Bannon's War Room - Episode 2539： Buttigeg Finally On The Ground In Ohio

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:10.500 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:17.100 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:20.860 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.440 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.260 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:40.200 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.420 we're bringing thousands of bottle of water trump water actually most of it uh some of it we had

00:00:59.460 to go to a much lesser quality water you want to get those trump bottles i think more than anybody

00:01:05.680 else but we're bringing a lot of water thousands of bottles and we have it in trucks and we brought

00:01:09.460 some on my plane today but to that end i'm pleased to announce that we've helped coordinate the

00:01:15.240 delivery of the water and bottled water as uh well as the tractor trail is full of it we have big

00:01:21.360 tractor trailers full of water i think you're going to have plenty of water for a long time maybe

00:01:25.620 the guy's just so gross he really is i mean you're talking about trump water branded trump water

00:01:31.960 uh and and by the way he's such a hypocrite too talking about attacking joe biden while joe biden is

00:01:38.480 going you know risking his life fighting for western democracy something he doesn't give a damn about

00:01:44.560 something you know when you have a guy that talks about suspending the constitution uh uh uh it's

00:01:51.460 just absolutely so that was and by the way where was that guy when there were were disasters when

00:01:57.560 there were trained disasters when he was president of the united states exactly i never saw him out

00:02:02.000 i never saw him out where was he why why did he decide to go here well he did go through paper

00:02:07.260 towels at people at one point former president donald trump bringing trump water with him on a visit to

00:02:14.500 east palestine ohio yesterday that's where the norfolk southern train derailed and spilled toxic

00:02:20.960 chemicals trump spent his time criticizing president biden's handling of the crisis and said he had a

00:02:27.300 stronger working relationship with fema when he was in power trump also claimed without evidence

00:02:33.360 that the biden administration only directed more resources to east palestine because trump announced

00:02:39.920 that he's just a lie visiting the area fema said uh specifically this doesn't meet the criteria

00:02:48.240 and uh that's horrible and somebody has to do something for those people i said back

00:02:55.000 when i announced that i was coming they changed their tune it was an amazing phenomena

00:03:00.380 transportation secretary pete buddha judge is set to visit east palestine today this is his first trip

00:03:08.780 to the area since the derailment happened and you would understand the inner workings of this better

00:03:13.520 than anyone on the panel that the president may make a visit but in a case like this to east palestine

00:03:19.200 he would send a cabinet official first and perhaps buddha judge should have been there sooner but

00:03:23.740 the president may well go there to ohio as well yeah that's right willie i mean typically there's an

00:03:29.600 order of events as you said here and it may have been that it was too early for him to go before the trip

00:03:34.520 and there was a sequencing where certain cabinet officials should go first there's no question

00:03:39.040 there would have been a little bit easier for them optically if uh secretary buddha judge had gone a

00:03:44.100 little bit earlier i believe the epa administrator has been there and of course fema but what's also

00:03:49.180 true and you know in moments like this is a little bit of a case study as i was watching this all

00:03:53.140 happen yesterday of what the white house is going to do and how they're going to handle it when trump

00:03:58.080 attacks biden because they they don't want to elevate trump right they don't even know for sure

00:04:03.440 he'll be the nominee even though i bet at this point he will be but what they did yesterday was

00:04:08.260 kind of interesting because they didn't just ignore it they punched back substantively which

00:04:13.900 that may not make a difference in the ohio coverage of trump's visit but they basically made

00:04:19.120 the case that the trump administration they pushed for deregulation that made it so that faster breaks

00:04:25.160 were not in place and the republicans in the house were supported defunding cleanup so it is a

00:04:32.340 substantive argument which is sometimes harder to break through but it was interesting to see that

00:04:37.000 they didn't just sit back and let it happen they punched back and we'll see how that kind of plays

00:04:41.420 out as trump does this more in the months ahead obviously willie there's a lot of work to do in east

00:04:46.820 palestine and i think trump's gesturing with his branding and his water aside uh the transportation

00:04:53.100 secretary pete buddha judge did make it clear that he should have gone there sooner and let's just put

00:04:57.900 put a pin on that he should have gone there sooner and the white house should have done a better job

00:05:04.000 even though they were in a major transatlantic moment dealing with the future of the safety of

00:05:10.980 the world the people of east palestine uh need to feel seen and heard and i think that pete buddha

00:05:18.860 is taking it on board that he needs to go there and do that um these are people who right now are

00:05:25.320 very uncertain about their health and the future of their town and um it is definitely a little bit

00:05:31.360 of a bump for the white house to not make sure they shined a big light on what was happening there

00:05:37.160 and hopefully in the weeks days and weeks to come they'll be able to do that because it's frightening

00:05:42.600 for those people to see dead fish in the rivers and to not be able to run water i mean whether the

00:05:49.200 epa testing is coming it back clean or not i mean i covered 9-11 and i covered the air after 9-11 and

00:05:56.160 all the different things that happened down the road because of the air coming out of the pit

00:06:01.520 you don't really know what's happening in in in east palestine you don't really understand what's

00:06:06.400 happening and you won't for a long time we won't we won't for some time no i mean there's no

00:06:11.720 question about it and these assurances i probably feel a little bit hollow to the people who

00:06:16.420 actually live there and have to have send their children back into those houses and play in those

00:06:20.400 yards and and drink all that water um jonathan lemire jen's right the epa has been there the ep

00:06:26.020 administrator's been there for several days on the ground but it sends a signal of the importance of

00:06:31.680 it if you send someone like secretary buddha judge and perhaps the president down the road that yes we

00:06:36.220 are focused on this and we will be here for the long haul buddha judge going today now uh at last and

00:06:41.000 they as just noted they're definitely acknowledged he should have been there sooner uh there's no

00:06:45.520 presidential trip scheduled yet uh to ohio that certainly could change whether the president or

00:06:49.660 the vice president go in a in a week or two is certainly uh possible um but i think that white

00:06:55.080 house aides have signaled to me yesterday they recognized this is the storyline that's not going

00:06:58.200 away that there are going to be tamika's point potentially ill health effects not just in the weeks

00:07:02.940 and months ahead but maybe years ahead and that's going to be okay okay okay i've heard enough uh

00:07:09.000 i just want to deconstruct that for you all they're talking about it's all total misdirection

00:07:13.620 play uh number one trump was the forcing function that forced all the action right along with coverage

00:07:19.520 of of of and people like jd vance getting involved in coverage of so much of the citizen journalist

00:07:26.220 that have been out there getting this done um they're talking about guys going and people going

00:07:33.260 and epa director going to people this is all performance it's not about people going trump forced

00:07:38.120 the function was the forcing function and it's not about the misdirection plan the derailment yes

00:07:42.420 the derailment's an issue and that'll all be dealt with it is about once again the burn pits and it's

00:07:49.060 about the controlled release and the uncontrolled burn and who authorized it and we know that the epa

00:07:54.640 was 14 or 15 or 16 or 20 days late and calling for a unified command which by federal law they have

00:08:00.420 joe biden is responsible with this by federal law what happened in the tanks and the clearing of the

00:08:05.920 tanks and the clearing of the track that is the main thing always remember the main thing is the

00:08:11.280 main thing and they were always trying to spin you with all this performative well he should have gone

00:08:15.720 that should have gone they should have gone and budaj the story in politico today has budaj whining you

00:08:21.300 know his team is whining and he's saying hey i did 23 interviews and nobody asked me that's not your job

00:08:26.640 is just responding to the softball mainstream media who's never going to ask you tough questions

00:08:31.080 dude he's wandering around out there today we're going to get hopefully savannah hernandez is out

00:08:36.760 there we got ed and karen john frederick is covering a hearing in pennsylvania at the legislature

00:08:41.640 it's thursday 23 february the year of 2023 the eve of the first year of the kickoff of the third

00:08:48.900 world war yes that would be the ukraine war we're going to get into all of that we've got brat uh we are

