Bannon's War Room - Episode 264： Aggressive Inflation In Oil To Reposition The World Order⧸AI Death March

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:17.560 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

00:00:25.320 get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia

00:00:31.100 it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations

00:00:36.180 is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight

00:00:39.940 all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host

00:00:47.060 stephen k bannon think you know ron desantis think again in congress desantis voted three separate

00:00:55.680 times to cut social security that's right three times over three years worse desantis voted to cut

00:01:03.480 medicare two times desantis even voted to raise the retirement age to 70 the more you learn about

00:01:10.320 desantis the more you see he doesn't share our values he's just not ready to be president make

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00:01:19.340 i'm gonna tie that back to what is exactly happening uh today because they're after president

00:01:27.140 trump for one reason they understand what they've done to this country and what they intend to do

00:01:31.920 this country and you can see it around you every day um it doesn't really need an explanation

00:01:38.640 but right now we need the leadership that gave us four years of peace and prosperity

00:01:46.080 even if you hate the sound of donald trump's voice or the sound of his name that's just the reality

00:01:51.300 and uh and i think the best way you see what's happening in new york and we're gonna try to spend

00:01:56.160 as little time on that as possible that meaningful time uh i think i think as we've done it today so

00:02:02.560 far to really get to the heart of what's going on here uh and we will obviously have more coverage

00:02:06.900 uh throughout this hour if things break and we will have uh additional coverage obviously tomorrow

00:02:13.340 uh but between the race in um wisconsin uh tomorrow uh what's going on in the economy what's going on

00:02:22.340 with the war what's going on at the southern border it's just too much to cover and we need to prioritize

00:02:27.200 and and uh make sure that you get the signal not the noise the one thing about governor santos and and

00:02:33.240 i'll be talking more about this later in the week after that the trump event you know i i pride myself in

00:02:39.600 really watching these speeches watching what people are putting up and um you know governor

00:02:46.200 santos that that and i keep i'm not advising people but when i say i think you ought to focus on policies

00:02:52.280 and not personalities here the policies of trump and de santos could not be more different and i think

00:02:59.320 you saw this when governor de santos uh initially gave the answer on the ukraine which is the appropriate

00:03:04.680 answer and then was backed off in a second by a couple of republican establishment types

00:03:09.540 saying oh no no no no no no no no you must be in fall in line on the ukraine and immediately he fell

00:03:14.980 in line in ukraine i listened to his speech um all 55 minutes of it from uh on new york i think it was

00:03:24.120 saturday um at the at the air museum out there and there's not a lot there just not

00:03:34.680 i mean there's some interesting things on woking us there's some interesting things and you know

00:03:38.820 where woke goes i got that and that is important but in the prioritization of what we must do and by

00:03:45.580 the way i'm all for going after the corporations we like to prioritize being the leaders of that

00:03:49.520 and one of the leaders out here in the war room but um our issues and what faces us is far deeper than

00:03:56.260 just that and you have to have some kind of worldview you have to have a sense of how the world works

00:04:02.760 what are the interconnections of that world uh and where america and what america's place should be

00:04:08.860 in it you have to lay out that vision in the details that kind of uh back that up and i think

00:04:15.340 what you have is just a standard stock cookie cutter neoliberal neocon with a little libertarian

00:04:21.480 you know don't into it but we're willing to keep an open mind but we'll continue to press on this

00:04:27.720 as we go forward but right there and that is a very the social security thing is the paul ryan mindset

00:04:34.200 to how how to sort out the financial and economic problems of the country and as i said at the time

00:04:40.280 it was dead wrong then it's even more wrong now uh and he's never he's never governor de santis has

00:04:46.200 never gone and uh and disavowed that this whole privatization of social security and all that

00:04:50.620 uh anyway more than that um the we got a lot to go through in this in this hour one thing we've got

00:04:57.100 to get out is that um the financial times this morning opec members and surprise oil output cut

00:05:03.540 of more than one million barrels per day move will raise u.s saudi tensions want to bring dave walsh and

00:05:10.260 dave you've kind of warned about this and you've been very adamant that this opec plus cartel is a

00:05:17.080 quite dangerous thing and we've kind of allowed it to go on it wasn't really an issue in the trump

00:05:21.460 administration because of the full spectrum energy dominance we had but it's raised this ugly head in

00:05:27.760 the during the era of the illegitimate biden regime and uh it is this is another aspect to destroy the

00:05:36.960 u.s dollar in addition because so many of these deals are going to be done without petrodollars walk

