Bannon's War Room - Episode 2767： WarRoom Memorial Day Special Cont.

00:00:00.000 To fallen soldiers, let us see, where no rockets fly, no bull that swing.

00:00:25.520 Okay, welcome back.

00:00:27.860 Memorial Day 2022.

00:00:30.000 We have our guest, Patrick O'Donnell, of course, my wingman, Captain Abandon.

00:00:36.240 We're discussing the writings of Patrick O'Donnell, and particularly in back of the high civic religion of Memorial Day,

00:00:47.940 because it's not Veterans Day, and it's not just a day for opening the summer beach house or the backyard barbecues, all that.

00:00:55.180 That's all part of Americana and obviously a huge part of this, but it's also to honor the war dead.

00:01:01.940 Patrick, I want to go back.

00:01:04.360 Before we start, I want to continue on with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the unknowns and the ceremony that took place to start this off.

00:01:12.020 But for the audience, their personal histories, there's so many people in this audience that don't realize that the uncles or even sometimes the aunts or that had part of the war effort.

00:01:23.120 If you really started to do your own research about your own family, you would be shocked.

00:01:28.500 You'll be shocked and surprised, pleasantly surprised to find the contributions they made, not just to the war effort, but oftentimes those that actually died in defense of their country.

00:01:40.040 Patrick.

00:01:40.340 Absolutely, Steve.

00:01:42.740 I'm not going to plug it per se, but I'm a fan of Ancestry.com in the sense that it's an incredible tool that allows you to burrow into your own genealogy.

00:01:56.320 And believe it or not, I'm a historian, but I've been reluctant to burrow into my own past for some personal reasons.

00:02:05.340 But I found out that I've got relatives that were at Lexington and Concord and, you know, came to America in 1619.

00:02:14.640 So it's an incredible window into the past.

00:02:19.520 And for people, explore it.

00:02:21.880 It's worth it.

00:02:24.340 Because we have so many fake heroes today, right?

00:02:28.380 Yes.

00:02:28.760 That are constantly in, you know, that are on TV and everything else.

00:02:34.340 But in reality, there's so many true heroes that are just in your own family, in many cases, or in other people's families that did some incredible, extraordinary things.

00:02:44.260 Yeah.

00:02:45.060 If you look back, even go back to the films of World War II, and you think of the roles Gregory Peck played, like in 12 O'Clock High, or Jimmy Stewart played, or even a famous and incredible film, if you haven't seen it.

00:03:00.440 And they were expendable, which I think is one of John Ford's greatest films.

00:03:05.120 It's John Wayne is really, you've never seen, not a swaggering, flying leathernecks, but really a, he and Robert Montgomery, about the PT boats of the early days of, right after the attack of Pearl Harbor in the Philippines.

00:03:20.320 Of those, all those units that knew they were going to just have to get crushed, right?

00:03:27.260 They would not be there for a victory.

00:03:28.700 They were going to be there at the beginning wave of being overwhelmed.

00:03:31.960 But you see that, and then later, the movie Rambo.

00:03:35.740 The power of your books, and I think the power of your books, is that these heroes are everyday Americans.

00:03:42.300 And they're not Rambo.

00:03:43.360 And they're certainly not these comic book characters today.

00:03:45.440 And this is one of the things I'm all, you know, I see these Viking movies, and all these movies, and people running around.

00:03:50.640 And that's just not, that's not what, that's not what it was about.

00:03:55.340 If you go and read Patrick Cardone's or all the other ones, you'll see that these are everyday Americans, ordinary people stepping up and doing extraordinary stuff, and clearly heroes with incredible amount of courage.

00:04:08.420 And particularly, you're thrown into the cauldron of World War I.

00:04:12.860 Remember, France did the first Tomb of the Unknown.

00:04:17.200 I think France lost, was it, 4 million?

00:04:19.700 I mean, the trenches, the French.

00:04:21.500 It's an incredible number.

00:04:23.660 Incredible.

00:04:24.060 It broke, it broke France. 0.97

00:04:25.440 That's why France really cratered in World War II.

00:04:28.320 It broke them.

00:04:29.080 Not the, Napoleonic Wars are bad enough, but World War I, it was a slaughter pen for the French. 0.94

00:04:33.460 It was a slaughter pen for the British. 1.00

00:04:35.480 This is why, you know, the first day of the Psalm.

00:04:37.460 This is why the British were always so hesitant to start a second front in the West and have D-Day.

00:04:43.560 Church and all those guys talked about it all the time.

00:04:45.320 They couldn't, they were, they were, this is why Dunker, they were one big battle slaughter like that.

00:04:49.680 It went to being checked out of the war.

00:04:51.660 The British population just wouldn't take it.

00:04:53.320 The trauma of these countries from the first, from the Victorian era to what the slaughter pens of the Western Front were, were traumatic in America.

00:05:03.700 This is why World War I, when people came home, was not finally remembered.

00:05:08.220 And remember, we talked about this in the show last week from Geneva with, with Noor Bin Laden and Jack Posobiec, where she was in front of the League of Nations.

00:05:17.640 It was the American people basically stood up to Roosevelt.

00:05:20.600 These guys said, we don't want any more involvement with this Europe.

00:05:23.260 We don't want to, we don't want to be a part of it.

