Bannon's War Room - Episode 2694： Mainstream Media, The Gateway Into Consensus Reality

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:05.920 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.160 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:15.420 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:17.360 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:18.780 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:21.460 It's going to happen.

00:00:22.720 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:26.120 MAGA Media.

00:00:27.040 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:32.920 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:36.680 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:43.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:00:51.360 I feel like we almost need to do a public service announcement to young conservatives.

00:00:55.860 Because when I was younger, we would try to emulate Ronald Reagan.

00:01:01.400 And the positive, the optimism, I still have it.

00:01:04.620 I still think America's greatest days lie ahead.

00:01:07.760 I still think, you know, we can find a middle ground.

00:01:12.220 We don't have to be hateful.

00:01:13.980 I mean, that shaped at least me and a lot of other people growing up to believe that you can disagree with everything that Tip O'Neill believes and Tip O'Neill can disagree with everything that you believe in.

00:01:29.100 And yet, at the end of the day, you can talk and have a rule that at six o'clock at night, which they did, politics was put to the side and they became friends.

00:01:38.360 Never became personal.

00:01:41.420 And think about what they were able to accomplish.

00:01:44.780 We've, unfortunately, conservatives have been growing up over the past five, six, seven, eight years thinking the way to win is to be hateful.

00:01:52.600 The way to win is to lie.

00:01:54.280 The way to win is, I hate to use this word, but with Tucker Carlson, it fits better than anything.

00:01:59.640 The gaslighting, the very things that are a lie, you call it the truth and say they want, they don't want you, they're lying to you when they tell you this about January 6th.

00:02:10.340 So they're lying to you and we're the only ones telling you the truth and da, da, da, da, da.

00:02:15.260 And people watching, for the most part, they dig below it.

00:02:19.620 Let's take his face off, please. 0.87

00:02:20.940 I want to talk.

00:02:21.520 I'd rather look at David while I'm saying this.

00:02:24.000 They know he's lying.

00:02:25.240 They know he's lying.

00:02:26.520 But they think, oh, wow, he's getting away with it.

00:02:29.000 I can get away with it.

00:02:30.860 I just feel like we need to just stop at this point.

00:02:34.680 And as I've been saying for the last year, the laws of gravity are returning.

00:02:40.580 That if you lie about parents whose five-year-old children were slaughtered, you will go bankrupt.

00:02:49.260 If you try to beat the hell out of cops who were trying to stop a riot to overthrow the federal government, you will be thrown in jail.

00:03:03.060 If, and I could go on and on and on.

00:03:06.140 There are consequences, even for Tucker Carlson, the most powerful person in cable news, the most powerful person at Fox.

00:03:14.660 There are consequences to all of these actions.

00:03:20.120 And nobody's perfect.

00:03:22.360 But the arrogance, the arrogance that we've seen time and time again, fueled by Trumpism, is just getting called out time and time again.

00:03:32.000 By the way, by liberal judges, by moderate judges, and by conservative federalist society judges.

00:03:41.740 Well, that's exactly right, Joe.

00:03:43.720 And, you know, I think it's really important to put out where Republican morality has failed, in many ways, the law has prevailed.

00:03:50.840 And that's what you're talking about with the prosecution of the January 6th defendants, where you're talking about the giant settlement that Fox has paid to Dominion.

00:04:01.300 Probably more checks to come in the future.

00:04:03.420 And even in the Tucker Carlson situation, there's reporting that the Abby Grossberg lawsuit that was exposing sexism and bigotry in the workplace was a factor in Tucker Carlson's fight.

00:04:16.480 Okay, we're going to put a pin in it right there.

00:04:20.320 We're going to get back to that control room.

00:04:22.220 Just hold it right there because that's so – I actually thought – my producer said before, hey, they've got a PSA up.

00:04:28.560 I actually thought – I'll get the fish hook out right now.

00:04:30.560 I actually thought it was a PSA.

00:04:32.100 We've got Burquam and Anthony Aguero down at the border.

00:04:35.660 Big breaking news about when Title 42 lifts this invasion, as we talked about last night on the 6 o'clock show.

00:04:42.060 I've got the Darren Beattie from Revolver.

00:04:46.980 I could play another five minutes of that because Joe and them are on a roll.

00:04:50.020 But the obsession with Tucker Carlson, the obsession with our populist nationalist movement, 60 Minutes with Revolver, you see right there, they're frothing at the mouth.

00:05:00.740 This is their target.

00:05:02.440 Somebody put up an ad last night, one of the PACs, that they're running against ultra-MAGA.

00:05:07.960 They're running against MAGA extremism.

00:05:09.760 Your thoughts and observations, sir?

00:05:12.220 Well, there's a lot going on there, as you say.

00:05:14.800 I mean, one clear dimension that's barely beneath the subtext is extreme, bubbling, professional jealousy.

00:05:25.340 I mean, it must bother them to no end that Tucker Carlson just left them in the dust as far as ratings.

00:05:32.760 And also, they might have still some smidgen of conscience left buried deep down in them that tells them that Tucker's actually saying things that they kind of think they should say,

00:05:44.240 but they're too scared, and they sold themselves a long time ago.

00:05:47.880 So I think there's a lot of interesting—

00:05:49.360 And cheap.

00:05:49.840 And Tucker's making $20 million.

00:05:51.480 We're a free market society.

00:05:53.080 Tucker's making $20 million a year.

00:05:54.780 All these guys combined aren't making $20 million a year.

00:05:57.100 Exactly.

00:05:57.920 So there are so many reasons for just personal and professional resentment that come to the fore when you listen to these things.

00:06:05.460 But then there's the broader issue of simply, as I've said in other contexts, I've said on this show, now I'm thrilled to be in studio to be able to say it again in person, is that, you know, Tucker Carlson was a fluke on national television.

00:06:18.720 You know, it's one thing, you know, I came to the war room all the time.

00:06:21.580 We talked about the January 6th stuff all the time.

00:06:23.960 That's for a special audience.

00:06:25.520 That's for an informed audience.

00:06:27.160 That's for an engaged audience.

00:06:28.780 But to speak to a national audience on primetime, you're not supposed to be allowed to talk about—you're not—you've got to stay very, very carefully in the playpen.

00:06:38.940 You've got to be like Kilmeade and just, you know, give the yuck-yuck, give the slop.

00:06:44.940 I call it cattle slop.

00:06:46.540 You've just got to give slop gruel to the cattle. 1.00

00:06:49.780 And that's all you're supposed to do.

00:06:51.080 And it looks like that's where Fox is going right now.

00:06:53.500 100%.

00:06:53.820 They're returning to the era of cattle slop.

00:06:56.460 Hang on, when we say returning.

00:06:57.460 Tucker, with the hour of populist nationalism every night, and he had a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of people that are registered Republican that are really kind of low-information voters when you consider the readers of Revolver and War Room are activists that are engaged every day.

