00:00:26.520Yeah, there are other ways that they can make the speaker's life difficult.
00:00:30.500And it seems like this might be one of those ways.
00:00:33.420Initially, we headed into this first vote on the rule, which effectively would set up the rest of the week's ability to vote on things relating to protections for gas stoves.
00:00:42.900That was the focus for the House Republican majority this week.
00:00:46.280And when they went to do this vote, they immediately started bleeding support from the Republican side.
00:00:51.580several of these House Freedom Caucus members. It became 11 of them in total saying that they
00:00:56.860were doing this because of some arm twisting that was done by leadership during the debt
00:01:01.740ceiling deal specifically related to one Andrew Clyde. He was told that he was going to initially
00:01:07.020get a vote on a bill of his this week, but now that he wasn't because he voted against the rule
00:01:11.460on the debt deal. So this might be some retaliation from leadership. Frankly, this is the kind of
00:01:17.940thing that we see from leadership, but it's not often the kind of thing that we see happen on the
00:01:22.920fly where leadership is surprised by other parts of their conference and able to tank a rule vote
00:01:29.180like this. Our friend John Bresnahan says this hasn't happened since 2002, I believe. So it's
00:01:34.540been a while and it's pretty embarrassing for leadership now as they try to regroup and figure
00:01:39.140out the path forward. All right. Let me ask you about it's not pretty embarrassing. It's a total
00:01:43.080humiliation it's tuesday 6 june in the year of our lord 2023 the 79th anniversary of the beginning
00:01:50.240of uh the battle of normandy um and the battle of overlord with the landing of d-day we're gonna
00:01:56.400have uh congressman self here we're gonna talk about point to hock at the bottom of the hour
00:02:00.200but right now there is a revolt uh matt gates and lauren bobert matt gates from florida lauren
00:02:06.200bobert from colorado uh about as dramatic as you possibly get you guys seize control of the floor
00:02:12.960of the House of Representatives today. Tell us about that. Well, it hasn't happened in 21 years.
00:02:18.340And, you know, we are very upset about how the debt limit deal came together. Kevin McCarthy
00:02:25.180exceeded the authority that he had been given by the House of Representatives. When we learned
00:02:30.320that it was Kevin McCarthy who gave away an additional year to ice in the agenda of the
00:02:37.020Biden regime. We were deeply, deeply frustrated about that. And then there were misrepresentations
00:02:46.420about the bill. Like it puts us in an awkward situation with our colleagues who we like and
00:02:51.620care about, who we want to see reelected when McCarthy has them go out and say things like
00:02:57.060there's this great regulatory reform in the bill. And then, of course, we point out it's all
00:03:01.260waivable by the Biden budget director. And then that becomes very uncomfortable. And that happened
00:03:06.720time and again on this debt limit bill.
00:03:08.480On permitting, on your work requirements.
00:03:11.780You sat right here and told us a trillion dollars of work requirements six weeks ago.
00:03:15.680When they were done with the work requirements on the SNAP program, they expanded SNAP.
00:03:20.940I'm sure glad they didn't do work requirements on Medicaid.
00:03:23.400It would have been Medicaid expansion.
00:03:24.840We had EJ and Tony here who said yesterday they just technically made a mistake,
00:03:28.640and when they found out about it, they were told about it by other House staffers.
00:03:31.760They were too embarrassed to go back and try to fight for it.
00:03:33.980Well, it was a circumstance where the Biden negotiating team, frankly, played the House negotiating team and took their lunch money.
00:03:42.100Look, Lawrence O'Donnell did almost an hour last night on a show, and they came on MSNBC today.
00:03:46.640They had the negotiators on last night.
00:06:42.960Are you actually saying that you think that the Speaker of the House would actually partner with Hakeem Jeffries and the radical Democrats?
00:07:03.020You know, sometimes the element of surprise is important to deliver the message.
00:07:07.540And in this case, we had made these points previously.
00:07:12.280We'd expressed our frustration, but there seems to be a lot of muscle memory among some of the leadership staff and some of the leadership kind of deputies that it's going to go back to the old days.
00:07:30.000No, and we want to be – we understand that not every member of our conference holds precisely the views that Lauren and I do, right?