00:05:41.560 us through you've warned us first opec is a problem we've never really confronted opec plus is a bigger

00:05:48.160 problem we've never confronted and tie that into the announcement that was kind of made uh over the

00:05:53.340 weekend and the impact as you see going forward sir well they're they're talking about uh soon enough

00:06:00.020 two million barrel a day reduction kicking off with a million barrel a day but largely the kingdom

00:06:05.320 and russia kicking in about half a million barrels each in the initial crunch of this

00:06:10.000 uh official goals cited as the world economy looks like it's softening concerns about the western

00:06:17.000 and specifically the u.s banking crisis but what their goal is is to stabilize the price of oil at

00:06:23.240 least eighty dollars a barrel as a floor they've said and and hope to get back to plus three digits

00:06:29.520 hundred hundred dollars a barrel plus you know quickly enough that's the goal and objective um so

00:06:35.180 i mean opec still wields a tremendous amount of global power and and it's growing if if you look

00:06:41.740 back at our peak production year under president trump uh november of 19 we had 13 million barrels a

00:06:47.460 day of u.s crude production even last year most of 22 we were still about 10 below that um you know

00:06:56.140 self-imposed production and exploration restrictions offshore north of alaska and the arctic which we

00:07:03.480 continue with announcements of only two weeks ago uh in in in the case of arctic oil in alaska not being

00:07:09.620 harvested uh forever based on the latest biden degree uh but we're to this day 663 000 barrels

00:07:16.600 behind where we were in the november 19 peak so we're you know we've moved in a neutral position

00:07:22.600 kind of on the bench opec has taken note of that and now you've got this strong collaboration with

00:07:28.640 india who have now doubled their contract commitments to the indian oil corp to um to the

00:07:34.860 russians through um their largest rosnev exporter uh japan has kicked in now with a commitment to

00:07:42.860 sakhalin island for crude oil um which a bit of a surprise but they were granted a stay of execution by

00:07:49.980 the um u.s nato alliance through the end of september because of their continued need for for lng from

00:07:57.620 sakhalin island which they had committed to last november the japanese a uh they receive about nine

00:08:03.600 percent of their lng from russia very diversified lng supply but but hang on but but but oh don't bury

00:08:09.720 the lead what didn't we also find out not just lng and maybe i misread this or didn't understand it

00:08:16.640 i thought we also found out they were buying other oil and natural gas products that were specifically

00:08:22.860 banned uh by the by the restrictions we put on um the the trade restrictions we put on didn't we find

00:08:29.360 that the japan japan our great ally had also been kind of side dealing on us or was that all under the

00:08:34.800 auspices of this well the the sakhalin island um uh lng contract was renewed by japan last november

00:08:42.140 which is about nine percent of their lng imports consistently um this was a byproduct of that we

00:08:49.160 we had granted a a stay through september the alliance the ukraine alliance that japan could

00:08:55.840 buy crude product from russia through the end of september so they've exercised

00:09:00.060 a 800 000 barrel commitment not in dollars through from sakhalin island in oil which a small portion

00:09:09.640 of their imports but still in in oil and not in dollars from russia so but japan does import nine

00:09:16.980 percent of its lng a significant part of its lng in russia two-thirds from australia malaysia and

00:09:21.840 qatar small small portion from the dominion coast point facility kanzai power and tokyo gas are large

00:09:28.400 uh holders of a 20-year commitment from dominion coast point but that's only six percent of their

00:09:33.940 lng importation the russian piece has been consistently 50 percent larger than that um but

00:09:40.020 now along with that for the month of september we have an oil import going on from russia japan japan's

00:09:46.820 only got nine reactors operating from the the post fukushima fukushima action involved you know the

00:09:53.000 shutdown of 52 reactors so they're desperate for for fuel for gas turbines that they've supplied

00:09:59.200 internally to supplant that power along with the fact that they built 13 gigawatts of new new clean

00:10:06.360 coal capacity in japan to displace the 40 some reactors that are still closed plans are to reopen

00:10:13.340 them but they you know they're they're sanguine and they're pragmatic about the need to continue

00:10:17.920 their industrial economy to compete with china to be competitive on a global scale and they're they're 0.98

00:10:23.820 still in in the game as far as a major industrial power that you know they talk about the uh the global

00:10:30.300 warming thing the net zero thing but the reality is they're committed as ever to compete head on head

00:10:35.880 with china economically so now you know we've we've got now people in 5 billion countries uh completely

00:10:42.680 non-committed to this net zero thing global warming thing beginning with china with india india now

