Bannon's War Room - Episode 2491： Standing Up To The National Security State

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:09.680 medieval on these people you're just not got a free shot all these networks lying about the

00:00:15.920 people the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try

00:00:20.240 to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen

00:00:23.440 and where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any

00:00:31.360 of these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that

00:00:38.240 answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bat

00:00:47.040 uh but listening and reading through some of the details of the story and looking at the

00:00:56.080 history of it it turns out this happens from time to time there are balloons floating around

00:01:01.520 looking down on the united states sometimes from china specifically and also that it was within

00:01:07.280 range of being shot down but the defense department made a decision not to do that can you explain a

00:01:12.800 little bit how often this happens and where the balloon may be now so we know of at least two

00:01:18.400 other times this has happened in the past and it's not just during the biden administrations it's

00:01:22.080 happened during past administrations as well the difference about this one that has caused officials

00:01:26.640 more concern is that the balloon in past cases uh these these aerial surveillance assets will

00:01:33.120 come near the u.s or maybe go into the u.s for a short time and then they leave again this one has

00:01:37.280 been come it flew as you you could see from that map there from the aleutians down through canada

00:01:41.760 into montana and it's been hovering in the united states now for several days that's what has u.s

00:01:47.360 officials more concerned about it and and then you know you mentioned it was in montana that's not

00:01:52.800 too far from malmstrom air force base which is where the u.s has intercontinental ballistic missiles it's

00:01:58.240 one of the the u.s's you know strategic ballistic missile sites in the united states now as far as we

00:02:04.800 know it was never closer than about 200 miles but the the balloon is still flying over the continental

00:02:11.360 u.s and officials are not telling us where it is at this point so uh that's one of the things now

00:02:16.480 you mentioned also the potential for it to be shot down this raised a level of concern that on wednesday

00:02:23.120 secretary of defense lloyd austin who was traveling in manila at the time convened a meeting with his

00:02:27.760 senior defense leaders that included chairman of the joint chiefs general mark milley the head of

00:02:31.520 north com norad general glenn glenn van hirk so austin called them all together for a meeting it was

00:02:36.480 the middle of the night in the philippines and they talked about the potential track for this thing

00:02:41.200 where it was coming from where it was going the potential collection the intelligence collection

00:02:45.760 capabilities which they believe to be somewhat minimal they don't think that this can collect

00:02:50.560 very much and they even brought in some aircraft including awax their surveillance aircraft and f-22

00:02:57.200 fighter jets with the potential to bring this thing down they scrambled these aircraft to both look at

00:03:03.120 it and the potential to shoot it down now ultimately they decided that given the fact that it didn't

00:03:07.920 have a ton of collection capability and they looked at the potential for taking it down and the debris

00:03:12.720 field that that would create on the ground they made a recommendation to president biden not to shoot

00:03:17.360 it down but to continue to to monitor and track it and that's where they landed president biden agreed with

00:03:22.400 that decision and according to a senior defense official who i spoke with yesterday they're literally

00:03:27.200 monitoring this on a minute by minute basis and they are maintaining the the both the ability and

00:03:32.880 the the decision making space to vent to take it down if need be it's friday three february the year

00:03:40.160 of our lord 2023 in beijing they are belly laughing they're mocking us right here the uh a headline in

00:03:46.320 today's financial times of london right we always go to the economist in the financial times for the real news

00:03:51.280 uh blinking to meet xi during landmark china visit in sign of thawing relations that didn't age very

00:03:58.240 well did it we've asked congressman matt gates who's one of the smartest people i know on national

00:04:03.520 security and armed services to join us here we've got a lot to go through today uh congressman gates

00:04:08.240 give us your assessment of of this uh situation over the skies of the great state of montana

00:04:14.480 well this is the consequence of a totally predictable foreign policy right they see

00:04:20.960 blinken and biden as paint by numbers strategists not even strategists this would have never happened

00:04:28.480 under president trump because you like you like the unpredictability of course because they would

00:04:33.920 not have known what would have been the consequences an additional 1500 torpedoes might have showed up in

00:04:38.080 japan the next day if they did this you know or you shoot down some over mainland china not over montana

00:04:43.360 yeah yeah i think that that uh really gave trump an ability to reign over an era of peace in in the

00:04:51.920 world and and now we see the the negative consequences this is obviously a result or a direct i think reaction

00:04:58.400 to the basing decision in the philippines which is very important uh you have to also think that china

00:05:05.520 may be trying to bait the united states into disputes over appropriate rights in the air because we would

00:05:13.040 say look we shoot this thing down it was over our airspace then does that give some sort of pretext

00:05:18.800 for china to take some for the geosynchronized uh satellites we have maybe over that part of the

00:05:24.960 world well not just that but there are sorties that are being flown you know very frequently by our

00:05:30.240 allies by our service members in the south china sea over areas that china is claiming their jurisdiction

00:05:37.120 and so if you create this sort of jurisdictional pretext um you could see things escalate there

00:05:42.480 very quickly you're you're saying is what you're saying that this is more political information

00:05:48.880 warfare that part of unrestricted warfare they do versus actually the national security if we knew

00:05:54.480 that this balloon was getting information from our sensitive icbm sites and transmitting it back to china

00:06:01.680 and we did not shoot it down that would be the dumbest in a series of dumb decisions from the

00:06:07.280 secretary of defense and from this president that we have possibly seen there is also a possibility

00:06:13.600 that this balloon has very little value militarily to china and it is there as a as a signal and maybe

00:06:20.560 they're hoping that we go capture it and then you know what they would be able to observe what our

00:06:24.960 capture technology is something that would be very helpful to them as they were making a move on taiwan

00:06:30.720 or planning to make a move on taiwan right what if they're trying to see in this type of a

00:06:34.880 circumstance what what type of munitions we would use would we go surface to air would we go air to

