Episode 2643: The Obliteration Of The Deep State; Preparing For 2025
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Summary
James Bacon is a former White House employee who served as the Director of the Office of Presidential Personnel under President Donald J. Trump. He is now a Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a Fellow at The Heritage Foundation. James has been a long-time supporter of the Trump administration and has a front-row seat to some of the administration's biggest scandals and scandals. He has a deep knowledge of the deep state and a keen sense of what it's like to be inside the inner sanctum of the Deep State, and he has a unique perspective on what it means to be a Deep State insider.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
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had a belly full of it I know you don't like hearing that I know you try to do everything
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the world to stop that but you're not gonna stop it it's going to happen and where do people like
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that go to share the big line mega media I wish in my soul I wish that any of these people had a
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conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country
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this country will be saved war room here's your host steven k band
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in 2016 I declared I am your voice today I add I am your warrior I am your justice
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and for those who have been wronged and betrayed I am your retribution I am your retribution
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I will totally obliterate the deep state I will fire
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shadow forces who have weaponized our justice system like it has never been weaponized before
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sick these are sick people and I will put the people back in charge of this country again
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the people will be back in charge of our country
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that certainly never gets old it's not Steve Bannon it's Natalie Winters I'm filling in for
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him while he's out on assignment but don't worry we got a very very packed show a lot of news
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things to get to but I really want to hone in on this concept of retribution as Donald Trump said
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he was speaking at CPAC there I really think that'll be the word of this show should be the word of the year
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primary and Webster's dictionary but really it's going to be the defining principle of the second administration
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the second term of Donald J. Trump now I want to bring someone in who's actually never been on the show before but he's someone who I frankly think should be and that's why we're changing that today
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someone who used to run the office of presidential personnel is basically the deputy director
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he was deputy to Johnny McIntyre who really was Trump's point person in terms of the hiring and firing of the entirety of the federal government and I really think this all circles back right all roads so to sort of lead to the fact that Donald Trump is the existential threat to the deep state we see that in New York we see that in Georgia we see that here in Mar-a-Lago right whatever the case is it all really centers around the fact that they have the
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to eliminate Donald Trump because he really poses a mortal threat to the mere existence of the deep state Steve would call it the in your face state if you want to call it the permanent political class we've seen it time and time again from the impeachment inquiries now that Trump's out of office they've moved to the New York attorney general we got Alvin Bragg doing his Soros funded shenanigans up there but James Bacon is someone who sort of had a front row seat an insider's view to all of this but particularly
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what exactly what exactly constitutes the deep state it's a term that's thrown around a lot but if we have James down the line and he's ready to join us I know you're working with the Heritage Foundation now but before we get into what you're doing to prepare for Trump 2025 if you could just sort of walk us through in your opinion first of all what exactly you did in the Trump White House but to you what exactly does retribution look like in Trump's second term what does draining the swamp look like and please get into the deep
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details give us all the nuts and bolts the hardcore facts absolutely well thank you for having me Natalie there's two main parts to this the first part is getting the right political appointees in place that's just drafting your team so that you can play in the big leagues because the second part is the important part and that's actually waging war against the deep state
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a lot of people talked about this when Schedule F came out it was done the last few months of the Trump administration and Schedule F is great but it's only one of say 10 things that you need to do to wage war against the deep state
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Schedule F for example allowed you to fire mid-level bureaucrats it allows you to make them more compliant if they're trying to jam things up in the bureaucracy
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but it's not a tool for mass firings and it's not a tool for firing the senior most bureaucrats
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so there's a number of things the president can do
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so can you sort of drill down on what exactly Schedule F is
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it's I for instance let me read this I know when Trump was proposing it
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and even since he left office Axios has done a lot of reporting
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inside Trump 25 and they they had the article Trump's Revenge
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which you know you know it's going to be good if that's the title
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and they really seem to be sort of losing it over the concept of Schedule F
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really this is again getting into the the deep I think details of how you actually drain the swamp
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it is Schedule F combined with the willpower of top lieutenants like Johnny McEntee
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that could bring Trump closer to his dream of gutting the federal bureaucracy
