Bannon's War Room - Episode 2771： The tell on the debt ceiling is there is no cap

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:10.820 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:17.400 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:21.160 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.760 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.580 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:40.500 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann

00:00:47.680 senator this is nothing new it seems to me if you look at at republic i mean when i was there

00:00:58.480 uh we actually balanced the budget four times democrats and republicans alike balanced the

00:01:03.120 budget four times and i actually left congress in 2001 saying hey we figured this out we don't have

00:01:09.680 to spend trillions of dollars in debt uh and then george w bush the republicans got in power

00:01:15.400 and the debt uh doubled barack obama got the power debt doubled donald trump though raised the

00:01:24.060 national debt to levels that nobody ever had before eight trillion dollars added on in just four

00:01:31.920 years breathtaking reckless and now republicans are lecturing america and democrats on fiscal

00:01:40.200 responsibility how maddening is that to you yeah and i think about reverend sharp and talking about

00:01:47.860 the big picture here because the big picture now is that it's a democratic priority to pay america's

00:01:56.260 bills right that's now become a partisan issue as to whether we default or not default on american debt

00:02:02.880 today you have an adult party and a children's party right you have a party that's interested in

00:02:09.080 governing that's interested in preserving the american economy paying our bills and you have a republican

00:02:13.800 party that is basically just interested in using government to enrich their friends why did they

00:02:20.320 rack up eight trillion dollars of debt why did the debt expand by 40 percent during donald trump's

00:02:26.260 presidency because they used all their political capital during those four years essentially to do

00:02:31.640 one thing to give away massive tax breaks to billionaires millionaires and corporations and

00:02:38.140 the reason that they are so focused on these spending cuts to programs that help poor people in the middle

00:02:43.520 class is because they have to pay to extend and preserve those tax breaks for billionaires and

00:02:50.540 millionaires and so there is a method to this madness but it's all about the republican priority to help

00:02:56.720 their rich friends and i really do worry about the long term here i was not a fan of negotiating i thought

00:03:03.340 we should have told republicans that it was their job to pay the bills and that we weren't going to

00:03:08.000 negotiate over that question the issue now is that do we in perpetuity i just want to show you

00:03:13.880 okay i just want to show you uh in in denver hold that i've got other clips uh that are going to make

00:03:21.180 your blood boil as it should thursday 31 may year of our lord 2023 game day uh so this is going to go

00:03:29.720 late tonight i'm going to try to get uh grace and um uh mo on here to talk about we're going to be

00:03:36.500 live streaming these votes tonight also a lot of stuff's going to be going on during the day uh we

00:03:42.320 are scheduled to have a couple of congressmen actually come by and make the case obviously why

00:03:48.060 this is absolutely horrific um but uh it's day of action and uh i want to thank and we'll try to

00:03:55.380 read some of these the emails people are the direct messages people are sending mo and um and grace

00:04:01.780 about your experience of calling is uh is pretty uh it is pretty amazing so i want to get to some of

00:04:08.980 those let me uh make sure we can just frame this with exactly what's going on this is about money and

00:04:17.020 power obviously we've told you from the beginning that this is the way this imperial capital works

00:04:21.720 the entire focus of this exercise by the republican leadership and obviously biden and the democrats

00:04:32.700 who are just they're sitting here gloating too you have to understand this e.j and tony uh is the

00:04:38.160 brilliant analyst uh over at uh with steve moore's group and also at heritage and he's a numbers guy but

00:04:44.420 he's got a piece up that's uh i think it's on the daily caller um it's kind of a response daily

00:04:50.800 callers trying to do both sides so they have cortez's uh piece up from the other day cheerleading

00:04:56.000 um the mccarthy and then e.j came in but he's got a quote in there from a progressive group

00:05:01.020 that they're just sitting there they're they're laughing at you right now they're gloating behind

00:05:04.640 the scenes they're trying to not make it too much so that no more republicans peel off and that's

00:05:09.520 the exercise today is as many patriots stand up here and throw down hard and say no and not just

00:05:16.380 that work for other people because i am of the belief particularly in places like uh the south

00:05:24.000 i'm a southerner from virginia but in the south we have these very red maga districts and in the

00:05:31.780 places like the upper plains and and maybe in places like montana wyoming and the places like that

00:05:38.080 um and in utah and in arizona or places that have these deep red uh districts it is unacceptable

00:05:45.940 unacceptable to have a representative vote for this today because it's a total sham i want to go to

00:05:51.660 get her and so the the whole purpose of the exercise is to take the power out of your hands

00:05:56.000 three things have happened this being the third kind of the third act in this drama that's happened

00:06:02.120 since uh you you fought and scrapped for the 10 seat uh you know the 10 seat pickup or 12 seat pickup

00:06:11.420 that got us a five seat majority the um ever since that time is to been to take the power away from you

00:06:20.980 maga that knocked on doors and and and with the small donors and get put your shoulder to the wheel

00:06:26.740 and got it done okay was it 100 seats it was not 100 seats was 30 seats it was not 30 seats i think

00:06:32.480 it was 10 seats but it was good enough to give you leverage and then by the way i think i think um

00:06:38.760 matt gates was right the smaller the number turned out we got more leverage not less the entire and so

00:06:46.900 if you look at the omnibus bill in the end of last year right if you look at then the first week of

00:06:53.960 uh january and that huge fight and now you look at this that they're all connected

00:06:59.340 and the connectivity is you what is going on in this imperial capital day when you see all the

00:07:06.020 votes and i'm running back and forth the this this the veil but this is all for one purpose

