Stephen K. Bannon and Joe Scarborough join host Alex Castellanos in the War Room to discuss the rise of the far-right and its impact on domestic security and law enforcement. They discuss the role of the alt-right movement and its influence on the Trump administration.
00:09:13.020And if I were on President Trump's legal team, I would have an entire vector of discovery about absolutely every piece of paper that the federal government ever touched regarding the investigation of Hillary Clinton,
00:09:24.200the legal analysis of whether or not to bring charges.
00:09:26.860And that, I think, would serve us as an interesting factual display for any jury.
00:09:32.940And it's going to be very hard for Jack Smith to now try to keep any evidence out about the misapplication of the Espionage Act and the like,
00:09:42.000what he himself brought Hillary Clinton into this case.
00:09:44.660Walk our audience through what do you mean by that.
00:09:47.280Talk about this reference in there, why you've been so excited about it since you first saw it.
00:09:50.780Yeah, I read it, and I can't believe that what Jack Smith is using as a factual or legal basis to bring this charge is what Donald Trump said about Hillary Clinton during the presidential campaign of 2016.
00:10:04.780It is a signal that this is about politics and campaigns, and it is an incredible lack of prosecutorial discipline.
00:10:14.520When you are laying out an indictment, you want to make sure everything you lay out, you can totally prove and that it is relevant to the legal just obligations that you've got to have to maintain a charge of this kind.
00:10:29.540And so to have something so superfluous as what Donald Trump said about Hillary Clinton, it's a mistake, and it's one I think Trump's legal team can leverage.
00:10:37.440Why does that open up to bring all Hillary Clinton?
00:10:39.820Because the jury – look, I don't believe this case ever gets to a jury, but in the event that it ever did –
00:10:44.980Hang on. Don't go so fast for this audience. That's pretty big. What do you mean you don't think it will ever – today they're dancing around and they're crying crocodile tears because it's in Miami instead of D.C.
00:10:54.040What do you mean it never goes to trial?
00:10:55.160One of the basis for a motion to dismiss an indictment is where there's been extreme misconduct on the part of the government.
00:11:03.960And in this case, we already know as an undisputed factual matter that there were government prosecutors telling lawyers that they had to flip their clients against Donald Trump if they wanted a chance to go be a federal judge.
00:11:17.700That is the most extreme example of prosecutorial misconduct that I have ever seen.
00:11:22.420I've never seen an abusive – I really have never seen anything like that in my entire legal career or as an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary Committee.
00:11:30.340To literally tell someone that they have to go flip their client in order to secure a federal judgeship, I mean that alone is considerably more criminal than a dispute with the archivist over records.
00:11:42.360And so I think that this indictment will be subject to a motion to dismiss because of that abusive prosecutorial misconduct.
00:11:50.440But in the event that this got to a jury, how do you think a jury is going to react when now because of Jack Smith you can put evidence before them regarding Hillary Clinton's conduct, Donald Trump's conduct?
00:12:01.000And juries don't like when the laws are misapplied.
00:12:05.840And it's not technically a legal element of the case, but juries really, really don't like that in my experience.
00:12:12.460Could you actually see people like McCabe and Comey actually being called as witnesses to that level?
00:12:18.480Look, Jack Smith brought Hillary Clinton into this matter.
00:12:21.420That means anyone who touched anything regarding Hillary Clinton potentially could be deposed, they could be subject to the obligation to produce records, and they could even be forced to give testimony.
00:12:32.380So it was, I think, a blunder, but it's one that showcases the signal, and that is that this is election interference.
00:12:40.940We showed in this Congress how the CIA was literally using their power over their former agents and employees to try to get them to sign the letter.
00:12:52.900Exactly, to say that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
00:12:56.440And so if you've got people in the CIA right now engaged in that degree of election interference, is it hard to believe that the Department of Justice had an axe to grind as well?
00:13:05.100So now you've got, and we're jammed, the next section I've got to spend about the fight on Capitol Hill that you're leading.
00:13:10.840I've also got to get to Senator Grassley's amazing speech lesson.
00:13:14.240I've got to have you break it down for us.