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and installing thousands devoted to him or his America First platform
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now of course the mainstream media's head is their pants everything's on fire when we read that
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people like me and you probably think that that sounds pretty great
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we should have people running the government who are committed to the concept of America First
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but if you could just again walk us through very very simple what exactly this Schedule F is
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and then for the people who aren't covered by that pretext or that umbrella
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uh how we would get rid of them absolutely so the government is supposed to work with the political
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appointees implementing the policy of the president they're supposed to be policy making employees
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so those political appointees are fireable by the president the problem is all these bureaucrats have
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started making policy on their own regardless of who the president is so what Schedule F did
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is it reclassified those government positions where these bureaucrats are making policy and it said
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you're not a real uh neutral bureaucrat you're you're an imposter we're reclassifying your position
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to make it so that we can fire you because you're really making policy and under the law if you're in a
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policy making position the president can fire you for no reason any reason at all so that's what
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Schedule F does Schedule F is great it's not a tool for mass firings it'll make bureaucrats more
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compliant but one of the things that the next president needs to do is something called reduction
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in force exercises it's called riffing and President Reagan's OPM director did it basically
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the president and the OPM director that's the office of personnel management can declare entire offices
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and positions obsolete it's basically a reorganization of the federal government and it doesn't require
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congress so let's say on day one President Trump could say I am riffing the entire every office that
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is diversity equity inclusion office across the federal government so he can fire all those offices
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on day one just by using a reduction in force exercise you can also reassign bureaucrats so you can
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reassign problem bureaucrats to a remote location in Alaska and if they don't want to go then you then
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have legal cause to fire them but there's all these other tools you can even pay bureaucrats to leave
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so you can use buyouts or you can offer them early retirement you can basically incentivize them to retire
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you can even give them bonuses for stuff like that but there's a little known office called the
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office of personnel management and it was actually created by Congress to help the president better
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manage the deep state because it had become such a problem it was created in the 70s and the only
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president who's really utilized it was Reagan and then Trump in Trump's final year so basically the
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office of personnel management can set the pay they can set the retirement benefits they can set the
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promotion requirements for all these bureaucrats so you can literally reduce their pension if they're
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not being compliant it's the number one tool we have to get them in line i think it's fair to say
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that we are in the 11th hour right when it comes to the necessity of draining the swamp getting rid of
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these bureaucrats i think we're seeing that in full force and full display right now and there's a lot of
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back and forth obviously about the primary obviously war room we're mega media you can see that in our
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in our intro so i think you know where or our biases lie but i'm just curious for people who say to take
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on the deep state you need someone who is both a tried and tested and true warrior someone who
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understands what they're up against and i would classify you as one of those people too right you worked
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in ppo you understand the game up there how do you think the fact that trump had such a first term
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that was plagued by such i would argue traitorous and treasonous appointees career and political you
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saw that on full display like i said in the first impeachment and of course the second too but do you
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really think that that gives him an edge over his competitors in terms of understanding how to actually
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go against the administrative state yeah well i would say there were certainly a lot of traitorous
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ones but the bigger problem were just ones that were dc republicans that would go along to get along
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these people did not have what it takes the bravery the heat tolerance being able to take heat from the
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media in order to get the job done you need tough people that are willing to get attacked by the
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mainstream media as soon as you start fighting the deep state they will leak to the media there'll be
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negative stories about you you need to be able to take that heat and president trump was not served well
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by those people he would tell he told these people what to do and many times they would uh logjam him in
