Bannon's War Room - Episode 2545： Interference From Globalist Players

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.620 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.860 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.120 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.020 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.480 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.220 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.140 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.400 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.820 Mega Media.

00:00:28.720 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.620 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.360 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.740 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:50.480 Okay, it's Saturday, February 25th, 25 February in the year of our Lord, 2023.

00:00:56.060 Here we're doing the Tale of Three Cities.

00:00:58.400 We're going to do all the analysis of what's going on in the country and the world on the first day of the second year of the beginning of the Third World War.

00:01:06.760 I wanted to start with the evening host of one of the most popular shows around, Grant Stinchfield.

00:01:12.120 Grant, I don't think we'd have a better guy than you that could kind of compare and contrast.

00:01:18.300 Yuma, Arizona, East Palestine, Ohio, and what's happening in the Ukraine.

00:01:24.200 Sir, walk us through it.

00:01:25.180 The Tale of Three Cities.

00:01:26.320 What is happening to our own country at the same time this involvement we've got, this relentless involvement we've got in the beginning of the Third World War?

00:01:34.520 You know, it's interesting, Steve, when you brought this up to me and I was thinking of these three cities and I said, you know, you got some real disparities, obviously, between these three cities, but you have some real similarities as well.

00:01:44.920 And so, while you talk about the war in Ukraine, I would say that we're in the middle of a war in Yuma, Arizona.

00:01:52.440 I mean, our city there and all these border towns are under siege.

00:01:57.560 It is an absolute invasion.

00:01:59.480 And so while Zelensky faces the invasion of his own, we face one as well.

00:02:04.860 And then when you combine Joe Biden and Team Biden's response to that invasion, we have zero response in Yuma, Arizona.

00:02:13.120 And we have an unbelievable response in Ukraine with no checks and balances whatsoever.

00:02:18.840 We have no idea where this money is going.

00:02:21.820 And all the while, I believe we have politicians and pundits that believe we're still in 1987.

00:02:27.260 I do not believe we're in 1987 anymore.

00:02:30.060 And I don't believe we face the same threats today that we faced back then.

00:02:34.500 And then, of course, to bring in Palestine. 0.99

00:02:37.660 Well, you compare that to Ukraine.

00:02:39.340 You know, Joe Biden says we're going to give you $500 million to support your pension programs.

00:02:44.020 My Lord, the people in Palestine, these poor people, they are insulted by Team Biden.

00:02:51.380 Their property values have now just disintegrated before their eyes, not to mention they're afraid to bathe their babies in the water or even drink it.

00:03:00.480 So three cities.

00:03:01.600 It was a great idea, Steve, because it's fascinating to compare and contrast all three of them.

00:03:05.600 When you see, you know, you see the guys like Jim Jordan and they're terrific down for the Judiciary Committee, Andy Biggs.

00:03:13.940 I know, you know, well, is one of the drivers of that.

00:03:16.120 Gates is down there.

00:03:16.820 But what is it about the establishment, you know, those are the good guys, the conservatives, but the Republican Party overall and McCarthy.

00:03:25.460 You know, we had a couple of hearings, things around, but they're taking breaks all the time.

00:03:28.580 And you see that when Biden leaves Ukraine with it, with the, you know, the rom-com, he's sitting there with Zelensky.

00:03:37.380 Immediately, six more Republican House members come and talk up about it's whatever you need for however long you need it.

00:03:45.560 What is the disconnect?

00:03:46.880 I didn't see a lot of Republicans before Trump really heading out to East Palestine.

00:03:51.900 I mean, actually, the local congressman was on Fox the first couple of days and he was, he was, he thanked the Biden administration for what they were doing.

00:04:00.640 Where, where's the Republican Party in actually getting down investigations, solutions?

00:04:07.500 I mean, right now people are on a, on the knife's edge about this stuff.

00:04:11.620 And it doesn't seem like the establishment Republicans or even the great victory we got in 2024 is changing things quickly enough, sir.

00:04:19.700 You know, it, it amazes me because it seems to be, to be common sense.

00:04:24.520 If you're a member of Congress, you represent everyone in the country.

00:04:27.360 Certainly you have your district, but you're making decisions for everyone.

00:04:30.540 Why wouldn't you, if you want to go visit and make a difference, go visit someplace else that may be not in your state.

00:04:36.460 So I think it comes down to this, Steve.

00:04:38.340 Who are you beholden to?

00:04:39.720 Are you beholden to the people of the United States that need real leadership in Washington?

00:04:44.560 Or are you beholden to business and industry?

00:04:46.980 So in the name of immigration, Republicans have been a big problem with this going way back.

00:04:52.560 I mean, you go all the way through administration after administration with Republicans.

00:04:56.260 They were chamber of commerce Republicans that actually promoted the idea of illegal immigration.

00:05:01.860 And only recently do we see some real strong conservatives coming out against it.

00:05:05.760 And then in the name of the war, who are you beholden to?

00:05:08.200 I believe it's the military industrial complex.

00:05:10.640 These people, they take campaign money from them, and they know that it is big business and big money when they're waging wars overseas like this.

00:05:19.240 You take any message from President Trump, end endless wars.

00:05:24.460 This Ukraine war, what was Joe Biden's comment?

00:05:27.020 He says, we will be here till it ends, till as long as you need.

00:05:31.240 Well, the American people are not okay with that.

00:05:33.640 We're slowly, slowly losing faith that we should even be over there, much less over there for as long as it needs.

00:05:43.500 Janet Yellen just announced yesterday on Friday $10 billion of economic aid, a new package of $10 billion just for economic aid to pay the salaries of their government going forward. 0.95

00:05:55.980 In addition, it was another $2 billion package, different than the $500 million of Biden on weapons and arms.