00:07:14.260 Tucker was reaching them, and he was reaching what I call the Bernie Bros or Tim Pool audience, African-Americans and young, disaffected males who, you know, think they're being lied to.

00:07:25.400 That was the new audience he was bringing in.

00:07:27.040 The rest of Fox, even to the degree they started to come over to the right, because Tucker's audience was so big, and it was becoming a gravitational pull to do that.

00:07:37.000 They're going to go back to the standard.

00:07:38.300 Look, the Murdochs who made the decision to fire him because they wanted that, they don't want populist nationalism in that slot, are, you know, they're all about, you know, neoliberal neocons.

00:07:52.200 They have the RNC talking points.

00:07:53.920 You're going to get Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton, the support of the wars, the support of Wall Street, don't go too hard on the budget deficits, all of that.

00:08:01.600 That's what Tucker was counter to in reaching a broader audience.

00:08:05.280 But why did these people go after him as an extremist?

00:08:09.880 This is the mantra they're doing.

00:08:12.180 You see it here now on MSNBC.

00:08:13.760 Is Tucker Carlson an extremist? 0.95

00:08:15.080 Well, I mean, he's an extremist with respect to the radical and malicious agenda of the corrupt and illegitimate filth that run the regime.

00:08:26.200 He's not an extremist with respect to the interests and beliefs of the American people.

00:08:31.600 In fact, he's very much in line with those interests and beliefs, and his ratings speak for that.

00:08:36.760 So the idea of calling the person who has the highest rated show on national television an extremist, I mean, you might as well call the vast majority of the American people extremist, which is frankly what they do.

00:08:50.680 It has nothing to do with one's orientation relative to others.

00:08:56.040 Because extremism is simply a disparaging term they use to refer to anyone who objects to the masters who control them, to the Murdochs, to the handful of powerful and corrupt people who think they have the right to dictate opinion to the rest of the American masses.

00:09:15.400 So the extremists, like so many other terms that they use, disinformation, whatnot, all the terms they use are not only fake, but they're actually telling because they actually describe what the people using them are and what they're doing.

00:09:29.560 I want to go to – we've got Ben Berquam on the border.

00:09:32.940 I want to talk about this extremism for a second because it's one of the things that Tucker would very much focus on.

00:09:37.200 I also think Tucker was very close to President Trump, and you and I have this debate behind the scenes, you know, brotherly fight, me with the CCP, you saying the administrative state, the deep state's the number one enemy, not the CCP.

00:09:51.520 I think Tucker and the president would come down on your side, that the administrative state, the deep state, which I rank number two, is the most mortal threat.

00:09:59.280 Let's go to the border, and here's why.

00:10:00.780 Yesterday on this show, we had a congressman, Andy Biggs, that sat there and said he just got off a conference call with certain executives in big counties on the border in Arizona.

00:10:11.760 And they were telling them they had just had a briefing by Border Patrol that says along the southern border of the United States, there's 700,000 to a million illegal aliens prepared.

00:10:23.620 When Title 42 comes off, they're basically prepared, he said, to storm the gates, and the Border Patrol is not prepared for it.

00:10:31.440 The Biden regime is not prepared for this.

00:10:33.380 So this Title 42 that comes off is going to be something.

00:10:37.140 And, of course, the mainstream media will not cover this.

00:10:39.180 In fact, Joe Scarborough said right there, for us even talking about it, we're extremists.

00:10:43.000 Do we have Ben Berquam, Real America's Voice, Ben Berquam, and Brother Aguero down?

00:10:48.400 Ben, where are you guys today?

00:10:49.600 I'm over here in Matamoros, Steve.

00:10:53.640 I'm right on the Mexico side of the border.

00:10:55.900 Anthony is on the other side in Brownsville.

00:10:57.880 We were reporting from there yesterday.

00:10:58.960 I'm actually in that camp we were in about a month ago, and it has grown probably double or triple what it was then.

00:11:05.480 It had over 1,000 then.

00:11:06.980 It has more than that now.

00:11:08.960 And what's happening is as they come in, they're just going across. 0.96

00:11:11.540 We have 2,000 people a day crossing here.

00:11:14.200 And I was interviewing people this morning, and they're all saying the CVP-1 isn't working, as Mayorkas lied yesterday again and said it was.

00:11:22.600 It's just an absolute joke.

00:11:24.200 And this is before Title 42 goes away.

00:11:26.520 They are lining up.

00:11:27.520 They are mobilizing.

00:11:28.640 And it's going to be a mass invasion when that goes away.

00:11:31.920 It's already a mass invasion, but it's even going to be worse.

00:11:36.140 Hang on.

00:11:36.720 I'm going to come to you guys.

00:11:37.400 Just hold it for one second.

00:11:38.860 This is one of the things that Tucker very much focused on, the invasion of the southern border.

00:11:42.840 Absolutely.

00:11:43.700 And for that, they call them a white nationalist, a white supremacist, which is not the case whatsoever.

00:11:49.920 One of the things is not these people are suffering in these camps.

00:11:54.000 You saw 42 of them, I think, died in a fire a couple weeks ago.

00:11:57.580 But this is the mainstream media.

00:11:59.160 We had Todd Benzman in there yesterday in Reynoso, or just got back to Reynoso.

00:12:02.500 15,000 Haitians are waiting for Title 42.

00:12:05.960 How can a guy like Tucker Carlson report that fact, which you see on his show more than all Fox combined, about this, and he's called an extremist?

00:12:15.560 Well, again, I mean, these are the things that the American people care about, but you're not supposed to talk about, according to the corrupt and illegitimate filth that run the regime,

00:12:25.800 and who are, by the way, actively sponsoring this invasion of the country.

00:12:31.480 So, I mean, in the grand sweep of history, I don't think there's ever been a precedent whereby the illegitimate rulers of a regime,

00:12:43.220 no matter how bad they are, no matter what kind of iniquities they visit upon their people,

00:12:49.500 I've never heard of an instance of them just welcoming this mass invasion in order to dispossess their own people.

00:12:57.520 Even Chairman Mao in China, who is one of the most brutal and murderous dictators in history,

00:13:04.980 I like to speculate, can you imagine somebody going up to Mao, one of his advisors, and saying,

00:13:10.120 you know, I've got a great idea, why don't we open up the borders to China and just allow a mass invasion such that 1.00

00:13:16.220 in 40 or 50 years, China will no longer be Chinese. 0.55

00:13:20.440 Even the sociopath, you know, devil Mao would look that person in the eye and say, 1.00

00:13:26.300 are you insane? 1.00

00:13:27.880 I think it'd actually be a bullet to the back of the head, knowing the way Mao rolled. 1.00

00:13:32.240 Okay, real quickly, I want to go back to Ben. 0.91

00:13:34.540 Ben, you talk to CP1, it's an app.

00:13:37.720 It is, it's not just an invitation anymore.