00:06:39.760 air right what type of what type of squadron would we have activated for this type of a mission then

00:06:44.960 they get to observe all of that in the event of a taiwan invasion so if this thing is just some dumb

00:06:49.920 balloon floating over there then i think we have a different series of options than if it is actually

00:06:55.920 transmitting information back and trust me we know whether or not that balloon is transmitting

00:07:01.360 sigint back to beijing and if it is it should have been shot down long ago but if it isn't let's not 0.95

00:07:06.880 just have the impulse that because it's over sensitive areas and it's a chinese balloon that our that every

00:07:14.720 option would advance our strategic goals i i think that the reaction here should be more to torpedoes in

00:07:21.120 theater we know from all the war games that we that we have observed commercially and otherwise that

00:07:28.400 torpedoes in theater is actually what changes a lot of the deterrence calculus mean torpedoes we're

00:07:34.640 talking about uh um a fast attack submarines navy destroyers up with torpedoes in the east china

00:07:40.800 sea in the south china sea and then in the taiwans i mean straight to taiwan for the state of taiwan let

00:07:46.080 me go back for a second what you just laid out is a highly sophisticated you know we're going to move

00:07:51.200 three it's four dimension chests right in that part of the world in correct quite frankly because the

00:07:57.680 cease chinese communist party with one belt one road and clearly underwriting uh the kgb in russia with

00:08:03.520 russia in turkey in iran in pakistan and our former allies in uh saudi arabia that are working with

00:08:09.840 them on to get off the us dollar uh and of north korea that that group that they have now in some of

00:08:15.920 the stands to consolidate the eurasian landmass right and now throw in brazil is that subtlety

00:08:22.480 lost in that part of the world where you maybe it's not bad to do smash mouth you come over our territory

00:08:27.200 you get shot down we have the balloon and we hold it up and say this is we're we're back and we're going

00:08:32.480 to be on offense we're not we're not going to be in our back foot in the straits of taiwan where

00:08:36.560 and particularly this uh foreshadows a naval and air blockade not an amphibious assault a naval and

00:08:43.040 air blockade at taiwan you're showing you're on the trigger and on offense how would you shoot it down

00:08:48.320 i would i think you got a couple opportunities number one uh jets number two maybe surface there

00:08:53.600 i realize it's pretty high with 150 000 150 000 but i think you have to go but then but then right you're

00:08:59.120 then they're forcing you into a choice yes that you're then making yes and then they're observing

00:09:03.760 that decision calculus yes and and and and what you're saying about that and you know one one thing

00:09:08.560 i try to do in conflict and a strategy is to be in the fights that i pick yeah not the fight that my

00:09:14.880 adversary picks right and so if you're doing that and and you're engaging in this sort of you know let's

00:09:20.160 assume just hypothetically we don't know this that it's a dumb balloon that it's not let's assume it's

00:09:24.960 a dumb balloon but you say there is there is signal value back to wave around their their dumb balloon

00:09:30.320 as sort of a show india right now the big the big concern is given how we've botched this ukraine

00:09:36.080 situation and with munitions people are not taking us seriously about when the general talks about

00:09:42.160 three years for war they're not taking seriously in the south china sea in the straits of taiwan so

00:09:46.080 the philippines was such a brave bold move that shows you how desperate the philippines have been kind

00:09:50.640 of an anti-american you know government for so many years is now scared about this but that those

00:09:55.520 people need to see leadership and they need to see leadership not the negotiating table they need to

00:09:59.680 see leadership is shooting something down yeah i mean in it you know but the the way i think to show

00:10:05.760 that message to india to anyone else is to go increase our actual basing in theater and our actual

00:10:11.280 capabilities instead of playing a signal game back and forth with beijing uh perhaps it would be a

00:10:16.800 stronger response to say all right well it's not going to be four new bases it's going to be 12

00:10:22.240 new bases i i think i would agree with you and if it wasn't for and if you if because they've had

00:10:27.360 this for a while if you had done this over the illusions if you've done it over alaska but now with three

00:10:31.840 days over the icbm of of northern montana and i think everybody should understand just like every

00:10:38.400 town's a border town and every city's a border city you're in this fight on nuclear weapons everything

00:10:43.920 i mean north dakota south dakota montana boom that's what and you you guys will be incinerated 0.65

00:10:50.320 you know 60 seconds before dc in a in a thermonuclear war so that's why everybody is in

00:10:55.840 this fight i think the thing that they're in our face is how many days they've put it over the air

00:11:00.720 force base in montana well our own military our own military is not uh entirely proficient in every

00:11:07.360 circumstance in balloon world in 2015 our own army tried to test balloon technology and it ripped

00:11:13.680 through the state of pennsylvania living leaving a number of people without power so these balloons

00:11:18.560 don't always go where you want them to and you may have had a circumstance where this thing was

00:11:22.640 supposed to have kind of a uh symbolic glancing pass by and and circumstances change let's go back

00:11:29.520 over to the the powers that be you're obviously one of the leaders of the america first movement

00:11:34.160 uh your leader obviously in the in the trump movement but particularly in national security which

00:11:38.320 is your specialty we're gonna have uh congressman matt rosendale on the saturday show to go to go

00:11:44.240 through his thoughts what is the take rosendale's probably shooting at it right now no he gotta get

00:11:48.480 a 20 he's got that pump action there they're ready to go i don't know why the governor hasn't launched

00:11:53.440 an air national guard what is the sense on the hill right now of the smartest brains we have on our

00:11:58.880 side of the football of how this should be handled yeah i was in a meeting yesterday with uh mike

00:12:03.280 gallagher who's going to be sharing our uh... you know special committee directed at competition

00:12:09.280 with china select committee and and he believes that we we right now are in the window where china

00:12:16.000 could make a move on taiwan at any moment uh... that we are we are in kinetic kill a kinetic a kinetic

00:12:21.520 right now and that we have to be enhancing our focus on cyber on electronic warfare uh... on various air

