Stephen K. Bannon and Liz Trigg join host John Avril Lavigne in the War Room to discuss the indictments of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and why they think he can win the 2020 election. They also discuss why they don t think he should be nominated by the other party.
00:04:37.000A day of cleanup yesterday for House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, he held a call, called the
00:04:43.000former president yesterday to apologize, according to new reporting from our colleagues Melanie
00:04:48.000Zanona and Kristen Holmes, where he both apologized.
00:04:52.000He told the former president that he misspoke.
00:04:54.000And of course, he blamed reporters for taking the comments out of context, according to McCarthy.
00:05:01.000But that wasn't where it ended, Sarah.
00:05:03.000He also had an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, a right leaning news agency, to try to talk more about why he believed Donald Trump was the strongest candidate to beat Joe Biden.
00:05:15.000Later, his campaign sent out a fundraising email saying that Donald Trump was stronger than ever.
00:05:21.000This just goes to show you that Kevin McCarthy knows that his right flank is so important for him to hold on to his speakership.
00:05:30.000He cannot anger people in his conference who are getting behind the former president, who are fervently behind him at all times, no matter what that means in terms of defending Donald Trump.
00:05:41.000And that is why Kevin McCarthy went out of his way yesterday to go ahead and apologize to the former president.
00:05:47.000And then in subsequent interviews, make it clear that he does believe Donald Trump could be a strong contender to be Joe Biden in the 2024 presidential election.
00:06:53.000They are now totally savvy to what I've been telling them from the beginning, that you put the shiv in them every second of every day in these hapless investigations, this half hearted performative activity and what you've done on this budget.
00:07:09.000And now we know that the appropriation thing is all a joke is going to get a CR and on the bus and the four trillion dollars of Trump's tax tax is going to hit the day he takes the oath of office.
00:07:20.000All you've done is screw up this country. It's time for you to go, bro.
00:07:23.000And we don't need a motion to vacate. OK, and he grovels.
00:07:27.000I want to get that. But more importantly, is his mentor, his mentors, Paul Ryan.
00:07:31.000Those are very dangerous words that Paul Ryan are saying.
00:07:34.000And I can't understand why Murdoch, as corrupt as those foreigners are, how he can be on the board of directors, board of directors of a major company.
00:07:43.000I don't know how he's sitting on the board of directors of a major media company.
00:07:46.000And if you out there are a Fox watcher, I've said forever it's TV for stupid people because it is.
00:07:53.000But now it's dangerous TV because you just heard a board member.
00:07:57.000Please tell me in the history of this country where any board member of a media company has come out and said dangerous terms like that.
00:08:05.000And quite frankly, I think he's put Trump's life in jeopardy.
00:08:09.000He said that the election of Donald Trump would be dangerous.
00:08:12.000This is a board member of News Corp said that the election of Donald Trump would be dangerous for the country.
00:08:17.000Is he trying to I mean, is the Secret Service going to check into this?
00:08:43.000He is is a man in dire, dire need of a new pillow.
00:08:47.000But at the same time, even the CNBC host pushes back on him and says, wait a minute.
00:08:52.000That sounds like you're running a plot line out of that show succession where you're trying to meddle in the process of choosing the next president of the United States.
00:09:03.000Aren't you putting your finger on the scale?
00:09:05.000And then you can see Paul Ryan there with it.
00:09:07.000Look at the body language response that he has this huge.
00:09:10.000We call that a we call that a cluster motion where you can actually see his face, his arms, his everything.
00:09:20.000I'm just saying that it probably shouldn't be Trump.
00:09:23.000Look, even CNBC has got your number, Paul.
00:09:27.000You were Speaker of the House in the early days of the Trump administration.
00:09:31.000Steve, that's when you were in the Trump administration, when Paul Ryan did everything he could to stop the nationalist populist agenda from getting across.
00:09:40.000Yet they sat there and said, let's do some tax cuts.
00:09:42.000Let's go do a few of these other things.
00:09:44.000By the way, couldn't usher through the removal of Obamacare.
00:09:48.000OK, couldn't usher that through the Congress.
00:09:51.000That was one thing the establishment side was supposed to do early on in all of this.
00:10:21.000They've wanted to stop Trump and stop the MAGA movement from day one.
00:10:26.000This, by the way, this is the same Paul Ryan who all the way back during, remember, Steve, access Hollywood weekend.
00:10:34.000The fix was in and the plan was for Trump to drop out of the race.
00:10:42.000And then Paul Ryan was going to use his role not as Speaker of the House, but as chairman of the Republican National Convention to go in and change the nomination to Mike Pence at an event that they were going to be pre-scheduled.
00:11:00.000That was the original plan for Access Hollywood weekend.
00:11:03.000If and I'm just going to say it, if it wasn't for a guy by the name of Stephen K.
