00:01:14.820I will totally obliterate the deep state I will fire
00:01:23.080I will fire the unelected bureaucrats and
00:01:44.800shadow forces who have weaponized our justice system like it has never been weaponized before
00:01:51.140sick these are sick people and I will put the people back in charge of this country again
00:01:57.100the people will be back in charge of our country
00:02:00.900that certainly never gets old it's not Steve Bannon it's Natalie Winters I'm filling in for
00:02:07.320him while he's out on assignment but don't worry we got a very very packed show a lot of news
00:02:13.000things to get to but I really want to hone in on this concept of retribution as Donald Trump said
00:02:19.460he was speaking at CPAC there I really think that'll be the word of this show should be the word of the year
00:02:24.380primary and Webster's dictionary but really it's going to be the defining principle of the second administration
00:02:31.220the second term of Donald J. Trump now I want to bring someone in who's actually never been on the show before but he's someone who I frankly think should be and that's why we're changing that today
00:02:42.420someone who used to run the office of presidential personnel is basically the deputy director
00:02:48.000he was deputy to Johnny McIntyre who really was Trump's point person in terms of the hiring and firing of the entirety of the federal government and I really think this all circles back right all roads so to sort of lead to the fact that Donald Trump is the existential threat to the deep state we see that in New York we see that in Georgia we see that here in Mar-a-Lago right whatever the case is it all really centers around the fact that they have the
00:03:12.420to eliminate Donald Trump because he really poses a mortal threat to the mere existence of the deep state Steve would call it the in your face state if you want to call it the permanent political class we've seen it time and time again from the impeachment inquiries now that Trump's out of office they've moved to the New York attorney general we got Alvin Bragg doing his Soros funded shenanigans up there but James Bacon is someone who sort of had a front row seat an insider's view to all of this but particularly
00:03:42.420what exactly what exactly constitutes the deep state it's a term that's thrown around a lot but if we have James down the line and he's ready to join us I know you're working with the Heritage Foundation now but before we get into what you're doing to prepare for Trump 2025 if you could just sort of walk us through in your opinion first of all what exactly you did in the Trump White House but to you what exactly does retribution look like in Trump's second term what does draining the swamp look like and please get into the deep
00:04:12.400details give us all the nuts and bolts the hardcore facts absolutely well thank you for having me Natalie there's two main parts to this the first part is getting the right political appointees in place that's just drafting your team so that you can play in the big leagues because the second part is the important part and that's actually waging war against the deep state
00:04:36.400a lot of people talked about this when Schedule F came out it was done the last few months of the Trump administration and Schedule F is great but it's only one of say 10 things that you need to do to wage war against the deep state
00:04:50.320Schedule F for example allowed you to fire mid-level bureaucrats it allows you to make them more compliant if they're trying to jam things up in the bureaucracy
00:05:00.220but it's not a tool for mass firings and it's not a tool for firing the senior most bureaucrats
00:05:06.620so there's a number of things the president can do
00:05:09.700so can you sort of drill down on what exactly Schedule F is
00:05:14.620it's I for instance let me read this I know when Trump was proposing it
00:05:18.460and even since he left office Axios has done a lot of reporting
00:05:22.940they classify it under the umbrella term
00:05:26.680inside Trump 25 and they they had the article Trump's Revenge
00:05:30.660which you know you know it's going to be good if that's the title
00:05:33.000and they really seem to be sort of losing it over the concept of Schedule F
00:05:36.740really this is again getting into the the deep I think details of how you actually drain the swamp