00:08:53.760 packed for the next two hours but always keep here we focus on the main thing not not side issues and

00:09:01.020 they're trying to dance around who should have gone what they should have done what photo op we should

00:09:05.060 have had no we're going to get to the bottom of this and i think criminal charges i want to bring in

00:09:09.480 charlie burnham burnham he's out there and charlie was recommended to us by jeff clark and jeff's done

00:09:15.800 such a great job on the legal aspects of this and charlie walk me through right now you got a lot of

00:09:21.080 people uh spinning stuff you got a lot of people you know hand waving uh the epa administrator as you

00:09:27.140 see it the president biden the administrative uh epa administrator have exclusive by federal law

00:09:32.380 have exclusive authorization it's their responsibility the buck stops with biden he can

00:09:39.220 deputize epa which he's done for a with an executive order but walk me through who's responsible because you

00:09:45.100 see msnbc they're they're talking about trained derailments and they got they're blaming this guy for

00:09:49.620 trump and epa's been there for a couple days what walk me through what the reality is

00:09:53.560 that's right um that is right the ultimate responsibility uh rests with the federal

00:10:00.840 government and you asked about you know you alluded a moment ago to the criminal possibilities here

00:10:07.240 and i think those possibilities are uh very real um both the clean water act and the clean air act

00:10:15.580 could potentially apply uh to this situation and an interesting thing about those two statutes

00:10:23.220 is they have provisions to impose criminal liability including prison time based on a simple uh negligence

00:10:32.360 standard uh most criminal statutes require some kind of proof of uh intentional wrongdoing

00:10:37.960 environmental crimes uh aren't like that and so if the evidence should emerge and there are several

00:10:45.140 lawsuits that are making this exact allegation that north norfolk southern or others were negligent in

00:10:50.880 their handling of the wreck and its aftermath uh criminal investigations and charges could be a real

00:10:56.940 possibility but but but charlie we should assume that uh corporate actors are not going to act

00:11:05.600 in the best interest of the community they're going to act in the best interest of shareholders

00:11:09.200 so and and and i know they maneuvered this and they've been called a bad actor and and shapiro now

00:11:14.680 says they broke away from the unified command but isn't the primary line of responsibility and what we

00:11:20.240 have to get to the bottom two is when norfolk southern uh notified i think at 23 53 or 22 53 on that

00:11:28.420 friday night the national response center by federal law things go it's supposed to kick in you're supposed to

00:11:34.100 have an unseen commander epa hit we have vpa on the record at two o'clock in the morning the next day

00:11:40.020 uh actually took took responsibility for this isn't it still the epa it's regan and up to biden

00:11:48.060 because they're in charge and not the local fire chief i mean they're trying to throw everybody on

00:11:52.240 the bus here and and don't get me wrong i'm the first one to say that hey we should impenal a criminal

00:11:55.700 grand jury on the norfolk southern situation but i just want to make sure we're precise by federal law

00:12:02.300 right now it is the epa and joe biden that are responsible for this and have been responsible

00:12:08.080 since they were notified uh at the national response center uh on that friday night early

00:12:13.640 saturday morning on the third of the fourth correct oh for sure absolutely right and there's good

00:12:18.920 reasons why the responsibility should rest exactly with the federal government uh as you stated

00:12:24.620 um private corporations have their own incentives that aren't necessarily aligned with the public

00:12:31.040 welfare and as for the local fire chief it defies not only law but i think common sense that

00:12:37.460 this decision would rest with him this is highly sophisticated equipment highly dangerous chemicals

00:12:44.760 that yes that someone in his position yes it's highly skilled though he uh certainly is uh would

00:12:51.400 not have the proper training on uh to make that call the epa is in the best position to do that for sure

00:12:56.780 charlie just hang on for one second i've got uh ed henry and and karen on um ed and karen you guys

00:13:04.960 have been there for a couple days morning joe is saying that what trump did is all performative

00:13:09.660 right just totally performative uh and it's just there to embarrass biden can we can we get your

00:13:15.780 assessment we got about a minute and a half you guys just roll but to tell me is it was it

00:13:19.440 performative or is president i'm gonna say two quick things function for action it was real it was action

00:13:24.860 it was leadership give me a break these guys who say this bs come to east palestine he before he

00:13:32.160 even got here forced the fema's hand and had them open up the checkbook this is a town of only 5 000

00:13:40.240 people and you had probably a quarter of the town that came out to see this man come here because

00:13:45.460 everybody else has abandoned them and we heard that over and over and again is my kids are affected

00:13:50.820 my family's affected we don't know what the long-term risks are and nobody's helping us

00:13:54.800 and here you're now criticizing the only person who showed up for the people of east palestine

00:14:00.480 because you don't like him yeah and steve this is the site of two things there's a creek behind us

00:14:05.520 and they are shooting the water out putting it through a filter so that hopefully it will be

00:14:10.680 clean from the chemicals that the biden administration has ignored where's aoc and all the environmental

00:14:16.400 eco-terrorists out there who want to talk about they're not here uh but my point is it's a site of two

00:14:22.120 things of the creek where they're trying to clean it up and maybe the place the spot where donald trump

00:14:27.600 was standing right here yesterday where he may have saved his 2024 campaign showed leadership and

00:14:34.140 what did he do he went back to 15 16 the forgotten man and woman this is trump country men and women

00:14:41.200 have come on our morning show for the last two days and said nobody in washington gives a damn about us

00:14:46.100 where have we heard that before 15 16 the democrats the rhinos like mcconnell they don't care about

00:14:52.560 these people donald trump does ed henry and karen turk right after the break from east palestine

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00:16:34.140 Mayor Pete, why did it take you an entire two and a half weeks to actually get here to respond to East Palestine?

00:16:39.960 Will you apologize to the residents of this city for the slow response, to the government's slow response?

00:16:47.180 Do you have any apology?

00:16:48.280 I'm this press person. I can help you.

00:16:49.680 Sure, sure, sure.

00:16:50.920 So can we ask why it took him almost three weeks to get here?

00:16:55.960 I'm sorry, I don't want to do this on camera.

00:16:58.040 What was his personal time off while there was a tragedy happening here?

00:17:01.680 And can we also ask, too, why he waited until President Donald Trump came here to actually make an appearance?

00:17:08.340 This is a very important question that people across America would like to know.

00:17:11.520 I'm happy to have a conversation with you. I do not want to be on camera.

00:17:14.560 Please put your cameras away.

00:17:16.660 I'm sorry, we're on a public area, so we are allowed as press.

00:17:21.600 You guys, I would like you guys to turn your cameras off.

00:17:24.940 That's the intrepid Savannah Hernandez.

00:17:27.760 She's been working with Ben Berquam.

00:17:30.000 That's your Ben Berquam right there.

00:17:31.540 Savannah, great job.

00:17:32.880 Savannah is out now trying to track him down.

00:17:34.440 Ed and Karen, here's what I don't understand.

00:17:37.060 Why is Savannah Hernandez harassing Pete Buttigieg?

00:17:40.660 Wasn't he on the way to Morning Sunrise?

00:17:42.980 He was going to be the main guest on your show this morning, correct?

00:17:48.560 He never made it.

00:17:49.620 He never showed up, just like the Biden administration left the people here abandoned and didn't show up.

00:17:54.220 It took Donald Trump to get him to show up.

00:17:56.120 You know, Steve, you know I covered a lot of White Houses, Democrat, Republican, where there's a hurricane down in Florida.

00:18:00.860 They'd run down there and help people, show they care.

00:18:03.900 I never thought I'd beat an American president to a natural disaster.

00:18:08.320 And that's what Karen and I did.

00:18:09.780 And Savannah and other people that have had the guts to actually come here.

00:18:13.680 A lot of the mainstream media has not been here.

00:18:15.600 They've maybe done a quick drive-by and not talked to real people.

