Bannon's War Room - Episode 2493： The Testing Of China

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:09.900 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:16.500 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:20.260 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do

00:00:23.640 people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these

00:00:31.360 people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to

00:00:38.920 save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bannett

00:00:46.980 this point um the balloon doesn't pose to have any to pose any risks to citizens how is it that

00:00:58.280 the u.s can assess that given that the balloon is at such an altitude you know without actually

00:01:02.420 getting eyes on it up close and assessing the equipment that's on board um and secondly um

00:01:07.660 are there any alternatives being considered to shooting it down is there any option to take

00:01:11.080 this balloon out of the sky intact to maybe get a better look at that equipment yeah so so again

00:01:16.780 uh this is a surveillance balloon uh hover you know operating at about 60 000 feet um clearly you

00:01:25.940 know we did a very close assessment in terms of uh what it's doing uh and as i mentioned uh military

00:01:33.740 commanders have assessed that there is no physical or military threat to people on the ground

00:01:39.420 um and so uh in that regard we'll continue to monitor uh in terms of way ahead we will continue

00:01:46.500 to review options but i'm not going to have anything further to provide on that so thank

00:01:50.460 you is the option of shooting down the balloon particularly as it's going over more populated

00:01:56.380 areas off the table is that still amongst the options that that the u.s military is considering

00:02:01.840 and if so under what conditions would it do so yeah thanks nancy so so at this stage uh what i can

00:02:07.040 tell you is again um we're reviewing options i'm not i'm not going to go into more specifics than

00:02:12.580 that uh and when and if there's any updates to provide we'll let you know it's been ruled out

00:02:16.480 again we're monitoring it we're reviewing options let's leave it there and then a senior defense

00:02:21.600 official yesterday said that um similar incidents had happened under the previous administration

00:02:27.540 and yet some of those administration officials have come forward and said they're not familiar

00:02:31.460 with it is there any way you could give us more details on when it's happened over whether it was

00:02:36.440 over the continental u.s or over u.s territories is that something you could potentially take to provide

00:02:41.680 the public more details about the extent that these things happen so what i would tell you right now

00:02:46.380 is um that information is classified i'm not able to provide it other than um i can confirm that there

00:02:54.760 have been other uh incidents where balloons did come close to or cross over u.s territory like this was

00:03:02.140 this trip was coming at a time when they were trying to tone down the temperature in the relationship

00:03:06.980 and then you know the chinese end up doing something like this you know it's entirely appropriate 1.00

00:03:11.440 for brink blinken to postpone the trip but you know he can demarce him on this next week or next

00:03:16.980 month it doesn't matter but this is again a sign of how the relationship this is coming on the in

00:03:22.000 the aftermath of austin's uh visit to the region and announcement of new base arrangements with the

00:03:26.880 philippines you know increased u.s japan korea exercising in the region you know the temperature is

00:03:32.200 going up in the relationship and here we had an opportunity to to bring it down a little bit and then the chinese 1.00

00:03:37.460 have this balloon flying in the area that makes it impossible for the secretary of state to go

00:03:41.980 if you were still with the nsc how would you advise the biden administration moving forward victor

00:03:47.420 well i mean i still think they have to keep their eye on the ball right china is the pacing threat 1.00

00:03:53.660 uh continue to deal with this question of how do you crave more is affecting china's designs on taiwan

00:03:58.860 continue to build up defense capabilities in taiwan improve capabilities of all the allies in reach

00:04:04.280 in the region that's china's the pacing threat so that's what we have to focus on this particular

00:04:09.160 balloon is certainly a problem and again it speaks to their broader intelligence gathering campaign

00:04:13.920 against the united states but we have to keep our eye on the ball with regard to that and then also find

00:04:18.980 guardrails in the relationship which was what blinkership was about but we can't do that if the chinese 1.00

00:04:24.340 are doing things like this that embarrass the administration carry your latest article for foreign affairs is

00:04:30.700 entitled don't fear putin's demise you write in part quote putin's effort to restore russia's lost

00:04:37.340 empire is destined to fail the moment is therefore ripe for a transition to democracy and a devolution

00:04:44.980 of power to the regional levels but for such a political transformation to take place putin must be

00:04:52.020 defeated militarily in ukraine a decisive loss on the battlefield would pierce putin's aura

00:04:59.260 of invincibility and expose him as the architect of a failing state making his regime vulnerable

00:05:06.020 to challenge from within you heard the report uh putin's threats of of nuclear weapons uh do you do

00:05:15.340 you not fear that do you not fear that if putin is pushed to to to the wall and if he feels there's

00:05:22.120 an existential threat not only to his regime but to his life that he would use nuclear weapons 0.70

00:05:26.680 by the way he hasn't said nuclear it's you know it's a fantasy of those who trying to pretend that you know

00:05:32.580 the hypothetical threat of of nuclear uh attack uh could uh make us slow down supply of weapons to ukraine

00:05:41.100 putin talked about uh different kind of wars but he never never mentioned nuclear in the in this speech

