Episode 2483： Who Are Benefitting From The War Machine
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On this day in World War II, 80 years ago to this day, on the last Sunday of every month, the Battle of Stalingrad is commemorated. 80 years to the day that the Nazis surrendered at the city that was the most ghastly military disaster in German history.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a
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belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world
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to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go
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to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience
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ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country
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this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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the heroic defense of stalingrad the soviet army turning the nazis six months or so
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into the most ghastly military disaster in german history
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hands held high the beaten nazis pour from house after house in abject surrender
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hitler's generals give up too 24 including a field marshal here is lieutenant general fondaniel
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lieutenant general san commanded hitler's pride the crack 100th division that smashed through belgium
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and france berlin says that german generals never surrender
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germany's romanian allies brigadier general dimitriou commander of the 20th romanian infantry
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suffers the same fate as that of his german colleagues
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five more axis generals who failed at the stalingrad hitler vowed he'd take
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lieutenant general schlemer whose 14th tank corps helped conquer holland
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lieutenant general von trevor whose 297th infantry invaded greece
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lieutenant general rinaldi medical chief of the 6th german army
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biggest catch of all field marshal frederick von paulus commander in chief of all axis armies
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at stalingrad taken to headquarters of general schumeloff for questioning von paulus has much
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to answer for he is the man who ordered the extermination of every civilian in stalingrad
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calmly quietly general schumeloff reviews von paulus record this is the von paulus who two months
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before threatened the families of his own soldiers with death if one man should surrender
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80 years ago today one of the takeaways there is all the best uh generals all the best troops
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that swept through uh europe at the beginning of world war ii that swept in and took paris uh led to
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dunkirk all of it were all transferred this is the best of the best this war in the eastern front was
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fought at a scale that's incomprehensible that army was at one time over 300 000 troops that's the size
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of patton's army which was i think our biggest army in in europe that broke out of normandy and swept
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across france and then saved the uh the 101st of baston the famous patent army was the size of that and
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these guys had a lot of those type of army groups at leningrad outside of moscow at kursk all of it
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the scale of this steve cortez uh people don't understand the scale is totally different and if
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you had asked patten and eisenhower and general marshall and montgomery and all of them uh would
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would you know about 80 years later 80 years to the day that stalingrad fell and remember to talk
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about the it's a different type of warfare polis the field marshal who surrendered was going to
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exterminate every civilian in stalingrad they had already exterminated killed they already killed
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100 000 not millions including 30 000 jews at kiev i think that's where that memorial is this was this
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was a killing machine started 300 000 they surrendered i think they only had 90 000 only 5 000 of the
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original 300 000 ever got back to germany um a scale and a barbarity and here again we are you the
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taxpayer this audience you're underwriting and the republican party neocon um insane hawks are pushing
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this uh this is being pushed by the united states of america and the leaders of nato just understand
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what's going on here right i'm not sure even most of the ukrainian people are in on this deal right now
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they're pushing this they want a land war we're putting main battle tanks and those tanks that
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they're forcing the germans to put over there got the iron cross on them so i just want you to understand
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that your tax dollars and your sons and daughters are going to be going across ukraine with tanks to the
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left of them they got the iron cross on it 80 years from when this slaughter took place okay from when
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this slaughter took place that's where we are today and here's the objective the objective is crimea
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the objective is now the ever their spring offensive to crimea and now we're getting reports i've got
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one up on on getter right now that shows that hey uh there's a there's a winter offensive because
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the russians know how to fight in winter right they use winter as a as a strategic weapon uh they're
