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Bannon's War Room
- February 08, 2023
Episode 2503: Rebuttal To The SOTU The Failed Offense Of The War In Ukraine
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Word Count
10,325
Sentence Count
39
Misogynist Sentences
12
Hate Speech Sentences
9
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people you're just not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do
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people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these
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people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to
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save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k man
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okay um it's wednesday 8 february year of our lord 2023 it's the morning after uh i don't even know
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what you call this thing last night right um just the lies and misrepresentations and our enemies
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uh throughout the world in beijing right now they got to be laughing it's a disgrace i want to get
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some sense of this congressman ralph norman george i tell you what congressman thank you for joining us
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i want to play can we start with the nancy pelosi clip it goes forever but i just want to give a
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taste of it and then get your observations we won't ask that question um it is fascinating that
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republicans only seem nice i speak as a former republican republicans only seem to care about
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the debt and the deficit when there's a democrat in the white house i had no problem raising the
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debt ceiling when donald trump yeah we did three times when he was uh we had three
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encounters you know right had different results but here's the thing um we i'm a big pay as you go
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person pay go sometimes i get heat from my own caucus on that you want something we either substitute
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or pay for it the republicans are pay go except when they want to give tax cuts to the rich right
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then they don't want to pay for them so that's a big chunk of the trump debt yeah that has been
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increased so they don't want to pay for that right but and and that is congressman norman i got to ask
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you um nancy pelosi and your association with your years is she a pay as you go is that just an
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outright bald-faced lie sir steve not only is it a bald-faced lie it is pay go in she and her
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husband's pocket particularly with stock trades i mean the lady is a complete fraud the only thing she
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didn't do is is rip her her dress off and throw it up like and throw it away like she did the speech
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from donald j trump it doesn't surprise me but she's totally clueless uh every time i see her hands
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and all her theatrics it's a uh she's a complete embarrassment and um you know it's more of the
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same it doesn't surprise me be more to come and for her to be announced on the house floor by
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this fraud of a president that she's going to go down as one of the best speakers
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in the history of the country really unbelievable
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congressman you've been in fact you were one of the mighty 20 that that changed the direction of
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the whole country and and you did it and you said hey i didn't know if kevin was serious about
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getting to a balanced budget given where we are given what you heard last night given the gulf
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between the bid and the ask here on even beginning a dialogue in a negotiation on on the debt ceiling
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where where does ralph norman think we are sir and how do you think we get to the goals that you set
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out first of all let me just say i'm gonna give you what what was good about the speech last night
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that speech by that man should unify every conservative all across this country against
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anything he tries to do uh that's the good part uh now uh you're exactly right to me the you know
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economic security is national security and the reason the five of us and then as it got to the 20
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did what we did is because uh if we if we're bankrupt you cannot operate a small business a
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lemon stand much less a country so what we're going to do is is start the trajectory down uh of spending
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we've got a spending problem and kevin mccarthy while initially he was putting us on a 20-year
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time frame we don't have 20 years this country cannot go another 20 years like has happened uh under
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particularly the democrats and republicans as well so what you will see over the next couple of weeks
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is a framework of a budget that actually cuts and uh the the democrats they can throw out social
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security all they want is i mean that's their whipping boy granny's going over the cliff republicans
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leading the way and we're going to dispel that and uh now i get we've got to get 218 votes but what we
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will lay out it's going to have to come from the people up you know that steve i mean it's going to be
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from the citizens rising up and saying you need to do this and we will point out some of the things
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that uh we're going to do away with to get this country back on a uh on a sustainable future which
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it's not on right now congressman norman you're the first one really in this whole the the five days
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of change america put it out there about getting the the nation's finances and in in in order and the
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way you do that you got to address spending and you got to address it immediately do you anticipate we put
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the framework we had russ vote in here to start the show in studio this morning that you will
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propose in this regular order in the appropriations processes starting this year that there will be
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meaningful and significant cuts to the administrative state to these programs starting now not not some