00:07:36.980We understand that, and we want to engage those folks in sincere discussion about how to move the country forward.
00:07:42.720I mean, Lauren, you probably weren't entirely thrilled with Limit Save Grow, but you voted for it out of comity with your colleagues working together as a team.
00:07:51.520And then for Kevin McCarthy to use Limit Save Grow as a permission slip to just go rogue and exceed his authority.
00:07:58.660Did they give you any heads up they were trading this stuff away or that all come at the end?
00:08:02.640No, and I think that in the future informing on all of our work ahead.
00:08:06.980We've marked – we took the Washington Post article from this weekend and we marked it where he came out and actually said, hold the line, I'm holding the line.
00:08:14.780And it was why – it's after they'd already given stuff away.
00:09:53.900And then they retraded that, the rules, all the important stuff,
00:09:58.840they retraded that in the process of getting the debt ceiling done.
00:10:01.720A core pillar of the agreement that allowed McCarthy to assume the speakership is that he would never put a debt limit proposal on the floor that did not revert to 2022 spending levels or commensurate fiscal reforms.
00:10:38.320And I want to see this Republican majority work as a team, but effectively and to stop putting on these puppet shows in the absence of real action.
00:10:47.900Talk to our audience about the type of intimidation that these guys have tried to use over the last week or so since the rules vote and the overall vote and then afterwards.
00:10:59.240Well, there's some we can tell you about and there's some we cannot tell you about.
00:11:02.700But I can assure you that it is a vertically integrated strategy to try to convince people that if they do not adhere to the leadership thinking on a procedural matter or even a substantive matter,
00:11:17.580that they will have negative consequences for their political career.
00:11:21.080And whether that is getting a bill heard, whether that's losing a chairmanship or a gavel, whether that's...
00:11:43.020I am as serious about this as I have been about anything I've done in this Congress.
00:11:46.660We are not going back to the old ways. And if and if that means that the Gas Stove Protection Act doesn't get a vote this week, then so effing be it.
00:11:57.340Our audience was absolutely stunned when Andy Clyde, who's about as humble and nice a guy as you could possibly have, came in here and he told the audience what they did with a bill that, quite frankly, is at the top of the heap probably with 90 percent of our audience and the conservative base out there.
00:12:15.080They were absolutely shocked that they would use people's constitutional rights and particularly the penalty 10 years in a federal prison for disabled veterans, for disabled veterans.0.91
00:12:23.620So if they're prepared to do that, I mean, they're prepared to do anything, right?
00:12:28.940Any tool that they can find to leverage and retaliate against members, then yes, that is what has been used in the past.
00:12:36.840That's that muscle memory that Matt's talking about.
00:12:39.460And I think if we don't do this now, then we have to wait until, what, appropriations?
00:12:45.160And we're being told right now that appropriations is when we're going to actually get this right.
00:12:49.940Well, we don't trust that because this has been broken.
00:12:52.080And so we want to make sure that there is trust in place, structure in place, so appropriations can be done right rather than getting an omnibus bill December 24th, because that is exactly where we're heading.
00:13:02.400And I don't want another $4 trillion mistake.
00:13:05.040Yeah, you can't make too many $4 trillion mistakes and keep the country.
00:17:10.700But it doesn't answer the question as to whether or not they've learned the lesson about punishment of members.
00:17:16.940and and the notion that when we adhere to our agreement that somehow we're to blame for that
00:17:24.440and and are and are going to have our legislation threatened just that they're putting the bill back
00:17:29.000up doesn't prove that they learned the lesson and that's i think the work ahead as we try to
00:17:33.240reconstitute this thing and we just walked out of a meeting with several of our colleagues the 20
00:17:37.760you know the band is back together if you will uh and the 20 that changed history in the first
00:17:43.380week. Well, we'll see if we've changed history. We're working to try to change Washington. Let's
00:17:47.900start there. But my friend and colleague, Eli Crane, said nothing happens in Washington, D.C.
00:17:53.560without force. Powerful. Coming from a SEAL combat veteran who's only been here a couple of months,
00:18:00.060pretty powerful. You know they're not going to back off. This is going to be a real show of
00:18:04.100muscle now, right? You understand. I don't know. They just agreed to put up the pistol bill.