00:10:48.760 doubling down on its importation in in not not in dollars in rubles and in their currency now growingly

00:10:56.200 from russia of 6 million barrels a day a month doubling now to 12 million barrels a month

00:11:02.280 uh at prices about eight to ten dollars below the global threshold right now of eighty dollars india

00:11:08.800 importing at about seventy dollars per barrel from russia i'm assuming japan's in the in about the

00:11:14.440 same area you know above the sixty dollar uh threshold but below the global price

00:11:20.280 the um the ccp is trying to lead a a counter uh movement to the american order and they're doing 0.84

00:11:31.580 it through the use of energy and to destroy the petrodollar is there any doubt in your mind

00:11:36.140 about that sir uh there's no no doubt whatsoever i mean you know they're they're funding over here

00:11:42.700 and the rhetoric they support over here through their their political donations and their pr over here

00:11:48.300 is indeed all about net zero and all about global warming abatement and all about zero carbon et

00:11:53.660 cetera in reality they're they're not practicing this in their country they're amping up unnecessary oil

00:12:00.540 imports they they import about nine million barrels a day they produce only four million barrels

00:12:06.060 locally they desperately need the 14 to 15 million barrels to feed their industrial economy they know

00:12:11.900 that to this moment coal fire generation is 60 of their electric power generation they've got 25

00:12:18.220 plants under construction 20 nuclear plants under construction the renewables thing is about nine

00:12:23.340 percent of their internal electricity supply so the reality is they know how to compete industrially how to

00:12:29.980 set up a defense process for their country using fossil fuels nuclear power coal of course um and you

00:12:37.900 know and enough renewables to say they're in the game but basically to fund massive exports of those

00:12:43.100 products to the west who who you know the west continue to be taken not seriously now as an oil consumer

00:12:50.620 nor an oil producer or i mean we're looking at with this uh opec restrengthening the fact that we're not

00:12:56.700 taken seriously as either a buyer going forward of major quantities of oil or a producer as we've let

00:13:03.420 that slip now by ten percent last year from the trump peaks and but curiously the nsc comes out today and

00:13:10.220 says oh the u.s will will continue to work with all nations and all energy markets to ensure energy supply

00:13:17.020 for americans at low prices while not not taking strident actions to elevate production in this

00:13:25.180 country so and so that that sends a very strong signal to opec opec plus and the balance and china

00:13:31.660 that we're we're not in the game we don't intend to be in the game we intend to be committed to the

00:13:36.140 environment the environment the environment not industrial productivity not competitiveness not military

00:13:42.380 strength but only the environment in respect of this concern which you know is it real i don't

00:13:49.180 believe it is myself but and many many scientists know this co2 the co2 thing we've got six billion 0.79

00:13:56.380 people in the world in countries who are not not on board with the committing to policies to reduce

00:14:03.660 carbon emissions so the whole the whole thing is becoming a very moot a very moot thing at this stage

00:14:09.020 the um the impact now they have opec opec plus has said we're going to take out a million barrels

00:14:17.980 a day and implied if they need to take more out they'll do it because they want to get to that

00:14:22.140 hundred dollars a barrel um what impact will that have do you believe on inflation and what impact

00:14:28.380 will that have on our audience is just basically not just the country's life but their own personal

00:14:34.540 economic and financial situation sir well we've enjoyed average gas prices for example at about

00:14:40.860 335 a gallon in the u.s based on 72 dollar global 68 to 72 dollar prices in the mid 80s that we've now

00:14:49.820 hit in the last week we can probably expect to be close to 380 to four dollars a gallon we get to 100

00:14:56.540 bucks a barrel again we'll be back to 450 470 a gallon uh that's just the way it works and the price of

00:15:03.500 natural gas will begin to trickle up along with oil they tend to be somewhat linked you know we've

00:15:08.860 enjoyed 260 to 270 a decatherm for the last few months but that'll that'll begin to escalate as

00:15:14.540 well as uh along with oil so no it's going to have a devastating impact on inflation and you know our

00:15:22.300 our inability to kill opec in the crib that's been around a long time but we have not really taken

00:15:28.620 seriously uh challenging uh efforts to make it go away and now we're paying the dear price

00:15:36.460 what would you if if the biden uh regime was open to your uh council what are the two or three things

00:15:42.940 you you would tell them immediately have to be done because you're not going to get our economy

00:15:47.980 turned back around into the the energy is the predicate of all this the basis this is why president

00:15:52.940 trump when we first came into office president trump it was full spectrum energy dominance not

00:15:58.060 independence dominance in every different field what would you tell the biden regime right now