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cap that comes in a couple of years but starting now absolutely it's got to be in writing and russ vote
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is one of the ones his uh his budget which was a seven-year budget that i follow and one that we
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will use as we move forward and you know it's not that difficult look at the wokeism that's being
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funded all across this country look at the green new deal that the taxpayers dollars are being uh spent
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on so we're going to lay that out agency by agency in the 12 appropriations bill and we're not going to
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give them the luxury of putting us in a box like they did uh in in december where so many people voted
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where the senate locked our hand handcuffed us till september on uh that omnibus bill so we'll face
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it head on and uh we'll see how we come out but i'm very optimistic we've we've got everybody on board
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as far as uh the conservatives and uh we've got finally and i think kevin will promote it because
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that's one of the things he committed to his his is 10 years but uh we're going to actually do it but we
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got to do more than just we got to show it where we're cutting everything should be on the table
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congressman russ made a comment i like your thoughts and they said look for too long
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the the republican party up here has always looked how to dismount how to how to just take a defeat
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that you need a bold uh turn and focus on big ideas and ideas we're getting back up and going to win
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on are you seeing this the mindset change because this is going to come from political will and
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toughness and the ability to grind this through are you seeing that right now do you think we have
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that will and that toughness up here among that core group that we can power this through sir
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every everybody is a conservative until it cuts their particular program in their particular district
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in their particular state now there is a there is a difference i mean those of us who have been
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in the business arena uh you negotiate you don't take the first you don't settle and i guess the
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biggest thing i would message i would send we're not going to settle now we're going to actually have
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real cuts uh and we're going to lay it out and the american people are going to have to bring
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those who are not used to the rough and tumble of a you know of a of a deal uh and not just words if
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if all we're going to do is is have words and shuffle the deck and still end up the same result
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that's not going to work but now you know we've got 20 of us that are still available uh if we don't
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get that we will hold out until we do and i'm sick and tired of well what we heard last night was just
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words that wasn't even uh there were lies and words and we republicans have got to back it up if we
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don't have the steel if we don't have the toughness we're going to have to get it and we've got a short
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time to do it congressman how can people follow you on this because this is the this is going to
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be the main event how do people uh get to know you better and how they get to follow you
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rep ralph norman.com uh follow me on social media twitter and uh we're going to uh lay it out there
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in the next couple of weeks i think the american people like what they see and it's common sense
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what things that we're going to cut regulations have to go with that too steve we can't just i mean
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we've got so many other things energy independence that need to go to get this country back but
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it's right now it's spending on programs that should have been sunsetted a long time ago
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and i think you will see us do that and we got to have the will to carry it through
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well this audience uh the most massive audience of activists in the country
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one thousand percent have your back from the very first time you came on i mean it was like water to
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people in the desert so just just let us know when they're at the ramparts and ready to have
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play back your play at any time so the next uh couple of weeks and months are going to be quite
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uh uh um enlightening about the fight we got ahead of us sir so honored to have you on here
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my honor thank you thank you sir congressman ralph norman from south carolina has been at the tip of
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this and the leadership of this this is why we wanted to start today with with vote and lou dobbs and um
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and um and people like norman serious people that understand the crisis we're in no more happy talk
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this and by the way it's going to be a fight remember you're the chairman of the creditors
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committee you're the full faith and credit of this nation it depends upon you it rests on your shoulders
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and this is going to be a fight because this is about money and it's about power um do we have uh
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do we have matt up and let's get matt schlap from say hey matt we've had all morning talk about this
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fight over uh spending over the debt ceiling the things that came up last night it couldn't be a
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better time to to have cpac rolling along because they're going to be presenting these budgets in the
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next couple of weeks give us an update on cpac i see some of the great new speakers you've got up
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but walk people through people are getting stoked now because understand we got to fire off the
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football to change the direction of this country sir well a couple of things first of all i give
