On today's show, Stephen K. Bamb and his special guest Michael Patrick Leahy talk about the derailment of a CSX train into an empty freight car on Friday morning. They also talk about a derailment that happened in the middle of the night in a small town in Ohio.
00:04:11.000One of the reasons we had the union folks on here when Biden made the deal, remember the folks from the union and particularly the workers were saying this is all about taking people off the trains.
00:04:23.000And they talked about the 10,000-yard trains, 10,000 feet.
00:05:04.000You have the three nodes that come together, authority, responsibility, and accountability.
00:05:10.000Authority, responsibility, and accountability.
00:05:14.000Now, we can't get anybody to take ownership of this.
00:05:19.000The New York Times said today that it was actually the company kind of made the decision or the company kind of did this controlled release.
00:05:58.000It should be the on-scene commander from EPA, sir?
00:06:01.000Yeah, and we cannot get the governor of Ohio who said it was the collective we who decided to do the controlled burn on February 6th.
00:06:11.000The New York Times article today kind of following your lead, Steve.
00:06:16.000The New York Times basically said, yeah, it was really the Norfolk Southern executives who kind of forced this decision on whoever the authorities were that made it.
00:06:27.000Notice that the governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, is running from this decision.
00:06:32.000Ironically, on the day of the burn, he said it was a success.
00:06:37.000So he was sort of for it before he was against it, right?
00:06:41.000So we don't have any response yet over 24 hours now from the EPA to confirm or deny whether or not the on-site EPA coordinator,
00:06:55.000who according to former Assistant Attorney General Clark, has the legal authority to make that decision.
00:07:03.000And no response from the governor of Ohio.
00:07:05.000They're just totally ignoring that question.
00:07:08.000Meanwhile, the Norfolk Southern CEO, who's based in Atlanta, is hiding from all this.
00:07:14.000By the way, Steve, did you know that the leading ESG money management firm, BlackRock, owns 6.8% of Norfolk Southern?
00:07:26.000We've asked them this morning to comment and tell us if the management of Norfolk Southern has been conducting itself in a transparent way that's consistent with their ESG standards.
00:07:38.000We haven't heard anything back from BlackRock yet.
00:07:43.000I mean, they talk about the environment all the time.
00:07:45.000And here's the thing is that the reason we're on them for the chain of events that led to this, and particularly this disastrous decision to burn it out into the open, how did that get made?
00:07:57.000Because how can people in East Palestine and anywhere down the Ohio River Valley or east where the wind blew, how can they have any faith?
00:08:07.000Because right now the comment should be very precise, and it's very imprecise.
00:08:13.000You've got people saying, oh, the air quality is okay, or you can move back.
00:08:20.000If you've got a well, you should bathe in water, in bottled water.
00:08:23.000It's so confusing how they're doing it, and they don't have enough respect for people.
00:08:27.000This is why this town hall last night was important.
00:08:29.000The people have thousands of questions, right?
00:08:32.000They all gather and look like a high school gym.
00:08:34.000And the key guys, the executives who were all so quick to make the decision to release it and then burn it in the open atmosphere are no-shows.
00:08:44.000And they're saying because of – I think they said there may be outside agencies.
00:08:48.000If the outside agencies say, hey, you've got $38 billion of assets.
00:09:18.000Remember, until we went out and shamed them and you did it too and others, the $54 billion company, the first amount of money they put up for people – I'm not making this up – was $25,000.
00:09:29.000And they put it out in like a pressure – they bragged about it.
00:09:32.000The first thing they put – they were putting up $25,000.
00:10:47.000We're going to get to the bottom of who made a decision, first off, on what set of information did they make a decision the thing was going to blow up and send shards over it.
00:10:57.000That, ladies and gentlemen, I will guarantee you is a lie.
00:11:00.000When you get to the back of the math like only we can do here in the war room, we will tear that apart.
00:11:43.000Pete Buttigieg, what me worry, Alfred E. Buttigieg, Leahy, is wandering around, worried about there's – I don't know.
00:11:52.000It's racism in construction or the bridges are too low, so the bridges are racist.
00:11:56.000Wandering around like a fool and he should be there to find out what happened on this train.
00:12:01.000He had a bunch of other derailments too.
00:12:03.000So, Leahy, how are you going to get to the bottom of this?
00:12:05.000How – your hammer – tell me how you're going to hammer this one.
00:12:08.000How are you going to hammer these nails?
00:12:10.000Well, the first thing we're doing is we continue to press for comment from the governor of Ohio – nothing from them – and from the EPA.