00:13:41.340 There's an organized process for the invasion of our country that's quite well thought through. 0.95

00:13:46.820 Am I correct, sir?

00:13:47.580 Yes, and if you listen to the press conference yesterday, everything he said, it's all doublespeak.

00:13:54.800 He's saying, we're going to close it, the borders closed, but then he says he's expanding it to Nicaragua and Honduras.

00:14:00.540 Everything they say is the exact opposite, and we're down here talking to people.

00:14:04.100 You can see behind me, we have women and children, thousands of them in this slop, in this filth, 1.00

00:14:08.540 living down here because they've gotten the invitation from Joe Biden, and now they're here.

00:14:12.760 They're ready to go.

00:14:13.640 It's setting it up.

00:14:14.380 Basically, Washington, D.C. set up this disaster so that then they can say, oh, see, now we have to do something about it.

00:14:20.720 But they created it.

00:14:21.900 They created this entire thing, and it's all on them.

00:14:24.880 And like you said, it's an app.

00:14:26.240 They can't run the app.

00:14:27.240 I think they don't want to run the app.

00:14:28.540 I think they want this to happen.

00:14:30.820 Right.

00:14:32.100 Ben Burkaw, I'm Real America's Voice.

00:14:33.860 Anthony Aguero is down on the U.S. side.

00:14:37.320 I've got Darren Beattie, the founder, publisher, editor of Revolver News, very close to Tucker Carlson.

00:14:44.000 Been on the show a lot.

00:14:45.040 In fact, 60 minutes went after Tucker, but there was 15 mentions of Revolver about the Ray Ebb situation.

00:14:53.000 Short commercial break.

00:14:53.780 Also, Richard Barris.

00:14:55.220 Some unbelievable polling from Emerson.

00:14:57.340 Going to get to all that next.

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00:16:24.780 Your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:28.800 Okay, welcome back.

00:16:30.480 We've got an all-star lineup today.

00:16:32.480 I want to get back.

00:16:33.180 Matt Boyle wrote an incredible piece.

00:16:36.560 And just to make sure people know, Matt is the lead political editor, I think the national political editor at Breitbart.

00:16:43.020 And his first job was with Tucker Carlson over at Daily Caller.

00:16:47.380 Matt was also very close to Andrew Breitbart.

00:16:51.420 Matt came over to Breitbart from Daily Caller, stayed very close to Tucker.

00:16:58.540 Matt was the guy with Tony Lee.

00:17:00.980 I sicked on Megyn Kelly and the Fox team after the first debate in 2015, 2015, the first debate, when they tried to kneecap Trump. 1.00

00:17:12.140 Brett Baer and Megyn Kelly tried to kneecap Trump in the first eight minutes of that. 0.80

00:17:16.360 So those guys went after her.

00:17:17.960 And the rest is history.

00:17:19.200 Breitbart didn't back down.

00:17:20.200 One of the reasons we didn't back down, we had no financial relationship with Fox.

00:17:24.160 And I had done that on purpose.

00:17:25.340 I had a great relationship and a lot of respect for Roger Ailes.

00:17:27.960 But Ailes would tell you, when Murdoch wanted something, and Murdoch wanted that, Murdoch wanted the hit on Trump right of the box in 2015.

00:17:37.560 Now, Matt's done an incredible job.

00:17:40.120 This piece is very well reported, researched.

00:17:45.280 And that's just because it reinforces what I've been saying.

00:17:47.520 But what they've done, they've made a strategic decision.

00:17:52.460 They want that block back at 8 o'clock at night.

00:17:55.740 They don't want Tucker Carlson talking to 4 million, 4.5 million people who are not just Trump supporters, but other people, too, talking populism, nationalism, talking about the administrative state, talking about the deep state, bringing up all the topics he would bring up.

00:18:13.180 Look at Tucker in the last two weeks, a great interview with Trump, but a great interview with Bobby Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:18:19.880 And Tucker's always, I mean, quite frankly, the 60 Minutes thing, they went after Tucker personally.

00:18:25.540 But the whole thing was popping up revolver where Tucker had given you the platform to get to a broader audience on the J6 and the Ray Epps piece.

00:18:34.160 Give me your assessment.

00:18:34.980 And here's the thing with the Breitbart article.

00:18:38.500 What they intend to do, and they may not be able to do it for a whole host of reasons, but what they intend to do is continue to pay Tucker the $20 million a year and keep him off of it.

00:18:48.440 Because Tucker, he could go build his own channel.

00:18:51.060 He could join a channel.

00:18:52.260 He could build a live stream.

00:18:53.960 He's got every option.

00:18:55.040 When you, that kind of audience, in his little video the other night, the two-minute video, I think he's got 70 million downloads.

00:19:01.300 So he can do anything he wants.

00:19:03.240 Right.

00:19:03.480 But remember, they're $20 million to them, and they're tight as ticks, but $20 million to them is tip money to keep him off.

00:19:11.680 And this was my pitch at CPAC.

00:19:13.600 The Murdoch's number one objective is to stop populist nationalism.

00:19:18.100 That is what they want to do.

00:19:19.680 They are neoliberal neocons, part of the globalist system.

00:19:24.360 And that's why they took Tucker Carlson off.

00:19:26.280 You, as close as anybody, your thoughts and observations.

00:19:29.740 No, I think it's a very perceptive analysis.

00:19:32.180 The Breitbart piece by Boyle.

00:19:33.840 It's probably the best one that I've seen analyzing the issue.

00:19:37.920 It kind of harkens back to the golden era of Breitbart.

00:19:42.020 It's kind of nostalgic.

00:19:43.340 Let's not go there.

00:19:44.160 Let's not go there.

00:19:45.160 Let's not go there.

00:19:46.020 No.

00:19:46.520 But Boyle, he's still on point.

00:19:48.360 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:49.600 No, and it's very perceptive.

00:19:51.480 And again, structurally, it makes sense.

00:19:55.140 There's the managerial aspect.

00:19:58.260 Murdoch's, they want to restore that kind of top-down narrative control where everybody is on message and the same thing.

00:20:06.320 They have little mediocre puppets like Killmead and the other jokesters who just kind of drink their coffee and laugh.

00:20:14.880 And, you know, it's just completely vacuous.

00:20:17.600 It's what I call cattle slop.

00:20:19.180 They want to go back to just slopping, giving the cattle their slop.

00:20:23.620 And unfortunately, a lot of people, you know, they're okay with that.

00:20:26.900 But that's where they want to go.

00:20:28.440 They want to return to the top-down narrative control.

00:20:31.900 Tucker could not be controlled.

00:20:33.340 And also, there was a dimension of the Boyle piece about Bongino.

00:20:37.320 Bongino similarly couldn't be controlled.

00:20:39.700 And it just so happens to be that Tucker and Bongino were the only people on Fox that would talk about Revolver News, talk about the January 6th.

00:20:50.200 You know, it's just – it's a remarkable coincidence there.

