Bannon's War Room - July 26, 2023


Episode 2907： Administrative Terrorism; Misappropriation Of Funds And Disinformation Of The Government


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In this episode, we discuss UFO encounters involving commercial airline pilots and the government's cover-up efforts to keep them silent about them. Listen to the full episode to find out what the government is hiding from the public about these encounters.

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00:00:00.000 information. But it was very brutal and very unfortunate, some of the tactics they used to
00:00:06.480 hurt me both professionally and personally, to be quite frank.
00:00:10.960 It's very unfortunate. As they say, when you're over the target, that's when they do the most
00:00:14.900 firing at you. Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured
00:00:19.100 in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?
00:00:23.280 Yes. Personally.
00:00:27.120 Have anyone been murdered that you know of or have heard of, I guess?
00:00:33.200 I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the
00:00:37.360 appropriate authorities. Maybe if we could get in a confidential area of SCIF, we could
00:00:44.800 talk about that. But unfortunately, we were denied access to the SCIF, and that's very unfortunate in
00:00:52.480 this scenario. Mr. Favor, do you believe that you witnessed an additional object under the water
00:01:02.880 in relation to your encounter?
00:01:04.160 I will say we did not see an object. There was something there to cause the whitewater,
00:01:09.120 and when we turned around, it was gone. So there was something there that obviously moved.
00:01:12.240 Okay. It was not the same object, though, that you were looking at, correct?
00:01:17.040 No. We actually joked that the Tic Tac was communicating with something when we came back
00:01:21.520 because the whitewater disappeared.
00:01:23.520 We were, in another instance, were told about the capabilities of a jamming during viewing of some,
00:01:32.000 when there were some people chasing some of these objects. Did you experience any of that jamming or
00:01:36.720 interrupting your radar or weapons system? My crew that launched after we landed experienced
00:01:41.680 significant jamming to the APG-73 radar, which was what we had on board, which is a mechanically
00:01:46.160 scanned, very high-end system prior to the APG-79. And yes, it did pretty much everything you could do,
00:01:52.640 range, velocity, aspect, and then it spit the lock, and the targeting pod is passive. That's what we were
00:01:57.920 able to get the video on. I'm about to run out of time, but are you aware of any of our enemies that
00:02:02.880 have that capability? No. Okay. I would also like to know, for the record, that, like George Knapp,
00:02:10.960 breaking Area 51, he's the reason I knew about that. And the reason I know about the Tic Tacs is
00:02:16.160 Leslie Keen from New York Times article, and I would encourage everybody to read that.
00:02:22.240 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yield back to you for no time. Very good. Mr. Raskin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
00:02:29.280 Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I think, and have since come
00:02:38.400 forward to warn the Pentagon that these encounters may be putting pilots at risk.
00:02:47.760 My first question is, you've identified these as taking place on the East Coast. Is it just on the
00:02:53.760 East Coast where these encounters have been reported? No. Since the events initially occurred,
00:03:00.960 I've learned that the objects have been detected essentially where all operations, Navy operations,
00:03:06.480 are being conducted across the world. And that's from the All-Domain Anomaly Resolutions Office reporting.
00:03:12.560 All right. Can you describe your experience after you decided to come forward
00:03:16.880 and go public with your experience? Certainly. Like many others in 2017, I saw the New York Times
00:03:25.600 article come out as well. And for me, it was special because I recognized the voices on the video.
00:03:32.080 I recognized the video itself. I had seen it when it was taken. I seen it when it was debriefed.
00:03:37.680 And so that was kind of shook me because I realized that this problem was still ongoing. And so I reached
00:03:43.040 out to colleagues back on the East Coast and realized that this was still a safety risk that
00:03:47.120 they were dealing with, that they had essentially hit a wall with how they could move forward on
00:03:50.640 this conversation. It was at that point when I decided to try to move the conversation forward myself.
00:03:57.360 Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots? And can you
00:04:02.560 describe what the convergence of descriptions is? Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or
00:04:09.120 black cubes inside of a clear sphere. I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes?
00:04:13.520 Yes, inside of a clear sphere where the apex or tips of the cube were touching the inside of that sphere.
00:04:19.680 And that was primarily what was being reported when we were able to gain a visual tally of these
00:04:24.000 objects. And that occurred over almost eight years. And as far as I know, it's still occurring.
00:04:28.160 Um, so I take it that you're arguing what we need is real transparency in a reporting system
00:04:37.680 so we can get some clarity on what's going on out there because there are many pilots in your
00:04:42.720 situation. Um, but we should have a way of developing a systematic inventory of all of
00:04:50.080 such encounters. Is that right? Yes. And I think we need both transparency and the reporting. We have
00:04:54.640 the reporting, but we need to make sure that information can be promulgated to commercial aviation as
00:04:58.800 well as the rest of the populace. Um, Mr. Grush, what about you? What was your experience after you came forward?
00:05:04.560 Well, uh, it's only been about two months or so. So I guess my experience has been, you know,
00:05:11.200 overwhelming support from, uh, former colleagues of mine that have, you know, privately messaged me.
00:05:15.760 And, and I do appreciate that. Uh, but I, I do have knowledge of, um, active planned, uh, reprisal
00:05:23.840 activity against myself and other colleagues. And it's very, very upsetting to me. Coming from where?
00:05:28.640 Uh, certain senior leadership at previous agencies I was associated with.
00:05:33.840 And that's all I'll say publicly, but I can provide more details in a closed environment.
00:05:38.800 Okay. Well, I, I hope you understand that, um, there would be bipartisan rejection of any attempt,
00:05:46.000 uh, to vilify, demonize, or engage in other reprisals against our witnesses and people who are telling
00:05:53.920 the truth from their perspective. Yeah, there were certain colleagues of mine that were brutally
00:05:57.920 administratively attacked. And it, you know, actually makes me very upset, uh, as a leader
00:06:02.720 to see that happen to other coworkers and actually superiors of mine over the last three years.
00:06:07.360 How do you account for that response? That, that seems like a bizarre response.