00:07:10.360 to take the power out of your hands as head of the creditors committee

00:07:14.940 they're running around now and this is 2.1 trillion or 1.5 trillion or cbo's market of this

00:07:21.780 the bing ba-bang ba-bung and we're gonna have ej on tony and we've had others yesterday just you

00:07:27.240 know russ vote all the other folks just just laugh at that mock that we kind of made dan bishop a uh

00:07:33.280 a thing yesterday because he was on fire here and then went right over to the press conference he was

00:07:38.480 he was the lead story everywhere as he should be

00:07:41.820 but by taking off remember the deal that you approved and not happily was 1.5 trillion dollars

00:07:51.480 debt ceiling relief and one year

00:07:55.900 um and what you have now is no cap in two years and so this particularly with with the with the

00:08:05.340 economy slowing down and uh tax revenues they have treasury saying well you know we're running out of

00:08:10.040 cash because it's uh you know we didn't foresee this it's unlimited but that's to take the power away

00:08:18.080 from you a year from now or less because they're gonna blow through the one five if you can put my

00:08:24.680 getter up denver on on the uh screen if they believed in one penny of those savings one penny of those

00:08:33.340 savings they would have a cap to this that's what you got to call them out today you you're you're

00:08:39.760 just liars you don't believe in this phony thing you put together if you believed in it you would put

00:08:45.000 a cap if it's 2.1 and a bunch of that's in the in the down years tell me what tell me give me a cap

00:08:50.980 tell me what the cap is let's cap it and even give you some headroom in case you know you missed

00:08:56.120 those let's do it no no cap just time the the typical washington game the end of the year

00:09:02.760 omnibus was to take the power of the appropriations process for this for the the fiscal year that

00:09:09.700 started back in october to put it in your hands and have you fight it out there they took that away

00:09:14.820 from you they took that gavel away from you the first week of january was then to re-empower you

00:09:21.340 with the 20 and the magnificent six who stood in the breach with all that and a lot of that was

00:09:27.160 procedural a lot of that was process and part of the big procedure and they rewrote the ruse last

00:09:32.840 night it was supposed to be unanimous and thomas massey and massey says hey i've got i'm an engineer

00:09:38.660 and i'm a politician my engineering side my politician side said i should have voted no

00:09:44.200 but my engineering side won out i think the folks in kentuck might have voted for the politician side not

00:09:53.220 the engineering side we should have stopped this in rules we had the agreement to stop it in rules

00:09:59.180 even with the two but since they they kind of remade that overnight it came down to massey and we

00:10:06.940 he said hey i i i believe we shouldn't have done it but i want to see this go to the floor

00:10:11.620 and massey will have to answer to that and for that but more importantly you saw the cheerleaders

00:10:19.220 they had i think a press conference matt gates i've got it up on on twitter they're all all the

00:10:23.520 same the same folks that have helped get us in this jam because this is controlled opposition

00:10:28.820 they want to take the power away from you they hate more than anything else except for taxing

00:10:37.600 their rich donors and making their rich donors pay for this woke and weaponized government that they so

00:10:42.960 greatly love right they want it they want the woke and weaponized if the large donors think about it

00:10:51.940 if the large donors didn't agree with the woke why do we have the corporations look at look at the

00:10:58.460 mac daddy on drudge right now you've got the the whole the pride month in june and all the fights

00:11:04.440 at bud light and anhears the bush and the fights at target the fights everywhere because they're up

00:11:09.160 in your grill you got that you got the guy with the mustache of you know taking kids around

00:11:14.820 disneyland dressed up as i don't know one of the snow white right you've got all that why why if you

00:11:22.100 didn't have that if they weren't if if the elites and the big donors were not uh were not in cahoots

00:11:30.140 with the corporations with esg and dei and all that you wouldn't have it they absolutely are they don't

00:11:36.740 care that's not about money all they care about is their money this vote if they believed if the

00:11:43.540 establishment believed when you call 202-225-312 and ask hey if you believe in this two tree and why

00:11:49.420 why are there no caps to this thing why don't you cap it why is it unlimited you must not believe in it

00:11:55.380 they're not going to be any savings they're not going to be any that's all nonsense no cuts here it's

00:12:01.180 all that's all optics it's not even good optics it's been shredded time and time again by bob good

00:12:08.180 by russ vote by many of the smartest guys around here by uh by the team over at uh at freedom works

00:12:15.140 adam brandon and the team you got you've got uh the team at heritage uh you've got um some of the

00:12:22.640 teams i'm not particularly uh fond of right some of these guys are the verently anti-maga anti-trump

00:12:29.860 they're even shredding it because it's not they treat you like idiots so when you call today say

00:12:37.840 hey if this stuff was real why don't you have a cap on it why is it two years why is it not one year

00:12:42.180 why don't we do this again here's the reason they don't want to do it again they're afraid and they've

00:12:50.020 said this to me their donors have said they don't want at the beginning of the general election

00:12:54.680 season next may april may or june of 2024 when the lower information voters start to pay attention

00:13:02.320 not total attention that's really after labor day but start to pay attention they don't want the

00:13:08.020 situation because they understand it's going to be worse it's going to be more debt it's going to be

00:13:11.680 slower they don't want the topic of taxes brought up they don't so for not to offend

00:13:19.680 the elite donors in the republican party they're prepared to give this up and prepared to give the

00:13:27.060 progressive left the biden regime the democrats are laughing at you right now they're laughing at you

00:13:33.780 and they know once again the republican party the old republican party this is what we're seeing the

