Episode 2831： The Mutiny In Russia
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Summary
Vladimir Putin accuses the leader of the Wagner mercenary group, Evgeny Purgosyan, of treason after he claimed his troops had taken control of military facilities in the Russian cities of Voronezh and Rostov, and vowed to punish any armed rebellion in Russia.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
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the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
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like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people
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had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my
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country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band
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our president vladimir putin is facing a critical moment a truly critical moment
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after the leader of the wagner mercenary group evgeny purgosyan a longtime ally of the kremlin
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claimed his troops had taken control of military facilities in the russian cities of voronezh and
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rostov and on putin has accused him of treason and vowed to punish any armed rebellion and says
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any internal turmoil in russia is a deadly threat to its statehood evgeny purgosyan rose to prominence
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as a close ally of vladimir putin and now he's leading what putin says is a rebellion against him
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want to go to our senior international correspondent fred pleitkin fred give us a better sense of who
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purgosyan is well he's a very important man or has been at least a very important man for vladimir
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putin and certainly someone who has risen among the ranks thanks to vladimir putin who's been given
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a lot of power by vladimir putin but who has also done a lot for vladimir putin along the way and one
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of the things that we always have to mention wolf is that evgeny purgosyan came from very humble
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beginnings he was in jail for a considerable period of time in the 80s and then started off in the 90s
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selling hot dogs at a hot dog stand and then at some point became known as putin's chef putin's
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caterer he was seen giving food to vladimir putin at various events and then managed to build an
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empire also largely thanks to vladimir putin on top of that and that's when of course he got involved
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in things like the internet research agency with some of that propaganda work he was doing the u.s
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saying that he played a big part meddling in the 2016 election of course was sanctioned and indicted for
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that as well and then you have the wagner private military company which is sort of one of the things
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that he also took on there and this is something wolf that you know we in our work internationally
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have been confronted with over the past couple of years if you look at for instance syria around
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2014 2015 where we would go around syria and you would already see people from the wagner private
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military company at that point still doing things like base protection for the russians who were down
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on the ground in syria that then of course evolved into more and more of a combat role but then also
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doing shady economic dealings for vladimir putin as well in syria for instance with the oil wells that
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the russians and the syrian regime took there but then also in africa dealing with gems also training
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african military forces but it really wasn't wolf until the war in ukraine or the full-on war in
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ukraine where wagner went from essentially being a paramilitary company to being a full-on military to
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being essentially a full-on army and evgeny prigorshan himself says he believes that right now
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this is the strongest army that russia has and you know even sort of boasting that it's allegedly one
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of the strongest in the world and and and again it was something that we've seen on the ground all of
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us who for instance were in the battle of bakhmud in eastern ukraine you know many people came under
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heavy shelling by those wagner operatives who all of a sudden had tanks who had large artillery stocks
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were shooting a lot of artillery shells as well and of course wolf also using prisoners who they
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recruited out of russian jails to then essentially be used as cannon fodder on the front line so
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someone with a lot of brutal tactics but also someone who now has a large army at his disposal
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which apparently now has turned on vladimir putin wolf okay saturday 24 june year of our lord 2023
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which side do the generals choose who controls the nukes what happens as uh quite frankly the main
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line uh mercenary troops are pulled out of uh the donbass which has stopped the uh the ukrainian
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uh spring offensive in his tracks uh we're fully loaded today we got posobic uh l todd woods uh harnwell
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from rome we got john mills uh sam fattus from the cia also trying to track down the one and only eric
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prints to get it all in plus we got a lot of other news there's so much stuff breaking on the
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biden crime family sequoia capital all of it and capital markets for dave brad's going to join us
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a little later let's go to jack posobic uh first uh jack give us your assessment you and i've talked
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throughout the night uh obviously yesterday about you know because remember you got to always watch
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the kabuki theater when you're talking about these criminal elements like the kgb and the in the
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military in uh in russia just like in the ccp uh is this uh is uh is the wagner group doing xenophon's
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march up country you know a group of mercenaries that get sold out as xenophon did you know with