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about to you know deliver another hammer blow and what you're going to end up with steve cortez is
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you got 40 or 50 000 dead women and children in ukraine right now you're going to end up with a
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lot more dead women and children sir donald trump says he could fit in the 24 hours what are your
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thoughts uh amen and i think he could i've been saying that for many months right if we were a
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serious country right now what we would be doing is de-escalating is forcing both sides to get to the
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negotiating table and there would be no one on earth better to lead those negotiations than donald
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trump i really believe that that within a matter of hours or days at most we would have a sensible
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resolution of both sides instead we continue to massively escalate at great human cost to the
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people on the ground there and at great peril and risk and and and financial cost to the united states
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you're very right steve to to put this current crisis in the context of history of the centuries
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of blood loss in that part of the world now looking at this current crisis though here here's the good
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news the good news is that if we are dispassionate about it if we take a realistic assessment of the
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situation uh geographically speaking it is a regional confrontation it really is it doesn't have
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wider ramifications unless we force it to uh and when we look at it from an ethnic perspective
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this is a blood feud a slavic blood feud between the ukrainians and the russians that has gone on
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for centuries and it may well go on for centuries from here but thankfully involves no strategic u.s
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national security interest by the way when i talk about keeping our heads uh let me tell you who's not
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keeping their heads right now are some folks in western europe and this is some very good reporting out
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from breitbart about what denmark is actually proposing if we can pull up uh slide number one chart one
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please i want to show this this was reported by breitbart that the defense chief of breitbart
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actually calls for the drafting for the military conscription of women because of the russian threat
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now listen if the danish and there's the quote from breitbart changing laws surrounding conscription
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to allow everyone including women from the defense minister of denmark if the danish steve want to go
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down this ridiculous road this absurdity and if they want to inflict this cruelty upon the women
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of their society and pretend that it is worth risking their lives to intervene in this black sea
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regional struggle that's on denmark okay we in the united states across an ocean with our own border
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problem a very real very very present border problem here in the united states we need to say europe if you
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really believe it's that that uh you're ultimately a problem for you that it is for you to take care of
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you have all of the resources economic and military that you need uh to take care of it your neighborhood
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your backyard your problem because listen this is not here here and zelensky is not our fighter
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the the reason that these radical regimes got to start conscripting the women for this conscripting
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the women drafting them is that the guys aren't signing up in germany was reported a couple of weeks ago
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that the highest rate of conscientious objectors now sitting there going i don't know now they they're
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going to be thrown in the young in europe are going to be thrown into the chernel house how many times
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do we have to do this ladies and gentlemen because now it's on your shoulders the responsibility of
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this audience we must force biden and all the constitutional conservatives out there i'm tired of
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all the talk about the constitution let's see some action about the constitution let's get and i'm not
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so sure the war power is active actually taking up is constitutional but it's what we got right now
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he must be forced to come to the house and make a presentation about what that what's the plan
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what are the objectives what's the strategy as steve cortez continues to hammer why is in the vital
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national security interest of the united states they're going to start the hearings on the southern
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border next week we know the southern border is in the vital national security interest of the united
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states why is the eastern russian-speaking border of ukraine 8 000 miles away why is that in the vital
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national security interest i tell you who doesn't think so the young men of germany the young men of
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denmark they're not signing up you don't see these people sign up go over there it just announced the
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other day the united kingdom and we're going to get into the united some economics here we're going to
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get uh we're going to get uh dave walsh in here about the uk economy and energy the united kingdom
