Bannon's War Room - May 27, 2023


Episode 2764： The Rain Of Hellfire

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Memorial Day is a day to remember those who gave their lives in defense of their country. On this episode of the War Room, Steve and his guest Jack Posoby discuss the horrific toll of the Battle of Kharkiv, and the lack of media coverage of it.

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00:00:00.000 it's saturday uh 27 may in the year of lor 2023 we're starting our weekend uh commemoration of
00:00:18.000 the honored dead uh this is memorial day weekend uh as a long time either listeners to the show
00:00:25.200 over at breitbart radio or even in my time at victory sessions in wabc in um la or now with the
00:00:33.080 war room know that we take memorial day here very very seriously uh in the next out not in this hour
00:00:39.420 i got jack posoby the next hour patrick k o'donnell the uh leading combat historian of a generation
00:00:45.360 will join me and patrick k o'donnell and captain maureen banner will be with me on monday we do
00:00:50.740 our memorial day special i want to bring in now a jack posoby jack is a former naval officer
00:00:56.040 jack i want to um talk about in this air in this hour and pick your brain is the
00:01:04.700 the one things we talk about that we're going to talk about with patrick k o'donnell the next hour
00:01:08.960 is the the the level of violence in these conflicts i think you know this weekend is not veterans day
00:01:14.800 this weekend is not about people's service i understand a lot of well-meaning people come
00:01:18.460 up and thank you for your service and all that during this weekend this weekend is about not
00:01:22.680 even about the the injured right the horrible casualties we've had this is about the honored
00:01:27.420 dead this is about those who gave their lives in defense of their country in defense of this
00:01:32.460 republic and it's now over i think a million killed in actions uh as a former naval officer put it in
00:01:38.100 perspective before we start talking about some of the levels of violence and the different wars of
00:01:42.260 the united states of america and we're going to talk about the modern wars uh in ukraine and
00:01:47.340 places like fallujah jack basobik
00:01:49.900 look steve uh when we look at memorial day and we look about people who are fighting for their
00:01:58.460 country people who are dying for their country when you talk about what's going on not only with
00:02:03.600 u.s wars but also the current wars that we're seeing in the east right now regardless of your
00:02:09.080 feelings on ukraine and nato and and zelinski and putin etc i don't think anybody holds anyone in
00:02:16.520 disregard in any way it's always respectful to be fighting for your home to be fighting for your
00:02:21.320 country but i do think that when we talk about these wars and this war particularly in ukraine we
00:02:27.520 just wrapped up or we saw they just wrapped up the battle of bakmut here people don't realize the
00:02:34.120 scale of this thing and i think that in western media we've been gas lit so much other than a few
00:02:40.320 accounts like there's this one in the new yorker that just dropped very quietly a couple of days ago
00:02:44.900 about actual uh from the front reporting but where but there's no videos there's barely any pictures
00:02:51.680 of it you know you see a few shots here and there but they're not showing every night steve the battle
00:02:56.980 of bakmut was 10 times the size of the second battle of fallujah that we all talk about there's so many
00:03:03.620 documentaries about it there's there's uh movies about it ronda santis talks about it uh because he was
00:03:09.880 attached to one of the seal units uh they're serving in a jag capacity legal capacity and so
00:03:15.240 we don't seem to realize though that the this war this just one battle of this war was on a world war
00:03:23.360 ii scale or at least something that we haven't seen since world war ii because since world war ii
00:03:28.700 really since the 1950s maybe the 1970s we haven't gone up against a near peer great power the united
00:03:35.940 states hasn't typically we've been fighting uh you know you're fighting the jungles of ho chi min 0.95
00:03:40.480 you're fighting in the deserts whether it's the taliban or al-qaeda isis you're not going up against
00:03:47.100 an enemy or another combatant that is the same type of combat capability as you would see today with the
00:03:54.400 russian federation that's what nato's against and in this battle of bakmut specifically you had nato
00:03:59.420 going up against not even the russian regular army they were going up against this wagner um these
00:04:05.540 mercenaries basically uh some of them conscripts some of them these guys they were given you know
00:04:10.260 convicts who were given uh you know get out of jail free passes if you agree to go up to the front
00:04:14.960 this was not the trained military and yet you had just in terms of the sheer numbers um and it's hard
00:04:20.740 to get again ground truth from what's going on here that's why we've got to rely on people who are
00:04:25.680 there journalists who are there the bits and pieces that we can get from the videos we're seeing
00:04:29.980 i've seen as many numbers the total is 40 000 dead 50 000 dead just on the ukrainian side
00:04:37.540 possibly as many as up to 150 000 people fought here over the last 200 days
00:04:42.620 i have one of one of the purposes of doing this commemoration is to make sure that we don't have
00:04:48.460 these situations again particularly more american combat casualties you know i'll be talking specifically
00:04:54.800 in the next hour with patrick who was embedded he was embedded not as a war correspondent he was
00:04:59.400 embedded as a combat historian with a rifle marine rifle squad and i think the book is we are one uh
00:05:06.120 we'll talk about that in the next hour but fallujah has been the biggest battle and fallujah by the way
00:05:11.680 jack as you know is one of the bigger battles in marine corps history i mean that was in a city
00:05:16.240 the marine corps you know very rarely goes in the cities of what 250 000 people and have to go door to
00:05:21.800 door that battle was horrific and the casualties we took in that battle were horrific and the scars
00:05:27.980 of that battle left uh were horrific but what we're trying to avoid here in ukraine and this is why
00:05:33.760 i think what posobics witness is so important is that the scale of whenever you fight in that part of the