00:06:04.340 You've seen the CBO report, Grant, where we're going to add $19 trillion to the national debt in the next 10 years on the plan that you and I know is already too optimistic because the inflation numbers came out Friday and blew through whatever his expectation is.

00:06:21.780 What doesn't, is the ruling class just so entrenched with the corporate interests and the Wall Street interests that they don't even care anymore what people think about this?

00:06:31.680 They're just going to be up in your grill every day with something?

00:06:35.560 Yeah, I think they're banking on the fact that most Americans are uninformed of what's going on.

00:06:40.160 Clearly not the people watching War Room, not the people watching Real America's Voice, but most Americans are completely unaware.

00:06:46.120 So they bank themselves on that.

00:06:47.960 This nation, Steve, is totally busted.

00:06:50.320 We are broke.

00:06:52.000 Now, imagine if we're a business.

00:06:53.860 We have revenue coming in.

00:06:55.600 We got lots of revenue coming in.

00:06:57.240 If you were a business and you had the amount of cash flow that we have coming into this nation, how we cannot get it under control is beyond me.

00:07:05.460 But the reason we can't is because in Washington, as you well know, Steve, the power comes with the purse strings.

00:07:11.540 The power comes with the money.

00:07:12.800 So the more money they spend in Washington, the more power the people have that are doling it out.

00:07:17.820 The American people need to realize this, that at some point it's got to give.

00:07:22.460 The balloon has to burst.

00:07:24.200 I mean, just look at Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

00:07:27.060 I know Republicans don't want to talk about this.

00:07:29.260 And they were so adamant that, oh, we're not going to do anything to Social Security.

00:07:32.700 Well, I'm here to tell you, we better do something.

00:07:35.580 I don't want to end it.

00:07:36.900 I want to save it.

00:07:37.920 Now, whether that's private accounts or whatever it may be, but we've got to talk about these things.

00:07:42.240 The problem is, and you would know better than me, I know it's political suicide to even talk about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

00:07:50.020 But if we don't talk about it, forget about my son.

00:07:53.060 I turned 54 today, Steve.

00:07:55.480 By the time I'm 65, it's not going to be there for me.

00:08:00.920 What on this insolvency, are you expecting, what do you anticipate?

00:08:05.240 Because I'm hearing now, you know, one of the things was the debt limit, the debt ceiling.

00:08:08.860 We're saying this is the leverage point.

00:08:10.220 You've got to hammer this.

00:08:11.840 The MAGA is the head of the creditors committee.

00:08:13.940 We're essentially bankrupt.

00:08:15.000 But, you know, we're kind of in receivership.

00:08:18.380 But I'm hearing word out of Washington that the Republican House doesn't want to saddle the 24 nominee with any tough spending cuts.

00:08:27.060 Because I think you've got to cut $100 billion in defense spending and $100 billion in social spending in this year with this appropriations bill.

00:08:34.780 What are you hearing?

00:08:35.980 And do you expect this to be anything more than performative?

00:08:38.600 Do you think that Republicans are really going to come in with the type of big cuts we need, the systemic cuts we need, not waste, fraud, and abuse?

00:08:46.720 But I mean systemic cuts to big programs, including defense, that we need to start a down payment on getting the House in order here?

00:08:55.280 You know, you say not waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:08:58.480 But the Department of Defense is probably the biggest agency when it comes to waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:09:05.200 And I think you could cut literally billions of dollars out of that budget if we got to the bottom of that.

00:09:10.540 And needless spending.

00:09:11.720 I'd like to get back to the point where we're coming up with a budget every year, not depending on what we spent last year, but what we need this year.

00:09:20.040 And I want to have it proven to me every year by those agency and department heads what they need and prove it to me, not just a standard 5%, 10% increase in your budget.

00:09:29.920 So it does come down to politics, though.

00:09:31.600 I'm not convinced that Republicans in Washington are going to be strong enough to stand firm.

00:09:36.440 I'm a hardliner, Steve.

00:09:37.660 You know me.

00:09:38.480 I say no raising the debt ceiling.

00:09:40.980 You know, some Republicans say, all right, no raising the debt ceiling unless we get cuts.

00:09:46.300 Forget that.

00:09:47.200 If it was me, I'm saying I'm not raising it at all.

00:09:50.080 You know what?

00:09:50.660 We've got to get this under control.

00:09:52.600 There's no reason to raise it.

00:09:54.340 We have plenty of money.

00:09:55.460 We don't need to raise this.

00:09:56.840 Get spending under control.

00:09:57.980 What Grant's talking about is the prioritization of payments.

00:10:02.820 There's plenty of cash coming in.

00:10:03.920 There'll be about $5 trillion of cash coming in.

00:10:06.540 The whole thing is we're going to pay the interest on the debt.

00:10:08.560 You'll pay any face amount that comes due.

00:10:10.560 So you'll take care of all the legal obligations that we have to to make sure the credit rating doesn't go.

00:10:16.280 Then you play Medicare and Social Security.

00:10:18.540 And then the cash you've got to have on these discretionary programs is like anything else.

00:10:22.620 You've got to see what you've got money to pay for.

00:10:24.440 And people are going to go crazy.

00:10:25.320 But that's the hardliner.

00:10:26.580 That's the only way we get it out of control is that coupled with major cuts, systemic cuts, program cuts coming in this appropriations process.

00:10:37.660 Let me just pivot, Grant, to the politics of it all.

00:10:40.800 Before Trump went to East Palestine, nothing was happening there.

00:10:48.420 Just his announcement was the forcing function for the Biden regime.

00:10:51.680 Walk me through your assessment of Trump's trip.

