On today's show, Stephen K. Bamb and the War Room crew discuss Morning Joe's new obsession with Christian nationalism, and whether or not it's a good or bad thing. Plus, a new segment featuring a guest who doesn't know what Morning Joe is all about.
00:01:11.000So we're going to take that poll here in a second.
00:01:13.000But right there, I think it's John Ward that was saying this.
00:01:17.000And now, you know, the new obsession with Morning Mika is Christian nationalism.
00:01:22.000Dave Bratt, walk us through, because the audience, I can tell you, the audience is already, their heads are exploding by what they just heard, sir.
00:01:29.000Yeah, well, Joe, you know, Joe talks about the greatest story on earth, but I never hear him tell what that great story is.
00:01:51.000Sometimes religious folks are in a bubble.
00:01:53.000But personally, I went to Princeton Seminary where Madison went.
00:01:56.000And if you're familiar with Reinhold Niebuhr and human depravity and sin, and you go to think through, right, love God with your mind, as he said,
00:02:05.000perhaps you might not stick all power on earth in the United States federal government as we're currently doing and ruining this country in the process.
00:02:41.000Before we get to the moral front, just at the end, and this is where these guys go, he said what Christ said, love God with your whole mind.
00:02:48.000No, it was your whole mind, your whole heart, your whole soul, your whole person, all three centers of what they call everything, all in, not just your mind.
00:02:55.000These guys all think it's some intellectual exercise.
00:02:57.000This is not an intellectual, this is not some debating society, right?
00:03:01.000We're not trying to get you to be, we don't care, you know.
00:03:04.000It sounds like the transhumanists, this is a, this is Elon Musk.
00:03:08.000They're going to upload their minds into some digital format.
00:03:12.000And so all their minds will be talking to each other for eternity, right?
00:04:23.000How do you relate that then to this discussion we've had in the first hour on the economy and choices?
00:04:29.000How do you take the moral high ground on the choices that have to be made and the tough decisions?
00:04:34.000The easy decisions are all years and decades behind us.
00:04:37.000How do you take the moral high ground in the spiritual part of the great battle we have to save this republic through this fight over something as, you know, mundane as a debt ceiling and government spending, sir?
00:04:52.000If he believes in this greatest story ever told, how much dealings do you do with a totalitarian surveillance state like China who tortures all its people, right?
00:05:01.000Is the church going to be the church and stand up and do good instead of evil?
00:05:05.000You had Elon Musk on yesterday, your discussion about him.
00:05:47.000And he's also smart enough to know, you know, God the Father.
00:05:50.000You can also watch Indiana Jones where they try to open the Ark of the Covenant to see what God the Father and the wrath of God looks like, right?
00:06:40.000Cortez, you're Jesuit trained, although you played football, so I don't know actually how much Jesuit training seeped into you in your time in Georgetown.
00:07:08.000Thankfully, football at Georgetown saved me from the Jesuits there because the Jesuits intended to make me a leftist and an atheist.
00:07:19.000They succeeded in neither, thankfully.
00:07:21.000But the reason I bring that up is to sort of join this discussion and to empathize with our Protestant and evangelical brothers and sisters who are suffering from some high profile folks, theologians and pastors, who are really doing great damage to the integrity of the gospel and trying to politicize it with a leftist version of politics.
00:07:40.000Unfortunately, Steve, though, we Catholics can't get up on our high horse.
00:07:43.000We have exactly the same thing going on.
00:07:45.000We have celebrity priests like Father James Martin, a Jesuit priest who is constantly on the airways, very prominent on social media.
00:07:53.000And all he does basically is make excuses for thousands of years of Catholic doctrine and Catholic belief.
00:08:00.000And we have, even more importantly than that, the actual Catholic hierarchy here in the United States, the bishops, which time and again sell out the faith, sell out their parishioners, sell out the American people because they want to be accepted in what they deem to be polite society.
00:08:15.000And also, I would add, Steve, because the United States Conference of Catholic bishops has enormous financial incentives to cooperate with the Biden regime, particularly as it relates to open borders.
00:08:27.800You know, Christianity as a whole and certainly Catholicism has always believed in nations, right?
00:08:33.580All the way back to scripture, we find the word nations repeated constantly throughout the Bible.
00:08:37.720And the church has always believed in the sovereignty of nations.