00:05:40.640 war world the scale is just bigger like in world war ii jack talk to the audience for us to let them
00:05:46.880 what's the difference and you know this given your polish heritage what's the difference between
00:05:51.640 the eastern front of world war ii and and the great heroism shown and we're coming up on the
00:05:58.860 anniversary of d-day in a couple of weeks and and the western front or the the western theater
00:06:04.120 of operations in world war ii versus the eastern front and things like uh what operation barbarossa
00:06:11.920 when you have to understand about operation barbarossa is this wasn't this was you know we we watch um
00:06:21.060 you know we watch band of brothers we watch saving private ryan we watch all the great
00:06:25.160 and wonderful and sacred american movies that tell the stories of these sacred soldiers
00:06:29.580 that but we don't hear about the scale and it is a difference of scale an exponential difference of
00:06:36.000 scale on the eastern front just because the eastern front is so massive and you have to remember people
00:06:40.960 have to remember that uh there were people over there fighting uh they're not being sent over to fight
00:06:46.880 these are people that are fighting in their homes these are people that are fighting in their
00:06:50.500 backyards their front yards these are kids and and when i've talked to uh uh my wife tanya tay about
00:06:56.500 this and i said well you know with most americans in my generation you'll say you know did your
00:07:00.660 grandfather fight you know and she'll say no it's my great-grandfather why because these guys were
00:07:04.960 being sent over in their 40s their 50s their 60s and they would all continue on marching towards
00:07:10.540 berlin and it wasn't this idea of like 18 to 24 it was everybody you let you were given your rifle and
00:07:16.980 you were said sent to the front with no step back
00:07:20.100 in in the scale and by the way some of the things in barbara and barbarossa and in uh the eastern front
00:07:29.080 were this is why patton and eisenhower and general marshall all the the brains of the american high
00:07:37.300 command under no such a situation or circumstance would we ever allow american troops over there
00:07:45.020 or even american support operations over there we would send them equipment but no even logistics uh
00:07:51.720 opera you know operations because you're getting sucked into something that is so bottomless as far as
00:07:58.320 the casualties could go we couldn't do it and we wouldn't do it although we were the uh the arsenal
00:08:04.000 for democracy when it when it when it happened uh and you're seeing the same thing here today but go
00:08:09.500 to tell me about the scale of the battle of kursk uh of stalingrad which are what a couple hundred
00:08:15.540 miles from where the battlefront is just going across ukraine one of the bloodiest you know the the nazis
00:08:21.560 pierce this is one to ukraine get to the oil fields
00:08:24.140 this is why people need to look at the maps of this area to understand because i know these names are you
00:08:30.880 know not not names that we're familiar with this isn't monte cassino this isn't rome this isn't
00:08:34.600 normandy this is geography that not a lot of americans are familiar with if you look at those
00:08:38.600 battles kursk stalingrad and now bakmut they're all generally in the same relative neighborhood
00:08:44.560 they're all within a couple hours of each other uh the reason for this is because the germans
00:08:49.900 understood the russians have understood from time memorial even going back to the time of the vikings
00:08:55.020 that's the volga river uh that's where stalingrad is now volk that's why it's called volgograd this is
00:09:00.380 to the russians their mother river this is the one where if you're able to take that out and this
00:09:06.760 is why the germans tried to do it twice that if you're able to sever moscow from the caucuses
00:09:11.360 from their access to the middle eastern oil fields then you can essentially you can essentially cut
00:09:16.340 them off from their supply lines and then what are you going to do get supply get your uh your mineral
00:09:21.360 supplies out of siberia it's too long you're never going to be able to keep it up that's why they know
00:09:25.700 that if you cut off this geo-strategic area for russia which starts in the donbass then sends
00:09:32.040 heads all the way over to stalingrad this is the area which connects your volga river with the sea of
00:09:38.180 azov then the black sea and on the other end the caspian sea you cut moscow off from the caucuses 1.00
00:09:43.800 you will you will directly strike a blow that will eventually lead to the end of russia this is why
00:09:50.600 the russians will fight and have fought tooth and a battle of stalingrad largest battle in human
00:09:56.400 history even the civil wars of china were not didn't have battles that actually were bigger than
00:10:01.060 the battle of stalingrad battle of kursk the largest tank battle in history we're talking on a scale of
00:10:06.680 something that you wouldn't see out of uh out of the movies things that americans can't even comprehend
00:10:12.820 imagine an entire like the entire state of ohio just reduced to a battlefield every single city in
00:10:19.300 ohio reduced to rumble and in many of these cases on the area that's now poland on the area that's
00:10:24.560 now ukraine on the area that's now belarus that is the battlefield where these where these battles
00:10:29.240 were fought that's why you when you go over there now they don't have very many great cities or very
00:10:34.560 many old structures there why because they were gone when i you know when i go back to tanya today's
00:10:39.200 hometown in belarus you say well wait a minute this town's been here for 500 years where's all the old
00:10:43.780 where's all your old churches where's all your old buildings where's you know the old uh
00:10:47.980 mansion or something they're all gone they've all been wiped out in years after years because this
00:10:53.200 is the bloodlands of europe this is where the empires of the east fought against the empires of
00:10:58.600 the west and these areas where if you want to get involved into a war here like we've like napoleon
00:11:04.280 tried like the germans tried twice we know that it always ends in bloodshed it always ends in some of
00:11:10.760 the largest battles in european history and so the idea that we have that oh we're going to make a go for
00:11:17.260 because we've got better technology and we've got you know we've got history on our side we've got