00:12:29.760 defense systems and we also have to look at how china might might bring others into a conflict like

00:12:36.560 that japan i want to refer back because although i think gallagher is not quite as anti-ccp as maybe

00:12:44.160 the war room but i have a lot of respect for him um that is totally different and that's why it was so

00:12:49.920 great you coming in today of the headline the financial times they talk about blinking going to the

00:12:54.080 kowtow after he's been beat up in alaska they've been jett sullivan was beat up and humiliated in rome

00:12:59.360 we're going back for a third helping of this and there's talking about thawing relations so how can

00:13:03.680 two very smart young men like a mike gallagher former marine corps officer and one of our top

00:13:10.320 thinkers on america first say hey we could be in the window of kinetic war they're already engaged in

00:13:15.280 unrestricted warfare what that is a chasm right there walk us through that chasm we've got about

00:13:20.800 a minute obviously here for the first hour walk me through that chasm well i mean we are we are

00:13:26.160 assessing the number of sorties that china is flying over taiwan we are assessing the kinetic

00:13:31.200 capabilities rise and you know there is this thought with blinken and biden that integrated

00:13:38.800 deterrence will somehow prevail on xi to not make this move and when you hear integrated deterrence

00:13:46.000 being defined as we sort of think of it as woke deterrence it's like well we can't necessarily

00:13:51.760 deter them with all of our air land you know sea capabilities but we're deterring them with our

00:13:57.600 you know economic prowess or you know our sense of social justice that everyone in the world just

00:14:02.560 wants to be are they serious about that absolutely that that so that's that's how there is i think

00:14:08.160 uh a real a real divergence in assessing the circumstance that we are in gallagher and i think that

00:14:15.440 we could be literally in the kill zone okay um so you think real quickly the the 2025 uh general

00:14:22.240 millihan his 2025 is the outside window of this you think right now we're edging up to the kill zone

00:14:27.680 at the beginning of potential a kinetic war absolutely and that's why we have to catch the signal not the

00:14:33.680 noise and i'm not entirely sure that this balloon floating around isn't noise what we're doing to

00:14:38.400 enhance our basing our stockpiles that's the real signal okay uh congressman matt gates one of the

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00:16:32.240 okay um cpac is coming up cpac.org slash worm first time ever they're giving 47 bucks off the general

00:16:40.800 mission ticket that gets you into the studio we're going to do the same studio we did at turning point the

00:16:45.120 same studio we did at cpac dallas remember one of our co-hosts at turning point was a congressman

00:16:51.200 matt gates so we look forward to seeing you at cpac when everybody show up march 1st through 4th we're

00:16:55.360 going to have tons of war room activities this is going to be like a war room uh festival so just

00:17:00.400 like we did turning point just like we did cpac dallas want everybody to turn out cpac.org

00:17:04.880 slash worm 47 wasn't that where i mean all the all the initial news was made about the speakers race

00:17:10.480 the 100 percent if i recall you laid out you laid out a pretty good strategy

00:17:15.440 actually gates gates that was a called shot from i think july of 2022 the entire thing and one day

00:17:22.640 we'll be able to tell that story matt gates actually nailed the exact number that that the the exact

00:17:28.800 number that the majority is going to be this is in july right here in this building the number he

00:17:34.560 actually said and talked about tiktok and how they were actually going to not we weren't going to get to

00:17:39.280 the 35 or 40 seats they'd be close races but we'd lose right how it's going to be the republican

00:17:43.600 establishment that did that the entire thing and then the entire strategy and this is one of the

00:17:47.520 things when you were on hannity that night when sean said hey matt i have no problem after dumping

00:17:53.520 on you for four days i have no problem with what you're doing this is the friday night before the

00:17:57.360 big before the big event the throwdown i have no but all i want you to do is do it behind closed doors

00:18:03.600 they don't realize what you and that team have been doing behind closed doors and i think it's for the

00:18:08.160 better i think and russ vote came on here and russ was you got to remove mccarthy's head of the

00:18:14.320 cartel you know the gates strategy is right and russ came on here and says i think you see the potential

00:18:19.600 for a guy to be a great speaker of the house on this path right and and so i think it was a net

00:18:25.440 positive yeah my my hope is that we front-loaded the pain you know that by doing this out in the open

00:18:31.520 by doing it for the first week we basically front-loaded the pain and now there's a sense of

00:18:37.520 how we have to proceed forward and i think we've seen i think we've seen the best version of kevin

00:18:42.160 mccarthy 100 i think kevin mccarthy now is on the on the balls of his uh feet leaning forward into

00:18:49.920 this fight and uh i'm real proud to work with him mitch mcconnell is giving a lot of head room

00:18:55.040 on the death scene we'll get to a second but i want to go back because people i think don't

00:18:58.400 appreciate the fact of uh how on national security how how well you've thought this through give it

00:19:04.080 to so this morning on on cnn in morning morning mico we could play this they're in total panic

00:19:09.440 mode so last week we had you had to get battle tanks and as you know tanks are just not another

00:19:15.040 weapons platform it's another type of warfare and then we were told the tanks because we were going to

00:19:19.760 give up bakhmut and we're going to pivot and go liberate crimea right before we liberate eastern

00:19:24.480 uh ukraine then we had to have ft the 16th fight in fact lockheed was nice enough to tell the financial

00:19:29.520 times hey we're going to start a production run right now well you don't need a purchase order

00:19:33.120 because we know you guys are going to get them man if they could have figured out a way to get the

00:19:35.840 f-16s to the afghans they totally 100 percent so then all of a sudden the the the defense minister

00:19:43.040 comes out the other one biden says no in the f-16s defense minister now we have 500 000 russian troops

00:19:48.080 on the border and they're going to get a winter offensive and kiev's going to fall and the whole

00:19:51.520 thing's over unless there's a massive build up in the sub-headline of cnn this morning i think if