00:13:20.960Well, we're going to be asking some important questions to Jack Smith.
00:13:25.680You know, it's my belief as I'm chatting with you, Steve, that we've got to understand how we pierced the attorney-client privilege in this case.
00:13:35.160I think there is a federal equity there for rigorous oversight.
00:13:38.740I mean, every single client in almost any matter, criminal or civil, has discussions with their lawyers about what documents have to be produced, what documents might be subject to some privilege, what documents you want to litigate over or separate out from the production.
00:13:54.640Oftentimes when there's a subpoena, there's a negotiation among the lawyers to in some way constrain the scope.
00:14:01.060And so these questions President Trump's asking are part and parcel with the normal course of business, what you talk to your attorney about.
00:14:07.640And then to use that as the basis to claim the crime fraud exception, the crime fraud exception is when you have your attorney like doing money laundering for you.
00:14:17.480It's when you have your lawyer – it's like the old mob stuff where the mob lawyer was kind of in on a lot of the criminal activity.
00:14:25.180And in these cases, the lawyer is answering questions about what's responsive to a subpoena, which happens every single day in America.
00:14:31.600You're not impressed with what Jack Smith put before the American people, I take it.
00:14:35.120Well, I am concerned a lot more than I'm impressed because I'm concerned about what this means for the country that we've now got the DOJ as the left's hitman.
00:14:57.800Well, Congress once again allowed itself to be pushed into appeasing the administration and raising the debt ceiling for the 79th time, paving the way for continued reckless spending and further devaluation of the U.S. dollar.
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00:19:59.200Okay, we had to do Joe Walsh and Charlie Dent losing it.
00:20:04.460By the way, we've got audio problems in Miami.
00:20:05.980We're going to fix it and get back to Natalie and Captain Bannon and Caroline Wren.
00:20:16.100I couldn't imagine that his foolishness would work on anyone.
00:20:19.740And it definitely worked on Joe Walsh.
00:20:22.020Uh, he was talking about how four-year-olds should be running mortars.
00:20:24.580You dared Borat in that thing, the longer clip, so you'll never get another, when you call him out, you'll never get another congressman to do this.
00:20:35.960He's actually right about some of his political analysis, that there isn't a constituency for Mike Pence or Nikki Haley or Tim Scott.
00:20:43.920We see President Trump continuing to grow that base in the Republican Party.
00:20:47.700And what I think the mainstream media misses is why.
00:20:51.240And it's not even sometimes the substance of policy disagreements.
00:20:54.760It's that the American people right now are on edge.
00:20:57.140They feel like this government is in existence to hurt them in a lot of ways.
00:21:02.960That this government is trying to tell their third grader to mutilate themselves, trying to tell their children that they're somehow intractably oppressed or oppressors because of their skin color.
00:21:13.420That this government is cratering the dollar by printing all of this money, spending all, spending so much, inducing inflation.
00:21:21.540And senior citizens are now more worried about outliving their money than they are.
00:21:25.880Death is the good option in Joe Biden.
00:21:28.120I see why John Fetterman is so depressed sometimes.
00:21:31.260But what President Trump understands and what I think the people who support him understand is that we've got to break through the wall here.
00:21:38.700We've got to have that energy in the executive that Alexander Hamilton talked about as central to the country.
00:22:48.880There was no question as to whether or not we could retake control of the floor at any time for any purpose.
00:22:54.820And so now what we're doing is we're getting members of Congress to file revocations of some of these national emergencies that have operated as massive slush funds.
00:23:02.700But it ghosts our head, the spirit of the case.
00:23:12.980Well, it is absolutely not performative.
00:23:15.360It will build the muscle memory of the Congress to actually get to these unauthorized programs.
00:23:19.420There are 1118 unauthorized programs in the federal government that the posse is sending money to every single day.
00:23:27.660And they're not even authorized programs.
00:23:29.380And the real way to put downward pressure on spending is not some budgetary gimmick with rescissions.
00:23:35.540The real way is to pull it up, root and branch, is to ensure that you get a lot of these entities that have never gone through the scrutiny of congressional review sitting in those committees explaining how they spend every dollar.