00:13:39.540 rump of the republican party is sitting there uh saying they're controlled opposition

00:13:45.020 like the washington generals were to the harlem globetrotters you know never win just get just

00:13:51.420 get close enough to be performative this is all performative and that's why these congressmen

00:13:56.120 they're stepping up including many of mccarthy allies and that's why you don't see those guys

00:14:01.080 today on media because i'm sure they said hey it's bad enough you're voting for this you're not going

00:14:04.780 to come out and spread the word and get more people two zero two two two five three one two one

00:14:10.140 these calls and your emails are having a big impact until they dropped the hammer last night

00:14:16.320 after the rules at this conference the momentum was on our side we got to get the momentum back

00:14:21.280 we have to get the momentum back we need 80 to 100 that's the target that's the only way it's going

00:14:27.580 to happen is you remember if they believed in a penny of these cuts which they don't because

00:14:35.340 they're not going to happen they believed in a penny they would put a cap on it and make it for

00:14:39.860 one year it's uncapped for two years four five six maybe more trillion dollars added to the national

00:14:47.580 debt short commercial break ej and tony from heritage joins us next we rejoice when there's no more

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00:17:07.060 okay welcome back um thursday 31 may year of a lord 2023 i'll be doing so besides some congressmen

00:17:18.680 um and that's going to be rotating because it's a lot going on um you got me today right so we got

00:17:26.640 to get our minds right and get focused on that you've done a magnificent job don't get me wrong

00:17:30.120 incredible this town fears you they fear you as they should they fear you they fear you so much

00:17:40.120 i just want to make sure don't don't the signal the beating heart of this is to be as performative as

00:17:47.880 possible but to kick it down the road past the 2024 election this town they're very cunning

00:17:55.460 right wasn't lucifer cunning you read the history of these empires the british empire the spanish

00:18:02.220 empire the roman empire the persian empire the chinese empire the french empire you read it about

00:18:07.360 what happens around the court and the administrative branch of it whether it's in louis the 14th france

00:18:14.020 or in the uh the dynasties of china or in the roman empire after the republic

00:18:22.300 you see the court the people around it and the administrative branch everyone had an

00:18:28.740 administrative state and everyone had something like a praetorian guard the deep state part of that

00:18:33.760 it's always the same they absolutely fear the people everywhere that was the great brilliance of

00:18:43.660 our founders that's what the revolutionary generation understood they would not be captured

00:18:51.040 by a worthless landed aristocracy right you've seen look at these bozos over there the last couple

00:18:57.520 weeks i think a a a clown show um inbred um arist landed aristocracy coupled with monopolistic power

00:19:10.820 of uh given charters by the inbred worthless landed aristocracy that gave monopolies to essentially the

00:19:20.060 pirates the british east india company and others to exploit and to give them you know give them

00:19:27.600 they take uh 20 they take their 20 off the top it's the private equity model today 20 of the ups

00:19:33.560 we fought that and we fought it with a group of smugglers and lawyers and uh in uh in revolutionaries

00:19:43.000 tom pain and patrick henry fighters to not do that and so it's always been the struggle between your

00:19:51.740 voice and your tenuous grip on power and the apparatus and the apparatus all performative the

00:19:59.500 people that are voting for this the people stood up there you go to matt i've got it up on my site if

00:20:02.960 you look at that that crowd uh last night that was pushing this they're all just part of the apparatus

00:20:08.720 that's part of that's the unit party and anybody votes for this today is part of the unit party

00:20:13.160 why if if they if they believed in you they would be if they believed in you they would they would um

00:20:20.800 just do it for a year and do it for the 1.5 trillion and we hated that deal but we lived with it

00:20:29.240 in the spirit of compromise right this entire exercise don't think and on

00:20:38.480 fox with the stupid talking points and all this is just historic and we've been to the curve it's

00:20:42.600 all nonsense not happening none of it if they believed it they would put a cap in they give

00:20:48.740 you a number treat me like an adult okay hey you got 2.1 trillion cbo several 1.5 trillion something

00:20:55.400 trillion but being ba bang ba bung okay i don't know i'm just some schmendrick out in you know the

00:21:02.300 hinterland working every day paying taxes sending my sons and daughters to foreign battlefields to die

00:21:07.240 getting ready to go to ukraine i'm just a standard stock american i don't know put a number on it

00:21:15.880 they're not gonna put a number on it because they know it's a lie there's nothing there there's nothing

00:21:20.800 there but to kick to silence your voice and take away your power and if you want your power taken

00:21:27.780 away then support these people are doing it if you don't want your power away call them up today and

00:21:32.300 say hey i will put my shoulder to the wheel to primary you and folks in north carolina with

00:21:37.900 mckenry and folks up there in uh in south dakota with dusty johnson ought to be at the top tip of

00:21:43.760 that spear call your local guy and if they're by the way if they come out and said no have their back

00:21:50.600 on the byron donnells and the wesley hunts and the others that you wouldn't think ej and tony

00:21:57.440 how performative is this if they do you agree with my thesis if they believed in a penny of this

00:22:02.720 they would actually put a dollar cap on this sir oh steve a hundred percent and you need to look no

00:22:09.020 further than uh spokespeople for the administration itself such as the national economic council deputy

00:22:15.480 director who said that this is going to cement biden's incredibly strong set of progressive

00:22:21.480 accomplishments i mean that that those aren't my words those are his so the administration is

00:22:27.100 absolutely taking a victory lap over this because they know that it is essentially a progressive

00:22:32.780 wish list give me that again it's too that's the power of your argument you're a numbers guy but you