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you credit for all these announcements coming out you know cpac is a big ordeal it's millions of
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dollars to put it on and we want to strike the right tone and uh so we're kind of like fiddling
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with the agenda as we go but we in the last uh 48 hours you can really see the tenor of the people
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that are coming and look the there's two themes here the first theme is we got a little power back
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in washington we got to reclaim our capital and part of that is now that we have the house of
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representatives constitutionally that's the power of the purse we've got to have the republican party
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say we've actually got only two powers we can subpoena people through the government reform
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committee and that's congressman james comer who's going to really really become a very important
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person in our country the second thing is the power of the purse and this is why this speaker fight
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was so critical and ralph norman i just love that man i love him as a human being and i love him as
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a leader because we have to fundamentally change through threats if necessary the fact that the
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republican party will finally use the power of the purse for the first time substantially since 1995
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and the failure the perceived failure of the government shutdown of newt gingrich and the gang back
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then we have we we feel like that's a loser to try to fight on money and and it's not because if we
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don't fight who will we're going to lose the country and i think today's republican uh... who
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has gotten elected to congress gets the fact that we have to change our process and use that power
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if the leadership doesn't use the power of the purse on the debt extension and the budget and a couple of
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these must-pass things there's going to be a new leadership and they are i steve i'm telling you they
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a hundred percent understand that
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you know it's serendipity because uh you've decided because of the the covet situation you
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went to florida you went to texas these things were fantastic you decided to bring back um cpac
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to the nation's capital and you see last night ralph norman's uh opening with us was quite uh i thought
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um brilliant if you want to see what to unify around biden did it last night with that speech and
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you couldn't have a better kickoff to this to bring everybody together to really get together
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have an open talk a partner's discussion and then fire up the football after the first couple of days
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of march who when you say that strike the tenor and the type of speaker what are the themes the
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things you're going to be talking about like the workshops and then the personalities who's coming
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and what are we going to be talking about i'll break a little news on war room my favorite place
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to break it because i literally get like the text early in the morning from bannon saying come on
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man what do we got to talk about today there's so much and i've been a little slow on the switch so
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i gotta gotta make up for that but uh jd vance is coming uh which i think is critically all right
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he's a very important new voice in the senate we have a whole slew of senators coming by the way the
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right ones uh we announced ted cruz within the last 24 hours we have laura trump coming from the
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great state of north carolina she's got a bright future team trump seems to be fully embracing cpac
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which won't surprise you um and uh although he's got to go make the case as to why he believes he
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should be the nominee and the next president uh the people of cpac have a sentimental affection for
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the president because of everything that he did and i think it's going to be a great kind of homecoming
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for him but there's going to be some of these people that want to take him on which i'm for i'm for
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letting this process unfold i think if trump is the eventual nominee i think he will be
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it makes him better to go through that process and you know steel sharpen steel and you say the
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topics we're going to be on that stage talking about you know what are we doing in ukraine uh is
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this going to lead to uh a greater conflagration in nuclear war republicans are of two minds you
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have some republicans that are like fun fun fun you got other republicans that are saying
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this is a danger we're going to talk about that on the stage we have some people that are
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detransitioning from this whole craziness of the gender battles that you know they're using to
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indoctrinate our kids that's going to be on this stage those people are going to be talking we're
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going to have what's the right way to handle pro-life now that we have the dobbs decision all this will
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be on the stage matt matt can you hang on one second we're taking a short break matt schlapp
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head of cpac uh joins us on the other side
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despite the u.s blowing through 31.4 trillion dollar debt ceiling in january the leftist white house still
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refuses to reduce spending while our national leadership has buried their heads in the sand
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back
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yeah uh we're gonna we're gonna have on there's a bunch of breaking news out of ukraine
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uh zelinski's in london as president so we're gonna have posobik darren beady and ben harnwell
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ben harnwell from rome join us momentarily you know matt um it was really we're gonna be there