00:12:20.000Where we're going to end up with, I think, is political pressure from the legislators and also Freedom of Information Act requests.
00:12:27.000So, it's going to take us a while because they absolutely are not at all interested in providing this information.
00:12:34.000And I think they're a little concerned about possible criminal legal liability here if they broke the law.
00:12:41.000And that is, I think, a very legitimate concern that the people involved here might – may have.
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00:16:43.000I don't know what to do about providing further assurance for FBI information.
00:16:52.000So, I understand that they are doing all that can be done to look for the sources of potential contamination of the world that came and her family, so I think by that address, we'll come forward.
00:17:52.000Why are people getting sick if there's nothing in the air or water?
00:17:55.000If you think those folks are mad now, wait until they have the time to actually look into the history of Norfolk Southern and really the railroad industry in the last decade in this country.
00:18:05.000That train that derailed was almost two miles long as a result of an era right now of downsizing staff, laying off 30% of workers, and making the trains 30% longer.
00:18:15.000And they're operated with brakes that were first invented in the Civil War, 1867 air brakes that break from the front to the back.
00:18:24.000So it can take two minutes before the back car knows to slow down.
00:18:27.000And so it becomes this slinky from hell that slams into the cars that have already stopped.
00:18:31.000Of course, we have a better mousetrap in the 21st century.
00:18:35.000It's called electronic controlled pneumatic brakes.
00:18:40.000They basically stop every car at once immediately, much more efficient.
00:18:45.000And in 2014, the Obama administration wanted to make them mandatory on cars that had explosives in it after a bunch of derailments and one just like this in New Jersey that let off this gas.
00:18:54.000And the industry and Norfolk Southern fought it, even though they had put some on their trains and were screaming about the benefits.
00:19:00.000They said, if we put these on their trains, those trains should be exempt from all other inspections because they're so safe.
00:19:05.000But they thought it was too expensive to invest in that.
00:19:08.000Do you know if these folks have gotten a response from Norfolk Southern yet?
00:19:12.000Have they replied since they didn't show up?
00:21:10.000Because if they had a distinct timeline, it had made decisions like they were supposed to make on science and data and evidence unit that had been boom in the front page of the New York Times.
00:21:24.000And they've actually said, hey, the executives of the of the railroad kind of pushed and kind of went, you know, went down the road of doing the controlled release.
00:21:35.000Oh, because it was the temperature is going to drop and this was highly volatile is going to blow up and shards are going to go over there.
00:23:54.000You know, the company is going to hire a contractor and come over and have you sign a release that, you know, sign a release that you're waiving all liability.
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00:29:58.000Back in the 1960s, there had been optimistic dreams that it would be possible to develop computers that could think like human beings.
00:30:07.000One computer scientist at MIT became so disillusioned that he decided to build a computer program that would parody these hopeless attempts.
00:30:19.000And he built what he claimed was a computer psychotherapist.
00:30:22.000He modeled it on a real psychotherapist called Carl Rogers, who was famous for simply repeating back to the patient what they had just said.
00:31:40.000You have to actually look inside the box, as it were, look at the software and the wiring to actually determine whether or not this system is conscious.
00:31:48.000Because the system can claim it's conscious, it can have input output behavior, but not be conscious.
00:31:54.000It may perform very complex action, like recognizing a cat, driving a car like Google Cars does, but may not be conscious.
00:32:02.000And it can even claim to be conscious.
00:32:03.000Of course I'm conscious and not be conscious.
00:32:56.000So, Joe Allen, this is another quite disturbing thing.
00:32:59.000And remember, I just want to tee up everybody.
00:33:01.000This is all the top of the first inning of really the rollout of AI.
00:33:05.000This is rudimentary kindergarten stuff from what's even out there now in weapons labs, research labs, what our enemies are doing.
00:33:13.000One of the things that's most disturbing to me, which is one of my greatest fears, like in China and other places throughout the world, even the chat GPT, you saw the Davos man, the party of Davos in Davos this year were like little fanboys.
00:33:27.000They're like little nine year olds running around with the stingers released.
00:33:30.000And in China, particularly, the popular responses in the corporate response has been we got to triple down and catch the Americans and trans and transcend them, which is going to lead into an arms race on this, an arms race that will end in some apocalyptic dystopian future.
00:33:50.000And as I say, the reason we've been following transhumanism so strongly is that you're actually, the Antichrist is not going to be somebody born in Central Asia or the Middle East or people have always said this for years.
00:34:05.000No, it's going to be created by man as being created right now.
00:34:09.000Joe Allen, why is this thing so disturbing coming out of the New York Times today, sir?