00:18:08.820So, you know, I think they have to do that because the outrage and the firestorm throughout the country, particularly in the conservative movement, that you would have three million people possible ATF could designate as felons tomorrow.
00:18:19.760By the way, we're going to have Gun Owners Association head in the six o'clock hour.
00:18:24.600But do you think that shows that they've blinked?
00:19:13.620Oh, yeah, you were doing your – oh, yeah, recasting history a little bit there because you were playing your Wolf Blitzer, you know, moderator.
00:21:23.920We're dug in that we're changing this place and it's not going to be easy.
00:21:26.660And it didn't. There was no reason to have any ticker tape parade in January.
00:21:31.120This is the hard slog, you know, and we you said that we are frustrated that that part of this process was a four trillion dollar mistake.
00:21:39.100Yes. And we we are we wear that we have we are trying to make this place better.
00:21:45.380And in respect, our infrastructure failed.
00:21:49.740It failed the people on this debt limit deal, and we carry the weight of that, and we will build a better deal going forward, and it's not going to be on their terms.
00:21:59.280We've done that, and the people got sold out.
00:22:14.140Well, you know, as we're speaking with you, I think on my way over here, I had three members of leadership ask if I would come to their office.
00:22:20.640And I said I had to spend a little time with the posse first.
00:22:31.900They could do that all the time, and it doesn't really work all that well.
00:22:34.880I think they want to understand what we believe can put Humpty Dumpty back together again here.
00:22:40.020you know is is but we can't redo the the bill is so horrific at every level we can't redo that and
00:22:46.100your point about the appropriations process exact senate's never going to approve you're going to
00:22:49.520get down to the 30th of september you're going to have a cr we're going to get down to the 24th of
00:22:53.860january and we're going to have another omnibus we will let me tell you something we're working
00:22:57.500to prevent yeah if there is an omnibus that hits that floor or if there's a minibus and a cr uh
00:23:03.240The line will be long of members moving to vacate the chair if that is what occurs, because the organizing principle of our effort was to never govern by omnibus.
00:23:14.380Yes, this was a promise that we made to our constituents back home, and we have to go home and look them in the eye if something like that comes up.
00:23:20.900And so absolutely, that is something that we will do anything and everything to prevent.
00:23:25.180And you guys are planning that because we're 100 days away from the appropriations having to be done, right, into the Senate.
00:23:32.420It's got to happen right after the break.
00:23:33.760Now, we've gotten positive reports from our appropriators.
00:23:38.960Yeah, that there are deep cuts that they're imposing, that they're going through this stuff the way that our constitutional powers would dictate.
00:23:48.880And that work product is going to be something I think we're going to be proud of.
00:23:51.840We're going to have to negotiate with the Senate.
00:23:53.760But we can't only look that far forward.
00:23:58.320Here and now, we have to have a status of the relationship talk.
00:24:01.500Aren't you essentially using the rules as a forcing function to show the country and particularly conservatives in the country that Kevin McCarthy really governs in partnership with Hakeem Jeffries and not in partnership with the freedom, whatever it's called, the conservatives?
00:24:24.000That's not what we're trying to do here.
00:24:25.180We're using this rules process to actually represent the people back home and make their lives easier and better, give them more liberty and limit government and lower inflation, get us energy and energy secure once again.
00:24:38.200So that is what this was always about, to change the way Washington, D.C. functions, not just humiliate someone and embarrass them and belittle them.
00:24:47.820We wanted to empower Speaker McCarthy and our rules did exactly that.
00:24:52.780But unfortunately, it backfired last week.
00:24:54.800Is next Tuesday good enough? Do we have to wait an entire week to get the pistol brace bill to the floor?
00:25:01.900I think things are very fluid right now about the floor because McCarthy has to decide who's his coalition partner going to be, Hakeem Jeffries or us.
00:25:14.200The way the cartel works, he'd rather have Hakeem Jeffries.
00:25:18.520But we're going to force him into a monogamous relationship with one or the other.