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with a full not just entourage we're gonna do the show and it's really about popular demand our our
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audience had come to us in the chats and everything like that the ones that made it to dallas had such
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an incredible time and that's really kind of where with real america's voice we perfected the first time
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we really did the live audience participation uh we did it later with charlie kirk and the guys but
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that's where we really started and uh people loved it so much and even people that couldn't make it
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said hey just looking at it wish i'd come that's what we're going to do at cpac we're going to have
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a whole full do the show audience participation go to cpac.org slash worm right now you get 47
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off the ticket and i guarantee you you're going to have camaraderie and meet people and talk about
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issues but you're going to leave there and not just be the most interesting person at the dinner parties
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you go to when you get back home you're going to be one of the leaders of this movement
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because this is all about the people and you just heard ralph norman and russ vote on here say hey
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we're going to need the war room posse up on it coming the next couple of months and that's why
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cpac's so important um carrie lake's going to be there is there any other carrie and that that sets
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i think a tempo uh when you got jd vance you got carrie lake you can see the direction of this thing
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any other and by the way russ that that we should russ and ralph too are going to be there so like you
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know you it's going to almost be like war room is going to be going on in the in the hallway and
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then war room is going to be on the stage steve because the people jack is going to be there uh
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you know this is you're having the conversations that are taking place in living rooms around this
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country these are the issues people care about and some of them are somewhat controversial
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within the conservative movement the america first movement the republican party how far aggressive
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should the congress be should we be talking about things like gender confusion in our kids you know
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is marjorie taylor green right to have a bill to prevent them from giving our kids these chemicals
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sometimes without the parents even knowledge and we're on that bill we think she's got it pitch
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perfect we're going to hear from these people that are victims of this ideology you know the left tries
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to act like they care about people and they're tolerant and as we all know we've come to realize some of us
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later than others it's bs it's not because they're more compassionate it's because they have a
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maniacal ideological view of america where they want to rip her down and build her up in this
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monstrous way and kids are being slaughtered through abortion and kids are being destroyed
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through our schools and crt and this gender confusion if we can't make this fight if we can't
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stand up for that unborn child give them a chance to breathe and to live and we can't protect our kids
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at their tender at their tender ages and what are we here for
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you know um just you having the um the detransition people up on main stage is going to have the
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mainstream media completely melt down trust me that'll make you know and i didn't have time to
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play it but you had this demonic thing at the grammys the other night brought to you by pfizer and then
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joy and reid and we haven't had a chance to do we're going to do it in the next couple days
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because of pressing concerns of all this other stuff is that joy and reid came on the next day
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and she spiked the football she said hey we're winning the culture wars you guys got nothing
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and you guys have lost you got to understand your loss that's why i think cpac is so important
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particularly on this on the whole thing of woke and weaponized you made a comment when you're on the
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other day and i i would be remiss if i didn't bring it up in the fact that the the the liberal media
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progressive media absolutely vapor locked i want to make sure the audience got the subtlety of it
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you said hey i'm gonna go full hungarian that meant victor orban and we love victor orban in fact
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had a chance to meet him again at cpac dallas uh the war and posse loved his speech i i think
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in all the great speeches that were given in dallas his was the the the landmark what did you mean by
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you're going to be victor orban uh for this cpac what what does that mean i said we're going to go
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full hungarian which is we learned when we went to to hungary for cpac steve that you had all this
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european media that thought that it was weird that we would have flown over rome and paris and
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all these other great capitals to go to this little country hungary with someone they consider a fascist
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leader like there must be something nefarious why would anybody want to go to hungary we went to
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hungary and realized these people are wonderful people uh that uh are are have a have a great story
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to tell and the hungarians who ran the conference said look if you're a fake journalist that just wants
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to lie about victor orban and what we're trying to do from a policy standpoint why don't you just
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not come in the doors and i was like well that's a terrible thing at cpac in america we let everyone