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the bureaucracy they were too chicken to carry out his orders and that was the main obstacle um but
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president trump is the guy that they fear the most because they know he is ballsy enough frankly
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to get rid of all of them and we actually met with president trump in the final year of the white house
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we were planning all this stuff out and he gave us license to audit his entire administration
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so we interviewed every single political appointee and we decided who was going to be allowed into the
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second term and that was going to be our sort of retribution but we never got to realize it
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unfortunately so president trump was very serious about about dealing with this we got a minute or two
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left but could you walk us through what you're doing to actually bring these very ambitious goals into
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reality particularly with the heritage foundation and project 2025 yeah absolutely so project 2025
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is kind of the culmination of the mega republicans battle with the establishment we need to get the
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right people into the next administration during the transition period so that we can be ready on day
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one to be implementing the mega agenda basically what 2025 does is it recruits vets and sorts into positions
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all of the people we need to take over the next administration and make it run well
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so we're getting people from outside of the beltway and we're vetting them and we're interviewing them
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so that we can be ready we don't have time to waste when we get in next time and the heritage foundation
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is leading this they've got together a coalition of conservative groups we're building a personnel
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database that is going to be live very soon and you can go to project 2025.org to sign up if you want
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to serve in the next administration that's project 2025.org awesome so that's project 2025.org i expect
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the war room posse will be signing up in droves and james where can people stay in touch and in contact
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with you and what you're working on absolutely well i'll say another way we're bringing conservatives
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together is through the dating app the right stuff that i'm working on uh with john mcinty who was uh
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president trump's right hand man in the white house so follow our twitter at date right stuff
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to end on a lighter note um the dating app is is going very well awesome thank you so much for me
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i'm pretty off the grid as you should be i envy you i wish i could thank you so much for joining us
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well we got a pretty packed show dr gorka will be joining us i think next block uh we also got dave
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walsh talking about energy but speaking of the swamp and federal employees those who can't just
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seem to get off the federal payroll anthony fauci is a glowing example of that but speaking of anthony
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fauci and payrolls did you know he just signed up to be a strategic advisor to an italian biolab
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now this is a biolab that other members on its board include nih officials who helped create the
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covid 19 vaccine but even more interestingly this lab it's sort of a shady outfit operating in italy but
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it serves and seeks to be what's called a pandemic hub they want to create an international network
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where we create vaccines preemptively to go against pandemics it should come as no surprise that the
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director of this lab is the head of vaccine development for none other than pharmaceutical
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giant glaxo smith klein gsk history always seems to repeat itself i'm pretty sure they'll be declaring
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the next pandemic soon enough hang in there like i said we got dr gorka joining us right after the
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break we're going to talk about the arraignment maybe afghanistan there's so much news breaking we got
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about a 90 second break we'll be right back natalie winters filling in for stephen k bannon hang in there
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there's a government funding deadline it's coming up on capitol hill in september is there any chance
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at all that they actually defund the federal police well if jim jordan has his way they would uh if
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marjorie taylor green has her way they would they'd have to first convince kevin mccarthy to get
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something like that through the house of representatives which is uh far from certain
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given the slim republican majority and the fact that democrats are opposed but even if they do it's dead
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on arrival in the democratic senate and president joe biden is certainly not going to sign a bill that
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defunds federal law enforcement he's an outspoken proponent of increasing funding uh for the fbi the
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doj and local police so this is really a question of if donald trump comes back to power as president
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and puts his allies in charge of congress this is the kind of thing that they uh would pursue down
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the road yeah this new subpoena sahil uh to mark pomerantz so jim jordan first requested him to
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cooperate it was voluntarily he did that on march 22nd uh pomerantz politely declined but this subpoena