00:19:55.760 denver put it up would be appreciated the sub-headline is that we need a new massive program immediately

00:20:01.520 so i want you to pull back the camera from an america first perspective and compare and contrast

00:20:06.000 what's happening ukraine to the vital national security interests of the defense of taiwan sir

00:20:11.680 well i mean it's it's not comparable we do not have an interest in continuing to spend money

00:20:18.800 in ukraine and when we look at what's going on in southeast asia it literally could dictate the

00:20:25.200 future of the world and a major power node of of information and warfare and supply chain and so it's

00:20:33.840 just a very i mean is that you know what you know here's the simplest way i could put it go look at

00:20:38.160 anything in your house and tell me how many things say that they're made in russia or ukraine and then

00:20:43.280 go look at everything in your house and see how much that's made in uh in in you know china or or

00:20:48.160 taiwan okay that statement right there is the most declarative statement i've heard from anybody that's

00:20:53.200 an elected official up there do people up there understand boris johnson was just here for three

00:20:58.320 days and he's now going back he's telling me he's in shock about how there's a thinking that maybe

00:21:02.640 ukraine's not in the vital national security interest of the united states he's sitting there you got to 0.99

00:21:06.240 give him everything you need including f-35s is there is that thinking the jews just laid out 0.98

00:21:12.160 is that starting to permeate into the thinking of our side of the football well i mean make no mistake

00:21:18.640 in congress there is broad bipartisan support to send almost anything that shoots to ukraine uh when we

00:21:26.480 began our opposition to u.s involvement in this war there were three of us marjorie taylor green thomas

00:21:31.520 massey and matt gates and you know as it this has gone forward there are now just under 70 republicans

00:21:39.600 who vote against these continued u.s advancements into this conflict zone and i think that under the

00:21:47.360 war powers act the biden administration should actually have to come to congress and explain what

00:21:53.280 the end game is here because what you just described is grisly and deadly and catastrophic

00:21:59.360 and would be just a horrible thing to have happen in the world today uh the carnage would be catastrophic

00:22:06.480 so i'm for peace i don't believe that continuing to send m1 abrams tanks or to even contemplate f-16s

00:22:13.920 advances the cause of peace i think that will make this conflict longer and bloodier and i do think

00:22:20.320 cravenly that there probably are some defense contractors that need there to be a war going

00:22:26.320 on somewhere that the u.s is sending arms to and whether it's arms that ultimately end up in the

00:22:30.880 hands of the taliban or the azov battalion or the ukrainians or sold on the black market to lord knows

00:22:38.000 who um they need to continue to book that new business and i don't think that should drive the

00:22:45.200 foreign policy decisions that we make i think our nation's interests should drive that and being

00:22:50.640 in world war three with a nuclear power is not in our interest i can't even believe i have to say that

00:22:56.160 out loud but but but but the people who watch this show should know that there is no geography in america

00:23:03.520 where this war is more popular than in the two zero two area code here in washington dc this is what i

00:23:09.040 don't think people appreciate but you you come from one of the most patriotic uh congressional

00:23:13.920 districts in the nation right pensacola naval air station the navy base there um and you win

00:23:19.200 overwhelmingly and you win with no taking no defense contractor pack money right i take no pack money

00:23:24.720 from anybody anybody but you specifically i mean the the defense contractors when a guy like you would

00:23:29.200 normally be top of the list right when you come from those type of uh areas tell that why what doesn't

00:23:34.960 the republican party get about that that would that we're going down a path of total if you try to

00:23:41.120 to liberate ukraine you're going to have tactical nuclear weapons what's the probability that the

00:23:46.800 ukrainian army with uh f-16s and american uh tanks could liberate crimea sir well i mean i i'm not

00:23:54.320 i'm not going to get into that level of of intelligence and review uh but we can't bring the notion the notion

00:24:02.080 that it is in our interest to go and you know decide what guy in a tracksuit gets to run crimea

00:24:08.640 is laughable it is absurd and and the fact that we would risk world war three over this is so

00:24:16.480 irresponsible i mean we have to make serious decisions and to go you know putz around in ukraine

00:24:22.240 over the donbass region or crimea and to have that be the possibility that we literally melt the globe

00:24:27.840 uh with with with nuclear fallout absolutely not and like putin is is a very dangerous person

00:24:37.920 with the ability to wreak far more havoc on the world and i do not want to see that happen and i

00:24:44.800 think we have to be very serious about this and i i worry we are sleepwalking into this war and we're

00:24:50.480 sleepwalking the american people into it and i believe that uh we ought to have a war powers resolution

00:24:57.040 before the congress and the biden administration ought to explain the end i want to get to the

00:25:00.800 war powers but i want you to talk about the mentality in this city why is it in the imperial they want

00:25:05.920 to wrap themselves in the flag it's just the ukrainian flag why it why is that well i i sense that

00:25:13.280 these are not dumb people they're not dumb they're not dumb they they uh fashion themselves as great

00:25:18.640 world leaders and there is this kind of narrative appeal to oh if we you know block the russians we

00:25:25.120 seem tough and we're this strident force to the world but the reality is far different if what

00:25:31.040 we're contributing to is deadlier war and war that extends for a longer period of time that's what

00:25:36.880 really diminishes america's value is when i mean whoa do we think that our our involvement in the

00:25:42.800 iraq war in the afghanistan war for as long as it was for as costly as it was and for as bloody as it

00:25:47.840 was made us more of a of a symbol of hope and truth in the arab world do we does anyone really think

00:25:53.760 that now and so you know quite possibly we could see a similar outcome in europe and ukraine if

00:26:00.160 if we're deemed as as meddling and extending the carnage as a tutorial because one of the things we

00:26:07.200 do here is try to get people the nomenclature and the concepts and the structure of process

00:26:11.440 what is the war powers what's the war powers act it's quite controversial about the constitutionality