00:20:56.720 But, yes, they want to take Tucker off the table.

00:20:59.420 They want to take that message off the table.

00:21:01.420 Well, as I pointed out, it was a fluke that Tucker was on national TV in the first place.

00:21:05.760 He kind of got his position because the Murdochs tried so hard to kill Trump in 2016.

00:21:12.540 And when they failed, even the Murdochs knew that they had to pay some kind of lip service to the populist nationalist movement that Trump represented.

00:21:20.720 So they say, okay, we'll give Tucker this slot here.

00:21:23.960 Little did they know that, you know, Tucker was not a Killmead.

00:21:27.320 Tucker was something completely different, completely unique with respect not only to his colleagues at Fox but with respect to the entire American media.

00:21:36.560 Well, he combined a unique intellect that – he's a curious guy.

00:21:42.660 So he's got a deep intellect and curious.

00:21:45.400 Number two, he's always been anti-authoritarian.

00:21:47.700 Even at Daily Caller where he and I disagreed, Breitbart was a much more populist nationalist.

00:21:51.480 He was not at the time.

00:21:52.880 He's always been anti-authoritarian and kind of anti-establishment.

00:21:56.020 Right.

00:21:56.480 Right?

00:21:56.740 He had that streak.

00:21:58.060 Then you add the facts and his staff.

00:22:00.660 People forget he built – that team of producers and writers were the best in primetime on legacy media, bar none.

00:22:08.320 I mean he had a team – it's one of the reasons McCarthy came to him with the 41,000 hours.

00:22:13.380 Right.

00:22:13.400 It just wasn't Tucker himself.

00:22:14.940 It was the team that he had built that could go through the video and make his pieces.

00:22:19.260 It was the best produced show on legacy mainstream media primetime.

00:22:25.660 I would say Rachel Maddow is that level.

00:22:27.400 That's how good – I think Maddow is a well-produced – I don't agree with her content but it's a well-produced show.

00:22:31.300 Tucker was so much above the rest of the Fox stuff.

00:22:34.580 Right.

00:22:34.880 Right.

00:22:35.060 And the rest, quite frankly, the last stuff you see on conservative TV.

00:22:37.480 It's interesting you bring up Maddow because the ratings are certainly not comparable.

00:22:42.860 But if we look at the content though – and I'm not incredibly familiar with Maddow's show so maybe I'm wrong here – but there are numerous instances.

00:22:51.320 As I pointed out, Tucker is unique not only with respect to Fox News, with respect to the American media generally.

00:22:57.260 And there are a number of critical instances in which Tucker Carlson was the lone voice of dissent, the lone alternative view with respect to the broad sweep of American media as such.

00:23:10.220 I can't think of a single example in which Maddow or anyone else can say we're the only people on American media covering this alternative point of view on a critical issue.

00:23:24.180 Tucker was the only person who did that, especially when it came to foreign policy.

00:23:28.100 The one that jumps off the page, obviously, is Ukraine.

00:23:31.320 Right.

00:23:31.420 I mean, he was the only voice – I mean, MSNBC and CNN have gone all in to the deep state.

00:23:36.080 Absolutely.

00:23:36.560 Where it was the New York Times and the Washington Post that broke these massive stories of the Pentagon Papers, all back in the 60s and 70s.

00:23:43.000 That's gone.

00:23:43.560 They're the PR department for the regime.

00:23:48.440 Right.

00:23:48.600 It was Tucker, and I think that – hey, don't let it be lost on people.

00:23:52.080 His stance on Ukraine and the intellectual rigor he brought to that not only helped all of us change the attitude on the Ukraine – people have been anti this Ukraine war from the beginning.

00:24:01.580 But he was starting to get noticed because it's in prime time, and he's getting people that are not already activists and true believers, but he's getting those – what I call the entrepreneurial class or managerial class that is really, quite frankly, low information when it comes to politics.

00:24:15.940 Right.

00:24:16.160 Getting those – exposing those to – well, hold it.

00:24:18.560 I thought the – you know, Nikki Haley told me this was for freedom and democracy.

00:24:21.560 Exactly.

00:24:22.020 Right?

00:24:22.200 I'm hearing something different.

00:24:23.300 What?

00:24:23.640 You know, Tim Scott and all the guys in South Carolina or Lindsey and everybody are telling me it's all – you know, we should be doing this like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:24:34.500 And then you heard one of the very first pieces Politico did was how in the Pentagon they're laughing.

00:24:40.760 They're celebrating.

00:24:41.480 They're celebrating.

00:24:42.380 They're saying this is great.

00:24:43.400 They're high-fiving.

00:24:44.580 You know, Tucker Carlson's gone.

00:24:45.720 What does that say about – what does that say about the military-industrial complex?

00:24:49.660 Well, what it says is that all prime time media – and again, we can get to the 60 minutes thing because they're a clear example of this – all legacy prime time media, all of it is effectively state-controlled media.

00:25:03.960 Tucker was the lone exception.

00:25:05.340 Now he's gone.

00:25:06.340 Now he's gone. 0.93

00:25:07.340 And of course, the military-industrial complex cheers because – especially in the Pentagon they're cheering because not only did Tucker expose the hypocrisy and the ridiculousness of the stated war aims, he exposed the ridiculousness and incompetence on the personnel level. 0.88

00:25:25.660 Just how self-important and utterly mediocre these military officials really are at the highest levels in the Pentagon. 0.96

00:25:34.180 These people are empty suits.

00:25:36.260 They're nothings.

00:25:36.660 All they do is coast along, taking their marching orders from lobbyists and the defense contractors until they can retire and take a nice $40,000, $50,000 a month contract from some Middle Eastern country.

00:25:52.740 That's basically –

00:25:53.660 Or get on the border, get on the border, Raytheon.

00:25:55.640 Exactly.

00:25:55.940 Like in Austin.

00:25:56.640 And another guy – another person thought like that was Donald Trump.

00:25:59.140 Let's go.

00:25:59.460 Let me go to Ben Burkwam.

00:26:00.800 Ben, you see this in the coverage of this border crisis.

00:26:04.540 We have congressmen tell 700,000 – or people in Arizona, officials saying 700,000 to a million, they're being told, are prepped now at the border after Title 42 comes off, a potential massive surge, that they're blaming – they're blaming Republicans to try to balance the budget.

00:26:22.840 It's now the Republicans that are taking all the guys off the border.

00:26:26.140 Ben Burkwam, your analysis, sir.

00:26:31.480 Steve, I've got to put the backpack down for this.

00:26:33.640 I was actually walking through the camp, but this one pisses me off so much.

00:26:36.940 Hang on a second.

00:26:37.520 Actually, let me walk and talk as we talk about this, just the abject lies coming from Joe Biden to blame the Republicans.

00:26:45.880 And just make no mistake, the only reason why – I've got to clarify this.