00:05:46.440 i listen it's it's in in russian original so that's why again be sure that you know putin keeps

00:05:51.620 playing the same card he's he's bluffing it always worked and now he could sense that there is still

00:05:56.460 a weakness on the side of his counterpart i'm not talking about ukrainians who are resilient who

00:06:01.600 are fighting heroically but look at america and europe there's still disagreement about the strategic

00:06:07.180 goal of this war we still have senior members of this administration talking about negotiated outcome

00:06:12.840 they're trying to push this false narrative that every war ends up at negotiating table that's nothing

00:06:19.100 could be further from the truth world war ii the war on the values i never had has not ended on

00:06:25.320 negotiating table american civil war has not ended on negotiating table because when you fight for

00:06:30.480 principles there's nothing to negotiate so uh so let me repeat the question though gary uh and and we

00:06:39.460 agree on much um and we have agreed on much for a very long time uh but um i think you actually do have

00:06:47.620 to worry about uh a madman who is sitting on more nuclear weapons than any other country

00:06:52.840 on the planet do you not fear the possibility that vladimir putin could resort to using nuclear weapons

00:06:58.880 no i i think it can happen you know you could have a big asteroid hitting earth yes definitely we

00:07:04.160 should take into account i mean this is there's a little different there is a chance but if we had

00:07:09.740 if we had if we had more time you know i could tell you that the chances are very very small

00:07:14.220 that's morning joe that's that's what the elites in the city watch every morning that kind of loose

00:07:19.380 dangerous talk when they're talking about a border dispute on the eastern a russian-speaking eastern

00:07:26.340 border of ukraine according it to the uh world war ii in the american civil war where we need

00:07:33.980 unconditional we need a total complete victory over the russian army um for unconditional surrender

00:07:41.520 on the 80th anniversary or close to the 80th anniversary a couple days ago of the surrender

00:07:47.860 of the german sixth army it's stalingrad and putin has brought up stalingrad for the people to hold

00:07:54.160 i want to bring in dr kevin roberts president over at heritage a lot of things about debt about money

00:08:00.260 he's written an incredible piece over the american conservative on the defense budget but i i just

00:08:05.220 want to before we get into the details i just want your overview given you understand history as well

00:08:11.960 as anybody where are we right now on this we've got it's not a balloon right it's a it's a it's a

00:08:19.220 surveillance of course they say it's a weather survey it's a spy uh you know it's a supply device

00:08:25.060 a spy device right now over the united states floating around the arrogance of that and in this headline we

00:08:31.560 said this morning we started the show saying you know in the in the financial times london blinking

00:08:35.920 to meet xi during landmark china visit in sign of thawing relations and this was the cheerleading

00:08:42.400 the uniparty the party of davos the city of london wall street yes things are thawing we're gonna

00:08:48.640 when they're at war with us economic war political war information war and by before the show was over

00:08:55.600 blinking and postponed so dr roberts put in perspective particularly

00:08:59.540 this increasingly war toxins sounded and now you got msnbc with kasparov on they're talking about

00:09:07.100 defeating a a crushing defeat of the russian army in ukraine right uh that and we don't have to worry

00:09:16.620 about nuclear weapons because the probability is you know a asteroid could hit the earth this kind of

00:09:21.960 loose dangerous talk dr kevin roberts steve thanks for having me in spite of the fact that you subjected

00:09:28.680 me to more morning joe than i've listened to probably in my life but that that that aside my

00:09:34.200 friend let me say that that exchange on morning joe between the anchor and mr kasparov reveals a

00:09:40.820 concern that i have and that tens of millions of americans have had since the beginning of the

00:09:45.680 ukrainian conflict and conflict and it's this with each tranche of u.s military aid to ukraine and i

00:09:53.000 i think it's helpful to defend people or help to defend people fighting for their sovereignty

00:09:57.740 the rhetoric has changed from the united states is never going to have our own troops on the ground

00:10:03.420 to just in the last week in addition to what we just heard members of congress saying well we need

00:10:08.820 to open the door to american contractors being there to show the ukrainians how to use the tanks that

00:10:14.440 we're sending you and i both have been around long enough to know that you give the imperial city of dc a

00:10:20.600 couple of weeks to change that rhetoric to the next step which is well we need a small contingent

00:10:26.340 of american military there all of that to say this the russian army is not going to be defeated by

00:10:33.580 ukraine this war is at best at a stalemate and what worries me for our kids for people's grandchildren

00:10:41.220 in the united states is that the only way russia would ever be defeated decisively is if there are

00:10:47.260 american troops on the ground and that's not where we need to be focused clearly the balloon

00:10:52.480 continuing to fly over the continental united states needs to be our focus and not only is it a travesty

00:10:59.960 not only is it evil it begs a lot of questions about how financially conflicted the president united

00:11:05.640 states is with the ccp the heritage is is known i think best is when ron reagan you know being the