00:26:16.400 what's the war powers act and then why is it important in this kind we have two minutes and

00:26:20.320 you're clearly here for the after the break too but just walk people through what we're talking

00:26:23.840 about we call it look declaring war in the constitution is vested in article one with

00:26:30.480 the united states congress and because for generations in politics congressmen and women

00:26:36.240 don't want to take those tough votes they don't want to be on record for or against involvement in

00:26:40.880 this and so they have ceded that power to the executive branch and this has happened under republican

00:26:45.520 and democrat congresses republican and democrat presidents and then you see like you saw with

00:26:50.240 obama in syria where 40 advisors turns into us being a referee in a syrian civil war you see in uh in

00:26:59.280 east africa where we continue to get kind of drug into these very regional disputes over things and in ukraine

00:27:07.040 right now these m1 abrams tanks they come with them very sophisticated supply chain requirements and very

00:27:14.000 sophisticated logistics kits and that has to have a human operation component we have advisors in ukraine

00:27:21.600 right now and because we do and because that is an area of hostility the congress can force a vote on

00:27:30.160 whether or not to recall those people to our country and and to diminish our involvement in this war

00:27:36.720 and i am very seriously reviewing a legislation that would call the administration to account on that

00:27:44.160 to bring them before the congress and say what is the plan here where are we going with this is it is

00:27:49.680 it m you know howitzers to m1 abrams to f-16s to f-35s what are we going to go you know give nuclear

00:27:56.320 weapons to ukraine next to have like you know a a deterrent structure against russia it's crazy and is it

00:28:02.800 is it to defend kiev or is it actually go liberate crimea okay short commercial break we're going to

00:28:07.360 be back we've got the weaponization of government we've got all the strategy on the investigative

00:28:11.280 committees the debt ceiling all of it congressman matt gates joins us for the entire first hour here in

00:28:16.960 the war and we'll be back in a moment we will fight till they're all gone we rejoice with the

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00:29:52.320 uh by the way uh cpaq we need a huge showing of cpaq there's gonna be so much going on all the

00:30:00.000 presidential i think most presidential candidates will be the president trump's gonna give i think

00:30:03.680 the big speech on saturday to kind of wrap things up i think nikki haley's coming i think others other

00:30:08.400 invites out there are going to be announcing gates is going to be co-hosting war room breaking that

00:30:12.480 news right now from from from cpaq one day i'm kind of concerned about giving you too much co-host time

00:30:17.520 because it's like yeah i feel like wally pip to your luke it's it's a it's a very one thing that went

00:30:22.800 super viral was the santos interview is gates was you know not shy about telling me well you know it is a

00:30:28.960 co-host uh diminution to go from natalie winters to me so i uh no it's pretty impressive um just

00:30:36.240 real quickly tom massey's got the exclusive interview up in breitbart talking about what

00:30:39.920 he's thinking of doing this war powers thing whatever venue you you you guys just decide we

00:30:46.880 have to have biden come forward and put forward the plan we just can't continue to do this talk

00:30:51.200 it's so immature tanks now because you know tanks have a new type of warfare liberate crimea defend kiev

00:30:57.360 f-16s f-35s well you know you're going to hear the state of the union of uk but the union is going

00:31:04.320 to be ukraine's union not ours how are you guys going to respond to that oh i mean you saw how

00:31:09.040 i responded when zelinski showed up i thought that was quite powerful why did you sit when he when

00:31:13.200 the new church of the 21st century is there when i agreed with zelinski i was i was happy to stand

00:31:18.640 and applaud but i was not going to stand and applaud when he continued to assert that ukraine's future and

00:31:23.840 fate was directly tied to the future and fate of the united states i do not have that low of a view

00:31:29.040 of the united states to say that like where ukraine goes we go and it seemed like everyone else was

00:31:35.440 ready to adopt that paradigm and uh miss bobert and mr birchin and myself were not if you're if we're

00:31:41.280 tough enough just on audits alone no more weapons well i mean look you think it's a coincidence that

00:31:46.480 right as republicans take over the armed services committee and prepare for audits that there's zero

00:31:51.200 tolerance that he starts firing the people who are engaged in this corrupt conduct hold it first

00:31:55.280 off the interior minister that everything reports up to mysteriously dies in a helicopter accident

00:32:00.160 then he fires the ten guys closest to him because now he has zero tolerance zero tolerance yeah it

00:32:04.800 that's that's that's that's just a normal course of events that seemed to be a reaction more to

00:32:09.600 what was happening politically in our country than what was happening politically uh in eurasia i want

00:32:15.200 to go to uh we got the debt ceiling and then i got all the committees let's go to the debt ceiling

00:32:19.200 because i think mccarthy has really stood up here the first coming out of the white house the other

00:32:23.040 day i thought he was terrific about laying out the case about how important this is etc and he then

00:32:28.080 he came out yesterday after the thing saying oh they got a relationship they're talking he walks out

00:32:31.360 in front of the sticks in the capitol says hey i told him no clean debt ceiling right they're going

00:32:36.080 to be spending cuts kind of in your face which is about it totally cut the narrative of mfc and

00:32:41.360 cnn which is you got to come together it's going to be the end of the country yeah i think speaker

00:32:45.200 mccarthy did a good job in that meeting there let's acknowledge some facts though you know

00:32:50.320 republicans voted to raise the debt limit without preconditions during the trump administration i did

00:32:55.920 not i have never voted to raise the debt limit because i think when you max out your credit card

00:33:01.120 it's a pretty good time to start looking at your spending habits and we never seem to do that and so

00:33:06.640 we have to refocus there and let's also remember in most circumstances when republicans pick a fight

00:33:14.240 over the debt limit the republicans lose so so let's examine why the debt limit fight for republicans

00:33:21.600 in 2011 you don't think the budget control act was at least a good start it wasn't great but good