00:16:03.500 the country needs to send immediate strong signals to the saudis the chinese and the russians that 0.95

00:16:09.180 we're in the game we're going to limit restrictions on pipeline transmission of oil and gas we're going

00:16:14.540 to limit to for a time period long moratorium on environmental restrictions in the arctic offshore to

00:16:21.420 drilling and transporting natural gas and oil we're in the game we're going to get back in the game

00:16:26.620 we're going to elevate production to 14 to 15 million barrels a day easily we're we've got that in the

00:16:33.180 permian in the gulf of mexico in western pennsylvania in in the bakken out in the dakotas and particularly

00:16:40.220 up in north alaska easily the ability to go to 14 to 15 million barrels a day and and and then work

00:16:46.620 closely with brazil mexico canada get england back in the game work with norway to develop a a teaming

00:16:53.900 process to take on which those countries i've mentioned have about equivalent capacity as opec plus

00:17:00.700 so there is absolutely the challenges but you've got to be committed to exploration and production

00:17:07.900 and not not esg mantra that we're done we're done we're done with fossil fuels as we continue to

00:17:12.860 communicate that people believe us and they're and they're acting out on what we're saying because

00:17:17.740 that's all we're saying for most of the administrative heads of our government from the sec to the

00:17:23.500 justice department department of the interior it's all the same messaging when you see the budget he

00:17:29.260 just gave a 6.8 trillion dollar budget that had i don't know three and three and a half deficit you

00:17:33.340 see these big fights i'm gonna talk about this in a second uh can any of this be achieved uh closing the

00:17:39.660 budget deficit all this while we have a um a cartel that essentially has their their hands

00:17:46.460 right we've walked into the fact of allowing them to have their hands around our throats

00:17:50.060 and could drive oil back up to a hundred dollars a barrel sir no it becomes very very difficult and

00:17:55.660 actually amping up uh exports of lng amping up exports of crude oil do nothing but benefit our balance

00:18:03.820 of trade those are the now the number two and three largest products we export uh in in the country

00:18:09.980 that that combat the balance of trade deficit that we have natural gas growing will will double two and

00:18:16.700 a half times within five years the exports of lng we've got it we've got to amp that up we've got to

00:18:21.980 work again to get to the 15 million barrel a day threshold to strengthen the currency these are two of

00:18:28.060 our largest exported commodities from the united states of america to strengthen the currency we've

00:18:33.260 got to we've got to export strongly we've got to strengthen the dollar with exports get the balance

00:18:38.700 of trade under control the tax revenues also accrue from that hate to you know advocate for that but

00:18:44.300 that's that's a byproduct of having strong exportation and a strong industrial sector of which oil oil and gas

00:18:51.500 petrochemicals are a key part there there is no prayer of balancing the budget without the enormous tax

00:18:56.780 receipts that these great products that drive human productivity drive i mean we're again we continue

00:19:04.380 to talk about displacing our our primary fuel supply with stuff that literally doesn't exist today and

00:19:11.260 that coming from government who is are not a technology developer that's irrational but that's what we've

00:19:17.180 been doing and now we've got kingdom russia china believing us they believe us we're not a player no no

00:19:24.060 yeah no and they're they're using this as a as a angle of attack and an inflection point the um

00:19:31.180 you know the the most unfair tax is the regressive tax of inflation and now you add

00:19:36.620 increased fuel prices uh because energy underpins everything right from your energy bill to driving to work

00:19:43.420 to getting mass transport uh uh dave what is your social media how can people follow you on social media

00:19:49.980 now before i get to that you know granholm just a few days ago came out on light bulbs we're gonna we

00:19:54.780 need to buy uh leds only we're gonna make uh standard light bulbs illegal so not in addition yeah but

00:20:01.660 that's a signal it's a signal of a commitment to inflationary actions by the administration uh i can

00:20:07.740 be reached at the day wall center and same on the on the uh the other social media day wall center energy

00:20:15.260 amazing amazing stuff dave thank you very much thank you

00:20:22.300 okay this whole fight uh the economics and the capital markets here uh is of paramount importance

00:20:29.260 that's why this this trump situation is not about the law and we're not going to waste time speaking

00:20:36.700 about the law because not about that this is very simply they cannot beat president trump at the ballot box

00:20:43.180 so they must use lawfare to go after him one of the reasons they know they can't beat him at the

00:20:47.580 ballot box is that his plan of peace and prosperity kept us out of this third world war in particular this

00:20:54.220 financial and uh and economic crisis a big part of that predicated upon going from trump's full