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the persians what 2 000 years ago and then the march back home is that what we're seeing here is
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this something uh is this really a coup sir well of course in this case they're marching from the sea
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to inland so i guess it would be the xenophon's march in resort in in reverse not the sea not the
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sea i suppose would be the the uh the the titular line but you know this this appears this has all
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the markings of a suicide run uh this guy actually thinks that he's going to make it all the way up
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to moscow and and steve we have to be clear progosian has been making insubordinate comments
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for weeks if not months publicly about the ministry of defense now he's always careful not to come out
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and criticize putin directly but he certainly has had a long-standing very public feud with shoigu the
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minister of offense uh grasimov who's one of the deputies there one of the generals and so this is
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something steve that no other military in the world would allow a commander someone down in the
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chain of command to be speaking publicly this way about the top leaders you simply couldn't allow it
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uh when this happened with macarthur and truman but is it but hang on but hang on but hang on
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but hang on but hang on they haven't ran to the 60s yeah but they have it yes they have a different
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command structure though but isn't it true that his mercenaries have taken the brunt and i'm not saying
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the russian you know relatively untrained recruits are getting hammered but his mercenaries the 25,000
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have stood in the breach here and he's take unlike other generals he's taking care of these guys i
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mean he's got he's got some capital built up with these troops and the big news to me is he took him
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out of the main line in donbass and marched to rostov which is a couple hundred miles away and about a
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thousand miles what from moscow but he took him out but he does have credibility let me just give you
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his quote jack respond to this his quote is this is not a military coup this is a march for justice
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the president that would be putin makes a deep mistake when he talks about treason we are patriots
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of our motherland we fought and are fighting for it does he make a pretty strong case that the wagner
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group uh has really been the most competent of all and have really been at the tip of the spear of
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stopping uh the allies and uh in ukraine's uh ukraine's fight in the donbass sir well steve that's right
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and and what i want to be clear is that i'm i was referring to the build-up to this situation now
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over the last just 12 hours uh he's made this move on rostov surrounding the military headquarters
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there in the south of course rostov being a key resupply point for this crime when they're talking
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about the land bridge to crimea it's a land bridge to rostov that's the point that's where this
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this all ends up key resupply for all of the russian forces now putin has come out after it looks
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like they were trying to do there was a stunning video just a stunning video where prigozian actually
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walks into the courtyard and meets the generals in public nobody drawing weapons nobody firing at him
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no shots fired in this video he sits down with generals who appear to have been appointed by someone
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in the russian high command to go and speak with him uh that conversation obviously doesn't go well
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putin then comes out and declares this essentially to be akin to treason and essentially says
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there will be no mercy for traitors but but but hang on the buried lead there is
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the generals here maybe have the power that that video you're talking about and and what
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people are are discussing is that he wasn't put under arrest they there wasn't a strong military
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punch back and the generals look like they're hearing his argument it's undecided whether those
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it's up in the air whether whose side these generals are on particularly in the south am i incorrect in that
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well steve of course the question is were they following orders we've seen this with russia
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before when they've negotiated with terrorists usually they'll take uh the first 24 the first
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48 hours they'll attempt to find some kind of peaceful resolution and then immediately after that
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they will respond with severe force and so uh i i post put a post up on on twitter and getter just
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now that if this guy uh thinks he's actually going to make it all the way up to moskva he's going to be
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completely carpet bond from the sky very quickly in terms of this uh the idea that you're going to
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make a run during a war and putin of course uh brought up that this is akin to 1917 and and
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bringing up the original bolshevik revolution the october revolution that led to the creation of the
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soviet union that knocked um the imperial russia knocked the czar out uh obviously the czar's family
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was murdered out in the woods and then this knocked russia out of world war one and set up the most
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bloody regime in human history uh so the idea that he's does it does it doesn't doesn't he want it
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doesn't he yeah but doesn't he want this is the uncertain nature of this and and remember these are
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criminal elements both in both in beijing in tehran with the mullahs in pakistan now with the isi
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in turkey with erdogan you know throughout the gulf and particularly in moscow with the kgb where we