00:18:19.300 I want to make another important point, which is someone who did come on American Sunrise a couple days ago,

00:18:24.060 Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:18:25.400 You know him well.

00:18:26.500 He made a point a couple days ago that Ronald Reagan scared the Soviets when he fired the air traffic controllers,

00:18:34.300 when he showed strength on the domestic side.

00:18:37.340 Then they were scared.

00:18:38.260 Then they were forced to the table.

00:18:39.800 Jimmy Carter, right?

00:18:41.340 Why were the Iranians moving in on the embassy?

00:18:44.240 Because they smelled weakness from this man.

00:18:47.740 And I think the same is happening.

00:18:50.040 Our friend Harry, our producer, sent us this note right before he came on with you.

00:18:54.000 And you might have already mentioned it.

00:18:55.520 U.S. sending up to 200 more troops.

00:18:57.400 I think Fox has a story.

00:18:58.760 200 more troops to Taiwan as China tensions grow.

00:19:02.340 If you listen to Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer in the same principle,

00:19:06.000 the Chinese, the Russians, they're watching Biden's disaster on the domestic front,

00:19:11.180 not helping his own people in Ohio, being embarrassed and shamed into sending Mayor Pete by one Donald J. Trump.

00:19:19.140 And now the Chinese tensions are growing in Taiwan and other places because none of these leaders fear Biden.

00:19:25.680 They all see with their own eyes what the mainstream media is blind to or looks the other way on, Karen,

00:19:31.980 which is that he's weak not just on the world stage.

00:19:34.740 Biden's not even showing up for these forgotten men and women.

00:19:37.620 And so the Chinese are rushing. They're going to do whatever the hell they want.

00:19:40.520 We still don't have answers about COVID, speaking of Chinese.

00:19:44.060 And we still don't have answers about the derailments and what's being caused.

00:19:46.700 And the Democrats are already shifting the narrative, trying to blame Donald Trump yet again,

00:19:51.120 saying that deregulation is somehow at fault for these horrible accidents that now are inspiring this cleanup.

00:19:57.900 But would there be this cleanup if Donald Trump wasn't coming to town?

00:20:01.260 Talk about theatrics.

00:20:01.620 He forced their hand.

00:20:02.900 He forced their hand.

00:20:04.140 I'm not saying these people aren't doing a good job.

00:20:06.420 They're blowing the water out of one side to the other to clean it.

00:20:09.260 They weren't doing that before Trump was saying that.

00:20:10.660 No.

00:20:13.080 That's the question I've got.

00:20:14.340 You see a lot of activity now.

00:20:15.920 CNN's got guys that are all in creeks.

00:20:17.540 Everybody's doing everything.

00:20:18.540 You've got air quality people running around.

00:20:20.520 You know, Josh Shapiro comes and DeWine comes on Monday.

00:20:22.900 And they're, like, in people's houses serving tea and scrubbing down the stove.

00:20:27.900 None of that happened.

00:20:29.900 This town had been abandoned until Trump announced he was coming and then the action of him coming.

00:20:35.820 Now it's all hands on deck, correct?

00:20:39.620 That's right.

00:20:40.300 It seems that way.

00:20:41.380 And I just think the people of this town deserve questions.

00:20:44.160 They deserve to know what are they doing to the water that they're pumping back here.

00:20:47.320 You know, a lot of these chemicals, when you start to do just even a little research on them, aren't removed in very traditional ways.

00:20:54.120 And is this going to be enough?

00:20:55.140 And what's the impact on their children and their children's children?

00:20:57.600 And this town, for years and decades to come, nobody knows.

00:21:01.100 Trump gets the credit.

00:21:01.940 They were not all hands on deck.

00:21:03.420 You're right.

00:21:03.820 FEMA wasn't writing checks.

00:21:05.620 They were telling people, go to a hotel if you want to leave your house.

00:21:09.480 We might reimburse you.

00:21:10.580 Keep the receipt.

00:21:12.160 It's bunk.

00:21:13.220 Hats off to Donald Trump, but also hats off to Senator J.D. Vance.

00:21:16.100 He took some time to talk to us yesterday.

00:21:18.100 And what he said, Steve, is we've been talking to real Americans here.

00:21:21.220 Their kids have rashes.

00:21:23.340 Their pets have been getting sick.

00:21:24.860 Some pets have been dying.

00:21:26.220 Thankfully, we haven't heard about the loss of human life.

00:21:29.080 But what J.D. Vance made the point was, he said, look, Ed, it's not that people are picking up some tap water and dropping dead, thankfully.

00:21:36.740 It's what's going to happen six months from now?

00:21:39.760 What happens, Steve, two years from now?

00:21:42.300 Because of the neglect from Biden, DeWine, and others.

00:21:45.360 It's the long-term impact.

00:21:47.120 It's like the 9-11 first responders who went to go to the pile at ground zero, help their fellow Americans, and then they wind up with cancer.

00:21:55.480 They wind up with these post-9-11 diseases that, again, the government denied and wouldn't listen to them about, and then they dropped dead.

00:22:02.460 It's a great comparison.

00:22:04.000 And a lot of the real Americans here we're talking about, they were laying tracks.

00:22:07.120 The train company came and laid tracks before they cleaned up the soil underneath.

00:22:11.560 So what's going to happen to that soil now?

00:22:13.460 It's just going to sit there until it permeates the water supply?

00:22:15.780 And who cares about the people on the ground?

00:22:17.940 And we've already seen, there's lawyers running around more than the federal government is.

00:22:22.040 We met one of the lawyers yesterday.

00:22:23.700 She had a clipboard to get information.

00:22:25.860 Now, on one hand, she might be helping some of these people.

00:22:27.960 On the other hand, you know what the trial lawyers do?

00:22:29.600 They're going to come in here and file lawsuits, right?

00:22:31.580 They want to make money off of these people.

00:22:33.540 More litigation, right?

00:22:35.100 But I've seen more lawyers here than I've seen Biden officials.

00:22:38.200 How about that?

00:22:40.680 Last thing, I know you guys got to bounce, but just put us in the room.

00:22:43.340 What is the feel of, when you see the creeks, when you have the smell out there, when you see the houses, what's the general feel of the place?

00:22:49.880 Is the feel that, hey, we've got a serious ecological problem and we're going to need serious people here for the long term because this is not a train derailment.

00:22:57.980 This is a massive ecological problem.

00:22:59.700 Yeah, you check into your hotel and there's a sign that says, make sure you take some of this water that's bottled water that's on the ground here because it's not just about drinking it.

00:23:09.740 Don't even brush your teeth.

00:23:11.000 We don't know what's in it.

00:23:13.000 We don't know what's not in it.

00:23:14.260 And you see these families.

00:23:15.420 Yesterday was a day of renewed hope, not just because Donald Trump came here, but because they realized they were all in it together.

00:23:22.200 And I think people came together and started talking about the problems that they're having and felt like they weren't alone.

00:23:27.120 You know, sometimes in tragedy, tragedy brings people together.

00:23:30.720 I mean, that's the only hope you can have for this community right now.

00:23:33.060 To Karen's point, to take you inside the room to answer your question, I talked to a guy who lived right across the street here, was waiting hours for Trump in the rain.

00:23:40.420 And I said, why are you happy about Trump being here?

00:23:43.020 And he said, it's one simple reason.

00:23:44.700 He's shining a light in a way that Biden ignored us.

00:23:48.120 Trump is bringing you and other people here and we're shining a light and I hope we get the help.

00:23:52.660 But to take you inside that room, the day after, there's a lot less people on the road over here.

00:23:58.660 There's a lot less media here.

00:24:00.340 Trump's gone.

00:24:01.380 Biden never came.

00:24:02.600 Right?

00:24:02.940 So the question is, yeah, Trump's shined the light, but he's not in office right now.

00:24:07.480 He might be in two years.

00:24:08.900 But the administration that's in power right now, there's a couple workers over there, shined the light.

