. national interest in retaking Crimea, a place that has now been fully in Russian hands for almost a decade,
00:20:04.200 and a place which, as you point out, has been fought over for many, many centuries,
00:20:08.220 a place that is always in hot dispute but thankfully is of no consequence to the United States.
00:20:15.020 So this kind of escalation, this kind of acceleration, okay, it only serves the interests of the Davoset, of the defense contractors,
00:20:24.320 of the Washington war machine, of the oligarchs both in Russia as well as in Ukraine.
00:20:28.880 It does not serve the interests of regular Russians, of regular Ukrainians who are suffering the most of all,
00:20:35.180 and it certainly does not serve the interests of the deplorables here in the United States,
00:20:39.040 who right now are borrowing mountains of money to spend on a war in which we have no U.S. national interest,
00:20:45.320 and at times, or in time, may well be called upon to risk the lives of our brave sons and daughters in a needless, endless war,
00:20:54.840 and yet another intervention from the very same people, by the way, Steve, I think this is important,
00:20:59.100 the very same people, the supposed experts of the Washington Foreign Policy Establishment,
00:21:04.100 who brought us through two decades of needless war all over the world, are looking to do it again.
00:21:09.460 Again, we cannot allow it.
00:21:12.460 The best and the brightest with Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:21:16.220 Let's go. I want to talk about popular sovereignty.
00:21:18.320 Of course, Newsweek's got this incredible op-ed page.
00:21:21.300 You're always bringing diverse opinions, both from the left and the right.
00:21:24.980 Josh Hammer, the editor over there.
00:21:26.560 Josh, your piece, because every now and again you write a piece also.
00:21:30.960 Talk to us about this piece and about popular sovereignty, sir.
00:21:35.520 Sure. So, you know, it's funny.
00:21:37.120 The themes of what you and Cortez were just talking about actually directly play into the theme of this column.
00:21:42.580 So what happened last week, the hook that I used to write this piece,
00:21:45.720 was Attorney General Steve Marshall of Alabama wrote a letter to Kevin McCarthy,
00:21:50.320 basically urging him to do what he could.
00:21:53.420 Admittedly, obviously, Republicans only control one of two houses in Congress.
00:21:56.660 But this letter from the 16 state AGs was basically urging McCarthy to do what they could
00:22:01.780 to get the Biden administration to stop trying to use the legalese of emergency footing.
00:22:07.820 Because currently speaking, HHS, the FDA, CDC, all the various other kind of alphabet soup agencies
00:22:13.860 that control the biomedical security state there in Washington, D.C.,
00:22:17.200 they're still operating as if COVID-19 is an emergency.
00:22:21.340 And that has tangible ramifications for vaccine, for mandates, for mask mandates.
00:22:26.800 Just a week and a half, two weeks ago, I think it was, the Biden administration announced that they were going to appeal
00:22:31.040 this heroic ruling from Judge Catherine Mizell here in Florida last April
00:22:35.920 that put a national moratorium on the mask mandate.
00:22:38.320 So finally, almost a year later, the Biden administration is now going to appeal that
00:22:41.960 because of what other reason?
00:22:43.420 Because it's a health emergency.
00:22:44.780 And, you know, the broader theme of this column, which, you know, you saw right there in the title,
00:22:48.560 progressivism versus popular sovereignty, whether it's what Cortez was just talking about,
00:22:53.060 whether it's the Davos set, whether it's the jet-setting elites versus the deplorables
00:22:56.800 versus kind of the national interest, whether it is happening on the international stage.
00:23:01.140 I mean, you know, our mutual friend, Matthew Tierman, has been on the show so many times
00:23:04.160 to talk about what has happened recently in Brazil between their leftist Supreme Court and Bolsonaro.
00:23:08.800 You know, the column that I wrote for Newsweek prior to this column
00:23:11.720 was about the judicial reform debate that is currently happening in Israel.
00:23:16.640 Very similar kind of issue.
00:23:18.020 You have the right-leaning populace or right-leaning government
00:23:20.540 going head-to-head against a leftist, secular, liberal, elite Supreme Court.
00:23:24.740 So it's the same theme everywhere.
00:23:26.760 It's the same theme no matter where you look,
00:23:29.180 whether it's happening domestically on the COVID front, internationally,
00:23:32.660 in the Donbass region, Israel, Brazil, Poland, Hungary, you name it.