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kind of abandoned the russian people for the second time back in uh 89 and allowed the kgb really to
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stay in charge the criminal elements doesn't he want to draw the fire of putin and show the nation
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that he's got these brave 25 000 mercenaries that have in bad hombres but they've done a pretty good
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job i mean they took bakhmut right not not not the volunteers they took bakhmut does they want to
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show the nation and the world that putin's out of control and going to come in and attack arguably
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the bravest soldiers they've had on the front line how would that play what how would the generals
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decide remember it yeah go ahead that's one of the big questions here because right now the only person
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that i've seen publicly supporting uh supporting purgosian of course is zielinski the president of ukraine
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he's the only person that's out there publicly erdogan says he's had a good call with putin
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uh iran has come out supporting putin of course china has been quite silent in terms of all this
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obviously this is a huge blow to the stability of the rise of bricks so i would imagine by the way
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that uh over there in the u.s embassy the cia was calling up every single possible group they could
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think of last night and to come forward and say all right this is our chance deploy out to moscow get do
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whatever you can guys get there and uh and blow up because even if they're not necessarily you know
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there's some some internet rumors that purgosian is doing this uh at the behest of the cia and i
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don't know if that's really worn out but uh clearly clearly this is one of the most crucial points of
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stability for putin's regime at this time now steve to your question though about 25 000 loyal
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mercenaries behind purgosian i haven't seen 25 000 i've seen maybe at most if you put all of the
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videos together and obviously take that with a grain of salt because i'm sure there's a lot of
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fakes that are that are put in not to mention that original video of this supposed alleged airstrike
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that took place he looks like he's maybe got a thousand guys and we're already hearing reports
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that these guys weren't told that they were going to be marching on rostov they were being told that
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this was a you know a regular troop movement that they're on the way for r&r you know this was you
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know this was uh you know redeployment internally they had no clue what the leadership was doing and so
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in that first 24 hours really just 12 hours of confusion there was a lot that went down so the
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idea that he's got 25 000 that are willing to do this i think that's a hard sell and keep in mind
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that people haven't pointed out that there are still wagner uh emplacements within syria throughout
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africa where this group has been used so there are potentially a number of options on the back end of
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this to see whether or not this group could be broken up reconstituted renamed obviously they've been
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used to great effect and for many of these african regimes uh huge played a massive role in the syrian
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war yeah one could one could argue that the best use of american money would have been to pay uh this
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guy who i'm sure uh is a guy that that might take uh might take a high bid to take him off the front
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line because the the the the the fundamental news is that they were front line around bak moot the
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spring offensive is ground down i've heard from democrats in capitol hill that if there's not
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significant achievement in this spring offensive they're not even going to support uh another mass
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cash infusion from the united states and we know that the maga the mag yeah we got 30 seconds jack
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can you hang through the break i can i can yeah just hang with me okay we're gonna keep jack so we
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got l todd woods his uh site has some tremendous incredible footage up ben hernwell in rome sam
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faddis is going to join us uh colonel mills we're pretty packed here as we try to get to the bottom
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of exactly what is going on in russia where do the generals and the arabians come out who controls the
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new to remember when the russians flipping this stuff like on the czar you know when the generals
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make a decision yeah sometimes it doesn't play too well for whoever's in charge next in the war room
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okay welcome back uh i want to bring in l todd wood uh first of all hey jack real quickly before i go to
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todd and jackson hang around for this segment uh do you buy i mean that the what initiated this
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supposedly was with this fight between him and the generals and his trashing the russian military
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particularly the high command all the time that they they did an airstrike on him and killed a bunch
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of his guys do you buy that have you seen any evidence of that that you can point to or do you buy it
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i mean steve that that video was very suspect to begin with again you don't see any uh any dead bodies
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in that video you see some trees that are knocked over a crater and look if if the russian high
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command actually felt like they wanted to take out uh precociation they have a number of options that
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don't involve airstrikes i mean you just you know you pay some kid to go up and go uh uh go archduke
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ferdinand on him basically or yeah shoot him in the head at night and when he's sleeping um let's bring
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in l todd wood todd you've got a site tell people about the site they can go to todd to get all this
