Episode 2752： Holding The Line With The Debt Ceiling; The Origin Story Of Tucker
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Summary
The latest on the debt ceiling negotiations, the latest from the White House and the War Room, and more. Plus, a look at the latest on a potential economic disaster if no deal is reached on raising the U.S. debt ceiling.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
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like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people
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had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my
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country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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mr speaker at this point what are the biggest sticking points in the negotiation and the
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president he said that he's willing to cut spending but he also wants to raise revenue as well are you
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willing to talk about that no just to be clear why when you talk about raising revenue if you look at
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the 50-year average of america how much money have we brought in by revenue that would be roughly about
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17 percent of gdp right now we're bringing almost 20 percent of gdp in in revenue now how many times
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has that happened in modern history only twice in 1944 and in 2000 so you're bringing in more money
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at a higher percentage than any other time now so why are we in such a problem the expenditures the
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amount of money government spends so on a 50-year average government normally spends about 21 percent of
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gdp right now with 22 after the democrats took over they're over 24 percent of gdp so the problem is
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not revenue the problem is spending so if you want to know where our differences have been it's always
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been the same place i simply believe like any household like any business like any state government
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when you're this far out of whack you have to spend less than you spent last year that's why we talk about
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that going back um to where we spent just five months ago put a cap in there grow the economy
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pull back money that hasn't been spent like covet funds that have sat there for two years who thinks
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you should do that save the taxpayer money grow the economy by cutting red tape letting us build things
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again in america so these are just a few things the other thing is how do we get people back into the
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workforce right so we're only talking about in work requirements able-bodied people who have no
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dependents should we borrow money from china to pay people who are able-bodied with no dependents to sit
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on the couch i don't think so because we have found every study it takes people off poverty rolls and
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puts them into jobs it gives them a sense of worth they're able to buy a house they're able to send
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their kids to college it's a very positive american fact our defense cuts on the table no defense when
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you're sitting the president was just at g7 talking about the fear and the challenge of what china's
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doing we watch what's happening ukraine we've watched the amount of weaponry we had to provide
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to ukraine we don't want to make america in a threatening position so no defense should not be on
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the table it's a responsibility i'm a person who believes in limited government and it is a
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responsibility of those to make sure we have the defense of this nation and that would be a mistake
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biden house speaker kevin mccarthy meeting at the white house yesterday over the debt ceiling that
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meeting lasted about an hour and a half and was called productive by both sides no deal though was
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reached let's go to the white house where we find nbc news chief white house correspondent
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kristin welker kristin good morning what's the latest there hi willie good morning to you well
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talks really are down to the wire here a source familiar with the negotiations telling me overnight
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there's still no deal in sight there are still a lot of sticking points and just as a reminder to
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everyone the debt limit is like the nation's credit card bill it's debt that the country already
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owes now look the one encouraging sign is that both sides are talking and talking and talking around
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the clock but the question is will it be enough to avoid a potential economic disaster okay this is
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all this is all airhead nonsense put out by msnbc put out by all of them it's nonsense it's total
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nonsense bottom line they had a conference meeting this morning and last night i will be brutally frank
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with you uh there were elements that wanted to surrender right but people bucked up and this morning
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uh mccarthy was pitched perfect we got that jake sherman and uh john what bresnahan are tweeting
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out a lot of what went on the conference if denver could put that up uh mccarthy is hey we're going
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to hold the line they got to agree to cuts we're not going to play games here but here's the here's
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the key point here's the key point and this audience is always you know months and months if not years
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ahead of things but on this one you've been really ahead this is why you're chairman of the creditors
