Bannon's War Room - Episode 2831： The Mutiny In Russia

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:10.260 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:16.860 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:20.620 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.200 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.020 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:39.960 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.180 our president vladimir putin is facing a critical moment a truly critical moment

00:00:57.400 after the leader of the wagner mercenary group evgeny purgosyan a longtime ally of the kremlin

00:01:03.080 claimed his troops had taken control of military facilities in the russian cities of voronezh and

00:01:09.920 rostov and on putin has accused him of treason and vowed to punish any armed rebellion and says

00:01:16.700 any internal turmoil in russia is a deadly threat to its statehood evgeny purgosyan rose to prominence

00:01:23.400 as a close ally of vladimir putin and now he's leading what putin says is a rebellion against him

00:01:29.580 want to go to our senior international correspondent fred pleitkin fred give us a better sense of who

00:01:34.900 purgosyan is well he's a very important man or has been at least a very important man for vladimir

00:01:42.300 putin and certainly someone who has risen among the ranks thanks to vladimir putin who's been given

00:01:48.860 a lot of power by vladimir putin but who has also done a lot for vladimir putin along the way and one

00:01:53.940 of the things that we always have to mention wolf is that evgeny purgosyan came from very humble

00:01:58.320 beginnings he was in jail for a considerable period of time in the 80s and then started off in the 90s

00:02:03.260 selling hot dogs at a hot dog stand and then at some point became known as putin's chef putin's

00:02:09.100 caterer he was seen giving food to vladimir putin at various events and then managed to build an

00:02:14.740 empire also largely thanks to vladimir putin on top of that and that's when of course he got involved

00:02:20.180 in things like the internet research agency with some of that propaganda work he was doing the u.s

00:02:25.180 saying that he played a big part meddling in the 2016 election of course was sanctioned and indicted for

00:02:31.240 that as well and then you have the wagner private military company which is sort of one of the things

00:02:36.440 that he also took on there and this is something wolf that you know we in our work internationally

00:02:41.400 have been confronted with over the past couple of years if you look at for instance syria around 0.98

00:02:45.900 2014 2015 where we would go around syria and you would already see people from the wagner private

00:02:51.620 military company at that point still doing things like base protection for the russians who were down

00:02:57.440 on the ground in syria that then of course evolved into more and more of a combat role but then also

00:03:04.240 doing shady economic dealings for vladimir putin as well in syria for instance with the oil wells that

00:03:10.480 the russians and the syrian regime took there but then also in africa dealing with gems also training

00:03:17.340 african military forces but it really wasn't wolf until the war in ukraine or the full-on war in

00:03:23.260 ukraine where wagner went from essentially being a paramilitary company to being a full-on military to

00:03:30.020 being essentially a full-on army and evgeny prigorshan himself says he believes that right now

00:03:34.940 this is the strongest army that russia has and you know even sort of boasting that it's allegedly one

00:03:40.300 of the strongest in the world and and and again it was something that we've seen on the ground all of

00:03:46.020 us who for instance were in the battle of bakhmud in eastern ukraine you know many people came under

00:03:51.880 heavy shelling by those wagner operatives who all of a sudden had tanks who had large artillery stocks

00:03:57.580 were shooting a lot of artillery shells as well and of course wolf also using prisoners who they

00:04:03.320 recruited out of russian jails to then essentially be used as cannon fodder on the front line so

00:04:08.740 someone with a lot of brutal tactics but also someone who now has a large army at his disposal

00:04:14.120 which apparently now has turned on vladimir putin wolf okay saturday 24 june year of our lord 2023

00:04:21.720 which side do the generals choose who controls the nukes what happens as uh quite frankly the main

00:04:28.600 line uh mercenary troops are pulled out of uh the donbass which has stopped the uh the ukrainian

00:04:35.600 uh spring offensive in his tracks uh we're fully loaded today we got posobic uh l todd woods uh harnwell

00:04:43.320 from rome we got john mills uh sam fattus from the cia also trying to track down the one and only eric

00:04:50.380 prints to get it all in plus we got a lot of other news there's so much stuff breaking on the

00:04:54.900 biden crime family sequoia capital all of it and capital markets for dave brad's going to join us

00:04:59.960 a little later let's go to jack posobic uh first uh jack give us your assessment you and i've talked

00:05:05.660 throughout the night uh obviously yesterday about you know because remember you got to always watch

00:05:11.180 the kabuki theater when you're talking about these criminal elements like the kgb and the in the 1.00

00:05:15.980 military in uh in russia just like in the ccp uh is this uh is uh is the wagner group doing xenophon's

00:05:25.640 march up country you know a group of mercenaries that get sold out as xenophon did you know with

00:05:30.620 the persians what 2 000 years ago and then the march back home is that what we're seeing here is

00:05:36.700 this something uh is this really a coup sir well of course in this case they're marching from the sea

00:05:43.540 to inland so i guess it would be the xenophon's march in resort in in reverse not the sea not the

00:05:50.420 sea i suppose would be the the uh the the titular line but you know this this appears this has all

00:05:56.920 the markings of a suicide run uh this guy actually thinks that he's going to make it all the way up

00:06:01.440 to moscow and and steve we have to be clear progosian has been making insubordinate comments

00:06:06.800 for weeks if not months publicly about the ministry of defense now he's always careful not to come out

00:06:12.540 and criticize putin directly but he certainly has had a long-standing very public feud with shoigu the

00:06:20.520 minister of offense uh grasimov who's one of the deputies there one of the generals and so this is

00:06:26.420 something steve that no other military in the world would allow a commander someone down in the