00:06:11.120 Uh, I call it administrative terrorism. That's their, their quiver, their tool in the toolbox,
00:06:16.080 uh, to silence people, especially, you know, the, uh, career government service cares about their career,
00:06:22.080 cares about their clearance, uh, their reputation to climb the ladder. And when you threaten that,
00:06:27.120 uh, flow, career path, uh, a lot of people back off. Um, but I'm here to represent those people, so.
00:06:34.480 Um, Mr. Fravor, what, what about you? Um, what has your experience been since you've come forward
00:06:42.240 with your perspective on this? Actually, I've been treated very well. And the six people that were
00:06:47.200 involved, myself included, all of them have, or will be retiring from the military as 05s or 06s.
00:06:53.600 And all my friends that are very senior, three and four stars, I've talked to them. They, they
00:06:58.800 believe, they, they understand there's a problem, but no, I've, I was actually treated really well.
00:07:02.480 And, and what is your general interpretation, um, of these phenomena? Or what is your
00:07:12.800 current thinking of trying to make sense of them? Well, I'll say, you know, I'm not like a UFO
00:07:17.840 fanatic. It's not, it's not me, but I will tell you that what we saw with four sets of eyes
00:07:25.120 over a five minute period, still, there's nothing, we have nothing close to it. It was, it was amazing to
00:07:31.280 see. I told my buddy I wanted to fly it. But yeah, it's just an incredible technology.
00:07:36.480 All right, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. I'll yield back to you.
00:07:40.800 Uh, thanks. And Ms. Luna.
00:07:44.480 Mr. Grush, in speaking to you yesterday, um, I just wanted to follow up on
00:07:50.880 Representative Raskin's questions. In the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have
00:07:58.080 caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues?
00:08:02.560 Yes, personally.
00:08:03.280 Okay. I just want everyone to note that he's coming forward in fear of his life to put in perspective,
00:08:09.680 if they were really not scared about this information coming out, why would someone be intimidated like
00:08:13.840 that? Um, to your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign governments in either
00:08:20.640 technology exchange programs or back engineering programs?
00:08:23.680 I don't have data on that. I'm not sure. Have you heard or you had people come forward to present
00:08:29.440 that evidence? Not that particular evidence that you just espoused. Okay. On the 19th of April,
00:08:35.840 Dr. Kirkpatrick, head of Arrow, had said that he did not find any evidence of UAPs. You also stated that
00:08:41.840 you had, um, in your interview that you had briefed him on information that you were uncovering, but that
00:08:46.720 he did not follow up with you. Were the items that you divulged to him pertinent to national security?
00:08:52.080 Yes. Uh, him and I had a classified conversation in April, 2022, before he took over Arrow in the
00:09:00.000 July, uh, 2022, and I provided him some concerns I had.
00:09:04.240 Do you know why he might not have fallen up with you?
00:09:08.400 Uh, I'm, unfortunately I cannot read his mind. Um, I wish he did. I was, I was happy to give sage
00:09:13.920 counsel to him on, uh, where to look when he took the, the helm of Arrow.
00:09:17.680 Okay. And then my last question for you before I move to Mr. Graves is, um, you received prior
00:09:24.000 approval from the Defense Department to speak on certain issues, correct?
00:09:26.640 Correct. Through, uh, DOPSR, DOD Pre-Publication and Security Review. And I just want to remind
00:09:32.480 the public, uh, they're just looking from a security perspective. Uh, these are my own personal views and
00:09:38.080 opinions, uh, not the Department's. Okay. I'm, I'm asking that though mainly because I think that there
00:09:43.200 are many people that would like to discredit you. So it does bring a certain amount of credibility
00:09:48.000 to your testimony. I'm required by law to do that as a former intelligence officer or I go to jail
00:09:52.800 for revealing classified information. Yeah, we don't want you to go to jail. Um,
00:09:56.320 my next question would actually be for Mr. Graves. Um, can you please explain to me in detail the event
00:10:03.920 that occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base? Certainly. Uh, in the 2003 timeframe, uh, a large group of
00:10:13.120 Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when
00:10:17.600 they observed a very large hundred yard sided, uh, red square, uh, approach the base from the ocean
00:10:26.640 and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities. Um, this object remained for about 45
00:10:32.880 seconds or so before darting off over the mountains. Um, there was a similar event within 24 hours later
00:10:38.800 in the evening. Uh, this was a morning event, uh, I believe 8 45 in the morning, later in the evening,
00:10:44.560 post sunset. Uh, there were, uh, reports of other sightings on base, uh, including some aggressive
00:10:50.000 behaviors. Uh, these objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds, uh, before
00:10:54.880 darting off. Uh, and this is information that was received through one of the, uh, witnesses that have
00:11:00.080 approached me at Americans for Safe Aerospace. Was this documented in any official form, whether it was a
00:11:05.360 police blotter? Yes. They had official documentation and records from the event that the witness, uh,
00:11:10.720 held over the years. And I'm not going to ask you to do it right now for time reasons, but you would
00:11:14.880 be able to sketch what was witness, correct? And you've, have you seen that before on any other
00:11:19.520 equipment and or during your flight time? I have not seen what they've described. Um,
00:11:23.600 this object was estimated to be almost the size of a football field. Um, and I have not seen anything
00:11:28.320 personally that large. Okay. And then, um, another question on follow-up referencing the gimbal video,
00:11:33.520 go fast incident. Um, can you just clarify, because to our understanding, the footage was
00:11:38.000 actually cut off at a certain point, but what happens at the end of that video, just for those
00:11:41.840 Americans specifically there that are wanting to know about the rest of that footage? Certainly,
00:11:45.680 uh, there was some uncertainty or, um, you know, instability with the object. It seemed to rock a bit.
00:11:50.640 Uh, and that's the last, uh, last I had seen in the video. Much of the data that I would recommend
00:11:55.680 be analyzed would consist of radar data, uh, that would provide precise kinematics on the object,
00:12:01.120 as well as the fleet of objects that were operating nearby. Okay. And follow up, uh,
00:12:04.640 in regards to the reporting procedures that Mr. Garcia had addressed on, as well as, uh,
00:12:08.640 representative Burchett with the FAA, to your understanding pilots that are seeing this
00:12:13.680 commercial airline pilots, are they receiving, um, cease and desist letters from corporations
00:12:18.160 for coming forward with information in regards to safety for potential air airline passengers?