00:22:40.780 dug up these great quotes in this i just want to hit rewind again and tell our audience the only reason

00:22:48.540 they're not laughing at you non-stop on msmbc is because they got to get this thing passed

00:22:53.920 they understand the leverage we still have they got to get it passed and then the senate they got

00:22:58.440 to stop there they need they need 20 republican votes out there at least they get it but they're behind

00:23:03.960 the scenes they can barely contain their glee because we've locked in the mouth by the way

00:23:09.920 the same group of people right the same group of people that got all the spending that what eight

00:23:15.760 trillion dollars or six trillion dollars of his off the book spending that caused the inflation

00:23:20.320 that that that that that caused the crash in the bonds that blew the hole in the balance sheet of

00:23:27.640 the banks that caused the banks and still have you still have a weak banking system all of that

00:23:32.200 same group ej give me that again tell me how they're how they're how they're rubbing our nose in it

00:23:39.600 the the national economic council deputy director uh one of biden's uh economic advisors essentially

00:23:47.040 said that this is an incredibly strong set of or i'm sorry that this bill is going to cement an

00:23:53.480 incredibly strong set of progressive accomplishments and and you need look at you need look no further

00:23:59.360 for example then uh the the permitting reform that's in this bill which really isn't a reformation

00:24:04.520 it's more of a deformation because this does not uh actually reform permitting where we will get

00:24:11.660 more coal oil and natural gas may we get a a small amount of those permits actually through it's

00:24:17.640 certainly possible in fact likely but what is really being greenlit here are boondoggles in solar

00:24:24.240 and wind and not expansions of the electricity grid which will help with uh overall balancing or

00:24:31.180 reduce brownouts and blackouts but instead uh trying to increase the infrastructure to support more

00:24:37.740 electric vehicles so even things that conservative conservatives think are wins in this legislation

00:24:44.820 are actually losses

00:24:46.640 by the way let me let me make sure everybody i want to thank the engine room of the war room

00:24:55.100 it's wednesday i'm jumping a day ahead we're it's all a blur here in the war room we're trying to

00:25:00.920 get in the fog of battle it's wednesday 31 may good lord okay wednesday 31 may the year of our lord

00:25:08.360 2023 of the 1.5 to 2.1 trade in cbo what what um mccarthy mccarthy by the way he's nervous they're

00:25:17.980 whipping hard at this conference we told about the conference last night before we went off the air

00:25:22.040 they're whipping hard what i mean by that they're putting pressure on these people that means your

00:25:26.360 calls are working so specifically call your representative if you got time call call you

00:25:31.820 know pick one mccarthy leadership and or mckenry or the dusty johnson of the world you you pick them

00:25:38.440 um but it's you're you're basically whipping the vote you got to whip your own vote here baby

00:25:44.400 because it's not going to happen otherwise this is a self-organizing system there's other people

00:25:50.000 doing it too but you you are the lead you're the one they fear they fear you they fear you because

00:25:56.740 you they understand first of you're paying the bills number two it's the common sense of the

00:26:01.860 american people and the common sense is exactly counterintuitive what happens up here ej when

00:26:07.820 they're pushing 1.5 to 2.1 trillion dollars of savings and cuts and historic and we're bending the

00:26:13.800 curve and it's less than last year is there any truth according to your article is there any truth to

00:26:19.540 that sir no because so many of of these alleged cuts have very easy workarounds for either the

00:26:27.080 administration uh or for the liberals in congress and so once again i'm not sure conservatives actually

00:26:33.300 understand what they are signing up for here if they do understand then then this is a a flat-out

00:26:39.100 betrayal of the promises that they made to their constituents you know and and just to take to take

00:26:45.320 one thing you mentioned earlier uh you talked about the cb the cbo estimates right and and mccarthy

00:26:51.380 actually uh was tweeting about this yesterday that cbo estimates that this is going to have

00:26:56.240 tremendous savings that's the same organization that still has remittances from the fed to the

00:27:01.440 treasury as positive in other words the fed is providing revenue to the treasury it's exactly the

00:27:06.560 opposite they are costing the treasury billions of dollars right now yeah um

00:27:13.320 there's there's it's all a workaround it's all a total workaround and the workaround is not that

00:27:20.080 hard the workarounds are not that hard there's not if they believed in a penny of the 1.5 to 2.1

00:27:28.700 either take mccarthy's estimate cbo's estimate take the breitbart guys got it up all of it if they

00:27:33.980 believed in one penny of that we would have a cap we would have a cap this entire exercise and that's

00:27:43.160 why the patriots that are standing up and particularly some of the patriots that haven't been associated

00:27:47.860 as mago crazies mago you know extremist these patriots and heroes are laying out and saying hey

00:27:54.900 you know i was open-minded i read the bill i read the bill overnight it's all a tissue of lies

00:28:00.900 if they believed a penny of what cbo saying if they believed it they would put a cap on this they

00:28:09.460 would give you a number the reason they don't is they understand when ej and tony our guest from

00:28:15.760 heritage the numbers guy when he's sitting there and goes through and said there's all this simple

00:28:20.640 workarounds to all of this it's not going to happen ej can you hang on i know you're busy hang on

00:28:25.900 we're gonna have a very special guest we're gonna take a short commercial break we're gonna return in

00:28:30.300 the war room and we're doing rolling thunder next we're gonna have a couple of congressmen in a row

00:28:35.440 and they're gonna lay down the truth about what's going on here remember the entire point of the

00:28:40.920 exercise is to take power out of your hands to kick it into 2025 to not have it part of a national