00:08:41.200And one of the real great successes of Catholicism has been how it has been able to adapt itself in the many nations.
00:08:49.000Now we have Catholic bishops, major theologians going exactly the opposite direction and trying to pretend that globalism is somehow part and parcel with Catholicism or with Christianity, which, of course, is not the thing.
00:09:00.880So, listen, it's incumbent upon all of us as the faithful.
00:09:03.560And unfortunately, a lot of times it takes folks in the pew to stand up against the people in power, the people at the pulpit, whether they're pastors or priests.
00:09:10.920And we need to do that in this current age.
00:09:14.640Here's why this is important, and even for people that are not particularly of a religious bent.
00:09:19.260Very quickly, this national debate we're going to have about the direction of this country, about debt ceiling and what that means, increasing more debt and cutting federal spending and what the role is.
00:09:30.760Very quickly, this is going to get to a moral argument.
00:09:33.820You're going to have – they're going to come back.
00:09:35.020That's what I tell the Warren Posse every day.
00:09:36.580They're going to come back and say, hey, you're kicking people out into the street.
00:09:40.000You're taking stuff from the veterans.
00:09:46.520And they're going to go back to Christ as a social justice warrior in certain elements of the gospel of St. Matthew, right?
00:09:53.360You're going to see this over and over again, and they're going to wheel out a number of people that are prominent in the institutional Protestant church.
00:10:01.540You're going to see, obviously, you're going to see people, a lot of the traditional bishops in the Catholic church – not the traditional, but the liberal Catholic church.
00:10:11.600They're going to come at you from every different direction that you're a bad person, right, that you're a belief of this, you're a bad person, and you're going against the central tenets of the Judeo-Christian West by actually getting your hands around federal spending and making sure that we can save the economy and save people's own individual circumstance.
00:11:42.900Those people are not made in the image of God.
00:11:45.260The left refers to humanity, and this is just a disgrace in their own terms, to not treat these people as made in the image of God, our brothers and sisters.
00:11:57.820And you, the American people, need to wake up and start spending your dollars and saving your dollars for a rainy day in an emergency, which is about to come.
00:12:06.960But park in the rest of it and things that share the values and virtues that you hold dear from the Judeo-Christian West.
00:12:18.120It's important that we make the moral case for prosperity because the reason, the primary reason that we believe in broad prosperity, okay, in the principles of subsidiarity, meaning power, economic and political power, is diffused throughout the country as much as possible,
00:12:33.600is not so that gazillionaires can land helicopters on yachts.
00:12:38.140I mean, yes, that will happen, and that's fine, but that's not the goal.
00:12:41.420It's so that families can be prosperous and strong, so that they can support their churches, they can support their private schools, they can support all the institutions that form civil society, not centralized government power.
00:12:53.860And I would also add this, in all of human history, okay, you just have to be a student of history.
00:12:58.400The most fierce opponent of the church everywhere, when I say the church, I mean Protestant, Catholic, whatever, of the Christian church, has always been centralized state power.
00:13:08.200So the fact that the regime has been able to co-opt so many pastors, theologians, bishops, is really a shame, but it stands against the lessons of history, which again means that we need broad prosperity, we need power to be diffused, we need the principles of subsidiarity, and we need the church to be a check on state power rather than a partner with state power.
00:16:38.900By the way, we ask a lot of the Warren Posse as chairman of the Credits Committee and other things because you're the biggest activist in the country.
00:16:46.960You're not going to get a lot of hours of sleep, so you have to get a quality sleep.
00:30:09.860Cortez, walk us through where we are, what people think of this economy, sir.
00:30:15.400Yeah, so this is chart number two to the folks in the control room.
00:30:18.220This is from Fox News, brand new pulling out about the state of the economy.
00:30:21.940And they asked the question, for your family, is the economy getting better, worse, or the same?
00:30:26.26070%, and this is certainly, this affirms a lot of recent polling that we've seen.
00:30:32.020It's roughly in this area from 65% to 80%, given an extremely pessimistic view of their situation or the broad economy.
00:30:40.020But in this specific poll, 70% say the economy is getting worse for their family.
00:30:45.580That is the worst in the history of this poll.
00:30:48.800That specific polling goes back about two decades.
00:30:51.420So, again, Steve, unfortunately, we keep setting the worst kinds of records right now.