00:11:14.320 intellectual foundation for the reagan revolution and particularly for the evil empire and confronting 0.99

00:11:20.200 the soviet union at the time so i think when people naturally think of heritage they think of hawks

00:11:24.920 you know and i consider myself a hawk but i'm also quite concerned about the national security

00:11:30.920 implications of our spending and our debt and the defense budget has got to be brought up there

00:11:35.080 just walk through what what is the mindset of heritage still is our most important think tank

00:11:39.520 of heritage particularly in national security and national defense when you look at and you weigh and

00:11:45.020 measure ukraine on one hand and the defense of taiwan on the other sir well i can tell you to your

00:11:51.420 general question about our posture we believe in reagan's principle of peace through strength you know

00:11:57.020 i'm a son of the cold war you yourself serve the country in that steve as so many of your audience

00:12:02.120 did that hasn't changed what's changed and this is something that i touched on in an american

00:12:06.840 conservative piece is that in 2023 our fiscal situation is much weaker than it was in 1983 and i would like

00:12:15.960 to think that if president reagan were part of this conversation you and i are having right now

00:12:20.000 he would say you guys need to understand you you probably can't fight a one front war let alone

00:12:27.000 what the pentagon tells us they can do that you can fight a two front war so our defense scholars at

00:12:32.160 heritage for the first time in the history of our index of military strength steve rated the united

00:12:38.120 states military as weak that concerns me because i want to be sure that america has a strong presence

00:12:44.460 around the world a very responsible one but this is the problem just as we discovered in the 1970s

00:12:50.600 1980s that led to this goldwater nickels act of 1986 that totally redesigned the department of defense

00:12:57.280 there were people then who said we can't do that because the status quo is good this is the point for

00:13:03.680 those of us who believe in peace through strength for those of us who believe that the right focus is on

00:13:08.860 the chinese communist party and not spending over a hundred billion dollars of our precious resources

00:13:14.760 on ukraine we have to confront that the pentagon is irresponsible and it's spending to be sure

00:13:23.200 non-defense spending is irresponsible too and we need to cut that as well but what we're trying to push

00:13:28.000 at heritage is an honest conversation across the political spectrum starting on the political right

00:13:34.020 that we we ought to be able to be building missile programs and munitions programs for the next war

00:13:39.800 but of course to sum up here steve as you know well in washington dc just asking those questions

00:13:45.740 means that you're an enemy of the status quo the key thing to understand is that if someone is opposed

00:13:52.280 to the reform of defense spending they are opposed to america winning the next war to be pro defense

00:13:59.920 spending reform is to be pro america winning the next conflict that's the conversation just as we did in

00:14:06.680 the 1980s that we're trying to lead given the respect by the way we'll take a short commercial

00:14:12.540 break dr robert's going to the other side the question i have that we would like answered coming

00:14:16.620 back is that given the respect people put in the heritage index how do you spend 800 billion dollars a

00:14:25.380 year and have heritage have heritage list you as weak now it's 848 billion dollars so we're gonna come

00:14:31.600 back heritage for the first time it was listed the united states military is weak over on their index

00:14:36.580 for spending 800 billion 848 billion and that's just how they account for it it's actually a

00:14:41.400 trillion when you add it all up we'll be back in a moment with dr roberts about how we're going to

00:14:47.460 get our hands around this national security issue the debt spending in the defense budget next in the

00:14:53.440 word despite the u.s blowing through 31.4 trillion dollar debt ceiling in january the leftist white

00:15:06.080 house still refuses to reduce spending while our national leadership has buried their heads in the

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00:16:26.580 of the chinese surveillance balloon in u.s airspace i spoke this morning with director of the ccp central

00:16:34.420 foreign affairs office wang yi to convey that in light of china's unacceptable action i am postponing my

00:16:41.180 planned travel this weekend to china as you know president biden and president xi agreed during

00:16:48.200 their meetings in bali in november that i would travel to beijing to follow up on their discussions

00:16:53.240 we've been working across the u.s government to prepare for a substantive set of discussions

00:16:57.520 on issues that matter to the american people and to people around the world and we've been engaging

00:17:03.240 for some time with our counterparts in beijing to prepare for these meetings yesterday the department

00:17:09.740 of defense announced that we had detected and we're tracking a high altitude surveillance balloon

00:17:14.500 that remains over the continental united states we continue to track and monitor the balloon closely

00:17:20.200 we're confident this is a chinese surveillance balloon once we detected the balloon the u.s government

00:17:27.580 acted immediately to protect against the collection of sensitive information we communicated with the

00:17:33.500 prc government directly through multiple channels about this issue members of my team consulted with

00:17:40.120 our partners and other agencies and in congress we also engaged our close allies and partners to

00:17:45.640 inform them of the presence of the surveillance balloon in our airspace we concluded that conditions

00:17:51.560 were not conducive for a constructive visit at this time and my call today with director wang yi

00:17:58.400 i made clear that the presence of this surveillance balloon in u.s airspace is a clear violation of