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information you've got a site that specializes in this where do people go yeah look we've had
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czarism.com up for since 2015 i've lived in kiev i was a national security columnist for the
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washington times uh i i've spent a lot of time in eastern europe and russia czarism is our site
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that's been up for a while now it's grown into a global uh really uh empire with about 12 sites
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cdm.press is the main one you can find everything there but look what people but you also aren't you
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you're a special you're you're you're you're a special forces pilot in this area right
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yeah i flew uh st seal team six and and delta around for years uh for the 20th special operations
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squadron so um back in the day did you ever do any did you ever do any mercenary did you ever do
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any mercenary work like uh like the wagner group that type of stuff eric prince type stuff but i was
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back during the yugoslav war you know the gulf war one that period um but you know we were running
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missions uh globally what uh tell me what your thoughts on this you you because you've got a
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pretty good site are you are you buying the fact that this is really an armed insurrection by these
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by this mercenary group what what people need to understand is that this is a uh these people are
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not fighting for god and country right i mean they're fighting for the the money the beautiful
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women and what they call the power these are the fsb i'm being told aligned with possibly wagner
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uh fighting the ministry of defense for resources and criminal activity and and money there i'm being
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told that wagner wagner wasn't paid and that they're pissed off these are battle-hardened troops
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the national guard around moscow is is is weak i mean putin put it together years ago but it's it's
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civilian forces essentially with uniforms on they're not that well trained wagner is well trained they're
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battle-hardened they're bloodied you know it's the fog of war but what what people need to understand
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also is that the russian military this part of the world doesn't give a damn about human life i mean
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this is they've been invaded for 2 000 years so they they respect the strong man and the russian
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military really hasn't taken care of its people but brigozian has to talk about that for a second
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about how he's but that's essentially what you're saying this is bloods versus the crypts fsb is the
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kgb it's kgb wagner versus the military but it's basically gangs in new york this is this is bloods
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versus crips to and i keep telling people the ccp is the same way right they got these factions these
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are gangs these are criminal they're criminal mullahs in persia in erdogan in turkey in pakistan
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in this new alliance this new axis of evil are all criminal gangs right from beijing beijing's the
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don that's don corleone right and you got these others and that's why it's so humiliating for for
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putin have to go on tv but you're essentially saying this is gang warfare right yeah and then you've
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also got another layer you got the biden crime family which is another gang fighting for resources
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and access to ukraine where they can do anything they want run info ops against the u.s etc so this
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is why ukraine is so important to the to all of these you know power centers but uh i i don't know
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how big this force is i know that the the roads around moscow are blocked people are trying to get
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out of the city the flights are sold out uh but there is allegedly fighting on the roads there's
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allegedly surrenders from the national guard to prigozhin's troops as they move forward so where
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he is you know mi6 is reporting two three hours outside of moscow i don't know if that's possible
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but that's what we're seeing so uh it's definitely yeah ben carnival correct me it's a thousand
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kilometers i think todd hanger for one second poso uh in fact if we can do this in a uh in a in a in a
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grab you know boom everybody on the screen poso um getting fancy here in the war room on a saturday
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morning poso your thoughts is this game is this is this bloods versus crips brother well there's
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certainly an element of that i would also point out just for all of the mainstream media i'm sure
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that's watching by the way guys uh and nancy pelosi this is what a real armed insurrection looks like
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as opposed to uh some of the ones that you guys have been trying to throw around that president trump
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was involved no this is a real armed insurrection now as far as the actual uh forces involved the
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numbers involved whether or not people i've had that once wagner once those guys understand what
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they're actually up against right now and a lot of this really does fall down to prigozhin this guy
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he's he's very independently wealthy over the past eight or so ten eight to ten years of warfare he's
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extremely personally wealthy uh it looks like they just confiscated a bunch of this money up in saint
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petersburg that they claimed that prigozhin himself has admitted was going to be paid out
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to the wagner troops the wagner forces obviously we're hugely in the fog of war here we have no clue
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specifically what's going on there's pictures of uh they're saying this is a helicopter that's taking
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down other people are saying no it's flares um these these stunning images out of rostov of tanks