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our greatest part of the nato protector because they're not an ally can they can deliver one
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combat division one combat division let me put that in perspective of the german army that surrendered
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80 years ago today okay a division is roughly 10 000 people right now the brits with all their cuts
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they can come up with one combat division okay there were essentially 30 combat divisions or what was
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left of them that that either were defeated killed or surrendered at stalingrad 30 that's the difference
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you're talking about oh by the way it's also happens to be the number of illegal aliens across
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the border in the united states in the month of december just to connect the dot there
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cortez we must just like on the financial mccarthy tomorrow must force these guys no deal nothing put on
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the table give them to give you the model we need to see we need a war powers resolution and biden to
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step to the place because this is nato the united states versus russia let's just cut the cut the nonsense
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the ukrainian people are just pawns in this thing steve cortez no and by the way the ukrainian people are
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the people being victimized most of all right paradoxically the people that biden and the davos
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said and the bureaucrats at brussels uh nato headquarters who they claim of course to be protecting the
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ukrainian people the ukrainian people the ones suffering most intensely from this totally insane
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escalation who's benefiting defense contractors in the united states the washington war machine
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lobbyists on k street the davos set zelensky okay all of them are benefiting the ukrainian people are
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suffering most of all and what we're trying to prevent steve is that kind of suffering being visited
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upon american families because remember we have thousands of u.s troops from the 101st airborne who are
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right now deployed right there on the border you want to talk about a dangerous situation those
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troops should be living with their families and training in the middle of america where they're
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based at fort campbell in kentucky and in tennessee they do not belong in europe in europe inviting a
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confrontation with the second most powerful military in the world russia yeah let me let me just make
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another observation they're on your romania on the ukrainian border the reason that the army
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sixth army collapsed at stalingrad and they mentioned it just briefly in the in the news show
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the romanian they had two two or three divisions of they had a romanian army that fought with the nazis
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that were at stalingrad on the left flank and they're the ones that collapsed it shouldn't be
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lost we've now put the 101st the the revered 101st that that held at bastone right and so the the
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hitler couldn't come at the battle of the bulge and sweep back through europe the historic
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brave 101st that fought in iraq and afghanistan lost all that blood all that all those kids all
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the all the ptsd all the kill now we got them on the border they're deployed forward deployed in
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your in romania to go into combat you do not send the 101st forward unless you intend to use them in
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combat so don't be all the lies and misrepresentations where's the big debate where's the big
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debate on tanks there was no debate also came out of nowhere next thing you know you're giving them
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tanks this is not giving them tanks you're changing to an entire type of warfare as the vermark when
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the tanks start rolling that's when the bodies really start coming up that's when you have what's
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called combined arms and you can't give the tanks alinsky knows this buying to say no no no no no f-16s
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you can't have tanks unless you have close air support you have combat air support you need air
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support you're going to need jet fighters those jet fighters are going to come from the west and
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they're going to have american pilots okay this is all happening and they're forcing and up on capitol
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hill just every day no force seemed to do what the constitution says he must come to the house
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and present the war plan we have to see it now we have to see make him make his lies and
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misrepresentations for the record of history cortez and dave walsh next
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voting on legislation to restore our constitutional rights and freedoms after two long years of
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democrats covet 19 power grab policies the extended covet lockdowns like the ones we saw in my home state of
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new york caused irreparable damage to our children's development financial strain on our small
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businesses and unnecessary deaths among our most vulnerable seniors due to former disgraced governor
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andrew cuomo's deadly and fatal nursing home order under the guise of covet 19 democrats authoritarian
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policies weaponized the federal government forced unconstitutional vaccine mandates and cost hundreds