00:24:16.180 Trump succeeded yesterday.

00:24:17.600 But is there going to be any follow through from Biden?

00:24:19.880 They're impotent.

00:24:20.580 You know that, Steve.

00:24:21.480 You talk about it every day.

00:24:22.660 By the way, Real America's Voice coverage has been phenomenal.

00:24:27.540 You've got the top producer in the country, Harry Oates, out there with you.

00:24:30.560 Harry, coming off the beach after a long vacation is hitting on all cylinders.

00:24:34.820 Your show's been amazing.

00:24:36.340 He got more attention than I did.

00:24:37.240 I was a little upset.

00:24:38.320 People pushed me out of the way to get a picture with Harry.

00:24:40.680 They got a picture with Harry.

00:24:42.660 This is actually a true story, Steve.

00:24:44.800 This is a true story.

00:24:47.540 Get us on Rumble.

00:24:48.940 Harry's a star.

00:24:49.720 We're all over.

00:24:50.300 So we're on Getter.

00:24:51.420 He is a star.

00:24:52.820 Our name's on Getter and True Social, Ed and Karen.

00:24:55.580 And then I've got something on Rumble now.

00:24:57.140 I want you to follow us.

00:24:58.120 Because at CPAC, I'm going to have a little scoop for you next week.

00:25:01.040 It's a big scoop, but it's got to wait.

00:25:02.980 Go to Rumble.

00:25:03.820 Mailman Media Delivers.

00:25:05.220 That's my account.

00:25:06.180 And we're going to have a video next week that you're going to love.

00:25:08.320 Promise, Steve.

00:25:09.140 I'll see you at CPAC.

00:25:10.940 Perfect.

00:25:12.240 Ed and Karen, fantastic job.

00:25:13.880 Great coverage.

00:25:15.080 Rob and Parker Sig.

00:25:16.260 Incredible.

00:25:16.740 Harry, incredible.

00:25:17.500 Just amazing.

00:25:18.000 Thank you guys very much.

00:25:19.020 Great job.

00:25:19.300 American Sunrise.

00:25:20.980 On it.

00:25:22.240 The morning show that's out there.

00:25:23.640 Thanks, guys.

00:25:24.740 Let's go to – we've got them stacked up like over an airport.

00:25:27.740 We're going to get them all.

00:25:28.560 Let's go to – do we have John Fredericks?

00:25:30.080 There's a hearing going on in Pennsylvania.

00:25:33.740 John, tell me about this hearing.

00:25:35.140 Are we getting to the bottom of what happened here, sir?

00:25:39.500 Well, you're live in the hearing now.

00:25:40.820 If you can see me on camera, we're at Community College of Beaver County.

00:25:45.000 This is in Menaca, Pennsylvania, about 21 miles outside of the border of Ohio, 22 miles from

00:25:54.340 actually East Palestine.

00:25:56.100 This hearing is the first really serious hearing being put on by anybody.

00:26:01.340 It's led by a chairman of the Veteran Affairs and Emergency Preparedness Committee.

00:26:07.080 This is a Pennsylvania Senate hearing led by Chairman Doug Mastriano, who's got a quorum

00:26:12.140 here of bipartisan senators attending.

00:26:14.580 There's about 300 people in the audience, Steve, some of these residents.

00:26:19.320 And what Mastriano said at the beginning of this on a radio show, he said, look, I'm from

00:26:26.520 Missouri.

00:26:26.960 If you're saying it's safe, prove it to me.

00:26:29.020 I want to get the evidence.

00:26:29.860 He's got a bevy of witnesses, one of them who was on our show earlier today, Sarah Kuntz,

00:26:36.220 who came onto the show on camera, her face covered in welts.

00:26:40.480 And she lives in a little town just outside here of Menaca, about seven miles from East

00:26:50.840 Palestine.

00:26:51.640 And she said that she can't stay in her home, that she gets up every day with her body is

00:26:56.140 full of welts.

00:26:57.020 She can't breathe.

00:26:58.420 She can't sleep.

00:26:59.940 Also, we had Doug Mastriano on and his chief of staff, Dan Cox, that ran for governor in

00:27:05.980 Maryland, both of them saying they went to East Palestine two days ago.

00:27:09.520 They spent about five hours there.

00:27:11.280 They got in the car.

00:27:12.500 They had a splitting headache.

00:27:13.500 They had a migraine.

00:27:15.200 Cox told me he had shortness of breath.

00:27:18.780 He had pain in his lungs.

00:27:20.360 And he's saying they're going around telling you it's fine.

00:27:22.560 I'm here five hours and I'm about to fall over.

00:27:25.480 So there's a litany of residents here.

00:27:28.260 And what Mastriano is calling this is a little Chernobyl.

00:27:33.020 And he's saying that the victims that he has now in this hearing today are have all been

00:27:40.260 injured by what is going on.

00:27:42.080 It's only been a few weeks.

00:27:43.080 And of course, you know, what the authorities are saying is everything is fine.

00:27:47.100 But of course, nobody will come here.

00:27:48.800 He also wants to get to the bottom of a very simple question, Steve, in these hearings.

00:27:54.000 Who made the decision for the controlled burn?

00:27:57.540 Yes.

00:27:57.740 He's trying to get to the bottom of that.

00:27:59.360 Yes.

00:27:59.540 I'll be reporting back throughout it.

00:28:03.880 We're going to pull you.

00:28:04.980 Jump back in there, John.

00:28:06.060 We'll get you later in the hour and then in the next hour.

00:28:09.220 John Frederick's live from the hearing in Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania State Senate.

00:28:13.960 To get to the bottom of it, short break.

00:28:16.520 We're all the tale of two cities, the war in Ukraine and the war in East Palestine, Ohio.

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00:29:50.980 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:29:54.060 Bannon.

00:29:54.400 Okay.

00:29:59.540 We've got a lot to get to.

00:30:01.100 John Fredericks is going back in the hearing again,

00:30:02.780 back at the top of the hour.

00:30:03.980 We've got a lot on Ukraine.

00:30:05.340 There's so much happening in the Third World War,

00:30:07.480 we're going to get to momentarily.

00:30:08.540 Dave Bratt is with me.

00:30:09.580 Also have some issues with the American economy.

00:30:12.220 We're going to get to that.

00:30:12.840 I want to bring in George Negron from EnviroCleanse.

00:30:16.880 George, now more than ever,

00:30:18.660 I thank you so much for pulling yourself out of your work

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00:30:27.840 You can't trust anything the EPA can't trust,

00:30:29.980 anything these guys are telling you.

00:30:31.800 You know, John Stewart just won,

00:30:34.060 after years of hammering,

00:30:35.920 he won this burn pit situation for the veterans.

00:30:38.920 People had been overseas,

00:30:39.920 and it was years afterwards they found out

00:30:42.540 what the issues were.

00:30:44.280 That's what's going to happen in East Palestine.

00:30:47.060 But now more than ever,

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00:30:50.460 You can't think the government's going to help you.

00:30:52.060 George, walk me through,

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00:33:14.280 George, thank you very much.

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00:33:17.860 Thank you.

00:33:19.760 When you're at the quality

00:33:21.200 that you're trying to purify

00:33:22.600 the air of the chemical

00:33:23.440 and biological attacks

00:33:24.600 on Navy combatants,

00:33:26.540 let me go back to Charlie Burnham.

00:33:27.880 Charlie, we're going to go back

00:33:29.020 to John Fredericks

00:33:29.680 at the top of the hour

00:33:30.620 in this hearing in Pennsylvania.

00:33:33.520 What advice would you have?

00:33:34.900 Because Shapiro's

00:33:35.660 kind of been dancing around.

00:33:36.820 At first, he said

00:33:37.640 he came out with a press thing.

00:33:39.220 He thanked Norfolk Southern

00:33:40.760 for doing the controlled burn.

00:33:43.080 He was all happy.