00:05:25.720 We don't want any League of Nations.

00:05:27.820 This was traumatic for us.

00:05:29.380 And in that, this whole movement to have the Tomb of the Unknown and this whole fight about bringing our boys back, but the cost of it and what was going to happen and then the unknown itself.

00:05:40.440 What happened when it, when, when, when the remains got here and when the Capitol, pick a story up then and walk us through the ceremony, the very first ceremony and how, how the spot was chosen at Arlington Narrow Cemetery, which is the finest view of Washington is where the Tomb of the Unknown is today.

00:06:04.180 Absolutely. The, the remains of the unknown are escorted by the body bearers, the men that are in the unknowns, the book that I wrote, who are the most decorated heroes of World War I.

00:06:16.000 And it's first brought to the Capitol Rotunda where it lies in state.

00:06:21.540 And this ceremony is a who's who of America and the world that shows up.

00:06:29.660 All the world leaders come, um, all the people, uh, in, in the, in American society, um, are there and it's, it's, um, it's a healing moment to, to heal the wounds of even the American West.

00:06:48.420 And, um, um, the person that is one of the final participants in the ceremony is an American Indian chief from the Plains chief plenty clues.

00:07:01.000 Um, but you have the NAACP there, you have kind of all walks of American society.

00:07:08.160 Initially, initially they plan to invite every medal of honor recipient from the civil war forward.

00:07:15.480 Many came on their own, um, dime, but they were going to pay for them to show up, um, and be part of the, um, the ceremony.

00:07:25.660 And so this is an incredible event.

00:07:28.800 The, um, after the, it's in the rotunda for a day on the 11th, which corresponds with the end of World War I.

00:07:38.160 The, um, a caisson, which was used to, um, bring the remains of president Lincoln was used to, to bring the casket forward to, to, to, it goes across the bridge into Arlington from Washington DC.

00:07:58.660 And there's an incredible, um, but solemn parade, um, which has these, these decorated heroes that are actually the body bearers that are carrying the casket on the side of the caisson.

00:08:11.100 And you have behind it medals recipients, such as Alvin York and others, um, as well as general Pershing, who, instead of wearing all of his medals, only wears one simple medal, which is the victory medal from World War I.

00:08:27.300 Um, and, uh, he marches with the other, he doesn't, he couldn't ride a horse, but he doesn't, he marches.

00:08:33.980 You have the chief justice, Supreme Court, and the president also behind the caisson, and they, they go to Arlington.

00:08:42.000 From there, they, um, they have a very solemn ceremony.

00:08:45.520 There's some speakers.

00:08:47.560 President of the United States.

00:08:48.960 Hang on, hang on, just a little, hang on one second.

00:08:52.500 I just want people to understand this.

00:08:53.940 From the Capitol, uh, when they bring the remains down, and after laying, laying in state, and put it on the caisson, the caisson goes down past the Lincoln Memorial, and then over the, the bridge, what is called Memorial Bridge, probably the most beautiful bridge in Washoe, one of the most beautiful bridges in America.

00:09:15.320 Are you saying the chief justice, Pershing, and the president actually followed the caisson on foot?

00:09:22.780 Many of these men did, yes.

00:09:24.940 They followed the caisson through the procession, and, and then came to Washington, or to, to Arlington itself.

00:09:33.260 That is not a short walk.

00:09:35.500 That's, that's a, uh, particularly in semi-formal attire, that is, that is something.

00:09:40.740 So they actually marched in back or walked in back of the, in honor of the, uh, the, uh, the unknown soldier to, in, in, in back of the caisson.

00:09:50.220 That's one of the, I mean, that's the, sort of the humbleness of, of the event as well, instead of washing.

00:09:55.380 Some of these men could have rode, but they, they, they walk.

00:09:59.520 And, uh, they make their way there.

00:10:01.220 And President Harding delivers a, um, the first, it's, it's effectively a radio address to the nation.

00:10:10.660 And they use a telephone system to provide a radio address.

00:10:15.420 It's the first, first of its kind, a national broadcast.

00:10:18.840 And President Harding's words, um, echo across the country of, of, of what he, what he relays there and, and the significance of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

00:10:32.220 And as, as, as the ceremony goes on, they're, um, they place the highest decorations on the casket.

00:10:40.320 The Medal of Honor is placed there, Distinguished Service Cross and others.

00:10:45.080 And then foreign countries around the world place their highest medals on the casket itself.

00:10:52.040 And as the ceremony moves forward, one of the final individuals is Chief Plenty Clues that places his, um, his war hammer on top of the casket.

00:11:05.240 And as well as bonnet and says some special words.

00:11:09.220 And Plenty Clues is, is, it's a very interesting, um, demonstration, symbolic to, to have him there.

00:11:20.500 And it's important because we had been fighting with Native Americans for decades, centuries. 0.99

00:11:27.320 And this is a way of healing and incorporating, um, Native Americans into, which they fought very bravely.

00:11:36.200 One of our, one of the body bearers in, in the, um, in the story is a full, full Native American that, um, was a combat engineer that captured scores of Germans at the Battle of San Mahal.

00:11:49.700 And it's, uh, this is a, this is a sense of healing and there's, there's many other, um, elements to the Tomb of the Unknown, which provide a level of healing across the country and bring people together.