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in and i you know i've even realized even recently it's like there are some media outlets in this
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country i don't know who funds them by the way i think that's the next step to start asking
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that they are interested not in being any member of the media they're just in to destroying as many
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steve bannons as many people uh associated with cpac as as many people like donald trump as they
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possibly can that's not being immediate that's being a political organization and they need to
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be treated that way why would we give the dnc media passes to come to the to cpac we wouldn't so these
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people are just basically arms of the dnc maybe even arms of the regime in beijing maybe even arms of
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other enemies across the globe like george soros and others and the world economic forum and guess what
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uh we're not going to treat them in the same way that we've treated them in the past it's time for
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us to get smarter and if i'm slow to the game uh i won't be anymore i'll tell you that much
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amen uh one more time matt where can people go uh you can go to cpac.org slash war room to get
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your discount but find out more even about cpac where do people go yeah just go to our website
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conservative.org cpac.org see all the speakers that are that are coming uh you really won't want to
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miss it but let me just say this one final thing if we have a big crowd at cpac and if we send the
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message that we haven't given up on the nation's capital even though it's got a perfectly terrible
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mayor and pelosi and gang have been running things for too long if we send that message you give so
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much hope to so many people and then you as an individual you're feeling despondent you wonder what
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can you do to save your country if you come to this event i guarantee you you're going to leave so
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full of bim and vigor to go out there and make these fights for the country it could actually change
00:22:56.820
things and that's why we do the conference it's not just about people talking it's about changing
00:23:00.640
the course of history yeah no it's the camaraderie and it's the teamwork that comes out of there and
00:23:06.480
i think you saw that in dallas i just think it's great that it's back in the nation's capital because
00:23:11.060
we need to be here as much as people don't like being around here i can tell you but you got to be
00:23:15.840
here because this is where the fight is matt uh how do they get to you on how do they get to you on
00:23:19.500
social media at m slap uh uh on all the platforms as i told you i'm increasingly liking truth uh that's
00:23:27.820
a good place to be i enjoyed following all the comments on that crazy speech last night i said it
00:23:33.520
was like watching grumpy old men and fast forward it was like i couldn't understand what he was saying
00:23:37.740
but whatever he was saying he was saying it real fast and but and not just that every now and again
00:23:44.360
it was like he he would just like blurt out get off my lawn i mean he would start shouting
00:23:49.320
at the most the bizarre times it was the adder i think they jacked he obviously jacked him up
00:23:54.920
to get through it last night but he was a get off get off my lawn okay match lab thanks look forward
00:24:00.340
to see you cpac march 1st through 4th in the nation's capital okay do i have do i have the ben
00:24:07.000
harnwell let me bring in ben harnwell i got pasoba coming up and beady coming up breaking news out of
00:24:12.720
seymour hirsch the investigative reporter and mudslinger i guess you would call him um the um
00:24:20.220
ben uh zelinski shows up in london today what what make this make sense to me what's going on he's
00:24:27.260
clearly begging for uh materiel uh because he doesn't feel he's getting enough um and he's you
00:24:34.300
know he he was telling about two weeks ago they were going to pivot and go to liberate crimea and
00:24:40.160
now and if you've seen the reporting over the last 24 48 hours the poor folks in bakhmut are
00:24:45.340
just taking it from the russian i think russia's hitting it the russian army's hitting from 12
00:24:49.160
different attack points and just constant shelling non-stop uh give us an update on why is he in
00:24:56.200
london why is he in the city why is he in parliament um well i suppose there's the official reason steve and
00:25:03.500
then there's the um there's the question mark reason the official reason is because uh popular
00:25:09.280
support not at the governmental level that at the level of the people is starting to peter out
00:25:16.180
impatience we're almost coming up to the the one year anniversary of this war um and he therefore
00:25:24.260
um as part of his visit uh to europe going to brussels tomorrow he needs to show up political support
00:25:30.880
um so that the the cash and the armaments continue flowing that said explicit to this request is
00:25:39.260
what he mentioned when he addressed the the joint houses of parliament was that he wanted fighter
00:25:44.940
planes now interestingly the bbc whose analysis is always 100 junkable but whose um whose knowledge of
00:25:54.660
the facts is normally pretty hot they had a journalist i don't know if we're going to be able to play it
00:25:59.620
whilst um whilst i'm here but they had a journalist talking um from outside number 10 downing street
00:26:06.900
uh on a split screen whilst zelensky and his crew were on their raf plane still at the airport at
00:26:14.200
stansted and she said um this journalist she was talking that he that um that rishi sunak has ruled out
00:26:22.180
supplying um fighter planes to kiev now that was that was the big thing that zelensky wants
00:26:29.220
the the u.s has already said no for now so it would appear that that the uk is lining up behind
00:26:34.820
the u.s position here but you know if zelensky was sitting on his plane he he should have just been
00:26:41.420
listening to the bbc realized that the whole thing was pure theater got back on his plane and flown off
00:26:47.620
because you have the joint session i mean it's a very prestigious thing i mean um it's like an uber
00:26:53.580
a state visit thing you know state visits don't always get the joint sessions of parliament he's
00:26:59.740
going to go and uh get his audience with king charles iii so these are very prestigious parts of the
00:27:05.680
visit but it's theater because what what ukraine really needs right now if it is to have a hope
00:27:11.540
of turning the war around are um heavy artillery heavy artillery and fighter planes um and these are
00:27:19.400
the things that seem to be drying up but in in the they also need um it's betwixt and between
00:27:29.320
they won't give them the armaments they feel that that could change and reverse these battlefield
00:27:34.620
losses and that's still to be determined because you know the russia is supposed to be on the edge
00:27:39.720
of defeat and now they've got uh a 500 000 man according to the defense minister who we don't know is in or
00:27:46.980
out in any day because of the zero tolerance on corruption they're now claiming he's one of the