00:26:48.940 Nobody has said this yet so far.

00:26:50.460 The only reason why they want more money is to give more money to the United Nations, to the NGOs that are operating this child trafficking and trafficking operation down here.

00:27:00.840 They don't want to actually fix the problem.

00:27:02.240 They don't want more money for Border Patrol.

00:27:03.860 They don't want more money for fencing and walls.

00:27:05.580 They don't want more money for infrastructure.

00:27:07.240 They want more money so that they can pay off the NGOs that are profiting billions of dollars.

00:27:12.300 It's an absolute lie.

00:27:13.780 Not only should the Republicans not give more money to this.

00:27:16.280 The first thing, every single House Republican, if you're watching this, every single citizen in America needs to call your House Republicans and say, defund these NGOs.

00:27:25.000 You want to stop this real quick?

00:27:26.680 You stop the operation.

00:27:28.040 You stop the ability for them to traffic people through the United States.

00:27:31.580 That's where it's coming from, these NGOs.

00:27:33.640 And this you can see right here.

00:27:34.860 I walked down into the camp.

00:27:35.920 I'm going to actually walk you through in a minute when you tell me to.

00:27:38.440 But this – the camp is massive.

00:27:40.060 And you can see behind me that area of water in the river.

00:27:42.880 That's actually where they're crossing.

00:27:44.440 Everywhere else in the river, it's full of reeds.

00:27:45.980 There's three spots here they're crossing.

00:27:47.760 You've got the National Guard, Mexican National Guard, set up here as optics, just like we've seen before, pretending like they're stopping it.

00:27:53.660 But they're not stopping anybody.

00:27:56.680 Your government has a program to exacerbate the invasion on the southern border.

00:28:03.840 You know, Tucker said it was the Great Replacement Theory, but he said it about American citizens.

00:28:07.880 It was not about race or ethnicity.

00:28:10.280 It was about American citizens.

00:28:11.940 They're flooding the zone with people that are not citizens. 0.99

00:28:15.940 And it's an active, ongoing program.

00:28:18.140 We're going to break it all down.

00:28:19.420 Anthony Aguero, Ben Burkman.

00:28:21.080 We also have Richard Barris here in some politics.

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00:30:07.080 Stephen K. Bannon.

00:30:08.480 We should note that during our conversation, Kennedy made false claims about the COVID-19 vaccines.

00:30:28.000 Data shows that the COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of hospitalizations and deaths from the disease.

00:30:32.380 He also made misleading claims about the relationship between vaccination and autism.

00:30:36.500 Research shows that vaccines and the ingredients used for the vaccines do not cause autism,

00:30:41.160 including multiple studies involving more than a million children and major medical associations

00:30:45.400 like the American Academy of Pediatrics and the advocacy group Autism Speaks.

00:30:49.880 We've used our editorial judgment and not including extended portions of that exchange in our interview.

00:30:55.660 We thank Mr. Kennedy for the conversation.

00:30:59.580 Okay, let me be blunt.

00:31:01.280 ABC News.

00:31:02.980 This is what they think of you as American citizens' audience.

00:31:05.940 It's too dangerous to have Bobby Kennedy up there answering a question.

00:31:09.980 Their editorial judgment, they cut it, and then they give this context where it's all false, right,

00:31:15.840 on the vax and COVID and everything like that.

00:31:18.280 Where are we as a republic of free-thinking men and women when you have one of the major?

00:31:23.180 That's Disney, by the way.

00:31:25.000 If you're going to go to Disneyland and support that, that's Disney right there.

00:31:28.840 ABC Disney.

00:31:29.780 Disney ABC.

00:31:30.420 What are your thoughts, sir?

00:31:32.320 Well, I mean, yet again.

00:31:33.940 This is the reason Tucker Carlson is not on prime time anymore.

00:31:35.940 Exactly.

00:31:36.560 Yet again, the only thing you're supposed to see on mainstream-approved television,

00:31:41.800 which is sort of the gateway into consensus reality.

00:31:45.840 You know, there are a lot of things that we know and we can establish as fact,

00:31:49.220 but they're just talked about, you know, on the internet or here and there.

00:31:52.880 People underestimate the kind of imprimatur of television, even as a crumbling legacy sort

00:31:59.780 of medium.

00:32:00.860 It's still kind of the gateway into consensus reality.

00:32:05.060 Once it's spoken on an approved mainstream channel, it can be something as sort of enlisted

00:32:11.200 as a legitimate part of the discourse.

00:32:13.840 And that's why the gatekeeping function is so critical.

00:32:16.640 And that's why the American citizen, you're only supposed to see cattle slop. 0.86

00:32:22.580 The cattle are only supposed to get cattle slop. 0.98

00:32:25.020 And the cattle aren't supposed to hear anything, you know, questionable about the vaccines or

00:32:31.360 about big pharma or about, generally speaking, the disastrous policy response that our officials

00:32:37.560 had to COVID.

00:32:38.840 The cattle are not supposed to hear that because then they would moo angrily.

00:32:44.280 You can't, you can't hear that.

00:32:45.640 And so, luckily, they have whoever this woman was to step in like a good, like a good nanny, 1.00

00:32:52.200 like a good, you know, nurse ratchet at the insane asylum and say, oh, I'm sorry, you're 0.78

00:32:57.420 not supposed to hear that.

00:32:58.640 Would you like your medicine now?

00:33:00.340 Would you like your medicine?

00:33:01.660 You're not supposed to hear that.

00:33:03.040 Don't trouble yourself with the Vax stuff.

00:33:05.080 Pfizer wouldn't like that.

00:33:06.480 Here's your little medicine.

00:33:08.020 And that's basically how they treat the American public.

00:33:11.020 It's, it's shameful. 0.99

00:33:12.280 It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:33:12.940 And by the way, as much as they love to pay lip service to this term democracy, like 0.92

00:33:19.240 it's totally contrary to the principles of democracy because you need an informed citizenry

00:33:24.580 and their whole purpose is to prevent us from being informed.

00:33:28.080 Look, I think we got a clip also from, I want to thank the crack team here in the Florida

00:33:33.200 Real America Voice studio and my own team.

00:33:35.740 Let's go and play.

00:33:36.220 I think we got Tucker, a clip from Tucker in Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:33:39.320 Let's play it.

00:33:40.240 The general theme of my speech was this corrupt merger of state and corporate power, which

00:33:46.040 has, which has gotten, which is turning our country into a corporate kleptocracy, into

00:33:52.180 a system of socialism for the rich and this kind of cushy socialism for the rich and this

00:33:57.640 kind of brutal, merciless capitalism for the poor.

00:34:02.040 I, it keeps us in a state of war.

00:34:06.960 I have to say that's also a direct lift from Steve Bannon's speeches, but that's okay.

00:34:11.180 Brutal form of capitalism for the wealth or brutal form of socialism or socialism for the

00:34:16.320 wealthy, brutal form of capitalism.