00:12:04.340 When did they come up with the concept, um, that, with the old guard, the old guard, and I want you to spend a few minutes on that, the old guard, but the 24 hour day, no matter if it's a hurricane or if it's a blizzard, 24 hours a day of, of a, of a armed, um, guard marching back and forth quietly in a, in a highly stylized, uh, ceremony that goes on constantly.

00:12:30.500 What happens is the, um, the, um, the tomb is not guarded initially, Steve.

00:12:37.740 And for many years, the, the general public can come as they want to the tomb, but it was, it was desecrated.

00:12:47.100 People would have picnics on the tomb.

00:12:49.720 They vandalize the tomb.

00:12:51.840 And then, um, several years after its inception, the old guard comes in, um, as a 24 seven. 0.99

00:13:00.500 You know, every day of the year guard of the tomb.

00:13:03.880 And it's, for those that haven't been to it, it's probably one of the most extraordinary ceremonies in America is the, uh, is the walk and the guarding of the tomb where these, uh, sentinels are there, um, every day.

00:13:20.500 One of the great honors that I had was, I was made an honorary member and given a number for the tomb guard because for, for, for, for the book of the unknowns, which I was, uh, deeply honored by.

00:13:35.320 And they also incorporated the, some of the history that I brought out in the book, which was unknown at the time I uncovered.

00:13:43.500 So it was a deep honor.

00:13:48.600 I think you're right.

00:13:49.640 If you ever get to Washington, DC, it is one of the most, um, um, solemn, uh, solemn, um, occasions and, and to go to the, you can go every day of the week, I think, and, and see that the, uh, the guard and the changing of the guard and all that at the tomb of the unknown.

00:14:07.600 Okay.

00:14:08.340 Short commercial break.

00:14:09.640 And we're going to have Patrick K O'Donnell, Captain Maureen Bannon.

00:14:14.140 They're going to join us on the other side here on a Memorial day special.

00:14:18.120 I want to thank everybody, particularly real America's voice.

00:14:22.120 This, uh, broadcast is going to replay today in our normally work five to six.

00:14:28.760 It's going to go from four to six.

00:14:29.980 We're going to replay both hours of this.

00:14:31.760 So you can get it in the afternoon.

00:14:33.820 Also if you're, if you've, um, missed the first part of this.

00:14:37.160 Okay.

00:14:38.380 Uh, short break.

00:14:39.460 Patrick K O'Donnell, combat historian, Captain Maureen Bannon, uh, from West Point, the 101st Airborne.

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00:17:13.740 Thank you for joining us for our Memorial Day special.

00:17:40.880 Something we do annually.

00:17:43.160 I think, I don't know, 8th or 9th year doing this with Patrick K. O'Donnell.

00:17:50.080 Captain Bannon, the Old Guard.

00:17:52.240 One of the most revered units.

00:17:57.180 Patrick, remind me, wasn't the Old Guard, it's attached back, it's actually tied back, I guess, theoretically back to Washington's guard back at Valley Forge.

00:18:07.920 Is that where the concept comes from?

00:18:10.160 Well, the unit itself goes back to the Revolutionary War.

00:18:15.960 It's not a direct tie to Washington's guard, per se.

00:18:21.540 In the Indispensables, I bring out the story of the lifeguard or the commander-in-chief's guard.

00:18:29.240 But they do go back to the Revolutionary War, and it's an extraordinary unit that has an incredible tradition.

00:18:38.140 For folks at home that are not associated with the Army, a lot of people don't remember or don't know, the Army's actually older than the country.

00:18:49.820 The Continental Army is 1775, correct?

00:18:51.920 Because the Army's actually, the Continental Army, which became the U.S. Army, is actually 1775.

00:19:00.460 It's a year older.

00:19:01.600 As is the Navy, too, by the way.

00:19:04.280 But you're absolutely older.

00:19:04.580 As is the Navy.

00:19:06.800 Both were born in 1775.

00:19:08.560 The Army, the Army, the Army, were pretty tough hombres.

00:19:14.100 But yes, yes.

00:19:14.960 And my beloved Navy, it was a collection.

00:19:17.720 And we might also add, if we get into it, is Washington's Navy was also, in some ways, the Army's Navy, which predates and is the precursor to the U.S. Navy.

00:19:28.660 Yes, Navy is.

00:19:29.400 And the Army still has it.

00:19:31.020 They might not like that, but it's the truth.

00:19:33.500 No, no.

00:19:34.160 And the Navy, our founding Navy, was a collection of freebooters and quasi-pirates, as the Royal Navy was by Francis Drake and all the buccaneers and freebooters that formed that.

00:19:47.800 Captain Bannon, the Old Guard, anybody in your class, have anybody that's been in the unit commanders or been with the Old Guard?

00:19:57.000 I do.

00:19:57.760 None of my classmates have been in the Old Guard commanding.

00:20:01.820 However, I do have a friend that was a commander in the Old Guard.

00:20:05.560 Like the Ranger Regiment, you have to be selected to the Old Guard.

00:20:08.980 It's not just a unit you can get orders to.

00:20:11.220 It's a very prestigious unit to be a part of, so you have to be selected for it.