00:06:33.580 chain of command to be speaking publicly this way about the top leaders you simply couldn't allow it

00:06:38.660 uh when this happened with macarthur and truman but is it but hang on but hang on but hang on

00:06:44.180 but hang on but hang on they haven't ran to the 60s yeah but they have it yes they have a different

00:06:49.540 command structure though but isn't it true that his mercenaries have taken the brunt and i'm not saying

00:06:56.740 the russian you know relatively untrained recruits are getting hammered but his mercenaries the 25,000 0.58

00:07:04.140 have stood in the breach here and he's take unlike other generals he's taking care of these guys i

00:07:08.920 mean he's got he's got some capital built up with these troops and the big news to me is he took him

00:07:14.300 out of the main line in donbass and marched to rostov which is a couple hundred miles away and about a

00:07:18.760 thousand miles what from moscow but he took him out but he does have credibility let me just give you

00:07:23.580 his quote jack respond to this his quote is this is not a military coup this is a march for justice

00:07:30.660 the president that would be putin makes a deep mistake when he talks about treason we are patriots

00:07:37.220 of our motherland we fought and are fighting for it does he make a pretty strong case that the wagner

00:07:44.100 group uh has really been the most competent of all and have really been at the tip of the spear of

00:07:48.960 stopping uh the allies and uh in ukraine's uh ukraine's fight in the donbass sir well steve that's right

00:07:56.940 and and what i want to be clear is that i'm i was referring to the build-up to this situation now

00:08:01.760 over the last just 12 hours uh he's made this move on rostov surrounding the military headquarters

00:08:08.520 there in the south of course rostov being a key resupply point for this crime when they're talking

00:08:13.880 about the land bridge to crimea it's a land bridge to rostov that's the point that's where this

00:08:18.540 this all ends up key resupply for all of the russian forces now putin has come out after it looks

00:08:25.420 like they were trying to do there was a stunning video just a stunning video where prigozian actually

00:08:30.720 walks into the courtyard and meets the generals in public nobody drawing weapons nobody firing at him

00:08:37.400 no shots fired in this video he sits down with generals who appear to have been appointed by someone

00:08:43.240 in the russian high command to go and speak with him uh that conversation obviously doesn't go well

00:08:48.440 putin then comes out and declares this essentially to be akin to treason and essentially says

00:08:53.940 there will be no mercy for traitors but but but hang on the buried lead there is

00:09:00.240 the generals here maybe have the power that that video you're talking about and and what

00:09:06.440 people are are discussing is that he wasn't put under arrest they there wasn't a strong military

00:09:12.680 punch back and the generals look like they're hearing his argument it's undecided whether those

00:09:18.200 it's up in the air whether whose side these generals are on particularly in the south am i incorrect in that

00:09:23.320 well steve of course the question is were they following orders we've seen this with russia

00:09:28.640 before when they've negotiated with terrorists usually they'll take uh the first 24 the first

00:09:33.000 48 hours they'll attempt to find some kind of peaceful resolution and then immediately after that

00:09:37.480 they will respond with severe force and so uh i i post put a post up on on twitter and getter just

00:09:44.620 now that if this guy uh thinks he's actually going to make it all the way up to moskva he's going to be

00:09:49.520 completely carpet bond from the sky very quickly in terms of this uh the idea that you're going to

00:09:55.760 make a run during a war and putin of course uh brought up that this is akin to 1917 and and

00:10:02.240 bringing up the original bolshevik revolution the october revolution that led to the creation of the

00:10:08.840 soviet union that knocked um the imperial russia knocked the czar out uh obviously the czar's family

00:10:14.480 was murdered out in the woods and then this knocked russia out of world war one and set up the most 0.94

00:10:19.640 bloody regime in human history uh so the idea that he's does it does it doesn't doesn't he want it

00:10:26.660 doesn't he yeah but doesn't he want this is the uncertain nature of this and and remember these are

00:10:32.820 criminal elements both in both in beijing in tehran with the mullahs in pakistan now with the isi

00:10:40.940 in turkey with erdogan you know throughout the gulf and particularly in moscow with the kgb where we

00:10:47.340 kind of abandoned the russian people for the second time back in uh 89 and allowed the kgb really to 0.96

00:10:53.000 stay in charge the criminal elements doesn't he want to draw the fire of putin and show the nation

00:10:59.980 that he's got these brave 25 000 mercenaries that have in bad hombres but they've done a pretty good

00:11:06.880 job i mean they took bakhmut right not not not the volunteers they took bakhmut does they want to

00:11:12.660 show the nation and the world that putin's out of control and going to come in and attack arguably

00:11:18.580 the bravest soldiers they've had on the front line how would that play what how would the generals

00:11:23.360 decide remember it yeah go ahead that's one of the big questions here because right now the only person

00:11:29.480 that i've seen publicly supporting uh supporting purgosian of course is zielinski the president of ukraine

00:11:35.620 he's the only person that's out there publicly erdogan says he's had a good call with putin

00:11:39.520 uh iran has come out supporting putin of course china has been quite silent in terms of all this

00:11:44.480 obviously this is a huge blow to the stability of the rise of bricks so i would imagine by the way

00:11:51.280 that uh over there in the u.s embassy the cia was calling up every single possible group they could

00:11:57.720 think of last night and to come forward and say all right this is our chance deploy out to moscow get do

00:12:03.700 whatever you can guys get there and uh and blow up because even if they're not necessarily you know

00:12:08.640 there's some some internet rumors that purgosian is doing this uh at the behest of the cia and i