00:27:52.400
worst corrupt guys and with with all the logistics he paid for they paid for it like five times x i'll
00:27:58.280
tell you what a short break got harnwell in rome darren beady's on this jack basobic big breaking news
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00:28:11.140
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bannon okay welcome back uh you just heard about cpac poso is going to be there uh we're going to be
00:29:54.440
there make sure you go to um cpac.org slash worm get your discount 47 discount today we're going to do
00:30:02.860
the live show there we want everybody to participate plus a lot of breakout sessions get to know you
00:30:06.680
camaraderie joint sharing of knowledge all of it and teamwork and then fire off the football when it's
00:30:12.740
over march 1st through 4th president trump's going to give the wrap-up speech on the 30th afternoon you
00:30:17.220
want to be there um jack basobic of blockbuster news i got harnwell and darren to change their
00:30:25.340
schedules and also join us walk us through what was released today by seymour hirsch who's kind of a
00:30:29.980
muckraker investigative reporter but he's got no love lost for the uh for the for the right or for
00:30:36.380
the maga movement but he also has no love lost for the uh military industrial complex give us uh your
00:30:42.100
assessment of what he released today kind of a bombshell about the ukraine war well steve it's it's
00:30:47.320
interesting because you know there there's there's the story and then there's the story of the story
00:30:52.300
so there's the story that seymour hirsch has released which essentially in a nutshell is this uh he is
00:30:59.260
claiming based on his sources and his reporting that the united states bombed the nordstream pipelines
00:31:06.500
and that this was done in a covert operation with navy deep sea divers uh particularly divers that are
00:31:14.640
out of panama city from david diving and salvage center not necessarily through socom or jsoc or any of the
00:31:21.300
various uh seal teams that it was done through navy divers and that it specifically references the old
00:31:29.200
story of operation ivy bells that if you understand anything about the navy if you want to go read
00:31:35.320
a i remember when i joined navy intelligence they said something to me that the very first week they
00:31:39.480
said we can't encourage you to read blind man's bluff by sherry sontag they said no matter what you do
00:31:47.040
do not read the book blind man's bluff by sherry sontag do not go to the store this afternoon
00:31:53.720
and pick up a copy of blind man's bluff because one of the main uh stories in it not the only one
00:31:59.060
but the one main operations that they detail in this book which came out at the end of the 90s which
00:32:04.800
goes back to a cold war operation called ivy bells was all about navy deep sea divers and navy
00:32:10.580
submarines going all the way and by the way that one wasn't even in international waters this is back in
00:32:15.400
the 70s during the cold war this was wiretapping the undersea communications the upstream collection
00:32:21.820
that the united states was conducting of the soviet union of the soviet military during the cold war
00:32:27.320
in soviet waters by the way in uh in russian waters right off the kamchatka peninsula and so they
00:32:34.720
seymour hirsch makes a reference to that that says look this is a very similar operation to something
00:32:40.160
that was done back in the cold war any any navy intel officer worth their salt knows about operation
00:32:45.000
ivy bells and in that one steve just as as many other operations go and anyone who's worked in
00:32:49.540
that world understands even the own crew of the ship the crew of the submarine was given a cover
00:32:54.880
story as to why they were out there as to what operations they were conducting and you would
00:32:59.020
compartmentalize all the way down to only specific divers knowing actually what the mission of the
00:33:06.220
submarine was at the time now of course ivy bells this was a it was a multi-mission sequence and
00:33:11.700
there's a huge accident scene where one of the one of the subs is almost caught they have to race out of
00:33:16.160
there in this case what seymour hirsch is stating is that ukraine at the end of the day that ukraine
00:33:22.580
russia germany everything that we're seeing right now wasn't necessarily about freedom and democracy
00:33:28.440
that it was about the united states ensuring the petrodollar's dominance over europe and that's what
00:33:33.780
it's been from the start he references of course victorian newland who made the comment
00:33:37.460
that if this kicks off nordstrom 2 will end one way or the other president biden of course we have
00:33:44.080
him saying that he would shut down nordstrom 2 if putin and russia continue their invasion of ukraine
00:33:51.540
we have him of course at his word saying that and what hirsch is saying here and the comment i made
00:33:57.280
earlier about the story behind the story is the timing on this is very interesting because i've heard
00:34:03.400
people say that this is a you know this is designed to hurt biden but i've also said heard people say
00:34:07.880
well you know this could have actually been leaked by the administration themselves on the heels of the
00:34:13.200
state of the union to where they can say of course officially they'll deny it they'll deny uh that cia
00:34:18.200
langley had any uh you know any involvement in this whatsoever but maybe they want it out there
00:34:23.200
because they think it makes the president look strong in the face of him completely failing to stand up
00:34:28.540
to the chinese spy uh platform that flew across the continental united states this also time we get
00:34:35.180
bd and hunderwill in here because obviously zelinski's in london today talked to parliament about the about
00:34:41.380
the jets but this also ties together um a supporting thing of this is bennett the former prime minister of
00:34:49.200
israel talking about talking to putin and and when the first days of the war they were first before the
00:34:55.120
war they wanted to have a negotiated deal and zelinski was on board and putin was on board but
00:34:59.340
the u.s was not on board that would play into this thing about nordstrom too and wanting to make sure
00:35:04.520
that uh that germany and the rest of europe didn't didn't even double down or become more intertwined
00:35:10.560
with the natural gas resources of russia but really dependent upon american lng would that that would fit
00:35:16.960
into this narrative would you agree jack well it would certainly fit into the time frame because
00:35:21.860
what we're told uh going through seymour hirsch's article and i i strongly encourage everyone to
00:35:26.540
read it um you know just like anything else you you have to ask questions about anything you read
00:35:32.000
but as you go through it when they're looking at these ball at the exercise that was given as cover
00:35:37.840
it was called vault ops 22 so that takes place in june the explosion the nordstrom explosion doesn't take
00:35:43.720
place until later in september now if you combine that with what naftali bennett is saying and by the way
00:35:48.700
the germans the norwegians the swedes everyone's come out and said they can't find evidence that
00:35:53.860
russia was behind this thing which if you remember that's what darren and i were saying from the very
00:35:57.800
start because this was as president trump told us russia's leverage over europe this was also an
00:36:03.740
economic deal between the eu and particularly germany and russia which was mutually beneficial for them
00:36:10.360
at the detriment of the united states so with the explosion of nordstrom too you have to ask of
00:36:16.680
course qui bono qui malo who benefits and who suffers so who benefits obviously it's the americans