00:12:23.520 I have been made privy to a conversation with commercial, uh, aviators who have received
00:12:28.080 cease and desist orders. So the American public should know that corporations are putting their
00:12:32.480 own reputations on the basic, not the line, but ahead of the safety of the American people.
00:12:38.480 And I think, would you agree with that statement? It appears so. Okay. Um, and I guess this would be
00:12:43.520 my last, oh, I'm out of time. I yield. I'll be back. Good. Mr. Moskowitz. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
00:12:53.520 Uh, gentlemen, uh, gentlemen, let's talk about the laws of physics for a second. Uh, Mr. Graves and,
00:13:00.080 and Commander Faber, I heard you talk about speed. When, uh, those objects broke, uh, the sound
00:13:06.880 barrier, did they make a sonic boom? I was in a jet. You can't hear anything. It's kind of loud in there.
00:13:14.080 Yeah. You, you're not able to actually, uh, personally tell within the vehicle. I will say
00:13:18.160 the objects that we were seeing, they were spherical, uh, and they were observed up the Mach 2,
00:13:22.000 uh, which is a very, uh, non-aerodynamic shape. What about G-forces? Let's talk about G-forces of
00:13:27.280 those vehicles. Could a human survive those G-forces with known technology today? No. No,
00:13:33.040 not for the acceleration rates that we observed. Okay. What about what they look like? How close
00:13:38.160 did you get? Did you see a seam or a rivet or a section? And what I mean is obviously the jets
00:13:44.400 you're flying have all those things. Did these objects have those? Do you want to go right? I didn't have,
00:13:50.400 I didn't have the detail to be able to tell that. So we got within a half mile at Tic Tac, which
00:13:54.800 people say that's pretty far, but it's in airplanes, that's actually relatively close.
00:13:58.720 No, it was perfectly white, smooth, no windows. Although when we did take the
00:14:03.360 original FLIR video that is out there, when you put it on a big screen, it actually had two little
00:14:07.600 objects that came out of the bottom of it. Um, but other than that, no, no windows, no seams, no nothing.
00:14:13.120 Mr. Grush, as a result of your previous government work, have you met with people with direct
00:14:17.600 knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non-human origin craft?
00:14:21.120 Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals. Mr. Grush, as a result of your previous government
00:14:26.960 work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself
00:14:30.880 about ATs, advanced technologies that the U.S. government has?
00:14:34.160 Based on conventional advanced tech, I was briefed to the preponderance of the defense
00:14:42.960 departments, both space and aerospace compartmental programs, yeah.
00:14:46.400 Mr. Do you have knowledge or do you have reason to believe that there are programs
00:14:50.560 in the advanced tech space that are unsanctioned?
00:14:52.880 Mr. Yes, I do.
00:14:54.960 Mr. Okay, and when you say that they're above congressional oversight, what do you mean?
00:14:59.920 Mr. A complicated question. So there's, you know, some, I would call it abuse here. So
00:15:07.120 congressional oversight of conventional special access programs, and I'll use Title 10, so DOD
00:15:13.360 as an example, right? So 10 U.S. Code Section 119 discusses congressional oversight of SAPs,
00:15:19.120 discusses the DepSecDef's ability to waive congressional reporting. However, the Gang of Eight is at least
00:15:25.680 supposed to be notified if a, you know, waived or waived bigoted unacknowledged SAP is created,
00:15:30.560 and that's public law.
00:15:32.000 Mr. Well, so that how does, I mean, I don't want to cut you off, but how does a program like that get funded?
00:15:35.840 Mr. I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a closed session,
00:15:41.680 but a misappropriation of funds and self-fund.
00:15:45.680 Mr. Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is said to go to a program,
00:15:49.520 but it doesn't, and it goes to something else?
00:15:51.120 Mr. Yes, I have specific knowledge of that, yep.
00:15:52.560 Mr. Do you think U.S. corporations are overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the U.S.
00:15:58.320 government, and that additional money is going to programs?
00:16:00.560 Mr. Correct, through something called IRAD.
00:16:02.720 Mr. Okay.
00:16:03.440 Mr. Satellite imagery. Let's talk about satellite imagery. We have satellites all over the place,
00:16:10.720 some that we're aware of, and many that we're not aware of, right? We're taking pictures of
00:16:16.640 everything at every point and second. Mr. Grush, are you aware, do you have direct knowledge,
00:16:21.520 or do we talk to people with direct knowledge, that there are satellite imagery of these events?
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00:17:54.720 It's one of my primary tasks at NGA since we process, exploit, and disseminate that kind of information.
00:18:01.600 I've seen multiple cases, some of which, to my understanding, and of course, I left NGA in April,
00:18:06.000 so that's my information cutoff date. But I personally reviewed both what we call overhead
00:18:12.480 collection and from other strategic and tactical platforms that were, I could not even explain
00:18:18.160 prosaically. And I have a degree in physics, by the way, as well. And I had, I am aware that you guys
00:18:24.480 have not seen these reports, unfortunately. And I don't know why.
00:18:28.640 Do you have direct knowledge, or have you spoken to people with direct knowledge,
00:18:33.280 that this imagery applies to crash sites, crash imagery?
00:18:37.600 I can't discuss that in an open session.
00:18:41.520 Okay. Do you have any information that the U.S. government is involved in a disinformation campaign
00:18:49.600 to deny the existence of certain UAPs?
00:18:53.520 I can't go beyond what I've already stated publicly in my News Nation interview,
00:18:58.480 because it touches other sensitivities.
00:19:00.000 Okay. I'll yield the balance of my time back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
00:19:09.760 Ms. Fox.
00:19:10.400 Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank our witnesses for being here today.
00:19:17.760 Mr. Garouche, in your sworn testimony, you state that the United States government has retrieved
00:19:24.640 supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP-related artifacts. You go so far as to state
00:19:33.920 that the U.S. is in possession of, quote, non-human spacecraft, end quote, and that some of these artifacts
00:19:42.240 have circulated with defense contractors. Several other former military and intelligence officials have
00:19:49.440 come forward with similar allegations, albeit in non-public settings. However, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick,
00:19:58.880 the director of AARO previously testified before Congress that there has been, and I quote,
00:20:07.840 no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or of, quote, off-world technology brought to
00:20:20.160 the attention of the office. To your knowledge, is that statement correct?