00:23:36.320 And this theme is we the people, you know, in this age of populism,
00:23:40.800 in this age of kind of popular sovereignty, of national populism,
00:23:44.000 versus globalism, versus the Davos lead-in.
00:23:46.800 You know, Steve, you're the last person in the world, I need to say this.
00:23:49.300 You were obviously very prescient in kind of seeing the rise of this entire paradigm
00:23:53.080 in this phenomenon.
00:23:54.180 But I just chose to kind of underscore this particular COVID example
00:23:57.720 just to shine a broader spotlight, especially in the aftermath of Davos.
00:24:01.180 But I think you can just draw a line so easily from Davos to COVID to Ukraine.
00:24:05.020 All these issues are operating on the exact same paradigm.
00:24:07.860 And that, above all, is a theme that I was trying to get across.
00:24:12.100 No, it's absolutely brilliant.
00:24:13.460 How can the audience get engaged on this?
00:24:17.860 I mean, this is the most engaged, you know, activist, grassroots audience out there.
00:24:22.580 When you say one of the things we try to do is bring those stories
00:24:24.960 and those narratives from other countries so they understand this is all kind of one fight.
00:24:29.800 What would be your recommendation for people, one, to learn more,
00:24:33.020 but also to use their agency to fight this?
00:24:37.100 Josh Hammer, where would you say the little guy should start?
00:24:42.300 Yeah, it's a great question.
00:24:43.340 Look, I mean, there's any number of kind of smaller kind of upstart organizations out there.
00:24:48.000 Obviously, this program is one of them.
00:24:49.940 You know, I would like to think, and Newsweek's opinion page,
00:24:52.480 despite the fact that Newsweek is obviously a traditional media brand,
00:24:55.500 we try to publish as many dissident voices as possible.
00:24:59.000 You know, we've published Cortez many times as but one example there.
00:25:02.200 So, you know, I would encourage you to go to our op-ed page,
00:25:05.160 any number of them, also just smaller organizations.
00:25:07.120 So I'm also a research fellow at the Edmund Burke Foundation,
00:25:09.520 which is the organization that puts on these national conservatism conferences.
00:25:13.820 If you go to our website, nationalconservatism.org,
00:25:16.560 we are constantly trying to put up good quality content,
00:25:19.480 whether it's essays, podcasts, videos, speeches, all of the above,
00:25:22.820 just trying to kind of show you that there is another way to kind of,
00:25:26.340 you know, free market fundamentalism, globalism, neoliberalism,
00:25:29.820 whatever you want to call that, there basically is another example.
00:25:32.560 I'll give a quick shout-out to Orrin Cass of American Compass as well.
00:25:36.000 That's a think tank that I've been a member of basically since the day it got going
00:25:39.080 almost three years ago now.
00:25:40.280 That's a wonderful organization trying to kind of put the intellectual kind of meat
00:25:44.200 on the bone, so to speak, when it comes to onshoring,
00:25:47.380 reshoring manufacturing, supply chains, semiconductors,
00:25:51.140 all these kind of various other kind of, you know,
00:25:53.400 national populist kind of issues that really matter in today's day and age, frankly.
00:25:57.720 But, you know, from a grassroots perspective, how do you get out there?
00:26:00.240 You know, the number one thing that I always tell people when I get asked this question
00:26:03.240 is you've got to start local.
00:26:04.560 You know, it is so much easier to make an impact at a local level than at a national level.
00:26:08.500 Everyone can kind of watch cable news, can watch Fox News,
00:26:11.560 can shout until the sun goes down at night,
00:26:13.680 but it's just so much easier to get out there,
00:26:15.300 whether it means running for school board,
00:26:16.940 just going to your local community center.
00:26:18.980 That is where you actually change hearts and minds.
00:26:21.220 So I think for most people, that's really the best place to start.
00:26:26.780 Josh, how do people get to you?
00:26:29.220 How do they get to the social media?
00:26:30.540 And I want everybody to become an active reader of the Newsweek op-ed section,
00:26:35.280 particularly the dissident voices on the left are very powerful to also understand their arguments.
00:26:40.100 Where do people go to get you and where do they go to get Newsweek?
00:26:43.620 Yeah, so Newsweek is just newsweek.com slash opinion.
00:26:46.120 I have a weekly newsletter also called The Josh Hammer Report,
00:26:48.860 and my podcast there is called The Josh Hammer Show.