00:25:23.140What we're not going to do is hang out with him for five months and then watch him go jump in the backseat with Hakeem Jeffries, you know, and sell the nation out and underwrite $4 trillion in debt.
00:25:48.280It may happen again, and it may happen without warning.
00:25:51.520And it may happen on, you know, things that are increasingly important to some of the lobbyists and funders that we think wanted that big debt deal to make the pie bigger in Washington and to make the dollar go not stretch as far in in Main Street.
00:26:07.760You're like you're like General Grant back to Lincoln.
00:26:10.680You're prepared to fight along this line if it takes all.
00:26:14.180He said, you know, they they always told Lincoln he had to get rid of Grant.
00:26:17.820He partied too much, was too much of a drunk.
00:26:19.920But, you know, he won. So I guess I guess Lincoln had Grant and I've got Matt Gaetz.
00:26:25.380Exactly. So you're prepared to fight along this line if it takes all summer.
00:26:30.200Our fight to change this town is an enduring one and we will use every tool at our disposal.
00:26:36.160And what we did in January was build a toolkit. And now we have to deploy those tools to help the country.
00:26:41.140Yes, and I'll repeat what Matt Gaetz said about Eli Crane.
00:26:45.400Eli Crane stated the only way things get done in Washington, D.C. is by force.
00:26:50.240So this is a long endurance run, and we're in for it.
00:26:54.980We did not come here to sell out our country $4 trillion at a time.
00:26:59.560We are here to improve the way we govern here.
00:27:02.980And if conservatives, if Republicans actually govern the way they campaign, we would be doing a pretty darn good job.
00:27:09.140Okay. This audience likes action, action, action. Numbers 202-225-3121. Call right now. Make sure you talk to leadership. Give them an attaboy for the 20. Also, put your representative on notice of who you want them to back.
00:27:23.000I tell you, man, this is such a powerful platform. It was Andrew Clyde's interview here on The War Room that really got this thing going with our members, with our activists. It is really something.
00:27:36.840Well, this is this audience. And by the way, that's why they love you guys. And they have your back because they love. Courage is contagious. And you guys have been courageous.
00:27:46.500And I know I've heard from a lot of posse members who've said motion to vacate in the next 20 seconds or you're not serious.
00:27:53.860And let me let me say what we're trying to show you is there are other tools at our disposal to try to bank wins for our people.
00:28:01.920And that's what it meant. What matters real quickly. Social media at Rep Mac Gates, social media.
00:33:44.740I participated in the 49th anniversary, and I will tell you the relationship between the people of Normandy and the vets, at that time we were in their 70s, was palpable.
00:34:00.120And the old vets were just wonderful to be around, to hear their stories, their sacrifice.
00:34:05.160Have we as a country lost that, lost that, what the greatest generation had?
00:34:08.580Well, we have very few that do it. But I will tell you the men and women that went to Afghanistan and Iraq and Desert Storm and Iraqi freedom and into Afghanistan, they have it. The Green Berets, the SEALs who have gone on the ground, they still have it. But it's such a small percentage of our population today.
00:34:26.100I could name heroes of Afghanistan and Iraq that deserve well more.
00:34:32.720One battle, Green Berets in Afghanistan had more Silver Stars in one battle in the history of the United States
00:34:40.180until one of those Silver Stars got upgraded to the Medal of Honor.
00:35:15.320People and even people who are not maybe into the Second Amendment as others, they said you're bartering away people's constitutional rights over a man who sat there and said, hey, I don't believe this bill should come forward as it should.
00:35:36.220Take your gun rights away forever in a substantial fine.
00:35:38.880And I've never seen our audience get up and really just furious, as they called the House and the local offices.
00:35:46.960Well, it just goes to show you, as we all believed or should believe, our God-given natural rights, our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not a bargaining chip.
00:35:56.800They're not something to be dealt with in a manner that would quid pro quo or we're going to penalize you in such a way as this.
00:36:06.880That's unacceptable to the American people, and you're absolutely right.
00:36:14.360Colonel Self, you voted against the debt ceiling fiasco.
00:36:18.820Last night, Lawrence O'Donnell did an entire hour of his show on MSNBC with their negotiators.