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committee and this is the important part right now why this is a false deadline i've done these
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restructurings in my professional life all the time this is a false deadline janet yellen's got to
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show the math why are we dependent upon janet yellen she hasn't been right on anything she's secretary
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treasurer she's had massive misses on on the inflation situation on the american recovery act on all this
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it's all on her watch why are we just having her send over this letter and it's got the only number
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on it's the date on the letter we need and demand that she come forward with what's really the cash
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flow here because i'm telling you in june as andy big said on the show yesterday there's a ton of cash
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that comes in around the middle of the month from tax receipts and other ways that just the money flows
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into the system at worse you may have a small tiny little air pocket but that air pocket does not
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include remember this does not include any possibility to default it is impossible to default
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let me repeat that it's impossible to default a default is missing interest payments or paying
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off face amount when they come due of government securities there's plenty of cash to do that there's
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plenty of cash to make sure the social security and the and the medicare things get taken care of
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she would willfully have to decide not to do that might you have some contractor at the department of
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labor right that gets maybe their check comes on the 15th instead of on the 10th uh is there somebody in
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the department of education some contractor that maybe the cash is not there uh maybe even certain
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government employees maybe uh the check instead of coming on uh the first maybe it comes on the fifth
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hey you know they they they here's what a light is we go to getter if you go to my pen my my crack
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and production staff here the one i think the only article i have pinned politico essentially came out
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last night with an article and agreed into in they talked to people at treasury the the the the working
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staff at treasury the administrative state that does not the political appointees the buried lead
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five parts down five paragraphs down is the prioritization of payments you ever heard that
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term the prioritization of payments prioritization of payments works it takes some effort they got to
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do some work you know janet yellen said there's some hard decisions there is a total difference just
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remember as chairman of the creditors committee you're the one that's going to be the ultimate decider
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you're ultra mega remember you're you're you're a mega uh terror mega uh led you back mega legislative
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terrorists you're a mega extremist ultra mega extremist but you're the only people out there
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of 330 million of your citizens a lot more now understanding it but you understand it better
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you have to bifurcate a default is about a government security
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that keeps our credit rating the pay your bills they're trying to they're trying to move the
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goalposts no no no no no no no no no no no no no she even says we gotta make some hard decisions
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yeah how hard of a decision somebody going to get paid on the 4th of june versus the 7th of june
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and and and the in the and we would do an entire deal and raise the debt ceiling another train and a half dollars
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remember what that what the and these are not we're not close to a deal when you really look to it
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going back to the hill story what's coming out the budget caps are on the table the cuts whether it goes to
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to pre uh pre um covid um defense versus non-defense by the way i'm quite open to having some defense cuts here
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i don't think that's a bad thing at all the work requirements is joke you got to have more work
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requirements because they understand when they make them go to work these deadbeats all sudden hey they
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don't need the medicaid they go get a job they go instead of instead of being freeloaders they go get a
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job which is the purpose of the exercise then most importantly the timeline what biden these guys want
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is to push it after the inauguration in 2025 that number that math nobody's had the courage to say it
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that math is four trillion dollars so we're just going to add another you're just going to give
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them four trillion dollars to spend and and to to have deficits that we're going to print money
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or or have the chinese or japanese uh you know buy bonds okay so we're in it now but i will tell you
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from overnight because remember there are certain elements of leadership that are um very tied to
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wall street and the uniparty that want a deal they just that we don't care let's spend the money
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it's the middle class and working poor they're getting crushed we don't care we're making more
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money than ever remember the elites don't care on this thing they want to continue on that's what