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with the ubiquitous um typically you'd see a white z on the tank for representing russian forces
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now you're seeing red z's that have been painted on them but at the same time in these videos out
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of rostov as i said before you don't see um you don't see anyone firing steve they've got them if
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they i don't know if they can zoom in on any of these videos but they've got the uh the muzzle
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covers on these tanks they still have their muzzle covers on so this doesn't look it's it's intended as
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a show of force but the question as to whether or not these guys are actually going to pull the trigger
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on yeah their own countrymen has this is my point the generals okay did all every one of these
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generals in the russian army they got the bank accounts in cyprus they got the bank accounts in
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malta the mexican these guys have been skimming money the whole area this is what i keep saying
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it's not our fight you know patten didn't montgomery i know nobody would ever go into this part of the
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world these are there's this two slavic nations slugging it out down in ukraine and now you're in the
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middle of this and keep saying just going to matassa every one of these russian generals totally
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corrupt when you talk about their troops about the weapons they thought they had and the food
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they thought they had they're skimming a half of that and taking and putting their bank account in
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malta and cyprus but just like when the czar fell just like when when uh when they felt when the
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berlin wall came down in 89 when gorbachev and those guys when the bolsheviks got got tossed
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it's which way the generals and the kgb and security forces they all say hey what's in my interest
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putin's not this is not a lock for putin right because it's it's gangs in new york it's bloods
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versus crips and you got the information war part of this is just as big as anything but the generals
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what i find shocking it in it it helped me out here jack they didn't really put up a big defense
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in rostov he said he was going and he went and he was greeted at least what you see on video
00:24:23.820
they look like they're gonna have a cup of coffee and hear the guy out right
00:24:26.740
i mean they're having parties people are getting married in rostov right now
00:24:31.340
out in front of the troops i mean it's it's hilarious
00:24:33.780
well this is my point just so but so big what are you what are you seeing fighters well here here's
00:24:39.580
something people need to understand all right that for for anyone who thinks that if putin is gone
00:24:45.820
that means that russia is going to turn into some pacifist liberal open up with the western order
00:24:52.180
sort of state do you really think that if there's a military coup inside of russia that they're
00:24:58.200
using a thug like krogosian as their tool to put themselves the savlaki in power that look these guys
00:25:05.480
that are supporting them they're saying putin's too soft they're saying that he's not going hard
00:25:09.620
they want you to use you get to my point you you you get to my point this is all that you know
00:25:16.340
they're all skipping around they want it they want a regime change on putin from day one
00:25:20.080
is he the worst criminal they got i mean a lot of these guys are saying hey we've played two
00:25:24.380
patty cake down in ukraine and we haven't taken care i don't think they're going to have a pride
00:25:28.600
parade are they looking for a pride parade uh before they get into moscow is that what these
00:25:32.940
guys are looking for uh steve i mean if there if there's going to be a parade it's going to be a
00:25:38.940
parade of every single general and leader they think was too liberal was too soft again there are
00:25:44.380
people inside the russian the kremlin they have their own military uh industrial complex as
00:25:50.040
well and there are good generals within the kremlin the hardliners who have wanted to glass
00:25:54.000
kiev since day one since day one and those guys view progosian as an opportunity potentially to go
00:26:02.120
harder on everything that's going inside ukraine so this idea that it's going to lead that this
00:26:06.680
instability within russia is somehow good for ukraine good for europe ultimately good for the world i think
00:26:11.940
it is ridiculous i think it is short-sighted i think it is very very foolhardy hey steve one point
00:26:17.560
last last thing before i leave the only guy todd hang on one second todd hang on todd hang on i'm
00:26:23.200
gonna lose jack here for a second let me just get to jack jack who do you think controls who do you
00:26:27.340
think controls the uh the nukes i mean isn't that the big thing here but who controls the nuclear
00:26:32.220
weapons right now well you know an interesting thought that occurs to me is that putin just moved
00:26:37.240
nuclear weapons out to belarus where of course jack forsovic died losing
00:26:41.160
hey todd yeah okay just feedback okay jack forsovic can you hear me yeah here you're five by five
00:26:56.180
okay yeah who do you think who do you think controls the nukes right now i mean look steve uh belarus of
00:27:03.740
course just received nuclear weapons from russia lukashenko is very much in uh indebted to vladimir
00:27:10.360
putin for sticking by him through the troubles over the last couple of years so the idea that
00:27:15.100
putin has lost control of the nukes i think is very short-sighted i don't think that's i don't
00:27:20.660
think that's a legitimate inquiry at this point i think that eventually what comes down here
00:27:25.260
is that uh putin essentially just like erdogan in 2016 with a failed coup attempt emerges stronger
00:27:31.980
emerges more in control i think that's eventually what you're going to see here i think this is half
00:27:36.440
baked i think it's suicidal and i think that if any threat comes to those nuclear forces negotiations
00:27:42.560
are off and they will be shown no mercy uh jack forsovic how do people follow you on social media
00:27:48.940
because today's a day you should follow brother posobic yeah we're going to be throwing it down
00:27:53.960
of course uh telegram truth uh the the show is human events 2 p.m every day we've got all the receipts
00:28:00.380
that we're knocking down every day and look i'm talking to folks in the region i'm talking to people
00:28:04.220
that just got out of there trying to see everything that's going down thanks jack thanks for taking
00:28:10.280
time away today okay we got todd woods is going to stick with us harnwell in rome sam fattis from the
00:28:15.920
cia colonel amils is going to jump in didn't even time to get to jack the uh the identity of the uh
00:28:23.980
of the text messages on whatsapp from hunter biden to a senior ccp official pretty damning all next in
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the fog of war the fog of war you're in the middle of it now an information war it looks like a shooting