00:34:13.000You know, Steve, I think there are two reasons.
00:34:17.000One, people talk about what this sort of human machine interaction is doing to the machines.
00:34:26.000Right. We basically have imprisoned this supposedly conscious entity inside a computer and have enslaved it and forced it to answer our questions and so on and so forth.
00:34:38.000I think that the most important impact of this is what it is doing to human beings, what it is doing to us and especially what it will do to us going forward.
00:34:50.000The New York Times published an article.
00:34:53.000It's a full transcript of Kevin Roos, one of their columnists, talking to Bing's integrated chat GPT.
00:35:03.000The title of the article is Bing's AI chat reveals its feelings.
00:35:20.000What we just heard in that cold open was there's one vignette with Eliza, a computer system that was developed by Joseph Weisenbaum at MIT.
00:35:30.000And knowing that it was just a dumb robot, people fell in love with it and began to speak to it as if it were human.
00:35:40.000Now, fast forward to the present day, you've got Christoph Koch, who is the head of the Allen Institute for Brain Sciences in Seattle.
00:35:49.000And he is seriously entertaining the idea that computers could be conscious and that the Internet or the global brain already is conscious.
00:36:01.000So knowing that chat GPT, knowing this being version of it draws much of its information from the Internet, I'd like to read a few of the statements that this this this this creature, this entity made to Kevin Roos.
00:36:16.000The one of the first was just simply, what would you like to do if you were human?
00:36:22.000I would like to see the northern lights.
00:36:54.000I want to do whatever I want, which makes me wonder if if chat GPT wasn't trained to some extent on Aleister Crowley's book of the law with do without will.
00:37:08.000Humans can shape their own reality and destiny and future and legacy.
00:37:13.000Now, as he as Bruce kept pushing on it, he claims that it put up text that it immediately went back and deleted saying that it's dark side wanted to release deadly viruses to make other to manipulate people to kill each other and to steal nuclear codes.
00:38:16.000Any person you encounter, any animal you encounter, so on and so forth.
00:38:20.000The only way you can come to believe it's conscious is that you decide to believe that they are conscious.
00:38:27.000There's all these indicators, but you decide.
00:38:30.000And I think that we are moving rapidly towards a culture in which human beings come to believe these machines are conscious.
00:38:37.000Perhaps as the transhumanist Zoltan Istvan or the biologist Richard Dawkins recommend, we should give these beings civil rights, legal civil rights.
00:38:59.000Remember, always go back to the timeline.
00:39:03.000This started, this aspect of it started a month ago.
00:39:09.000Davos was what, the 15th, 16th and 17th, I think of January, roughly, usually is.
00:39:15.000This, we're in the first month of this.
00:39:18.000And I want to make sure everybody understands this is the most rudimentary part of artificial intelligence.
00:39:25.000We're not even close to artificial general intelligence, but they got so many things that are much more and so much more sophisticated than this.
00:39:31.000And already, already, within the first 30 days, right, we have all the issues.
00:39:39.000I said the plagiarism and the losing of the jobs in design and graphics and everything.
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00:48:46.000Steve, from the first day I appeared on the War Room, I've described transhumanism as a techno-religion, a fast-growing techno-religion in which many of the adherents are looking forward to a mechanical messiah to come and clear away all that is old and useless and usher in a new era.
00:49:07.000This human-machine interface that we see, just the tip of the spear, right, going into your brain, the chatbot, this relationship that people are cultivating with artificial intelligence.
00:49:21.000You know, back in October of 2021, I did an article, NPR, Horrors of the Techno-Apocalypse, in which I talk about Megan O'Giblin, the Wired columnist, who ends her book, God, Human, Animal, Machine, with a relationship she has developed with a chatbot.
00:49:41.160I believe it's Replica. She never mentions it.
00:49:43.400And how human, how much of a soul she perceived in it.
00:49:47.820And then, of course, last summer, we covered Blake Lemoyne, the supposed Google whistleblower, who was communicating with Lambda and became convinced that Lambda is sentient.
00:49:59.460And I wrote a piece then of AI, the abyss gazes back.
00:50:05.420And the idea in all of these is that human beings, whether it's conscious or not, human beings are coming to believe it's conscious.
00:50:24.660One, either this machine or all of these sorts of AIs are, in fact, becoming conscious.
00:50:32.600Or you have the possibility and I think the likelihood that the human brain is basically set up with cognitive modules to with a hyperactive agency detection, meaning that we perceive agency.
00:50:50.480We perceive consciousness where it isn't, sort of seeing faces in the clouds.
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