00:33:26.400 start we kind of threw it out the window eventually because of afghanistan and iraq we had the side

00:33:30.720 pocket hundred billion dollars you had to keep feeding the war machine wasn't the concept of the

00:33:34.880 budget control at the first time cut cap and balance you know had some positive downward pressure but it

00:33:41.120 wasn't enduring and so you know i think that it when you're just looking at a negotiation over top

00:33:47.440 lines that is actually never enduring let me make that as as a premise argument i believe you have

00:33:53.760 to force policy changes those become more enduring yeah i mean uh you saw because it's not about waste and

00:33:59.760 fraud and abuse you got to have fundamental yeah i mean absurd that's just a talking point yes right

00:34:05.600 and there are there are there's about half a trillion dollars in clawbacks that we should do

00:34:09.840 and in just uh distributions of funds to states that we should not make because we're repealing the

00:34:15.840 covet emergency that should be a baseline but i just don't understand why we're a country that pays

00:34:21.040 people who could go to work not to and when i how big how big a deal is that look is that come

00:34:26.560 over that come away with it is that come away with the emergency measures coming off or is it deeper

00:34:30.880 oh considerably deeper because and by the way it pays you on both sides of the ledger right if you

00:34:36.320 impose work requirements on all means tested entitlement programs for working age people not for the 0.54

00:34:42.560 disabled not for uh seniors but for working age people it's a trillion dollars in savings during the

00:34:49.600 10-year budget window this is in medicaid and other this is in medicaid and in food stamps in food

00:34:54.800 stamps discretionary spending yeah those are the biggest the biggest chunks are from the obamacare medicaid

00:35:00.240 expansion to able-bodied adults and and to so social security and it's over 400 social security

00:35:06.640 and medicare are off the table but you're saying you're taking medicaid and other aspects of

00:35:10.480 the discretionary spending if it was if it was mac gates i i think that we do need reforms to social

00:35:15.120 security and medicare i understand politically enough people but that can come later that that

00:35:20.480 that's not going to happen now right medicaid you don't need to have by the way medicaid should not

00:35:23.760 be a sacred cow big time and so but it hasn't been you notice people don't talk about

00:35:27.680 medicaid the same way they're talking about social security right right so so with medicaid i think

00:35:33.120 there's a lot of meat on the bone for savings in snap uh you can get over 400 billion in savings

00:35:38.960 just by having work requirements and then there there's a lot of money to save if we just stopped

00:35:43.680 giving tax credits to illegal aliens like how about that as is something that could unite 222 republicans

00:35:50.160 if we pick those vectors and focus on them not only do you save money but you actually drive

00:35:56.160 growth on the other end because you have higher labor participation and you're able to get small

00:36:01.840 better business confidence when people go back to work you actually you actually become a more

00:36:06.640 productive the restaurants and the small business guys actually get some employees right well and the

00:36:11.520 essence of the trump boom was that it drove the productive sectors of the economy it wasn't just

00:36:16.800 numbers moving on a spreadsheet in wall street people that worked with their hands that wore their name

00:36:21.840 on their shirt actually did better as a consequence and if you drive labor participation you drive

00:36:27.120 business confidence investment confidence at the same time you're cutting federal spending which has

00:36:31.600 been a big driver of inflation that would be a bankable win look it's not all i would do it's not

00:36:36.720 all i would want but that is ground we could defend and joe biden says that he will negotiate about

00:36:41.360 nothing so let's make joe biden negotiate on behalf of the 32 year old living on the couch who could go to

00:36:47.840 work who isn't and you're paying for their health care their transportation their cell phone their

00:36:53.040 broadband let's get that person up and working and see how to unlock the potential of this country

00:36:58.000 to get away from the rhetoric of the left which is oh you already paid for it you know all this nonsense

00:37:02.240 you hear uh and also even on the right it's not focused the two things you're talking about if you

00:37:07.520 want to get real about avoiding a fiscal fiscal and financial crisis is it's got to be policy and

00:37:13.280 commitments you can't say waste fraud and abuse it's got to be policy and the top lines exactly

00:37:17.760 talking about you know my critique of sorry of cut cap and balance is when you explain it to the

00:37:22.800 american people you we've now reached such a magnitude of the numbers that almost becomes 0.82

00:37:28.160 incomprehensible on on just you know rolling back to certain levels of spending what you have to say is

00:37:34.160 there's a policy choice we have made a social choice we've made in this country to to pay people

00:37:39.440 to not work who could otherwise work and we have to eliminate that we have to reverse that choice

00:37:44.960 and i think that gets buy-in and you know what we should be able to get some democrats on that i

00:37:49.200 don't know if you can in 2023 because this is a democrat party that can't you know that a hundred

00:37:54.160 of them can't even vote against socialism this week when that matter was on the floor uh but but

00:37:59.040 you're saying spanbury you want to talk you want to talk about swing districts where that's tough to

00:38:02.800 defend about bill clinton did deals like this with newt gingrich well you know and then you're not

00:38:07.040 juxtaposing joe biden against extreme mega republicans which is probably us instead you're

00:38:12.880 juxtaposing joe biden against bill clinton why not use that strategic option um very powerful the federal

00:38:20.880 we have thirty one and a half trillion dollars face amount at treasury we also have nine and a half

00:38:25.600 trillion dollars over the federal reserve nobody talks about mercatus this is a great study normally

00:38:31.280 because of the game with it low is zero interest rates they've been kicking in about 50 billion to 100

00:38:35.600 billion every year to get the deficit down now with the uh inverted yield curve there's a trillion

00:38:40.800 dollar loss sitting over there is there isn't this the time for the masses and and to have their

00:38:46.560 back that somehow because the federal reserve is the funding mechanism of the administrative state

00:38:51.280 don't we have to put that on the table that remember and mercatus brings us up without any

00:38:56.240 congressional authorization whatsoever they have been they've gotten nine and a half trillion dollars in