00:36:22.520
who suffers it's the germans it's everyone that is now at the economic detriment of losing out on that
00:36:28.100
gas and for the people saying that somehow russia benefits from blowing up their own pipeline it just
00:36:33.320
never really made any sense the the it never quite passed the smell test of why they would want to lose
00:36:38.480
a project that they had invested billions and billions of dollars of political and economic capital
00:36:43.900
jack hangar for one second i got to get back to the balloon in the in the non-briefing of the gang
00:36:50.700
eight which right now looks stunning uh darren let me bring you in and then ben darren your assessment
00:36:55.460
and by the way everything in this this is like uh homage to catalonia is such an important book to read
00:37:01.500
um orwell's book because the the whole war is misinformation on both sides right you can't trust
00:37:08.540
anything the russians put out you can't less trust anything the ukrainians or the nato puts out
00:37:13.080
uh but given that uh darren beady you've been all over this topic give us your assessment first
00:37:19.020
assessment of the seymour hirsch of what it means well i loved everything that jack said that was an
00:37:24.340
excellent um excellent report and analysis of the intricacies of it and of course i remember
00:37:31.280
not too long ago jack and i were on here with some kind of stooge representative of the national
00:37:40.220
security state who didn't do a very good job like you know at least you would think these representatives
00:37:45.520
of the intelligence community their job is to be good liars we didn't even have that so it was very
00:37:51.220
clear what the situation was from the beginning the argument never really made sense that it was
00:37:57.500
you know the russians who blew up their own pipeline but what's i think what remains interesting about
00:38:03.580
this is that you know yes it was bad for russian but it was really bad for germany as well and if you
00:38:11.020
read certain parts of the her story it's okay the germans had this new prime minister and he originally
00:38:18.060
paid lip service to this notion that macron was promoting this strategic autonomy that europe was going to
00:38:26.160
gain more independence from us control and that whole conception was entirely shut down and i think it
00:38:35.560
re-invites us to look at this sort of russia ukraine conflict from the lens of really the united states
00:38:43.200
reasserting complete and total dominance over the affairs of europe and in particular of germany because
00:38:50.280
this was very vital thing for the german economy particularly nordstrom too and we just blow it
00:38:56.700
up and it's an open secret within europe that's their way of telegraphing that it's the united states
00:39:02.940
for these european countries to say well there's no evidence it was russia that's their way of saying
00:39:08.040
it's the united states but at the same time they're not you know they're not going to do anything about it
00:39:13.220
and that tells you everything you need to know and so in a geopolitical sense this really kind of
00:39:20.080
reinforces the dominance and hegemony of the united states and in a twisted way even though it was highly
00:39:27.640
risky and and for a number of reasons it shows us that there are still bastions of competence some
00:39:37.100
pockets of competence within the united states i'm somewhat you know impressed that they were able to
00:39:43.080
pull this off even though you know they linked it they leaked it to some you know aging reporters still
00:39:48.920
it's a rare example of competence so the united states again in keeping with earlier discussion of
00:39:56.300
the indefinite um power of the u.s dollar despite how clownish and ridiculous and in many cases evil
00:40:05.340
our regime is it has a um counterintuitive robustness that asserts itself in by the way
00:40:15.320
jack and jack and i can vouch for the competence of navy divers right but what and i'm very much for
00:40:22.220
the dollar being the prime reserve currency at least for the foreseeable future would be chaos in this
00:40:26.520
country but i would like to do it by cutting our budget and and shutting down the federal reserve
00:40:31.400
and getting our control over this debt instead of blowing up a uh a natural gas pipeline uh coming
00:40:38.060
into germany so we can sell natural gas at lng and drive prices up here for folks in the united states but
00:40:43.040
hang on steve what's the view from uh it's not cherché la femme it's cherché
00:40:46.740
cherché la petrol cherché la petrol
00:40:49.460
ben harnwell he's in zielinski's in london today with the tin cup looking for fighter jets how does
00:40:58.040
give me your assessment is this is this story more important than zielinski being in london sir
00:41:03.700
yeah it's a lot more important and looking at the timing um from this article it's jack sullivan
00:41:11.340
um jake sullivan is there months before the russians invaded ukraine heading strategy meetings on
00:41:19.400
how they're going to take out uh these pipelines so you know looking back with with the benefit of
00:41:26.420
hindsight you can now start thinking look you remember that that that john mishheimer thesis
00:41:30.980
that he was pushing back in 2014 and and you were talking about this right in the early days of the
00:41:36.860
war where mishheimer said you know what the u.s is doing here what nato is doing here pushing its
00:41:42.940
boundaries up uh to ukraine is walking ukraine down the primrose path to uh to to being invaded by
00:41:51.620
russia and i was sort of saying to myself okay i get i get that i get that but why would nato do this
00:41:58.140
and i sort of landed on the conclusion that okay this is nato seeking a post-war a post-cold war role
00:42:06.200
now it needs a war it needs russia to do something to continue to justify its existence and that's
00:42:11.140
certainly been a consequence of the russian invasion but looking at the dates here looking
00:42:16.260
at the the meersheimer thesis i'm starting to ask myself whether the whole ukraine war
00:42:22.740
encouraged along by nato was simply a pretext for the u.s military industrial context to go in and
00:42:30.820
take out these pipelines jack uh by the way hang on we're taking a short break but so but to that
00:42:38.880
point the new york times have got this incredibly brutal reporting from bakmut they're telling the
00:42:43.840
russian army the rejuvenated russian army is hitting on 12 different attack points and they have a
00:42:48.160
little girl there that's like seven years old one of the last families there
00:42:51.480
is it is are the america as as um bd calls it the american imperial elite are they cold-hearted enough
00:42:59.100
to have started a war that this little girl is going to get shelled like the rest of her city
00:43:03.540
just so they can control uh gas uh assets going into europe and therefore prop up the petrodollar
00:43:10.780
in the foreseeable future sir steve i'll just say it's it's amazing the trouble that the regime can
00:43:17.300
cause when the petrodollar is on the line and we've seen it before we're seeing it again
00:43:23.260
short commercial break darren beady the founder of revolver jack pasovic from human events daily
00:43:30.240
and our international editor and head of the rome bureau with war room rome ben harnwell all next
00:43:36.840
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jack posobik um how did they get around a presidential finding on the seymour her on the
00:45:59.000
blowing up or at least he alleges the blowing up by navy divers of north stream team and don't you find
00:46:04.200
it odd as an intelligence officer there's no not as far as we can tell they have not briefed the gang
00:46:09.400
of eight on this uh on the uh on the airship on the ccp spy airship sir well steve once again what
00:46:16.860