00:20:16.780 And the regiment's mission is to conduct memorial affairs to honor fallen comrades, ceremonies, and act on behalf of the United States Army.

00:20:24.600 And they also do dignified transfers at Dover Airfield.

00:20:28.600 Yes.

00:20:31.600 I think Tom Cotton might have been part of the Old Guard.

00:20:35.320 Patrick, do you know that?

00:20:36.400 I think Tom Cotton actually was selected.

00:20:37.260 That's correct, yeah.

00:20:38.280 He wrote a fine book about the tomb as well.

00:20:42.880 Yeah.

00:20:43.820 Yeah.

00:20:44.460 No, very important.

00:20:46.020 Tell me about, I want to go back, General Pershing, I don't even know if you know this, but on your mom's side, or your grandmother's side of the family, her father, the hers side.

00:20:59.680 My grandfather, her father, his brother actually served with Black Jack Pershing on the Mexican border in the border dispute that the expeditionary force that went in after Pancho Villa, after Pancho Villa came and shot up.

00:21:17.640 I think it was Columbus, New Mexico.

00:21:18.940 And they sent an expeditionary force, is when Pershing really became known to the American people, they sent an expeditionary force actually into Mexico to sort that out.

00:21:27.440 But your great, I guess your great, great uncle, on this case, your great uncle, actually, was with Pershing, who was such a renowned figure.

00:21:36.900 I want to, to Pershing, I want to get back to these body bearers. 1.00

00:21:40.440 Because, how did Pershing, how were they selected?

00:21:43.620 Because this was like, Pershing had a certain way he looked at the world about fighting men, right?

00:21:51.900 He had a certain way he ran that army.

00:21:55.960 Correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was MacArthur in, as a colonel and maybe a brigadier general, I didn't, I think MacArthur was awarded three, four, five silver stars from the time they got to World One all the way.

00:22:09.040 He took that, he took them all the way down to Metz, where the war basically ended before they breached, they crossed the river there.

00:22:17.560 But he had a certain way of running, this is why he was so renowned.

00:22:22.560 He had a certain way of leading that army.

00:22:27.920 Had a certain way that he wanted people to conduct themselves in combat.

00:22:31.100 He was a taskmaster.

00:22:32.200 In fact, there's this controversy now about getting General Grant, I think his fifth star.

00:22:36.680 And Pershing, I think, had the fifth star, as General Washington did.

00:22:41.800 But tell me about the people that he selected, the body bearers. 0.99

00:22:46.740 The heart of The Unknowns, the book that I wrote, is the body bearers. 0.94

00:22:53.660 And it's the story of World War I through their eyes, Steve.

00:22:57.060 It's a, this book is not just a story about the ceremony of the Tomb of the Unknowns, sorry, a soldier.

00:23:04.920 It's about these body bearers.

00:23:06.480 And it's a combat history of World War I through their eyes that the General Pershing himself selected each one of these men.

00:23:15.300 They're bona fide heroes.

00:23:16.860 They are, in some cases, the most decorated of their service branch, Medal of Honor recipients or Distinguished Service Cross recipients.

00:23:26.280 And it's variegated.

00:23:28.480 It's not just the Army.

00:23:30.480 It's the Navy.

00:23:31.400 And the first story and the opening story in this book begins on the high seas in the Bay of Biscay with James Delaney, who is on a merchant ship.

00:23:43.600 And he is what is known as an armed guard.

00:23:46.100 And their role is to protect the ship from U-boats.

00:23:50.020 The U-boat brings America into the war. 0.75

00:23:53.100 Unrestricted warfare is raging.

00:23:55.600 And they are sinking Allied ships left and right.

00:23:58.320 And it's General, it's President Wilson, in March 1917, before we enter the war, that we decide to arm commercial ships with Navy crews and Navy guns to defend themselves.

00:24:13.720 And it's Delaney that's on one of these boats.

00:24:16.580 And if you've ever seen the movie Doss Boat, this is a mirror of that, but it's an American version.

00:24:22.120 And how this occurs is an incredible story that I unearthed in the unknowns.

00:24:29.440 Delaney is on the ship, and everything is moving along nicely.

00:24:33.720 They're bringing some cargo to Spain.

00:24:38.000 And suddenly, a U-boat appears off in the distance.

00:24:43.140 The boat quickly submerges.

00:24:45.700 It dives.

00:24:46.400 It goes into battle stations, and it fires a torpedo.

00:24:49.340 And the ship is able to, it misses the ship.

00:24:54.460 And for U-boats, torpedoes are extremely a valuable commodity.

00:24:59.000 They only have about 8 to 12 of them.

00:25:01.560 So they're not going to blow them unless they know they got the, unless it's economical.

00:25:09.080 And they size up this merchant ship, and they don't think it's armed.

00:25:12.800 So they surface the U-boat, and they keep a distance, a wise distance.

00:25:20.400 They're out of their shell range, but the U-boat has some fairly large guns on it.

00:25:25.360 And they start to hammer this ship, or at least fire at it.

00:25:29.660 And most of these rounds miss.

00:25:31.940 And this is where James Delaney goes into action with his crew.

00:25:35.320 And they man their own guns, three-inch guns, and they start to fire at the U-boat.