00:36:23.620It was humiliating to have to sit there and watch it.
00:36:26.660What a terrible job leadership did on this bill.
00:36:29.160I mean, the bill is just a tissue of lives represented.
00:36:32.580What do the folks in your constituents think about giving Biden, the Biden regime, you know, what, $16 trillion to spend, but $4 trillion minimum of new debt?
00:36:51.440I voted against the rule and I voted against the bill because giving the Biden administration $4 trillion estimate, actually it's unlimited.
00:37:00.080But we'll call it $4 trillion over 19 months is well over – nobody understands a trillion dollars, but that's $210 billion every month, which is incredible.
00:37:14.620That's what we need to focus on because you know that they will try to indebt us for another $4 trillion over the next 19 months.
00:37:23.580Do you believe in voting against the rule? Let's leave aside the vote. Do you believe you made permanent enemies with leadership?
00:37:30.920No, I think we're making allies, because if you remember back, there were 20 votes on the speaker.
00:37:37.020Then we went to. No, no, no. I know you're building your base. I mean, now you're building.
00:37:41.240I mean, 73. Do you think, though, by the because the rule vote was tantamount to another speaker's vote, right?
00:37:47.640It was tantamount to another speech. Do you believe in voting against the rule and the bill itself that you've made a permanent enemy of people that don't that you wouldn't want to have as enemies?
00:37:59.340No, there are no permanent enemies in politics. Courage is contagious. Courage is contagious.
00:38:05.740And I've seen it. And we need to continue to build that. Is that what you're saying?
00:38:10.360because you started with six and the 20, and now you've got 29 or 30 and 71.
00:38:16.080And the other two that weren't there, so 73.
00:38:20.020And frankly, we've got a whole lot of citizens behind us
00:38:23.000because the firestorm that Andrew set off was he just added another log
00:38:28.760to the fire of the firestorm that was going on over the debt bill.
00:38:32.380People are getting, representatives are getting blown up in their districts
00:39:35.940Now we know from the permitting that it turns out the permitting was basically nothing.
00:39:39.460We know that because they made a mistake in the negotiation that we're actually adding 72,000 a month and they didn't realize that, that all the aspects, as terrible as it is on the top line numbers and the duration, but when we look at all the details, we got – I mean because on Lawrence O'Donnell, they're sitting there laughing at you.
00:39:56.940I mean, it's it's quite humiliating to see their negotiators just gloat about what they demanded and what they had to have and how amateurish our side was.
00:40:06.900Is that is that ever going to set right with people?
00:40:10.860I'm not going to sit here and characterize our leadership.
00:40:15.520I will say that the bill was not as advertised and I'll leave it at that.
00:40:19.080And the more people that know that, the more grassroots input to all of us on bills such as the pistol-brace bill will make a difference to change Washington.
00:40:34.180Make sure you make your calls right now.
00:40:36.020Let folks know what you think of an attaboy for people that stood up and maybe the old what-for for people who didn't.
00:40:41.920Why is this bill taking until next Tuesday?
00:40:43.980You know, we just had Gates and Boebert in here and others that have already contacted me and said, hey, no more business until the pistol breaks, because symbolically we've got to show people.
00:40:52.760Why is it going to take until next Tuesday?
00:40:54.860Well, from what I understand, the way that rules works, there's a notification requirement before something comes before rules.
00:41:01.920And so they're holding to that notification requirement.
00:41:04.280I think it's like 48 hours and then 24 hours if you're going to bring any sort of documentation there.
00:42:00.480Colonel Self, for the conference to come together and work as one, what would be your recommendation?
00:42:05.000It's obviously a lot of hard feelings, a lot of distrust.
00:42:09.100What would you recommend for bringing the conference together?
00:42:11.500We've got to get back to the tools that we gave the speaker and the conference back in January.
00:42:16.960We've got to understand that we have a narrow majority.
00:42:20.380But we saw on the Limit Save Grow Act that if we act as a conference, we can pass a strong bill.
00:42:27.520And I want us to get back to a Republican conference with strong tools that we gave the conference as a whole, certainly the Speaker.
00:42:36.320I want us to get back to that because with that, with those rules, with a united conference, we can do great things and we can change Washington.