00:11:21.820 morality on our side well guess what that's what they think too and they're not they definitely
00:11:26.240 remember the russians definitely remember how to fight on this land because they've they've fought
00:11:31.020 and won this land how many times in recent history when we study battle at the american war college
00:11:37.260 whether you're going through naval war college in newport whether you're going for through the uh the
00:11:41.440 army war college in pennsylvania and carlisle you are going to study the american battles when the russians go
00:11:46.780 through russian war college what do you think they're studying they're studying the battle of
00:11:49.580 stalingrad they're studying the battle of kursk they're studying the strategy and they don't do
00:11:53.720 the type of battles that we are used to in the west they don't fight the way western europeans the
00:11:58.180 blitzkrieg the thunder runs that we saw in iraq or uh or or in going through kuwait either time in
00:12:03.760 iraq really no no no no it's all battles of attrition it's encirclement it's cauldrons and then
00:12:10.340 they slowly but surely wind you down step by step piece by piece and i do think i do think
00:12:17.880 that the initial invasion into ukraine with only a hundred thousand feet on a hundred thousand troops
00:12:22.540 was not meant to be a full-on occupation you can't occupy ukraine with only a hundred thousand troops
00:12:27.920 i think that was a blow intended to knock the regime out essentially they wanted zelinski to step
00:12:33.220 down then they would flee then they'd be able to install a puppet in their place uh zelinski we know 0.67
00:12:38.560 the history though doesn't do that he decides to stay the americans say you're going to stay
00:12:42.960 um nato says you're going to stay and so what do the russians do they pull back they take up
00:12:48.020 defensive positions and then they slowly go back to their ground and pound strategy where they just
00:12:53.320 grind you down grind you down grind you down and i've been to this area everyone anyone who's been
00:12:58.420 to this area flown over you get it there are no natural boundaries there's no mountains uh there's
00:13:04.120 there's few rivers basically are they your only natural boundaries it seems like it might
00:13:08.540 make sense you might you might get a sense like this is why napoleon thought he could make it
00:13:12.160 then napoleon of course did make it all the way to moscow you might get a sense this is why the
00:13:15.220 germans thought they could make it all those times but the problem is when you penetrate so far 0.99
00:13:19.100 into russia and this happens in every world war when you penetrate so far in you realize that
00:13:24.000 your supply lines are stretched thin and then you are surrounded on all sides by russia
00:13:28.320 don't have to take my words you can listen to the new yorker yeah listen to this in the
00:13:33.420 trenches in the new yorker luke cokelton just got back from two weeks the trenches of donbass
00:13:38.320 infantry fire unrelenting horrors missiles grenades helicopters hellfire from artillery
00:13:43.640 raining down on you you can't just you can't distinguish between craters national natural
00:13:48.780 topography and the bodies of infantrymen
00:13:51.040 okay uh on the memorial day weekend for our honored dead the commemoration in 2023 we are
00:14:02.740 currently looking at a war in the eurasian landmass both in ukraine and in the south china sea and on
00:14:08.180 the east and east china sea um in world war ii we had russian allies and we had chinese allies that
00:14:16.600 provided the bulk of the manpower and fought on the eurasian landmass we rolled up through the
00:14:21.040 islands to take on japan and came in from the west with d-day and aerial bombing in italy through
00:14:27.300 italy to take on the nazis and the fascists we're going to both discuss uh this war in the eurasian
00:14:32.960 landmass and make sure that we put a marker down no american casualties all next in the war room 0.57
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00:17:18.760 Okay, welcome back. It is our Memorial Day weekend special. We kick off today. I have Jack Posobiec, a former naval officer, and of course, Patrick O'Donnell in the next hour. And then on Monday, we have Patrick O'Donnell, myself, and Captain Maureen Bannon.
00:17:36.260 Jack, go back to Bakhmut, because we're going to talk South China Sea and Taiwan in the next segment. But I want to make sure everybody's got there. This has kind of fallen off the front page.
00:17:50.980 And the reason it's fallen off the front page is because the Biden regime and the media don't want to talk about what's actually going on. And they certainly don't want you to know what's going on in Bakhmut. Go back to that New Yorker piece.
00:18:01.700 Because I'd like you if you reread that right now, and let's talk about Bakhmut and what actually happened there.
00:18:07.760 I mean, Steve, I highly encourage everyone to go and read this report out of the New Yorker because, you know, I know people will say they'll say, oh, well, Posobiec, you know that you're just following stuff on Telegram.
00:18:21.100 You don't know who's putting that out. I say, well, there's your source videos from on the ground.
00:18:24.000 Or they'll say, we see something on Twitter. You don't know who's putting out. OK, here's the New Yorker. All right. This is the same the same reporting that you could stand up anywhere.
00:18:32.700 This is a mainstream and honestly, center left kind of publication. And you can read that these reports always seem to be the same narrative that you find from people who are on the ground.
00:18:44.940 It's not the mainstream narrative that you're getting every night on CNN, even Fox News to some extent.
00:18:50.060 But when you talk about this and here's here's an example from a Ukrainian.
00:18:56.100 The Wagner forces brought in waves of convicts that proved too much for the Ukrainians were still reeling from Kherson's battle, had not yet replenished their ranks and materiel.
00:19:07.560 The commander of the battalion, a 39 year old lieutenant colonel named Pavlo, said of the Wagner fighters, they were like zombies.
00:19:14.380 They use the prisoners like a wall of meat. It didn't matter how many killed. They kept coming.
00:19:19.360 Within weeks, the battalion faced annihilation. Entire platoons wiped out in close contact firefights.
00:19:25.400 Some 70 men encircled and massacred. The dwindling survivors, one officer told me, became useless because they were so tired.