00:34:18.240 That's what you're not going to see in primetime on Fox anymore.

00:34:20.580 And that's why ABC thinks they can get away from it.

00:34:23.560 That one of the best interviews I've seen recently was, President Trump was, Tucker was amazing

00:34:30.460 on foreign policy, but then Bobby Kennedy came in there and he was laying down about how

00:34:35.140 you deconstruct the administrative state and this merger of corporate and governmental

00:34:40.020 power.

00:34:41.400 Absolutely.

00:34:41.800 No, I mean, RFK is a very exciting addition to the race for a number of reasons, because 0.99

00:34:49.040 he's, you know, he's going to be challenging Biden, obviously.

00:34:52.300 And, you know, anybody who compares the messaging, I can't imagine anyone who would resonate more

00:34:57.740 with Biden than with, than with RFK.

00:34:59.920 But he's also introducing a really important topic into the broader sort of campaign discourse.

00:35:07.360 And that is the COVID issue.

00:35:08.600 That's the vaccine issue.

00:35:09.840 That's the lockdown issue.

00:35:11.080 He speaks about the lockdowns with incredible eloquence and perceptiveness.

00:35:16.660 So it's, again, that's kind of, you're not supposed to flank the system from either

00:35:23.060 side.

00:35:23.460 And you saw this in a small way with Bernie.

00:35:25.800 And I think RFK is so much, so superior to Bernie, so superior, but still there was that

00:35:33.120 kind of structural element of a challenge to the establishment or perceived challenge in

00:35:38.260 the case of Bernie that was so unacceptable to the regime.

00:35:43.840 And they, you know, the regime effectively neutered Bernie.

00:35:46.680 I don't think they're going to be able to neuter RFK.

00:35:49.320 He's doing well.

00:35:50.160 He seems, his momentum seems to be strong, as we were talking about.

00:35:53.820 He's, he's doing better than DeSantis, you know.

00:35:57.120 Cue, cue the curb your enthusiasm music, you know, given that he's married to Cheryl Hines.

00:36:02.540 Cue the Larry David music when we learn that RFK is, is doing better than DeSantis.

00:36:07.860 So it's, it's an exciting part of the race and his message is critical and we need to

00:36:14.540 hear more of him.

00:36:15.540 Let's, I want to bring in Richard Barris, the People's Pundit, because to Darren Beatty's

00:36:21.100 point, there's a poll, I believe, out this morning that shows Biden at 70%, RFK now at

00:36:28.380 21%, up from 12, I think we announced it, went to 70, 21%, and Marianne Williamson at 8%.

00:36:34.760 The DNC has already said, because this is how they roll, no debates.

00:36:39.280 They're not going to have any debates.

00:36:40.180 No need for a debate.

00:36:41.540 Okay.

00:36:42.240 He's at 21%, and people should understand, except for Tucker and the mainstream legacy

00:36:48.380 media, he really hasn't gotten any airtime whatsoever.

00:36:51.980 They didn't carry his, his, the two-hour speech he gave to kick it off.

00:36:56.520 They didn't pick up Hillsdale.

00:36:57.420 They haven't been to interviews, and where he's seen interviews, it's like ABC.

00:37:00.780 They literally say, come in, editorial judgment means that we can't show you

00:37:04.280 90% of the interview, because it's going to get you thinking about things you shouldn't

00:37:08.600 be thinking about, and they're all false anyway, just as a preamble.

00:37:11.820 Right.

00:37:12.160 Barris, tell me about, there's an Emerson poll out this morning, and look, I think Governor

00:37:17.160 DeSantis has done a very good job in Florida.

00:37:19.440 I'm a big advocate of him finishing his term and then going on a full run at 28.

00:37:24.760 He's got a lot of work to do here in Florida, and clearly Disney and a lot of people are pushing

00:37:29.280 back on some of the things I think he's doing right.

00:37:32.540 But this poll in Emerson is jaw-dropping.

00:37:36.320 Walk us through the numbers.

00:37:38.300 Yeah, you know, Steve, I told you so.

00:37:41.000 You know those people that always say, I hate to say I told you so.

00:37:43.400 Not me.

00:37:44.040 I'll openly say it.

00:37:45.200 I mean, it was onward to 60 for Trump, weeks in the making.

00:37:49.600 DeSantis, look, people thought that when he announced, he would somehow get some kind

00:37:53.740 of a bounce, that's never always, you know, always the case.

00:37:57.960 I mean, it can be with certain candidates, but then what happens is that they get vetted,

00:38:02.220 they get a closer look, the scrutiny comes down on them, the magnifying glass comes down

00:38:05.840 on them.

00:38:06.520 And the truth is, DeSantis is not a very personable guy.

00:38:09.820 He's not a very, you know, one-on-one likable guy.

00:38:12.980 It's just the truth.

00:38:13.720 He's a little bit odd.

00:38:15.240 Everybody knew that.

00:38:16.400 So, you know, to win the presidency, you have to be liked.

00:38:19.800 This is really also the case when it comes to the Democratic nominee, because they're

00:38:24.400 doing something more than keeping people out of the debate, Steve.

00:38:27.360 DeSantis fell with that scrutiny to 16%, all right?

00:38:30.640 And now Trump is above 60.

00:38:32.500 You have RFK creeping higher, and Democrats are moving South Carolina to the front of the

00:38:37.200 calendar.

00:38:37.620 Why?

00:38:38.440 Because in Iowa and New Hampshire, you have to shake the hands of voters five times, six

00:38:43.400 times, look them in the eye, answer all their questions.

00:38:46.320 It's not an expensive media market.

00:38:48.140 So that's why we always had the tradition of competing in these small states first.

00:38:52.880 And Joe Biden is the first and only modern presidential candidate to win the presidency

00:38:58.060 or even the nomination by getting after getting his butt kicked in all of these early personal 0.75

00:39:03.120 states. 0.91

00:39:04.600 So, you know, I mean, I think there's really a bit of a narrative that's crossing both of

00:39:08.400 these parties here, Steve, which is that people are doing whatever they can to hide these.

00:39:15.000 I don't even know what else to call them, but defects.

00:39:17.340 Can we put up the Emerson numbers actually on the screen?

00:39:22.260 I got to be able to see that.

00:39:23.860 The Emerson poll, and you called it on this show, I think a week ago, that Trump is going

00:39:28.760 to get into the 60s.

00:39:29.620 And I think at the time, I'm not sure he said teens, but you said DeSantis is going to drop

00:39:33.580 to the 20s, the low 20s.

00:39:35.080 He's at 16% in this Emerson poll.

00:39:38.400 The poll, it's 62-16.

00:39:41.900 Yeah.

00:39:42.360 It's 62-16.

00:39:44.360 This is a guy that was in certain polls, was at 30% or whatever, and actually was leading

00:39:48.860 Trump, I think, in certain polls right after the midterm elections.