00:10:53.320 Well, I think, look, I sent a note to the Trump team, as many of my friends did.

00:10:59.440 I think it was Thursday of last week.

00:11:00.820 I said, get President Trump to Ohio.

00:11:03.420 I said, and have him bring his former EPA chief with him if he can.

00:11:07.340 This was needed.

00:11:08.660 And lo and behold, look what happened.

00:11:10.720 The federal government all of a sudden starts moving and getting some aid there.

00:11:15.660 You got Pete Buttigieg, though his trip was an absolute disaster.

00:11:18.380 It was like Dukakis-like with his stupid outfit that he was wearing.

00:11:22.100 But it gets action.

00:11:24.560 Right?

00:11:25.100 I mean, you see him.

00:11:25.880 He looked like either one of the village people are dressing up for Halloween with the stupid safety vest in a helmet.

00:11:30.500 Oh, that looks like a future president, doesn't it, Grant?

00:11:38.280 That's a future president I saw right there with – I call him what me worry.

00:11:43.440 Alfred E. – what Alfred E. Buttigieg.

00:11:46.120 Dude, that outfit he had on was unbelievable.

00:11:49.680 The village people at Halloween.

00:11:52.480 Incredible.

00:11:52.920 Did you see the response, though, for President Trump?

00:11:56.040 I mean, I played some clips on the Real America's Voice show the other night of people going crazy for President Trump.

00:12:02.100 So you wonder why Joe Biden is going to East Palestine.

00:12:05.140 Steve, he will get booed if he goes to East Palestine. 0.94

00:12:08.840 President Biden will.

00:12:10.600 And there's no way that he can go there now.

00:12:13.300 He will get heckled.

00:12:14.420 I say they would throw eggs at him, but eggs are too expensive to be throwing at him right now.

00:12:18.520 Probably throw, you know, who knows what, horse manure.

00:12:20.580 Grant, how do you see this primary shaping up?

00:12:26.800 I mean, President Trump, I think, laid a marker down in East Palestine that he's still the voice of MAGA.

00:12:32.260 He's the leader of MAGA.

00:12:33.560 I can't imagine even another candidate going out there.

00:12:36.900 It would seem so phony.

00:12:38.020 What's your assessment right now – we've got a minute or two – of where we stand in this – as everybody – we're starting to kick off the 24 race.

00:12:44.820 Well, there was something to be said when you watched President Trump's motorcade go through there.

00:12:49.460 It looked presidential again.

00:12:50.780 I mean, people yelling and screaming.

00:12:52.620 No one is going to be able to capture that kind of feeling because he's done it and he was the man.

00:12:57.820 So I've talked to a lot of pollsters, and all the pollsters agree, Steve, and I'm sure you've done this on the show as well,

00:13:02.840 that the more people in this primary race running against President Trump, the better President Trump does.

00:13:09.920 I've seen when you include everybody in this race, President Trump's over 50 percent with the votes,

00:13:16.500 and so they'll split each other up.

00:13:17.960 President Trump does really well.

00:13:19.680 Head-to-head, it becomes a little different of a story.

00:13:21.820 It's going to be tough.

00:13:22.540 It was just Trump and DeSantis.

00:13:24.480 I get it's going to be a little tougher, but in the end, I think President Trump still wins this.

00:13:28.300 What the mainstream media forgets to acknowledge is what I call flyover country.

00:13:33.720 I'm broadcasting to you from Dallas, Texas.

00:13:36.020 You get 30 miles outside of this city, or you go 40 or 50 miles north of Houston,

00:13:40.940 or you go up into Oklahoma or Nebraska.

00:13:44.040 This is Trump country.

00:13:45.480 The media can say all they want about, oh, President Trump is losing his luster with Republicans.

00:13:50.760 Give me a break.

00:13:51.360 They've never been to these little towns.

00:13:53.540 We saw it in Ohio.

00:13:54.740 He's not losing any luster with anybody except maybe the donor class that were never Trumpers to begin with.

00:14:04.840 Grant, how did everybody get to your content?

00:14:07.080 I want to know all your coordinates and how they get to the show.

00:14:11.300 All right.

00:14:11.720 So Stinchfield 1776 on just about every social media outlet.

00:14:17.220 And, of course, right here on Real America's Voice, we go every night, 7 p.m. Eastern time here.

00:14:22.080 And I've got a great podcast, and I hope everybody please subscribe to it.

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00:14:30.580 Give that a subscribe.

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00:14:32.480 But as you know, Steve, be careful who you follow.

00:14:34.700 I'm okay to follow.

00:14:36.140 I promise you that.

00:14:38.820 Grant, thanks for doing this on your birthday.

00:14:40.580 Happy birthday.

00:14:41.420 Thanks to you for doing this.

00:14:42.920 We'll be right back in a moment.

00:14:44.940 Thank you.

00:14:45.240 Grant, thank you so much.

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00:15:01.060 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:15:07.320 Okay, welcome back.

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00:15:50.400 The tale of three cities, as we talk about particularly this war that's going on, I want to bring in

00:15:55.060 Karen Siegmund and, of course, our own Ben Harnwell from Rome.

00:15:58.000 Karen, talk about your group.

00:16:00.160 What have you been working on for the last couple of years?

00:16:02.100 And I wanted your perspective because given your connections all throughout Europe with

00:16:07.020 the sovereignty movement and the patriots and, of course, folks here, I think you're probably

00:16:11.360 one of the best people to kind of give us an overview of where you think everybody stands.

00:16:15.200 Walk through the group and how are you dialed in to these different patriot and sovereignty

00:16:19.560 groups throughout the world?

00:16:20.540 Well, thank you.