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you're holding the line and i'm telling you from last night let's say at eight to ten o'clock
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to this morning total sea change mccarthy saying all the right thing all the tweets out there he's
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saying we're going to get cuts we're going to get work requirements uh matt gates said it was pitch
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perfect and what mccarthy asked for is to just have my back the numbers 202-225-3121 that's the
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house make sure the people in the house that represent you have an absolute in their mind it's
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totally clear totally clear where your position is on this that we've given them the best deal they're
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going to get senate ought to pass it biden ought to sign it we're not happy but in the spirit in the
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spirit of moving things forward we'll we'll take it this time and get you next time if they don't
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like that then hey let's say let's say we're going to be going to geneva we got nor bin laden right
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here if they don't like that we go right away we start and border security start adding getting out
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of the who start adding more cuts you you ratchet up the pressure you don't back off you ratchet up
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you move forward you be aggressive today's a huge day this morning the conference was a huge that
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conference was supposed to be about politics it wasn't even supposed to be about this this was
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members brought up and by the way some of the some of the old lions i think we're going to have ralph
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norman this afternoon i think we're going to have lauren boebert we've we've scheduled both those
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depends upon votes if we get them uh but ralph norman's been a been a an incredible leader in this
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uh let me go to dave bratt dave uh do you like what you hear you've seen the tweets coming out
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from um from jake sherman and the team at all these different news sites do you like what you
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see so far yeah i agree with everything you said the content uh is pitch perfect but the pitch the
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pitch i still find to be almost defensive uh which is just shocking to me it's very hard to get your
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message out right and so uh mccarthy uh deserves huge credit for getting that conference that's a
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gigantic move back when i was in there there was no prayer of getting any movement on a significant
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policy issue like this but you know two points uh which you'll never see in the press because
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they're just common sense uh point number one is the republican house has passed a bill and the senate
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democrats have not and these views are my own i'm not speaking on behalf of anybody right so that's
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the politics of it the republicans have passed a bill that takes discipline it's very hard
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to make cuts out in public uh we passed a bill the democrats haven't that right there ought to end uh
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most of this uh you know gibberish around this debate the other side doesn't even have a plan
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uh secondly the the debt at the end of this budget window at the 10-year budget window is 50 trillion
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dollars no one ever mentions that republican ceos come on tv and try to look cool and they'll talk
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about these radicals in the republican house these mega you know people uh and then the left of course
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is is extreme in their language against these mega people uh we're only saving four trillion out of 50
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trillion here this is not a radical move you'll never see that uh in the press right we started off
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with russ vote uh making herculean efforts towards saving 17 uh trillion to just leave us where we are
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now at a meager 32 trillion in debt that's where we are now on the back of our kids and going forward
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with a five percent interest rate on 50 trillion dollars that's two and a half trillion in just
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interest payments that's three times our current defense budget so i i mccarthy uh was pitch perfect but
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the pitch i wish just get aggressive just tell the american people we have the moral high ground
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they do not i think you tell by the way we've got social security one of the biggest messaging things
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as you and i've talked about we have not let them uh pillory the uh the republic is a mag on social
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security and medicare that that's off the that's off the table that's why pence and desantis and these
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guys are just don't understand what the main thing is here right how we got to break the cartel
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right now yeah but i agree with you we need we need to tell biden hey here's the deal dude i've done
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this on many transactions uh the um the deal's good to five o'clock tonight at five o'clock tonight
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the deal gets harder so you get your guys over there come back to me it's called an exploding offer
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you got it till five at five o'clock it's the deal on the table if you don't take it by five
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in geneva here's my question for you daily mail has a huge story this morning on the head of who
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and he his point is that you and michelle bachman are uh extremist and you and michelle bachman are