00:28:48.460 conversation in the presidential election of 2024 because they've seen the numbers at cnn when people

00:28:54.820 are informed with information they said that we can't do this we can't continue to do this

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00:30:29.240 okay welcome back um we're now going to get into our first guest is congressman nancy mace i want to

00:30:38.120 because we're pressed for time and i want to make sure we get into details you've voted first of all you

00:30:43.400 have a history in uh south carolina when you're in the legislature you're not a person that raised

00:30:49.320 taxes or likes never did it never voted to raise taxes you don't like big deficits i voted against

00:30:53.680 bad spending wasteful spending that's always i've always been why is that way because uh south

00:30:59.780 carolinians and the american people deserve better and when you when you talk to america and you know

00:31:04.300 this you just talked about this earlier the vast majority of americans republican independent democrat

00:31:08.160 they don't want to increase the debt ceiling unless we have spending cuts that is the bottom

00:31:14.400 line this bill cuts nothing it is not a spending cut bill there's no cap as you mentioned there's

00:31:19.340 literally no no i want to go back to history on the first one you voted but you weren't entirely happy

00:31:24.360 even on that i was reluctant yes on that vote because i didn't believe the bill was fiscally

00:31:28.980 conservative enough because when you go to negotiate when you go to the table to negotiate you want to

00:31:33.580 come from the most conservative position you can because you know you have to give things up you know

00:31:37.920 you have to build consensus and when i look and i see what we got out of this thing we got nothing

00:31:42.440 the first time then then you waited and held your fire until the bill was released to you over the

00:31:48.700 weekend walk me through that experience well we you can't talk about it or speak about it in detail

00:31:53.560 unless you actually have the text and i didn't want to get ahead of my skis i wanted to make sure that

00:31:58.000 i knew what i was talking about no matter which way i was going to vote i wanted to get there

00:32:03.040 i wanted to be a yes on this thing we got the bill text sunday night i stayed up to midnight

00:32:07.840 reading it i slept i slept all night woke up at 4 a.m re-read it again to make sure i knew what i was

00:32:12.400 talking about and i was angry i was very angry the american people were spoon-fed a bed of lies about

00:32:18.940 this bill and even members of our conference were it it does not do what the american people are told

00:32:24.540 it does and and that is as a first woman to graduate from the citadel we were told not to lie

00:32:29.620 cheat or steal or tolerate those who do and i just can't go along it's not it's not right it's

00:32:34.740 not what the american people want that's what's so shocking when you first came out you said i read

00:32:39.120 it twice and i'm a hard no um that shocked people because most people would think uh you're pretty

00:32:44.920 closely aligned to leadership well i'm very i very much i'm sort of small l libertarian i i i'm

00:32:50.640 fiscally conservative i socially am sensible and uh some people call me a moderate i say centrist but

00:32:56.820 i've always been fiscally conservative and when i read it and i read the fine print it's literally

00:33:02.080 not worth the paper it's printed on because there are so many ways to get around the caps uh to for

00:33:08.680 example the omb director has sole authority to wave the pay go is a joke the pay go it's not pay go

00:33:15.000 it's not and they take that's over a trillion dollars of savings is there when you see the 1.5 to

00:33:20.700 2.1 trillion the range of cuts and those things they talk about and you've gone through the document

00:33:25.580 many times uh do you believe any of that no it doesn't exist it's not actually in the bill we

00:33:32.480 were told we were gutting the irs and gutting the hiring of 87 000 irs agents it's literally not in

00:33:40.020 the bill we on page 53 line 11 we cut 1.4 billion from the irs that's it of the 80 billion of the 80

00:33:48.020 billion it's less than two percent one and a half 1.4 percent something like that but we also say they

00:33:53.080 also in appropriations well we're gonna we're gonna cut 10 billion from the irs well the irs

00:33:57.040 gets to decide where that 10 billion cut comes from if they do it at all we get no say in this

00:34:01.560 and and so i was i was angry when i read the bill because it's not what we were so when you talk to

00:34:07.120 leadership because they're out there and they've got certain mega people uh supporting some house

00:34:12.300 freedom caucus members supporting is trying to trying to trying to spin it and trying to sell it

00:34:15.900 it's gaslighting when you talk to leadership what is their response behind the scenes what when you

00:34:21.380 say hey look i don't believe in this and more importantly the folks in south carolina are not

00:34:27.280 stupid yeah they're smart folks right they may not go into all these great schools or may not you know

00:34:32.960 have all these fancy degrees but they're hard-working people and they have common sense

00:34:36.520 and you're not if you if you try to lie and spin this and sell it to them they're going to be more

00:34:41.380 angry than anything because you they think you feel that they're stupid they're just spinning it

00:34:45.880 till they're blue in the face right now we found out cbo the congressional budget office came out

00:34:49.400 their scoring last night come to find out with the uh the snap uh provisions that were put in there

00:34:54.600 that we were going to make work requirements and make it you know harder etc actually we're actually

00:34:59.140 increasing government welfare by a significant portion is it 74 000 new that when yes per month per

00:35:04.900 month 74 000 whatever i understand is there a big thing about work requirements it turns out 74 000 per month

00:35:11.160 we're adding we're adding to the list yeah we're actually expanding government welfare i thought

00:35:15.680 that as republicans we were against that we wanted people to work and be responsible for themselves

00:35:20.380 those who are in need feel better and get a job and be productive members of society now there are

00:35:24.840 those who are going to need help for a lifetime yes but the vast majority of us can work and be