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has he responded to that and could he fight it and if so under what circumstances he has not responded
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to the subpoena yet alex at least that we're aware if it's a new subpoena in which uh the chairman
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of the judiciary committee jim jordan says pomerantz is quote uniquely situated to provide
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information on the republican investigation into the trump prosecutors now pomerantz of course is a
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former prosecutor himself in the manhattan da's office he helped lead the investigation into trump
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early in 2022 when it looked like newly minted da alvin bragg was not going to prosecute trump
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pomerantz resigned and was very public about his criticism said that was wrong said he believed
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trump was guilty of felonies jordan is now shining a light on pomerantz's public statements both in
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his resignation letter and his book which he took on the road being heavily critical of trump saying
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he was quote guilty of numerous felony violations also called him a malignant narcissist and perhaps
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a megalomaniac what this all boils down to is jim jordan trying to build a narrative that this public
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pressure that pomerantz put on alvin bragg led to this uh indictment bragg's office of course uh firmly
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denies that there is any kind of uh public or political pressure that he's simply following
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the law i believe we have a statement from uh alvin bragg's office on the screen he says quote the house
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gop continues to attempt to undermine an active investigation an ongoing new york criminal case
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with an unprecedented campaign of harassment and intimidation uh he goes on to call this uh
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an abuse of power and will not deter us from our duty to uphold the law alex
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george soros really should have invested his money in a better candidate than alvin bragg and maybe
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some better pr and crisis communications people but we've got a lot to get to we have i think dr
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gorka joining us down the line uh if you're there uh there's so much tennessee north carolina but before
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we get to what's going on there in those state houses i want to drill down on trump's arraignment
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because i don't think you've been with us on worm i also think this is my first time getting to host
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with you as a guest which is a true honor for me um but really getting your reactions your
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response i know you're someone whose parents fled communism you know uh communism marxism
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socialism is something very near dear and scary to your heart a lot of people charging this as
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evidence that you know bolshevism is coming here to the united states that we live in a country where
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the rule of law is really no longer a reality we live in a banana republic i just am curious to get
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your thoughts your reactions to all of this if you think those are fair charges well thank you natalie
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i just want to know where that slacker bannon is i remember him slacking off all the time in the
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white house i see he's doing it now at war room uh look i published uh the day of the uh arraignment
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my latest piece at substack and i entitled it very simply america police state and i never thought i'd
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say that i mean i am i'm a legal immigrant to the united states i chose to become its citizen i still
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think it's the greatest nation on god's green earth but my parents as children suffered under
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fascist occupation in hungary my father as a 20 year old was betrayed by kim philby uh arrested
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tortured by the secret police and given a life sentence in a communist prison he uh spent two years
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in solitary two years down a prison coal mine was eventually liberated by the brave young revolutionaries
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of the 1956 freedom fight and escaped to the west and escaped to freedom with the 17 year old daughter
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of a fellow prisoner who became his wife and my mother so i was born in freedom because of my father's
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resistance to communist oppression and then i come here to america i'm naturalized i get to serve in the
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highest institution of the land in the white house for president trump and then what do i witness in
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the last two years in america i see a pro-life preacher who has a misdemeanor charge against him
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dismissed by a local court then have his home raided by 20 armed agents of the fbi as his seven children
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are screaming don't take away our father i see january 6 protesters some of whom like jacob chansley
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did literally nothing were escorted through the capital by police officers get years in prison
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not only that serve before that without arraignment which is illegal for more than two years held in
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solitary and then we see what not only is the former president not only is he the subject of a raid on
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his home by armed federal agents the man who isn't just a former president but is the leader of the
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current opposition leading the next person by at least 20 or 30 points he is charged with what exactly
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alan dershowitz came on on my newsmax show and and he said there was no crime committed not not even a