00:25:41.940 And it's a cat-and-mouse running battle between the U-boat and this steamer, which is trying to flee the U-boat.

00:25:49.580 But believe it or not, when the U-boat's on the surface, it's actually relatively fast.

00:25:55.080 And this goes on for hours.

00:25:56.520 And they literally fire over 200 rounds.

00:26:00.580 And the U-boat finally starts to make their rounds hit.

00:26:05.800 And they hit near the engine room.

00:26:08.480 And Delaney's men are bleeding from their ears because of the concussions from the guns.

00:26:15.520 And it's at that point that the captain of the boat says that we need to surrender.

00:26:20.900 And Delaney insists that they keep firing, but they're running out of ammo.

00:26:24.980 And they surrender the boat.

00:26:28.360 And a boarding party from the U-boat comes aboard.

00:26:31.360 And they take the men prisoner.

00:26:35.780 And they also lay charges in the boat itself.

00:26:41.340 And before they do that, the U-boat's crew is starving.

00:26:46.580 They literally seize all the fresh food that they can.

00:26:50.320 And they even take soap because their life on board a U-boat, if you've ever saw, a DAS boat is a grimy experience.

00:27:00.080 There's grease.

00:27:01.500 There's sweat from the sea.

00:27:03.900 Everything is pouring in on these U-boats.

00:27:06.560 It's a very dark and tough existence.

00:27:09.980 And they take these Americans prisoner, about eight of them, including Delaney and the captain.

00:27:16.900 And they experience what it's like.

00:27:18.840 Like is like what life is like in a U-boat.

00:27:22.760 It's the only Americans that actually get to experience that as the captors.

00:27:28.000 They're prisoners of these Germans. 0.98

00:27:31.300 And the prisoner is, the captain is amazing.

00:27:35.760 He speaks perfect English.

00:27:38.260 And he talks to Delaney.

00:27:39.840 And he interrogates him.

00:27:42.400 Delaney lies through his teeth about things.

00:27:44.860 So he doesn't reveal any kind of operational details.

00:27:47.540 But they gain a level of respect between the two crews because of the shared experience that they endure.

00:27:55.400 They go through depth charge attacks.

00:27:59.040 They encounter what's known as a Q ship, a British ship that is disguised as a merchant ship.

00:28:05.380 But as soon as the U-boat surfaces, hidden deck guns finally reveal themselves.

00:28:11.240 And they start to pepper the U-boat, which they quickly dive through.

00:28:15.500 They go through a minefield.

00:28:17.740 It's all the stuff of the movie.

00:28:19.380 It's an extraordinary story.

00:28:22.040 And Delaney somehow has to survive all this, which he does, and a prisoner of war camp for over a year.

00:28:30.200 Wow.

00:28:30.860 One of the body bearers of the first unknown soldier.

00:28:36.240 Let's take a short break.

00:28:37.880 We're going to return.

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00:28:41.940 Yours truly, Stephen K.

00:28:42.920 We've been a short break for a Memorial Day special.

00:28:44.880 We'll be back in a moment.

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00:30:35.020 That song is obviously Mansions of the Lord.

00:30:37.860 It was from the Mel Gibson.

00:30:39.160 I think it was actually written for the Mel Gibson movie.

00:30:42.780 It played.

00:30:43.400 I think it really became, obviously the movie was very big,

00:30:45.560 but it came, I think, known more broadly.

00:30:49.420 It was the song that was sung at the end of President Reagan's ceremony

00:30:56.760 at Washington National Cathedral when they removed the remains

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00:31:02.020 It was incredibly moving.

00:31:04.400 One of the most beautiful renditions that you get is by the West Point Choir.

00:31:07.640 It's just incredible, incredible.

00:31:09.740 And they sing it in the chapel, the famous chapel at West Point,

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00:32:23.440 I want to go to Patrick.

00:32:25.600 Patrick, a little press for time,

00:32:26.960 but I want to finish a couple of the vignettes on the body bearers.

00:32:30.520 And I want to tell everybody, it turns out the unknowns,

00:32:34.380 because we've talked about this book and the episodes for many, many years,

00:32:37.560 and, of course, your other combat histories.

00:32:39.740 It's actually out in paperback for the first time, I believe, right?

00:32:43.280 Is that the first time it's been in paperback?

00:32:44.240 It's actually the Indispensables that just came out.

00:32:47.360 Oh, the Indispensables I know and love. 0.51

00:32:51.040 Oh, that just came out.

00:32:51.900 The Indispensables.

00:32:52.600 So how do they go to Amazon and get the paperback edition of that?

00:32:57.280 You can go to Amazon or it's at the front.

00:32:59.280 It's at the new paperback table at Barnes & Noble.

00:33:02.380 You can get it anywhere.

00:33:05.020 And that book, we keep a stack of them here in the war room.

00:33:09.540 So when people come, we give it to them.

00:33:10.880 They always come back to me, and they absolutely love that.

00:33:13.860 Anything else about the body bearers?

00:33:15.200 I want to talk about the Battle of Brooklyn for the Indispensables,

00:33:17.820 because it's so powerful, and it shows you the sacrifice of ordinary Americans

00:33:23.540 in an extraordinary situation.

00:33:26.840 Absolutely.