they're doing is instead of making smart geopolitical decisions for the direction of our
00:46:21.740
country and trying to work with partners instead they're watching episodes of the west wing and
00:46:27.480
trying to larp their way through the presidency and so you saw this ridiculous speech last night which
00:46:33.820
was basically just ripped off of everything that donald trump said in 2016 on the campaign trail
00:46:38.980
and they called him a a racist and a misogynist and a nazi and his and a xenophobe for and here comes
00:46:44.920
biden repeating the exact same phrases without of course the rhetorical flourishes of the forgotten
00:46:50.140
man and america first but i almost thought he was going to end by saying make america great again
00:46:54.980
uh the reason that they didn't have to brief the gang of eight on this is because they kept it outside
00:47:00.320
of the channels that they would have needed to so had this gone through so come had this gone through
00:47:04.400
jsoc then they would have had to brief the gang of eight but because they kept it navy only it would
00:47:10.440
they actually you know this is exactly what you would see on like season five or season six of
00:47:15.560
the west wing which i never watched before but if you want to understand the biden administration's
00:47:20.380
playbook just go watch that show you can watch it on 1.5x like i do and you will absolutely be able
00:47:26.060
to predict everything they do because they're ripping it from bad aaron sorkin tv scripts where
00:47:31.280
they're going in and saying ah we found a special loophole so we won't have to brief congress and then
00:47:36.320
we'll leak it to see more hirsch and that's going to make us look good and make us look strong in the
00:47:41.100
face of the russians in the face of the chinese balloon and so what they're doing steve is they've
00:47:47.600
been completely divorced from the reality of the american people which is why by the way republicans
00:47:53.560
won the house and why the gang of eight is constituted the way that it is and i hope for sure certain
00:47:58.960
that speaker of house kevin mccarthy as well as this new appointment of matt gates to the weaponization
00:48:05.900
of the federal government committee will actually be able to bring them to some sort of accountability
00:48:11.720
to find out what are they actually doing because these decisions steve they don't just affect the
00:48:17.220
country they don't just affect the people of ukraine they don't just affect the people of germany they
00:48:21.860
affect every single one of us in our families as well jack how do people get to you all of your
00:48:27.760
content and particularly human events daily yeah human events daily of course it's up we've got the
00:48:32.360
sunday show uh today's entire show is going to be at nordstrom no question okay brother that's uh
00:48:38.700
10 o'clock when people can get it here in real america that's right 10 p.m on real maker's voice
00:48:42.640
okay thank you brother and you get him up on autotor he's non-stop uh darren we're going to get you
00:48:49.740
back you got two blockbuster stories on on revolver uh one about these christian commercials and hobby
00:48:56.040
lobby looks like he's in back of them and the meaning and purpose of them because it's big money and
00:49:00.140
they're well they're great they're very dramatic spots and they're on national football league
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games so somebody's putting up big dollars you've also got this thing about hillary clinton
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10-year jail sentence but i want to spend time and do that later your closing thoughts on the seymour
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hirsch and the whole ukraine situation and zelinski in london sir yeah well first just to add to the
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technicalities of it there's a part of the hirsch's commentary in which he suggests that the
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public um allusions to the possibility of taking down nordstrom by both biden and victoria newland
00:49:35.060
who's been a favorite of ours in our discussions actually cross a threshold which which also allowed
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them to conduct uh the operation without um uh the usual sort of uh oversight so it's it's it's
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it's interesting how it all fell into place but i think and one other thing is um even though this
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was planned before the invasion i think it's fair to say that the invasion itself created a larger sort
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of political media environment in which the u.s was able to get away with it much more easily
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and so that kind of forces us to say well in putin's strategic calculus was whatever he gained from
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this invasion of ukraine worth losing the nordstrom pipelines it's hard to say that the answer is yes
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uh at the moment so i think it also kind of reinforces the degree to which putin's decision
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was a profound strategic miscalculation uh from the point of view of russia's interests as well
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perfect how do people get to you in revolver have you back on about these other big stories how do they
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get to you at darren jbd on twitter revolver dot news we have two in particular really important
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white hot pieces that i'll come on discuss very soon one is the most important first amendment case
00:51:02.680
you've never heard of biden's trying to throw a guy in jail for 10 years for mocking hillary on twitter
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and the second is the desantis takeover in florida education system how that's a blueprint
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for republican governors everywhere so i look very much look forward discussing those in detail
00:51:20.120
perfect thank you sir uh by the way we're going to be live streaming so go to war rooms uh getter page
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and my getter page we're going to be live streaming these hearings this afternoon charlie kirk follows us
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for commentary analysis we're going to be live streaming uh the whole team will be on there
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these hearings are important enough uh grace chung and captain ben will be running them i'll be on
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life ben harnwell uh you're head of uh by the way just in closing we're gonna get you back on a more
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about london but why is alinsky not going to rome give me 30 seconds of that why is he not stopping
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by to see georgia maloney i don't know it's an interesting question steve we discussed it before
00:52:19.300
coming on air it's a bit of a slap in the face i think given her her loyal support um against the
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of the majority of her own membership and her party in supporting ukraine can i just finish
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however on on the on the nordstrom pipeline i uh we got no we got 30 seconds we'll have we'll have
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you back on i hope you got to stay up late we'll be back on this afternoon okay we'll be we're up live
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