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nervous nellies and you and michelle bachman are hysterical and he he and the who and the world
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health assembly are trying to protect mankind for these great biblical pandemics that are all before
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us ma'am your response i mentioned yesterday steve you know that the theme for this year's world health
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assembly is saving lives uh but it is actually in reality surveilling lives and it is always the same
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playbook they use crises and they use these pretexts of wanting to help save mankind and protect
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mankind and offer us health coverage and security all uh these are all very lofty ideals that people
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can get behind obviously uh but when you look at actually what is being proposed and what they are
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setting up for us it is in fact the exact opposite they want uh death in essence to say it very strongly
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they will probably say that i'm an extremist even more so for saying that but this is exactly why
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you know i mentioned very briefly yesterday um my friend and i we started this website called
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we hurt others uh w-h-o we hurt others because this is exactly what they do we cannot sugarcoat it
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they want to hurt us they lie about what it is they are trying to do with their agenda and uh they
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actually poison us when we look at these mass inoculation programs that they have for us with very
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dubious substances and uh in conjunction with mass immunization programs that they have been rolling
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out for decades now with the intensification obviously of h1n1 and uh covid they are using this
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in conjunction with digital ids so that you know we can be the authorities can be kept up to date
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with these inoculations everything goes hand in hand this entire surveillance mass tracking biosecurity
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state that they want to implement goes through this extension consolidation and centralization of the
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powers of the who and i've mentioned this many times when i've come on the show steve you know
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this goes hand in hand with the destruction of u.s sovereignty the u.s is the one nation that stands
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in the way of this new world order of this world government and coming back to the opening of the
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of the show of your show steve and your monologue you need to defund the who and exit the who and that'll
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be already a good chunk of the budget problem that will be sorted so you're adamant in your in your
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thinking by the way you and naomi wolf uh warned us about this you know at the beginning you know in
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the pain and i think in 2020 2021 uh that this day was coming uh you believe that this is a that what's
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really going on here when you connect all these dots of what their efforts are is a mass surveillance
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program uh for every former citizen of a nation in the world where they have absolute and total
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control is that is that your is that is that the theory of your case yes nations will be merely
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outlined on a map that's it there will be no more nations so to speak or national sovereignty or
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governments that are supposed to represent the will of the people all of this is being eradicated
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and the plans are being drawn up here in geneva and i just want to say because i think it's important
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to remember everyone that on the first day that the biden regime was installed a few hours after this
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very phony inauguration one of the executive orders that was signed um by biden was
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the re-entering of the united states uh to the who as a member state and ever since the united
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states government i mean the the regime the biden regime has been working hand in hand with the who
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to further these plans through um this pandemic preparedness agenda as they refer to it and you had
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the permanent mission wait i have uh the name here because it's actually quite complicated but
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the permanent mission of the united states of america to the united nations office and other
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international organizations organizations in geneva that's the full name of the body that is here in
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geneva representing the united states government they actually sent a letter with proposed proposed
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amendments to the international health regulations regulations in january 2022 with uh the um with an
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official letter from lois pace from the health and human services department of the government and
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they are actually the ones that kicked off this process of amending the international health
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regulations in conjunction you know parallel to the pandemic accord that is also being put forward
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by member states at the who so the the biden regime is actually driving the eradication of its own country's
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sovereignty you have a rogue band of people at the head of the country of your country that absolutely
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hate america and want to completely hand the country to the globalists your unit party has sold out
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and you know michelle badman made this a very correct point why don't you have senators here why don't you