00:19:32.760 One Russian said that. That because they're losing so many of skipping ahead a little bit here because they're losing so many troops, they're now on the Ukrainian side forced to bring in new draftees.
00:19:44.380 But the problem with the new draftees is that every time you do a mobilization, you're now running out of experienced trained fighters.
00:19:50.600 And Ukraine's already seen several waves of general mobilization at this point.
00:19:55.260 That means the people you're getting in, you're getting civilians, you're getting people with no experience, people who spent maybe the first time they've ever held a gun is the one you gave to them.
00:20:03.620 And you're sending those kids up to the front lines now.
00:20:06.080 This is basically Germany at the very end of World War II and the Battle of Berlin, where it's all kids and senior citizens that are holding the line at the very end because all of the trained fighters in the Wehrmacht had been completely wiped out at that point.
00:20:18.740 And then you hear things. These guys don't have the stamina. They get scared. They panic.
00:20:24.020 And one line, where was it? He said.
00:20:29.860 There's a phenomenon that they're seeing because of the high attrition rate called reverse natural selection, reverse natural selection, because seasoned infantrymen, and it mentions a few of them here, became extremely fatigued and then go AWOL.
00:20:44.900 Because they say they get into a bad place psychologically and they need a break, then they run back home, then they're running back to the trenches out of a sense of guilt and a sense of loyalty.
00:20:54.560 But that being said, keep in mind, when you're on that zero line up there, every single night you are under the rain of hellfire from the Russian artillery.
00:21:02.640 So, again, when we keep reporting, this is, I mean, this goes on. It's easily a 10,000-word article.
00:21:08.080 And if you're looking for some reporting this weekend that you can say, look, this isn't human events.
00:21:13.960 This isn't the war room. This is from the New Yorker saying that you are putting people into the meat grinder over there.
00:21:21.740 And, in fact, it's cannon fodder. That's what's going on.
00:21:24.640 You've got cannon fodder on both sides that are being thrown at each other.
00:21:27.800 And if the United States continues on this path, then you might start to see Americans being drafted up and called for this specifically because we've got some obsession with winning this fight.
00:21:40.640 You've got – you've had, I think, Orban and others this week starting to say there's impossible for Ukraine to achieve a military victory in any time of the foreseeable future.
00:21:50.300 People are talking about this.
00:21:51.380 Orban said it's obvious there will be no victory for the poor Ukrainians.
00:21:57.060 But this means eventually – look, they've got your money now.
00:22:00.700 We're in the middle of this huge debt ceiling debate, right, in the middle of this.
00:22:04.720 And they refuse to even talk about defense cuts.
00:22:08.140 More importantly, they will not give up the hundreds of billions of dollars they're sending over to Ukraine right now.
00:22:13.600 When you say meat grinder, that's why I want to go back and compare and contrast because we don't have this now.
00:22:17.040 If you look at World War II, of the great heroism that we provided in World War II, and you talk about D-Day, you talk about the Eighth Air Force over Nazi Germany, you talk about Patton breaking out of the hedgerows and his journey across France.
00:22:36.080 The West, particularly the British and Americans, were always particularly focused on not having tremendous combat casualties, right?
00:22:44.400 When Kazarine Pass happened early in the war, a ton of generals got fired because you just weren't going to throw even untrained American kids just in his cannon fodder.
00:22:55.080 The Russians and the Chinese, this is how they fight, particularly the Russians. 0.85
00:22:58.380 Talk – go once again about the difference between the Western mentality of war and the Russian mentality of war and how that delivered – really delivered victory for us in World War II by destroying the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, sir.
00:23:11.000 Right. So, again, this is the idea – this is how the Russians won Stalingrad.
00:23:17.500 They didn't win Stalingrad because they had the best tanks.
00:23:19.680 They certainly didn't have the best planes.
00:23:22.020 No one was ever going to accuse Russians in World War II of having air superiority.
00:23:25.500 What do they have?
00:23:26.100 They have a lot of Russians, and they have a lot of people, and they just keep coming. 1.00
00:23:30.660 You know, Bismarck had a line about the Russians years ago where he said the thing about fighting the Russians is that you have to shoot them twice, once to kill them, and then one more time to knock them over.
00:23:39.340 And it's this idea that you've got a people that have lived through so many invasions and fight in a very different way. 0.88
00:23:47.740 They fight in a way where it is an idea of no surrender whatsoever, that you are going to keep coming.
00:23:54.120 You're going to keep marching.
00:23:54.980 Keep in mind, in World War I, World War I, Russia never even was defeated by the Germans.
00:23:59.400 What happened in World War I was the Germans sent in Lenin.
00:24:01.940 They launched the Bolshevik Revolution.
00:24:03.660 The Russians start fighting amongst themselves.
00:24:06.740 Then they come up.
00:24:07.520 Then you get the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which essentially takes them out.
00:24:11.380 But then what happens in the interim is that you get the Soviet Union becomes formed, which obviously was a terror and a horrific disaster for the entire world. 0.97
00:24:21.100 So we tried these regime change operations in Russia before.
00:24:25.440 You look how it turns out.
00:24:26.540 Not so good.
00:24:27.140 But the difference between the thinking is that we in the West will say, OK, we're going to put some troops in.
00:24:34.400 We think of pincer operations.
00:24:35.820 We think of these various different movements in Russia.
00:24:38.600 It's we are going to send people and we are going to continue sending people until we've taken that land, whether it's Bakhmut, whether it's Kursk, whether it's Stalingrad. 0.84
00:24:46.480 It's no step back and this blood soaked land that they fought for and into destroying, by the way, destroying the Nazi army.