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of billions in waste and abuse of americans hard-earned taxpayer dollars this week house republicans will
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pass a bill that will force the federal government to acknowledge what the american people already know
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the pandemic is over in addition the freedom for health care workers act will end the unconstitutional
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covet 19 vaccine mandates that cost our health care workers who bravely served on the front lines in the
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wake of the wake of the pandemic they cost them their livelihoods and caused a crisis of staffing shortages
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nationwide house republicans will also pass the show up act americans across the country show up to work every
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day there is no reason why federal employees should not be held to the same standard house republicans will
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deliver on our promises to hold democrats accountable for their failed covet 19 policies and as the conference chair every
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week we are highlighting one of our newly elected freshman members and i'm honored to introduce our next speaker
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laura lee newly elected from florida's 15th district
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fantastic uh by the way going on offense they're not going to just sit there and let biden extend this
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thing uh to the end of may but oh that's the last time that's when we're going to stop it remember this
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whole con has got the federal workers don't have to show up you got the whole student loan fiasco which uh
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jane zirkle's working for us i think it's i don't know now looks like 400 billion dollars of fiasco
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bigger than they thought it was going to be it's all lies and misrepresentations uh i think because
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of timing we're gonna get naomi uh up tonight i think on the six o'clock show we got a lot to go
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through this thing's exploding about the vax every second of every day and i want to thank uh the war room
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audience uh in the posse but the audience for back in the book but the 3 500 members of this audience
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that have volunteered now for over a year to be uh the researchers and and pulling pulling the
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information from the pfizer documents which are going to be already stunning but are going to be a
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major part of these investigations in the house and i know of uh already major lawsuits are going on
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so so thank you a lot to report a lot to get going on that that's elise stefanik also biden just
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left the white house and had some um had some pointed comments about the debt ceiling we're gonna get
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into uh bottom line people should understand three things are converging number one all the
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investigations they've they've got the jurisdiction set aside they've gone through a certain set of
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subpoenas and letters who they're going to have actually i think you're actually going to have
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testimony starting next week i can tell you the staffs are hiring they're working these things and
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it all and i think it's going to start multiple everywhere from the the covid investigations the
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wuhan lab you're going to have uh the border uh weaponization of government judiciary uh the biden
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comber yesterday said the biden financial records and uh in the uh in the intelligence the the the
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intelligence uh crimes are irrestrictably linked that should be a major red flag in the white house
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that's what i'm saying it's obvious that that hunter biden took classified documents had access to
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classified documents and put it into emails to his business partners all that's going on you have the
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entire debt ceiling situation going on and you're going to have this situation about a war powers
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that just people are just not going to sit here and allow unlimited uh hundreds of billions because
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this is going to get to trillions of dollars and not just that it's going to suck in american kids
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it is impossible to put those tanks into a combat zone without american if not crews then you got to have
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at least logistics maintenance supply training all that and i don't these are the most sophisticated
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tanks that have ever been developed you've got the you've got people that train for years on these
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tanks at the finest training centers we have here uh in the united states with the united states army
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you just can't throw these uh ukrainian militia into that right and expect them that in in in the air
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in missiles and rockets they want they continue to ask for and we continue to push on them because we
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want to expand this from a border a conflict over a border now it's offense they said they're allowed
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they're pushing the ukraine to say this thing doesn't end until they've taken back all the
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territory in eastern ukraine russian-speaking ukraine and now the crimea to add the crimea onto that
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we'll bring in dave walsh here in a second let's play i'm going to play the biden clip if uh denver if
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you by the way um there was a clip before i get there there's a clip today um that had msnbc's