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have congressmen here because almost every single one of them except for a few that are speaking about
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this you mentioned the conference the other day have sold out to this globalist class they are a nose
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americans in name only whether they are on the left side or the right side democrat or republican it
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doesn't matter they just are not representing america in any way shape or form
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nor has there been um and you've done such a great job of exposing this and of course reggie
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little john i think we now have 24 25 congressmen all the quote-unquote mega extremists that have now
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signed up for this but here's the thing i find shocking that in europe uh with all the prosperity in
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europe and in in uh you know places like switzerland and places like the united kingdom where
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people have really very much focused on their individual liberty personal freedom is there any
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grassroots i mean is there any effort at all of anybody to stand up what's happening there
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besides the american contingent of you and michelle bachman and the war room and others
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no there are thankfully you know but we're not getting here in europe as much traction as in the united
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states and you know james rogowski just launched a website called worldwide exit the who.com i think
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which lists in all the different countries the ways that people can get involved you know whether you're
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in the uk australia uh france etc the different grassroots uh organizations that are um fighting this
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and that are standing up against this but of course the media here in europe is even more captured
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than in the united states of america so that's also a large part um the reason why we're not hearing
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about these types of groups like the sovereignty coalition like um your children etc and other
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amazing guests that you bring into the show that are alerting the people uh to this power grab
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uh nor if you could uh by the way i want to give all your sites right now so people can go
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during it we would love you to hold on or get back to you in the next hour we get michelle bachman
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and others uh where do people go to all these new sites that you've got in in your social media
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sure so the website is called we hurt others.com it's a repository of all the official documents of the
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who different articles different resources uh in terms of organizations and news outlets we wanted
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to bring together all this valuable information and try to organize it in a helpful matter because
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there's just so much information they are attacking us on so many fronts through this one organization
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the who which has been weaponized against us they are not saving lives on the very contrary they are
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one of the reasons nor is so valuable to freedom throughout the world is she's in geneva and uh
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you know michelle bachman talked about caesar and the big battles with the uh with the
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swiss at the time when the roman republic pre-empire was expanding through gaul and through that and and
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how important geneva was strategically just remember the united nations what you see in new york is just the
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that's the performative part you got the security council obviously but in geneva is the engine room
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hey guys chabak moore here i'm the author of a new biography about tucker carlson titled tucker
00:30:50.980
i have spent the last year researching and writing this book and during that time i've gotten to know
00:30:57.180
tucker his family his friends and his staff very well in fact i've gotten to know tucker the person
00:31:03.380
not the caricature that his enemies try to portray i was working closely with tucker when he was taken
00:31:09.300
off the air by fox and as some of you know i was also a regular on his show and i happened to be a
00:31:15.840
guest on the final episode of the show which was on april 21st i've also seen the monologue that tucker
00:31:22.000
planned to deliver on monday april 24th before his show was abruptly taken off the air that monologue
00:31:30.080
dealt with among other things investigations around january 6th and particularly ray epps the
00:31:36.720
only person captured on video inciting people to violence at the capitol that day and allegedly an
00:31:42.460
fbi informant who still has not been arrested or charged ironically a good part of the monologue
00:31:48.260
also dealt with the people and forces that are trying to silence him like aoc and others in
00:31:53.820
government it has now been reported that his firing was a condition demanded by dominion as part of
00:31:59.580
the settlement with fox although dominion has denied this my sources have intimate knowledge
00:32:05.320
of the situation and they have assured me even before this news leaked that that is in fact the
00:32:10.800
truth if that is true it would mean that a small group of people who have a controlling interest in
00:32:17.240
dominion have managed to silence what is arguably the most important and influential conservative voice
00:32:23.700
in the country possibly until after the next presidential election knowing tucker's i do i'm confident that
00:32:31.160
he will not be silenced as i'm sure all of you are as well if you're interested in knowing more if you
00:32:36.320
want to know about who tucker is about his history his passions and what motivates him again the title
00:32:42.880
the book is tucker and it's available for pre-order now at tucker the book.com or wherever books are sold
00:32:48.700
now uh honored now honored to have on here on uh uh tuesday 23 may in the year of l or 2023 i think i
00:32:59.300