00:33:44.120 Then when War Room

00:33:44.920 and others started

00:33:45.400 putting pressure on him,

00:33:46.240 all of a sudden,

00:33:46.580 he's down there.

00:33:47.380 He said he's sending

00:33:49.060 a criminal complaint

00:33:50.040 to his attorney general.

00:33:51.720 Walk me through Shapiro's

00:33:53.040 involvement in this,

00:33:54.560 and what would be

00:33:55.780 your recommendation

00:33:56.320 if you were testifying

00:33:57.500 in front of Doug,

00:33:58.340 Senator Doug Mastriani's

00:33:59.560 committee today?

00:34:01.100 So a couple things, Stephen.

00:34:02.620 I noticed the same thing

00:34:03.800 you did,

00:34:04.260 that the attorney general's

00:34:05.620 public statements early on

00:34:07.220 were markedly different

00:34:09.160 from what he said recently,

00:34:11.560 most notably

00:34:12.100 the criminal referral.

00:34:13.720 And he wasn't real specific

00:34:15.000 about what criminal laws

00:34:16.720 he has in mind,

00:34:18.200 but he did say

00:34:18.700 something interesting,

00:34:19.520 which was that in his mind,

00:34:21.340 he received false

00:34:22.560 and misleading information

00:34:23.820 from the railroad,

00:34:25.540 which is a significant thing.

00:34:28.480 You don't want to read

00:34:29.180 too much into this,

00:34:30.180 but it could be

00:34:31.100 that the difference

00:34:31.960 between the attorney general's

00:34:33.660 statements over time

00:34:34.520 is because he learned

00:34:35.400 something that he thought

00:34:37.060 was satisfying

00:34:37.780 about the need

00:34:38.360 for the controlled burn

00:34:39.240 or other things,

00:34:40.100 you know,

00:34:40.420 a couple weeks ago

00:34:41.160 and later on received

00:34:42.020 other information

00:34:43.360 that changed his mind.

00:34:44.580 I don't know,

00:34:45.320 but that seems to be

00:34:46.180 one explanation

00:34:47.060 for the way

00:34:48.080 that's all unfolded.

00:34:49.380 And of course,

00:34:49.800 if it did turn out

00:34:50.620 that the railroad

00:34:52.320 was misleading

00:34:53.420 to government officials

00:34:54.980 in the initial response,

00:34:56.740 that opens up

00:34:58.460 whole new avenues

00:34:59.300 for investigation

00:35:00.520 at the state

00:35:01.320 and the federal level.

00:35:03.600 So that's one thing.

00:35:05.340 The second thing

00:35:06.040 I'd be really...

00:35:06.720 Go ahead.

00:35:08.860 No, no, go ahead.

00:35:09.940 Continue on.

00:35:10.640 The second thing is,

00:35:11.520 and this is something

00:35:12.020 you alluded to earlier,

00:35:13.420 is I would want to know

00:35:15.260 if I was Senator Mestriano

00:35:16.480 or the attorney general,

00:35:17.740 is was the controlled burn

00:35:19.640 really necessary?

00:35:20.920 You know,

00:35:21.400 sometimes the way

00:35:22.320 this has been presented

00:35:23.320 is the choices

00:35:24.060 are either giant explosion

00:35:25.440 with flames

00:35:27.920 or controlled burn.

00:35:29.600 And some of the lawsuits

00:35:30.800 that have been filed,

00:35:31.900 some of the more thorough

00:35:32.680 complaints,

00:35:34.520 suggest that there was

00:35:35.720 a third,

00:35:36.840 perhaps more expensive,

00:35:37.920 possibility

00:35:38.460 that would have

00:35:39.140 averted either

00:35:40.120 of those things.

00:35:40.740 Now, obviously,

00:35:41.680 this gets very technical

00:35:42.700 very quickly,

00:35:43.920 and I don't know

00:35:44.460 the answer to that.

00:35:45.300 But if I was

00:35:45.820 Senator Mestriano

00:35:46.640 or the attorney general

00:35:48.080 or a resident

00:35:49.180 of East Palestine,

00:35:51.100 that's what I'd want to know.

00:35:53.600 This is why Jeff Clark

00:35:54.620 said I had to get you on.

00:35:55.380 You've gone to the main thing.

00:35:57.040 Here's the point.

00:35:58.140 And what Shapiro said

00:35:59.140 upon further review,

00:36:00.180 you know,

00:36:00.380 they were not part

00:36:01.600 of the command.

00:36:02.160 They went rogue.

00:36:04.280 They went independent.

00:36:06.080 It doesn't matter

00:36:07.480 what Norfolk Southern

00:36:09.800 put up

00:36:10.620 as far as modeling,

00:36:11.960 even if they did.

00:36:13.740 It's the,

00:36:14.440 once again,

00:36:15.220 it is the federal

00:36:16.080 government's response.

00:36:17.360 This is not just

00:36:17.980 a trained derailment.

00:36:18.920 This is a toxic waste site,

00:36:20.520 right?

00:36:21.360 That goes to a whole

00:36:22.580 different element.

00:36:23.480 It is,

00:36:24.260 the EPA

00:36:24.900 is the on-scene commander.

00:36:27.540 They are by federal

00:36:28.440 statute

00:36:29.240 responsible.

00:36:30.900 There's a whole process

00:36:31.820 this goes to.

00:36:32.440 This is what you're paying

00:36:33.080 six trillion dollars

00:36:33.900 a year for,

00:36:34.380 ladies and gentlemen.

00:36:35.660 This is where it kicks in.

00:36:36.520 It goes to Biden.

00:36:37.740 He's deputized EPA

00:36:38.880 through an executive order,

00:36:40.060 but the buck stops

00:36:41.120 with him.

00:36:41.600 And so when Josh Shapiro

00:36:43.480 and DeWine start going

00:36:44.700 and they're telling CNN,

00:36:47.080 oh,

00:36:47.460 you know,

00:36:47.660 they misled us.

00:36:49.080 Well,

00:36:49.200 hey,

00:36:49.360 you have to assume

00:36:50.220 they're just one piece

00:36:52.460 of information.

00:36:53.460 It could be right.

00:36:54.800 It could be wrong.

00:36:56.140 But that's,

00:36:56.780 the federal government

00:36:58.280 and the EPA

00:36:58.820 is the one that's got to

00:36:59.960 look at all the alternatives

00:37:01.000 and look at all the modeling

00:37:02.140 and see what happens.

00:37:03.040 And you've hit the main thing.

00:37:05.040 Why did they even

00:37:05.980 have a controlled release?

00:37:07.280 Because they wanted to get

00:37:08.120 the tankers off that track.

00:37:09.580 You see,

00:37:10.060 why did they have

00:37:10.700 a controlled release?

00:37:11.600 Who authorized

00:37:12.620 the controlled release,

00:37:13.880 quote unquote,

00:37:15.020 and then,

00:37:15.480 because they just put it

00:37:16.160 in a ditch,

00:37:16.820 that's what ran into the creek,

00:37:18.220 and then an uncontrolled burn,

00:37:20.020 because it's not a controlled burn.

00:37:21.380 A controlled burn would be

00:37:22.220 an incinerator,

00:37:22.940 take it somewhere

00:37:23.480 and actually control it.

00:37:25.120 Who made these decisions?

00:37:27.540 That's the beating heart

00:37:28.720 of both the civil suits

00:37:29.800 and really the criminal,

00:37:31.080 the criminal endangerment

00:37:33.320 of the citizens,

00:37:34.560 not just of East Palestine.

00:37:35.660 You've got a woman

00:37:36.480 with welts all over

00:37:37.520 in Pennsylvania.

00:37:38.220 She lives on the Pennsylvania side

00:37:39.960 seven miles away,

00:37:41.320 but you have the whole

00:37:42.420 east coast of the United States.

00:37:44.620 Is that the beating heart

00:37:46.280 of the issue?