00:35:28.880 productive members of society and we're actually growing welfare in this thing they denied that last

00:35:33.760 night but that's what the cbo score says and cbo also says in terms of deficit reduction 1.5 trillion

00:35:39.140 in 10 years just as our our entitlement programs are going insolvent and that means that that that

00:35:46.320 that means that uh you know years three through 10 where there's no there's no statutory binding

00:35:51.540 zero the options it's it's a it's a it's a pipe dream it's a two-year deal you don't get there in

00:35:57.480 two years you actually add four trillion dollars to that debt which is why i was angry minimum by the

00:36:02.760 way if if tax if we if the economy's slowing tax revenues we know are going to be less that's why

00:36:08.180 yelling skipping around um it's going to could be five train could be six if you have some sort of

00:36:12.920 emergency like another ccp bioweapon you can have another seven or eight trillion this condemns us

00:36:19.160 to the lost decades of the japan in the 90s because you're gonna have one one and a half percent growth

00:36:23.900 huge you're gonna be over a trillion dollars a year crowding out real productivity well the other

00:36:29.140 thing that people don't realize is that we are setting into law which is why a clean debt ceiling would

00:36:33.420 be better than this bill we are making law that our baseline spending going forward is going to be

00:36:39.320 covid level spending highest record high spending historic high spending that's what we're putting

00:36:45.840 into law here that is a baseline going forward and then not to mention the bill uh doesn't control

00:36:50.580 anything if there's an emergency right quote a hurricane ukraine market stabilization there are ways

00:36:56.440 to get around these caps and uh and that's how they do it and they will they will do it they will do

00:37:01.540 it oh they're going to definitely get around the um you said something about clean debt ceiling if

00:37:06.700 you had clean debt ceiling with a cap or if you had better than this if you had a discharge petition

00:37:10.960 have a couple of lawless guys vote for it to let it happen that's that is better than having the party

00:37:17.520 the center part of the party push this forward yeah it's not physically conservative what we are doing

00:37:23.360 we are selling away our kids and our grandkids future i mean and i'm a single mom of two teenage kids

00:37:30.060 and i can't look my kids in the eye and say i did this for their future i'm not doing it when you

00:37:34.340 first came out the reason this city the imperial capital was in shock they go oh my god you know

00:37:41.300 she we thought she was close to leadership and she's going to evangelize and she's very she's very

00:37:45.720 smart she understands what went on here and she's gone what was the pressure that came on you from

00:37:50.540 leadership as soon as that happened as soon as you had the jailbreak well certainly leadership was

00:37:54.700 reaching out to me and i i have had conversations certainly was that true yeah they were definitely

00:38:00.560 uh multiple folks but you know and i would say a question where in the bill can you show me the

00:38:06.000 section the page and the line where we're doing this can't couldn't do it how does mckenry's a smart

00:38:12.020 guy but the folks in karen he's a smart guy he's a very smart guy how does mckenry being a smart guy

00:38:18.220 think he can sell this to you and to others that have gone through this in detail and are not and

00:38:23.880 are not part of what's considered the mega extremist right our our posse how how do they

00:38:29.900 think they can sell it to you when you confirm and say let's just go let's just go to the to the

00:38:34.220 document well i try to read it as an agnostic and i would go to leadership and i'd say where in the

00:38:38.560 bill does it do this and it just doesn't no one can come back and say well this is where

00:38:42.520 we're cutting the spending or the deficit they think that getting clawing back covid unspent covid

00:38:47.380 funds is a cut it's not and do you really think states are going to give that money back they're

00:38:51.380 going to find a way to spend it it's ridiculous but what's going to commerce first of all it's

00:38:54.880 going to the the covid stuff's just going to commerce it's not it's not actually coming off

00:38:58.780 the balance sheet right there's no decrease in here they shifted to commerce and they'll figure

00:39:03.520 out some way to use it's a show game it's what we would call a show game that's that's what it

00:39:08.380 is but they couldn't come back and i would because i try to be agnostic i come from a purple

00:39:12.220 district very independent-minded i'm very pragmatic i'm very black and white what are the

00:39:16.600 numbers that's how i want to look at it in a spreadsheet what is it actually saying what

00:39:19.860 are we doing and no one could give me the evidence in the bill that this is how it's going to work for

00:39:25.040 the next 10 years because it doesn't exist talk talk about the purple district you know cnn the

00:39:29.040 power that when cnn poll came out you could tell they changed again they got shocked that's what they

00:39:32.760 had to get the two years cnn poll 60 percent of all americans think it shouldn't be increased

00:39:37.580 unless there's significant cuts 15 percent said just go ahead and default and let's figure it out

00:39:42.740 said 75 percent are saying there has to be massive cuts the but when you look at the crosstabs 45 percent

00:39:50.280 of democrats yeah 45 percent of democrats say it should not be increased unless they're real cuts

00:39:55.060 not not performing in your district how is this going to play well i i haven't pulled it but what

00:40:00.360 i can tell you because i i most of my district are independents and then it's republicans and then

00:40:04.780 democrats but when you see the data my instinct as as a suburban mom is this is not right and we are

00:40:11.440 seeing that support because republicans independents and even a few democrats as you cited support real

00:40:17.020 spending cuts in order to increase the debt ceiling and they realize this bill doesn't do that and i i

00:40:22.460 try to be very pragmatic and agnostic and non-partisan when i'm looking at these especially spending

00:40:27.280 measures but we just we're setting into law biden's entirely progressive agenda we're paying for all of

00:40:34.220 it in this bill and even yesterday we saw members of his administration gloating in the national media