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misdemeanor because you can't charge somebody with a misdemeanor five years after the statute of
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limitations has expired why is this happening for one purpose and one purpose alone george soros that
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funded alvin bragg to the tune of more than a million dollars wants to destroy president trump
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and hates anybody who voted for him the democrat party is not a party anymore it is a radical organization
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that which wishes to dismantle america and this isn't about party politics it's whether you love
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america america america is now divided by one very simple question do you love america or do you hate
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america if you hate america you're with george soros alvin bragg the squad aoc black lives matter
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antifa if you love america you're with president trump so this is a sad day uh and it shows us one thing
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natalie you cannot compromise with these people there is no compromise they must be utterly and
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completely crushed in the next election and that's up to the listeners of the war room i'll take a
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retribution like donald trump says over unity any day it was very funny there was a great article on
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cnn and they were enumerating all these different countries that had previously arrested former leaders
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and they were saying well because other countries have done it it's okay that we do it here in the
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united states it was it was honestly mind-blowing even even for cnn i know that's a low bar but
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they went even lower uh but speaking of you know what we do right how to actually still have hope and
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go after these people and uncover the collusion i think between the biden doj and alvin bragg's office
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the jim jordan you know you say you don't know where steve is all i'm saying steve takes the show off and
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we got subpoenas flying out from jim jordan hey you know no coincidences no conspiracies no i'm just
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just kidding but uh they're they're subpoenaing like you saw in the cold open mark uh pomerantz
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someone who used to work in that office he resigned because alvin bragg wasn't uh i guess weaponized
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enough if you could even believe that what do you think he was going too slowly for pomerantz right
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is that enough what else do you want to see coming from house representatives uh to actually
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get to the bottom of this and actually do something so i i i want i want hunter biden subpoena i want all
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of hunter biden's business associates subpoena i want tony bobulinski uh undersworn uh testimony to tell
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us what monies came from communist china to rosamont seneca and to all of hunter biden's uh various
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companies and who the big man was and why he got 10 and why why on the laptop do we hear this
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voicemail from hunter biden saying and i'll edit it for the audience i'm in business with the effing
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chief spy of china i want that man in front of the american people to be forced to tell the truth or to
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lie under oath and commit perjury and one more thing i really want and i like jim and jim's been on the show
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many many times i want to recognize here because i was tough on him and i'll you know i'm not exactly
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doing a mayor culprit but for the record i will recognize i'm impressed with kevin mccarthy look i
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love what the six and the 14 did to get that deal for a new kind of speaker that's not a king or queen
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like nancy was but kevin has impressed in the last three months whether it's releasing the january 6 footage
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to tucker more people need to get it but releasing it was a big deal uh and and whether it's empowering
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people like coma to go after the the biden crime cartel or whether it's standing up to communist
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china and going to taiwan i i salute you kevin but i want to see more action on behalf of the january 6
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political prisoners i didn't see jim jordan at the gulag in washington dc not far from where i'm sitting
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i saw mtg matt gates i saw a few others i saw uh um who else was it paul gosar louis gomer i want to
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see the big big names as well from the freedom caucus like jim jordan demand the release of those
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prisoners and to have the exculpatory evidence from those videotapes used to sue the federal government
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and to get the people who brought those fallacious cases in front of the committees of congress that
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are meant to be exercising oversight so you know i'm seeing some good things natalie but i want to
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see more and i want to see it incessantly just like the left follow saul olenski's tactics never
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take a break even when you win you pile on you pile on you keep on winning i want to see the right
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become a fighting force that takes back america mitch mccollum has betrayed us he hasn't said one
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that have to fight fight fight like mtg like matt gates we need more of them and no more rhinos
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exactly it's no secret that when the republicans actually dare to fight there's actually support for
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them people are so tired of the spineless rhinos right so much so that it even seems that some