00:42:44.560Is the conference coming together this week?
00:42:46.300Are you guys as a whole going to get together and talk this year?
00:48:30.500Michael, Seifert, when we first met you, you were just kind of some nudge tech guy that had an idea.
00:48:36.920Now you've got a company that's on fire, and you're like the third story in the Daily Mail with huge charts and graphs and exclusive Daily Mail, Public SQ.
00:48:45.320The Economist has a story that you're highlighting last week, the Daily Mail this week.
00:48:51.400The Economist says there's an alternative economy being built by conservatives where they're stopped giving money to people that hate them.
00:49:02.540For a long time, Steve, people tried to delegitimize the parallel economy.
00:49:07.680They tried to make it sound like it was just a quiet, small, minuscule movement that could never really catch traction because look how overwhelming and daunting the leftist corporate America is.
00:49:21.020And they're being proven wrong in real time.
00:49:24.000And every single one of these articles and every single one of these data points is proof of that.
00:49:27.360The American people are making it incredibly clear we're tired of woke corporate America and we're not putting up within it anymore.
00:49:34.260So not only are we boycotting, we're actually doing something even far more productive, which is moving our dollars toward companies that are America first.
00:49:41.920They love our country. They love our constitution. They are not bought in with a globalist agenda.
00:49:45.780And we know we can rely on them because they share the same values that we do.
00:49:49.740So we've, Steve, blown up in the past few weeks with the help of incredible people like you and lots of other amazing cultural leaders that are saying, guys, we have a solution here.
00:49:58.840And now they can't help but pay attention.
00:50:01.180When you're top five apps on the entire app store for over a week, you can't ignore us any longer.
00:50:06.520The American people are making it clear, and I'm really grateful that this movement is growing to heights that I even could not have anticipated at this level.
00:50:14.320So it's really exciting to watch what's happening, but we're just getting started.
00:50:18.640No, the chart that's on Daily Mail you've got of your users is incredible.
00:51:26.040this is an incredible parallel economy that is blowing up. And we're really grateful to be at
00:51:31.340the tip of the spear in this new pioneering movement. It feels, Steve, like the gold rush
00:51:35.480again. It's like people are recognizing that there's this entire unaddressed market of people
00:51:40.220that have been ignored and forgotten for far too long. There's gold out in the hills. We are
00:51:44.440heading out west to explore this new parallel economy. And I believe that ultimately this
00:51:49.380movement is going to lead to a new American renaissance era of the right type of companies
00:51:54.880prospering because they're standing with an agenda that will lead to the American way
00:52:00.180prospering for the long haul. So publicsq.com is the best place to get started.
00:52:06.760When I met Seifert a couple of years ago, he had this vision and I could tell that this is the kind
00:52:11.280of guy that could execute on that with a great app and a great platform that would be able to
00:52:16.120bring people together and create this community. It's amazing and wonderful to see you pulling it
00:52:20.140off. Michael Seifert, one more time, how do people get to this? I want this community to both build
00:52:25.980and thrive. Where do they go? Well, we do need this community to build this with us. We are very
00:52:32.360passionate, but none of this works unless the American people are with us. And so the best way
00:52:37.020you can get started to join us on this journey to build America's marketplace is publicsq.com.
00:52:42.420Publicsq.com, whether you're a consumer or a business, if you're a consumer, you're going to
00:52:45.640find tens of thousands of businesses of all different industries that'll serve your needs.
00:52:48.640And if you're a business, you're going to find a bunch of America first patriots that are absolutely thrilled to be able to support your business.
00:52:54.760So PublicSQ.com. Steve, I really appreciate it.
00:52:59.020Michael, thank you very much. And we'll get the articles. Grace and Mo will get the articles on The Economist and Daily Mail up everywhere. Amazing. Thank you very much.
00:53:08.320Also, I want to make sure go to Birchgold.com slash Bannon. Get the Debt Trap, the third in the series, the end of the dollar empire.
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00:55:23.760China has a stranglehold on us where there's a way to break that.
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00:55:32.420The FDA just declared a global shortage of medication and warned that critical antibiotics are in extreme short supply across the United States.
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