00:26:50.920 You can find all that on the website.
00:26:52.800 And then just on Twitter, I'm Josh underscore Hammer,
00:26:55.800 and then on Getter also, Josh underscore Hammer.
00:27:00.040 Josh, thank you for making time to come on today.
00:27:03.080 I appreciate it.
00:27:04.080 Anytime, Steve.
00:27:06.600 The reason I wanted to have that on this morning,
00:27:08.700 it actually connects the dots, right,
00:27:11.260 by using this emergency use authorization with the COVID of exactly what's at stake in Ukraine,
00:27:17.980 and what's at stake in this debt ceiling.
00:27:19.760 I'll tell you what, we're going to talk about a popular supply.
00:27:22.200 First thing we're going to do, we're going to come back.
00:27:23.440 We've got Ben Burquam.
00:27:24.420 I got him for two things before he's got a bolt.
00:27:26.600 One is about this amazing rally last night in Arizona around Cary Lake.
00:27:31.320 Cortez is going to stick with me.
00:27:32.840 We've also got Ben.
00:27:34.060 We've got some amazing footage from down in the Darien Gap.
00:27:37.620 We're going to get to all of it.
00:27:38.400 Short commercial break.
00:27:39.240 Ben Burquam, Steve Cortez after a short break in the war room.
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00:29:20.820 But they have the corrupt election officials with them.
00:29:26.480 That's how they win.
00:29:28.000 That's how they win.
00:29:28.880 And guess who else they have with them?
00:29:30.540 The corrupt members of the fake news.
00:29:33.620 It's terrible.
00:29:34.440 So we all know there was corruption all across this great country,
00:29:43.420 but nowhere, nowhere in the country was it more blatant and obvious
00:29:48.140 than what happened right here in Maricopa County.
00:29:51.260 I wish I could share every bit of testimony we have,
00:29:54.600 every bit of sworn documentation that we have.
00:29:58.820 So here's what we're going to do, because we're absolutely jammed for time,
00:30:01.600 is that this rally last night was incredible,
00:30:05.480 and Ben Burkwam's interview beforehand was incredible.
00:30:09.900 Our own Nicole Negrady asked a couple of great questions,
00:30:12.820 that they had a press gaggle like a presidential candidate.
00:30:16.660 We don't have time for all of it, but we're going to put it all up
00:30:19.380 so you can see all of it, including Burkwam's incredible interview.
00:30:22.840 Ben, I was blown away.
00:30:26.500 I knew she was going to do a rally, but it was at the beginning.
00:30:28.700 It's in the first half of the Kansas City Chiefs, Cincinnati Bengals,
00:30:34.360 Mahomes versus Burrow.
00:30:36.700 The whole nation's watching, and there were thousands of people.
00:30:40.180 We cut it on and saw you outside beforehand.
00:30:41.960 I was absolutely blown away.
00:30:43.240 I said, oh, my Lord.
00:30:44.700 There are thousands of people there.
00:30:46.220 Ben, put us in the room.
00:30:47.100 What happened last night?
00:30:49.680 Yeah, it was incredible, Steve.
00:30:51.600 I mean, you know, I've been to most of her rallies that she was having pre-election.
00:30:55.700 This was the biggest one I've seen, and people are fired up.
00:30:59.260 And, you know, again, it was people came out there.
00:31:01.160 This is all about election integrity, election sovereignty,
00:31:03.780 and really fixing what the Democrats and the rhinos like Bill Gates and Stephen Richer caused in Arizona. 0.85
00:31:12.400 They clearly stole this election.
00:31:14.860 I mean, based on the evidence, there's no question about it.
00:31:16.960 And so you had, like you said, thousands, hundreds, if not, you know, several,
00:31:20.800 a couple thousand people show up, standing room only.
00:31:23.580 The fire marshal was actually called.
00:31:25.120 I don't know if that was Katie Hobbs who made the call,
00:31:26.900 but the fire marshal showed up and ended up having to remove about half of the room,
00:31:31.340 and then they waited outside.
00:31:32.600 They actually waited outside in the dark,
00:31:34.420 and then Carrie came outside afterwards to address them as well 0.95
00:31:38.380 because she wanted to make sure everyone who showed up had an opportunity to speak with her.
00:31:43.360 It's just really, it's something you haven't seen before.
00:31:45.840 It's really, I mean, it's very similar to what you see with President Trump.