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people are leaving the democratic party to become republican officials i'm talking about
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the state house down in north carolina state rep trisha kotham who won as a democrat in her blue
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the break i want to get your reactions to that some common sense in the state rep which i think goes
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pretty squarely with the fact that the democratic party of your parents frankly my grandparents and
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you always know it's not a war room show hosted by me if i don't mention both anthony fauci and the chinese
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so long as you use the code war room but getting back to the fun stuff i think we still have dr gorka
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down the line with us uh before we get to what's going on in tennessee we have some breaking news there
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about again members of i believe it's the state house getting expelled for their involvement
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and protests about gun control gun grabs if you ask me uh what are your reactions and what's the
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whole deal going on in north carolina with this state rep uh declaring herself a republican instead
00:31:21.240
of her formerly affiliated party uh as a democrat thank you natalie first things first i hate to do
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this to to you uh this lovely guest host but i think you'll find the correct my pillow code is g-o-r-k-a
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um i will not let you get away with that no yes no more disinformation stop the disinformation the
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hobbits of the shy i must know the true do you have a square on this site i think that's a war room
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i do have a square i have a i have an octagon i have everything i do um so this is i played these
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clips on on my radio show today look i don't want to read too much into them but i think they're
00:31:59.080
interesting first things first check it you go see it on my social media this rep cortham who as
00:32:06.140
you said i think won by 20 as a democrat said these people are nuts they're insane gave an amazing presser
00:32:15.020
watch what she said and she says i'm leaving she's managed to flip the house because of what she's done
00:32:21.360
she's joined the gop and she said i had to do this because you're not allowed to ask questions as a
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democrat if you do you are you are completely shunned you are pushed into the wilderness and you
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are attacked so you know i wish we'd seen this earlier but bravo to rep cortham for actually
00:32:41.280
telling the world what it's like to be a democrat and how the democrats treat those who dare to even
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ask questions then on the same day i was watching live coverage we know one of the three has already
00:32:53.540
been expelled this is big news in in in the state house in in tennessee after this you know
00:33:00.080
transurrection three days ago where you know they they actually took the well of the senate over
00:33:07.060
three of the democrat members in total contravention of all the house rules well now they're being kicked
00:33:14.700
out of their jobs as politicians so something's happening in america i'm not saying it's going to be
00:33:20.540
a big wave but this is very very interesting it's been quite a week and perhaps we're going to see
00:33:26.840
more of this across the country natalie i think that's called retribution in action just like
00:33:33.540
donald trump talks about now before we let you go i just want to get your thoughts there's been some
00:33:38.080
breaking news today the biden regime released their report on the debacle that was afghanistan
00:33:44.340
and what's so interesting like the biden regime is so good at doing it's a master class in the blame
00:33:50.400
game they basically put it all on donald trump i'll read you a direct quote president biden's choices for
00:33:56.640
how to execute a withdrawal from afghanistan were severely constrained by conditions created
00:34:01.600
by his predecessor you're a geopolitics expert that's why you served donald trump in his first
00:34:08.000
term his first administration what are your thoughts on this this laughable allegation
00:34:13.720
well it's worse than laughable it's absolutely despicable kabul kirby an utter disgrace to the
00:34:21.000
naval uniform he once wore was actually challenged shockingly by cbs's ed o'keefe at the press conference
00:34:27.720
i've just uh retweeted the video ed o'keefe cbs said how dare you drop this garbage 10 minutes before
00:34:35.760
the presser the day before a long weekend and is this all we get this this couple of pages and you're
00:34:42.320
blaming president trump who by the way uh didn't leave 83 billion dollars worth of weaponry for
00:34:48.420
the taliban and didn't sacrifice the only only strategically important airstrip in the whole
00:34:55.920
of central asia that now means we are totally blind in the region so no this is this is an insult it is
00:35:03.400
literally spitting on the graves of the 13 marines one staff sergeant and naval corpsmen who were murdered
00:35:13.000
by isis as we surrendered the bagram air base there is no honor the fact that you know that that fat
00:35:21.240
overweight disgrace mark milley is still the chairman of the joint chiefs that lloyd austin sees no problem
00:35:29.220
with what happened that these people are more excited about crt being taught at west point
00:35:35.460
than actually dealing with our enemies as they should be dealt with uh very simply put natalie when
00:35:43.300
i when i was in the white house i i borrowed a motto from the marine corps and i use it to describe what
00:35:50.100
we were doing um in the trump administration with us back in power america well no better friend no worse
00:36:00.500
enemy now that has been reversed our enemies are ebullient you heard what was said recently by one
00:36:09.300
tin pot politician in our hemisphere who said to us after tuesday's indictment don't you ever lecture us
00:36:17.060
about democracy and rule of law after you charged president trump our enemies are laughing at us
00:36:22.900
natalie and our friends and our allies are deathly afraid and that's all the more reason to make sure
00:36:32.740
everyone who's watching and listening does their damnedest to get my former boss president trump
00:36:40.340
back in the white house so he can be 45 and 47 i remember back when i was working for raheem
00:36:49.140
someone whose accent i think is almost as good as yours over at the national polls we had broke an
00:36:53.940
exclusive story because we had obtained a memo uh from i think it was the the white house was under uh
00:36:59.780