00:23:50.540It may take a while to fully affect that strategy, but my hope is that it will last long beyond my tenure here.
00:23:57.700I am on a mission to change this place.
00:24:00.420And January was a part of that change.
00:24:02.780But as I told you then and as I have repeated on this show, all we did in January was build a toolkit.
00:24:08.840And now we actually have to do the spade work and plow through these agencies and just deauthorize these programs that have been flush with cash for far too long.
00:24:20.040Leadership, and you've got Granger out.
00:24:21.700They're talking about she's going to authorize.
00:24:23.520What we cut the deal was, was actually the ceiling.
00:24:26.500She's talking about the floor, the appropriations process, the regular order.
00:24:38.460Let's say the authorization bills come in at, not the authorization, let's say the appropriations bills come in and they're at the 2022 levels.
00:24:50.020Isn't that performative, the Senate's going to reject that, and we're going to be jammed in that last week of September about doing a CR, a mini CR, or everything that you worry about, another Omnibus?
00:24:59.680Well, the Massey strategy, which is not one that I adhere to, but I think in fairness, you would have to say that the Massey strategy of a 99% CR would be a cut.
00:25:10.960Now, I am a critic of that because I don't believe that what we need is a horizontal cut system where we just shave a little bit off of everybody.
00:25:20.040Frankly, there are some areas like Homeland Security veterans where we might –
00:25:23.620Yes, I want the deep, vertical cuts, and I want to get rid of these programs.
00:25:31.100Well, and just taking a program and using budgetary gimmicks to make it look like you spent 1% less is a lot easier than for the big spenders, and that's why we're trying to get the vertical cuts.
00:25:41.280Have the moderates in this conference learned their lesson, the 149, about how the outrage back in their districts, or are you guys being embraced by those people, or is it outright open-range warfare now?
00:25:53.020Well, as I think you know, I'm not for everyone, but I do get about –
00:26:10.200And by the way, I just walked out of a conference meeting with my colleagues on the way to the war room, and they were yelling at me saying, oh, well, you're just doing this for outrage and fundraising.
00:26:20.040And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you all go and prostitute yourself to lobbyists for money, and you want to criticize me because hundreds of thousands of Americans all over this country give me $10, $15, $25 at MattGates.com?
00:27:13.200Okay, we have to make hard choices now.
00:27:15.600And the adults have to step up and do that.
00:27:17.920And continuing the failure theater is not something I'm going to be a part of.
00:27:21.520And if that means we have to grind this place to a halt, then so be it.
00:27:25.460But I want to move forward with the Gosar strategy, with my colleague Ken Buck's strategy.
00:27:32.200I want to make sure that when we're appropriating, we're not using funny budgetary gimmicks, but that we're getting rid of these programs that are wasteful and often weaponized.
00:27:41.660Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
00:27:46.300I would ask you to give us 10 or 15 minutes to the other side.
00:27:49.620We're going to play Grassley's speech, either the highlight reel from the beginning, Anik Gates' comment, and we're going to get Natalie Winters in here as soon as we get audio set up.
00:30:47.040Now, the document that Comer and I read had maybe two or three half-inch redactions, not all sentences redacted, as I'm told the document in the SCIF is.
00:31:04.460So, Director Wray placed redactions on a document that's already unclassified, as I've said before, unclassified.
00:31:17.980More than that, the FBI made Congress review a redacted, unclassified document in a classified facility.
00:31:29.960That goes to show you the disrespect that the FBI has for Congress.
00:31:39.320On a previous time on this Senate floor, I think I told my fellow senators that what's so unusual about an unclassified document being given to the public,
00:31:54.180when, I think it was May the 18th of this year, there was leaked to the New York Times a classified document and even the name of a confidential human source.
00:32:13.620So, we're kind of in a strange situation here.
00:32:21.180Classified document can be leaked to the New York Times, but a non-classified document can't be made public to 300 million Americans if they're interested in reading it.
00:32:34.760Now, accordingly, Congress still lacks a full and complete picture with respect to what that document really says.
00:32:45.240That's why it's important that the document be made public without unnecessary redactions for the American people to see.