00:37:47.760 Who had authority

00:37:49.120 and responsibility?

00:37:50.820 Who had the ability

00:37:52.140 to make a decision,

00:37:53.440 and how was that decision made?

00:37:55.080 Charlie Burnham?

00:37:55.680 I think that's absolutely

00:37:58.180 the crucial question,

00:37:59.140 and it's something

00:37:59.520 that was striking to me,

00:38:01.280 is not being a direct participant

00:38:03.240 in this,

00:38:03.780 but researching it

00:38:04.540 as thoroughly as I could.

00:38:06.120 It's not publicly been released

00:38:07.840 in clear terms

00:38:08.740 that I could find.

00:38:09.900 I could be corrected.

00:38:10.940 Who made that decision?

00:38:12.400 Certain people agreed with it.

00:38:13.560 Certain people were consulted,

00:38:15.360 but there's not an answer

00:38:16.660 to who gave the thumbs up

00:38:18.240 or the thumbs down.

00:38:19.900 And the question I'd be asking

00:38:20.940 if I was a resident

00:38:21.760 of East Palestine is,

00:38:23.440 would this have been

00:38:24.220 the same response

00:38:25.180 if there had been

00:38:25.860 a similar environmental disaster

00:38:27.540 in a wealthy city

00:38:29.600 or in a different part

00:38:30.940 of the country?

00:38:31.660 And I think that's

00:38:32.860 a fair question,

00:38:33.480 and I think it deserves

00:38:34.580 to be answered.

00:38:37.740 Charlie, you're saying

00:38:39.360 that if this had happened

00:38:40.480 in East Hamptons

00:38:42.520 or South Hampton

00:38:43.460 or in Holmby Hills,

00:38:45.660 right,

00:38:46.280 or somewhere like that,

00:38:47.880 it might have been handled

00:38:49.540 a little differently.

00:38:50.780 You might have had this,

00:38:51.420 and you're 100% correct.

00:38:52.560 We have done all the research

00:38:53.840 on this.

00:38:54.220 Nobody has actually admitted

00:38:56.360 exactly what the chain

00:38:57.580 of command was.

00:38:58.320 They keep saying

00:38:58.720 the authorities

00:38:59.380 and it was the fire chief

00:39:01.080 or it was Norfolk Southern

00:39:02.140 and they got to pay,

00:39:03.380 but you can't find it.

00:39:04.820 Charlie, do you have

00:39:05.460 social media?

00:39:06.160 I know you're a lawyer

00:39:07.160 that's now on top

00:39:08.280 of this case,

00:39:09.140 but do you have social media

00:39:10.160 people can follow you?

00:39:12.440 I'm on Twitter,

00:39:13.160 at CBurnumESQ on Twitter.

00:39:17.920 Okay, Charlie,

00:39:18.720 we're going to make you famous.

00:39:19.840 We'll make sure you get

00:39:20.560 a bunch of followers today

00:39:22.360 because everybody's going

00:39:22.920 to want to know

00:39:23.420 if this is incredibly important.

00:39:25.440 I really thank you

00:39:26.080 for coming on today, Charlie.

00:39:27.140 We look forward

00:39:27.520 to having you back on.

00:39:29.200 Thanks very much

00:39:29.860 for having me.

00:39:30.420 It was a pleasure

00:39:30.860 to be here.

00:39:33.020 Thanks, brother.

00:39:33.580 We've got to get

00:39:36.500 to the bottom of this.

00:39:38.180 We've got to get

00:39:38.580 to the bottom of this.

00:39:39.180 You're going to see

00:39:39.540 all kind of spin

00:39:40.820 about derailment

00:39:41.860 and about this

00:39:42.740 and about that

00:39:43.400 and brakes

00:39:43.960 and Trump

00:39:45.160 and that he didn't go

00:39:46.960 to any railroad derailments.

00:39:49.160 That's not the point.

00:39:51.060 It's not the point.

00:39:52.720 You had a major

00:39:53.640 ecological problem here,

00:39:55.220 toxic hazardous materials

00:39:57.700 and there's a procedure

00:39:59.620 and a process

00:40:00.420 to be handled.

00:40:01.600 This is the same thing.

00:40:02.440 This is endemic

00:40:03.380 in the Biden administration.

00:40:05.360 Remember the spinning around

00:40:06.500 about the shooting down UFOs

00:40:08.040 and all this?

00:40:08.660 They want to get off

00:40:09.780 the fact

00:40:10.500 that they knew

00:40:13.260 the spy balloon

00:40:14.200 left Hanan Island

00:40:15.720 right off mainland China

00:40:17.120 on 20 January

00:40:19.060 and the CCP knows that.

00:40:21.280 That's why the CCP

00:40:22.080 has no respect

00:40:23.220 for these people whatsoever.

00:40:24.740 They understand

00:40:25.100 the calto.

00:40:26.260 And Ed Henry,

00:40:27.060 Tony Schaefer,

00:40:27.720 Colonel Tony Schaefer's

00:40:28.700 analysis on Ed Henry

00:40:31.360 and Karen Turk's show

00:40:32.180 the other day

00:40:32.660 about the air traffic control

00:40:34.080 is absolutely correct.

00:40:35.040 The KGB and these guys

00:40:35.980 look at how you handle

00:40:37.140 domestic problems.

00:40:37.900 One thing I know right now

00:40:38.680 with Biden,

00:40:40.160 he has very little

00:40:41.360 domestic support.

00:40:43.100 He's looked at it

00:40:43.600 as feckless and weak.

00:40:44.360 It's one of the reasons

00:40:45.180 he's delayed this announcement

00:40:46.620 on his presidency

00:40:47.280 until quote unquote

00:40:48.220 sometime in April.

00:40:49.640 Not coming right out of the box.

00:40:51.200 I also think that's tied

00:40:52.320 to the grand juries

00:40:53.200 and what they're trying

00:40:53.780 to cook up there.

00:40:54.860 But we'll get to

00:40:55.920 more of that later.

00:40:56.580 I want to get Dave Brett.

00:40:57.840 Dave, I know you've got

00:40:58.680 a lot of stuff to say

00:40:59.360 on China.

00:40:59.780 You want to talk

00:41:00.460 about debt.

00:41:00.960 We want to talk

00:41:01.280 about the Third World War.

00:41:02.160 But I got to get

00:41:03.240 your thoughts right now.

00:41:04.560 Give me your thoughts

00:41:05.120 on East Palestine,

00:41:06.700 the forgotten man,

00:41:07.640 Trump's involvement

00:41:08.360 in the Biden regime's

00:41:10.160 response to this, sir.

00:41:13.160 Well, I just want

00:41:14.820 to compliment you

00:41:16.220 yesterday on the story

00:41:19.040 with the Catholics

00:41:21.700 going door to door,

00:41:22.900 handing out cash

00:41:23.820 and getting hugs.

00:41:25.600 That this is the perfect

00:41:28.240 tale of two cities, right?

00:41:29.960 These folks have been

00:41:30.840 left behind.

00:41:32.220 They're God-fearing,

00:41:33.540 hard-working people.

00:41:35.300 They deserve our respect,

00:41:36.700 attention.

00:41:37.520 And I'm going to go

00:41:38.680 into the debt story.

00:41:40.080 And the debt story

00:41:41.100 actually covers it.

00:41:42.400 You just mentioned

00:41:42.900 we're spending $6 trillion

00:41:44.340 a year for government spending

00:41:47.380 to support these people,

00:41:49.160 supposedly.

00:41:50.100 But none of it's

00:41:50.920 showing up to the people.

00:41:51.740 It's all showing up

00:41:52.600 in the stock market gains

00:41:55.060 for the super wealthy.

00:41:56.640 And I think everybody's

00:41:57.420 starting to know this now,

00:41:58.460 but everybody needs

00:41:59.180 to share this.

00:42:00.180 And so my heart

00:42:01.000 goes out to the folks.