00:24:55.080 OK, getting all the way to Berlin, climbing to the top of the Reichstag and knocking that eagle off and tearing its wings off and crashing it to the ground.
00:25:03.700 I think a lot of Americans miss out on how that plays into the Russian psyche, because we sort of in our World War Two history, we you know, we remember D-Day.
00:25:16.520 We remember Pearl Harbor.
00:25:18.140 We remember a couple of battles of of the war.
00:25:21.580 And then suddenly we switch to the Pacific and Iwo Jima, then Nagasaki, Hiroshima.
00:25:26.600 We don't really talk about the Battle of Berlin.
00:25:28.680 No, no, no. But by the way, about hang on, Jack.
00:25:32.160 But I think that's I think that's where American history is one of the reasons we do so much of this in the war room.
00:25:38.240 I think people feel it's Pearl Harbor, D-Day, the Holocaust and the Hiroshima and the Holocaust.
00:25:44.340 That's it. That's what young people know about World War Two.
00:25:47.740 They don't know even about our sacrifice.
00:25:49.700 You're missing much less.
00:25:54.120 Go ahead.
00:25:54.760 All right. You're missing the fact that you're missing the fact that the Red Army did push all the way through, joined, joined up, by the way, with the Poles at one point towards the end.
00:26:04.140 Then Ukrainians, Belarusians, this massive Slavic force, which makes it all the way in to Berlin under Marshal Zhukov. 0.61
00:26:11.300 And of course, they send in the Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians first with 6000 tanks as battering rams through the German defenses into Berlin. 0.89
00:26:19.720 Now, there have been air campaigns by the Americans and the British, to be sure.
00:26:24.820 These strategic bombing campaigns like, of course, Dresden, we know about that were absolutely horrific and just slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Germans.
00:26:33.560 Many times, by the way, these strategic air campaigns happen in France, too, which did end up taking this is if you read Kurt Vonnegut.
00:26:39.520 This is where Slaughterhouse, his Slaughterhouse novel comes from, because he had been shot down and then ended up being in one of the POW camps.
00:26:47.440 He was in this this meat house in the basement while the strategic bombings were going on as a prisoner of the Germans.
00:26:53.600 And yet we miss so much of the ground battle that took place on the Eastern Front and then marched up into Germany because, by and large, these American, you know, the American Band of Brothers and our troops were not involved.
00:27:06.160 But if you're missing that out, the Europe, I guarantee you, the Europeans remember it.
00:27:10.300 And I certainly guarantee you the Russians and everyone in Eastern Europe remember it.
00:27:14.260 OK, we need to avoid any American combat troops, special forces and others in anything to do around this Ukraine war.
00:27:23.600 We take a short commercial record. We come with that.
00:27:25.580 Also, the inevitable kinetic war in the South China Sea, in the Straits of Taiwan and the defense of Taiwan, given the feckless nature of the Biden regime.
00:27:36.140 OK, short commercial break. We're going to come back with the kickoff to our Memorial Day weekend here in the war room.
00:27:44.260 Thank you.
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00:30:40.680 OK, welcome back. You're in the war room.
00:30:56.100 Jack Posobiec, how do we avoid, walk me through how they're going to try to suck in American combat troops into this, into the Western front now of the war in the Eurasian landmass, sir.
00:31:07.860 Well, Steve, this is what Mearsheimer has warned us about, and we call it Mearsheimer's warning because he looks at the twin crises that are escalating on America's two fronts, whether it be the South China Sea and Taiwan on one end, and then the Eurasian landmass and the land battle, the proxy war that we are already in with the Russian Federation.
00:31:31.260 And he says if the United States escalates both of these conflicts at the same time, that you are now going to find yourselves in a two front world war.
00:31:40.560 This is a situation that would be absolutely disastrous for the United States.
00:31:45.080 We would certainly lose our standing in the world, not to mention the standing of the U.S. dollar, which, of course, BRICS, the yuan, the ruble are already working to undercut. 0.99
00:31:53.660 And so the way to avoid this and avoid what, of course, is referred to as the great trap of the Peloponnesian War is this idea, the Thucydides trap, this idea that if you can push this to de-escalation, if you can push for peace, and I've only ever heard one person calling for peace, and that's President Trump.
00:32:17.260 We just had the G7 meeting last week up in Japan, and everybody's out there crowding around Zelensky, we're going to give you more money, we're going to give you more F-16s, we're going to give you more fighters.
00:32:25.800 And keep in mind, this is on the back of losing in Bakhmut.
00:32:29.000 And you can argue about how many soldiers were lost and et cetera.
00:32:32.060 This is the largest battle of this war that's been fought since, the largest battle of Europe since World War II, the largest battle for the 21st century.
00:32:38.340 And so you're doubling down.
00:32:39.860 That's called the sunk cost fallacy.
00:32:42.780 It's that we've spent so much money on it, we've got to continue spending more, and then we're going to win.
00:32:46.860 No, that's the sunk cost fallacy.
00:32:48.540 The fundamentals simply aren't there.
00:32:50.500 And I think Orban is right.
00:32:51.600 I think Trump is right.
00:32:52.660 You've got to find a way to call for a peaceful resolution here, because the next step, Steve, I'm going to explain to you what the next step is.
00:32:58.840 Because they're going to say, well, who can service these F-16s?
00:33:02.160 And then they're going to say, well, we're going to need American mechanics and American engineers, and they're going to service the F-16s.
00:33:08.600 And then you're going to have Americans or maybe other NATO fighters, NATO soldiers, troops that are in, they're going to say, well, they're going to say, you know, we can't fly them all the way back to Poland or NATO safe territory to be able to maintain these things.