missed that part in the beginning because doing so much debt ceiling um chadwick moore uh the
00:33:04.040
biographer of tucker carlson um chadwick first that's a pretty big that that dominion made this
00:33:13.320
as a side deal as a verbal deal with the fox guys that we need a scalp and that scalp's got to be
00:33:18.600
tucker carlson is that is that is that your theory the case here that you believe that is what happened
00:33:23.780
so that is what multiple people who are very close to the situation have assured me is the case and this
00:33:30.960
news was obviously it had been rumored uh there had been reports that this is what had happened
00:33:36.720
these people told me this before that news leaked there were other uh producers fox producers who
00:33:42.720
were not my sources caught on hidden camera who also said that this was the case but my sources said
00:33:47.900
with great assurance that this is in fact definitely the reason why and uh dominion has of course denied
00:33:54.380
this fox has also denied this but i have no reason to leave that these sources do not know what
00:33:58.900
they're talking about or they or that they're misleading me in any way um they're very sure
00:34:02.740
that dominion that i was told that this agreement was reached literally moments before they were
00:34:08.340
about to go to trial with fox news fox news desperately did not want to go to trial my sources
00:34:13.700
said the reason for that was simply they didn't want rupert murdoch to testify and in fact i had other
00:34:19.020
people at fox tell me that uh fox thought they would win the case if they went to trial they thought
00:34:23.100
they had a really strong case it would actually prevail but for that reason they didn't and this was a
00:34:27.620
last minute uh part of the settlement uh agreement that was reached uh that that they would pull
00:34:33.140
tucker carlson off the air uh he was then told it was about six days later after that agreement was
00:34:38.060
reached that he was pulled off i i think chadwick moore and this tells you the about the quality of the
00:34:44.720
biography you're going to get i i believe uh strongly that with chadwick moore and this is backed up by
00:34:51.020
some of the james o'keefe videos and other things we know and people we know at fox uh but in the big
00:34:57.760
reveal here is not just that they wanted a scalp i had actually heard they offered up hannity and they
00:35:03.700
said no we want tucker carlson uh and fox agreed to it but as people remember on this show for the last
00:35:09.740
couple of months in particular i was going to i think when i did the beat down of murdoch from the
00:35:13.600
main stage at cpac because i think the murdochs are total complete scumbags um the um because time
00:35:21.000
can trade if you read the remember the from the moment the depositions came out and we read them
00:35:25.960
and i came back to the audience and said hey if you read the deposition it made biden look like
00:35:30.460
read murdoch's deposition it makes biden look like the debate captain at the oxford union i mean
00:35:35.980
chadwick for a guy that's perforce you know the image supposed to be succession and he's such a
00:35:40.720
you know he's such a genius and he's got this it was a it was an old man that to me really didn't
00:35:48.720
have a grasp on the control of his organization what was going on or really even the election or
00:35:55.280
what happened and is my perception wrong in that deposition because soon i said i said they'll never
00:35:59.840
they'll start the trial with him i said these attorneys will keep him up there for three days
00:36:04.180
and destroy uh the whatever reputation he has left am i incorrect in that according to your beliefs
00:36:10.540
well that seems to be what people very close to the situation also believe in which they've told
00:36:16.720
me but you know i don't think what what these sources have also told me one in particular
00:36:20.980
um who who would know and works intimately with the higher-ups at fox said that essentially you
00:36:27.120
know it's not just maybe rupert murdoch who's out of touch but really the higher-ups at fox and people
00:36:32.600
on the board who made this decision in that you know they they sort of didn't understand that tucker
00:36:38.000
carlson wasn't just a chris hayes or a sean hannity that he in fact was you know a movement
00:36:45.280
more than a television show host and that he brought in new viewers that were not typically
00:36:50.720
cable news or fox viewers i mean he had the lot of the highest ratings between 18 to 45 year olds in
00:36:56.620
all of cable news those people typically do not watch cable news and when fox made this decision they
00:37:02.020
when the executives made this decision they sort of thought it was no different than pulling harris
00:37:07.840
faulkner off outnumbered or something they thought well we got rid of bill o'reilly people were mad for
00:37:12.880
a while and it was fine we got rid of megan kelly we were fine after that they were so out of touch
00:37:17.620
with their audience according to the source that they figured there was the same thing with tucker
00:37:21.860
carlson they didn't understand that in fact people organized their their evenings around his show that
00:37:26.460
he was that his brand was just as powerful if not more powerful than their own brand and they were
00:37:32.700
so out of touch that they didn't realize this so when people say they don't understand why fox would
00:37:38.260
get rid of their number one host and why they would do this as a condition of this settlement it makes
00:37:43.280
no sense to them this is the reason i'm assured is why that they're simply just completely out of touch
00:37:48.820
and they sort of misjudged his power and that he was as powerful if not more powerful than the entire
00:37:54.640
network what about the organized there's clearly been an organized effort of post this um and
00:38:03.180
particularly the blowback they got from the audience and the massive drop in ratings to not just me it's
00:38:08.100
not smearing tucker carlson it's trying to destroy tucker carlson uh by these leaks and it only could
00:38:13.960
have come people at fox or associated with fox i understand that ken griffin's ex-wife has been
00:38:20.580
fingered as a board member they thought it might be congressman ryan or her but she might she actually
00:38:26.480
might be the person that's that's helping with these leaks why would fox go and try to destroy
00:38:32.180
tucker carlson given his the esteem uh the the uh american right hold him in sir well if they are and
00:38:42.200
i've spoken to tucker about this and he believes that that they are behind some of them at least so at
00:38:46.740
least they they openly smeared him in the new york times by saying he was racist because of some
00:38:51.420
text message he sent which wasn't racist at all uh and he was you know hurt and confused by that he
00:38:57.500
doesn't really understand why they would be going after him uh he's not disparaged them at all and he
00:39:03.320
didn't even disparage them to me and in follow-ups about this you know he was shocked and confused
00:39:08.520
by the news uh but he's also resilient and upbeat and excited for the future uh but the if you know