the biden regime where they had done away with they had canceled antony blinken state department
00:37:05.060
canceled a trump era program the contingency and crisis response bureau which trump had set up
00:37:10.740
especially specifically for evacuating people from afghanistan so of course just more lies but
00:37:16.580
dr gorka like i said it's always an honor to have you on and even though we disagree about what
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promo codes people should use on the my pillow website i think i am team war room uh where can people
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follow your work and and get your show and and all the good stuff so we're on all social media that
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00:37:52.340
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that's my whole name is one word sebastian gorka.substack.com and if ever you want the real
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discounts it's g-o-r-k-a war room steve's gonna yell at me for letting you you say that we will
00:38:14.340
we will censor that of course but he's not here so tough and happy easter to team war room thank you
00:38:21.460
very much likewise oh always a blast to have dr gork on usually i'm on his show so it's a privilege
00:38:28.500
to get to interview him even if he wants to try to use his promo code promo code war room but i think
00:38:35.060
we have another show regular down the line joining us we got dave walsh future secretary of energy
00:38:42.980
uh there's a lot to unpack uh here but i i wanted to get your thoughts because i saw the headline and
00:38:50.020
my immediate reaction was i need to get the data i need to get all the good statistical analysis and
00:38:56.180
fact-based uh reporting from dave walsh when i saw that the ceo of jp morgan jamie diamond
00:39:03.540
said and please correct me if i am paraphrasing this incorrectly uh but that the government should
00:39:09.380
seize private property to combat climate change so they can set up solar and wind farms am i off base
00:39:16.660
in saying that well he may have said that it's absurd it's ridiculous makes no sense he also he
00:39:25.940
said something a couple days ago though that was um not quite on that page he did indicate that the
00:39:31.300
climate change mania and what's going on with the rapid too rapid adoption of solar and wind
00:39:37.540
in place of baseload continuous duty energy resources like coal nuclear and gas
00:39:42.340
is causing huge damage to the economy and it's being overplayed and it's being done too quickly
00:39:48.020
even if it is it may be true and it's far from proven to be true that their co2 man caused global
00:39:53.540
warming but he he has also said those things and he's he's on target with those that i don't think
00:39:59.140
we need land appropriate and unfortunately the incentives are creating enough momentum for too much uh solar
00:40:05.700
and uh wind power you want to chat about the article on the health care health care worsening
00:40:11.940
climate change yes but before we get there because i want to dedicate more time to that we only got got
00:40:17.780
a few minutes uh i am just just curious because jamie diamond in this this email this statement that
00:40:23.940
he did send out i think it was to either share to shareholders or to his company um he did talk
00:40:29.620
about the government invoking eminent domain to basically convert private property to support this
00:40:37.140
sort of new green energy push whether it was wind or solar energy and and i was reading through this
00:40:43.620
on twitter and basically all the comments and it was my initial reaction too was that it was you know
00:40:48.500
all these communist regimes that have come to power the first thing that they kind of do is they
00:40:52.580
reappropriate the land usually under the pretext or pretense of equality now obviously
00:40:59.300
equality has sort of phased out it's not woke enough now we want equity but i think it's
00:41:04.100
interesting to sort of conceive of this in the terms of climate change and green energy is sort
00:41:08.980
of the last new approach to taking on social justice right it's there's there's other kind
00:41:14.740
of elements in terms of their social agenda that are interrelated to this crisis that is climate
00:41:20.820
change or global warming so from from your perspective just again to reiterate what you were saying
00:41:25.940
before none of the numbers the data the science the facts comport that green energy actually helps
00:41:34.340
anyone it just leaves people with with blackouts and unreliable energy right yeah it's leaving us
00:41:40.340
with a tremendous void of continuous duty electricity which is what's necessary to keep electricity in
00:41:46.740
the system electricity must be produced exceed every second of the day at a level exceeding the demand for
00:41:54.180
it so when you're talking about wind power on average on land you're talking about a nine hour a day
00:42:00.100
resource with four fifteen hours a day missing and with solar you're talking on average in the country
00:42:07.060
about a 5.2 hour a day resource therefore about 18.8 hours a day of missing energy so as you displace
00:42:16.820
nuclear coal and gas turbine plants that run full-time you're displacing it with stuff that isn't there for
00:42:23.540
you on average about 17 hours a day the average of wind and solar that that's a that's a disaster
00:42:30.740
that's a complete disaster and the country's doing that reserve margins are way way down across miso
00:42:37.700
air cot kaiso in the california section particularly pgm because we've torn down nearly a hundred thousand
00:42:45.300
megawatts of coal capacity that runs all the time about twenty thousand megawatts worth of nuclear capacity
00:42:51.540
that runs all the time and displaced it to some degree with wind and solar that operate only you
00:42:58.020
know on average about six hours a day seven hours a day between the two that it doesn't work it doesn't
00:43:04.100
work until something's invented and it hasn't been invented to run on a continuous basis full-time
00:43:10.260
equaling nuclear combined cycle gas or or coal to provide 24 hour a day electricity so this is this is a
00:43:19.540
commentary that does not make sense with respect to mathematics physics nor the realities of energy
00:43:25.300
supply it's always about power and it's so funny while the biden regime is up there pushing green
00:43:32.660
energy it's only a few years ago that hunter biden was investing in sinopec and yan coal and all of
00:43:39.380
these chinese communist party owned and operated oil and gas refineries and enterprises and companies that
00:43:46.260
probably wouldn't even pass a basic esg test here uh in the united states but like i said it's not
00:43:53.060
actually motivated by ideology it's motivated by power and control speaking of that we got another
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scary story right after the break hang in there we'll be right back
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i can't believe it i guess time flies when you're having fun but story that's not super fun at least
00:46:10.260
if you're undergoing surgery because now the climate change alarmists are coming for general anesthetics