00:18:04.480 u.s sovereignty and international law that it's an irresponsible act and that the prc's decision to

00:18:10.880 take this action on the even by plan visit is detrimental to the substantive discussions that we were prepared

00:18:16.780 to have i told director wang that the united states remains committed to diplomatic engagement with china

00:18:23.640 and that i plan to visit beijing when conditions allow republican congressman james comber of kentucky

00:18:29.920 chairman of the house oversight committee is in focus now um what is your greatest concern as we track

00:18:36.560 something that is the size of three buses now that china says was taken by wind wind that we can't substantiate

00:18:42.880 well i have concern this is going to be another example of the biden administration's weakness on the national scale

00:18:50.600 i mean you you look at what happened in afghanistan that hurt the reputation of america's military

00:18:57.180 strength that hurt the reputation of our commander in chief and now we have china clearly playing games 1.00

00:19:04.020 with the united states this balloon never should have been allowed to cross over into the past the

00:19:10.420 pacific coast under the continental united states never should have happened you know my concern is that

00:19:15.860 the uh federal government obviously doesn't know what's in that balloon is that bioweapons in that

00:19:21.200 balloon is it did that balloon take off from wuhan you know we don't know anything about that balloon

00:19:26.340 but the fact that this balloon was slowly making its way to the united states for several days and this

00:19:33.880 administration never alerted anyone about the possibility of this balloon coming over the united states

00:19:39.400 is very concerning it's very concerning they didn't shoot it out of the air before it even reached the

00:19:43.280 continental united states oh chairman let me stop you there what do you mean never alerted anyone you

00:19:47.420 mean our guest is uh and went on you know comer is not a individual he's a lawyer kind of like colombo

00:19:55.560 because run this uh he's running these investigations um over and oversight he's not somebody comes in

00:20:01.120 with a sarin fire so dr roberts i'd like to once again ask you about this current situation but i also

00:20:07.200 want people to understand your heritage assessment of the united states military is weak

00:20:12.160 is not just the weakness of the biden administration it's also force structure it's kind of the

00:20:18.080 systemic issues dealing with the united states military the pentagon all of it it's not just that

00:20:23.580 we have it's over and above or deeper than just the hapless political leadership in this country am i

00:20:30.620 correct on that you're 100 correct in fact steve the the biden regime is just the exclamation point

00:20:37.120 on what has been a very long-running trend really accelerated during the obama years explicitly by

00:20:43.960 president obama to make sure that our military was weaker smaller quote-unquote less expensive

00:20:50.220 and only because of some some courage on the policy point by president trump are we not in an even

00:20:57.240 greater unmitigated disaster now and so i really want to underscore the point about the significance of

00:21:03.800 the heritage foundation saying that our military is weak when when our scholars including a three-star

00:21:09.520 general who heads up this work and and people who have served this country admirably realized that

00:21:15.080 objectively for the first time in that index was what the score was going to be they they rushed to

00:21:21.000 my office and they said kevin we can't believe it's this bad we we know in our heart of hearts that

00:21:26.360 things are terrible but the numbers are terrible and so any person listening to this needs to know

00:21:31.720 you have to start fixing this now and this is a department of defense that rather than focusing

00:21:38.220 on developing new programs new planes new tanks new new war material for an increasingly likely

00:21:45.380 conflict with the ccp is instead spending billions of dollars on sensitivity training and pronouns and 0.68

00:21:51.100 diversity equity inclusion this has to stop and i'm so grateful that even though the republicans have

00:21:57.500 just a slim majority in the house they at least have the gavels of all of the committees and they're

00:22:02.200 doing an excellent job in my opinion thus far in showing what we must do in order to regain our strength

00:22:08.180 so this article in american conservative you talk about money ball and i think the question our audience

00:22:14.580 says is hey dr roberts how did the guys at heritage say it's weak and we're spending 800 billion

00:22:20.840 dollars a year really a trillion dollars a year in defense how can we spend this much money

00:22:25.080 and now we're on the on this heritage scale we're actually weak and and your solution is what sir

00:22:31.780 there are three big factors that contribute to that unfortunate reality of spending basically a

00:22:38.340 trillion dollars and the military still being weak the first is that there's there's groupthink inside

00:22:43.780 the pentagon no disrespect to our men and women in uniform even those who are left of center in key

00:22:48.880 positions we're grateful for their service but the problem is twice in the history of the department of

00:22:53.940 defense at least that agency which is what it is has has become susceptible to groupthink which blocks

00:23:00.380 off innovation and and we know as i mentioned the goldwater nichols act of 1986 a long forgotten

00:23:06.520 but very important restructuring of the pentagon forced the department of defense to be prepared

00:23:12.120 for the next war so the first factor is the pentagon itself the second is the political reality steve

00:23:18.080 i've visited with several dozen members of the house in the last couple of weeks on this issue

00:23:23.740 and not a single one of them even those who are right-minded about reforming the department of defense

00:23:29.000 looks forward to to those votes where they're going to be ending some military programs in their district