00:11:08.000Bannon and another guy by the name of Donald John Trump that said he ain't going nowhere.
00:11:14.000Jack, you bring up a good point to head Pence and things around though, Condi Rice on the ticket and Ryan dropped off that Friday night and then started trash talking us all day Saturday.
00:11:27.000And I told the president it doesn't matter what he says.
00:14:59.000Well, Congress once again allowed himself to be pushed into appeasing the administration and raising the debt ceiling for the 79th time, paving the way for continued reckless spending and further devaluation of the US dollar.
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00:17:19.000Patriots and the entire war room posse needs to take attention.
00:17:24.000Paul Ryan has been out of the game since essentially the end of 2018 publicly, but he's been behind the scenes, working the strings, working behind the curtain, doing everything he can to carry out the plan that he originally hatched all the way back in 2016.
00:17:43.000His role is to bring back the establishment.
00:17:47.000His role is to bring back conservative ink, that earlier order of the party, the Romneys, the Bushes, etc.
00:26:46.000If you go back in the original version of the 2016, right around the same time that Paul Ryan was just go back to the previous segment.
00:26:52.000Now, then during a lot of these guys, these never Trumpers who wrote that huge national review article that was front cover where Andy McCarthy's name is displayed very prominently there.
00:27:03.000This is the origination of the never Trump movement, where it was the national review against Trump issue.
00:27:12.000Well, what if you go back to the pre national review, Andy McCarthy, all the way back Stuxnet.
00:27:19.000And remember, Steve, this was the same league that General Cartwright was prosecuted for, not for the leaking, but for the lying, because Obama's people later came out and said, no, no, no.
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00:31:48.000Walk me through what's going on about this trafficking of children out of Ukraine.
00:31:52.000Well, Steve, this is a horrific story.
00:31:56.000And when Jim Cavisa and he's got the film out, Sound of Freedom Now, which is up and the tickets are there, people are saying that, you know, this guy has seen too much.
00:32:25.000It's the national it's the government of Ukraine putting this out that a trafficker in that region of Ukraine was stopped at the border.
00:32:33.000So this is the border between Ukraine and Slovakia, which is right next to the border of Ukraine and Hungary, just north of there.
00:32:40.000And a human trafficker, a child trafficker was stopped at the border attempting to steal an 11 year old baby with the intent to sell its organs.
00:32:51.000Now, that baby was rescued and was returned to the mother.
00:32:55.000However, the authorities have been looking for this guy because they have information that this is the third or fourth time that he's done this and had been able to sell multiple babies from these refugee women.
00:33:09.000And what they do, Steve, is that he walks up to these refugee women because, remember, the men can't leave the men.
00:33:15.000The fathers are forced to stay because of martial law inside Ukraine.
00:33:19.000They say they go to the women and it's understandable.
00:33:22.000The women, the children, they say, get out, get where you can be safe.
00:33:26.000The woman's going along, but they need money.
00:33:28.000They're not getting money that they need.
00:33:30.000And along comes these traffickers and they say, look, we are going to bring your child to safety.
00:33:38.000We're going to bring him to him or her to a family in Western Europe.
00:33:46.000They're going to be doing much better.
00:33:47.000And so what they're doing is they're hitting these vulnerable war refugees.
00:33:52.000They're going after the children and then they might even give them money up front.
00:33:56.000And it says in this instance in Transcarpathia there that he gave the woman's mother, the boy's mother, one thousand U.S. dollars down payment, said that he would offer a total of five thousand.
00:34:07.000The plan was to turn around, sell the kid for twenty five thousand dollars.
00:34:12.000This is an eleven month boy, Ukrainian child, little blonde haired kid.
00:34:19.000And I got to say, Steve, that's, you know, just looking at these pictures, it makes me think of my little boy at home.
00:36:20.000Right. Do you think there's an organized effort in that maybe government authorities on both sides or somehow?
00:36:25.000Because when you talk about a thousand dollars, the U.S. currency goes a long way over there.
00:36:29.000If you talk about twenty five thousand dollars for a for a baby, a little boy, you do a couple of those.
00:36:38.000There's a lot of money to spread around to do even more, is there not?
00:36:41.000Well, that's exactly right, Steve, because, OK, you can fire the one guy, but people need to understand that this guy is just the middleman.
00:36:49.000OK, and they actually show this very well in the Sound of Freedom movie.
00:36:53.000Now, that takes place in Latin America, South America.
00:36:56.000But it's the same type of process where there's a recruiter that later sells someone to a trader.
00:37:01.000The trader then goes sells to someone who is either a publisher or a filmmaker or essentially a pimp of these kids.
00:37:09.000And then they work with traffickers that are involved in child pornography in the U.S. from the digital on the Internet side.
00:37:16.000And that's where that's where Tim Ballard's character catches them.