00:42:02.680 And I think we're going

00:42:03.580 to get it right

00:42:04.120 in spite of the government

00:42:05.100 because the American people

00:42:06.180 are just decent,

00:42:07.080 good people.

00:42:08.080 And we know how

00:42:08.900 to take care of each other.

00:42:11.920 Before we're going

00:42:12.600 to take a break

00:42:13.240 and come back,

00:42:13.760 I want to get into

00:42:14.160 all the debt.

00:42:14.800 But you were in the house.

00:42:16.760 How quickly,

00:42:17.600 I mean, McCarthy

00:42:18.200 and these guys seem

00:42:19.100 a little slow off the mark

00:42:20.240 on some of these things.

00:42:20.800 I understand they're getting

00:42:21.340 all these investigations ready.

00:42:23.120 But shouldn't Monday

00:42:24.000 when they're back,

00:42:25.240 they ought to have

00:42:25.980 the CEO of Norfolk Southern,

00:42:29.860 they ought to have Mike DeWine,

00:42:30.940 they ought to have Josh Shapiro,

00:42:32.140 they ought to have

00:42:32.520 the EPA head,

00:42:33.800 Mike Regan, Buttigieg.

00:42:35.260 Shouldn't they all be

00:42:36.000 in front of a congressional

00:42:36.860 hearing on Monday, sir,

00:42:38.060 in the House?

00:42:39.760 Yeah, I mean,

00:42:40.300 I just follow the golden rule.

00:42:42.080 It's not even necessarily political.

00:42:43.580 But can you imagine

00:42:44.920 what would happen

00:42:45.720 with, you know,

00:42:46.420 got a President Trump

00:42:47.440 in office

00:42:47.920 and a Republican governor

00:42:49.700 in a high-wealth city

00:42:51.260 and an environmental catastrophe?

00:42:53.860 I mean,

00:42:54.640 you know,

00:42:55.180 it kind of reflects

00:42:56.680 the moral decency

00:42:57.680 of our side at some times

00:42:58.620 that we just don't

00:42:59.220 politicize everything.

00:43:00.920 But this thing

00:43:01.900 is a disaster

00:43:03.040 because human lives

00:43:04.280 are at stake

00:43:04.800 and human wealth

00:43:05.480 and health

00:43:05.920 and their welfare

00:43:06.860 is at stake.

00:43:07.700 So, yes,

00:43:08.200 we ought to be,

00:43:09.200 we ought to just be

00:43:09.960 flooding the zone right now

00:43:11.260 on behalf of the people,

00:43:12.780 not just politics.

00:43:14.940 But, yeah,

00:43:15.300 the House needs to get

00:43:16.060 its act together

00:43:16.780 and some urgency.

00:43:18.100 And I'm going to say

00:43:19.500 some things

00:43:20.040 to get my own team.

00:43:21.140 I'm going to put

00:43:21.520 a little fire on them

00:43:22.300 on this debt issue.

00:43:23.700 Anybody that keeps voting

00:43:24.720 for these continued

00:43:25.800 $2 trillion deficits

00:43:27.460 is going to find

00:43:29.160 some competition

00:43:29.860 coming up, I hope.

00:43:31.940 Okay, okay.

00:43:32.820 We're going to take

00:43:33.520 a short break.

00:43:34.680 We are packed

00:43:35.720 wall-to-wall,

00:43:36.580 but we're going

00:43:36.900 to get it all done.

00:43:37.640 We're going to talk

00:43:38.020 about the economy,

00:43:39.080 capital markets,

00:43:39.940 debt,

00:43:40.640 the war in Ukraine.

00:43:41.520 We're going to go back

00:43:42.200 to the hearing

00:43:42.620 in Pennsylvania.

00:43:43.140 We're going to go back

00:43:43.940 to East Palestine, Ohio.

00:43:45.780 We got it all.

00:43:46.820 It's the tale

00:43:47.340 of the two cities

00:43:48.220 and the beginning

00:43:48.940 of the Third World War.

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00:47:05.000 So honored to be out there.

00:47:06.540 Let's go to Dave Bratt.

00:47:08.040 Now, Dave,

00:47:08.620 here's the thing.

00:47:09.320 The New York Times

00:47:09.880 reported this front page.

00:47:11.200 So the Times

00:47:11.620 takes it importantly.

00:47:13.080 The CBO,

00:47:14.300 the Congressional Budget Office,

00:47:16.020 which are not people

00:47:16.680 who normally have

00:47:17.180 their hair on fire,

00:47:17.840 said on the current plan

00:47:19.420 of the Biden regime,

00:47:21.560 there's a $1.4 trillion

00:47:24.600 deficit this year,

00:47:25.520 we called it,

00:47:26.580 $2 trillion after that

00:47:28.080 in perpetuity.

00:47:29.640 They cut it at 10 years.

00:47:31.340 In 10 years,

00:47:31.960 we had $19 trillion

00:47:33.020 where we're at $50 trillion

00:47:34.240 just on the balance sheet

00:47:35.720 of the Treasury,

00:47:36.940 not even including

00:47:37.400 the Federal Reserve.

00:47:38.660 It's not sustainable.

00:47:39.780 It's not close

00:47:40.260 to being sustainable.

00:47:41.000 You're spending

00:47:41.440 trillions of dollars

00:47:42.340 in the just interest rates.

00:47:43.460 The whole system

00:47:44.320 will collapse.

00:47:45.900 If you follow this,

00:47:47.340 if you follow this,

00:47:48.240 and this is why

00:47:48.560 the Times put it

00:47:49.260 on the front page

00:47:50.380 and they put it

00:47:50.800 on the far right,

00:47:51.560 that's basically

00:47:52.940 the lead story,

00:47:54.120 is that this is

00:47:55.100 not sustainable.

00:47:56.160 Now, here's what's

00:47:56.660 got me concerned.

00:47:58.020 You've got Russ Vogt

00:47:58.660 with his balanced budget.

00:48:00.460 I'll be honest.

00:48:01.400 We're spending

00:48:01.740 a ton of time

00:48:02.460 as you are

00:48:02.800 behind the scenes,

00:48:03.700 talking to people,

00:48:04.360 working with people.

00:48:05.180 I'm not feeling

00:48:06.240 the heat, brother.

00:48:07.420 This is not going

00:48:08.840 to be easy.

00:48:10.520 We're in a situation

00:48:12.200 that all the easy choices

00:48:14.400 were literally decades ago

00:48:16.600 when you got these wars

00:48:18.240 in Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:48:19.740 And by the way,

00:48:20.180 Iraq just announced yesterday,

00:48:21.300 guess what?

00:48:22.280 They're doing

00:48:22.760 a big output deal

00:48:23.580 with China

00:48:23.980 and they're going

00:48:24.400 to convert it

00:48:24.940 all into R&B,

00:48:26.680 not into dollars.

00:48:27.860 So our good buddies,

00:48:28.980 our allies,

00:48:29.680 the country we freed

00:48:30.560 for, what is it,

00:48:31.560 seven trillion dollars

00:48:32.480 and all those

00:48:32.840 American lives

00:48:33.540 backstabbing us

00:48:34.980 right there.

00:48:35.440 it's all coming apart.

00:48:38.720 We don't have anybody

00:48:39.600 standing with us

00:48:40.560 unless we're writing checks.

00:48:42.120 They're a protector.

00:48:43.040 They're a vassal state.

00:48:44.120 They'll stand with you

00:48:44.940 if you write a check.

00:48:45.900 If you write a check,

00:48:46.660 they're your buddy.

00:48:47.440 Don't write a check.

00:48:48.120 They don't know who you are.

00:48:49.560 That's the way the world is.

00:48:51.040 If you want a friend,

00:48:51.960 buy a dog.

00:48:53.760 Okay?

00:48:54.860 Brad,

00:48:55.360 I'm not feeling it

00:48:56.660 from the Republican right

00:48:58.500 that we got to stop

00:49:00.580 this nonsense.