00:33:28.900 I think I'll close with the unknowns on one of my,

00:33:33.800 the body bearer that brought me to this book.

00:33:37.300 And I was, when I wrote the unknowns, the idea found me,

00:33:43.260 all the ideas in the books found me.

00:33:45.220 And that idea found me in the sense that I was a guide for the 5th Marines initially.

00:33:53.140 We went over to France.

00:33:54.360 I was with the 3-1 Lima Company in Fallujah.

00:33:58.700 And that battalion commander then was the regimental commander, 1-5.

00:34:04.320 And he asked me to go to France with the 5th Marines

00:34:08.640 and give a tour of the beaches of Normandy.

00:34:13.040 But when you're in France with the 5th Marines,

00:34:17.660 it's, you've got to go to Belle of Wood.

00:34:19.600 That's the most sacred place of the Marine Corps in many ways.

00:34:23.840 So I accompanied them there, and we toured the battlefield.

00:34:28.980 And I was there with, you know, many of the men that I was in Fallujah with.

00:34:33.120 So that's a special thing to be able to go back in time to this incredibly significant battle

00:34:41.020 with individuals that you had been in combat with.

00:34:44.640 And we went through the shell-torn fields of Belle of Wood

00:34:48.740 to, you know, areas where they're still encased in the trees.

00:34:53.700 Literally, there are shells that are filled with mustard gas.

00:34:57.920 And there's shells that are the size of a car or a house that fell in that area.

00:35:04.080 And we went to an area called Hill 142.

00:35:07.320 Or I'm sorry, Hill Fort 142, which is an epic story,

00:35:13.840 which is, it unfolds on June 6, 1918.

00:35:17.900 And this is when the Marines launched their attack on Belle of Wood

00:35:23.980 across fields of wheat into German machine guns.

00:35:28.640 And the main character in the book and the story,

00:35:33.680 the first Medal of Honor recipient for the Marine Corps is Ernest A. Janssen.

00:35:38.040 And Janssen is urging his men with the 49th Company to move forward.

00:35:43.900 And they seized the hill against all odds.

00:35:49.880 And the small company, along with some other companies and some engineers,

00:35:54.380 take the hill across this field of wheat.

00:35:57.720 And, you know, doctrine in the German army is to immediately counterattack.

00:36:01.700 And they knew that that counterattack was coming and it was going to be swift and deadly.

00:36:06.680 And they started to dig in some shallow foxholes.

00:36:09.860 And Janssen, you know, is urging his men to dig in, along with the officers in the unit.

00:36:17.600 And it's Janssen that literally saves Hill 142.

00:36:22.780 The Germans have six machine guns, light machine guns, that they're setting up.

00:36:27.040 And he sees it out of the corner of his eye and launches a one-man bayonet charge on those machine guns. 0.76

00:36:33.500 And bayonets many of the men and kills them.

00:36:37.600 And it saves the hill from being, you know, swept by machine gun fire.

00:36:43.920 And in the process, though, he's very heavily wounded, nearly almost mortally killed, wounded.

00:36:50.460 But his wounds are severe.

00:36:53.360 But he's able to recover.

00:36:54.420 And he is selected by Pershing as the first body bearer.

00:37:00.440 But Janssen is a very interesting story.

00:37:03.020 He receives two medals of honor.

00:37:05.260 The Army Medal of Honor and the Navy Medal of Honor.

00:37:08.260 At this time during World War I, two medals of honor were received if you served in the Marine Corps within an Army unit.

00:37:17.160 But Janssen's not only got two medals of honor, but he has two names.

00:37:20.900 And this is where it's quite interesting.

00:37:22.440 Before he joined the Marine Corps, he was with the United States Army.

00:37:28.480 And he went AWOL, suspected because of the girl or some sort of a situation.

00:37:36.400 And he changes his name and then joins the Marine Corps several years later.

00:37:42.060 And he is a model Marine.

00:37:44.900 And Ernest A. Janssen is initially Charles Hoffman during that battle.

00:37:50.660 And it's all sorted out after he receives the Medal of Honor.

00:37:56.740 And he's also given this incredible opportunity to be the body bearer and tell a part of his story.

00:38:05.460 But the book is about his story.

00:38:07.700 But it's a band of brothers on that 49th company, which goes through the entire war and the toughest battles.

00:38:14.040 And there are places like Mont Blanc and others.

00:38:17.200 And it's an incredible story.

00:38:19.320 You get to learn the history of World War I.

00:38:21.320 Give me a couple of minutes on the Battle of Brooklyn.

00:38:23.380 Remember, people talk about the Declaration, obviously the birth of the foundation of the country.

00:38:27.360 But what people also, a lot of people don't realize is that 90 days after the signing of the Declaration, the American army, as tiny as it is, is in a full scale with the biggest expeditionary force ever brought by the British Empire.

00:38:45.300 And, I mean, they're bringing the hammer. 0.56

00:38:46.720 They want to kill this thing in the cradle. 0.95

00:38:49.320 In the Battle of Brooklyn, people don't realize in Brooklyn, the heart of Brooklyn was the first, I think, big battle after Boston. 0.94

00:39:00.120 Right?

00:39:00.480 This is an absolutely massive battle.