00:33:21.420 So we're going to establish a NATO, you know, a conventional maintenance center inside of Ukraine, close to Lviv, you know, far away from the front.
00:33:30.260 And then we'll fly everything back there.
00:33:31.860 We'll use that for the tanks.
00:33:32.860 This is what, and over at humanevents.com, this is exactly what Alexander Vindman, remember, Colonel Vindman, was trying to work on.
00:33:41.240 He wanted to send American contractors and American engineers over there, he was looking to raise money for this, raise funding for it, so he could send Americans over there to be in harm's way to maintain equipment.
00:33:52.120 And so they're going to say, well, we need the maintenance center.
00:33:54.220 But in order to have the maintenance center, we're going to need to establish a NATO safe zone, a NATO green zone, a diplomatic corridor.
00:34:01.600 And that's going to be in the Lviv area.
00:34:03.620 And at some point, the Russians are going to point out this and say, you know what, enough is enough.
00:34:08.740 And just in the same way that Nixon and Kissinger bombed, carpet bombed Cambodia, because that's where the Viet Cong were running over to hide into, because, you know, it was the secret bombing campaign, which we're not going to be able to do anymore, because he can't do secret campaigns in the age of social media, that he's going to say, you know what, enough is enough.
00:34:24.780 We have to cut off their supply lines, so we're going to go in.
00:34:28.340 And then you're going to lead to, what, a couple of NATO soldiers dying, possibly Americans dying, maybe it's American contractors.
00:34:35.000 And every single day, we are inching closer and closer and closer.
00:34:39.800 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:34:41.580 A missile or something is going to go off in Poland.
00:34:45.500 They're going to say Article 5, right?
00:34:48.760 They're going to say Article 5.
00:34:50.340 Next thing you know, we're going to have special forces.
00:34:52.540 They've got logistics, special forces, then combat troops.
00:34:54.860 We're trying to, we're going to end this hour with photography.
00:34:59.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:35:00.020 I will push back on something on that, Steve.
00:35:02.260 Like, do you, do you really think, and I'll say this to everybody listening, do we really think that we don't have American special forces on the ground in Ukraine right now already?
00:35:12.760 Okay, fine.
00:35:13.500 I want to talk about that.
00:35:14.380 By the way, we're going to end with Section 60.
00:35:16.180 What we're trying to avoid in the next one is to avoid having any more Section 60s over at Arlington National Cemetery. 1.00
00:35:23.960 That was a new section they opened up for the Afghan and Iraq killed in actions, KIAs. 1.00
00:35:29.800 That's where you go over, you see the young families.
00:35:31.580 We want to avoid that.
00:35:32.740 We do not want combat troops into Ukraine.
00:35:35.700 Are you saying right now, Jack, do you think there's a high probability of American special forces already in Ukraine?
00:35:41.300 Steve, I don't need to think that because we know that this was, this is what came out in those leaked documents from that Air National Guardsman up in Massachusetts, Dak Chachera.
00:35:52.860 He specifically said that of the special forces detachments that were in Ukraine, it was pretty much every major NATO country to include the U.S., to include the U.K., soft special operations forces, boots on the ground in Ukraine conducting operations right now.
00:36:07.040 Jack, one more time, before we pivot to the South China Sea and Taiwan, I just want you to go over the scale.
00:36:16.000 And this is what people don't understand.
00:36:17.120 Since the biggest battles in late 1944, including the Battle of the Bulge and into 1945, the Battle of Berlin that led up to the collapse of the Nazis in May of 1945, the biggest land war fought since then has been around this strategic hamlet, I guess, of Bachmut, a town of 70,000.
00:36:45.780 Walk me through your best, what people are banding about, what the casualties, civilian and military casualties around this town have been.
00:36:55.640 So there's a line here, I'll pull it up, I've got it in my message here, where you've got people on both sides calling out what the casualty numbers are.
00:37:06.060 So Prigozhin, who is the head of the Wagner group, so you're going to assume that he's going to deflate the Russian numbers, inflate the Ukrainian numbers a little bit, but it's pretty close to what you're seeing in some of the media.
00:37:17.400 He's saying that the Wagner group, the PMC, had up to 50,000 troops in Bachmut.
00:37:24.600 Wagner losses were 10,000 dead.
00:37:27.020 The armed forces of Ukraine had 80,000 troops in Bachmut and 40,000 dead.
00:37:32.080 That's a four to one ratio, Steve, four to one ratio he's claiming out of this.
00:37:36.880 Now, I'm sure that they're going to claim otherwise in terms of it, but I don't think those numbers are too far off when you look at the general scale of things in terms of even what Western sources are saying.
00:37:48.720 And so this idea that, OK, sure, Battle of the Bulge, we're not seeing that scale yet, but we're getting close.
00:37:54.600 Because when the Russians start moving, keep in mind, the Wagner group, this is a mercenary company, Steve. 0.52
00:38:00.600 This is like this is like, you know, send Eric Prince and his guys over and give Eric Prince 50,000 troops and have him go take Fallujah, go take one of the cities in Iraq.
00:38:09.700 Right. It's just it's something that we've never seen in the United States.
00:38:13.200 This isn't a regular Russian army.
00:38:14.860 But we haven't seen, by the way, 80,000, I want to talk about civilian casualties, 80,000 troops, 40,000 casualties.
00:38:21.520 That's 50 percent killed. These are KIAs. That's not even wounded. 0.94
00:38:26.240 50 percent KIA rates, it boggles the mind.
00:38:32.800 50,000 dead, not including Russian troops, just the mercenaries, 50,000 dead, not including the civilians.
00:38:39.000 This is a town of 70,000. I think there's 2,000 civilians left is where I thought the last number.