00:12:13.400 don't know if that's really worn out but uh clearly clearly this is one of the most crucial points of

00:12:18.880 stability for putin's regime at this time now steve to your question though about 25 000 loyal

00:12:25.380 mercenaries behind purgosian i haven't seen 25 000 i've seen maybe at most if you put all of the

00:12:32.280 videos together and obviously take that with a grain of salt because i'm sure there's a lot of

00:12:35.520 fakes that are that are put in not to mention that original video of this supposed alleged airstrike

00:12:40.760 that took place he looks like he's maybe got a thousand guys and we're already hearing reports

00:12:45.620 that these guys weren't told that they were going to be marching on rostov they were being told that

00:12:49.520 this was a you know a regular troop movement that they're on the way for r&r you know this was you

00:12:54.980 know this was uh you know redeployment internally they had no clue what the leadership was doing and so

00:13:00.440 in that first 24 hours really just 12 hours of confusion there was a lot that went down so the

00:13:06.480 idea that he's got 25 000 that are willing to do this i think that's a hard sell and keep in mind

00:13:11.460 that people haven't pointed out that there are still wagner uh emplacements within syria throughout

00:13:18.060 africa where this group has been used so there are potentially a number of options on the back end of

00:13:24.240 this to see whether or not this group could be broken up reconstituted renamed obviously they've been

00:13:30.140 used to great effect and for many of these african regimes uh huge played a massive role in the syrian

00:13:36.380 war yeah one could one could argue that the best use of american money would have been to pay uh this

00:13:45.480 guy who i'm sure uh is a guy that that might take uh might take a high bid to take him off the front

00:13:52.240 line because the the the the the fundamental news is that they were front line around bak moot the

00:13:58.560 spring offensive is ground down i've heard from democrats in capitol hill that if there's not

00:14:03.000 significant achievement in this spring offensive they're not even going to support uh another mass

00:14:09.860 cash infusion from the united states and we know that the maga the mag yeah we got 30 seconds jack

00:14:15.640 can you hang through the break i can i can yeah just hang with me okay we're gonna keep jack so we

00:14:21.800 got l todd woods his uh site has some tremendous incredible footage up ben hernwell in rome sam

00:14:28.820 faddis is going to join us uh colonel mills we're pretty packed here as we try to get to the bottom

00:14:35.580 of exactly what is going on in russia where do the generals and the arabians come out who controls the

00:14:41.660 new to remember when the russians flipping this stuff like on the czar you know when the generals

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00:16:33.880 okay welcome back uh i want to bring in l todd wood uh first of all hey jack real quickly before i go to

00:16:42.380 todd and jackson hang around for this segment uh do you buy i mean that the what initiated this

00:16:47.400 supposedly was with this fight between him and the generals and his trashing the russian military

00:16:53.360 particularly the high command all the time that they they did an airstrike on him and killed a bunch

00:16:58.200 of his guys do you buy that have you seen any evidence of that that you can point to or do you buy it

00:17:02.220 i mean steve that that video was very suspect to begin with again you don't see any uh any dead bodies

00:17:08.760 in that video you see some trees that are knocked over a crater and look if if the russian high

00:17:13.220 command actually felt like they wanted to take out uh precociation they have a number of options that

00:17:19.380 don't involve airstrikes i mean you just you know you pay some kid to go up and go uh uh go archduke

00:17:25.680 ferdinand on him basically or yeah shoot him in the head at night and when he's sleeping um let's bring

00:17:33.360 in l todd wood todd you've got a site tell people about the site they can go to todd to get all this 0.97

00:17:38.400 information you've got a site that specializes in this where do people go yeah look we've had

00:17:42.760 czarism.com up for since 2015 i've lived in kiev i was a national security columnist for the

00:17:48.420 washington times uh i i've spent a lot of time in eastern europe and russia czarism is our site

00:17:54.360 that's been up for a while now it's grown into a global uh really uh empire with about 12 sites

00:17:59.720 cdm.press is the main one you can find everything there but look what people but you also aren't you

00:18:05.720 you're a special you're you're you're you're a special forces pilot in this area right

00:18:09.580 yeah i flew uh st seal team six and and delta around for years uh for the 20th special operations

00:18:16.640 squadron so um back in the day did you ever do any did you ever do any mercenary did you ever do

00:18:21.920 any mercenary work like uh like the wagner group that type of stuff eric prince type stuff but i was

00:18:27.160 back during the yugoslav war you know the gulf war one that period um but you know we were running

00:18:32.600 missions uh globally what uh tell me what your thoughts on this you you because you've got a

00:18:39.080 pretty good site are you are you buying the fact that this is really an armed insurrection by these

00:18:43.320 by this mercenary group what what people need to understand is that this is a uh these people are

00:18:49.420 not fighting for god and country right i mean they're fighting for the the money the beautiful

00:18:53.360 women and what they call the power these are the fsb i'm being told aligned with possibly wagner 1.00

00:18:59.000 uh fighting the ministry of defense for resources and criminal activity and and money there i'm being

00:19:06.240 told that wagner wagner wasn't paid and that they're pissed off these are battle-hardened troops

00:19:11.460 the national guard around moscow is is is weak i mean putin put it together years ago but it's it's

00:19:18.220 civilian forces essentially with uniforms on they're not that well trained wagner is well trained they're

00:19:23.120 battle-hardened they're bloodied you know it's the fog of war but what what people need to understand

00:19:28.320 also is that the russian military this part of the world doesn't give a damn about human life i mean

00:19:32.080 this is they've been invaded for 2 000 years so they they respect the strong man and the russian