00:30:56.920The kinds of records that you do not want to set were either the worst ever or the worst since 08, 09 on so many metrics.
00:31:04.920You know, yesterday, Steve, we showed on the show the shipment of boxes, of boxes for shipping, cardboard boxes, other boxes for shipping.
00:31:10.880And we showed how that has dropped at a more precipitous pace than even the 08, 09 recession.
00:31:16.900I posted that after war on my social media, and that post really went nuts.
00:31:20.860I think lots of people who aren't political at all may not agree with us philosophically said, whoa, something is really going wrong here, right?
00:31:27.680I mean, if the trucks are telling us there's a problem, and if the paper box and cardboard box companies are telling us that their shipments are plunging, there are very real problems in the economy.
00:31:38.760You don't have to be an economist to know that at the kitchen table, when you're looking at your budget, you are incredibly stressed right now.
00:31:44.580There's great anxiety in the country, not my opinion, not yours, the opinion of the American people themselves.
00:31:50.140Hey, Steve, Steve, go back and tie that poll to the fact that we had above-expected consumer spending this time and why that's not sustainable.
00:32:08.260In this GDP report, and that does seem contradictory, right?
00:32:10.620Why would the GDP report have a relatively strong consumer component?
00:32:14.360Terrible overall GDP report, by the way.
00:32:16.400I mean, a massive miss, much slower growth than was expected, much higher inflation than was expected also within this report on the PCE gauge.
00:32:24.900So this was a very much stagflationary report.
00:32:28.080But to your question, Peter, within the report, why the consumer, I really believe a couple things.
00:32:33.160First, this is the last gasp for the consumer of the last of the stimulus that was incoming over the last couple of years, the exorbitant borrowed money that was funneled into the economy.
00:32:44.060But secondarily, that spending so far that is remaining is only coming from the high end because the middle and lower income segments of our society, we know, are in an incredibly perilous condition and have tapped out their credit card balances already.
00:32:59.140They do not have more credit to spend.
00:33:00.980So I believe that is an unsustainable and unrepeatable phenomenon.
00:33:04.720Without that, this would have been a negative report, and negative reports certainly beckon, unfortunately.
00:33:11.820If you take a cold look at the metrics, not just my ideological point of view because I'm such an opponent of Biden and what he's doing, I think if you just look at the numbers, you come to that conclusion.
00:33:20.360No, and the credit contraction is going to hit with like a double whammy.
00:33:24.540Okay, real quickly, this whole issue of DeSantis, now Nikki's taking the position, President Trump, there's a very tough article in LifeSite News about is President Trump actually running to the left of MAGA?
00:33:38.840We don't have time today, and I want to have a more thorough and thoughtful discussion of that, about Disney and all the situation, taking on the woke corporations.
00:33:47.340I do want to, Steve, before you bounce and give your sub stack, your assessment, Dr. Jeffrey Tucker at Brownstone Institute has done a great job of deconstructing Tony Fauci's interview with the New York Times.
00:34:03.680What's your overall thought on this, Cortez, before you lose you?
00:34:07.580Yes, well, and by the way, Brownstone's doing amazing work.
00:34:09.940I encourage folks to follow them and read them.
00:34:12.040I think that's really one of the emerging platforms and publications and thought platforms for our movement.
00:34:18.200Dr. Fauci, let's face it, okay, is engaging, and I'm not surprised because he's a thoroughly dishonest man, but he's engaging in some significant revisionism right now, trying to clean up his record.
00:34:28.680Because he knows that the more we learn about the consequences of the lockdowns, how little they did to prevent the virus, and how much damage they did and are still doing to our society, we see this blatant revisionism from people like Fauci, who had the gall to say that he was not part of shutting down schools.
00:34:45.080And the New York Times, rather than pushing back, rather than showing him the evidence of his own pronouncements, instead just parrots it and becomes a PR platform for Fauci.
00:34:55.500We see a very similar phenomenon from Randy Weigarten, the head of the teachers' union, who similarly says, wait, what, shut down schools?
00:35:01.820I didn't have any part in shutting down the schools.
00:35:39.200Yeah, peternavarro.substack.com, trying to be the Mike Tyson of Substacks, playing to the long game.
00:35:47.880This is what we're trying to immerse you in information.
00:35:50.360Also, make sure you go to birchgold.com slash warroom to get the End of the Dollar Empire three-part series, all free.