00:16:22.500 And thank you for having me.

00:16:24.120 This is such an incredibly crucial topic.

00:16:26.520 I mean, we are talking about World War after all.

00:16:29.960 American Freedom Alliance, the organization of which I am, the president, has focused on

00:16:35.100 preserving Western civilization, Judeo-Christian values, all those fundamental tenets that have

00:16:40.660 given us the most prosperity, freedom of anywhere throughout the world, throughout history.

00:16:46.700 We protect against threats.

00:16:50.540 That set of threats at one time was a whole host of things.

00:16:55.060 And now what we're focusing specifically on are the threats from globalists, from those

00:17:01.720 supporting globalists, and essentially any organization or entity that is combating those

00:17:10.380 fundamental precepts.

00:17:11.760 And the American Freedom Alliance, we had a conference several years ago on the left long

00:17:16.680 marched through the institutions.

00:17:17.980 It was an extraordinary conference.

00:17:20.740 We went through sector by sector, how they've infiltrated and how this is the Marxist revolution

00:17:25.800 by other means.

00:17:27.340 And now we're sort of reframing it.

00:17:29.160 Yes, it's, of course, the leftist revolution, but it's globalist revolution on the back of all

00:17:35.140 of this.

00:17:36.000 So we hold conferences to that end.

00:17:39.020 You mentioned I was just in Europe.

00:17:42.300 I communicate a lot with other freedom fighters.

00:17:46.260 And what I found in my travels was speaking with the sovereignists elsewhere, the threats 0.93

00:17:54.220 are exactly the same.

00:17:55.780 The dangers that they're feeling and fighting against are exactly the same.

00:18:02.960 Illegal or legal, depending.

00:18:05.020 Immigration, whichever way you want to look at immigration, it's by people aimed to destabilize. 1.00

00:18:11.320 They don't have our values.

00:18:12.820 And it's a destabilizing force.

00:18:17.740 Destroying education.

00:18:18.320 We're at the mercy of various powers as far as energy goes, food supply, energy supply,

00:18:25.320 freedom of speech, freedom of the press.

00:18:28.420 Any sector that's important to us is under attack.

00:18:33.740 I'll also name China and, of course, the Chinese Communist Party.

00:18:37.460 And I will include World Economic Forum and other globalist organizations.

00:18:41.000 So the threats that we feel are putting us in the greatest danger, these other sovereignists

00:18:49.700 are feeling exactly the same way.

00:18:52.100 And as you know, and as I know, the reason we're all sovereignists is because having sovereign

00:18:57.720 nations is the best will work against these forces.

00:19:02.200 So we all, you know, everywhere I went, we talk here about, oh, we're, you know, like-minded

00:19:06.880 and we think that it's conservatives, MAGA conservatives.

00:19:09.760 But there were a lot of people with that exact same sentiment.

00:19:13.600 I was in the Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Switzerland.

00:19:17.360 And that's just, you know, the beginning.

00:19:20.180 And every conversation was, we just, we felt like such kindred spirits.

00:19:24.760 And by the way, Steve, everyone I spoke to just loves War Room and is a real follower of

00:19:33.440 Stephen K. Bannon.

00:19:36.880 Wow, that's good.

00:19:39.140 Define for the audience, before I get Harnwell in here, define for the audience, what is sovereignty?

00:19:44.660 And when you say they're sovereigntists, we call people here populist, nationalist,

00:19:48.120 or whatever, we sometimes use sovereignty, sovereignty for the nation.

00:19:51.500 When you say this movement's a sovereigntist movement, this is what they talk about in Europe.

00:19:56.160 What would be your definition of that?

00:19:57.720 That you feel you have the right to government of the people, by the people, for the people in service of your country.

00:20:08.100 So, against globalist forces and against forces that prefer globalist forces over the national interest of your own country.

00:20:19.660 And I would say right here, right now, what we are seeing is our very own government absolutely does not have our national interest at heart.

00:20:28.980 We see it at every single possible decision that they make from Ohio versus Ukraine, from Yuma, as you were talking about, versus Ukraine.

00:20:38.660 And there's much more dedication to globalist ideals than to American ones and to protecting others over protecting ourselves.

00:20:48.660 And it all, you know, really, it all kind of makes sense when you realize that they're playing for the other side.

00:20:56.060 Our government is playing for the other side.

00:20:57.900 So, to me, sovereignty means you have the right to self-govern it without interference by globalist players.

00:21:08.660 Ben, let me bring you in here because, Ben, this ties right into the project we've been working on for many years and that the EU, this world war was started really back in 14 by the powers of the anti-sovereigntyists, really the EU that wanted to expand and use Ukraine as an expansionist.

00:21:29.320 I mean, these are anti – this is an anti-sovereignty body, right?

00:21:34.220 And yet they're really one of the instigators of the – and we're not saying – we're not justifying Putin's invasion, you know, a year ago.

00:21:44.820 But this is the project we've worked on, right, about the sovereignty of these individual nations, the sovereignty of these individual people, whether it's in the United States or whether it's in Hungary, Poland, the Netherlands, or Great Britain with Brexit.

00:21:58.380 And this gets – this EU, this gets down to really the basis of what you call our sociopathic overlords that have been driving this war, sir.

00:22:06.180 Yeah. Can I add to what Karen was saying?

00:22:13.800 Which is absolutely correct what she was saying.

00:22:16.680 I would only add to it that sovereignty, the nationalist movement.

00:22:24.260 At its most elemental, it's about a people's right to determine for itself its own destiny.

00:22:31.400 Basically, principally, it's that – it's that whatever people you're talking about, whether you're talking about the Italians, the Brits, the Americans, the Ukrainians and the Russians, the Taiwanese, the Chinese, they get as a people.