00:37:19.000But we have to understand these are the upstream implements of how the children are put into the pipeline or funneled into the pipeline in the first place.
00:37:27.000So just because you're catching the people that are doing the procurement and right here, those are low level.
00:37:33.000OK, you need to go after the people that are that are upstream or I guess downstream in this case from this situation, because, OK, you knock down a couple of these guys.
00:37:42.000Guess what? They're going to have three, four, five more people willing to do this within minutes because people need to understand the extreme levels of poverty in this part of the world.
00:37:52.000The extreme levels of desperation caused by this war, the devastation that puts people in these situations in the first place is one of the reasons that over at Human Events that I know here is a worm as well that we've called for an immediate end to the war, an immediate call for peace, because you're worried about the people of Ukraine that are caught in the middle.
00:38:11.000Now, I'm just talking about the missile strikes. We're talking about people that are put into situations like this where mothers are selling their children, hoping the kids are going to a good place.
00:38:20.000And by the way, Steve, just because the guy says they're going to Western Europe, that doesn't mean that's where they're going to end up.
00:38:25.000A lot of them, they get put on boats. They're sent right into the Black Sea. Then they're taken down to the Middle East. They're taken down and they're gone there. And that, by the way, unfortunately, in that region of the world has a very, very long history.
00:38:38.100Jack, I want to bring up another element of this, and this is where they really go after Cavie so hard. And he mentioned on our show a couple of times that this is obviously this depravity and the reason that the sex trafficking is higher margin business than the than the drug trafficking is that these women and these little children on the pedophilia can be used over and over again for the sex.
00:39:05.500This was specifically about parts. And this was the gets into this big controversy that they say, oh, you know, Caviezel is a nut.
00:39:14.600But here we've had confirmation. I mean, this is what I keep saying, but the people all over, the Q guys, all of these other people, they're all nuts.
00:39:21.500But evidence keeps coming forward that maybe they're not so nutty. What was this guy? Was he selling it to a research university? Who would buy, purchase an 11-year-old baby for parts, sir?
00:39:36.500Well, that's exactly what they're saying. It's they specifically say that they were looking to sell these children for organs.
00:39:46.220Some of it, by the way, and if you understand the way the laws on this work in different parts of the Middle East, it may have also been for and this this happens in China as well, if you understand how it goes there.
00:39:57.680It has to do with illegal organ transplants. And the idea that in some of these countries, because they don't have the organ transplant banks like we do in the US, they don't have the controls, the regulations, the laws that we do in the US and in the West in general.
00:40:11.140There is essentially a black market for human organs.
00:40:15.140So the first thing they would do, of course, is check the blood type, they would check the age, they would check for any diseases, etc.
00:40:22.140And then they would go through and identify which organs people would need that would be most valuable on the black market in general.
00:40:30.600And then you can get them to one of these countries in Central Asia or the Middle East where they're able to perform one of these surgeries.
00:40:37.120And you're going to be sold to some rich mother, some rich family who needs it.
00:40:43.800The mother got the thousand bucks. What is and what do we understand about what the Ukrainians are doing?
00:40:50.040Look, these women are in terrible situations, obviously. Right. It's a war zone.
00:40:53.800I think 14 Maine have already tried to have left the country.
00:40:56.400But I mean, what happens when you turn your you turn your child over to a stranger for a better life, but it's a five thousand dollar payment is going to give you a thousand dollars down in cash.
00:41:07.760That transaction is problematic, is it not?
00:41:12.260Well, it is. And I think in this situation, because they did the Ukrainian police did publish and I'm looking right here.
00:41:17.740You can see it even in Daily Mail has this Ukraine Ukrainian National Police website has it up in Ukrainian where the child was returned to the mother.
00:41:25.200They're saying the mother didn't know. They're saying the mother thought it was sort of a a crisis adoption situation that the kid would be brought to one of these charity centers.
00:41:34.820And that really is the big problem, because when you go and we saw it last year in that region, when you go to one of these border centers, Steve, it's it's bedlam there.
00:41:43.620There's there's each organization has a different kiosk. There's cars coming in.
00:41:47.780There's traffic. There's taxis all over the place. People saying, come with me.
00:41:52.140Come here. This is where you need to go.
00:41:53.600No, the next guy says, no, you come here. This is where you need to go.
00:41:56.660We're going to offer this for that worker. And if you're just coming off of one of these trains, you've got no idea who these people are.
00:42:02.100You've got no idea who's legit and who's not.
00:42:04.460You've got people that could come in with fake IDs, with fake name tags, et cetera, and say, hey, we're from, you know, the Red Cross.
00:42:10.680We're here to help. We're helping the children out to come with us.
00:42:13.640We'll take care of them. This is exactly what they depict, by the way, in Sound of Freedom.