00:39:03.120 And it's an inflection point, Steve, because it's here that all could have been lost.

00:39:08.360 And the battle unfolds on August 27th.

00:39:14.240 Interestingly enough, it begins in a watermelon patch where the scouts for both armies, the scouts of the British army are probing our lines, which in today, it's a place called Greenwood Cemetery.

00:39:30.340 And for those that live in the New York area or Brooklyn area, there is tons of American history in plain sight.

00:39:40.400 Some of it is marked.

00:39:41.700 Some of it is not.

00:39:43.400 Greenwood Cemetery, a place called the Red Lion Inn, is where this watermelon patch was.

00:39:49.000 The scouts of the British army probe it.

00:39:51.400 Shots are fired.

00:39:52.300 And this is the opening of the battle, which involves a book called Washington's Immortals.

00:40:00.600 It involves the Marylanders and the Delaware line.

00:40:04.240 And they are rushed from their headquarters, which is in a stone house several miles back from Greenwood Cemetery.

00:40:12.640 They march in the dead of night around 4 or 5 a.m. to a position around Greenwood Cemetery.

00:40:21.060 And it's here that the British conduct what's known as a demonstration.

00:40:26.560 They want to tie down these Marylanders and other continental units.

00:40:32.640 But what's happening is a massive flanking movement around Greenwood Cemetery is occurring where Cornwallis and other troops in the British army are about to encircle the troops that are in Greenwood Cemetery.

00:40:48.600 And they're on a salient, basically, along with General Sullivan and others.

00:40:55.100 And it's successful.

00:40:57.260 And they're cut off.

00:40:58.760 And they realize to their absolute horror that they are being surrounded by the British.

00:41:04.040 And these Marylanders and Delaware troops and others have to literally fight their way back to the location of this stone house.

00:41:12.140 And it's there that they realize, to their horror, that thousands of Americans are about to be cut off and destroyed.

00:41:22.000 And it's in many ways, the entire American army is about to be destroyed.

00:41:28.200 And here, the Marylanders launch a suicidal, in some ways, you know, they're very small in number, about 300, 400 troops total against a fixed position with Cornwallis near and around the stone house.

00:41:46.460 And they march and fight with bayonets to attack that house.

00:41:51.980 But the reason why they're doing it is to buy time for the rest of the army to escape and also to tie down the wings of the army and to create a gap in the line, which they successfully do.

00:42:05.620 And the main character in my book, Mordecai, I guess, for Washington's Immortals, launches attack after attack.

00:42:13.500 And we talk about Memorial Day.

00:42:16.200 Most of the men of the 400, of the Maryland 400, or Washington's Immortals, have never been accounted for.

00:42:23.960 They are buried, very likely, many of them are buried near and around the house where they fell.

00:42:30.740 They fell, or they were prisoners of war by the British, and they died on prison ships, and their bodies were cast overboard like bags of garbage.

00:42:41.500 And look, this is the thing.

00:42:43.520 In downtown Brooklyn, you saw there's a plaque on one of the things.

00:42:47.500 They're buried.

00:42:48.400 These heroes, the American Thermopylae, as you call it, just average Americans, right, the very beginning of our country, within 90 days of the sign of the Declaration,

00:42:57.980 and you hear everything about the Declaration, you don't, this is.

00:43:00.800 Their blood signs the Declaration of Independence, Steve.

00:43:05.220 Yes, yes.

00:43:06.740 And they're buried in an unmarked grave.

00:43:08.280 They're buried in two places.

00:43:10.320 An unmarked grave somewhere in Brooklyn, near where the stone house is.

00:43:14.600 We kind of know approximately where it is.

00:43:16.680 Or, folks forget, were there 18,000 prisoners on the, on the, on the, on the.

00:43:21.880 The numbers are very, are very nebulous on this, but some say over 10,000 American prisoners, maybe upwards to 18, were captured by the British.

00:43:34.480 Yeah.

00:43:35.600 And they, they survived hell ships, floating concentration camps, floating concentration camps, and the bodies thrown overboard.

00:43:43.800 Okay, it's Memorial Day, we're going to take a short break, and we're going to be back to wrap things up here in the war room.

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00:46:49.540 I want to just make a tiny...

00:46:50.660 Our other relative was Chief Petty Officer Thomas Bernard Jack, who was the son of my great-grandfather.

00:46:57.900 And, like I said, he fought in the Civil War with 1st Maine Cavalry, and his brother was at Dahlgren's Raid.

00:47:05.140 In fact, died at Dahlgren's Raid up on the...

00:47:07.480 When they tried to cross the James River, there was a gunfight up there.

00:47:10.620 I think the first 12 of them got killed there, and Dahlgren got killed later in Mechanicsville,

00:47:15.400 where they found the orders, supposedly secret orders, to seize the White House and the Confederacy

00:47:21.400 and either capture the Cabinet, Jefferson Davis, or assassinating,

00:47:25.880 which started off this whole chain of events that led to the assassination of President Lincoln later.

00:47:30.960 He was a Chief Petty Officer, a radio man chief in the Navy in World War I and in World War II.

00:47:35.980 In fact, there's a famous story.

00:47:39.320 He was on one of the ships that went up to, I think, the Augusta, that Patrick K. O'Donnell,

00:47:45.260 where FDR and I think Churchill met for the first time, a big family legend of that.