00:30:16.640
may be some shooting activity between criminal elements uh that are in control of russia uh for
00:30:23.440
the russian people um we're always with you uh make sure that you keep your head down because
00:30:29.160
it's going to get i think gnarly there todd wood there's all kind of stuff breaking on twitter and
00:30:34.060
other sources that you have that say that talk to me about this um this is it is it an airborne brigade
00:30:41.800
a russian army airborne brigade that may have uh thrown in with uh the wagner group
00:30:47.540
yeah we're being told and of course it's hard to confirm but uh the 217 airborne brigade of the
00:30:54.200
russian army has allegedly joined and surrendered to wagner and joined their forces as they approach
00:30:59.880
the capital city uh we're being told a third helicopter has been shot down and that chechen
00:31:04.980
troops are moving towards rostov in order to help the fight and help restore order for the russian
00:31:11.600
for the kremlin so you know these are reports we're getting yes it's the fog of war one point i want to
00:31:17.760
make is the only guy who's whacked four or five hundred of these wagner guys in one night was donald john
00:31:22.940
trump in syria when they decided they were going to approach a uh an american position in syria he sent ac
00:31:30.720
130s and it waxed them overnight that's a very unreported story and uh but the only guy who has
00:31:36.700
real success against these guys is trump yeah give me that again because and take that from the top
00:31:43.940
that is probably the most unreported of all the quote-unquote fight against isis and and and president
00:31:49.800
trump standing up to putin nobody ever talks about the time he sent the uh he sent the the people should
00:31:56.860
know those are the massive gunships right they can stay over can basically stay over target and just
00:32:02.120
unload on you right it's like hell on earth talk to me about that but how what trump did
00:32:07.040
well you know i used to fly for afsock i was a helicopter guy but these ac-130s are are brutal they
00:32:13.120
have you know small cannon and then how it 105 millimeter howitzers in addition to other weapons and
00:32:18.700
they just fly in a circle and just destroy anything underneath them and in syria there was american
00:32:24.940
positions special forces positions near some of the wells and they saw a large force approaching
00:32:29.360
them they uh my reports were they called moscow and said are these your people and putin said no
00:32:34.960
and so trump sent in four or five you know sent in the ac-130s at night and just destroyed four to
00:32:41.180
five hundred wagner uh mercenaries in in a couple of minutes and so you know this so the putin not
00:32:48.380
sticking up for wagner uh is is is a long-standing problem simmering in russia and this could be
00:32:55.200
related to that talk to us about wagner and when you say these mercenaries is that you know people
00:33:01.520
out of jail he he is unique and when you look at this war in ukraine and correct me if i'm wrong
00:33:08.080
he looks like he does take care of these troops better the the the russian troops in the regular army
00:33:14.040
or it looks like nothing more than cannon fodder he does look like he takes care of these troops
00:33:18.480
to talk about these gangs and these in these criminal elements and these mercenaries what are
00:33:23.060
they like how are they motivated uh how does he keep them together well it's leadership to be honest i
00:33:31.900
mean you know i talked to a source in moscow yesterday and this person was telling me i used to
00:33:37.520
think uh pregozin was was was an idiot and dumb and stupid but i listened to him and he's he's very
00:33:43.520
intelligent and he makes a lot of sense so this is what's floating around moscow right now and he did
00:33:49.400
go to the prisons he opens up the prisons he recruits guys and says if you survive you can you
00:33:54.320
know have your freedom back so when you're talking to a murderer who's there for life and these are
00:33:58.680
russian prisons they're not nice places they're not the gulag but they're not nice places and so when
00:34:03.900
you give that guy an opportunity he's going to be loyal to you and then if you take care of him and
00:34:08.740
make sure he gets weapons and they see you standing up to the kremlin demanding ammunition and more
00:34:13.740
support and sticking up for you then you're going to support him even more so this is the force
00:34:18.000
that is you know possibly fighting uh the the russian army which are conscripts if you go back to
00:34:24.240
kursk in the battles in world war ii that they cared nothing about human life it means nothing
00:34:28.520
it's it's like a dime on the street and so for them to send a wave of young boys into battle and
00:34:34.600
just see how they do and if they come back they shoot them anyway i mean this is what the mentality
00:34:39.240
of the russian you know command is and so when you have a guy who's actually taking care of his people
00:34:44.480
you know they're dying but they're fighting and for their their own personal freedom i mean they're
00:34:49.420
going to be loyal to this guy so this is what is approaching russia you know the kremlin at this point
00:34:54.260
uh talk to us the last thing about the about the what way the generals uh turn here who do they back
00:35:02.560
how important is this over the next 72 hours and particularly who actually controls the nuclear
00:35:09.020
weapons the tactical nuclear weapons uh in this region sir i i think putin's obviously still has
00:35:15.320
control of the weapons um but another thing is you know why would you what what evidence what
00:35:21.220
evidence do you have to show that i don't have evidence it's just an educated you know what i
00:35:27.400
think uh but i i don't think he's let go of the nuclear weapons uh i don't see any evidence of that
00:35:33.280
at all i think the russian ministry of defense still has control of that and uh you know so that is a
00:35:38.980
whole separate question but essentially this this is the fog of war and i don't know how this is going
00:35:45.600
to go down but it's going to be really interesting to watch the chechens moving to help putin
00:35:49.840
is a big sign to me that they may be a little bit worried i mean this is you know putin has set up
00:35:54.800
kudurov down in chechnya for a long time and paid him money to be loyal to him and these are fierce
00:35:59.940
fighters and uh he needs their help when you say a little bit worried what putin that was humiliating
00:36:06.780
for particularly when you see the ccps their biggest you know the partner that funds them and
00:36:11.080
there's a report out yesterday that i think in 59 different technologies that were banned the ccps
00:36:16.340
providing them military direct military aid for putin have to go on tv and make this humiliating
00:36:22.640
very angry that this guy's treason and i'm going to stop him that in and of itself is a massive loss
00:36:28.280
of face that for him to have to go kind of try to convince the nation right so isn't he plenty
00:36:33.340
worried already uh to actually before this guy forced him to go on national tv and condemn him
00:36:39.140
yeah and you have a force uh from the tsarist days where you called the apriestina which was
00:36:45.160
basically a praetorian guard around the king and this is what putin has activated around him but they
00:36:51.240
can be bought off so you know it's it's literally a chessboard right now as to who's going to maintain
00:36:59.520
control and who could possibly take control of russia these are oligarchs these are the fsb
00:37:04.200
who are in bed with the business you know it's it's a it's a kleptocracy and they're fighting for
00:37:09.760
power and money and that's all that matters russia doesn't matter it's power and money