00:19:38.780 military really hasn't taken care of its people but brigozian has to talk about that for a second

00:19:45.580 about how he's but that's essentially what you're saying this is bloods versus the crypts fsb is the

00:19:50.920 kgb it's kgb wagner versus the military but it's basically gangs in new york this is this is bloods

00:19:56.620 versus crips to and i keep telling people the ccp is the same way right they got these factions these 0.93

00:20:01.940 are gangs these are criminal they're criminal mullahs in persia in erdogan in turkey in pakistan 0.93

00:20:08.420 in this new alliance this new axis of evil are all criminal gangs right from beijing beijing's the 0.90

00:20:15.000 don that's don corleone right and you got these others and that's why it's so humiliating for for

00:20:20.300 putin have to go on tv but you're essentially saying this is gang warfare right yeah and then you've

00:20:25.400 also got another layer you got the biden crime family which is another gang fighting for resources

00:20:29.880 and access to ukraine where they can do anything they want run info ops against the u.s etc so this

00:20:34.700 is why ukraine is so important to the to all of these you know power centers but uh i i don't know

00:20:41.900 how big this force is i know that the the roads around moscow are blocked people are trying to get

00:20:46.660 out of the city the flights are sold out uh but there is allegedly fighting on the roads there's

00:20:52.680 allegedly surrenders from the national guard to prigozhin's troops as they move forward so where

00:20:58.760 he is you know mi6 is reporting two three hours outside of moscow i don't know if that's possible

00:21:03.480 but that's what we're seeing so uh it's definitely yeah ben carnival correct me it's a thousand

00:21:11.480 kilometers i think todd hanger for one second poso uh in fact if we can do this in a uh in a in a in a

00:21:17.320 grab you know boom everybody on the screen poso um getting fancy here in the war room on a saturday

00:21:22.620 morning poso your thoughts is this game is this is this bloods versus crips brother well there's

00:21:28.840 certainly an element of that i would also point out just for all of the mainstream media i'm sure

00:21:32.560 that's watching by the way guys uh and nancy pelosi this is what a real armed insurrection looks like

00:21:38.780 as opposed to uh some of the ones that you guys have been trying to throw around that president trump

00:21:42.860 was involved no this is a real armed insurrection now as far as the actual uh forces involved the

00:21:48.760 numbers involved whether or not people i've had that once wagner once those guys understand what

00:21:55.120 they're actually up against right now and a lot of this really does fall down to prigozhin this guy 0.97

00:22:00.640 he's he's very independently wealthy over the past eight or so ten eight to ten years of warfare he's

00:22:06.420 extremely personally wealthy uh it looks like they just confiscated a bunch of this money up in saint

00:22:11.960 petersburg that they claimed that prigozhin himself has admitted was going to be paid out

00:22:17.340 to the wagner troops the wagner forces obviously we're hugely in the fog of war here we have no clue

00:22:24.560 specifically what's going on there's pictures of uh they're saying this is a helicopter that's taking

00:22:29.980 down other people are saying no it's flares um these these stunning images out of rostov of tanks

00:22:35.740 with the ubiquitous um typically you'd see a white z on the tank for representing russian forces

00:22:41.700 now you're seeing red z's that have been painted on them but at the same time in these videos out

00:22:46.220 of rostov as i said before you don't see um you don't see anyone firing steve they've got them if

00:22:52.880 they i don't know if they can zoom in on any of these videos but they've got the uh the muzzle

00:22:56.540 covers on these tanks they still have their muzzle covers on so this doesn't look it's it's intended as

00:23:01.720 a show of force but the question as to whether or not these guys are actually going to pull the trigger

00:23:07.180 on yeah their own countrymen has this is my point the generals okay did all every one of these

00:23:13.820 generals in the russian army they got the bank accounts in cyprus they got the bank accounts in

00:23:18.700 malta the mexican these guys have been skimming money the whole area this is what i keep saying

00:23:24.280 it's not our fight you know patten didn't montgomery i know nobody would ever go into this part of the

00:23:30.720 world these are there's this two slavic nations slugging it out down in ukraine and now you're in the

00:23:35.340 middle of this and keep saying just going to matassa every one of these russian generals totally

00:23:39.240 corrupt when you talk about their troops about the weapons they thought they had and the food

00:23:43.160 they thought they had they're skimming a half of that and taking and putting their bank account in

00:23:46.480 malta and cyprus but just like when the czar fell just like when when uh when they felt when the

00:23:53.040 berlin wall came down in 89 when gorbachev and those guys when the bolsheviks got got tossed 0.84

00:23:57.420 it's which way the generals and the kgb and security forces they all say hey what's in my interest

00:24:02.260 putin's not this is not a lock for putin right because it's it's gangs in new york it's bloods

00:24:07.720 versus crips and you got the information war part of this is just as big as anything but the generals

00:24:13.100 what i find shocking it in it it helped me out here jack they didn't really put up a big defense

00:24:19.420 in rostov he said he was going and he went and he was greeted at least what you see on video

00:24:23.820 they look like they're gonna have a cup of coffee and hear the guy out right

00:24:26.740 i mean they're having parties people are getting married in rostov right now

00:24:31.340 out in front of the troops i mean it's it's hilarious

00:24:33.780 well this is my point just so but so big what are you what are you seeing fighters well here here's

00:24:39.580 something people need to understand all right that for for anyone who thinks that if putin is gone

00:24:45.820 that means that russia is going to turn into some pacifist liberal open up with the western order

00:24:52.180 sort of state do you really think that if there's a military coup inside of russia that they're