00:40:39.440 talking about how they're going to steamroll republicans and steamroll this country based

00:40:45.120 on what's in this bill i refuse to stand down i refuse to be rolled over and uh you know love love

00:40:52.700 or hate him donald trump would never allow this to happen he would never he would be sitting at the

00:40:56.880 table he'd be making a deal ronda santis too we need strong leadership in 24 we cannot allow this to

00:41:03.060 continue this is typical dc run-of-the-mill uh dc math that they're doing the problem with the

00:41:09.120 second year is that when uh when president from my opinion president trump returns or for other

00:41:15.180 people with de santis whoever it is when they get there in 25 first off you're going to have a lame

00:41:19.960 duck session beforehand they'll do anything to the debt ceiling one number two you're going to have

00:41:23.700 another four or five trillion dollars your ability to maneuver is going to be so restrictive you're

00:41:28.600 going to have interest payments over a trillion dollars you're going to have uh you're going to

00:41:32.320 have uh 35 or 36 or 37 trillion dollars a face amount plus with the gap the federal reserve

00:41:37.480 the economy is going to be a dumpster fire so any republican that steps in is going to be shackled

00:41:43.140 to the biden regime in perpetuity that's what they want to accomplish and they want to they want to

00:41:48.780 put in the covet the massive increase in government that happened during the bioweapon attack by the ccp

00:41:55.640 they want to lock that in you've locked it in you've got all the law you locked it in by law you've got all

00:42:01.340 the problems with all the biden regime policies right and it's going to be even more difficult to roll

00:42:06.200 this back two years from now because of the debt we're adding to the government and it's going to

00:42:11.640 be harder to fix i mean the cuts will have to make two years when you talk to leadership in this kind

00:42:16.480 of hey i'm not a maggot extremist you know i'm a quote-unquote moderate what's the response to you

00:42:22.220 well it's just spin i mean it's just it's just spin they want to deny what's happening here

00:42:27.360 and i i come with facts i've had fellow colleagues of mine pile on when they wanted to say hey we're

00:42:33.280 gutting the irs and i'm saying well no here is in the bill where we don't gut the irs that's not

00:42:37.940 true when i combat the lies with facts and with truth it's just the lieutenants are out there

00:42:42.880 they're piling on and they're whipping this hard oh yeah well last night i had a fellow colleague

00:42:48.200 of mine tell me that i didn't have the right to speak my opinion or speak my voice or or you know

00:42:52.740 that that i didn't have the right to do that and i was like i'm sorry but we have a first amendment

00:42:56.140 in this country and we can they say that well because i'm speaking the truth because i'm giving

00:43:00.840 facts to the american people i want them to know what's in this bill what it does and does not do

00:43:05.620 which is why i had that 20 tweet thread come out yesterday because i want to put that up the 20

00:43:10.740 what's actually happening we put it up on the show yesterday it's still the best explanation

00:43:14.580 kind of tweet by tweet in that thread of exactly what this is going on can you stay for another block

00:43:19.440 sure okay uh congressman nancy mason by the way we're saying and the audience is so worked up about

00:43:24.580 this particularly on the details and be treated like fools folks in these particularly in the south

00:43:29.560 and up in the plain states and let me throw in an arizona and utah out west these big time red

00:43:36.540 districts that have folks that vote this is a defining moment right now this will be the most

00:43:41.220 important vote that's taken in this um this is more important than the speakers are this is the

00:43:46.400 single most important uh vote that will be taken in this congress uh and this is the defining moment

00:43:52.040 and people in deep red uh districts that vote for this you should assume you're working assumption

00:43:57.340 this you're going to get a big league primary challenge because i'm already my phone's blowing

00:44:02.280 up non-stop but people are furious about this people have had your backs and it's a tissue of lies

00:44:08.040 the thing people so work about you're treating them like idiots and they're not idiots the american

00:44:13.340 people have an innate common sense very smart they're on point they're angry and they should be

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00:46:49.320 um but what upset the establishment in this city when you put these tweets out you said your your job

00:46:56.940 and focus your task and purpose in the next couple days is to have certain members of the republican

00:47:01.220 party grow a set yeah what did you mean by that well they need to have the courage to do the right

00:47:06.700 thing which is to vote against this bill read the bill and vote against the bill but uh you know

00:47:11.160 growing a set i brought my set this morning i want to show off to you this is from this is from you got

00:47:15.380 this from the old days the old days when these are from south canola these are my brass balls

00:47:19.080 and i was giving them to them as a state lawmaker did you get that at citadel or no as a state

00:47:24.200 lawmaker because i i never voted to go along with the blow to spending or reckless spending in the

00:47:29.600 state house i never voted to raise taxes that make you there oh very unpopular actually and that's

00:47:35.120 the difference yeah it's the difference between the people when when they give you yeah when they

00:47:38.900 give you the set when they give you the brass balls it is because the people support you but the

00:47:45.060 people in the in the either the swamp in columbia or the swamp in washington you're going to fight

00:47:49.960 no same difference and i don't i don't have any issues with kevin mccarthy personally here but i

00:47:54.740 don't answer to kevin i don't answer to leadership i answer to south carolina i answer to the american

00:48:00.000 people because they're the ones who put me here and i have to listen to all the voices republicans

00:48:04.280 independents and democrats in my district and i want to do the right thing for the people who sent me

00:48:09.460 to washington which means you have to have the balls the courage to do the right thing even when

00:48:14.520 it's difficult this is not easy very few of us will vote no today and have that courage to do