00:47:55.720 Let's go.

00:47:56.360 Captain Bannon, talk to us about Memorial Day.

00:47:58.220 Talk to us about what people should be doing.

00:48:00.240 I highly encourage the audience, if you are near one of those national cemeteries in the United States,

00:48:09.880 Puerto Rico, or abroad, or any of the soldiers' lots, monuments, memorials, or markers,

00:48:15.360 I highly encourage you to get out there today and pay your respects.

00:48:19.400 Even if you can't get out there today, I encourage you to go visit them and pay your respects.

00:48:23.920 I also want the audience to remember that today is not the day to thank a veteran for their service.

00:48:32.020 Today is about those that paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms.

00:48:36.520 So I want the audience to keep that in mind while they're going throughout the day today.

00:48:41.500 Yes, and this will tee us up for the, not just for Veterans Day, but for wreaths across America,

00:48:47.940 where there's this whole movement to put wreaths on all the gravestones,

00:48:52.320 the grave markers of the fallen and other veterans that have died in these military cemeteries.

00:48:59.760 We're going to replay this entire broadcast from 4 to 6 today.

00:49:05.400 Then at 6, we've got a special, we're kind of pivoting at the end of Memorial Day.

00:49:09.060 I've got Joe Allen and I are going to do an entire special on transhumanism to kind of kick off the week.

00:49:14.780 So please make sure you see the 6 o'clock show.

00:49:17.520 It's going to be very, very special.

00:49:19.640 Patrick K. O'Donnell, your research is amazing.

00:49:23.760 I know you're working on another big book.

00:49:25.240 When can people, so Indispensables, which is also an incredible book, is now out in paperback.

00:49:32.600 I want to go to the site.

00:49:33.880 I want to make sure everybody can get to all of your books.

00:49:36.060 When is your next book due?

00:49:39.060 Probably about a year and a half, Steve.

00:49:41.420 I'm nearly finished with the book.

00:49:47.380 The editors like to spend a lot of time on it, even though they don't.

00:49:51.420 I mean, I turn in a book and it's not heavily edited, but they like to take their time with it.

00:49:57.180 And I'm extremely excited about that Civil War book.

00:50:03.060 It makes me wake up every morning and get excited because it's a story I've been working on for the last five years.

00:50:09.960 I can't get in all the details.

00:50:11.720 Wow.

00:50:12.220 But it has an incredible special operations aspect to it.

00:50:15.900 And it's an untold story that I know that people will find very compelling.

00:50:22.180 You've kind of gravitated over, you've kind of gravitated over time to these elite units.

00:50:29.360 That's been my, that's been my thing.

00:50:32.900 Yeah.

00:50:33.120 Since the beginning, the last 30 years, many consider me to be, you know, the expert on American elite units beginning from the revolution, you know, forward, especially World War II.

00:50:46.460 And it's, it's a passionate thing.

00:50:49.700 And I, I think one of the themes in my book is how a single individual or a small group of individuals can shape or bend history.

00:51:01.940 And that's certainly the case with, with many of the books, because they are touching upon, you know, great inflection points in history where a single person can change that, can change history, can change things.

00:51:19.060 And that's something that I think certainly holds true today.

00:51:23.640 We, we have destiny in our hands.

00:51:27.040 We're able to change.

00:51:27.640 Yeah, it is.

00:51:29.240 And your book is, although these elite units, and obviously people have to step their game up.

00:51:35.620 They're, they're ordinary Americans in these elite units.

00:51:37.760 That's the power of it.

00:51:38.600 All the way from the revolution, all the way through doing extraordinary things called upon by fate or destiny or their country.

00:51:44.780 It's just extraordinary.

00:51:45.840 Patrick, real quickly, how do people get to your website?

00:51:50.240 I'm on, I'm at Getter, at Combat Historian, as well as Twitter.

00:51:54.560 Their website is, is my name, PatrickKO'Donnell.com.

00:52:00.720 The books are at Barnes & Noble, Amazon.

00:52:05.920 You can go anywhere, any bookstore and pick them up.

00:52:09.680 I want to thank you, sir, once again for spending Memorial Day with us.

00:52:14.140 Thank you so much.

00:52:15.180 Honored, as always.

00:52:16.920 It's an honor, Steve.

00:52:17.800 Thank you.

00:52:18.160 Captain Bannon, your, your Getter handle, how do people on Twitter, how do people get to you?

00:52:27.080 Everyone can find me on Getter at Maureen underscore Bannon, Twitter Maureen underscore Bannon, and on Instagram at RealMaureenBannon.

00:52:33.300 Okay, we're going to replay this entire broadcast on Real America's Voice, our producing and distribution partner.

00:52:42.460 We'll start at 4 p.m. this afternoon.

00:52:45.340 So if you haven't, didn't get a chance to watch the whole thing or have somebody else, thank you.

00:52:50.120 We're going to leave you with Mansions of the Lord.

00:52:52.960 Have a productive and fruitful Memorial Day.

00:52:56.440 We're going to leave you with Mansions of the Lord.

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Bannon's War Room - May 29, 2023

Episode 2767： WarRoom Memorial Day Special Cont.

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