00:24:58.200 using a thug like krogosian as their tool to put themselves the savlaki in power that look these guys 1.00

00:25:05.480 that are supporting them they're saying putin's too soft they're saying that he's not going hard

00:25:09.620 they want you to use you get to my point you you you get to my point this is all that you know

00:25:16.340 they're all skipping around they want it they want a regime change on putin from day one

00:25:20.080 is he the worst criminal they got i mean a lot of these guys are saying hey we've played two

00:25:24.380 patty cake down in ukraine and we haven't taken care i don't think they're going to have a pride

00:25:28.600 parade are they looking for a pride parade uh before they get into moscow is that what these

00:25:32.940 guys are looking for uh steve i mean if there if there's going to be a parade it's going to be a

00:25:38.940 parade of every single general and leader they think was too liberal was too soft again there are

00:25:44.380 people inside the russian the kremlin they have their own military uh industrial complex as

00:25:50.040 well and there are good generals within the kremlin the hardliners who have wanted to glass

00:25:54.000 kiev since day one since day one and those guys view progosian as an opportunity potentially to go

00:26:02.120 harder on everything that's going inside ukraine so this idea that it's going to lead that this

00:26:06.680 instability within russia is somehow good for ukraine good for europe ultimately good for the world i think

00:26:11.940 it is ridiculous i think it is short-sighted i think it is very very foolhardy hey steve one point

00:26:17.560 last last thing before i leave the only guy todd hang on one second todd hang on todd hang on i'm 0.70

00:26:23.200 gonna lose jack here for a second let me just get to jack jack who do you think controls who do you

00:26:27.340 think controls the uh the nukes i mean isn't that the big thing here but who controls the nuclear

00:26:32.220 weapons right now well you know an interesting thought that occurs to me is that putin just moved

00:26:37.240 nuclear weapons out to belarus where of course jack forsovic died losing

00:26:41.160 hey todd yeah okay just feedback okay jack forsovic can you hear me yeah here you're five by five

00:26:56.180 okay yeah who do you think who do you think controls the nukes right now i mean look steve uh belarus of

00:27:03.740 course just received nuclear weapons from russia lukashenko is very much in uh indebted to vladimir

00:27:10.360 putin for sticking by him through the troubles over the last couple of years so the idea that

00:27:15.100 putin has lost control of the nukes i think is very short-sighted i don't think that's i don't

00:27:20.660 think that's a legitimate inquiry at this point i think that eventually what comes down here

00:27:25.260 is that uh putin essentially just like erdogan in 2016 with a failed coup attempt emerges stronger

00:27:31.980 emerges more in control i think that's eventually what you're going to see here i think this is half

00:27:36.440 baked i think it's suicidal and i think that if any threat comes to those nuclear forces negotiations

00:27:42.560 are off and they will be shown no mercy uh jack forsovic how do people follow you on social media

00:27:48.940 because today's a day you should follow brother posobic yeah we're going to be throwing it down

00:27:53.960 of course uh telegram truth uh the the show is human events 2 p.m every day we've got all the receipts

00:28:00.380 that we're knocking down every day and look i'm talking to folks in the region i'm talking to people

00:28:04.220 that just got out of there trying to see everything that's going down thanks jack thanks for taking

00:28:10.280 time away today okay we got todd woods is going to stick with us harnwell in rome sam fattis from the

00:28:15.920 cia colonel amils is going to jump in didn't even time to get to jack the uh the identity of the uh

00:28:23.980 of the text messages on whatsapp from hunter biden to a senior ccp official pretty damning all next in

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00:30:07.580 the fog of war the fog of war you're in the middle of it now an information war it looks like a shooting

00:30:16.640 may be some shooting activity between criminal elements uh that are in control of russia uh for

00:30:23.440 the russian people um we're always with you uh make sure that you keep your head down because

00:30:29.160 it's going to get i think gnarly there todd wood there's all kind of stuff breaking on twitter and

00:30:34.060 other sources that you have that say that talk to me about this um this is it is it an airborne brigade

00:30:41.800 a russian army airborne brigade that may have uh thrown in with uh the wagner group

00:30:47.540 yeah we're being told and of course it's hard to confirm but uh the 217 airborne brigade of the

00:30:54.200 russian army has allegedly joined and surrendered to wagner and joined their forces as they approach

00:30:59.880 the capital city uh we're being told a third helicopter has been shot down and that chechen 1.00

00:31:04.980 troops are moving towards rostov in order to help the fight and help restore order for the russian

00:31:11.600 for the kremlin so you know these are reports we're getting yes it's the fog of war one point i want to

00:31:17.760 make is the only guy who's whacked four or five hundred of these wagner guys in one night was donald john

00:31:22.940 trump in syria when they decided they were going to approach a uh an american position in syria he sent ac

00:31:30.720 130s and it waxed them overnight that's a very unreported story and uh but the only guy who has

00:31:36.700 real success against these guys is trump yeah give me that again because and take that from the top

00:31:43.940 that is probably the most unreported of all the quote-unquote fight against isis and and and president

00:31:49.800 trump standing up to putin nobody ever talks about the time he sent the uh he sent the the people should

00:31:56.860 know those are the massive gunships right they can stay over can basically stay over target and just

00:32:02.120 unload on you right it's like hell on earth talk to me about that but how what trump did

00:32:07.040 well you know i used to fly for afsock i was a helicopter guy but these ac-130s are are brutal they

00:32:13.120 have you know small cannon and then how it 105 millimeter howitzers in addition to other weapons and

00:32:18.700 they just fly in a circle and just destroy anything underneath them and in syria there was american