00:48:19.440 the right thing but this is not what the american people signed up for it's not what they want and

00:48:23.180 it's not what they deserve do you think that uh if he has to get 50 60 70 80 because right now

00:48:30.600 they're saying he promised he would deliver 150 republican votes if he has to get that do you support

00:48:36.740 uh reviewing the motion of ak well that's i think still pretty premature right now uh you know we'll see

00:48:43.620 how open to you're open to consider well i'm not not at this juncture i'm not i i want to see where

00:48:48.860 this thing goes i wish that we had the ability to amend the bill last night and rules we didn't we

00:48:54.700 weren't allowed that i think you could was that was that a retrait from what they originally promised

00:48:58.360 that there's going to be unanimity to come out of rules it may have been according to chip roy it was

00:49:02.700 i'm not part of the house freedom caucus so i don't know what deal they negotiate or what handshakes

00:49:07.140 they made with the speaker during that election but what i can say if you have this many people who are

00:49:12.500 upset republicans in our conference upset with it you should have opened it up for some amendments

00:49:17.640 like the omb director why are we giving one person in the federal government sole authority

00:49:22.240 to waive these caps for any program that they want you know so i just there are a few things you could

00:49:28.460 have done as a fiscal hawk yeah which you are and have you have a set there you have a set there

00:49:34.720 that proves you've done this since the south carolina legislature as a fiscal hawk why are you not

00:49:40.860 amenable to joining something like the house freedom caucus that would give you maybe a little

00:49:44.840 more stroke well i am an independent minded person i i joke and i'm being real here but i am a caucus

00:49:51.500 of one and so my district is very much they don't want somebody who's going to toe the line on either

00:49:57.240 side of the aisle and some of the positions i take are independent of the party and you know i've taken

00:50:03.700 a different stance on women's issues i want to be pro-woman and be pro-life i don't know why

00:50:07.680 we can't do both at the same time and so some of my positions don't always align with freedom

00:50:12.980 caucus i align with them on fiscal issues most of the time do you have support of the of the pro-life

00:50:18.140 community in your district uh i believe that i do now some of the national groups they won't talk to

00:50:23.400 me because i'm talking about birth control like you just you cannot win a general election and ignore

00:50:28.160 this issue we saw what happened with the mayor's race in jacksonville the mayor has nothing to do with

00:50:32.920 abortion rights in this country we lost that seat a seat where an area where ronda santis won by 12

00:50:38.460 points we just lost that seat this is an issue that will determine the outcome of the 2024

00:50:44.920 general election so you believe so i do believe so it's going to be a top is it going to be a top two

00:50:49.720 issue i i'm in a purple district i know what people care about they care about spending they care

00:50:54.620 about abortion those are the top two issues in swing districts and when you look at the 30 house

00:50:59.460 that determine the outcome of the majority of the house when you look at the states that are swing

00:51:02.980 states those are the two issues that you have to address in the general election in 24 inflation

00:51:08.440 spending and abortion if the the right to life people say they just haven't done a good enough

00:51:13.400 job of explaining it do you buy that i don't because they literally had a president who got roe overturned

00:51:19.800 and now they're against him they're targeting him attacking him and they move the goalposts these are

00:51:24.500 the same pro-life groups who are 20 weeks with exceptions two years ago and now if you take that

00:51:29.000 position you're you're not pro-life anymore they would they would adamantly disagree with you but

00:51:32.520 would you sit down are you sitting down with any of these people i'll talk to anybody who would

00:51:36.760 talk to me about this are you saying they frozen you out yes uh yes specific pro-life groups up

00:51:41.520 your national pro-life groups the minute i started talking about giving women access to birth control

00:51:45.780 they shut us out okay uh maybe we can hopefully arrange a meeting with you guys uh because obviously

00:51:51.580 the the war room posse is quite pro-life with the evangelicals but you can there's a balance you can

00:51:57.220 the evangelicals and traditional catholics real quickly how do people follow you your your thread

00:52:01.420 yesterday was brilliant how do you do more of that today where do people follow you on social media

00:52:06.080 how they get to know you better the website is nancymace.org on twitter we're at nancymace uh and

00:52:11.560 you can follow us on there and see the thread at about 20 tweets or so i woke up yesterday kind of

00:52:16.600 angry and uh went right to twitter to explain why i was going to vote against this thing today

00:52:21.340 if you if you if you donate to you do you get a set of those is that is that is that a premium

00:52:26.080 i should put that on the website i'm just but you can get a t-shirt so but nancymace.org

00:52:32.140 i went to nancymace's site all i got was a crummy t-shirt okay one more time what's the twitter it's

00:52:37.360 at nancymace okay thank you very much for coming in and thank you for being one of the leaders of

00:52:41.840 trying to have people grow a set on us particularly with facts you're arguing facts that's what's most

00:52:46.720 important you read the document and you're arguing facts that is what this is about they can't win

00:52:51.960 it on the facts they got to spin it so thank you very much for coming in okay we're gonna take a

00:52:55.160 short commercial break ej and tony from heritage i hope is still with us also andrew clive we got

00:53:00.880 other congressmen in the next hour and i'm going to break down this bill a little bit more and also

00:53:04.980 talk about what's going to happen today the critical path to the vote this evening we're also

00:53:09.160 going to live stream that uh tonight i think it starts at 8 30 we're going to start we're going to

00:53:13.480 live stream tonight and we'll have running commentary short commercial break back in the

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Bannon's War Room - May 31, 2023

Episode 2771： The tell on the debt ceiling is there is no cap

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