00:22:49.220 They have this right, which really exists when the right of the individual, when that individual comes together and forms a society, that right to determine, to be a protagonist in one's own destiny.

00:23:05.720 And that is something that people really never – it's a quirk.

00:23:11.020 It's empirically observable that people don't appreciate that right when they have it.

00:23:19.560 It's one of the great ironies of human history.

00:23:22.580 They appreciate it and they value it when they don't have it.

00:23:26.060 And the more they don't have it, the more they yearn for it.

00:23:29.240 And that's why revolutions happen fundamentally.

00:23:32.820 It's because people have been – they have been stripped of their dignity to decide and determine for themselves.

00:23:41.020 Their own destiny.

00:23:42.120 And as individuals feel that, societies, cultures and peoples feel that.

00:23:47.960 It's one of the most strongest forces in human history at the cultural level.

00:23:52.280 And that's why I absolutely applaud what Karen was saying when she started off her remarks talking about the Judeo-Christian basis of the West or Christendom or call it what you will.

00:24:06.600 And the European Union is a project which strips from its member states, literally strips from member states, that right to determine their own destiny.

00:24:19.840 Because it puts at a European level, a European law, which overrides national law.

00:24:27.840 Let's say people in their own parliaments cannot determine the laws that will govern themselves because the European Union has law which overrides that.

00:24:38.520 And the European Union fundamentally is not a democratic institution.

00:24:42.080 That's why Poland right now is being fined a million euros a day because it is insisting. 0.95

00:24:51.000 And I have to say – I have to say incorrectly, but I absolutely applaud it, what were they – it's doomed to fail because this is exactly the project that they signed up for when they signed the European treaties.

00:25:06.740 They say member states literally sign away their sovereignty to join and be a member of the European Union.

00:25:13.920 But Poland is being fined a million euros a day because it insists that its law is sovereign over European law.

00:25:22.580 This fundamentally, Steve, this is such an important emotional characteristic when it comes to politics.

00:25:32.520 This is fundamentally the reason, I would say above and beyond any other reason, that the Brits voted to leave the European Union.

00:25:40.260 Because we had this 1,000-year-long progression of parliamentary democracy.

00:25:47.920 And whether you're a political theorist or not, people in Great Britain realised at an elemental level that there was no power that could overwrite law that parliament had created.

00:26:01.940 And that the monarch could sign, the king in parliament is the expression, or as we used to say, the queen in parliament.

00:26:08.500 The king in parliament is sovereign in Great Britain.

00:26:11.920 It's not the constitution.

00:26:13.560 It's not the people.

00:26:14.720 It's the king in parliament is sovereign.

00:26:16.860 And there was no authority that could override that.

00:26:19.280 And the British people had never voted.

00:26:21.340 They never said that they wanted to be a member of a supranational European entity that could override our laws.

00:26:29.300 Because we thought, rightly or wrongly, I think rightly, that our laws were good enough by themselves.

00:26:36.800 Ben, hang on for one second.

00:26:38.340 I've got Ben Harnwell in Rome.

00:26:40.100 Karen Siegman, who is president of AFA, American Freedom Alliance.

00:26:44.800 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:26:46.260 We're going to come back in the first day of the kinetic experience of the Third World War.

00:26:51.380 We will fight till they're all gone.

00:26:54.080 We rejoice when there's no more.

00:26:56.020 Let's take down the CCP.

00:26:59.840 War Room.

00:27:01.120 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:27:03.180 Ben.

00:27:06.500 Welcome back.

00:27:07.680 Karen, what is your trips around Europe?

00:27:12.420 What is from the Sovereignist movement?

00:27:14.800 Because we're starting to see the polling show that 40 or 45 percent of the European people are saying, hey, I don't know about continuing on this Ukraine situation, particularly if we have to start really paying for it, not just with energy dislocations, but also with higher taxes or loss of services, etc.

00:27:32.820 What was your take as you go around and talk to the Sovereignist movement in Europe?

00:27:37.460 Obviously, anybody in Europe feels this much more acutely than we do.

00:27:44.880 It's not really theoretical so much.

00:27:47.420 It's in their backyard, and they are part of NATO, and there's a whole lot of consequences of that.

00:27:55.780 Generally speaking, the people I talk to feel that Russia, of course, this is a bad thing that happened.

00:28:05.520 Russia can't be allowed to do this.

00:28:07.780 On the other hand, it's not all of our responsibility to foot the bill for absolutely everything that's going on.

00:28:15.440 If we're going to talk about self-determination, which I love that Ben brought that up.

00:28:20.180 That's crucial.

00:28:21.720 Ukraine has to be part of that, had to have been part of that.

00:28:24.860 And the risk feels much, much greater there.

00:28:30.720 But honestly, everyone still looks to the United States to be footing the bill.

00:28:36.700 And at a certain point, we can't, nor can they look to us to continue to do that.

00:28:42.280 So people need to be brought to the table.

00:28:45.040 Stakes need to be made higher.

00:28:47.420 I'm a strong believer in peace through strength.

00:28:49.860 We have demonstrated nothing but weakness, as has Europe. 0.55

00:28:54.520 So Europe helped bring this on and needs to be part of the solution.

00:29:02.520 Ben, that's the point.

00:29:03.920 Let's get to the EU and this whole issue with NATO.

00:29:07.200 I mean, Trump's whole thing with NATO is that you guys committed in 2014 to start paying 2% of your GDP.

00:29:13.580 Nobody really does it.

00:29:14.540 The Poles get the closest, but, you know, the Germans, and then when you really look at what they're spending it on, a lot of it's climate change. 0.90

00:29:21.540 It's women's health services or it's health services for the military. 1.00

00:29:26.200 It's not really equipment, interoperability, you know, joint exercises, the types of things you need to use as an alliance.