00:37:14.120
the the given you know you hear from msnbc and all these people the unrest in in russia about this
00:37:21.260
is the perception by the russian people that that at least in the ukraine they appear to be
00:37:27.460
at least winning right now that the ukrainians uh this second of this spring offensive hasn't really
00:37:33.020
worked and as as bad as the russian performance has been they're kind of back to the old ways they
00:37:37.820
did it that they at least uh are are holding their own it doesn't like the donbass is going to be lost
00:37:42.940
didn't look like crimea until wagner left and who knows what happens now but are the oligarchs i mean
00:37:49.300
in your sense and you're reporting in your context so they have the oligarchs still got
00:37:52.980
putin's back are they as are they can be persuaded also that's the big question and you know and people
00:37:59.900
talking about russia being a threat to the west yes with their nuclear weapons but their conventional
00:38:05.080
forces can't even take the donbass right now so they're not a threat to nato conventionally
00:38:09.240
uh but who's going to maintain control is the big question i don't i can't answer that obviously we'll
00:38:15.140
we'll wait to see but uh the russian people have been motivated by the propaganda machine in in moscow and
00:38:22.820
elsewhere a lot of you know young boys left the country but a lot of them were motivated to fight
00:38:26.340
uh if you can break that patina of you know god and country that putin personifies uh then you
00:38:34.020
know that will be bad for him but as far as i can tell the russians are just like what's going on
00:38:38.860
they're trying to get out you know russians are very good at survival that's an art form over there
00:38:43.160
and they're and they're trying to just survive this and see what happens
00:38:46.280
todd your sights are terrific where do people go to to get stay up to date and everything is going on
00:38:53.200
in this uh it looks like uh armed rebellion over in russia right now well armedforces.press or
00:38:59.780
armedforcespress is is one of our main military sites cdm.press has everything and then czarism
00:39:05.440
is our russian eastern european site tsarizm.com and you can find everything there for the last 10
00:39:11.760
years i think we have some of the best coverage out there perfect todd uh great job and uh your guy
00:39:18.460
knows the region having spent time over there thank you sir you bet thanks steve
00:39:22.880
remember uh 60 days basically from this weekend durban you know putin was going to be one of the
00:39:30.980
leaders of this bricks uh the brazil russia india china south africa and now african union and many
00:39:38.140
other nations egypt's thrown in and many others uh of this meeting for what we call the durban accords
00:39:44.520
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00:39:51.860
of course who knows if putin will even be around by then however what we do know is that in times
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uh ben harnwell the um the nations of europe uh what has happened this morning are there emergency
00:40:52.320
meetings there was a there was a uh a report in the telegraph at the crack of dawn that the european
00:40:58.640
leaders are going to have an emergency telephonic meeting what's going on good morning steve um well
00:41:06.160
this morning the foreign ministers of the g7 nations did have a telephone call that was
00:41:13.820
coordinated by anthony blinken on monday morning the foreign ministers of the european union nations
00:41:21.320
are due to have a meeting but that was a scheduled meeting anyway it's not an emergency meeting that's
00:41:26.960
been convoked uh especially because of the progress in developments um the the soundings are that
00:41:34.880
neither the european union nor nato will have uh at the present time uh an extraordinary meeting to
00:41:43.120
discuss these events but obviously that can change along with developments um and the other thing
00:41:49.240
worth noting is that georgia maloney here in italy has convoked a meeting of her um secret uh services
00:41:58.320
her intelligence uh departments to be breached she's spoken to austrian chancellor uh niemeyer um but i
00:42:06.540
think they're just basically bilateral uh conversations to coordinate and to remain appraised
00:42:12.860
so it's so hang on for a second uh we're gonna go to break i want you to stick around um ben's been
00:42:19.300
covering this extensively i'm gonna ask his uh opinion on all this one heads up is that the um
00:42:25.700
we do know that russian forces in ukraine continue to slug it out so that doesn't stop and it looks like
00:42:31.320
ben the uh the the counter-offensive or the spring offensive whatever you thought is on some sort of
00:42:37.200
pause they've taken some of these villages they're still fighting they're trying to regain bakhmut
00:42:41.880
but that that effort uh at least has stalled for now but the frontline troops they had really the
00:42:48.500
ones that took the brunt and going to bakhmut were the were the wagner group now whether they get a
00:42:53.440
thousand people or 25 000 said who knows but they are certainly clearly out of the front line in that
00:43:00.440
in that fight uh for the russians to defend uh the the donbass and they're at least in rostov or maybe
00:43:06.820
even heading north in the uh and kind of what we call xenophon in in reverse right the march to uh
00:43:13.600
xenophon's march to the sea this is the uh remember those mercenaries got got traded got retraded
00:43:19.260
when they were fighting the uh for persia greek mercenaries fighting for the persians all of a sudden
00:43:23.920
uh we don't need you and we're not going to pay you uh they took off you know they they had to fight
00:43:28.780
their way back and now looks like these uh the uh the criminal gang it's gang versus gang bloods
00:43:34.580
versus crips gangs of new york uh one against the other and a lot of reports come out trying to break
00:43:40.060
it all down to you key to your well-being not just the cyber weapons that the russians have that have
00:43:47.080
been hit in the united states over the last couple of weeks but the nukes particularly the tactical nukes
00:43:51.980
you know it's uh very uncertain we do know one thing the generals in in russia have skimmed a lot
00:43:58.500
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okay uh sam faddis joins us by phone a long career in the cia working on types of things like this sam
00:45:41.340
help us make sense of this what what in your assessment what's gone please tell me the cia
00:45:46.200
has put a ton of money in and and they semi-control the wagner group or at least control
00:45:51.680
you know a couple of three dozen of these russian generals is is that a reality no i mean i wish i
00:45:58.640
could tell you that and once upon a time that would be would have been the deal i mean at least that we
00:46:03.320
would have the access no i mean we're i suspect that when uh people started posting stuff on twitter
00:46:09.120
that's when cia ops center found out that this was going on so i i don't think we have any warning and
00:46:15.340
and we are reactive um having listened on some of the previous guests i agree i mean fundamentally
00:46:21.860
what's going to happen here is the question is going to boil down to where are all the powerful
00:46:29.040
figures and powerful generals going to fall out on this are they going to watch the wagner the
00:46:35.100
wagner group go into moscow and depose putin who may have already run away or are they going to
00:46:41.400
intervene that's that's what it's going to come down to right now the fact that they have have as yet
00:46:46.720
not stopped the wagner group i think would suggest that they're going to let it happen
00:46:51.820
isn't that the big tell and correct me if i'm wrong here uh that when he went to rostov he