00:38:44.820 And I'm sure most of those fled, but there could be 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 dead folks from the town of Bakhmut.
00:38:53.700 That's the scale of this is massive. And nobody's talking about the scale.
00:38:57.700 If we get sucked into this, you're going to have multiple Section 60s over at Arlington National Cemetery. 0.98
00:39:04.200 That's what we're trying to avoid. Jack Posobiec.
00:39:05.960 Look, Steve, when we visited there last year, and we even went down to Nikolayev, which is right across from Kherson,
00:39:15.000 this is before the main Kherson pullout took place by the Russians,
00:39:18.500 that the main thing that we saw on the ground, my brother and I, was that,
00:39:23.500 after taking the night train to Odessa, is that the people of Ukraine don't deserve this.
00:39:27.620 The people of Ukraine that are caught in the middle, the men, the women, the children, 0.85
00:39:32.960 they're just trying to live their lives. They don't want to be caught up in the geopolitics of the day.
00:39:37.300 They don't want to be caught up in these G.I. Joe narratives of Marvel movies,
00:39:43.140 who's the Avengers, who's the bad guy, you know, good and evil, right?
00:39:47.940 They're just trying to get through their lives. In some cases, they don't have the ability to leave.
00:39:52.780 In some cases, they just don't want to leave because it's their home, and it's always been their home.
00:39:56.120 And this has been the problem, the great tragedy of Eastern Europe, and it gives me a better sense, 0.97
00:40:02.400 I guess I would say, of my own family as to why my ancestors decided to leave Poland when they decided to leave
00:40:09.500 because Poland's a wonderful country, but the neighbors are not so good.
00:40:13.440 And when you talk about the possibility of some of these missiles landing,
00:40:17.080 when those missiles that turned out to be errantly fired by Ukraine a couple of months ago landed in,
00:40:23.280 killed a couple of Polish farmers, it was only a few miles away from where my family still lives
00:40:27.640 in Poland, right on the border with Ukraine.
00:40:30.780 So we're very, very close to where Lviv is, just on the Polish side.
00:40:35.600 In fact, when we were there a couple of weeks ago, you can actually see as you're driving into the village,
00:40:39.720 you can see signs on the highway for Lviv.
00:40:42.220 It says Lviv a couple more miles.
00:40:43.780 Now, obviously, there's a little bit more of border security than there has been in the past.
00:40:48.580 But you know what? That fighting, it doesn't have to move very far until there's Posobics that are caught up in the middle, 1.00
00:40:54.240 and that's the last thing that I want to see.
00:40:56.020 That's the last thing I think that anybody wants to see, because when you look at these videos, you have to remember,
00:41:00.020 this isn't, you know, even in World War I, we talked about fighting over there,
00:41:04.260 but for the people who live there, it isn't over there.
00:41:06.320 It's fighting in your home. It's fighting on your street.
00:41:08.740 It's fighting in your town, fighting at your school, your children's school.
00:41:12.520 This is something that Americans, outside of the movie Red Dawn, the great John Milius,
00:41:17.280 the father of Amanda Milius' movie Red Dawn,
00:41:19.240 we've never even had to consider because it's never happened in U.S. history,
00:41:23.560 you know, unless you want to count the Civil War.
00:41:26.040 And so there's an idea, I think, of Americans that war is something that you go to,
00:41:30.340 but we don't understand what it's like when war comes to you, and that's what's happened here.
00:41:35.440 When we talk about war comes to us, you know, we have a huge audience in the Tide War,
00:41:39.000 the Norfolk Naval Station, the Tidewater area in Virginia.
00:41:43.820 I want to pivot to Taiwan, South China Sea. 0.83
00:41:47.280 A carrier battle group roughly, I think, has 10,000 to 12,000 sailors in it.
00:41:51.800 We've got about a minute here, Jack, before we go to the next break.
00:41:56.460 Is it a possibility, as you see it, that a carrier battle group could actually be at the bottom of the Straits of Taiwan
00:42:01.640 or the South China Sea in this coming kinetic war with the CCP?
00:42:04.660 Well, that's what China's training their hypersonic missiles for, the glide vehicles.
00:42:09.780 They're specifically training them to go after these aircraft carriers
00:42:12.520 because if you can get through that missile shield that's provided by the Aegis system,
00:42:17.080 by the destroyers and cruisers, then that aircraft carrier is essentially a sitting target.
00:42:21.440 You can't exactly maneuver it.
00:42:22.400 Jack Posobiec is going to hang with us.
00:42:26.580 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:42:29.140 We're kicking off Memorial Day weekend, the most solemn civic holiday in the American pantheon.
00:42:36.880 This weekend, we've got on Saturday, we've got Jack Posobiec here with us for this hour.
00:42:41.760 Patrick K. O'Donnell is going to join us momentarily.
00:42:45.100 We've also got Patrick K. O'Donnell on Monday where we do our annual and traditional Memorial Day special.
00:42:51.600 And Captain Maureen Bannon will also join us.
00:42:53.340 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:42:55.240 We're going to be back with former naval officer Jack Posobiec in a moment.
00:42:59.060 Army K. O'Donnell on Monday where we are.
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00:46:29.980 I've got a couple minutes here, and I want to turn it over to Jack Posobiec.
00:46:33.540 Jack, we're trying to, in the kickoff hour of a Memorial Day commemoration, we're trying to make sure we don't have any more Section 60s, which was opened up for the Iraq and Afghanistan vets.
00:46:43.500 The American military, the American people have bled enough in these foreign wars.