00:39:15.760
they are behind this and it looks like they are and they did in fact you know smear him to the new
00:39:19.400
york times in their in their statements about him uh and also the wall street journal published uh
00:39:24.080
which is owned by news corp obviously published a hit piece about the firing saying it was about his
00:39:29.540
behavior to colleagues which is obviously not true everyone at fox loved him uh but it i think it just
00:39:35.220
goes back to what i had said earlier that that it whoever is making these decisions is so completely
00:39:40.080
out of touch with with the media universe and with their audience uh and maybe they believe that
00:39:45.800
they're the fox news of 20 years ago and that they're absolutely unbeatable and that they're
00:39:49.560
complete resilient and kind of do what they want uh but it doesn't i'm not really here even to
00:39:53.800
disparage fox i i was a regular on fox news for the last seven years i do not think i'll ever be asked
00:39:59.360
on again even though i've never said anything bad about them but simply because i've written a book
00:40:03.360
about tucker carlson um in fact i just had a an appearance scheduled for next week that they
00:40:08.240
uh pulled but they didn't tell me that the reason um but uh it's i've always had great experiences
00:40:14.440
with everyone working at fox uh they've been really nice and wonderful to me but i think that
00:40:18.300
there's maybe some people higher up who are just so out of touch and maybe figured this ploy might
00:40:23.600
work because it might work on some other lesser host um you know they i think that a lot of people
00:40:28.840
in television believe that hosts are interchangeable all television careers are very um temporary you know
00:40:35.280
you're always going if you people shuffle around these networks constantly but tucker carlson was
00:40:39.940
obviously very different and very special uh and i don't think that they've grasped that yet and i
00:40:45.100
don't think that the old tactics are are quite working as they thought that they might
00:40:49.020
decision like that can only be made at the murdoch level but look the the the they still are going to
00:40:56.700
enforce this contract and continue to pay him this deal but hold him off enforce that he can't go on
00:41:03.160
another platform start his own network do whatever uh do the twitter deal or whatever until 2025 do
00:41:09.480
you think that they will continue to try to enforce that right yeah so he is still a fox employee uh in
00:41:15.520
fact he's still getting his paycheck he did not in any way violate his contract so he cannot be fired
00:41:20.260
uh he's currently i'm reading he's not spoken to me about this but currently you know
00:41:24.660
lawyer lawyering up trying to end this he did tell me he would like for this situation to end as soon
00:41:30.320
as possible because he's desperate to get out there and start working again he loves to work
00:41:34.340
uh he um is is is missing his job and missing talking to his audience uh but his contract does
00:41:41.480
go until just after the 2024 presidential election so it's really insidious if the network is trying to
00:41:48.820
hold him to his contract until then and effectively silence him now he may i haven't seen his contract but
00:41:54.320
he may have several legal avenues to pursue here against fox news um it seems uh and and you're right
00:42:00.200
they're continuing to pay him a lot of money by the way to simply do nothing and be silent um which
00:42:05.360
seems um almost as bad as uh what dominion allegedly has done by demanding his scalp
00:42:11.660
uh we've got a couple of minutes we'd love to hold you through the next segment but how long have you
00:42:18.100
worked you've known tucker a long time how long have you really been working on this book not just the
00:42:22.620
writing of it in the interviews how long have you been thinking about it i mean how this is a book
00:42:26.700
that is the product of how many years effort yeah i've been i was uh i've been on the show
00:42:32.780
on tucker carlson's show for essentially the entire run of the program um and i was a guest when it on
00:42:38.500
the first episode when it moved into the 8 p.m time slot and weirdly i was a guest on the final episode
00:42:42.680
on april 21st uh so i've gotten to know tucker well just through that and his team and you know
00:42:48.280
seriously writing and researching this book it's been a little over a year i've dedicated my whole
00:42:52.840
last year to working on this book i've spent a lot of time with tucker uh it is at his homes in both
00:42:58.660
maine and in florida uh with his team uh with his family his wife susie his father dick carlson who is
00:43:04.900
a also a lovely really interesting guy also a journalist dick carlson uh and um so it's been
00:43:11.360
you know an entire year that that i've been really getting to know him uh and and writing this book out and
00:43:16.780
you know we we were actually always going to announce this month and it just so happened with this
00:43:21.860
news you know we obviously had to go back and update some things and get the latest on that
00:43:26.020
which i've been talking to him several times since his show was pulled off the air and and and uh you
00:43:31.360
know watching him sort of navigate that as well okay we're gonna take a short commercial break
00:43:37.120
we're returning with chadwick moore he's got the book of the summer uh i think it's chadwick it comes
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out over it's in july is that what's the what's the publication date correct it's available for
00:43:48.820
pre-sale now at tuckerthebook.com or anywhere you buy books the publication date is july 18th so
00:43:54.060
that's when the books will ship out 18 july okay talk uh chadwick if you can just hang with us chadwick
00:44:00.440
moore the biographer of tucker carlson who's on the first show on the last show has spent a lot of time
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short commercial break chadwick moore on the other side in the war room
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going to be from 10 in the morning at 6 at night you're going to have i think 50 or 60 speakers
00:47:16.560
historians all of it uh you don't want to miss that um i want to go back to chadwick moore the
00:47:22.700
biographer of tucker carlson worked on this book day and night for a year uh chadwick tell me about
00:47:28.180
the journey you know on the friday night they at least said that lachlan murdoch and these guys in
00:47:32.240
la made the decision quote unquote before they notified i guess tucker uh monday morning he gave this
00:47:38.720
kind of seminal speech at heritage to talk about you know from the first time he showed up as a i
00:47:43.520
guess a uh editorial assistant uh i think at heritage one of the heritage spinoffs to to you
00:47:49.920
know his show on on friday night um talk about the journey is is the book show the journey of tucker
00:47:55.720
carlson because he's come he's in a very different place today than when he first started off
00:48:00.500