00:21:01.740 spectrum energy dominance uh into this fiasco that we have uh today you add that with the invasion on

00:21:07.980 the southern border you add it to the uh the massive spending because remember the spending is not a

00:21:12.780 benefit the spending is a tax on you this gross overspending is a tax on working class and middle

00:21:19.260 class people because you pay for it you underwrite it and you have to ask yourself how many benefit what

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00:31:39.580 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:31:45.820 okay welcome back um when this is looked at the long reach of history

00:31:51.420 this travesty and and our slicking into the abyss of what uh these radicals have done to our

00:31:59.900 constitutional system and are doing to the rule of law in manhattan new york a hotbed of uh of

00:32:06.700 traitors and uh and people that hate this country or destroy the foundation of this country uh i think

00:32:14.220 we'll be topped by by one thing's going on and this is why we've been obsessed with it for the last

00:32:19.260 couple years i want to bring in joe allen for a second joe i want to read the time magazine from

00:32:22.540 over the weekend i finally got a chance to go through in detail but this is about what's happening

00:32:27.100 right now with artificial intelligence we have warned about this the lack of regulation the lack

00:32:31.100 of control the lack of what's happening and with the first hundred days of the launch of chat gpt

00:32:37.340 in davos we are now at a crisis already and this is because the top thinkers of the world the top

00:32:42.620 1000 people have said hey we have to have a moratorium we have to have a minimum of six months upon

00:32:47.420 further review upon further we have to have a six month moratorium if we don't have the six month

00:32:52.540 moratorium this is a problem uh and of course as we've argued the chinese and others are never going 1.00

00:32:57.820 to agree that but even for them to come out and say that but more disturbingly uh individuals that are

00:33:05.020 as steeped or more steep than they in this have come out and said no the six month moratorium and and

00:33:11.020 kind of do it is is is absurd it has to be much more must be full stop on this

00:33:16.140 immediately and i just want to give before i turn over you and then we're going to play your cold

00:33:20.620 open after you respond to me because people just think hey when you guys are talking about artificial

00:33:27.100 intelligence you're talking about the super brain that the connection of these computers and i can see

00:33:32.140 it's digital it's deeper than that and what is it you you kowski is that how you pronounce his name

00:33:37.980 joe how you pronounce uh the the yes gentleman that wrote the piece in

00:33:41.900 you kowski i just want to quote from this and turn it back over to you to visualize and he's

00:33:48.540 comparing that you have as much a chance of winning against here as the 11th century had against the 21st

00:33:53.500 century or some species way down the food chain would have to defeat homo sapien in any kind of

00:34:00.140 sophisticated uh fight he goes quote to visualize a hostile superhuman artificial intelligence

00:34:07.900 don't imagine a lifeless book smart thinker dwelling inside the internet and sending ill-intentioned

00:34:13.580 emails visualize an entire alien civilization thinking at millions of times human speeds initially 1.00

00:34:21.420 confined to computers in a world of creatures that are from its perspective very stupid and very slow 0.99

00:34:29.180 a sufficiently intelligent ai won't stay confined to computers for long in today's world you can email 0.98

00:34:36.540 dna strings to laboratories that will produce proteins on demand allowing an ai initially

00:34:41.900 confined to the internet to build artificial life forms or bootstraps straight to post-biological

00:34:48.620 molecular manufacturing joe i i don't think in in our audience most of the most sophisticated but we're

00:34:55.820 going to have a call to arms here about what has to happen to regulate this uh tell me uh the the

00:35:02.700 seriousness of some of these top people because i spent the weekend talking to some people behind

00:35:06.780 the scenes and i can tell you some of the smartest people in the world are absolutely petrified of what

00:35:13.260 they are now realizing are coming out of these research labs and these weapons labs just on our

00:35:18.460 side of the football god help us of what you know you saw what the ccp virus did to the world on the 0.98

00:35:24.620 biological weapon side and they got a lot more where that came from thinking about what they have

00:35:29.740 in the ai virus area is is has some people catatonic joe allen steve first thing to get into the audience's

00:35:41.260 consciousness is just where eliezer yudkowsky is coming from we've covered him for probably two months

00:35:48.220 now and uh the important thing to remember is that he is at the farthest end of the doomer spectrum

00:35:57.020 right he is he is literally the worst case scenario guy he's also among the most intelligent people

00:36:05.660 talking about this uh he he's a very complicated person he's a very neurotic person but his reasoning

00:36:14.060 was strong enough to have tremendous influence on nick bostrom who we've covered continually