00:35:57.540We're going to have more installments coming out.
00:35:59.580The latest one will put you into the mindset of what the debt trap is and what this debt ceiling fight's all about.
00:36:05.160Also, you can talk to them, Philip Patrick and the team, about your 401k, IRA, all of it, and particularly about why central banks are buying all this gold.
00:36:14.300Okay, I'm going to get into this with you, but the great article in foreign policy yesterday, their lead story finally catching up to the fact.
00:36:58.240And while at face value, it might seem like the piece is going to be critical of the former director of the National Institutes of Health Agency, NIAID, it really is quite, quite, quite different.
00:37:09.680But before we get into the actual contents of the article, it's pretty funny.
00:37:13.120They have this huge black and white, very dramatic glamour shot of Anthony Fauci on the cover of the magazine for the story.
00:37:20.940And I think it really speaks kind of the psychology behind that, how this article was actually supposed to be a PR puff piece for Fauci.
00:37:29.420Obviously, this comes on the heel of PBS's documentary on him and, of course, the never-ending media farewell tour that he did.
00:37:37.360But what's really interesting about this article in particular is that Anthony Fauci always loves to say, right, that he's so good at media.
00:37:44.700And he's testified in front of Congress for so long and so many times.
00:37:49.020But 99% of the time when he was talking, right, it was about stuff that most Americans didn't necessarily understand, right?
00:37:57.380He was talking at a very high level about viruses and diseases and vaccines and stuff that they use big words and complex terminology.
00:38:04.660So most Americans, myself included, can't always understand at first grasp.
00:38:09.120But what's so interesting and where I think Anthony Fauci is really exposing himself here, which really I think then begs the question is, has anything he ever said actually been true or accurate, is that Americans know the realities, the very dark realities of the COVID-19 pandemic and how Anthony Fauci really was to blame for a lot of these horrible policies, whether it was the lockdowns, the mask mandates, pushing vaccines.
00:38:31.080But what's really interesting, and I won't read all the quotes, although I will say it would be worth-
00:38:35.420Not to mention that he caused the virus to be spawned in the lab to begin with.
00:38:44.940I want to read one quote because he says, but if all gain-of-function research stops, you will have no vaccines for flu.
00:38:51.840You will have no vaccines for any other diseases because all of that manipulates a virus or a pathogen to gain a certain function to be able to make a vaccine.
00:38:59.900So even though he thinks he's making a case for gain-of-function research there, he's actually, I think, in other words, incriminating himself in terms of funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology and gain-of-function research and the broader problem that we always raise on the show, which is the same people who are engaged in pandemic prevention, were doing so to create the vaccines that they made billions, if not trillions of dollars off of.
00:39:25.520I want to go back to the most amazing part of your book, the first book, which is quite amazing, is the confrontation you have with Fauci.
00:39:34.060On the very first moment, the very first moment this thing's happened, I think it's the 25th of January.
00:39:39.160We've actually started, we're in pandemic.
00:39:41.080We've been talking, you know, we've got Hadfield in studio as one of our co-hosts at the time.
00:39:45.520You guys, over the National Security Council, the first time you meet, did Tony Fauci, in the time you knew him in that first six months, did he ever mention to you, when you're in all these meetings, etc., did he ever mention to you at all that he had had some sort of partnership in Wuhan and actually knew that they were doing gain-of-function?
00:40:08.860No, Steve, in the Taking Back Trump's America book, I walked through Fauci's biggest crime, which was the lie of omission.
00:40:17.840I go into the sit room, it's January 27th, 2020, and I'm seeing this pandemic coming at us because people like Bannon and Miles Guo in the war room had raised alarms and I'm watching the data.
00:40:33.580And Fauci, I had this great debate with Fauci about whether or not to support Trump's travel ban, which would save, like, millions of lives.
00:40:48.160I'd never met Fauci in my life before, didn't know he walked on water, and I came out of there thinking he was an arrogant prick, let me just say that on the air, who thought more of himself than he should have.
00:41:00.880Now, here's the point, Steve, the big lie of omission there, when he was sitting there in front of me, he knew that he had funded gain-of-function research in the Wuhan lab.
00:41:14.080He knew that that virus, in all likelihood, came from that Wuhan lab, and he was already contacting, because there was an email flow, contacting his academic people to spin a web that this came from nature.