00:23:36.100 and potentially starting some new military programs in someone else's but once in a while we have to have

00:23:42.600 political courage to do the right thing and the third thing as i'm sure your audience intuits the

00:23:47.700 amount of money in washington dc spent by k street lobbyists to perpetuate programs like the ch-47

00:23:55.360 that the army has been asking for three years to end means that there are all kinds of forces

00:24:01.700 arrayed against innovation and so the solution is for congress this term to demand that there be two or

00:24:09.380 three substantive cuts of missile munitions programs that don't work and urge require the department of

00:24:16.780 defense to begin building those programs that in fact prepare us well for war in china heritage has a

00:24:23.500 slew of recommendations in the what i would call the social sphere of the pentagon where unfortunately

00:24:30.040 under biden we've been spending way too much money uh you've got rick stern over there you you have a

00:24:37.120 balanced budget program called the heritage budget blueprint we're going to make sure everybody in the

00:24:41.360 audience gets access to that but this defense spending is in the larger context of the debt ceiling in the

00:24:46.400 negotiation what is heritage position in this sir our position is actually believe it or not very similar to

00:24:54.240 speaker mccarthy's i think he's done a good job on this thus far and it is this rather than focused on being

00:24:59.820 focused on the dollar amount we need to be focused on extending the debt ceiling for two years keep in mind

00:25:05.700 i'm a fiscal hawk and i'm saying that i wish the debt ceiling were a lot lower i'm nodding to the political

00:25:10.800 realities you got to read between the lines and realize that what the democrats are trying to set up is that the

00:25:17.200 republican nominee whoever he or she will be in 2024 will be fraught with that decision mccarthy's playing a very

00:25:24.640 important uh play here by wanting to extend the debt ceiling two years second point really important

00:25:30.660 there has to be spending caps for every dollar that the debt ceiling is increased there needs to be a

00:25:36.880 corresponding dollar of cuts in in in discretionary spending it's crucial that we do that in order to

00:25:43.620 set up and this is where i'm coming from with that article on defense spending steve the next big budget fight

00:25:49.880 on defense spending on non-defense spending that's when the republicans that's when the conservative

00:25:55.000 movement will be able to get our hands around it my colleague richard stern guides this work for

00:25:59.800 heritage and is excellent yeah we'll have richard on let me ask you what in the time we've got remaining

00:26:05.220 are you going to do the spending cuts in the appropriate we got an appropriations process that's

00:26:10.400 hurtling towards regular order and not an omnibus bill but we've committed to actually have an

00:26:15.160 appropriations a plan that lays it out this spring this summer so it's approved before september you've

00:26:21.040 got the debt ceiling fight now are the big cuts that you're talking about going to come in that

00:26:27.140 appropriations process that will be outside the debt ceiling negotiations some some of them will just

00:26:33.460 because of of the math problem that it is and those that will to be somewhat specific steve will be

00:26:39.240 especially in the the social area of the pentagon we know at heritage it's going to take a long time

00:26:45.140 to get the department of defense to make a pivot on some of these munitions programs that's why we're

00:26:49.860 raising the flag now that we have to start the conversation and i'm grateful to so many members of the

00:26:56.020 house and senate on our side who recognize because they are like you and me defense hawks we have to

00:27:01.980 change what we're doing because if we're against these reforms in the department of defense america will

00:27:07.100 only be weaker dr roberts how do people get access we've had so many of the great folks from uh we

00:27:13.760 had ej on yesterday we had some of the great folks mike howl etc how do people get more access to uh to

00:27:19.980 um heritage and your social media heritage.org is the website you can follow us also on twitter

00:27:27.480 instagram you know all the social channels you can follow me at kevin roberts tx kevin roberts texas

00:27:33.620 fantastic and we're going to push out this uh your blueprint on the uh defense side to get to

00:27:40.460 focus on money ball uh dr roberts thank you very much and great job over heritage fantastic thanks

00:27:45.580 steve take care okay short commercial break uh we're going to get boris and we're going to talk

00:27:52.280 about ukraine now they want an unconditional surrender of the right that's the new thing it's

00:27:58.360 not liberate uh crimea now it's unconditional surrender of the russian army

00:28:01.940 if you don't think your sons and daughters that they want your sons and daughters in the

00:28:07.420 charnel house of eastern ukraine you would be incorrect that's exactly where they want not

00:28:12.360 just your money they want your kids all next in the war room 0.89

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00:29:47.720 public sq.com that's public sq.com empire is destined to fail the moment is therefore ripe for a transition

00:29:58.840 to democracy and a devolution of power to the regional levels but for such a political transformation

00:30:05.620 to take place putin must be defeated militarily in ukraine a decisive loss on the battlefield would

00:30:14.020 pierce putin's aura of invincibility and expose him as the architect of a failing state making his

00:30:21.440 regime vulnerable to challenge from within you heard the report uh putin's threats of of nuclear