00:20:26.080 Mr. It's not accurate. I believe Dr. Kirkpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come
00:20:33.920 to AARO thus far. A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed. Okay.
00:20:39.200 Mr. And I know what they provided Dr. Kirkpatrick and their team. Okay.
00:20:42.800 Mr. I was able to evaluate that information. Okay, I need to go on.
00:20:46.560 Mr. Sure.
00:20:47.200 Mr. But my understanding that this, his statement is accurate, came from a direct quote. And this
00:20:59.120 contradiction is a perfect example of why we need to inject transparency into our government. And for
00:21:06.880 another example, look no further than the pitiful response to the Chinese spy balloon debacle earlier
00:21:14.080 this year. You may remember the mass confusion that ensued when the balloon was first spotted over
00:21:20.160 Montana, four days after it first entered US airspace over Alaska. The Biden administration's
00:21:27.200 initial inability to address the object grew into a continuous series of embarrassments. After news of
00:21:35.200 the balloon reached the mainstream media, we were assured that the balloon posed no threat to our
00:21:41.920 security. However, after the balloon was allowed to transit the entire continental United States,
00:21:48.640 fighter jets were scrambled off the coast of South Carolina to shoot it down. This flip-flopping and
00:21:55.280 obfuscation caused needless confusion, fear and panic across the country. It's my hope, Mr. Chairman,
00:22:03.280 that this sort of confusion will not be repeated. We should investigate the extent to which elements
00:22:10.240 of our government possess or do not possess information that is of critical value to the
00:22:17.680 American people. We owe it to the citizens of this nation to make sure that our government is transparent
00:22:24.400 and accountable. We must make sure that our government provides answers,
00:22:29.680 and Congress must do its duty to solicit those answers. With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
00:22:39.120 Yeah. Mr. Frost.
00:22:41.840 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In 2022, NASA announced that it was commissioning an independent study
00:22:48.480 team to examine UAPs. The NASA team is comprised of scientists across different fields, as well as
00:22:54.640 former astronauts and pilots. In May, the independent study team held that its first public meeting,
00:23:01.360 which included the perspectives from NASA senior leaders, as well as perspectives from the Department
00:23:06.400 of Defense and intelligence agencies. The NASA study team is also expected to release its first report
00:23:12.880 pretty soon, and I think it's safe to say that we all eagerly await its results. Mr. Graves, how might
00:23:19.840 NASA's research influence the commercial industry regarding safety and UAP? I think NASA has a big role
00:23:26.240 to play as far as commercial aviation safety, and it's one of their original charges as an organization.
00:23:32.160 One of the recommendations that have been put forward is to utilize their existing aviation safety reporting system to
00:23:37.600 serve as a short-term fill and trusted platform for pilots that want to report on UAP.
00:23:42.560 It also has built-in analytics capability and is funded by Congress.
00:23:46.480 Gotcha. And also, Mr. Graves, are there any other industries that may be influenced by the NASA
00:23:51.440 research on the UAPs? And if so, how so? Well, I think there is a large swath of commercial
00:23:57.600 capabilities that could be brought to bear on this topic from space-based or ground-based sensor systems
00:24:02.160 that are available open source or through commercial marketplaces. And I think NASA's work,
00:24:06.960 as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters that can be found, we can take that
00:24:11.200 information and promulgate this through the public sector so that we can have more open conversation
00:24:16.560 about what we're seeing. You know, in 2020, the Department of Defense released several videos
00:24:22.000 of UAPs, including Mr. Freyer's experience, U.S. Navy pilots that recorded footage. In 2021,
00:24:30.480 the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a preliminary report on UAP events. NASA
00:24:36.800 Administrator Bill Nelson stated that NASA would begin to investigate these events. In fact,
00:24:42.560 I sit on Science, Space and Technology Committee, and when we were doing a hearing with the NASA
00:24:47.120 Administrator Bill Nelson, I asked, you know, why NASA needed to be fully funded. And there were many
00:24:53.200 great reasons, but one of them was actually had to do with UAPs. He actually mentioned, you know,
00:24:58.640 is there life out there? I don't know. And so either way, these actions ultimately led NASA
00:25:05.040 to assemble the independent study team that I mentioned earlier. Also in 2021, Harvard University
00:25:11.200 stood up the Galileo Project to research and examine the origins of UAP. So it seems like both,
00:25:17.760 you know, from NASA and in the higher education community, because of the work that y'all have done
00:25:23.680 and people standing up, you know, I think we're seeing some of that stigma slowly going away.
00:25:30.000 Mr. Freyer, do you believe that military pilots feeling empowered to share their UAP experiences
00:25:35.920 has directly impacted the scientific community's research goals on this topic?
00:25:43.280 I would say yes. I would say that, you know, starting in 2017, when it actually came out,
00:25:47.520 it took that stigma away. I mean, I've talked to multiple senators who said prior to that,
00:25:51.520 if you'd have mentioned UAP, you'd have been laughed off the hill. And now you were sitting
00:25:56.240 here today for a public testimony on what's actually going on. You know, I'm hoping that
00:26:01.680 this curve will be more of an exponential and we'll get more and more transparent to the level that we
00:26:06.480 can. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, it's important. I couldn't imagine, you know, I'm not a pilot,
00:26:12.400 but I used to fly gliders in Civil Air Patrol. Huh? Yeah, I got it. You know. And so either way,
00:26:21.360 I mean, I couldn't imagine, you know, being, being in the glider and seeing something and then not
00:26:28.000 feeling like I had the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of
00:26:33.520 seeking scientists to sit on your advisory board? Absolutely. I think ultimately this is going to be
00:26:38.400 a scientific problem. And not only that, it's also an engineering problem. I've been working
00:26:43.840 with American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics to help them stand up a UAP
00:26:47.600 integration committee to help integrate their engineering prowess into this problem. And so,
00:26:52.000 yes, very much, I think this is an engineering and scientific problem as much as a national security
00:26:56.240 problem. And how might Congress help to facilitate partnerships between the scientific community and
00:27:01.680 the UAP focus groups within government? Well, I think one of the things they can do is to have these
00:27:06.400 types of hearings to communicate to the public that this is a topic of interest. I think that there
00:27:11.360 is a pseudo market, if you will, of interested capabilities and talent that want to approach
00:27:15.840 this topic. And we're seeing that start to grow now. So I think continued conversation reduction of
00:27:20.800 stigma is going to allow that to flourish and allow answers to help generate themselves.