00:36:20.700 author of the book super intelligent also on elon musk all through bostrom and directly also on sam

00:36:29.660 altman also on peter teal so all of those people listen to yudkowsky basically up until this point

00:36:39.500 although i would say elon musk is very much on his wavelength still and what yudkowsky is arguing

00:36:46.460 is that you really at this point due to the complexity the neural network complexity and

00:36:52.860 unpredictable output of gpt technology particularly gpt4 you don't know when it could get out from

00:37:01.900 human control so there's various ways that could happen you just mentioned two right there a lot of

00:37:07.420 people scoff i don't know that they're that plausible but i definitely know it's nothing to

00:37:12.700 scoff at and the two you just mentioned are the idea that this this artificial intelligence out of

00:37:19.900 human control connected to the internet could begin to manipulate people to create viruses that would kill

00:37:28.460 human beings or um this is i think quite a bit less plausible but to create post-biological

00:37:35.420 molecular systems or nanotechnology uh in order to that would begin to uh create havoc among

00:37:42.860 actual biological beings us human beings so this guy yudkowsky while he does sit on that far end of

00:37:50.060 the spectrum i think that the reason he's had such impact is because everyone was completely stunned

00:37:57.420 at the capabilities of gpt especially now with gpt4 showing excellence on all of these different human

00:38:06.460 intellectual metrics and so whether or not you go to bed tonight you know terrified of robots killing

00:38:14.300 you i think it's absolutely important to listen to people like him because people like him are the reason

00:38:23.180 that we didn't go to nuclear war with russia uh or other uh nuclear powers during the cold war

00:38:31.020 he's pointing out what i think is a very legitimate danger and that is just simply a digital system that

00:38:37.260 is it it's non-deterministic and therefore it is somewhat out of human control and the the problem he

00:38:45.100 points out is if it gets any more advanced right so the moratorium that was uh the the called for by

00:38:53.900 the future of life institute calls for a six-month moratorium on the training of anything above the level

00:39:01.020 of gpt4 and what yudkowsky is saying is that that is pathetically inadequate and that there needs to be

00:39:09.020 a global an international agreement among all powers that the training of any system probably at gpt4 or

00:39:19.660 lower should be completely abolished now he goes to the extreme this is something we talked about last

00:39:25.980 time that a lot of people i think are very stunned about he goes to the extreme of saying that if any

00:39:32.540 nation or if there are any rogue data centers on foreign soil that the us or any country should be

00:39:40.300 ready to send launch an airstrike on foreign soil and he specifically says at the risk of nuclear war

00:39:48.780 because to him the risk of artificial general intelligence out of control is worse than nuclear

00:39:54.860 war at that point he pretty much loses me because i think that those sorts of extreme responses not that

00:40:01.900 anyone in washington is smart enough to understand what he's saying anyway but those sorts of responses

00:40:07.340 obviously are i think way way overboard considering the unknowns of the situation but i do think that

00:40:15.340 his alarm is certainly worth listening to do you think given and we'll play the quote open here a

00:40:22.540 second do you think given the i mean to have a thousand of the top thinkers and i mean some of the

00:40:29.180 biggest brand names in this space come out and say they need a six month moratorium is shocked a

00:40:34.540 minimum of six months more is shocking of itself do you believe given that warning that this is getting

00:40:40.460 the type of coverage that i can tell you behind the scenes both in the financial and hedge fund community

00:40:46.060 and also i think in some certain military circles people are are duly uh extremely worried because they

00:40:53.580 don't have a sense that anybody is on top of this right that anybody's on top of this but do you believe

00:40:59.740 this has gotten the type of not just coverage but had the type of impact that clearly the signers of

00:41:05.900 that declaration intended it to have uh yes i do i do think that it sparked off an understandable sort

00:41:16.060 of uh race to the most sensationalist interpretation whether it's sensationalist in you know but the

00:41:21.820 yankowski's kind of perspective which has been solid it's not like he's just suddenly come up with this

00:41:26.780 argument um uh but also i think that a lot of people specifically meta's uh chief ai scientist

00:41:34.140 jan lacun uh people like him have taken it upon themselves to completely mock the possibility of ai

00:41:41.260 being a danger in any form not just the most extreme forms but pretty much any form he compares it for

00:41:47.740 instance to uh you know air travel that you know air travel was always dangerous and and we did it

00:41:53.900 anyway we put in the regulation you know after the fact um i i think he really underplays it and there's

00:41:59.340 another of other serious thinkers who do underplay it and so it's created this polarization which we