00:29:35.200 Do the Europeans, are they comfortable being essentially a national security vassal state? 0.70

00:29:40.800 Because it's not an alliance, it's a protectorate, yet you have this very aggressive EU element, the non-military part that continues to push and has continued to push Ukraine into membership, which the Russians have kind of said from the beginning, that's in our zone of security.

00:29:58.560 And it looks like you're moving, you know, too much.

00:30:00.800 It looks like it would be the Chinese cutting a military deal with Mexico.

00:30:05.020 Ben Harnwell.

00:30:05.540 Yes, Steve, to answer your question, we in Europe are more than happy with being a protectorate of the United States, and you're very generous consistently with allowing us to indulge in vast social welfare programs in our budget and underfunding on our own defense, because we know that the United States will be there.

00:30:28.800 And, you know, and the reason we think that is because you guys constantly tell it to us, apart from that small blip that was the Trump administration.

00:30:39.280 This is the mood music.

00:30:41.900 One of the reasons that this is the case is because the United States isn't really any more a revolutionary power or a revolutionary republic.

00:30:53.620 It's basically a military industrial complex.

00:30:57.160 That is what it is primarily with three million, 300 million Americans as a taxpaying base to keep that operation going.

00:31:08.720 So you have on the one hand, this imperial militaristic power that wants to spend money to increase what it calls its own influence around the world.

00:31:19.720 And we have, in Europe, a vassal mentality, and we're only too happy for Americans to pay for us.

00:31:28.400 So it's a perfect relationship.

00:31:32.800 What does this mean as far as, you know, the CNBC?

00:31:36.040 Because one of the things you talk about, the sociopathic overlords, you've mentioned that they really want to feast on not just the destruction part, but more importantly, the rebuilding part.

00:31:46.160 Walk me through that.

00:31:47.160 Yeah, this is something I have concentrated my beady-eyed cynicism on, Steve, right from the beginning.

00:31:59.120 Having said that this war was only a pretext.

00:32:04.720 First was the necessary leveling of Ukraine.

00:32:08.580 But there's only so much money you can spend to destroy a country.

00:32:12.340 The real grift starts on the rebuilding.

00:32:17.080 And you pushed out on your, at Steve Bannon, on your getter feed, your superb getter feed, this story from CNBC, which is basically talking about the rebuilding of the reconstruction of Ukraine.

00:32:32.600 And I have two excerpts, which I'm going to read.

00:32:37.640 And my beady eyes were flickering like a snake when I read this.

00:32:44.840 Because here it goes.

00:32:45.800 So here's the first excerpt.

00:32:47.080 A recent estimate from the Kiev School of Economics put the total damage to Ukrainian infrastructure at $138 billion, while Zelensky has estimated that rebuilding the country could end up costing more than $1 trillion.

00:33:03.560 Now, I like that.

00:33:05.620 You know, you've got to applaud a guy with Hutzpah, right?

00:33:10.680 Because his own school of economics comes up with a figure of $138 billion.

00:33:17.620 That's a Zelensky markup.

00:33:20.840 That is the 10% Ski Magic, Steve.

00:33:24.760 That is the 10% Ski Magic, because he takes the input of $138 billion, and he magnifies it by six or seven times.

00:33:34.520 Why?

00:33:35.300 Because all of this money that the global taxpayers were primarily Americans, and I take my hat off to you because you guys are so generous in the rest of the world.

00:33:46.720 Very generous in the rest of the world with your tax dollars, right?

00:33:51.500 All of this money, as the war room has said for over a year now, all of this money on reinvesting this country is going to be spent via the presidential office.

00:34:01.880 Which basically means President Tempersensky himself and all of his oligarch friends are going to be creaming off all of 10%, if not more, of all the money that you guys are pouring into the rebuilding of Ukraine, to the neglect of your own country.

00:34:22.780 Here's another excerpt.

00:34:25.660 Now, I will close this point with this quote.

00:34:30.040 Let me just pull it up here.

00:34:31.040 Deputy Prime Minister Yulia Svidvedenko told Politico during an interview that the Reconstruction should start this year, despite there being no immediate end to the conflict in sight.

00:34:48.240 It's going to be the biggest Reconstruction since World War II, she said.

00:34:53.240 We need to start now.

00:34:54.540 So here are the Ukrainians, and they've been given the green light for this by the Biden regime.

00:35:02.580 They now want to start rebuilding a country that is still in the midst of a war, that's still going to be pummeled until they get to the negotiating table.

00:35:12.840 And why will they do this?

00:35:14.960 Because you guys are paying for it, and the Ukrainian oligarchs are going to be creaming off their percentage, even if what they're rebuilding is going to be reduced to rubble.

00:35:27.680 It's ridiculous.

00:35:28.540 But the Biden regime enables this.

00:35:36.420 Before we go back to Karen, you've seen this, and I'm going to drill back more on this in the second hour.

00:35:41.000 The hesitancy, the split in Italy between Berlusconi and Salvini and even Maloney, and yet she goes to Ukraine, but she demands a photo op where she's the only head of state that's sitting there getting a stink eye across the table.

00:35:55.920 Are Europeans, and particularly the sovereigns, because she's supposed to be from the far right in the sovereignty movement, are they starting to see that this is untenable?

00:36:05.840 And you don't need to be an ally of Russia, you don't need to love the KGB, you don't need to love Putin, but this entire model right now is not sustainable.

00:36:14.720 Eventually, the Americans are going to stop paying for this, and I believe they're going to stop paying for it immediately.