00:31:49.860 There is a populist movement going on.
00:31:51.600 The people of Arizona aren't buying the lies that the left and that the establishment,
00:31:55.700 the McCain establishment, are selling.
00:31:57.380 They know the election was stolen, and they want to get to the bottom of it.
00:32:00.080 And that's where it's going.
00:32:01.000 The appeals court case, it's going to the appeals court this week on the 1st,
00:32:04.780 and ultimately we still anticipate it's going to go to the Supreme Court.
00:32:09.400 I just want you to reiterate that.
00:32:11.140 People don't understand that these folks, this is the backbone of the country.
00:32:14.440 These are hardworking, working class and middle class folks.
00:32:18.160 It's not even about Carrie Lake.
00:32:19.800 They are just not prepared to have their elections stolen.
00:32:22.760 Is that the tenor of it that you got, Ben?
00:32:26.220 A hundred percent.
00:32:27.960 And as you said, it's not just about Carrie Lake.
00:32:30.600 Carrie Lake is the fighter.
00:32:31.960 She's the tip of the spear in the fight in Arizona. 0.99
00:32:34.780 But it's so much bigger than that.
00:32:36.380 It's for the future of not just Arizona, but the future of this country.
00:32:39.020 They realize, the people that were there last night, and as you mentioned,
00:32:41.600 the demographics was everyone.
00:32:43.360 It was every color.
00:32:44.320 It was both genders. 1.00
00:32:45.340 It was ages from one years old up to 90 years old.
00:32:48.600 You had everybody there saying, we're not going to take this anymore.
00:32:51.740 If they're able to do this in Arizona, America's gone.
00:32:54.440 We saw it in 2020.
00:32:55.600 You did it to us again in 2022, but even worse, and we're not going to let this stand.
00:33:00.120 And so that's what we're seeing, that drumbeat of it stops here in Arizona,
00:33:04.680 or else, you know, again, the country's gone.
00:33:06.900 If we don't have fair elections, we'd just become another Venezuela. 0.82
00:33:09.880 And the people of Arizona aren't going to have that.
00:33:13.960 By the way, for all the establishment Republicans, understand,
00:33:17.880 if you can't sort this thing out now, you have zero chance of carrying Arizona in 2024.
00:33:22.560 You don't carry Arizona, you're going to have more of a Biden regime,
00:33:26.280 or offspring, or devil spawn of Biden regime.
00:33:30.140 Ben.
00:33:31.060 To that point, Steve, yeah, to that point, I mean, the people in that crowd last night,
00:33:34.960 I would even say are more upset with the establishment Republicans than the Democrats.
00:33:39.100 And we say this all the time, you know, the Democrats stab you in the front.
00:33:41.680 It's the establishment that stabs you in the back, and they're sick of it.
00:33:44.620 And we saw that with the fight, you know, for the RNC chair,
00:33:47.720 all of these elite wine-sipping, champagne-sipping, elitist Republicans thinking that they know better.
00:33:53.460 The people are fed up with it.
00:33:55.700 They're fed up with establishment who's willing to lose if it keeps their power.
00:34:00.860 That's the sad reality.
00:34:02.080 Look at what happened in California with the Republican Party out there.
00:34:05.400 We have these party apparatus that are comfortable losing as long as they get invited to the popular parties.
00:34:11.300 And the people, they're fed up with it.
00:34:13.560 They want people that are willing to stand up and fight like President Trump, like Carrie Lake.
00:34:17.920 And that's why they're coming out and backing people like that.
00:34:21.220 But, again, it's not – they're not necessarily the most important point, but they really are the face of the fight.
00:34:27.100 And that's why they love Carrie.
00:34:28.160 That's why they love President Trump so much.
00:34:29.540 In both Maine and in Arizona, over the weekend at the state level, they threw out establishment –
00:34:36.360 or basically Jeff DeWitt won, who was backed by President Trump, a MAGA guy.
00:34:40.900 And we actually had the establishment thrown out – big, thrown out in Maine.
00:34:44.600 Hang on for one second, Ben.
00:34:45.600 We're going to get back to your reporting of Darian Gap.
00:34:48.380 I want to get Cortez in there.
00:34:49.280 But I want to talk about the future of the country.
00:34:50.580 Can we play – if Denver could just pull – I want to play Anne-Marie Slaughter for a second.
00:34:55.420 And I want to make her – Steve Cortez wants to make her famous.