00:39:01.760 their balance sheet and they including a trillion dollars they just threw out there during covid with

00:39:06.640 no authorization and now we're sitting on a trillion dollar loss that's also going to now include with

00:39:11.600 the interest rates we have to pay over a trillion dollars in interest isn't it time to bring that

00:39:16.400 part of the equation into this and say we've got to have a frank discussion about the money printing

00:39:21.200 situation well i mean let me tell you what probably few other republicans would say and massey would 0.99

00:39:27.840 would be among those who would agree with me there's no amount of downward pressure you can put

00:39:33.600 on authorized and appropriate government spending through congress that will solve this inflation

00:39:40.080 problem in the absence of reform to fed policy no no way to do it and so if if you do not uh work on

00:39:47.840 that fed policy as well there's only so far we can take economic recovery through the united states

00:39:52.640 congress and that's a that's a really scary thing to say in a republic that the the elected representatives of

00:39:57.280 the people uh aren't able to turn the levers on this economy the way this thing gets juice isn't

00:40:02.240 this by the way the way things happen is you've got to get it out there and you move the overton window

00:40:06.800 isn't now the time for the masses of the world the matt gates of the world since you're doing such a

00:40:11.280 great job on really explaining what america first is and why it's in our what is in our vital national

00:40:15.840 security interests and what is not because you got to make tough decisions you don't have easy decisions

00:40:20.880 the same thing this is a massive teaching moment the debt this debt limit fight is the fight we want

00:40:25.920 because you have an opportunity to make it a teaching moment for the american people about

00:40:29.120 how the system works and how they pay for everything that screws them it is it is a complicated argument

00:40:35.360 and it is a difficult argument to make during a shutdown right uh explaining the way that fed policy

00:40:42.240 juices inflation is a tough split screen with people who are going to a veteran cemetery and it's padlocked

00:40:50.400 believe we get do you believe right now the cash comes in there should be no sure there won't be a

00:40:54.960 default unless they choose a default because plenty of cash that's coming in that's why they have to

00:40:58.800 show us a model do you feel comfortable making any of these decisions put it forward where the where

00:41:03.440 the treasury department has not given us for exactly what the financial plan is we don't really have a

00:41:08.000 model russ vote does things other people do things but that's like in covet where the university of

00:41:12.560 washington or hong kong or southampton we're taking their numbers but fauci never has to come out and

00:41:17.280 actually no i mean look i mean we all know they're shooting from the hip right i mean

00:41:22.400 tell the american people that is that is that when you talk about treasury the most

00:41:26.560 a six trillion dollar a year government are they shooting from the hip or do you think they really

00:41:30.800 have a handle on just the cash flows receipts in cash out yeah i i think it's it's panic mode with

00:41:38.160 the way the american people are starting to get concerned about those drivers and that's why you

00:41:44.240 saw in the last announcement not a smaller rate hike than expected but then the forecast that like

00:41:50.080 this is not over right that it was almost like in the last announcement the beatings will continue

00:41:54.560 until morale improves right um where you have whether war powers or some sort of activity on ukraine

00:42:01.040 to bring this to the front with taiwan is how where do we see progress got about a minute on the

00:42:06.560 whole thing of the death ceiling what you just talked about about policy changes where when and where

00:42:11.440 do we expect to see that come forward well look we have work to do to create a center of gravity

00:42:16.240 within the republican conference that can unite 222 voices around a single vision and if we are

00:42:23.680 unable to do that the democrats will have a single voice which is clean that was just clean that's

00:42:30.000 easy to explain uh i think tough to defend in this in the medium and long term but easy to explain in

00:42:36.240 the short term and so we have to explain that when you max out your credit card it's a pretty good

00:42:41.200 time to evaluate your spending choices there are people that we are spending money on and we are not

00:42:47.680 helping them by spending that money on them and i think that if we did not do that and we explained

00:42:52.560 it to people it's familiar people see it in their neighborhoods get them get them off the couch

00:42:57.920 yes we got to get the zoomers off the couch zoomers off the couch um brilliant okay short commercial

00:43:03.040 break we come back we got one more block and you walk us through the investigations the weaponization

00:43:07.440 all of it congressman matt gates joins us here in the war room for an entire hour debt ceiling uh

00:43:12.960 war powers act shooting down or in his case not shooting down a chinese uh spy balloon we were 0.83

00:43:19.360 walking through various hypotheticals hypotheticals i understand it i understand the grand strategic view

00:43:24.080 pretty impressive not a lot of people in congress can do that short commercial break and he wins with

00:43:28.880 huge margins in a super pro military district takes no pack money and particularly no defense

00:43:35.440 contractor money always beating swords into plowshares that's matt gates america for a short

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00:45:40.560 okay welcome back we got congressman matt gates okay all these investigations there's a lot going on

00:45:45.920 one number one is anybody kind of coordinating all of it it looks like you've made a strategic decision to

00:45:50.080 start the morning after the day after the state of the union and particularly weaponization of

00:45:55.440 government which i know is one of your things you're most focused on yeah i think that there

00:45:59.760 are certain behaviors that we see common to the enterprise of government that are really troubling

00:46:05.120 to a lot of people i mean let me just give you a few examples list building i mean i don't even know

00:46:11.200 as a congressman how many different types of lists exist that presents derogatory information about

00:46:18.000 our fellow americans how people get on these lists what due process exists how being on a list like the

00:46:24.240 no-fly list even accidentally saying government not not some list made up by twitter or oh no we're

00:46:30.320 talking about this select subcommittees focus on the weaponization of government against our people

00:46:36.080 yes and you look at the at the unconstitutional list that the atf has developed right so so i think

00:46:41.680 that is something that i'm very interested in that i think would firmly be uh within the jurisdiction

00:46:47.600 you're not a fan of the atf committee no i i think it'll be franchised that as a uh as a like a