00:49:01.120 I'm feeling that

00:49:02.520 we're going to be

00:49:02.980 performative, sir,

00:49:03.940 and we're beyond

00:49:04.540 performative.

00:49:05.180 Dave Bratt.

00:49:07.240 Yeah, thanks, Steve.

00:49:08.520 Your gut is usually right.

00:49:11.060 In this case,

00:49:11.580 it's spot on

00:49:12.920 and we're not feeling

00:49:14.420 the heat.

00:49:15.020 That's why I wanted

00:49:15.720 to come on.

00:49:16.560 You know,

00:49:16.720 this was a story

00:49:17.720 a week ago

00:49:18.380 with the CBO numbers

00:49:19.660 and since then,

00:49:21.760 you know,

00:49:22.100 it's passed, right?

00:49:24.360 And so our conservative

00:49:25.120 friends out there

00:49:25.900 are on every issue

00:49:27.180 under the sun

00:49:28.140 and that's important.

00:49:30.260 But I'm an economist

00:49:31.660 and, you know,

00:49:32.900 so maybe I'm biased

00:49:33.860 this way.

00:49:34.820 But if you end

00:49:35.620 this one, right,

00:49:37.200 this assault

00:49:38.140 on the American

00:49:38.980 pocketbook

00:49:40.080 and dinner table,

00:49:41.340 you'll end

00:49:42.100 the others, right?

00:49:43.220 You might get

00:49:43.720 a judiciary

00:49:45.100 that's under,

00:49:46.700 not insane.

00:49:48.420 You might not be

00:49:49.300 in never-ending wars.

00:49:50.740 You don't have

00:49:51.260 never-ending EPA spending,

00:49:53.440 transportation spending,

00:49:54.800 education spending

00:49:55.920 without getting

00:49:56.900 any results.

00:49:58.560 And so everybody,

00:49:59.400 this is the issue

00:50:00.780 to get with your

00:50:01.400 congressman and woman

00:50:02.360 and if they go along,

00:50:04.500 right,

00:50:04.740 Steve just said

00:50:05.720 the CBO result

00:50:07.240 on net

00:50:08.240 is we're going to have

00:50:08.800 $2 trillion deficits

00:50:10.280 from here ongoing.

00:50:12.720 If your representative

00:50:13.980 votes for that,

00:50:14.680 it doesn't matter

00:50:14.960 what party they're in,

00:50:16.380 they got to take

00:50:17.240 a permanent leave

00:50:18.640 from the city,

00:50:19.340 from the swamp.

00:50:20.620 And so I just want

00:50:21.380 to go over

00:50:21.720 some of the charts

00:50:22.840 because sometimes

00:50:24.340 the messaging,

00:50:25.320 right,

00:50:25.660 the current administration

00:50:27.520 is saying

00:50:28.140 the deficit's down.

00:50:29.880 Well, yeah,

00:50:30.260 it's down

00:50:30.660 because in 20,

00:50:32.180 the deficit

00:50:32.680 was $3 trillion

00:50:34.880 and now it's 1.4

00:50:38.000 on its way

00:50:38.620 back up to two.

00:50:39.720 So it's true

00:50:40.400 it went down,

00:50:42.060 but it's very misleading.

00:50:43.680 So let's just start

00:50:44.360 with the first chart,

00:50:45.780 which just shows

00:50:46.980 the Trump budget

00:50:48.760 baseline numbers

00:50:49.780 versus the Biden

00:50:50.920 baseline numbers.

00:50:52.680 And if you just

00:50:53.400 want to state

00:50:53.880 with a status quo

00:50:54.900 Trump budget trajectory,

00:50:56.640 the orange lines,

00:50:58.200 there'd be a $10 trillion

00:51:00.100 difference by 2033.

00:51:03.300 That's the time period

00:51:04.180 we're talking about,

00:51:05.480 right?

00:51:05.840 So when the current

00:51:06.460 administration says

00:51:07.320 they're cutting spending,

00:51:08.460 et cetera,

00:51:09.320 you can torture

00:51:10.680 the numbers all you want.

00:51:12.100 But this chart

00:51:12.920 is real.

00:51:14.860 The source

00:51:15.380 is CBO.

00:51:18.380 Steve posted

00:51:19.620 this the other day

00:51:20.880 and so I'm borrowing

00:51:21.960 it from Steve Moore.

00:51:23.500 But the next chart,

00:51:24.600 we'll just dig

00:51:25.520 into some of the numbers

00:51:26.680 that'll help give you

00:51:28.420 the confidence

00:51:29.100 to make the argument.

00:51:30.120 So right now,

00:51:30.680 we're at 2023,

00:51:31.620 right where the dotted line

00:51:32.620 projected is.

00:51:34.060 Right now,

00:51:34.560 we're at our debt

00:51:36.060 is 100%

00:51:38.060 of GDP.

00:51:40.360 Right?

00:51:40.560 Steve's pointed out

00:51:41.480 Rogoff

00:51:42.220 and some scholars

00:51:44.340 that in the past

00:51:45.660 that would have put you

00:51:46.460 at Latin American debt levels

00:51:48.120 where the siren

00:51:49.180 starts going off.

00:51:50.780 Now,

00:51:51.180 none of these charts

00:51:52.680 are hair on fire.

00:51:53.660 This is CBO,

00:51:54.820 the most boring people.

00:51:56.280 The numbers are going

00:51:56.960 to be way worse

00:51:58.160 than this.

00:51:59.120 I'm just giving you

00:51:59.920 stable numbers.

00:52:00.940 It's all at

00:52:01.320 Bratt Economics

00:52:02.080 so you can share them.

00:52:03.840 But look at the far right,

00:52:04.940 2053 debt.

00:52:07.100 Our debt

00:52:07.720 in the United States

00:52:08.580 of America

00:52:09.020 is going to be

00:52:09.740 200%

00:52:11.140 of GDP.

00:52:13.360 Right?

00:52:13.620 So our GDP right now

00:52:14.580 is about 25 trillion.

00:52:16.200 That's everything

00:52:17.100 we make in a year.

00:52:18.140 Good services,

00:52:18.880 everything.

00:52:19.560 The debt's going to be

00:52:20.420 twice that

00:52:21.500 in 2053.

00:52:22.940 That is unsustainable.

00:52:24.540 The left is

00:52:25.440 hair on fire

00:52:26.180 about the,

00:52:26.960 you know,

00:52:27.260 yeah,

00:52:27.800 yeah,

00:52:28.060 yeah,

00:52:28.200 go ahead,

00:52:28.580 Steve.

00:52:29.980 We're going to take

00:52:30.660 a short break.

00:52:31.320 It's a 90 second break.

00:52:32.120 We'll come back.

00:52:32.700 I think

00:52:33.360 what makes it even worse,

00:52:35.160 I think that's,

00:52:35.920 I don't think that's total debt.

00:52:37.340 I think that's debt we hold.

00:52:39.500 I think that's debt the American,

00:52:40.640 I think that's debt.

00:52:41.960 Yeah.

00:52:42.160 Hold it.

00:52:42.480 Hang on.

00:52:42.820 This is even,

00:52:43.360 this is the old,

00:52:44.040 okay,

00:52:44.460 this is the old okey-doke.

00:52:46.860 This is the old okey-doke.

00:52:48.840 That is just debt we hold.

00:52:51.060 That ain't the debt

00:52:52.000 that the CCP

00:52:53.020 and the Japanese

00:52:54.140 insurance companies

00:52:55.040 we had to sell.

00:52:55.820 That's just debt we hold.

00:52:57.360 That shows you how bad it is.

00:52:58.880 The total debt

00:52:59.500 is many times the economy.

00:53:00.840 Okay,

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Bannon's War Room - February 23, 2023

Episode 2539： Buttigeg Finally On The Ground In Ohio

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