00:27:24.960 A hundred percent. Well, thank you all for being here. Thank you for your work. I think it's important
00:27:28.640 that we keep our top scientific minds focused on this issue and look for ways to increase collaboration.
00:27:34.800 Thank you so much. I yield back. Mr. Comer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me say I want to thank you
00:27:40.720 for having this hearing. And I want to thank Mr. Burchett and Ms. Luna for leading this hearing. And with
00:27:45.200 that, I yield by five minutes to Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm going to direct this,
00:27:50.880 I believe, to Mr. Grush. But if any of you all feel like you need to jump in, just jump right in. We're good.
00:27:57.680 Has the U.S. government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial, otherwise unexplained
00:28:02.560 forms of intelligence? And if so, when do you think this first occurred?
00:28:07.920 I like to use the term non-human. I don't like to denote origin. It keeps the aperture open,
00:28:12.240 both scientifically. Certainly, like I've discussed publicly previously in the 1930s.
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00:29:36.960 Can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct first-hand knowledge and access to some
00:29:42.800 of this crash retrieval, some of these crash retrieval programs, and maybe which facilities,
00:29:47.680 military bases that would, the recovered material would be in? And I know a lot of Congress have
00:29:52.720 talked about we're going to go to Area 51 and, you know, and there's nothing there anymore anyway.
00:29:58.560 It's just, you know, and we move like a glacier. As soon as we announce it, I'm sure the moving vans would
00:30:03.200 pull up, but please. I can't discuss that publicly, but I did provide that information both to the intel
00:30:10.080 committees and the inspector general. And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed to get in
00:30:13.920 a SCIF with you. Would that be probably what you would think? Sure, if you had the appropriate accesses, yeah.
00:30:19.440 What special access programs cover this information, and how is it possible that they have evaded oversight
00:30:25.920 for so long? I do know the names. Once again, I can't discuss that publicly and how they've evaded oversight.
00:30:34.160 In a closed setting, I can tell you the specific tradecraft use. All right. When do you think those
00:30:39.840 programs began and who authorized them? I do know a lot of that information, but that's something
00:30:46.800 I can't discuss publicly because of sensitivity. All right. If any of y'all want to jump in on any of
00:30:50.720 this, you're more than welcome to. What level of security clearance is required to fully access these
00:30:57.200 programs? Well, anybody who has- And I say that because myself,
00:31:03.680 Representative Gates and Representative Luna were basically turned away at one point at Eglin,
00:31:09.440 so please go right ahead. Certainly difference between member access and say somebody like me,
00:31:14.320 but anybody who has a, you know, TSSCI clearance and meets the eligibility criteria,
00:31:18.720 the access adjudicative authority should be able to grant you access.
00:31:21.600 Mr. Burchard, if you'll yield, so just to be put a fine point on that, there's nothing that you're
00:31:27.440 aware of that's above special access program classification. It's a misnomer that there's
00:31:32.880 anything actually above top secret. Executive Order 13-526 delineates the classification levels.
00:31:38.000 Right. But I draw a point on that because we can have access to those programs, and so the notion that
00:31:45.200 we're not being given that access sort of defies our typical muscle memory here in Congress. Thank you,
00:31:49.760 Mr. Burchard. I'll yield back to you. Thank you, Mr. Gates. Along those lines, Title 10, you may not
00:31:55.120 know this or not, but Title 10 and Title 50 authorization, they seem to say they're inefficient.
00:32:02.880 So who gets to decide this, in your opinion, in the past? It's a group of career
00:32:10.640 senior executive officials. Okay. Are they government officials?
00:32:15.520 Both in and out. Do what? Both in and out of government,
00:32:19.120 and that's about as far as I go there. I got you. All right. Well, that leads to my next question.
00:32:24.560 Which private corporations are directly involved in this program? How much taxpayer money has been
00:32:30.160 invested in these programs, to your knowledge? I mean, we know we audit the Pentagon every year,
00:32:37.440 and I've been here five years and they failed the dadgum thing every year. They lose over a billion
00:32:43.440 dollars a year, we think. And I was told the Department of Defense maybe 60 percent of their
00:32:47.600 assets are unaccounted for, whatever the heck that means. In the public sector, you go to jail for that
00:32:53.200 kind of crap. So tell me. Yeah, I know when I'm a dollar off of my DTS travel voucher, I get hammered,
00:33:00.160 but it seems like it doesn't work the other way. If you sell over six, if you sell over six hundred
00:33:03.760 dollars worth of stuff on eBay now, you get a call from the IRS. So please, what corporations? Yeah,
00:33:09.200 I don't know the specific metrics towards the end of your question. The specific corporations I did
00:33:13.520 provide to the committees in specific divisions, and I spent 11 and a half hours with both intel
00:33:20.160 committees. Okay. Has there been any, has there been an active U.S. government disinformation campaign
00:33:26.080 to deny the existence of unidentified aerial phenomena? And if so, why? I can't go beyond what
00:33:33.440 I've already exposed publicly about that. Ask him what he said to get it into the record.
00:33:50.320 Okay, I've been told to ask you what that, what that is and how to get it in the record.
00:33:56.080 What, which, uh... What have you stated publicly in your interviews for the congressional record?
00:34:00.960 Uh, if you, uh, reference my News Nation interview and I talk about a multi-decade,
00:34:07.200 you know, campaign to, um, disenfranchise public interest, basically.
00:34:11.360 Sorry, Ms. Chairman, I've gone.
00:34:11.840 Yeah. Thank you.
00:34:12.880 I apologize, Mr. Chairman. I yield back negative 21 seconds.