00:30:29.980 weapons uh do you do you not fear that do you not fear that if putin is pushed to to do the wall

00:30:36.780 and if he feels there's an existential threat not only to his regime but to his life that he would use

00:30:42.240 nuclear weapons by the way he hasn't said nuclear it's you know it's a fantasy of those who trying to

00:30:48.160 pretend that you know the hypothetical threat of of nuclear uh attack uh could uh make us slow down

00:30:56.000 supply of weapons to ukraine putin talked about uh different kind of wars but he never never mentioned

00:31:01.600 nuclear in the in this speech i listen it's it's in in russian original so that's why again be sure

00:31:06.640 that you know putin keeps playing the same card he's he's bluffing it always worked and now he could

00:31:12.020 sense that there is still a weakness on the side of his counterpart i'm not talking about ukrainians

00:31:16.620 who are resilient who are fighting heroically but look at america and europe there's still

00:31:21.800 disagreement about the strategic goal of this war we still have senior members of this administration

00:31:26.800 talking about negotiated outcome they're trying to push this false narrative that every war ends up

00:31:33.740 at negotiating table that's nothing could be further from the truce world war ii the war on the values

00:31:39.460 i never had has not ended on negotiating table american civil war has not ended on negotiating table

00:31:45.960 because when you fight for principles there's nothing to negotiate so uh so let me repeat the

00:31:53.240 question though gary uh and and we agree on much uh and we have agreed on much for a very long time

00:32:00.500 uh but um i think you actually do have to worry about uh a madman who is sitting on more nuclear

00:32:07.780 weapons than any other country on the planet do you not fear the possibility that vladimir putin

00:32:13.260 could resort to using nuclear weapons no i i think it can happen you know you could have a big asteroid

00:32:18.880 hitting earth yes definitely we should take into account i mean this is there's a little different

00:32:23.800 there is a chance but if we had if we had more time you know i could tell you that the chances are

00:32:29.440 are very very small but the problem is you know if we um let this blackmail work then you know we have

00:32:36.260 to probably close nata because then the same threat will be used to conquer lithuania latvia poland

00:32:42.000 any other other country uh this is this is a unique moment where we can actually end this this this

00:32:47.780 the story of russian empire and offering russians and countries surrounding russia a chance to live

00:32:53.880 in peace the simple thing if putin stays in power the war will never end because every empire survives

00:32:59.740 only by expanding economically russia is in terrible shape this there's no hope of economic expansion

00:33:04.600 which means war so beating putin on the battlefield and creating conditions for his removal in russia

00:33:10.900 because many russians you know as as has happened uh before in our history will never forget uh uh the

00:33:16.780 the military defeat the geopolitical catastrophe that's the that's that creates ripe conditions for for

00:33:21.940 regime change in right inside our country so that's that's that's the best hope for everybody not

00:33:25.940 only ukrainians boris epstein uh he's arguing right there and they're nodding their heads for a um

00:33:35.120 unconditional battlefield defeat of the russian army in ukraine uh sir it how is that madness or not sir

00:33:43.800 steve honored me with you honored me with the war room posse gary kastrov never did recover from being

00:33:51.060 crushed by the ibm super computer or by kromnick in that uh you know to that vein i guess this is what

00:33:58.920 happens when you have liberal chess players trying to trying to pretend to be some sort of experts on

00:34:04.100 international policy or or world politics kastrov knows you know kastrov knows almost as little

00:34:12.140 about international affairs as as everybody does it over there morning mika mika brzezinski whose

00:34:19.320 father's father's one of the worst uh foreign affairs uh actors in american history uh and of

00:34:26.380 course uh you know your morning joe who was you know knows nothing about nothing except for what

00:34:31.260 may or may not have happened at his uh congressional office over there in florida uh you know almost 20

00:34:37.400 years ago here's the problem the problem is that no talking about nuclear weapons is not like

00:34:43.500 an asteroid hitting earth and talking about a full military defeat in ukraine for for putin by the

00:34:49.700 way again i was one of the first people from our side of the spectrum politically to say that this

00:34:55.300 was a major mistake by vladimir putin and i'm proud and honored to have done it on this air almost a year

00:35:01.080 ago now it was a mistake then it remains a huge mistake now however pushing for for a goal to be the

00:35:08.140 full military defeat and then regime change in russia is actually is driving america toward what gary

00:35:16.220 castle not even realizing his own you know sort of feeble political mind is calling for which is

00:35:22.520 a repeat of world war ii look at the example he gave oh world war ii and oh the civil war well okay

00:35:28.660 gary so if you want millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people around

00:35:34.040 the world and specifically of america to die for your political perspective and yes that is a

00:35:42.940 perspective that is shared by many but that you know in the end that is that that is gary you then

00:35:48.480 you can continue pushing but here's my question if gary's so into this and he's all in on you know

00:35:53.200 hey let's go and uh have a full military victory in in the ukraine and everybody's got to be engaged

00:35:58.100 on the front line what's he doing on morning nico why isn't he over there in the ukraine fighting