00:41:35.380He knew all of that, Steve, and now why that matters is that he had to just come clean right then and said, that thing came from the lab, and we were able to put pressure on the communist Chinese to give us the genome sequence.
00:41:52.040We would have got a vaccine, possibly, that actually worked.
00:42:00.140And for these people at the New York Times who have no conscience to throw softball interviews at these people and let him spin his way out of this, it's just wrong.
00:42:11.000Natalie Winters, you have done more than probably any person, with Raheem Ghassamo National Pulse in our war room,
00:42:16.540to focus on Fauci at the time of what was said and what was reality and what we know reality.
00:42:23.060To Peter's point, when I read this interview, it's not just what a monster, at what scale he's a monster at.
00:42:31.080It is that the paper of record of this country is literally going to be the pulling guard for this guy.
00:42:34.980They're going to be the Praetorian guard around Fauci.
00:42:55.900And although I like to talk, I'll let Anthony Fauci speak because there's a wonderful quote that I think really speaks to his mindset throughout this whole pandemic.
00:43:03.440He said, in speaking about vaccines, you had people who were on the fence about getting vaccinated thinking, why are they forcing me to do this?
00:43:12.060And that sometimes beautiful, independent streak in our country becomes counterproductive.
00:43:18.180In other words, Anthony Fauci has never, ever, ever supported freedom.
00:43:22.140And I think this global health movement, the Bill Gates's of the world, it's antithetical to American values of freedom and liberty.
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00:47:39.420But my point is that in the course of that investigation with an independent commission, presidential commission, which, you know, the Kennedy assassination, Pearl Harbor, all sorts of stuff, we would have nailed Tony Fauci.
00:47:52.900There was nowhere to run, nowhere to hide because his agency funded the gain of research function that created that virus or at least gave him the technology to create the virus.
00:48:05.680Natalie Winters is telling us now they've done all the things in Ukraine and they're in the Sudan.
00:48:11.760We've got a bioweapons lab in the Sudan.
00:48:13.620Natalie Winters, you're – and we're going to talk about what you're going to be doing in the future.
00:48:18.160But this is – you're the tip of the spear here.
00:48:19.760How do we hold Tony Fauci, this monster, accountable, ma'am?
00:48:24.020Well, this article juxtaposed with the deposition that Anthony Fauci gave is very, very, very stark because if people remember, the only thing he could really say when he was being questioned under the penalty of perjury
00:48:37.220Meanwhile, the New York Times, he can wax on for paragraph after paragraph talking about all the great decisions he made.
00:48:43.320But I think this is a perfect example where the right can use the left's tactics of lawfare when we talk about how we want AGs to go after the Clintons, just like they're going after Trump.
00:49:08.640So I think the right needs to do what the left has done, come to obviously a very different conclusion, but actually have some sort of special commission where we dig into not just Fauci, but his wife, his kids, and everyone because the conflicts of interest really do exist there.
00:49:25.860Let me – you're seeing – look, and people – they're working on the main and one things up there.
00:49:31.760But you've seen the weaponization of government committee and judiciary with what they did in New York and other places.
00:49:36.560You've seen oversight with Comer and people trying to make an effort and know they're trying to hire staff.
00:49:42.040But given that we're dealing with monsters – this is my point.
00:49:45.740The Republicans come in, and they're decent people, and they play by the rules, and they have a certain mindset of how they were raised and how they think government works, et cetera.
00:49:53.240It's not what these people think, and this is why I need people to read the Brownstone Institute.
00:49:59.700We'll put up on the site some of Natalie Winters' analysis and just read the New York Times piece and then compare it.
00:50:05.200Yes, we'll put the articles up by his deposition.
00:51:08.160I think we have a lot of congressmen on this show, but I haven't seen the fire on the Hill.
00:51:17.300We need Anthony Fauci sitting there and testifying because when he is under the penalty of perjury, what he says is a lot different than this BS that's printed in the New York Times.
00:51:27.300And that's how you actually get indictments and actual legal ramifications.
00:51:31.760And frankly, I know we have the COVID Commission and the China Commission and the weaponization.
00:51:37.740But I don't know why there's not a Fauci committee because we need to make an example out of him.
00:51:42.000There's no amnesty for someone who really destroyed this country all the way from the vaccines to the mask mandates to the Wuhan Institute.