00:34:16.640 Thank you. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez?
00:34:20.000 Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to our witnesses for coming here today. Um, I do concur with
00:34:26.000 the ranking member, as well as several other members here on this committee, that, uh, this is a committee for
00:34:30.320 whistleblowers and for the protection of whistleblowers, as well. So we understand, uh, what
00:34:34.640 you're putting, um, on the table here and what you're putting on the line here, and we thank you for
00:34:38.560 that. Uh, Mr. Grush, you sat on the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Task Force created in the 2020
00:34:44.480 NDAA, correct? Yes.
00:34:45.760 Uh, there have been some things that, uh, that have been mentioned here during this hearing that I wanted to
00:34:51.520 pick up on. Um, Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answers to one of your
00:34:56.320 questions, you named Boeing contractors, um, being engaged in an incident regarding this red cube
00:35:03.120 about a football, um, a football field wide. I was wondering if you could speak a little bit about
00:35:09.120 the interaction, or Mr. Grush, either of you, the interactions between defense contractor companies
00:35:14.720 and any UAP related programs or activities. So I'll just say that the information about, uh,
00:35:20.720 the contractor himself were provided by a witness, and I have no particular detail in that relationship.
00:35:25.600 Mr. Grush. Uh, the kind of general unclassed wavetops, uh, certainly the contractors, you know,
00:35:31.200 are the metalbenders, so to speak, the ones actually, uh, doing specific report, uh, performance on
00:35:36.240 government contracts. Are they required, um, to issue any disclosure regarding UAP sightings, or do they
00:35:42.240 engage in any, uh, reporting around this? Uh, in terms of the contractors? Yes. Not that I'm aware of.
00:35:47.520 They do not. Okay. Now, when it comes to notification that you had mentioned about, um,
00:35:54.400 um, IRAP programs, IRAD programs, we have seen, uh, defense contractors abuse, uh, their contracts
00:36:03.760 before through this committee. Um, I have seen it personally, um, and I have also seen the notification
00:36:09.360 requirements to Congress abused. Um, I am wondering, um, one of the loopholes that we see in the law
00:36:16.320 is that there is, at least from my vantage point, is that depending on what we're seeing is that there
00:36:22.400 are no actual definitions or requirements for notification. Are there, what methods of
00:36:29.200 notification did you observe? Like, when they say they notified Congress, how did they do that? Do you
00:36:34.400 have insight into that? Uh, for certain IRAD activities? Uh, that'd be, uh, I can only think
00:36:41.280 of ones conventional in nature. Um, sometimes they throw, uh, flow through certain, I'll just say,
00:36:47.040 SAP programs that have cognizant authority over the Air Force or something. And those are
00:36:52.320 congressionally reported compartments, but IRAD is literally internal to the contractor. So, as long
00:36:57.840 as it's money, either profits, private investment, et cetera, they can do whatever they want. And so, to put a finer point on it,
00:37:03.360 when there is a requirement for any agency or company to notify, or any agency to notify Congress,
00:37:11.040 do they contact the chairman of a committee? Do they get them on the phone specifically? Is this
00:37:16.160 through an email to, hypothetically, a dead email box? Uh, a lot of it comes through what they call the
00:37:22.800 PPR, periodic program review process, if it's a, you know, a SAP or controlled access program equity,
00:37:29.200 and then those go to the specific committees, whether it be the SAS, CASC. Thank you. Um,
00:37:34.000 I apologize. I just, my time is limited. Um, Mr. Graves, one of your main concerns that the FAA
00:37:40.400 currently does not have an official process to receive reports of UAP from pilots or others,
00:37:45.040 correct? Correct. And, um, in your experience, what data should the aero program prioritize for
00:37:52.640 potential collection? We have, you know, location, date, time, but are there other specific active,
00:37:58.720 characteristics that should be included in these reports? Certainly. Uh, I think that there's two
00:38:03.360 categories that would be important. Uh, one would be kinematics and understanding the specifics of
00:38:07.520 how the vehicle or objects are moving. Uh, and the second would be a more zoomed out approach of being
00:38:12.000 able to, uh, look at origin and destination, uh, after, before the incident, as well as getting a better
00:38:17.680 contextual understanding of how these, uh, these objects are interacting with each other. Thank you.
00:38:22.960 Now, because I only have a minute left, I apologize. We only have five minutes today, but, um, for the
00:38:30.000 record, if you were me, where would you look? Titles, programs, departments, regions, if you could just name
00:38:41.360 anything. Um, and I put that as an open question to the three of you.
00:38:45.600 I'd be happy to give you that in a closed environment. I can tell you specifically.
00:38:50.480 Thank you. Um, commander Fravor. I would say, and I've told people that you, you have to know where
00:38:57.360 to look. They're not going to divulge it to you because of the classification levels. But if you
00:39:00.640 know where to look and who to talk to, which is exactly what Mr. Grosh can point you, then you,
00:39:04.640 then you have them. Okay. Mr. Graves. I was an operator, so I was defending on folks like Mr. Grosh
00:39:09.760 to do that homework. Okay. Thank you very much. I yield back to the chair.
00:39:13.040 Mr. Beggs.
00:39:15.840 Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I thank the witnesses for being here today. I'm over here.
00:39:22.320 Thank you so much for being here.
00:39:27.120 I want to get into specifics here. And the reason I'm going to go this way is because
00:39:34.400 you've talked a bit about, um, what I would call misdirection by, um, official U.S. government
00:39:43.920 with regard to UAPs, right? And so I'm going to get to that in a second. But last week White
00:39:49.600 House NSC spokesman John Kirby stated that UAPs are having an impact on our training ranges
00:39:54.720 and needs to be treated as a legitimate issue. Do you concur with the statements? That's for each
00:39:58.800 of you. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um, now, having said that, I'm going to take you to specific
00:40:09.680 instances around the Phoenix Valley, because that's where I, I live. In 97, we had the famous
00:40:17.520 Phoenix light case. I don't know if any of you are familiar with that.