00:34:58.120 Let's roll.
00:34:59.440 President Zelensky turned 45 on Wednesday and got one of his biggest birthday wishes
00:35:04.880 when President Biden announced that the United States would send 31 M1 Abrams tanks to help with the fight.
00:35:12.320 Dozens more leopard tanks will come from Germany and other allies.
00:35:16.340 Ukraine had long been pleading for such heavy weapons from the West.
00:35:19.560 And this breakthrough came after what seemed to be a game of chicken between the United States and Germany
00:35:24.780 to see who would offer their tanks first.
00:35:27.760 Let's talk about the war and much more with today's terrific global panel.
00:35:31.840 Anne-Marie Slaughter is the former Director of Policy Planning at the State Department
00:35:35.800 and joins us from Princeton.
00:35:37.560 She is the President of New America.
00:35:39.700 Karl Bilt is a former Prime Minister of Sweden and joins us from Stockholm.
00:35:43.520 And Kishore Mahbubani is a former top Singaporean diplomat and joins us from Singapore.
00:35:49.560 Anne-Marie, what do you make of this, particularly the German decision?
00:35:56.220 Well, the German decision is extraordinary in just historical terms because, once again,
00:36:02.580 German tanks, panzers to most of the Russians and the Europeans will be fighting Russia. 0.55
00:36:09.400 They will not be rolling into Russia, or at least we certainly hope not.
00:36:12.760 So the kind of historical significance is enormous.
00:36:17.200 Really, though, what's most important about this...
00:36:19.800 Okay.
00:36:20.540 German panzers.
00:36:23.080 Steve Cortez.
00:36:24.860 This said on CNN yesterday, German panzers rolling across Ukraine, got the Iron Cross on it.
00:36:31.000 And, Justin Crane, certainly we hope, we certainly hope they don't go into Russia.
00:36:38.640 Right.
00:36:38.740 How do you think that's setting with the Russian people on Good Day Moscow this morning?
00:36:43.760 How do you think that's setting, sir?
00:36:45.340 Right.
00:36:45.700 Let's hope that they don't.
00:36:47.120 Let's keep our fingers crossed that they don't roll into Russia. 0.96
00:36:49.380 And, by the way, Anne-Marie Slaughter there was echoing what the German foreign minister said into a microphone.
00:36:54.600 We are at war with Russia. 0.74
00:36:55.900 Okay, that was a quote from the German foreign minister.
00:36:58.560 Well, how has that worked out historically?
00:37:00.340 Has that worked out well for the world?
00:37:01.940 Has it worked out well for Germany or Russia?
00:37:04.080 But Anne-Marie Slaughter, she's somebody who a lot of folks probably haven't heard about there,
00:37:08.340 but she's in many ways sort of the crown princess of American globalism.
00:37:12.820 She personifies the Washington foreign policy establishment.
00:37:17.200 And her organization I'd like to also highlight here, because a lot of folks, again, if you're not sort of in the weeds on this,
00:37:22.000 you might not have heard of New America Foundation.
00:37:24.520 But you can know who they are simply by, and to their credit, they do transparently put this on their website,
00:37:30.680 simply by going to the source of funding for New America, the place where Anne-Marie Slaughter is the CEO.
00:37:36.920 And if you go through that list, these are the biggest funders of New America.
00:37:39.880 These are the foundations.
00:37:41.240 Ford Foundation, Rockefeller, Gates, Bloomberg, Walton of the Walmart Family Foundation, Schmidt Foundation of the founder of Google.
00:37:49.880 Okay, these are the kinds of people, these are the oligarchs, and I mean for big money, by the way.
00:37:54.860 These aren't $5,000 contributions.
00:37:56.560 These are all well into the millions.
00:37:58.980 The oligarchs are funding New America.
00:38:01.840 New America, in turn, is pushing a massive escalation of this war in Ukraine and trying desperately to get the United States and its allies in NATO to directly intervene,
00:38:12.000 not just indirectly, realize who these people are and what their aims are.
00:38:16.500 You know, Steve, I often bring up on the show, qui bono, which is a Latin phrase that was a principle of jurisprudence in the Roman Republic and their courts particularly.
00:38:25.960 Who benefits?
00:38:26.700 Qui bono?
00:38:27.460 Who benefits?
00:38:28.060 Who benefits from this war?