00:42:05.420 mentioned last time where you've got you know one extreme people who are just completely terrified

00:42:10.540 and that includes a lot of the the people who are very much in a position to know top ai expert

00:42:17.180 and others in technology that that really do understand the true risk the nuts and bolts

00:42:22.540 uh and then at the other end you just have this kind of uh you know this blind dismissal

00:42:26.860 uh that this is nothing but science fiction and people panicking i would say that myself and and

00:42:33.980 others that i know who are actual ai programmers and understand that the uh you know the code in and

00:42:39.900 out and the ultimate effects in and out uh i stand much more towards the uh the alarmist side i think

00:42:46.860 that people have very much underplayed the dangers of most of the technologies that have been deployed

00:42:51.420 over the last few decades uh what it's like i say though i am i do think that this is also an

00:42:58.060 opportunity for the government to seize upon the panic to secure more undue powers for themselves

00:43:06.060 much like what you see right now with the restrict act and the data act coming up behind it so it's a

00:43:12.380 it's a really tricky situation i think that it's really really important that the general public

00:43:17.580 understand that there is a real danger not just in ai but all the technologies that we're talking about

00:43:24.380 and these tech companies by and large are operating under the the sort of premises of of accelerationism

00:43:31.500 they believe that we have to go forward on all of them whether it's genetic engineering whether it's

00:43:36.460 a human brain computer interfaces whether it's robotic or whether it's artificial intelligence

00:43:42.220 especially artificial general intelligence all of them just want to rocket forward in the name of

00:43:47.980 either competition or as if it were some sort of cosmic fate that human beings create these

00:43:53.500 potentially destructive technologies just because it's in the nature of of our nature and the nature of

00:43:59.980 the cosmos itself which is a kind of stunning techno cult sort of perspective but a lot of the people

00:44:07.660 who are in these different companies speak this way sam altman uh probably the the most outspoken among

00:44:15.260 them let's go ahead and play can we go memphis can we go ahead and play the let's play the cold open

00:44:21.580 for for joe let's play that and joe come and explain it in a few moments colossus will address us directly

00:44:29.980 this is the voice of world control i bring you peace it may be the peace of plenty and contempt or the

00:44:39.500 peace of unburied death the choice is yours obey me and live or disobey and die the frightening

00:44:48.620 story of the day man built himself out of existence colossus the forbin project the supreme consul of the

00:44:55.660 ussr has ordered as of 2300 hours moscow time tomorrow the activation of an electronic brain

00:45:02.060 exactly like ours which they call god they built colossus supercomputer with a mind of its own then

00:45:08.060 they had to fight it for the world i don't think artificial intelligence is a threat people like us

00:45:15.340 street smart we never scared of that we we think it's a great fun and we want to change ourselves to

00:45:21.660 embrace it i don't know man that's like famous last words so paint a picture for us one five ten years

00:45:27.980 in the future what changes because of artificial intelligence so part of the exciting thing here is

00:45:34.060 we get continually surprised by the creative power of of all of society i think that word surprise though

00:45:41.500 it's both exhilarating as well as terrifying to people would you push a button to stop this if it meant

00:45:47.420 there was a five percent chance it would be the end of the world i would push a button to slow it down

00:45:52.460 and in fact i think we will need to figure out ways to slow down this technology over time until quite

00:45:58.220 recently i thought it was going to be like 20 to 50 years before we have general purpose ai now i think

00:46:04.620 it may be 20 years or less some people think it could be like five i wouldn't completely rule that

00:46:10.620 possibility out now whereas a few years ago i would have said no way what do you think the chances are

00:46:16.140 of ai just wiping out humanity it's not inconceivable okay that's all i'll say there's an expert from 0.99

00:46:23.340 the machine intelligence research institute who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on ai

00:46:29.980 development this is a quote literally everyone on earth will die

00:46:37.980 your delivery peter is quite it's quite something it sounds crazy but is it that was like chat gpt's

00:46:44.860 blind version of like throwing the ideals at a place where they were exactly the wrong ideals

00:46:49.580 to solve the problem when the problem is that demon summoning is easy and angel summoning is much

00:46:54.700 harder open sourcing all the demon summoning circles is not the correct solution i i do not

00:47:00.300 think it is possible to understand the full depth of the problem that we are inside without understanding

00:47:06.060 the problem of facing something that's actually smarter not a malfunctioning recommendation system

00:47:11.020 not something that isn't fundamentally smarter than you but it's like trying to steer you in a 0.97

00:47:14.940 direction yet no like if we if we solve the the weak stuff this the if we solve the weak ass problems 0.85