00:46:16.660
and your ability to be numb from certain pain surgeries whatever they they are really going after
00:46:21.860
certain gases that anesthesiologists use kind of bizarre but people may remember liana when steve always
00:46:31.140
calls her the leader of the inquisition here uh in terms of the covid vaccine she's the lady who
00:46:37.620
always seems to be on msnbc telling you no matter what no matter what time it is no matter what day it
00:46:42.740
is note certainly no matter what the studies the real studies say you should get the covid 19 vaccine
00:46:48.260
well she wrote an article an op-ed for the washington post titled health care itself is worsening climate
00:46:56.100
change one small switch can help my favorite quote from the piece health system leaders understand the
00:47:04.100
climate crisis is a health crisis better care is low carbon care in other words we don't care about
00:47:11.140
your health as long as we don't emit co2 or other gases it's sort of crazy but it also is i think saying
00:47:18.180
the quiet part out loud dave walsh if you're still with us if you could just kind of walk through what
00:47:24.740
exactly this piece is arguing for and just the absolute ridiculousness that they're uh that they're
00:47:30.100
calling for in the washington post which is a surprise yeah this kind of gaslighting of the
00:47:35.620
topic is endemic of what the left does let me read the first two sentences physicians nurses and
00:47:41.380
other frontline providers know firsthand the health impacts of climate change air pollution exacerbates
00:47:47.780
asthma and emphysema now let's start climate change is a topic different than air pollution
00:47:54.260
they're not the same topic but anyway this article conflates them and then it goes on extreme
00:47:59.060
heat worsens heart and kidney conditions and rising temperatures increase the occurrence of a wide range
00:48:04.660
of illnesses now let's talk about rising temperatures you can see the conflation they build this this thesis
00:48:10.580
on a basis of facts that aren't facts there are no rising temperatures and i'll pick my data points
00:48:17.380
from 1945 to 1972 according to the noaa noaa data temperatures rose 0.38 centigrade from 45 to 72 from 79 to 23
00:48:29.540
temperatures on average rose 0.4 centigrade so between the uh 55 80 years of that time period they're barely
00:48:37.460
they're they're about the same they're about the same across 1945 to 1923 and from 2015 to 2023 they're
00:48:46.500
absolutely flat once again according to the noaa satellite data flat again from 2015 to 23 so there is
00:48:55.300
no reality right now to temperature rise that this article has a solid foundation of facts based on
00:49:01.620
temperature rise and also you get into things like sea level rise yeah there's been tremendous sea level
00:49:07.700
rise for 21 000 years it's up 427 feet because that was the terminus of the last glaciation from then
00:49:15.380
21 000 years ago to now as the glaciers have melted it's risen but but curiously that flattened out about
00:49:22.020
8 000 years ago to a level of and the ipcc the international panel on climate change agrees with this
00:49:29.300
1.7 millimeters a year which is six inches in 100 years that's the absolute amount of glacial melt
00:49:37.380
remaining until we hit the peak and then we start trailing down into the next ice age this has all
00:49:43.140
happened on eight occasions in the last 400 000 years there's ample data and in fact gore himself
00:49:50.100
was on hand for some of the ice core taken ice core data taken in antarctica to prove this out but so
00:49:57.860
no there's no temperature rise going on at this point in time of any consequence and the article
00:50:02.180
is based entirely on the the health harm that that can cause also and and the reference to co2 as a
00:50:09.620
greenhouse gas well sure it's a greenhouse gas as is water vapor is also a greenhouse gas
00:50:15.460
it doesn't mean it's harmful it's not in the context of pollution so they use that as a
00:50:19.860
as a benchmark to measure that this this desflurane um anesthetic is 3 700 times worse than something
00:50:29.460
with no proven detriment to begin with co2 so the benchmark isn't even accurate because it hasn't been
00:50:35.460
proven that co2 actually increases temperatures and and more to the point it's not a pollutant
00:50:41.220
it's necessary for the growth of vegetables and fruits for mankind to survive
00:50:46.660
it's a climate cult and it always has religion like i always am saying
00:50:51.940
it's about power but that's because it always is and and you got you got a minute before i have
00:50:56.340
to let you go but why why do you say that it is a religion what like what what exactly
00:51:00.740
are the tenants of it and why do you think that's a fair charge well the the mania on this and i'll
00:51:07.620
give you another example there was a celebratory article last a few days ago and this is horrible
00:51:13.460
that the uh african development bank which is backed by the european bank and the world bank
00:51:19.140
spent 27 million on a solar farm in ghana as a 27 million dollar solar farm is going to produce
00:51:27.140
160 electricity of a 27 million dollar simple cycle or combined cycle gas turbine power plant
00:51:35.140
it's going to produce 160 electricity and we're talking about a country so we we have a 27 million
00:51:41.140
lending facility that's approved only because the project is solar in ghana which has electricity
00:51:48.020
consumption at a 1910 per capita u.s equivalent level and a 1920 per capita european equivalent level
00:51:56.660
and we're and we're providing lending only into projects like that that support electricity
00:52:02.020
for one-sixth of the time as conventional modern technology and van cycle gas turbine in combined
00:52:09.220
cycle will provide electricity this is so no the so we're we're arguing that we're helping destitute
00:52:16.260
nations with electricity resources one-sixth the energy value it's horrible and that's all that the
00:52:22.020
where can people sorry dave we're coming up against the end of the show where can people follow you
00:52:26.740
for more of this analysis well at dave walsh energy on on getter and true social thank you natalie
00:52:34.100
thank you so much for joining us and thank you to the war room posse for joining me i know i'm no
00:52:39.620
stephen k bannon i try my hardest uh but i i really think today's show we really drilled down on what exactly
00:52:46.660
retribution whether it's the crazy climate cultists the crazy insurrectionist democrats in the tennessee
00:52:52.660
state house or even the chinese communist party or of course alvin bragg and his soros funded cronies
00:53:00.420
how we actually fight back and like i said we need someone in the white house who is a tried true and
00:53:07.700
tested warrior and understands what exactly the deep state the in your face the permanent political class
00:53:14.260
i like to call it the deep state that's my only disagreement with steve hang in there we'll be
00:53:20.100
back tomorrow at 10 a.m and i think steve is taking over the six o'clock hour tonight thanks for joining
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