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had the control room at msnbc uh which was like i don't know look like a hundred people and two
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thousand tv screens and here at the war room we got the great uh crew at real america's voice
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which i know uh i'm on all the time in fact somebody told me one time after they watched
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the show for a year they thought that they thought that uh denver was actually a person
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i was yelling at the time not a location but real america's voice in denver of course my own
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crew here if we have the biden clip can we can we go and play let's go and play biden
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spoke to reporters a little while ago hear his comments
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have you spoken to zolensky recently and what are you going to tell him about his further request
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and those were the president's comments just moments ago mike memley the issue that last question
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that chris was asking about the conversations is he's going to have with the speaker it's show me
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your budget yeah that's right this is really an effort on the part of the president as republicans
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are demanding spending cuts from the president to say listen you're going to have to have 218 votes
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among republicans to pass a budget so tell me what you're able to support is it going to be cutting
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entitlement programs social security medicare is it going to be cutting defense spending these are
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some difficult choices that will divide the republican caucus and the president is highlighting that fact
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to say this should not be a subject of negotiation over our debt limit we should increase that uh with
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that because that's all about paying for things we already have appropriated we can have discussions
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over spending in the future the president you should also expect to hear him say we've slashed the
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deficit during his administration republicans went along with spending increases during the trump
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administration okay just to let you know what's going on behind the scenes they're they're freaked out
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that we're saying there's no you're not touching entitlements you're not going to touch
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social security and medicare okay parts of medicaid hey who knows but social security and
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medicare off the table not going to be touched uh in the defense budget is in play i believe that
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you need a hundred billion dollar open and open we a hundred billion dollar cut for defense
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because you're going what you're going to do is take back commitments we're going to take back
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commitments why do we have these commitments all over hell's half acre the american people are paying
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for that's why you cut it you want to take down the ccp give me access to capital markets and
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technology you can bring them to their knees in 90 days don't need to go to a kinetic war
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and you got to plan for it you got you got it you got to get there you got to get the fleet ready
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you got to be ready for it but that's where our focus should be not in ukraine not the hundred
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billion dollars in ukraine got an easy way to cut the defense budget cut the ukraine part of it
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this whole thing about previous pay for that's that's a scam the debt ceiling is not going to get
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increased one penny one penny okay we're going to do a waterfall pay off the cap pay off the interest pay off
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any notes that come due never default only way you default if it's biden authorizes yelling to
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default the defaults on them you got to shut that if they want to shut the government down over this
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hey so be it let's roll checks will still go out let's roll that's your big threat 56 percent of
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the american people according to rassman said hey if that's what it takes to get the spending under
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control and biden's trying to uh just spin it with propaganda right there hold the line first thing
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you do we're not going to show you our budget i'm going to show your cuts show us your model show
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the financial model first tell me tell me how biden how you just get through this if we if he give you
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an unlimited debt ceiling increase how do you pay for it oh i see you just hit the the button over
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at the federal reserve and just keep printing money can't work any longer dave walsh uh energy
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particularly start i want you to start in europe about what's happened europe's back to the 16th
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century i wish they were back to the 16th century their religious beliefs but they were back to the 16th
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century as far as their economy goes get me up to speed on the on the energy situation in europe sir
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well it's it it it remains bad uk for example the price of natural gas they're still 55 times
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what it is here in the u.s so we're enjoying record exports of lng to the uk in support of
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one business but secondly helping out um their price per kilowatt iron gas still double the world
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average uh 27 times the world average they had been totally self-sufficient on gas as recently as