00:40:22.640 There were, there were two things that went along with that. And the explanation was military training
00:40:28.640 range off Luke and the Barry Goldwater range. Do you know anything different other than the official
00:40:34.240 explanation of those lights? Only what's in the public vernacular about it. That was outside the scope
00:40:40.560 of my duties. And if we wanted to, just my question along with my colleague from New York,
00:40:46.000 Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, if we wanted to find out more about that, where would we go to find the files
00:40:52.880 and where, and who would we address? And are you going to tell me we need to go to a SCIF
00:40:57.040 so you can tell us in a SCIF? I could potentially give you a vector on that. That specific case,
00:41:03.280 I'm not, I mean, I'm familiar with it in terms of public, but I give you a vector in a closed environment.
00:41:08.000 Yeah. That would be good. Thank you. So if, if it's true
00:41:12.240 that UAPs are having an impact on training ranges and this administration considers it to be a
00:41:18.320 legitimate issue, what steps can Congress take to address training range impacts? And I say that
00:41:22.960 having two very large training ranges in my state. And so we'll start with Mr. Graves and going down
00:41:29.520 the, the panel. Some of the initial procedures have been implemented, such as within the United States
00:41:35.360 Navy that have a range follow report that gathers information from pilots. I understand that a
00:41:41.440 service-wide reporting mechanism is still pending. However, that would be a great next step, not only
00:41:46.720 for gathering information, but for showing the troops that is an acceptable topic and reducing the stigma.
00:41:51.600 Okay. Please, all of you continue. Yeah. As a recipient of a lot of those training range reports,
00:41:58.160 sometimes we only get contextual kind of oral reporting. It'd be nice if they attached all
00:42:04.320 sensor data and there's a system in place that can handle multiple classifications of data. And
00:42:09.600 that's an issue with the F-35, right? That jet was never built to be an ISR platform. And it's a pain
00:42:15.280 in the, we'll just say, but to get that data off. So yeah. Great. Thank you. Yeah. I would agree with the
00:42:21.520 previous two being a user of those training ranges, that the data has to be out there. You have to
00:42:26.960 acknowledge that you're seeing them and then you have to collect the data. Right now, you get the
00:42:30.160 report. Someone says, I saw something, but no one collects the radar data to back it up and do
00:42:34.400 research. Okay. Do you believe that the 2019 classification guidelines for UAPs interferes with
00:42:39.920 the federal government's ability to be transparent with the American people? And do you think we need
00:42:44.480 to be more transparent with the American people? All of you. Yeah. I'll say yes to that.
00:42:49.520 I'm familiar with the UAP Task Force 2019 Security Classification Guide. I think it's fair. I did
00:42:59.280 actually help author that with the record. Uh-oh, you got a bias that way then. Yeah. But I will say,
00:43:04.880 I'll call it a lazy attitude about declassifying videos. I mean, I've seen some of the videos of
00:43:10.000 the recent shoot down and I saw no reason that couldn't have been released as long as they mask,
00:43:15.440 you know, some data. Uh, the American people deserve to see that, that imagery and full motion video.
00:43:24.000 I would think, well, in my opinion, I will say things are over classified. I know for a fact,
00:43:30.240 the video or the pictures that came out in the 20, I think it was 2020 report that had the stuff off
00:43:34.480 the East Coast. They were taken with an iPhone off the East Coast. A buddy of mine was one of the senior
00:43:38.480 people there and he said they originally classified to TSSCI. And my question to him was,
00:43:42.320 what's TSSCI about these? They're an iPhone literally off the vacates. That's not TSSCI.
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00:45:25.600 With the over classification, that may be one way. Are there other ways that the
00:45:28.880 DOD or intelligence agencies are keeping this information from the American people or even from
00:45:33.440 Congress? I think part of that has been not encouraging reporting. If the problem is not
00:45:40.880 something that can be measured, it's not something that's going to be fixed. Okay, very good. Well,
00:45:45.280 I'm out of time and I thank you, Mr. Chairman, and you'll bet. First of all, without objection,
00:45:51.200 Representative Nick Langworthy of New York is waived on the subcommittee for purpose of questioning
00:45:56.000 witnesses at today's subcommittee hearing. And then we go to Mr. Burleson.
00:46:03.360 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate you guys coming out today testifying. Look, I've been here for six months
00:46:09.840 and I'm pretty skeptical. I don't trust anything in this town. And I think that's because I'm from
00:46:18.000 Missouri. You've got to show me, right? With that being said, there's been a lot of things that have
00:46:23.680 been said in the public, Mr. Grush. And so I want to get down to, if we can, some specifics, right? So
00:46:32.720 at one point you had said that there has been harmful activity or aggressive activity. Has any of the
00:46:42.080 activity been aggressive, been hostile in your reports? I know of multiple colleagues of mine that
00:46:51.440 got physically injured. By UAPs or by people within the federal government? Both. Okay. So there has
00:47:05.360 been activity by alien or non-human technology and or beings that has caused harm to humans? I can't get
00:47:17.440 into the specifics in an open environment, but at least the activity that I personally witnessed,
00:47:25.040 and I have to be very careful here, because you don't, you know, they tell you never to acknowledge
00:47:28.480 tradecraft, right? So what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing.
00:47:35.840 Okay. One of my constituents actually sent this next question, and I figured I'd ask it since I had
00:47:42.800 the same thought. You've said that U.S. has intact spacecraft. You said that the government has alien
00:47:51.040 bodies or alien species. Have you seen, have you seen the spacecraft? I have to be careful to describe
00:48:00.720 what I've seen firsthand and not in this environment, but I could answer that question behind closed doors.
00:48:06.160 And have you seen any of the bodies? That's something I've not witnessed myself.
00:48:12.800 Okay. And so with that being said, you know, and the other statement that has been made that was
00:48:18.320 intriguing to me because, and it's intriguing because my view has been that we are billions
00:48:25.200 of light years away from any other system. And the concept that an alien species that's technologically
00:48:33.840 advanced enough to travel billions of light years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not
00:48:39.840 survive Earth or crashes is something that I find a little bit far-fetched. And with that being said,
00:48:48.240 you have mentioned that there's interdimensional potential. Could you expound on that?