as a conservative as an american and as a member of a movement
00:48:04.440
uh right yeah he's so the book is very much his journey you know it's sort of his life story and
00:48:11.520
then also kind of who he is in real life behind the scenes uh and uh you're right so he he right
00:48:17.240
after he didn't right after college he didn't actually graduate college he even though he's
00:48:20.760
listed as um having been a member of the class of uh the year supposed to graduate he didn't actually
00:48:27.120
graduate um uh which his father was surprised to learn as well when i told his father that but doesn't
00:48:32.500
seem to have mattered at this point they didn't graduate from college but he got a job at the
00:48:36.140
heritage foundation for one of their publications just being a fact checker and going through um uh
00:48:41.780
you know letters and things of that nature but he always wanted to be a journalist because of as he
00:48:46.560
puts it the most medieval reasons which is that's what his father did uh and his father uh was a very
00:48:52.840
interesting family life here his father was an orphan he was adopted out of an orphanage in boston called
00:48:57.780
the home for little wanderers which was founded for actually uh the children of civil war uh soldiers
00:49:03.220
who uh whose fathers didn't come home and his father wanted to be a writer he wanted adventure he
00:49:09.460
wanted to travel the u.s and and and be a reporter and he finally got a gig at the los angeles times
00:49:14.600
moved up to san francisco uh so tucker always had that inspiration in his life and he studied history
00:49:21.020
at college uh and then he got his first newspaper job at a newspaper in arkansas and he picked up and
00:49:28.040
moved to arkansas worked there eventually found his way to washington dc at the weekly standard but
00:49:32.520
something that tucker doesn't really get enough credit for is he's an extremely talented writer a
00:49:37.220
very very beautiful and very talented and very funny writer and you go through a lot of his old
00:49:42.120
uh newspaper magazine articles and this becomes very evident and he really made a name for himself in
00:49:47.860
the late 90s early 2000s doing these big very entertaining very erudite profiles of people like
00:49:54.860
george w bush um james carville ron paul and uh his first television appearance was kind of on a lark
00:50:02.820
and he was invited on to cbs to talk about um the oj simpson trial and he'd never been on television
00:50:09.800
before uh and then of course as anyone in television sort of knows once you've been on television you're sort
00:50:15.120
of a part of the talking head club and then you become bookable and that's sort of how he got
00:50:19.420
started and then eventually he worked as a lot of uh your viewers will know he worked for now all
00:50:24.840
three cable networks cnn msnbc and then finally fox um and uh and now that he's off of fox you know his
00:50:32.620
his next journey um is is anyone we're to see what tucker really looks like unbound and unleashed um you
00:50:40.180
know his firing from fox as as a lot of people rightly pointed out and as suspected seems to be
00:50:45.960
like so much to do with narrative control and he was always on fox um stood out for the exact reason
00:50:52.160
that he did not say not only he took a counter narrative to what everyone else on fox was saying but
00:50:56.820
obviously the rest of mainstream media which of course rightly raised suspicions about why his show
00:51:01.000
was cut off the air um but but i don't think anyone really it was shocking the timing of it but everyone
00:51:07.540
knew that his days were going to eventually be numbered because he was so out of line compared
00:51:12.460
to what the approved narrative is of the uniparty and it's why uh we can't wait to see what he does
00:51:18.000
next you know it's it's it's the same story about shows like yours steve with war room white people are
00:51:22.900
flocking to outlets like this because you can't trust the narrative anymore and everyone sees that
00:51:27.180
it's all controlled by the uniparty and the advertisers and so it will be interesting to see what his next
00:51:32.500
step is but with that said now that he has left fox at the timing of this book coming out
00:51:37.160
it's really um you know at least in my mind as as the writer has really sort of solidified this as
00:51:42.840
the true origin story of tucker carlson and his true origin ending with his final show on fox news
00:51:49.740
and slightly in the aftermath on that because now he is going to become uh uh something completely new
00:51:55.380
we're going to see uh what that looks like and what it is when he doesn't have those constraints placed
00:52:00.380
upon him the timing of the book is nothing short quite frankly of exquisite i mean at the very
00:52:08.640
moment uh he has this epic battle with the murdochs uh and then now is still fighting for his freedom
00:52:14.740
because they're going to still try to keep him tied down a book about his origin story comes out once
00:52:19.260
again chadwick uh we'd love to reserve a time to get you back on here because it's just fascinating
00:52:24.520
um where do people go once again to get the book to pre-order it and where do they follow you on
00:52:29.880
social media because i think it's uh you're a voice that people have to now start keeping constantly
00:52:34.640
on watch not just giving the book but uh uh your other uh ideas about media oh sure thank you it's uh
00:52:42.400
the you can go to tucker the book.com tucker the book.com there you can uh there's links to amazon
00:52:47.960
barnes and noble books a million or you can buy directly from the publisher if you don't want to give
00:52:51.520
money to jeff bezos and uh for me you can mostly find me on twitter it's at chadwick underscore more
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uh at chadwick underscore more on twitter that's primarily where i am on social media
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for your publisher we just got to stay on watch because the new york times will do everything
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possible to keep this off as the number one bestseller and it will be the number one bestseller
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just on on books sold to real people trust me i know the war room audience is going to be all over
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it chadwick more thank you for doing the book and thank you for taking time
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away uh today to be a refreshing voice to come on the war room appreciate it thank you sir my pleasure
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tucker carlson a fierce competitor and uh of course the murdochs are going to try to keep him
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tied up and keep him from having a platform he can do anything he wants to do now and his voice is
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amazingly important for 2024 they know that we know that he knows that okay short break room back in
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