00:46:52.480 uh... like a chucky cheese i i i i i made comments on the floor that alcohol tobacco and firearms should

00:46:58.160 be a florida convenience store chain not uh... a government agency i would abolish the atf uh... and

00:47:04.640 and certainly given the way that they've abused rulemaking authority uh... surveillance is another

00:47:10.720 vector that i think you'll really see uh... how you would be surprised will people be shocked by

00:47:15.920 agencies that we show up it is shocking to me each and every day to learn some of this stuff i mean

00:47:21.360 people have probably won't be shocked at the national security states work to surveil people because

00:47:28.400 we've exposed a lot of that but even government entities like the post office have digital

00:47:34.560 surveillance teams that assess people's political conduct and when we asked them why they did that

00:47:41.280 the answer was well if there was a political protest somewhere it might disrupt the delivery of the mail

00:47:47.040 and so under that ludicrous pretext right you're literally being spied on from everybody from you

00:47:52.960 know the the highest level spy hunters on the planet earth to the post office and and so that's an

00:47:59.840 important vector as well and then just the way the regulatory state gets gets turned on people

00:48:07.200 and you've got armed irs agents you've got armed agents at the department of education

00:48:13.840 even and you wonder why that is necessary is like the future of this of this socialist tyrannical

00:48:20.320 state that they're going to teach you critical race theory you know at the end of an uzi let's hope 0.83

00:48:24.240 not uh... but uh... arming of government agencies is quite literally the weaponization of these

00:48:30.160 agencies and why we have so many armed irs agents and armed agents across the enterprise of government

00:48:35.360 is uh... also something i expect the subcommittee okay i call for this in the stage of cpac in 17 when

00:48:40.720 i was the mother president senior advisor deconstruct the administrative state it starts with this

00:48:44.720 weaponization they're just not going to sit there with jordan and you and stefanik and these other

00:48:49.760 hammers up there they're just not going to sit there go oh this is lovely we got called we're going

00:48:53.840 what is the fight actually to get to the real information expose it to the american people so

00:48:57.920 the big flaw in the trey gowdy strategy was don't take any depositions until you get all the documents

00:49:04.080 and in a traditional litigation context that would be the preferred path but we're on the shot clock

00:49:12.160 right now you know we have to assume we have two years to do this work and have a deliverable in

00:49:16.560 this congress and so while work may go beyond that we have to have a time calibration that is precise

00:49:23.680 and so we have already started taking depositions i was taking a deposition last week and while you

00:49:29.920 i want people i want people to understand let me lay out this already already does depositions being

00:49:34.160 taken we are yeah i was in a deposition taking one of a former senior uh you know fbi official last

00:49:40.320 week and while it can be very hard to get current officials it you often face less resistance when you

00:49:47.600 get someone who has rolled out of their you know fbi doj atf uh nsa job and now they're working in the

00:49:55.840 private sector because people with a big job in the private sector for a fortune 100 company or a

00:50:02.320 tech company they don't want to see their name in in the news as having defied a subpoena and so just

00:50:08.160 historically we've gotten greater participation from people who are no longer in the direct employ

00:50:12.880 of the government and a lot of them have a lot to say about their experiences there we would encourage

00:50:18.000 whistleblower i mean some of the best whistleblowers we've had they call our congressional

00:50:22.320 office and say look i'm i'm out of service with the government i've seen some things there that i i

00:50:28.640 was unable to change in the direct chain of command but i want to see them changed now and i want to

00:50:33.680 tell you what things happened that weren't in accordance with the law or our regulatory policies

00:50:38.560 and as those folks come forward we're here to investigate their claims to uh ensure that we can

00:50:44.960 corroborate with documents with other witnesses with evidence and then we want to tell the american

00:50:51.280 people uh the story and then have legislative prop work product you know i i think that one of the

00:50:58.080 consequences of the select subcommittee could be bills to sunset some of these agencies to eliminate

00:51:03.760 some of these authorities uh to de-weaponize and then you know what that becomes the big fight on the

00:51:08.960 upcoming appropriations bills and it and because of the what the work we did at the beginning of january

00:51:13.760 it's not going to be the fight on an omnibus each of these agencies is going to have to stand up

00:51:19.120 and they're going to have to defend their budgets and we're going to have the evidence from the

00:51:22.480 weaponization subcommittee to use to try to limit the harm to our people that's the convergence of

00:51:27.840 all these strategies that's brilliant by the way this will be the hill they die on this committee they

00:51:33.520 will fight this tooth and nail this will be this will be an epic fight they they've already put some

00:51:38.240 of their uh most talented members on the subcommittee as well uh dan goldman is a killer smart worked against

00:51:44.720 that guy in impeachment he's very capable he's very bright and uh he'll be there leading the defense

00:51:50.640 of the administrative state it seems this is going to be a big one how do people get to oh we got about

00:51:54.400 a minute all your content you've got an amazing podcast all your writings everything uh firebrand

00:51:59.520 is the podcast it's everywhere on the internet we uh we're about to go over two or two million on my

00:52:06.480 personal twitter account at matt gates also on getter uh at rep matt gates everybody on twitter ought to be

00:52:11.920 all over you because it's breaking news we've actually if you um this is very impressive this

00:52:17.680 morning a lot of good news here thank you so much for doing this and thank you for the the fight that's

00:52:21.200 going on you you you went next level in those five days those were five days that changed the direction

00:52:27.920 of this country that's going to remember it in history the when people go back and write the history

00:52:31.760 it wasn't a destination it's part of the process we've got to keep our shoulder to the wheel trust the

00:52:35.840 process as long as you keep grinding there's a lot going behind the scenes thank you honor to have

00:52:39.040 you on here okay 90 second break i'll take a short break 90 second break we got miranda diviner the

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Bannon's War Room - February 03, 2023

Episode 2491： Standing Up To The National Security State

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