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2003 they were a net exporter of oil and gas they've basically curtailed 70 percent of their north sea
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production and as you know and we've said before on the show fracking in the uk is illegal remains
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illegal uh liz trust was looking at that that's been aborted with her departure uh any country abundant
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with bituminous coal which they are is loaded with natural gas underfoot they're not harvesting it so
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they're a massive importer so we got a report from the guardian a few days ago that in london uh air
00:26:21.220
pollution has now reached a a 10 level that's the highest number on the charts and due to uh wood
00:26:27.780
burning and solid fuel burning in homes the um college of london reported its own study that 60 to 70
00:26:35.740
percent of this air pollution is now emanating from the burning of wood in fireplaces in homes and
00:26:42.880
that's caused a massive elevation to the highest level of pollutions in january 17 in the city of
00:26:48.880
london and that creates huge particulate pollution airborne which actually is not about co2 it's about
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heavy particles coming from wood burning which actually is dangerous has caused big uplift in
00:27:00.020
hospital visits doctor visits and the prescription of uh inhalers for children so amazing so london is
00:27:08.780
it's it's uh it's uh this is the age of dickens it's back to it's back to that london i wish they
00:27:15.820
had the values of the victorian we're back there we're back there we're back there there's there's
00:27:22.360
there's certainly gonna they're certainly gonna get the air pollution of that era wish they would get
00:27:26.640
the victorian uh values in the underlying christianity that uh that made it at one point
00:27:31.940
the greatest civilization in the world not anymore okay uh huddle around their uh fireplaces burning coal
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and wood that's they're so far more advanced they're so awfully awfully okay short break dave walsh
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and uh peter teal is gonna be here by uh tape from uh oxford we're gonna show his speech the other day
00:27:54.920
at oxford and have commentary by the one and only joe ellen next
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make sure you represent we want to meet you want to see you okay dave walsh um talk to me uh by the
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time cpac comes are they going to try to have a higher gas prices here what are people going to
00:31:12.100
look forward to well the recent projections will be up back up to over four bucks a gallon in the u.s
00:31:18.600
we've had the last month 33.3 cents advance from up to now 349 a gallon as of yesterday nationally
00:31:26.060
on average so a lot of projections by march to four bucks plus and that's because a couple reasons
00:31:32.520
you got china coming out of their whole strategy redirecting china on lockdowns to no lockdowns
00:31:37.680
reopening the economy the imf predicting about 5.2 percent economic growth in china during 23
00:31:44.160
so that's going to bring a lot of demand for oil oil in china um coupled with we're heading into
00:31:50.440
the outage or what's called the turnaround season for u.s refining capacity which is already
00:31:55.620
bottlenecked it hasn't really recovered from the december cold spell a lot of refinery outages begin
00:32:01.600
in march so you'll have uh you know some additional supply curtailment here because of that which ought to
00:32:06.480
drive prices up there is there is one silver lining something that's going on that i've been an advocate
00:32:11.780
for and that is the um the price caps announced by the u.s and western europe on russian oil appear to
00:32:20.040
be having something of an effect um they are now exporting heavily instead of to western europe to
00:32:25.340
turkey china and india at prices well below even the 60 bucks a barrel cap so there's an opec meeting on
00:32:33.000
wednesday to uh the planning committee meeting to get their arms around russia has kind of broken away
00:32:38.820
from opec in respect to pricing and see that that kind of reverse cartel a buying cartel actually
00:32:45.000
works and it would be you know in time something for us to consider pulling saudi arabia into that
00:32:51.640
kind of sanction uh the neocons over time have been massively supportive of them oh we had a we had a
00:32:59.380
pull we had to pull them in immediately they're trying to they're trying to use the petro they're
00:33:02.500
trying to get to the yes they're trying to get off the dollars of reserve currency they're part of the
00:33:06.140
problem they have turkey iran pakistan all those guys have thrown in with the ccp and the russians
00:33:11.860
100 they're they're part of the new access and i yeah i was making a point last week exxon mobile
00:33:18.760
announced 59 billion in earnings double more than double from last year as chevron did well the
00:33:24.960
underpinning you know really is their boat has been heavily lifted by the actions of opec raising
00:33:30.120
global oil prices we don't want to attack their profitability from the irs standpoint
00:33:35.320
we don't want to recoup excess profits we do want them investing in the oil and gas production
00:33:40.620
capacity which exxon by the way are doing they're continuing their 24 billion capex program of
00:33:46.060
exploration expense and production in into 23 unlike chevron they're there they have a share buyback
00:33:52.360
program they haven't elevated it they're keeping it flat so they're on they're on the positive side
00:33:57.300
but still the bubble in earnings has was caused largely by opec plus russia so yeah going after the
00:34:03.940
kingdom included with that price cap would make compelling sense to kill opec in the crib and
00:34:08.620
that's what that's what keeps oil prices in check in the long run of course in addition to massive
00:34:13.820
production here exxon's also announced a permian increase to production of uh to a million barrels
00:34:19.720
a day in the permian basin by 2024 so they're still on page with growing their basic core business of oil
00:34:25.920
oil and gas unlike chevron oh opec is no friend of the united states this whole happy talk of
00:34:31.880
defending the game the game's over they're thrown in with the ccp dave how do people get access to all
00:34:37.520
all this information you're putting up sir uh you catch me on getter at dave walsh energy
00:34:42.560
thank you steve brother fantastic report england back to the age of dickens burning coal and wood
00:34:51.080
to keep warm that's where the united states is going to go unless you get unless we get focused
00:34:54.960
and get back to full spectrum energy dominance like we're under donald j trump let's go we got