00:38:29.440 It's certainly not the people of Ukraine. 0.98
00:38:31.160 It's not the deplorables in the United States.
00:38:33.460 It's the oligarchs. 0.84
00:38:34.460 It's people with names like Gates and Walton and Ford.
00:38:37.920 It's people like Anne-Marie Slaughter.
00:38:39.520 It's Lockheed Martin.
00:38:40.860 It's the Davos crowd.
00:38:42.040 Qui bono?
00:38:42.640 Who benefits?
00:38:43.260 In this case, it is the globalists.
00:38:45.040 It is not the taxpayer of America.
00:38:48.040 It certainly is not the young Americans, the brave young Americans who wear our uniform, thousands of whom are deployed on the border of Ukraine right now,
00:38:55.660 inviting a very, very dangerous conflagration with the second most potent nuclear power in the world, Russia, 0.82
00:39:02.060 over a battle, over an ethnic battle that has no relevance to the United States.
00:39:07.920 That's the reality here.
00:39:08.940 But it's important for us to know who these people are, what their motivations are, what their incentives are, and what the funding is most of all.
00:39:16.800 By the way, they're not on the border.
00:39:18.600 The 101st is not on the border of the southern United States.
00:39:20.640 Can we play the package?
00:39:21.420 I want to bring Ben Burkwam in for Cortez's favorite topic, the invasion of our country, 0.70
00:39:25.700 a border that is in the vital national security interest of the United States of America.
00:39:29.920 That's the southern border of our own beloved nation.
00:39:32.420 Let's play Burkwam's package from Darien Gap.
00:39:35.540 This is just a fake advertising for the Democrats.
00:39:47.060 You don't show this, Kamala Harris.
00:39:48.860 You don't show the kids walking through the jungle.
00:39:52.740 Alejandro Mallorca, you don't show that.
00:39:54.840 Joe Biden, your borders are not closed.
00:39:58.020 They're still open.
00:39:58.960 People are going.
00:39:59.420 So we're here to shut your mouth, tell you, get to work, protect your country, start doing things right.
00:40:08.080 Real America's Voice News bringing you the real news on our way to Panama from Colombia.
00:40:12.720 We just made it up this first big hill down behind me.
00:40:29.480 And you can just see the people struggling.
00:40:34.820 You've got moms with kids. 0.98
00:40:38.300 There's ladies in their 80s that are coming across this way. 1.00
00:40:42.540 You got infants, one year old and under.
00:40:46.620 And we're on day one.
00:40:49.560 These people are, it may take them six, seven, sometimes 20 days.
00:40:52.860 It's unbelievable.
00:40:55.280 This is what the Democrats are inviting.
00:40:56.760 They say, oh, it's easy.
00:40:57.800 You have a right to go anywhere you want.
00:40:59.540 They don't tell them that you may die in the jungle.
00:41:02.320 These people are not, not prepared for what they're walking into.
00:41:07.940 And they're going to try to take that baby 60 miles through this.
00:41:15.500 On top of potentially getting molested, robbed, child abuse.
00:41:23.780 This poor girl back there is already passing out. 1.00
00:41:25.680 We're two hours into a six-day journey.
00:41:32.180 They don't know what they're getting into.
00:41:33.740 They really don't.
00:41:35.620 They're trying to push her.
00:41:37.760 You can barely walk.
00:41:45.500 We made it to the top of the mountain.
00:41:54.220 There's still another hour to go down.
00:41:56.640 But this stuff is no joke.
00:41:58.200 And this is literally the first two hours of the first day
00:42:01.360 for these people that are making the journey across the Darien.
00:42:07.200 And as we're heading down the mountain,
00:42:09.940 you've got another group coming up hour after hour, day after day.
00:42:15.500 We just came back down, two hours back down.
00:42:22.720 And this is just the tip of the iceberg for these people.
00:42:26.180 The people at the back there that are already falling behind.
00:42:30.320 Absolute nightmare.
00:42:31.900 It's a death sentence for many.
00:42:37.160 Cortez, 300,000 across our border in the month of December alone, sir.
00:42:42.420 That's as much as the field marshal Paulus surrendered to the Russians tomorrow 80 years ago.
00:42:49.100 And it's the size of Patton's Third Army.
00:42:53.800 Yes or no, sir?
00:42:54.600 We're going to hold you through the break.
00:42:55.760 Is that a national security issue for the United States of America we just saw?
00:42:59.940 Yes, of course.