00:39:52.600 He's at 16%.

00:39:53.960 This shows you his campaign right now.

00:39:57.340 Yeah, go ahead.

00:39:57.880 Go ahead.

00:39:58.440 I'm just, I got to point this out.

00:40:00.500 You have Mitt Romney's old polling firm, you know, dumping these polls out there, which

00:40:05.400 I cannot believe some sites are even aggregating, without crosstabs, showing that DeSantis is

00:40:10.620 really close in some of these battleground states.

00:40:13.120 We, Florida will be out soon.

00:40:15.540 He's down in his own state to the former president, and it's not really that close.

00:40:19.600 So, I mean, that's a career ender.

00:40:22.220 And they're putting out these polls when somebody has a 30, 40, 45, onward to almost 50-point

00:40:29.780 lead nationally in any primary.

00:40:33.000 They're not going to be down in these battleground states.

00:40:36.420 So, you know, somebody has to say something, call these people out for this, because, you

00:40:40.900 know, you got Nate Silver fired at 538, but this is the kind of stink that will remain

00:40:46.300 in this industry if people don't, now that he's gone, call them out for it.

00:40:50.800 Polls aren't supposed to be used as propaganda.

00:40:52.520 We all know pollsters play games, but this isn't close.

00:40:55.940 You know, if the race was like 10 points close, Steve, then maybe New Hampshire might

00:41:00.500 be competitive.

00:41:01.880 Maybe South Carolina may be competitive.

00:41:04.180 They're not competitive.

00:41:05.380 This is a blowout right now, going away.

00:41:07.860 If you look at the Emerson poll, he has no base.

00:41:12.200 There is no demographic base for DeSantis, and it's very close to what we're showing.

00:41:16.840 He lost the older traditionalist Republican vote.

00:41:20.340 He lost the educated vote.

00:41:22.340 Trump has a 40 to 50-point lead among different working groups and certain income groups.

00:41:28.480 It's a blowout.

00:41:29.580 It's not close.

00:41:32.620 Hang on one second.

00:41:33.700 This gets back to, I'm a strong advocate.

00:41:36.660 Look at the RNC should be like the DNC.

00:41:39.000 The DNC came out and said, hey, no debates.

00:41:41.160 Kennedy's at 21% and surging.

00:41:44.080 He's higher than, demonstrably higher now than DeSantis in a major poll.

00:41:49.720 And they already said there's no debates.

00:41:52.180 RNC's talking about going to the Reagan Library and having the Washington Post guys

00:41:55.420 chairman and do it.

00:41:56.500 And they're going to have, I don't know, CNN and these others, groups of them.

00:41:59.720 Trump, why would you debate?

00:42:01.100 It's the Keebler-Ls.

00:42:02.260 Why would you debate the Keebler-Ls? 0.94

00:42:03.800 No, I mean, it's not even a debate unless Trump's there.

00:42:06.800 And, you know, why bother?

00:42:08.620 You know, back in the previous cycle with the debates, Revolver ran very, very detailed

00:42:14.900 analysis of the commission behind it and all of their associations.

00:42:19.040 It was a complete establishment operation.

00:42:21.800 And it ended up as, you know, part of yet another dimension of the attack against Trump.

00:42:26.320 Go back.

00:42:26.740 Go back.

00:42:27.260 As much as I love seeing Barris and Beattie and not myself, go back up to that chart.

00:42:31.700 I want to put that chart up there.

00:42:33.000 It's so shocking.

00:42:33.880 This is the Emerson poll.

00:42:34.460 Yeah, it's more important than me.

00:42:35.400 Look at that.

00:42:36.080 Yeah.

00:42:36.800 Come on, baby. 0.97

00:42:37.900 Come on.

00:42:38.560 It's not even a question.

00:42:39.960 And at this point, it kind of, I kind of feel bad.

00:42:43.020 Like, I feel sorry for DeSantis.

00:42:44.820 I think he was misled. 0.90

00:42:46.820 The whole idea of him running in this cycle was ridiculous and counterproductive.

00:42:51.560 It's hemorrhaging the political capital that he built up as a good governor.

00:42:56.220 He should have just waited it out.

00:42:58.300 But I think people who had their own interests in mind, not DeSantis' interests, and who actually

00:43:04.300 underestimated DeSantis, because the whole idea that DeSantis had this sense of urgency,

00:43:09.300 he needed to do it now, was based implicitly on this notion that he's a COVID one-hit wonder.

00:43:15.380 That if he waited until 2028, COVID would be done and he wouldn't have anything to brag about.

00:43:21.140 So it's really an insult to him to say, you have to do it now, because the only thing

00:43:25.800 valuable about you is that you didn't shut down the state in a year with COVID.

00:43:31.240 So it's really done him a disservice.

00:43:33.360 I feel bad for him.

00:43:34.460 He shouldn't run.

00:43:35.540 Barris, hang on.

00:43:37.140 I got Ben and Anthony.

00:43:38.780 We're going to get a little jammed up here.

00:43:40.080 We're going to get it all done.

00:43:41.220 We've got to get this information out.

00:43:44.300 Beating, nailed it.

00:43:45.360 Is the consultants going to make $25, $30, $35 million in this?

00:43:48.660 That's what they're looking at.

00:43:49.480 And the donors are, the donors are looking at the same decision, the Murdochs.

00:43:53.440 They're neoliberal neocons.

00:43:55.120 They want somebody in that slot.

00:43:57.480 Okay.

00:43:57.880 Look at that number.

00:43:59.360 Short break.

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00:46:07.480 Did you know Ron DeSantis backed deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare?

00:46:11.640 Ron DeSantis?

00:46:13.360 Yeah, he voted to cut Social Security or Medicare, not once, not twice, but three times.

00:46:18.680 DeSantis even tried to raise the retirement age to 70.

00:46:22.240 I thought DeSantis was one of the good ones, but he's just another career politician.

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00:46:33.740 You see, Barris, I'm a huge believer in Beatty.

00:46:37.840 I'm a huge believer in President Trump, those little 90-second policy videos he's been doing.

00:46:42.680 Because once you get reinforced by the policy, you see that Trump is totally different than the rest of these Republicans.

00:46:49.960 And Ron is – and DeSantis – and this is why his campaign, his consultants have done a really poor job.

00:46:56.480 And I think it's part of the reason – I want to correct myself.

00:46:59.900 Barris did say on here he would be below 20.

00:47:02.440 I remember that Trump would be above 60.

00:47:04.340 He would be below 20.

00:47:05.420 I mean, I remember even people – and some of the people in the chat room go, I don't see that happening.

00:47:09.300 Here we have Emerson with Trump at 62.

00:47:11.740 Trump – can we just put it back up again?

00:47:13.400 Trump at 62 and DeSantis at 16.

00:47:19.780 I mean, these are incredible numbers.

00:47:22.340 And a lot of that, I think, is people starting to sit in about the policy differences and the fact we got the Third World War.