00:35:01.520
peter teal at oxford let's play it and joe allen is going to come in for his expert commentary
00:35:05.820
it brings me great pleasure to welcome mr peter teal to the inaugural address of the oxford union's
00:35:11.020
bicentenary year you know the general thesis that i've been articulating in different fora
00:35:15.360
for close to two decades is there is something about science and technology that's not progressing
00:35:22.180
as quickly but for the last 40 or 50 years outside the world of bits it has been a story
00:35:27.600
of general stagnation why can't we have a ticker tape parade for the you know one or two the key
00:35:34.280
scientists who developed the mrna vaccine we're told this is this fantastic scientific technological
00:35:40.060
breakthrough why can't we celebrate this and um and my sort of cultural thesis is that uh it is
00:35:47.900
immediately adjacent in people's minds to this great existential fear because the mrna vaccines
00:35:54.680
somehow remind us of um this thing going on the wuhan lab that was called had this orwellian term
00:36:01.060
gain of function research which sounds sort of like a bioweapons program in disguise but within
00:36:05.920
computers probably the the futuristic narrative is always around ai artificial intelligence artificial
00:36:12.200
general intelligence i was involved with a thing called the singularity institute which um pushed
00:36:17.960
sort of accelerationist utopian technology and i sort of remember thinking to myself by 2015 i reconnected
00:36:24.760
with some of these people and it didn't feel like they were really pushing the the ai thing as fast as
00:36:30.540
before it had shifted from transhumanism to luddite no actually want to slow this down it feels kind of
00:36:37.180
dangerous i'm going to read this it's from april 2022 less than a year ago uh eliezer yudkowsky who's
00:36:43.960
one of the sort of thought leaders of the sort of futurist um ai and it's announcing a new death with
00:36:51.760
dignity strategy it's obvious at this point that humanity isn't going to solve the alignment problem
00:36:57.580
of how to get the ai aligned with humans or even try very hard or even go out with much of a fight
00:37:04.020
since survival is unattainable we should shift the focus our efforts to helping humanity die with
00:37:11.280
slightly more dignity it's an extraordinary way that the uh the context has shifted oxford professor
00:37:17.680
nick bostrom and i think of him as sort of a mouthpiece of the zeitgeist um and he sort of wrote
00:37:23.020
this paper back in 2019 called the vulnerable world hypothesis sort of and it outlines all these
00:37:29.080
different existential risks climate change nuclear weapons um runaway nanotechnology the robots killing
00:37:35.300
everybody the ai killing everybody runaway bioweapons etc etc and there are four things that must be done
00:37:41.380
to stabilize the world number one restrict technological development number two ensure that there does not
00:37:48.940
exist a large population of actors representing a wide and recognizably human distribution of motives
00:37:55.000
number three establish an extremely effective preventive policing and number four you need to
00:38:03.740
establish effective global governance if we are going to enumerate all these existential risks and
00:38:09.940
we have to talk about them we have to discuss them we have to think about them if you end up with a
00:38:14.600
one world totalitarian state that also counts as an existential risk you know in the sort of
00:38:20.140
quasi-mythological new testament account the the slogan of the antichrist is peace and safety perhaps we
00:38:26.860
should fear the antichrist perhaps we should fear the one world totalitarian state uh more than armageddon
00:38:32.920
what i would say is i i don't know if we actually need to get to the super futuristic versions of ai for it to be
00:38:41.700
um for it to be problematic where it's um this super intelligent computer the the version of it that
00:38:47.280
i think is the most real and the most problematic is something like what you see in in communist china
00:38:52.520
where it's it's um it's fairly low tech but it is just this pervasive surveillance we have we have all
00:38:59.940
sorts of debates whether ai is conscious or whether it's intelligent or super intelligent but if we avoid the
00:39:06.820
political question of how it gets used in in places like china um you know maybe it's merely evil and
00:39:13.020
maybe something can be merely evil it's not conscious it's not even intelligent it's merely evil if you were
00:39:18.660
to say that crypto is libertarian then why can't we say that ai is is communist it's not completely
00:39:24.360
inherent in it but it's a it's a certain tendency in it and uh and while i am i am pro acceleration i'm
00:39:30.580
pro tech i'm even pro ai um it is probably the one technology that i have the most misgivings about
00:39:35.780
the luddites look uh they even if they were right about a lot of things they they ultimately are
00:39:41.140
wrong you're going to lose if nothing else than in the military context it's as even even if the
00:39:46.480
luddites are right about everything you will lose to china on hypersonic weapons or space weapons or
00:39:51.400
weapons in cis lunar space or robots armed with ai probably there's something about the luddite answer
00:39:57.360
that's uh self-destructive and uh and parochial at the same time remember teal is uh is one of us he's
00:40:05.440
one of the smartest guys in the world one of the most successful investors in the world and and
00:40:09.040
there's a lot to go through there uh two things number one you are the luddites uh and he actually
00:40:15.220
concedes that we are right he gives the caveat that it's an arms race we're going to get to that in a
00:40:21.680
second the the fundamental because peter is is is a quite devout christian and in in is uh very
00:40:28.680
up front about his religious beliefs but it is um amazing to have someone of his stature throughout
00:40:36.780
the world and particularly because it's all about power and money and they respect the fact that he's
00:40:41.360
smart enough he makes these incredible investments joe allen for him to say and agree with the war room
00:40:47.760
that this is the rise of the antichrist and and the antichrist comes not with a sword the antichrist
00:40:54.280
comes with peace and security uh we're here to uh we're here to protect uh your thoughts uh analysis
00:41:01.700
because you say hey your biggest problem with this is peter teal exposes himself as an accelerationist
00:41:08.140
that even wants to drive forward quicker the singularity joe allen yeah you know steve it's
00:41:16.620
pretty wild to hear peter teal uh be more of an accelerationist than the transhumanist that he's
00:41:22.900
critiquing right you have nick bostrom who uh is has called for a mass surveillance global government
00:41:30.500
and teal is saying that the danger of super intelligence uh may not be as big as the
00:41:37.740
governmental sort of structure that would keep something like that in check he is in fact uh less