00:42:17.940In that case, they use a it's like a like a talent scouting agency where they say, oh, you're you know, we want your kids to be child models and we're going to take pictures of them, have them, you know, drop them off at the studio in the morning.
00:42:30.240And then when the dad comes to pick them up later in the evening, they're gone.
00:42:33.220And so in many of these cases, just as we've seen in other parts of the world, the parents are completely unwitting.
00:42:38.560They think the kid is going off to some great opportunity and they don't even realize that they're actually handing their own children over to child traffickers.
00:42:50.040Jack, I realize you've got to bounce. Can you stay through? We're going to take a short break.
00:42:52.700I just I want to get this situation in Russia because I think you've got you were kind enough to come on the Saturday morning show.
00:42:58.060And I think you've got probably the best handle on this of anyone out there.
00:43:01.880So if we can just take a short break or take a short commercial break, Jack Posobiec, I think the sound of freedom.
00:43:08.060This is one of the reasons this movie is important, not just to send a message to Hollywood, but I think to awaken yourself to this situation and a very disturbing occurrence in Ukraine today on the with the Slovakian border.
00:43:21.880But it led to some realization that this has happened a couple of three times with one guy.
00:43:27.400And I think the question has got to be in the U.S. government should be all over this.
00:43:32.800And quite frankly, the children of, you know, I think there's been 14 million refugees, either internal refugees or people that have left the country.
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00:46:29.900They went back to the guy's house, which is out there in a rural area of Ukraine.
00:46:34.660We don't know if he was holding the kids there or not at one point.
00:46:37.220I mean this thing looks like it's half finished.
00:46:39.620He's got money in there in secret compartments.
00:46:42.560He's got – a lot of it, unfortunately, Steve, just – and I have to say it, just like they said in Sound of Freedom, a lot of the currency this is conducted in is U.S. dollars.
00:46:54.660This isn't – this isn't grivna like the local currency in Ukraine.
00:46:58.740This is U.S. dollars we're talking about.
00:47:01.120Now, of course, U.S. dollars are potentially used in many regions like this because of the high fluctuations of money during the war.
00:47:08.620But we also have to point out this is U.S. dollars, this is cash, and people are conducting these types of transactions using king dollar, the almighty greenback.
00:47:19.700I'm going to try to get Kavis on here tomorrow.
00:47:27.020They're rolling up some Russian generals now.
00:47:28.640This is new warlords or guys that are complicit in this first mutiny?
00:47:32.520Well, Steve, the big rumor right now is all about General Serovkin.
00:47:39.100So General Serovkin was the leader at one point during what Russia calls the special military operation.
00:47:47.240He was the guy that ordered the withdrawal from Kherson down in the south.
00:47:50.660He's the guy who said, let's come back past the river beyond that initial assault on Kiev, the initial assault on Kharkov that didn't go very well for the Russians.
00:47:59.480So there's questions coming out without, and the Wall Street Journal's put this out, other Western media's pointed out, that this guy knew about the coup, coup attempt, mutiny attempt, insurrection, as we called it here on Saturday, by Yovine Prigozian and the leader of the Wagner Group before it took place.
00:48:20.640Now, the question is interesting because Serovkin would have been the highest level official who knew about it beforehand, but he was also the very first high level official in Russia to come out against the insurrection when it was taking place on Saturday, which is leading a lot of people to a lot of questions.
00:48:41.480So the Ukrainian side is saying he's been arrested.
00:48:44.720The Russian side is saying, no, no, no, he hasn't been arrested.
00:48:47.820But look, Steve, I think what's going on right now is the FSB and the Kremlin are doing everything they can to sweat these guys and find out who knew what, who was in on this, who wasn't.
00:48:59.340The Wall Street Journal, I think, has done a piece that is probably close to the truth early this morning.
00:49:07.000It dropped 7.32 a.m., where they said that Prigozian's plan to capture Russian military leadership, because, Steve, you remember here on Saturday, I said Prigozian was never calling out Putin.
00:49:18.820He was calling out Shoigu and Gerasimov.
00:49:21.880Those are the guys that are leading the Ministry of Defense in Russia right now.
00:49:25.120And what the war room posse and what everyone needs to understand is that these guys weren't coming in saying that they were against the war.
00:49:32.660These guys weren't coming in saying, oh, we need to cut a deal, right, even though Prigozian said some stuff like that on Saturday.
00:50:13.040Prigozian originally intended to capture Shoigu and Gerasimov during a visit to the southern region that borders Ukraine that the two were planning.
00:50:22.660But the FSB found out about the plan two days before it was to be executed.
00:50:29.080We, of course, know that trip never took place because a lot of people were asking the question, why did Wagner Group roll into this city and directly target the southern military command if nobody was in there?
00:50:38.880Well, the answer is they thought that Shoigu and Gerasimov were supposed to be in there.
00:50:45.200And then once they realized they weren't, Prigozian was basically stuck.