00:32:24.940 positions special forces positions near some of the wells and they saw a large force approaching

00:32:29.360 them they uh my reports were they called moscow and said are these your people and putin said no

00:32:34.960 and so trump sent in four or five you know sent in the ac-130s at night and just destroyed four to

00:32:41.180 five hundred wagner uh mercenaries in in a couple of minutes and so you know this so the putin not

00:32:48.380 sticking up for wagner uh is is is a long-standing problem simmering in russia and this could be

00:32:55.200 related to that talk to us about wagner and when you say these mercenaries is that you know people

00:33:01.520 out of jail he he is unique and when you look at this war in ukraine and correct me if i'm wrong

00:33:08.080 he looks like he does take care of these troops better the the the russian troops in the regular army

00:33:14.040 or it looks like nothing more than cannon fodder he does look like he takes care of these troops

00:33:18.480 to talk about these gangs and these in these criminal elements and these mercenaries what are

00:33:23.060 they like how are they motivated uh how does he keep them together well it's leadership to be honest i

00:33:31.900 mean you know i talked to a source in moscow yesterday and this person was telling me i used to 0.99

00:33:37.520 think uh pregozin was was was an idiot and dumb and stupid but i listened to him and he's he's very 0.98

00:33:43.520 intelligent and he makes a lot of sense so this is what's floating around moscow right now and he did 1.00

00:33:49.400 go to the prisons he opens up the prisons he recruits guys and says if you survive you can you

00:33:54.320 know have your freedom back so when you're talking to a murderer who's there for life and these are

00:33:58.680 russian prisons they're not nice places they're not the gulag but they're not nice places and so when

00:34:03.900 you give that guy an opportunity he's going to be loyal to you and then if you take care of him and

00:34:08.740 make sure he gets weapons and they see you standing up to the kremlin demanding ammunition and more

00:34:13.740 support and sticking up for you then you're going to support him even more so this is the force

00:34:18.000 that is you know possibly fighting uh the the russian army which are conscripts if you go back to

00:34:24.240 kursk in the battles in world war ii that they cared nothing about human life it means nothing

00:34:28.520 it's it's like a dime on the street and so for them to send a wave of young boys into battle and

00:34:34.600 just see how they do and if they come back they shoot them anyway i mean this is what the mentality

00:34:39.240 of the russian you know command is and so when you have a guy who's actually taking care of his people

00:34:44.480 you know they're dying but they're fighting and for their their own personal freedom i mean they're

00:34:49.420 going to be loyal to this guy so this is what is approaching russia you know the kremlin at this point

00:34:54.260 uh talk to us the last thing about the about the what way the generals uh turn here who do they back

00:35:02.560 how important is this over the next 72 hours and particularly who actually controls the nuclear

00:35:09.020 weapons the tactical nuclear weapons uh in this region sir i i think putin's obviously still has

00:35:15.320 control of the weapons um but another thing is you know why would you what what evidence what

00:35:21.220 evidence do you have to show that i don't have evidence it's just an educated you know what i

00:35:27.400 think uh but i i don't think he's let go of the nuclear weapons uh i don't see any evidence of that

00:35:33.280 at all i think the russian ministry of defense still has control of that and uh you know so that is a

00:35:38.980 whole separate question but essentially this this is the fog of war and i don't know how this is going

00:35:45.600 to go down but it's going to be really interesting to watch the chechens moving to help putin 1.00

00:35:49.840 is a big sign to me that they may be a little bit worried i mean this is you know putin has set up

00:35:54.800 kudurov down in chechnya for a long time and paid him money to be loyal to him and these are fierce

00:35:59.940 fighters and uh he needs their help when you say a little bit worried what putin that was humiliating

00:36:06.780 for particularly when you see the ccps their biggest you know the partner that funds them and

00:36:11.080 there's a report out yesterday that i think in 59 different technologies that were banned the ccps

00:36:16.340 providing them military direct military aid for putin have to go on tv and make this humiliating

00:36:22.640 very angry that this guy's treason and i'm going to stop him that in and of itself is a massive loss

00:36:28.280 of face that for him to have to go kind of try to convince the nation right so isn't he plenty

00:36:33.340 worried already uh to actually before this guy forced him to go on national tv and condemn him

00:36:39.140 yeah and you have a force uh from the tsarist days where you called the apriestina which was

00:36:45.160 basically a praetorian guard around the king and this is what putin has activated around him but they

00:36:51.240 can be bought off so you know it's it's literally a chessboard right now as to who's going to maintain

00:36:59.520 control and who could possibly take control of russia these are oligarchs these are the fsb

00:37:04.200 who are in bed with the business you know it's it's a it's a kleptocracy and they're fighting for

00:37:09.760 power and money and that's all that matters russia doesn't matter it's power and money

00:37:14.120 the the given you know you hear from msnbc and all these people the unrest in in russia about this

00:37:21.260 is the perception by the russian people that that at least in the ukraine they appear to be

00:37:27.460 at least winning right now that the ukrainians uh this second of this spring offensive hasn't really

00:37:33.020 worked and as as bad as the russian performance has been they're kind of back to the old ways they

00:37:37.820 did it that they at least uh are are holding their own it doesn't like the donbass is going to be lost

00:37:42.940 didn't look like crimea until wagner left and who knows what happens now but are the oligarchs i mean

00:37:49.300 in your sense and you're reporting in your context so they have the oligarchs still got

00:37:52.980 putin's back are they as are they can be persuaded also that's the big question and you know and people

00:37:59.900 talking about russia being a threat to the west yes with their nuclear weapons but their conventional 0.95