00:41:44.160
cautious in many ways than the people who want to upload their minds to computers it's it's it's quite
00:41:50.260
intriguing you have uh an essay that teal wrote back in 2015 it was published in the catholic journal
00:41:57.720
first things it's called against edenism and his central argument is that the garden of paradise
00:42:06.220
in eden will culminate in the city of god and that that city of god will in many ways be the creation
00:42:14.220
the technological and scientific creation of human beings and while i understand his argument that
00:42:22.820
in instituting global governance in order to keep technological progress in check is extremely dangerous
00:42:29.620
it's certainly not what i want i also think the technological progress that he is wanting to
00:42:35.060
accelerate really does match up in many sort of uh metaphorical and maybe direct ways with the image of
00:42:41.780
the antichrist and revelation so it's a huge it's a very complex problem it's a very complex argument
00:42:47.780
i really encourage people to watch the entire talk and think it through for themselves yes
00:42:53.840
hang on for one second um we definitely have to do that the audience has to do that the luddites
00:43:00.880
always have to be armed okay short commercial break joe allen on the other side i may get into an
00:43:06.560
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00:43:11.120
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run with it but i just the luddites explain to the audience who are the luddites and why do they call
00:46:44.820
us the luddites and why are we on the side of the angels sir not on the side of the demons
00:46:48.820
well you know the luddite comes from a a term that was a mythical character ned ludd in the early
00:46:57.360
industrial revolution uh north of london you had all of these textile mills in which workers were
00:47:03.600
being um gypped on their on their wages due to automation so to speak the textile um machines
00:47:11.800
displacing them and making their labor labor less valuable so they started attacking the machines
00:47:17.340
and they had this mythical figure ned ludd who was supposedly their leader and so this idea that
00:47:23.540
the machines are the enemy and the human beings should be in conflict with them should make war
00:47:28.360
against them was given the name luddite due to that so a luddite is anyone who opposes technological
00:47:33.680
advance i think the most famous luddite of course would be ted kaczynski uh uncle ted who um you know
00:47:40.580
in many ways gave luddites a really bad name with his bombing campaign so when peter thiel talks about
00:47:46.800
luddites being the losers what he means is that if we reject technological progress if we reject
00:47:54.340
all the different technologies that he's working on and he's invested in then we're going to lose
00:47:59.180
out to some other world power we're going to lose out to china we may lose out to russia he doesn't
00:48:03.900
mention them specifically or some other power um you know it's really interesting though that peter thiel
00:48:09.380
and i'm not trying to uh draw this as some sort of aspersion i'm not trying to cast aspersion on his
00:48:14.280
character here or say that he's a hypocrite or that he's uh self-interested and that's what his
00:48:18.860
message is based on but peter thiel is invested in a lot of the technologies that we would call
00:48:24.780
transhumanist technologies and as we hear heard in his talk he has been associated with transhumanism
00:48:30.700
and the the ideology for the last 20 30 years uh the first of course is palantir which he co-founded
00:48:38.440
uh some 20 years ago and uh it is as of 2021 it had the top market share of all artificial
00:48:46.740
intelligence companies uh it goes across like 50 industries from health care to manufacturing to
00:48:52.140
business maybe the most important though is military technology so uh palantir one of the programs for
00:48:58.980
instance uh meta constellation uh which their ceo alex cart presented at the world economic forum last
00:49:05.520
week meta constellation is designed to basically locate targets uh in an entire nation you basically
00:49:14.160
sit through the data of an entire nation looking for potential enemies potential terrorists uh and
00:49:20.720
i think arguably it's probably been used against us here in the u.s uh given as how it's farmed out to
00:49:27.680
the fbi cia and department of defense uh you also have black rock neurotech of course peter thiel was
00:49:35.340
one of the original investors in neural link and uh now he is throwing a ton of investment into black rock
00:49:41.340
neurotech the brain computer interface company uh of the nearly 40 people with advanced brain computer
00:49:48.620
interfaces in their heads uh black rock neurotech has around 32 or 34 of them uh they now have a
00:49:55.660
an even more advanced system uh called the neural lace uh which it seems to be a promising avenue to
00:50:02.700
connecting the brain to digital devices and artificial intelligence and i don't know if teal
00:50:08.860
has the same sort of ambush ambition as musk as far as i know he's never voiced it but certainly he is
00:50:14.220
driving that forward also life extension so you have all these different tech moguls that are investing
00:50:20.780
in life extension or this sort of approximation of immortality and uh teal has invested in a ton of this stuff
00:50:26.700
uh the probably the most important one is the the methuselah foundation and uh he was quoted recently
00:50:34.460
in the guardian as saying um the reverse of all human ailment he intends to reverse all human ailments
00:50:42.860
the same way we can fix the bugs of a computer program death will eventually be reduced from a mystery
00:50:50.140
to a solvable problem uh again i'm not trying to smear peter teal but certainly that has the same
00:50:57.980
sort of air that most of the transhumanists would voice about all these technologies uh and then of
00:51:03.660
course there was the investment in ambrosia which is the uh project to uh have blood transfusions from
00:51:10.300
younger people into older people so that they'll be more vibrant healthier and live longer uh sort of like
00:51:16.620
uh uh cyber techno vampirism you could say so yeah i think this is it adds a different flavor to his uh
00:51:25.020
his statements at oxford okay how do people get to you we're having you back on i want to go through
00:51:31.340
the concept of accelerationist versus luddite and why the accelerationists are quite dangerous okay and
00:51:38.620
need to be stopped uh where do people go for your content uh you can actually find a a really interesting
00:51:45.260
article at the top of my social media at joe b-o-t-x-y-z uh hardwired for control the brain
00:51:52.140
computer interface is already here i go into peter teal's thought a bit there you can also find me
00:51:57.740
at warroom.org under the transhumanism tab and my site joebot.xyz uh brother uh joe allen thank you
00:52:07.420
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