00:36:01.740 let me play uh by the way he makes a criticism there about people about negotiation this is

00:36:08.580 right after president trump goes heck i can solve this in 24 hours he said in new hampshire he said

00:36:13.000 again in south carolina he said repeatedly uh president trump is out today with a new video

00:36:17.840 can we go ahead and play that and have boris's response let's play the president trump about the ccp

00:36:22.360 it's rarely even mentioned that china has many thousands of spies working in the united states in

00:36:30.200 business finance academia technology media and likely even government very sadly as president i

00:36:38.080 established a special initiative at the department of justice tasked with the sole mission of targeting

00:36:44.700 chinese espionage in the united states joe biden terminated that program right away suggesting that

00:36:52.860 it was somehow racist according to published reports this came shortly after 160 faculty members of

00:37:00.000 the university of pennsylvania where i went to school the wharton school of finance home of the now

00:37:06.520 infamous biden center wrote to merrick garland and demanded that the chinese espionage initiative

00:37:14.620 be shut down immediately congress needs to dig deep into the financial operations of the

00:37:21.820 university of pennsylvania it's chinese donors the biden center and the biden family and figure out

00:37:28.280 what the hell is going on as president i took the most dramatic action of any administration to 0.52

00:37:34.780 curtail china's ability to conduct espionage in the united states and when i'm back in the white house

00:37:40.920 those efforts will be expanded in a very very big way instead of hunting down republicans a reformed

00:37:48.760 the fbi and justice department will be hunting down chinese spies we will create new partnerships with

00:37:56.920 businesses and universities to give them the tools to protect themselves from insider threats we will

00:38:04.220 also impose whatever visa sanctions and travel restrictions are necessary to shut off chinese 1.00

00:38:10.060 access to american secrets in compliance with our demands and in compliance with our laws the fbi even

00:38:18.620 recently admitted that china operates a secret police force on american soil how do you like that one

00:38:24.740 imposing the iron fist of the communist party the rule think of this the communist party rule on chinese 0.86

00:38:33.660 nationals and the united states just think about that we will shut that down and we will shut it down

00:38:39.960 call thank you very much boris we just had uh you know this morning they said um uh blinken's the financial

00:38:49.540 time said blinken's going over to meet with she uh and tiger tiger ye because there's a thawing of

00:38:55.560 relationships sir we're about to have these huge investigations start next week they're already

00:39:00.080 taking depositions we have a spy balloon the size of the carriage on its size of three school buses

00:39:07.920 right um and the biden administration refuses to shut it down in fact john tester john tester's just

00:39:15.420 come out with a tweet uh or john tester's been quoted it's been out by cnn that he's he's the senior

00:39:22.000 appropriator in the senate he's saying that he's calling for a meeting a hearing immediately

00:39:27.760 to have the biden administration this is a left-wing democrat to have a biden administration

00:39:32.040 come before the senate and say exactly how this happened how long they known about it why weren't

00:39:37.800 people notified because tester understands he ain't going to be re-elected in montana right with with

00:39:44.280 with with this uh with this uh debacle in the white house so give me give me your assessment of this

00:39:50.700 chinese situation right now and your belief of president trump's perspective since he put out this very

00:39:55.500 powerhouse uh video today sir no doubt a powerhouse video president trump go right to the heart of the

00:40:02.780 matter president trump put in place a system to identify and deal eradicate with the chinese spy 0.68

00:40:11.660 program eradicate the chinese spy program in the u.s joe biden called it racist and dismantled it

00:40:17.340 hmm is that the same joe biden whose crime family has been getting billions of dollars from china

00:40:23.160 is that the same joe biden who's been buying home after home mansion after mansion with money that

00:40:29.400 came from god knows where not from this time in the senate the same joe biden whose son hunter biden

00:40:35.040 is a bag man for the uh for the biden crime family and has proven through the laptop from hell

00:40:40.780 to have had extensive relations including those rent payments that are so murky in terms of the house

00:40:46.640 coming likely and possibly from the chinese communist party so what we have right now is an illegitimate

00:40:54.880 leader with knee-deep ties to the chinese communist party who's refusing to deal with chinese spies in

00:41:01.220 america dismantling programs that would do so and now allowing a chinese spy balloon to travel peacefully 0.70

00:41:07.240 across america and you know of course john tester looks he sees he thinks hey here's a campaign

00:41:11.860 commercial the balloon with tester's face on it he doesn't like that any so now he's hauling them

00:41:16.260 into hearings president trump this morning very simply saying shoot down the balloon four words

00:41:22.340 which if we had a real leader in the ys and we will when president trump is back in there that would

00:41:26.960 have already happened and not all this nonsense with joe milley saying no that's a bad idea you know

00:41:31.060 there's uh could be some damage if the balloon shut down hello montana is not exactly a populated

00:41:37.660 urban area you've got a you've got a lot of space over there steve you know that pretty well yourself

00:41:42.780 this is a disaster for america it's a disaster for joe biden and once again and i don't say this