00:43:01.320 Of course.
00:43:01.700 Steve Cortez, Ben Burquam after the break about what is really in America's interest
00:43:09.840 and where it is in our interest.
00:43:11.760 Next, in the war room.
00:43:13.380 We will fight till they're all gone.
00:43:15.560 We rejoice when there's no more.
00:43:17.460 Let's take down the CCP.
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00:45:07.220 Okay, over the weekend we were up on Getter watching everything with President Trump, and
00:45:14.240 we also had the great Carrie Lake, Ben Burkwam, all of it.
00:45:17.440 Also, I want to make sure the audience, I expressed a little bit on John Fredericks today.
00:45:22.380 There's a lot to talk about about the RNC.
00:45:25.500 So just take, I understand you guys are still worked up.
00:45:28.100 Whatever you do, don't send them any money.
00:45:29.920 Just take a deep breath.
00:45:32.320 There's going to be a program and a plan for all of it.
00:45:34.220 Just take a deep breath.
00:45:35.300 But what happened in Maine and what happened in Arizona are quite important to take back
00:45:39.420 these state parties, the precinct strategy, all of it.
00:45:42.920 Burkwam, what did we just see before we went to break? 1.00
00:45:45.500 Tell us about what that part of the Darien Gap was.
00:45:50.160 That was actually, it's really a significant part of our trip when we were down there.
00:45:53.760 We were on the Columbia side.
00:45:54.660 This was about four days before we did the entire trek across the Darien Gap, and we were
00:45:58.840 basically just testing the waters.
00:46:00.520 We went out with a group of illegal migrants, and you could see all those people wearing
00:46:04.600 the orange vests.
00:46:05.660 Those are basically smugglers who offer their services to the illegals that are going across,
00:46:10.780 and for a fee, they will carry their bags for certain periods of this.
00:46:14.820 By the time, they're basically with them for the first day, and then they bounce and let
00:46:18.780 these people just ultimately end up wandering through the jungle, in many cases, to get to where
00:46:23.180 they're going. This was prior to Centerfront, the special forces of Border Patrol for Panama
00:46:28.100 inviting us, escorting us across the entire Darien Gap, and what that shows you is just
00:46:33.200 the brutality and the total lack of understanding of what the people are getting themselves into.
00:46:39.860 We walked that, and it's, I mean, I was, by the end of that day, I was dead.
00:46:43.540 I was beat. I was exhausted, and I'm a fit guy, and I'm watching these women and children
00:46:48.620 just struggle up these mountains having no clue what they're walking into, and this was
00:46:55.400 right after we had been with the United Nations as they're handing out condoms and birth control
00:47:00.180 to these women that are heading into these mountains knowing that they're going to be 1.00
00:47:03.520 raped. I mean, it's such a disaster. It's hard to comprehend unless you're actually there
00:47:08.780 witnessing it with your own eyes.
00:47:10.240 Ben, how do people get to you in all this insane footage? It's amazing, plus the interview
00:47:17.060 last night with Carrie Lake. Where do people go to get all of it?
00:47:20.880 All the social media is at Ben Berquam. Last name is B-E-R-G-Q-U-A-M, and Real America's
00:47:27.080 Voice News. Again, we're just touching the tip of the iceberg. We still have so much content
00:47:30.720 that's coming out of this trip. It's americasvoice.news. You've got to download the app.
00:47:34.960 That's where you get all of this content, and then I've got some stories. The great Carrie 0.99
00:47:38.600 Donovan writing stories for me at frontlineamerica.com. So on all those places, you'll be able to
00:47:43.780 find it. And again, this is the first of many trips. We've got a few things planned coming
00:47:48.440 down the road that are just going to shock people. And really, the most important thing
00:47:52.160 on all of this is expose the fraudulent media that is a huge part of pushing this invasion
00:47:57.960 of our southern border and the death of these people.
00:48:01.860 By the way, Carrie Donovan is a true warrior. That is a warrior right there. I'm glad to know
00:48:06.100 she's writing these things up. I also want to give a shout out to Rob Sieg and the Real
00:48:10.000 America's Voice team. What news organization in the world would have a team of investigative
00:48:14.640 reporters on this perilous journey in the Darien Gap and then have Ben Burkwine fly back and
00:48:19.980 Amanda Head do amazing coverage? The coverage of the Carrie Lake thing was huge, and it was
00:48:25.360 a major news story because it shows you the drive of this thing. And of course, Fox and other
00:48:29.400 the mainstream media even covered it. But that shows you the reach and the scale of
00:48:33.380 Real America's Voice. Ben, thank you so much.