00:32:54.940Can you believe redacting an unclassified document?
00:33:03.400So now, let me assist for the purposes of more transparency on this subject.
00:33:09.080The 1023 produced to the House Committee's redacted reference that the foreign national who allegedly bribed Joe and Hunter Biden allegedly has audio recordings of his conversation with them.
00:33:32.940According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses 15 audio recordings of phone calls between him and then Vice President Joe Biden.
00:33:56.660These recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case that he got into a tight spot.
00:34:07.060The 1023 also indicates that then Vice President Joe Biden may have been involved in Burma, employing Hunter Biden.
00:34:17.020Based on the facts known to the Congress and the public, it's clear that the Justice Department, the FBI, haven't nearly had the same laser focus on the Biden family.
00:34:33.980Special Counsel Jack Smith has used a recording against former President Trump.
00:34:40.380Well, what is U.S. Attorney Weiss doing with respect to these alleged Joe and Hunter Biden recordings that are apparently relevant to the high-stakes bribery scheme?
00:34:57.180Getting a full and complete 1023 is critical for the American people to know and understand the true nature of the document and to hold the Justice Department and the FBI accountable.
00:35:12.940It's also important for asserting constitutional, constitutional, congressional oversight powers against an out-of-control executive branch, obviously drunk with political infection.
00:35:31.180Remember, Congress has received 1023s in the past, and they've been made public.
00:35:38.580So asking for this 1023 to be turned over to the American people to read is not an unusual thing that goes on with 1023s.
00:35:51.780Congress owes it to the American people and the brave and heroic whistleblowers to continue to fight for transparency in this matter and make this document public without unnecessary redactions.
00:36:08.580And I want everybody to remember that I have read the unredacted version, except for a couple or three half-inch redactions, I'd say.
00:37:11.780It is to look for these 17 audio recordings that I knew were alleged to have existed several months ago.
00:37:20.300But not all this stuff is in the United States, is my belief.
00:37:23.440And so there's going to have to be some very serious work.
00:37:26.020We may have to take some foreign trips to go and hustle it up and ensure that we get the information necessary for our oversight.
00:37:34.040Because here's, I think, the frustration.
00:37:36.340Ray and – and we had Garrett Ziegler on yesterday about their great website.
00:37:39.680You had Ray and Barr, two Republican nominees of President Trump's, had the laptop from hell no later than one December of 19.
00:37:49.080These allegations come out of Rudy's putting forward to a U.S. attorney at Bill Barr's request in Pittsburgh in a 100-page report in January of 2020.
00:38:12.460And no one pays a bribe without getting a deliverable.
00:38:15.260And we already know the deliverable happened.
00:38:17.020It was the firing of a prosecutor that the bribe payers wanted fired.
00:38:21.380The other question, which is very important to the country, no less important than Joe Biden being compromised, is whether or not our national security apparatus is compromised.
00:38:30.960It's the effort to take this 1023 that came in from truly one of the best sources that the FBI has, someone who has initiated hundreds of cases that led to real prosecutions.
00:38:43.240So the opposite of Christopher Steele.
00:38:45.420This is one of the best sources in the FBI that brought this information forward, and then it was rat-holed.
00:38:50.440And it was rat-holed because there are special teams of people at the FBI task forces whose entire job it is to go and find any derogatory information about the Bidens and label it as foreign disinformation.
00:39:02.840It's the same op that they were running on the outside with the 51 siding the Hunter Biden level.
00:39:09.760They have a parallel op that they run on the inside to try to discredit and shelve important information that federal law enforcement and the Congress should be able to review.
00:39:19.980Okay, how is this going to come together in this – you guys are fighting each other.
00:39:25.020One of the reasons that you're saying in the 20, you're saying we're not being aggressive enough, not that you want to get over your skis.
00:39:32.500Let me just be blunt about this, okay?
00:39:34.800For all the people who are saying, Gates, why haven't you moved to vacate in like the last 20 minutes?
00:39:41.060The answer is a motion to vacate would end the oversight agenda.