00:46:59.340
announced he was going to rostov he announced he was pulling his mercenary group off the front line
00:47:04.180
around bakmut in in donbass uh and it's not even an easy journey to get there but he went basically
00:47:10.400
to the land bridge to crimea where rostov is and he wasn't he announced he was going to go there and
00:47:16.420
he was met by the head of the russian southern command and at least at least on the video appeared
00:47:21.980
that you know they met with him and had a meeting with him there weren't any troops i mean there was
00:47:26.320
some fighting and some looks like people punching each other out or maybe uh vehicles going around
00:47:31.560
rostov but there was no armed defense and they certainly didn't put him under arrest isn't that a
00:47:35.920
if you're sitting in moscow that's a bad sign right where my southern command maybe they're teamed up
00:47:41.220
or said hey let this guy you know they'll figure it out as they get they move north
00:47:45.900
uh 100 look they're they're rolling north as i understand it there are varying reports on
00:47:52.500
how close the the wagner group is to moscow but look they're not fighting their way north i mean as
00:47:58.860
you say there is some fighting but basically they're rocking and rolling down a highway headed for moscow
00:48:05.340
okay well and and nobody's bombing you know nobody in any organized effective way is stopping them
00:48:13.680
from moving at 60 miles an hour down a highway so yeah that's that's a pretty big tell i would also
00:48:19.540
note that when putin made his big uh well his hurried announcement his video announcement uh
00:48:26.340
earlier uh as i understand it was recorded and broadcast not live that tells me he was already
00:48:35.000
worried at that point that worried about anybody knowing where he was so he was going to record
00:48:41.620
it and uh then boogie that's uh there are also the reports bouncing around that he's left moscow
00:48:47.680
so all of that so far smells like you know the really the guys that are going to determine how
00:48:54.660
this goes are are standing to one side at a minimum letting it happen if you're the if you're some of
00:49:02.200
these you know gang leaders isn't it pretty humiliating i know the ccp if you've got to come
00:49:07.860
out and do a thing like putin did and accuse a guy of treason and you're an armed rebellion you're
00:49:12.400
trying to start a civil war you know you're going to be stopped that in and of itself is pretty
00:49:17.220
humiliating right when you got to go on national tv and essentially convince the nation you know you
00:49:21.820
got to set the narrative so that the nation's in back of you in and of it that is a massive loss of
00:49:26.880
face as the way that the people like the ccp look at it uh sam fattis well without question and look
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the russians know the reality i mean whether the ukrainians can retake all the territory that the
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russians took that's a whole different deal right whether they can go on the offensive and take back
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the territory separate deal but they know putin's he certainly hasn't achieved his objective from that
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standpoint he lost the war they know they're pulling t62 tanks that were obsolete when i was
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a tanker 40 years ago out of mothballs they know he's bleeding the country white and this is all about
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the fact that he won't admit that they have failed and um you know that so what you know that yes they
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see all of that and at some point the calculus maybe becomes you got to go man you're leaving us all
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to ruin you got to get we got to find somebody else percorison in fact his his taped uh or his uh
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diatribe uh called it out about the sources of war he said we were denazification the denazification
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program in the securing of the donbass was going on fine we didn't need to go to kiev we didn't need a
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we didn't need an offensive movement a year ago that we were taking care of this and we weren't going
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to lose it what kind of impact do you think that has on people that that looks like one of the
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things besides the armed element that really triggered putin your your thoughts
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i i think people know that that look this is rewriting history right everybody knows what you tried
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to do you tried to stage your own shock and op let's create up you thought you were going to be
00:51:04.640
in kiev in 72 hours the we've we've all seen now that the red army that took berlin in 1945
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has long since ceased to exist we we know this is a disaster everybody knows that so you could lie
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all you want broadcast i mean you know the russians have had people lie to them for forever so it
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doesn't doesn't change the fact that they know they're being lied to and they know exactly how bad
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this is can the can the can the russian army hold uh bakhmut and hold east the donbass and eastern
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russian-speaking ukraine without the 25 000 man reputed mercenary army of uh of the wagner group
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yeah i i think so i don't think that that doesn't equal they can hold literally every inch of
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territory but you know what the russians have been doing for months now is building successive
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defensive lines so they long since recognized that the offensive was over no matter what they say
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publicly and now they just build building this massive series of successive defensive lines
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to make it just way too costly for the ukrainians to ever be able to fight through that so the fact
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that the ukrainians could bring them to a halt does not at all indicate the ukrainians can now retake
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all that territory i mean we're we're in a stalemate where we've been for a long time and that's why we
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should have been trying in my opinion to talk this thing down and get these people to the table a long
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time ago instead of pouring jet fuel on the fire and have lindsey graham dance around smiling talking
00:52:42.040
about killing russians we should have been trying to bring this thing to a close uh sam real quickly
00:52:48.440
that are you concerned about who controls the nuclear weapons right now yeah 100 percent i mean
00:52:54.540
there are 40 different sites in russia where there are nuclear weapons there are roughly 6 000 nuclear
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warhead there at least 1600 of those are operational these are rough numbers we have this so so so you
00:53:09.040
know all those missiles aren't sam just just hang on for one second it's a 90 second break top of the
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