00:41:49.240 happily i say this sadly but it's reality elections of consequences stolen elections have catastrophic

00:41:55.700 consequences and that is why we don't have actual leadership right now in our country

00:42:00.040 uh boris uh i know you got a bounce we got about a minute uh weigh and measure

00:42:07.580 what you're seeing with on the capitol hill etc this rush into ukraine now they're all sudden

00:42:13.340 surprising at 500 000 russian troops on the border versus the handling of the ccp sir

00:42:19.120 the warmongering has got to stop okay we've got to be very serious here again

00:42:24.700 putin made a huge mistake he should have never never invaded ukraine it was a huge mistake

00:42:29.440 and yes there's a way to deal with it the way to deal with that is to engage both sides

00:42:34.480 tell putin that we are going to arm ukraine to the tilt tells ukraine hey we're not going to give

00:42:39.180 we're not going to give you anything else you two better come together and figure it out yes that

00:42:43.660 is called a negotiated resolution and by the way each war does have a negotiated resolution gary

00:42:48.300 kasparov go stick your chest okay buddy no matter how it is in the end it's negotiated and yes including 0.68

00:42:54.360 the civil war here in the united states so the key here is this let's get to a resolution let's not

00:43:00.260 let this blow up into world war three we cannot afford that financially we cannot afford that

00:43:05.940 militarily and we cannot afford that in the matter of american lives how do people get to you your

00:43:12.780 morning newsletter everything on social media boris thank you so much for having my information

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00:47:36.620 um we we tried to make sure that we that we provide a framework so that all the information

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00:47:50.860 of the things i did years and years ago in fact it was i was at the pentagon and at graduate school

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00:48:23.500 around we have to say stop this is not going to happen we had matt gates on and i realized matt gates

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00:48:44.320 biden administration and look you've seen it right here john tester john tester is as left-wing as any

00:48:52.960 guy you're gonna get in the u.s senate clearly it's an election year and he's worried about montana and

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00:49:23.340 they're supposed to the debt ceiling supposed to be hit you know it was technically hit in january

00:49:27.740 but we're supposed to be out of cash by um extraordinary measures their their concept by

00:49:34.700 june 5th that's just not true i can tell you right now one thousand percent that is just not true it's

00:49:39.360 not true and if they put forward their numbers i can show you how it's not true it's just not true

00:49:44.200 okay and you can go on for a long time and continue to pay the interest in debt but here's the point

00:49:49.960 they will not come forward with anything but happy talking these generalities and all this

00:49:54.620 in the ukraine that's what we have to force treasury to come forward and give us a financial model tell

00:49:59.320 us exactly where you are and when you want a clean debt ceiling how is it sustainable the next year in

00:50:03.900 the next year in the next year in the next year you just heard um you know dr uh kevin roberts on here

00:50:10.680 talking about kind of a political solution so as not to encumber a 2024 nominee to basically kick it two

00:50:16.980 years down the road now i'm one of the dead enders i i obviously don't agree with that but i do

00:50:22.880 appreciate that kevin mccarthy and and dr roberts and other people i respect that is one alternative

00:50:27.620 i'm a dead end i want to see the numbers i want to fight that battle now and i don't think you're

00:50:31.920 encumbering a 2024 because i think we have to have an adult sit discussion about where the nation's

00:50:38.140 finances are and how we continue to finance this without just putting money at the federal reserve

00:50:41.760 right the other is about this ukraine situation we are now in a situation where they're talking on

00:50:48.400 on on msnbc and this is how it goes they throw it out there then they start you know pushing it

00:50:53.840 that now we're talking about open not not just have we given the tanks not that they want the

00:50:58.840 the uh the the f-16s from us not that they want the missiles and the rockets and all of it they want

00:51:03.900 to support crews and now they're actually talking about confronting the russian army this would be

00:51:09.040 american combat troops to to to deliver a devastating battlefield defeat a battlefield defeat that

00:51:16.480 would lead to unconditional surrender to do that in world war ii what 120 million people died 125

00:51:24.500 million people if you did all the calculations over 100 million people 100 million people to get to the

00:51:29.740 unconditional surrender of the japanese and the germans and remember we had to bomb nazi germany back into 0.95

00:51:35.440 the stone age and we had the red army hello the one they wanted to defeat and in japan it took two

00:51:41.640 nuclear weapons the first one they weren't going to surrender until him hit with the second they

00:51:45.520 thought oh these guys got unlimited we better do this this is the kind of insanity and we need to

00:51:51.020 force a war powers act biden must come to the table if tester thinks he's got a problem where they

00:51:55.860 it's been over the aleutian islands and we didn't hear for about it for a couple of days ago

00:51:59.460 and now we know that alexander burns the head of the cia was up there briefing briefing people in a

00:52:05.220 classified briefing i think on tuesday and never brought this up that a spy balloon was over the

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Bannon's War Room - February 04, 2023

Episode 2493： The Testing Of China

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