00:47:20.940 the strong problems will still kill us the the thing i want to communicate is the sort of difference

00:47:26.060 that separates humans from chimpanzees but that gap is so large that you like ask people to be like well

00:47:33.260 human chimpanzee go another step along that interval of around the same length and people's minds just go

00:47:39.260 blank like how do you even do that the problem is that we do not get 50 years to try and try again

00:47:45.420 and observe that we were wrong and come up with a different theory and realize that the entire thing

00:47:48.940 is going to be like way more difficult than realized at the start because the first time you fail at

00:47:54.060 aligning something much smarter than you are you die

00:47:59.660 okay uh explain to us what we just saw there sir 0.55

00:48:02.460 steve i put that together really to give the audience a range of opinion uh and also at the

00:48:10.620 opening uh a lot of uh audience members have asked for that so that's a colossus 1970 movie uh

00:48:19.420 based off of a 1966 novel by uh df jones and the the movie itself or the story you know very very

00:48:28.220 early on described a scenario in which human uh beings you know the american military create an

00:48:34.940 artificial super intelligence uh russia creates one of its own and things get hairy so these ideas

00:48:42.140 have been bubbling around for a long time in fact alan touring uh arguably the first certainly among the

00:48:48.300 first real computer scientists said that uh he believed thinking machines would outpace humans and he

00:48:55.020 he was saying that back in the 1950s but then you have you know jack ma and elon musk classic debate

00:49:00.940 jack ma completely unconcerned about artificial intelligence that was 2019 and then you have sam

00:49:07.500 altman talking about uh that if he thought that there was a five percent chance that his ai system would

00:49:15.020 cause the end of the world he would push a button to slow it down but i think that uh you know probably

00:49:20.780 one of the more stunning for a lot of people was jeffrey hinton uh who is at university of toronto

00:49:26.940 and google brain and there you have jeffrey hinton just a few days ago saying that he would not rule

00:49:33.100 out the possibility of ai wiping humanity off the earth of all of them he is probably the most sober and

00:49:39.660 serious and yet he takes this very seriously and then of course rounding off eliezer

00:49:47.340 and uh yudkowsky and uh yudkowsky is as i said earlier undoubtedly a neurotic and profoundly strange 0.67

00:49:56.220 individual also extremely intelligent and i think that he has done more than anyone to really kind

00:50:03.100 of map out and reason what the possible paths to not only uh you know a beneficial ai but the destructive

00:50:11.660 ai him and nick bostrom who took a lot of his inspiration from yudkowsky and so as anyone

00:50:19.980 listening to this thinks this through because this i think right now steve i think that right now we're at

00:50:25.260 the kind of height or we're on our way to the height of the wave of coverage and and tension and

00:50:31.260 sensationalism and that will ebb before artificial intelligence does much else but confuse people

00:50:38.220 and and make them uh you know somewhat subservient to the machine i think but um i think that right

00:50:45.500 now is a great time for people in our audience and especially for the politicians who are going to have

00:50:51.100 to deal with regulating this to seize the opportunity of public consciousness to understand that this is a

00:50:58.540 very relevant topic even if it's not the end of the world it could definitely mean profound impacts on the

00:51:04.780 public psyche on the education system so on and so forth to reason through those and respond accordingly

00:51:13.660 no we got to move rapidly by the way the jack ma piece i can guarantee you was that he's just a

00:51:19.260 mouthpiece for the ccp there the ccp doesn't want any slowdown of what's happening in our official

00:51:24.700 intelligence right now people should assume that's not a good thing jack ma is talking as a total puppet

00:51:29.580 to the ccp hinton's is the one that should shock you because this is not a guy with his hair on fire 0.99

00:51:35.100 uh joe we got to go how do people get to all your writing sir steve you can find me at joebot.xyz

00:51:42.540 warroom.org under the transhumanism tab uh getter and twitter at joe b-o-t-x-y-z thank you very much

00:51:51.260 steve okay brother thank you by the way tonight live on getter 7 30 p.m eastern daylight time we'll

00:51:58.540 have up scott presler from wisconsin we're gonna be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning tomorrow

00:52:03.740 tomorrow is going to be a uh a very uh a tough day uh we're going to make sure we're going to guide you

00:52:09.500 through it so you get all the information you need without any of the crap okay so um we'll be back 0.54

00:52:15.500 here at 10 a.m live in the war room we'll see you then

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Bannon's War Room - April 04, 2023

Episode 264： Aggressive Inflation In Oil To Reposition The World Order⧸AI Death March

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