00:36:19.760 And that's going to be left to the nations of Europe.

00:36:23.560 Are people – is that starting to get down to at least the local politician level?

00:36:28.600 It is starting to enter the debate, at least in Italy.

00:36:32.980 And the principal reason for this is that Silvio Berlusconi, who's in the – he's the third – he leads the third party, the smallest party now in the coalition government.

00:36:44.480 This guy was three times prime minister himself over the last 20 or so years.

00:36:50.080 He, whilst he was prime minister, was a strong ally of President Putin and Russia and always maintained a strong personal relationship.

00:37:00.940 So he is the only politician of prime ministerial rank in the European Union today who is saying explicitly and openly and unambiguously that Italy should not be supporting Zelensky,

00:37:20.840 because Zelensky started this war through his constant bombing of the ethnic Russians in the Donbass from 2014 onwards.

00:37:31.260 He's the only person saying this.

00:37:33.780 Now, I've done the research on this.

00:37:36.080 The New York Times was writing about – this is pre-Zelensky – but about Ukraine's bombardment of the Donbass as early as 2014 and 2015.

00:37:48.500 This has all been memory hold, all of it, right?

00:37:52.560 All of the trigger points, all of the constant poking the bear has all been memory hold.

00:37:59.900 The only person who is talking about this and not backing down, he's digging in.

00:38:05.060 In fact, he – this is pure Trump.

00:38:07.780 When he's attacked, he's doubling down.

00:38:10.480 The only person who's doing this is Silvio Berlusconi because he's, what, 86?

00:38:14.240 He doesn't care now.

00:38:16.100 He doesn't – I don't think he has ambitions to be prime minister again.

00:38:20.420 So, you know, he's a billionaire.

00:38:22.780 He can say what he thinks.

00:38:24.880 And he is doing.

00:38:26.200 And that is moving the needle in Italy.

00:38:29.380 Why?

00:38:30.100 Because Giorgia Maloney is prime minister today.

00:38:35.660 She's only about 30% in the polls. 0.99

00:38:37.880 Huge sway of the public opinion, positive opinion behind her.

00:38:43.060 But the people who voted for this coalition are, by and large, the people who are least happy because they're soventists. 1.00

00:38:51.360 They're at least happy to see this country's material condition hit the skids because we're supporting a country around which is not a military ally, as you correctly say, around which our actual ally, Italy's actual ally, would more likely, more authentically be considered to be Russia rather than Ukraine.

00:39:17.620 So this is the influence of one person, Berlusconi, who is moving the needle, but he's coming under a lot of attack in the Italian press for this.

00:39:27.980 Just hang on, Ben.

00:39:29.180 You're going to hang with me through the end of the hour.

00:39:31.360 Karen, I know you've got to bounce.

00:39:33.660 AFA, I think you're going to have a spring conference.

00:39:36.040 Can you give our audience where they go to find out more about it, where they find out about your conference and about all the great work you're doing?

00:39:41.800 We are. Thank you.

00:39:43.920 Tremendous conference entitled, in fact, World War III, the early years.

00:39:48.460 And here we are.

00:39:49.900 We're going to be covering the globalists, of course, Chinese Communist Party, of course, the infiltration of the United States by both of those entities. 0.54

00:40:00.380 And you can find more information at AmericanFreedomAlliance.org.

00:40:04.560 We're on Getter, American Freedom Alliance.

00:40:08.020 Find us there.

00:40:09.220 You can find our videos on YouTube at American Freedom Alliance and more recently on Rumble, of course, where they're not booting us off for speaking the truth.

00:40:23.020 And as far as what's going on in Ukraine, I just want to say one of the fault lines, of course, is globalists versus nationalists.

00:40:29.300 But the other fault line is, of course, no more endless wars and those who are absolutely all in for endless wars.

00:40:42.020 And that's the first thing.

00:40:43.540 Perfect.

00:40:45.080 Karen's going to join us at CPAC. 0.99

00:40:46.760 So you're going to see her live.

00:40:47.740 She's going to be in studio with us.

00:40:49.540 So check out Karen next week. 1.00

00:40:51.280 Karen, thank you very much.

00:40:52.400 Ben, hang on.

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00:41:41.760 Karen's going to join us. 1.00

00:41:42.640 Of course, Frank Gaffney is going to be the centerpiece of so much we're doing, the Committee on the Present Danger.

00:41:46.960 Frank, give me your – you've been at this a long time.

00:41:50.320 We call this the World War III, the early years of the kinetic part of it.

00:41:56.080 Walk us and pull the camera back and walk us through right now geopolitically where the United States of America is, sir.

00:42:02.400 Well, let me just set the stage.

00:42:06.380 You know, we've been talking a lot about endless wars.

00:42:09.040 We've had a succession of them.

00:42:10.440 I would argue going back to, well, Korea, perhaps certainly Vietnam, and then more recently Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:42:18.940 These have been wars that we've fought, Steve, as you know, against non-peer adversaries who did not have the capability to defeat us decisively on the battlefield,

00:42:30.580 and we did not have the will to defeat them decisively, and they just dragged on in various ways to varying degrees at terrible expense to lives of our personnel and national treasure.

00:42:44.060 What we're in now, and it is the opening stages, I believe, of World War III, is a totally different deal.

00:42:52.520 And whether it is an adversary that is a peer in a number of respects, actually probably more capable than we, with respect to nuclear weapons, namely Russia,

00:43:06.480 which is now embroiled in a hot war that it started, I believe, in Ukraine, and is every sign of continuing for the next few years, if it can.