00:46:48.480 We don't want another one on the Urasian landmass. 0.99
00:46:51.040 Although it looks like we're heading to one in the South China Sea in the Straits of Taiwan.
00:46:55.200 I know you know China better than anybody.
00:46:56.600 What is your thoughts and how bad it will be if we actually get into a kinetic war, sir?
00:47:02.080 Getting into a kinetic war with China would be one of the most, I think, bloody and disastrous. 0.97
00:47:12.400 For the United States, for particularly, of course, my beloved United States Navy, you look at some of the issues the United States Navy's had over the past couple of years, particularly in the 7th Fleet, which is the fleet that would bear the brunt of any military operations.
00:47:28.640 That's the fleet that's forward deployed to Yokosuka, Japan, where I worked out of, where I served out of many times, as well as serving out of stations in Guam and other parts of the East Asia Theater in the Pacific.
00:47:39.260 So when we look at the situation there, what the PLA is doing, the People's Liberation Army and Navy, they are tightening the noose around Taiwan militarily, not only in terms of their ability to build up their own forces.
00:47:56.400 And I talked a little bit about the hypersonic glide vehicles, these hypersonic missiles that would have the ability to take out a U.S. carrier group that we are essentially unable to defend against.
00:48:04.200 By the way, if you want to piggyback off of Ukraine, we just saw a Russian hypersonic missile, and even though Raytheon doesn't like to hear it, a Russian hypersonic missile, a Kinzhal, just took out a U.S. Patriot battery.
00:48:16.880 This is supposed to be our best anti-air defense system, and a Russian hypersonic missile just took it out a couple of weeks ago.
00:48:22.700 So you better believe that even though they're not talking about it publicly, the war planners over at the Pentagon are freaking out at seeing this.
00:48:31.400 That's supposed to be the best of the best.
00:48:33.260 And if you can take out their batteries, then guess what?
00:48:35.280 You can take out an aircraft carrier.
00:48:37.080 You take out a carrier.
00:48:38.200 These are floating airports.
00:48:39.320 They don't have a lot of ability to defend themselves.
00:48:41.560 That's why the term carrier battle group exists.
00:48:44.080 It's essentially a floating city of 5,000 people, but with the squadron air crew, the air wing of the pilots, the fighters, the bombers, different complements for different ships.
00:48:54.300 But, of course, you're surrounded by usually a couple of submarines, cruisers, destroyers, to provide that air defense and the early warning system should any of those situations arise.
00:49:04.020 We saw this in terms of World War II as well with the Battle of Midway.
00:49:07.860 The reason that the Battle of Woodway was at the turning point was because we took out the carriers.
00:49:12.020 But at Coral Sea, we were shot out of the water.
00:49:15.460 Real quickly, we've got about a minute.
00:49:18.100 You speak fluent Mandarin.
00:49:21.660 You read Mandarin.
00:49:23.000 You were a naval intelligence officer on the mainland for the United States.
00:49:26.920 You know the Chinese military as well as anybody I've ever met.
00:49:29.740 Do you believe if we get into a shooting war in the Straits of Taiwan, South China Sea, East China Sea, that what's the probability an entire carrier battle group can end up on the bottom of the Pacific, sir?
00:49:43.180 I mean, there's no way we would get out of a battle with a direct military conflict with China without losing at least one or two battle groups or one or two carriers.
00:49:53.560 There's no way.
00:49:55.740 Wow.
00:49:56.700 OK, Jack, I'm going to leave it with that.
00:49:59.680 Please, how do we get to all your content?
00:50:01.740 People need to focus on Posobik more than ever. 0.61
00:50:04.020 Where do people go?
00:50:04.660 Well, Steve, we're actually pleased to announce that here on Real America's Voice, we are now going to be starting this Tuesday at 2 p.m.
00:50:13.240 We are going to be going live for the first time ever.
00:50:16.180 We're going to be continuing live every single day, 2 p.m.
00:50:18.860 So it's now going to go Bannon's War Room, Charlie Kirk, and then Poso for your block of nationalist, populist media every single day.
00:50:27.780 Really excited to be able to announce this at Real America's Voice.
00:50:30.400 And then, of course, we'll be up on Rumble.
00:50:32.080 We'll be up on Twitter, Truthgetter, everywhere else.
00:50:35.620 Five hours of intensity, 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time to 3 p.m. in the afternoon.
00:50:41.200 You got War Room.
00:50:42.420 You got the Charlie Kirk show and then Human Events Daily with Jack Posobik.
00:50:45.580 That's intense.
00:50:46.800 Brother Posobik, congratulations.
00:50:48.080 Long time coming.
00:50:48.860 Waiting for that.
00:50:49.900 Look forward to seeing your first show this Tuesday, sir.
00:50:55.040 I'll see you there, man.
00:50:57.660 A great patriot, Jack Posobik.
00:50:59.720 OK, we're going to leave you with images of Section 60.
00:51:02.520 And we're going to come back with Patrick K. O'Donnell.
00:51:06.700 Patrick was actually over there in the Battle of Fallujah.
00:51:08.660 We're going to talk about some of the biggest battles in America and the heroism of our honored dead.
00:51:14.680 That's what this weekend is about.
00:51:16.160 I know it's the first weekend of summer, but it is a weekend in which we acknowledge not our veterans and not those who are wounded, all the great heroes, but those that gave their lives in defense of this republic.
00:51:26.780 OK, a couple of minute break.
00:51:28.800 We're going to be back.
00:51:29.540 Patrick K. O'Donnell will join us next in the War Room.
00:51:31.960 We're going to be back.
00:52:01.960 We're going to be back.
00:52:31.960 We're going to be back.
00:53:01.960 We're going to be back.
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