00:38:05.080 forces can't even take the donbass right now so they're not a threat to nato conventionally

00:38:09.240 uh but who's going to maintain control is the big question i don't i can't answer that obviously we'll

00:38:15.140 we'll wait to see but uh the russian people have been motivated by the propaganda machine in in moscow and

00:38:22.820 elsewhere a lot of you know young boys left the country but a lot of them were motivated to fight

00:38:26.340 uh if you can break that patina of you know god and country that putin personifies uh then you

00:38:34.020 know that will be bad for him but as far as i can tell the russians are just like what's going on

00:38:38.860 they're trying to get out you know russians are very good at survival that's an art form over there

00:38:43.160 and they're and they're trying to just survive this and see what happens

00:38:46.280 todd your sights are terrific where do people go to to get stay up to date and everything is going on

00:38:53.200 in this uh it looks like uh armed rebellion over in russia right now well armedforces.press or

00:38:59.780 armedforcespress is is one of our main military sites cdm.press has everything and then czarism 0.68

00:39:05.440 is our russian eastern european site tsarizm.com and you can find everything there for the last 10

00:39:11.760 years i think we have some of the best coverage out there perfect todd uh great job and uh your guy

00:39:18.460 knows the region having spent time over there thank you sir you bet thanks steve

00:39:22.880 remember uh 60 days basically from this weekend durban you know putin was going to be one of the

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00:40:46.340 uh ben harnwell the um the nations of europe uh what has happened this morning are there emergency

00:40:52.320 meetings there was a there was a uh a report in the telegraph at the crack of dawn that the european

00:40:58.640 leaders are going to have an emergency telephonic meeting what's going on good morning steve um well

00:41:06.160 this morning the foreign ministers of the g7 nations did have a telephone call that was

00:41:13.820 coordinated by anthony blinken on monday morning the foreign ministers of the european union nations

00:41:21.320 are due to have a meeting but that was a scheduled meeting anyway it's not an emergency meeting that's

00:41:26.960 been convoked uh especially because of the progress in developments um the the soundings are that

00:41:34.880 neither the european union nor nato will have uh at the present time uh an extraordinary meeting to

00:41:43.120 discuss these events but obviously that can change along with developments um and the other thing

00:41:49.240 worth noting is that georgia maloney here in italy has convoked a meeting of her um secret uh services

00:41:58.320 her intelligence uh departments to be breached she's spoken to austrian chancellor uh niemeyer um but i

00:42:06.540 think they're just basically bilateral uh conversations to coordinate and to remain appraised

00:42:12.860 so it's so hang on for a second uh we're gonna go to break i want you to stick around um ben's been

00:42:19.300 covering this extensively i'm gonna ask his uh opinion on all this one heads up is that the um

00:42:25.700 we do know that russian forces in ukraine continue to slug it out so that doesn't stop and it looks like

00:42:31.320 ben the uh the the counter-offensive or the spring offensive whatever you thought is on some sort of

00:42:37.200 pause they've taken some of these villages they're still fighting they're trying to regain bakhmut

00:42:41.880 but that that effort uh at least has stalled for now but the frontline troops they had really the

00:42:48.500 ones that took the brunt and going to bakhmut were the were the wagner group now whether they get a

00:42:53.440 thousand people or 25 000 said who knows but they are certainly clearly out of the front line in that

00:43:00.440 in that fight uh for the russians to defend uh the the donbass and they're at least in rostov or maybe

00:43:06.820 even heading north in the uh and kind of what we call xenophon in in reverse right the march to uh

00:43:13.600 xenophon's march to the sea this is the uh remember those mercenaries got got traded got retraded

00:43:19.260 when they were fighting the uh for persia greek mercenaries fighting for the persians all of a sudden

00:43:23.920 uh we don't need you and we're not going to pay you uh they took off you know they they had to fight

00:43:28.780 their way back and now looks like these uh the uh the criminal gang it's gang versus gang bloods

00:43:34.580 versus crips gangs of new york uh one against the other and a lot of reports come out trying to break

00:43:40.060 it all down to you key to your well-being not just the cyber weapons that the russians have that have

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00:45:32.280 okay uh sam faddis joins us by phone a long career in the cia working on types of things like this sam

00:45:41.340 help us make sense of this what what in your assessment what's gone please tell me the cia

00:45:46.200 has put a ton of money in and and they semi-control the wagner group or at least control

00:45:51.680 you know a couple of three dozen of these russian generals is is that a reality no i mean i wish i

00:45:58.640 could tell you that and once upon a time that would be would have been the deal i mean at least that we

00:46:03.320 would have the access no i mean we're i suspect that when uh people started posting stuff on twitter

00:46:09.120 that's when cia ops center found out that this was going on so i i don't think we have any warning and

00:46:15.340 and we are reactive um having listened on some of the previous guests i agree i mean fundamentally

00:46:21.860 what's going to happen here is the question is going to boil down to where are all the powerful

00:46:29.040 figures and powerful generals going to fall out on this are they going to watch the wagner the

00:46:35.100 wagner group go into moscow and depose putin who may have already run away or are they going to

00:46:41.400 intervene that's that's what it's going to come down to right now the fact that they have have as yet

00:46:46.720 not stopped the wagner group i think would suggest that they're going to let it happen

00:46:51.820 isn't that the big tell and correct me if i'm wrong here uh that when he went to rostov he

00:46:59.340 announced he was going to rostov he announced he was pulling his mercenary group off the front line

00:47:04.180 around bakmut in in donbass uh and it's not even an easy journey to get there but he went basically