00:43:17.280 And then there's, of course, the looming war, second front, if you will, with China. 0.71

00:43:25.160 Certainly a peer adversary, one that arguably is superior in a number of important respects, both nuclear and in terms of hypersonic missiles,

00:43:35.300 in terms of ships, combat vessels now at sea, and more coming, aircraft and a host of exotic technologies.

00:43:45.440 These are nations that I believe are intent on destroying our country, and that's a very different thing.

00:43:55.380 It's not going to be a voluntary conflict. It's not going to be an open-ended one, I fear.

00:44:01.340 It may well be one in which we are decisively defeated, which means two things.

00:44:05.280 One, we have got to be about the business of preparing ourselves, getting this country on a war footing,

00:44:12.900 much as China is at the moment. We're not doing that.

00:44:16.960 It's one of the things we're recommending in the indictment, is an urgent priority.

00:44:22.020 The other thing is, I think that we've got to be clear that we must do everything possible to deter that second front from opening up.

00:44:32.980 If we continue doing what we're doing now, I think it almost certainly invites Chinese aggression, and not just against Taiwan, by the way.

00:44:42.700 I think it will be against, well, other allies of ours in the region, and probably against our assets and personnel,

00:44:50.160 and maybe even our territory there, and perhaps closer to home.

00:44:53.500 So this is a different deal than anything we've faced since World War II, and we're in it.

00:44:59.940 I want to get into all of this.

00:45:02.960 I want to go back.

00:45:04.400 In your time in the Pentagon, because I think context is very important here for the American people.

00:45:08.760 You just said something I have not heard on any show, that we run the risk of being decisively defeated,

00:45:15.120 defeated, not like a Vietnam, where it's a political decision to pull out, not like Afghanistan or Iraq,

00:45:20.860 where the reason we're beaten militarily is we just didn't have the will to see it through.

00:45:25.280 So we make some political decision over time and pull out.

00:45:28.540 You're saying decisively defeated.

00:45:31.220 What I want to do is go back and remind people, when you were in the Pentagon,

00:45:34.180 and when I was in the 7th Fleet, the Pacific Fleet, and then went back to the Pentagon,

00:45:38.460 our concept there was two and a half wars.

00:45:41.480 There was a concept through the whole Cold War that we would be prepared,

00:45:44.900 industrial-based, militarily, that we could fight.

00:45:47.840 You could take on Russia, the Soviet Union at the time.

00:45:50.700 You could take on the Chinese Communist Party, Mao Zedong in China.

00:45:54.220 And you could still have enough if you needed to fight a Vietnam or somewhere in the Middle East. 0.89

00:45:59.580 Walk us through that.

00:46:00.780 We've got three minutes from me.

00:46:01.860 Walk us through what the two and a half war concept was and how far off of that we are today.

00:46:07.760 Well, what it was, at the end of the day, Steve, was it was a philosophy of deterrence.

00:46:14.960 If we had that kind of capability, nobody was going to mess with us.

00:46:19.020 Now, the Soviets, you know, threatened it frequently. 0.55

00:46:22.100 The Chinese actually engaged in some hostilities against us in Vietnam and Korea.

00:46:26.500 But basically, it worked.

00:46:29.100 It was peace through strength, most especially practiced by my old boss,

00:46:34.400 the man you've done so much to memorialize, Ronald Reagan.

00:46:40.460 But we've long since abandoned that posture.

00:46:45.060 We abandoned it initially to two wars and then two major contingencies

00:46:51.580 and then one contingency and one war.

00:46:56.020 And then now, if we're lucky, one contingency, probably,

00:47:01.920 by which we mean something short of a full-on war with the kinds of adversaries I've just described.

00:47:08.100 This is true of our military deployed now around the world, worn out,

00:47:13.820 and now beset by our own government in unimaginable ways.

00:47:19.220 You talked earlier, Steve, about cutting the defense budget.

00:47:21.880 You know, I understand the idea of budgetary discipline.

00:47:25.860 And yes, there's probably waste and fraud and abuse in the Pentagon,

00:47:28.640 as there is in every aspect of government.

00:47:30.620 But this is not a time, in my personal opinion, my professional judgment,

00:47:35.240 to be signaling to our enemies that we're cutting our military.

00:47:39.380 And even if we could, that's probably being done right now by the effects of inflation,

00:47:44.900 as you talked about.

00:47:46.080 We haven't budgeted for inflation.

00:47:47.540 So the military is being hollowed out, it's being purged, it's being driven to ideological extremes

00:47:54.560 with the wokest nonsense, with the vaccine passports and mandates and so on.

00:47:59.040 This is a dangerous situation because those adversaries think they can take us down decisively.

00:48:07.320 I fear they're right. 0.52

00:48:08.520 I hope I'm wrong about that.

00:48:09.800 I hope they're wrong about that.

00:48:11.240 But we're playing with fire if we persist in these policies.

00:48:15.420 And finally, I'd just say the defense industrial base that, as you say, supported that two-and-a-half-war

00:48:22.440 strategy is long gone.

00:48:25.220 It's time we get back to putting it back in place if we wish to deter needless wars, endless

00:48:32.200 and otherwise.

00:48:33.500 Frank, hang on.

00:48:35.400 We're going to take a 90-second break.

00:48:36.740 I've got Frank Gaffney.

00:48:37.740 Frank's going to be the centerpiece of a lot of what we're doing at CPAC.

00:48:40.900 We're going to talk about, can America be decisively defeated on the battleground and on the battlefield?

00:48:46.560 And what does Frank Gaffney mean about we need to get on war footing today?

00:48:51.360 Frank Gaffney.

00:48:52.300 I've got Ben Harnwell a lot in the second hour.

00:48:54.620 Stick around.

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Bannon's War Room - February 25, 2023

Episode 2545： Interference From Globalist Players

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