00:48:36.340 Yes, sir.
00:48:36.940 And it's God's grace that you're back in one piece with Oscar Blue and Michael
00:48:42.020 Yan, the Atari team, Chuck Holton. Thank you, brother.
00:48:45.340 Yes, sir. Thank you, sir.
00:48:48.580 Cortez, we want to play your chalk talk and sect out all together, but just on the surface of it,
00:48:52.780 the Russian-speaking eastern border of Ukraine, which, by the way, they control now 100%,
00:48:59.380 and Crimea. People should understand the Crimean War, 1853 to 1856, British and the Ottoman Turks
00:49:06.680 versus the Russians at Sebastopol, Yalta, all of it. The Americans knew this thing was going to be 0.84
00:49:11.700 so bloody, they sent an observer. That would be George McClellan, as a young officer, went over to
00:49:16.620 understand, to figure out the scale and brutality of that war. Steve Cortez, compare that to what you
00:49:21.960 just saw coming up to the United States via the Darien Gap.
00:49:24.680 Right. Now, the contrast, of course, is stark, and it reveals what should be our priority,
00:49:29.940 which is the lawless and porous and really effectively open southern border of the United
00:49:34.100 States. And Steve, as a citizen of this great republic, my first concern always is America first.
00:49:40.400 But it's also important for us to realize what we are inflicted, the damage that this policy is
00:49:45.240 inflicting upon Latin America. And Ben Birkbaum is doing amazing reporting there from my ancestral
00:49:50.480 homeland of Colombia. And look at the misery that we are inviting upon Mexico, Central America, 0.99
00:49:56.900 and all the way into South America. Colombia is a country, unfortunately, that is really trending in
00:50:01.920 the wrong direction right now, largely its own doing. It just elected a hyper leftist leader in
00:50:07.360 petro, but they have double digit inflation. They now have a migrant crisis, particularly from Venezuela,
00:50:12.280 but largely caused because Joe Biden insists on incentivizing and inviting in untold masses of
00:50:21.520 trespassers into the United States. So realize that the domino effect of that policy extends all the
00:50:28.100 way into Latin America. The left wants us to believe that there's something compassionate about an open
00:50:33.460 border. There's nothing compassionate about it, OK? And an area, by the way, there's never a power vacuum
00:50:38.440 that lasts for very long. When legitimate law enforcement pulls out and stops enforcing borders,
00:50:44.420 there will be enforcement. The enforcement is simply by extra governmental organizations, in this case,
00:50:50.040 cartels, some of the worst, most dangerous and now best funded cartels in the entire planet. I don't think
00:50:56.360 we can emphasize that part of this equation enough. How much money, because of Joe Biden, has been
00:51:02.060 transferred in the last two years to the cartels of Latin America, particularly the Mexican cartels,
00:51:07.400 Mexican cartels who are now effectively in control of the southern border and in many ways threatening
00:51:12.840 the legitimate government of Mexico. If Mexico becomes a full-on narco state, something that
00:51:17.580 Colombia teetered with back in the 1980s, imagine the ramifications for the United States if we have
00:51:22.720 that right on our border. Those are the kinds of risks we are taking with this unmerciful and ludicrous
00:51:29.560 policy of inviting mass trespassing into the United States.
00:51:33.440 We're going to start, we're going to take a commercial break, 90 seconds, and when we come
00:51:38.680 back, we've got Michael and Dilbert, we're going to keep Steve Cortez for a second, because Steve
00:51:43.460 Cortez has got a chalk talk that's going to tie a lot together. But is there any question, sir, in your
00:51:49.100 mind, and this is why we got forced Biden to come with a war powers resolution declaration, is anything
00:51:55.100 in Ukraine in the vital national security interest of the United States, Steve Cortez?
00:52:00.400 No, absolutely not. And if they believe it is, make the case. Make your case to the American people.
00:52:05.840 Make the case. And let's have a vote. And let's record that vote. So we know who voted for what
00:52:13.040 when. We're not going to allow this be Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. We're not going to sleepwalk 1.00
00:52:19.060 into this. Not as long as the war room's around. Cortez, Mike Lindell, next, in the war room, 90 seconds.
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