00:47:10.400 to the land bridge to crimea where rostov is and he wasn't he announced he was going to go there and

00:47:16.420 he was met by the head of the russian southern command and at least at least on the video appeared

00:47:21.980 that you know they met with him and had a meeting with him there weren't any troops i mean there was

00:47:26.320 some fighting and some looks like people punching each other out or maybe uh vehicles going around

00:47:31.560 rostov but there was no armed defense and they certainly didn't put him under arrest isn't that a

00:47:35.920 if you're sitting in moscow that's a bad sign right where my southern command maybe they're teamed up 0.95

00:47:41.220 or said hey let this guy you know they'll figure it out as they get they move north

00:47:45.900 uh 100 look they're they're rolling north as i understand it there are varying reports on

00:47:52.500 how close the the wagner group is to moscow but look they're not fighting their way north i mean as

00:47:58.860 you say there is some fighting but basically they're rocking and rolling down a highway headed for moscow

00:48:05.340 okay well and and nobody's bombing you know nobody in any organized effective way is stopping them

00:48:13.680 from moving at 60 miles an hour down a highway so yeah that's that's a pretty big tell i would also

00:48:19.540 note that when putin made his big uh well his hurried announcement his video announcement uh

00:48:26.340 earlier uh as i understand it was recorded and broadcast not live that tells me he was already

00:48:35.000 worried at that point that worried about anybody knowing where he was so he was going to record

00:48:41.620 it and uh then boogie that's uh there are also the reports bouncing around that he's left moscow

00:48:47.680 so all of that so far smells like you know the really the guys that are going to determine how

00:48:54.660 this goes are are standing to one side at a minimum letting it happen if you're the if you're some of

00:49:02.200 these you know gang leaders isn't it pretty humiliating i know the ccp if you've got to come 0.98

00:49:07.860 out and do a thing like putin did and accuse a guy of treason and you're an armed rebellion you're

00:49:12.400 trying to start a civil war you know you're going to be stopped that in and of itself is pretty

00:49:17.220 humiliating right when you got to go on national tv and essentially convince the nation you know you

00:49:21.820 got to set the narrative so that the nation's in back of you in and of it that is a massive loss of

00:49:26.880 face as the way that the people like the ccp look at it uh sam fattis well without question and look 0.99

00:49:33.760 the russians know the reality i mean whether the ukrainians can retake all the territory that the

00:49:39.540 russians took that's a whole different deal right whether they can go on the offensive and take back 0.72

00:49:43.800 the territory separate deal but they know putin's he certainly hasn't achieved his objective from that

00:49:50.500 standpoint he lost the war they know they're pulling t62 tanks that were obsolete when i was

00:49:56.240 a tanker 40 years ago out of mothballs they know he's bleeding the country white and this is all about

00:50:02.540 the fact that he won't admit that they have failed and um you know that so what you know that yes they

00:50:10.420 see all of that and at some point the calculus maybe becomes you got to go man you're leaving us all

00:50:18.280 to ruin you got to get we got to find somebody else percorison in fact his his taped uh or his uh

00:50:26.700 diatribe uh called it out about the sources of war he said we were denazification the denazification

00:50:33.100 program in the securing of the donbass was going on fine we didn't need to go to kiev we didn't need a

00:50:39.120 we didn't need an offensive movement a year ago that we were taking care of this and we weren't going

00:50:43.860 to lose it what kind of impact do you think that has on people that that looks like one of the

00:50:48.240 things besides the armed element that really triggered putin your your thoughts

00:50:51.720 i i think people know that that look this is rewriting history right everybody knows what you tried

00:50:59.680 to do you tried to stage your own shock and op let's create up you thought you were going to be

00:51:04.640 in kiev in 72 hours the we've we've all seen now that the red army that took berlin in 1945

00:51:11.440 has long since ceased to exist we we know this is a disaster everybody knows that so you could lie

00:51:19.020 all you want broadcast i mean you know the russians have had people lie to them for forever so it

00:51:25.180 doesn't doesn't change the fact that they know they're being lied to and they know exactly how bad

00:51:29.500 this is can the can the can the russian army hold uh bakhmut and hold east the donbass and eastern

00:51:37.060 russian-speaking ukraine without the 25 000 man reputed mercenary army of uh of the wagner group

00:51:45.100 yeah i i think so i don't think that that doesn't equal they can hold literally every inch of

00:51:52.960 territory but you know what the russians have been doing for months now is building successive

00:51:58.440 defensive lines so they long since recognized that the offensive was over no matter what they say

00:52:05.500 publicly and now they just build building this massive series of successive defensive lines

00:52:11.260 to make it just way too costly for the ukrainians to ever be able to fight through that so the fact

00:52:18.260 that the ukrainians could bring them to a halt does not at all indicate the ukrainians can now retake

00:52:23.540 all that territory i mean we're we're in a stalemate where we've been for a long time and that's why we

00:52:28.040 should have been trying in my opinion to talk this thing down and get these people to the table a long

00:52:34.700 time ago instead of pouring jet fuel on the fire and have lindsey graham dance around smiling talking 1.00

00:52:42.040 about killing russians we should have been trying to bring this thing to a close uh sam real quickly

00:52:48.440 that are you concerned about who controls the nuclear weapons right now yeah 100 percent i mean

00:52:54.540 there are 40 different sites in russia where there are nuclear weapons there are roughly 6 000 nuclear

00:53:00.620 warhead there at least 1600 of those are operational these are rough numbers we have this so so so you

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Bannon's War Room - June 24, 2023

Episode 2831： The Mutiny In Russia

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