00:47:28.020 And I don't think Ron DeSantis – I think his consultants did him a disservice by sending him, like, on a two-day or three-day jaunt over to Korea and Japan to burnish his international experience. 0.55

00:47:44.460 It looks ridiculous.

00:47:45.240 It looks like some governor going over there, you know, bringing a couple of jobs back with a factory, which is fine. 0.92

00:47:50.480 Hey, I got no problem with that.

00:47:51.500 But that's not going to put you on the same stage with Trump, who's bench-pressing the Ayatollahs in Persia.

00:47:57.920 He had Putin and the KGB backed off.

00:48:00.380 He had the CCP kind of in a box.

00:48:02.440 Now we're in a Third World War.

00:48:03.500 It's just not working.

00:48:04.780 This gets back to a mentality, and this, I think, is one of the important things for the audience to – the same decision-making that went in at Fox is the same decision-making that goes into these donors.

00:48:17.200 They are neoliberal neocons, and they hate Trump because Trump is the leader of a movement that they can't control.

00:48:26.420 Right.

00:48:26.580 Right?

00:48:26.980 And they see – and I got to tell you, don't think it wasn't on the calculus of Lachlan and James Murdoch when they see Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on that thing with Tucker Carlson, and they go, man, we're going to have a year and a half of this, three nights a week.

00:48:41.620 Mitch McConnell is not going to like that.

00:48:43.700 It's not going to work.

00:48:44.840 It doesn't work for us.

00:48:45.820 And the thing that's – it goes to why I kind of feel bad for DeSantis because he's been so woefully and unfortunately misled.

00:48:53.960 It's like, does DeSantis really want to allow himself to become the Brian Kilmeade of politics?

00:49:01.380 Is that what he is?

00:49:03.240 I think he's better than that, but this is the function that all of these establishment people are trying to use him for.

00:49:09.560 They're trying to use him as the Brian Kilmeade of politics, saying, okay, Trump we can't control, just like the executives couldn't control Tucker.

00:49:19.640 We need to take him off the list, and we're going to espouse this ridiculous line of Trumpism after Trump, which, as I've said, it's a scam.

00:49:28.820 It is a scam to get rid of both Trumpism and Trump because you can't disaggregate the movement from the individual. 0.96

00:49:36.660 It's ridiculous. 0.95

00:49:37.460 That's not how it works. 0.62

00:49:38.640 But they're trying to use DeSantis as this instrument, and he didn't know where his support came from.

00:49:44.480 His support came from the fact that he was aligned with Trump from the base.

00:49:48.560 That's why the base support him.

00:49:49.800 The establishment wouldn't attack him because they always had him in mind as the instrument to get rid of Trump.

00:49:55.680 Now he's put himself in an acrimonious position in relation to Trump, so he's going to lose that support.

00:50:02.340 And once the establishment is done using him as an instrument, they're going to toss him to the wolves too.

00:50:07.840 1,000%.

00:50:08.640 As these numbers drop, and I said that at CPAC in my speech, as soon as they used up DeSantis, they'll go to Youngkin. 0.81

00:50:15.440 They'll go to Tim Scott.

00:50:16.660 Brian Kemp, I can already hear Brian Kemp's the new savior for all this.

00:50:22.720 Barris, once again, is this primary in your mind right now over?

00:50:27.880 Should we start thinking about the general election and pulling all the forces together to take down the Biden, Michelle Obama, Newsom, whoever they throw up at us?

00:50:36.140 This is where I wanted to go next, Steve.

00:50:38.160 The $200 million that big mega donors want to throw at Trump in this primary to lose and potentially damage him for a general election would be a lot better spent in matching Democrats.

00:50:49.560 Maybe you can't even match them, but you have to close the gap when it comes to this national vote – harvesting gathering is a better word – vote gathering operation that they have built since COVID, which everyone thought or would disappear in 2022.

00:51:05.420 It has not.

00:51:07.020 This is going to cost an enormous amount of money that at least has to be three battleground states, if not more, all to lose.

00:51:14.160 Because, Steve, I just don't know how you defeat a martyred incumbent.

00:51:19.760 And I think a lot of people who are supporting DeSantis are listening to a lot of inaccurate historical analogies.

00:51:26.420 Like the primary will emerge a stronger candidate one is one of my favorites.

00:51:31.280 That's actually not true.

00:51:32.480 In my business, everybody knows that's why the DNC wants to keep RFK down.

00:51:38.020 Everybody knows that primaries, bitter primaries, do not help incumbents, and Trump is not a new candidate.

00:51:44.360 He is more in the incumbent category.

00:51:46.700 Everyone who had a challenge, whether it was Carter, he ultimately beat Ted Kennedy, but he was defeated.

00:51:52.540 Herbert Walker Bush ultimately beat Pat Buchanan, but he was defeated.

00:51:56.580 Biden could be the only sole weak incumbent in this race.

00:52:00.420 That would be the smarter play here.

00:52:02.720 But, again, once you hit 60, I just – I don't know what DeSantis is going to do to reverse this.

00:52:11.100 Because, again, there are reasons he fell.

00:52:14.660 And I don't mean to, like, drone on here with Steve, but the first crack in his armor came from, ironically, when he flip-flopped on Ukraine and it became an issue.

00:52:23.560 And Tucker asked for all of these detailed responses.

00:52:27.500 And do you guys remember this?

00:52:28.900 This is when his armor first cracked.

00:52:31.920 And then the indictment came and just blew him away.

00:52:34.440 And it was, again, added scrutiny.

00:52:36.480 And, Steve, I was on your show telling you he was Scott Walker 2.0.

00:52:39.900 That's what's happening here.

00:52:41.580 So unless DeSantis becomes a totally different person, this race is over.

00:52:45.660 Right.

00:52:48.600 Richard, where do they get – let's hold.

00:52:50.180 We're going to get to this.

00:52:51.400 Richard, real quickly, what's your social media?

00:52:53.600 What's all that?

00:52:54.460 Where do people get you, the People's Pundit?

00:52:56.580 Home-based folks, peoplespundit.locals.com.

00:53:00.320 And, actually, we'll be on After War Room on Inside the Numbers talking about this and other things in more detail.

00:53:05.000 A little bit more about Florida, what the polling says in Florida.

00:53:07.880 Again, it's a lot worse than, I think, consultants realize.

00:53:11.380 Does the wife have the day off normally in front of some incredibly impressive computer set with TVs? 1.00

00:53:17.800 Looks like you're now – you know, you're getting ready for your cover band practice.

00:53:21.280 She does.

00:53:21.960 I'm calling management.

00:53:23.960 I'm calling management.

00:53:25.280 Short break, Beattie, The Border, Cortez, all next, only in the War Room.

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Bannon's War Room - April 28, 2023

Episode 2694： Mainstream Media, The Gateway Into Consensus Reality

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