00:39:52.180Look, if we moved to vacate, McCarthy would immediately go cut a deal with Hakeem, and the key feature of that deal would be Hakeem Jeffries would have veto power over any subpoena we would send out to get these recordings, to get this information.
00:40:05.440And as mad and frustrated as we all are at the speaker over this debt limit deal, this oversight work ahead is going to define whether or not we lose the country or not.
00:40:16.320And while we've got to have a simultaneous strategy in place to put downward pressure on spending, and I've laid that out, we cannot take the eye off the ball when it comes to the first family being compromised and our own federal law enforcement functioning as their plumbers.
00:40:31.520Walk me through, then, how do you pull this together, given the fight you guys are having every day?
00:40:36.960Next week you're saying, hey, we're taking the floor back.
00:40:40.060Until we get a fully negotiated new deal, walk us through how this proceeds.
00:40:44.940Well, I think these things have to proceed in parallel.
00:40:49.340You've got to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
00:40:51.340Look, we are in a state of financial crisis in this country with the dollar and just what you described about how the deficits are going to be bigger than they ever anticipated.
00:41:02.640One of the things we got in Limit Save Grow was that it was a date or a dollar amount to trigger the debt limit again.
00:41:14.880And we'd have another chance to win another spending fight.
00:41:17.180But now we have to use the other tools in the toolbox, right, the tools we developed in January, whether it's zeroing out the salaries of bureaucrats or using points of order against any type of omnibus that would come to the floor.
00:41:29.380We can't allow Washington to function as usual.
00:41:31.740But by God, I want to pick up on this work that Senator Grassley and his phenomenal team have done.
00:41:36.180I want to make sure that we run down every one of these leads that the FBI was unwilling to run down.
00:41:44.520I know you've got to bounce because you hear a lot of rhetoric thrown around a lot.
00:41:48.020But Grassley is a very serious person.
00:41:49.840And I tell people all the time, you're very serious, particularly when you look at things, the reality of it.
00:41:54.300How deep a problem do we have with the administrative and deep state now that you're finding more and more information about this situation?
00:42:00.440Well, I mean, this was truly the great win of the Obama Holder administration.
00:42:06.060The great win of the Obama administration is that they were able to vertically integrate some of the smartest operatives that they had in the movement on the left into these positions of power where they count the votes and they decide who the handcuffs go on.
00:42:22.000And once you kind of control who counts the votes and who puts the handcuffs on people and can charge people, a lot of the senators, congressmen, governors, that becomes a mirage of power.
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00:50:52.180I recognize one of the ladies from Washington, D.C.
00:50:54.860She's out there screaming all kinds of nonsense.
00:50:57.200But right now, they're all intermingled.
00:50:59.240The one thing, the one concern I have and a lot of people have is Antifa and BLM have said that they're going to come out and do what they do,
00:51:07.660which is violence, which is what they did for four years under President Trump, which is terrorize.
00:51:12.060And so I anticipate if that ends up happening, the police will end up separating it.
00:51:16.720Right now, there's some yelling back and forth.
00:51:18.680But for the most part, it's there's no violence.
00:51:21.160So it's, you know, we're just people are heated.
00:51:23.660But this is a media scrum like I've never seen before.
00:51:26.660It goes all the way down around the building.
00:51:29.280There's more media here than I've ever seen.
00:51:42.500So Captain Bannon and Natalie, our anchors, are moving around.
00:51:46.540We've also got Caroline Wren is there for the war room.
00:51:50.640And, of course, Ben Berquam, our investigative reporter.
00:51:53.340What I see so far, I'm not crazy about.
00:51:56.280And this is one of my observations yesterday.
00:51:59.640If you're asking for trouble, you let these two groups get together because the never Trump, the anti-Trump, Antifa, BLM are violent people.
00:52:10.760And they're always there to get in people's faces.
00:52:12.800They're always there to try to pick fights.
00:52:14.780And I'm just an observer here anchoring in Washington, D.C.
00:52:18.420But I've got to tell you, I'm not enthusiastic about what I'm seeing down there on the crowd control.
00:52:23.160I think that we're just asking for problems.
00:52:25.960And what we don't want today is problems, this thing we want to get in and out of.
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