00:48:52.960 I'll get to answer your first question. And, you know, I'm here as a fact witness and expert,
00:48:57.840 but I will give you a theoretical framework, at least to work off, to kind of expose crashes,
00:49:03.760 regardless of, you know, your level of sentience, right? You know, planes crash, cars crash,
00:49:09.200 and number of sorties, however high, a small percentage are going to end in, you know, mission
00:49:14.400 failure, if you will, as we say, in the Air Force. And then in terms of multi-dimensionality,
00:49:21.120 that kind of thing, the framework that I'm familiar with, for example, is something called the
00:49:26.480 holographic principle. It derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics. And
00:49:33.200 that is, if you want to imagine 3D objects such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2D surface,
00:49:40.800 that's the holographic principle. So you can be projected, quasi-projected from higher dimensional
00:49:45.280 space to lower dimensional. It's a scientific trope that you can actually cross, literally,
00:49:50.080 as far as I understand, but there's probably guys or PhDs that we could probably argue about that.
00:49:54.640 But you have not seen any documentation that that's what's occurring?
00:49:57.920 Only a theoretical framework discussion, yes.
00:50:00.480 Okay. Okay. Occam's Razor is that this, these aircraft, have they been identified that they
00:50:12.720 are being produced by, by domestic, you know, military contractors? Is there any evidence that
00:50:21.440 that that's what's being recovered? Not to my knowledge, plus the recoveries
00:50:26.080 predate a lot of our advanced programs that I previously am winning of, so.
00:50:30.960 Would it be safe to say that there could be a scenario today where you have an aircraft that
00:50:38.800 crashes and because it's been involved in one program from one federal agency and the, but the,
00:50:45.920 but the agency that retrieves it does is not aware of that program and to them it appears alien in origin?
00:50:54.720 I mean, that's a hypothetical situation. I'm not aware of any historical situation that would match that
00:51:00.720 that you described, so. You're not aware, it has not happened that you're aware of? That I'm aware of.
00:51:06.000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
00:51:16.000 Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating that
00:51:21.520 there was a UAP incident that required my attention. I sought a briefing regarding that episode and
00:51:28.000 brought with me Congressman Burchett and Congresswoman Luna. We asked to see any of the evidence that had
00:51:34.880 been taken by flight crew in this endeavor and to observe any radar signature as long as, as well as
00:51:40.880 to meet with the flight crew. We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew and initially we
00:51:48.560 were not afforded access to images and to radar. Thereafter we had a bit of a discussion about how
00:51:57.040 authorities flow in the United States of America and we did see the image and we did meet with one
00:52:03.600 member of the flight crew who took the image. The image was of something that I am not able to attach to
00:52:10.640 any human capability either from the United States or from any of our adversaries and I'm somewhat informed on the
00:52:17.680 matter, having served on the Armed Services Committee for seven years, having served on the committee that
00:52:22.480 oversees DARPA and advanced technologies for several years. When we spoke with the flight crew and when he showed us the photo that he'd taken,
00:52:31.600 I asked why the video wasn't engaged, why we didn't have a FLIR system that worked. Here's what he said.
00:52:38.640 They were out on a test mission that day over the Gulf of Mexico and when you're on a test mission you're supposed to have clear air space, not supposed to be anything that shows up.
00:52:48.640 They saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that
00:52:59.680 I and I alone have observed in the United States Congress. One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond
00:53:06.160 formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again like I said, not of any human capability that I'm aware of.
00:53:15.200 And when he approached, he said that his radar went down, he said that his FLIR system malfunctioned, and that he had to manually take this
00:53:26.240 image from one of the lenses and it was not automated in collection as you would typically see in a test mission.
00:53:35.360 So I guess I'll start with Commander Fravor. How should we think about the fact that this craft that was approached by our pilot
00:53:47.360 had the capability of disarming a number of the sensor and collection systems on that craft?
00:53:53.360 Well, I think this goes to that national security side and you can go back through history of things showing up at certain areas and disabling our capabilities, which is disheartening.
00:54:03.360 And for us, I mean, like I said, it completely disabled the radar on the aircraft when it tried to do it and the only way we could see it is passively, which is how he got that image.
00:54:11.360 So I think that's a concern on what are these doing, not only how do they operate, but their capabilities inside to do things like this.
00:54:18.360 And how should we think about four craft moving in a very clear formation, equidistant from one another, in a diamond?
00:54:29.360 In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Grave, that you've analyzed, have we ever seen multiple craft in a single formation?
00:54:37.360 I have one particular case and that was during the Gimbel incident.
00:54:41.360 The recording on the AT FLIR system shows a single object that rotates.
00:54:46.360 You hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects that is not visible on the FLIR system.
00:54:51.360 And that was something that I witnessed during the debrief as part of the radar data on the situational awareness page.
00:54:57.360 I would like to add, however, Congressman, there's a small bit of anger, I would say.
00:55:03.360 I would feel that those pilots are still facing that difficulty in reporting this topic and they don't have the tools to be able to mitigate this issue.
00:55:10.360 It just goes to show how serious this is and why this is such an important issue for our pilots and for our nation.
00:55:15.360 It was stated explicitly to me by these test pilots that if you have a U of AP experience, the best thing you can do for your career is forget it and not tell anyone.
00:55:27.360 Because any type of reporting, either above the surface or below the surface, does have a perceived consequence to these people.
00:55:35.360 And that is a culture we must change if we want to get to the truth.
00:55:38.360 Mr. Chairman, I would observe that perhaps as we move forward from this hearing, there are some obvious next steps.
00:55:46.360 Every person watching this knows that we need to meet with Mr. Grush in a secure compartmentalized facility so that we can get fulsome answers that do not put him in jeopardy and that give us the information we need.
00:55:59.360 Second, I would suggest that the radar images that were collected of this formation of craft out of Eglin Air Force Base and specifically the actual image taken by the actual flight crew that we can actually validate be provided to the committee, subpoenaed if necessary, so that we're able to track how to get this type of reporting and analysis done in a more fulsome way.
00:56:25.360 That would be my recommendation, humbly, as a guest here of the Fine Oversight Committee.
00:56:29.360 I yield back.
00:56:32.360 Ms. Mace? 0.99
00:56:33.360 Okay.
00:56:34.360 We're going to jump in here and I really want to, by the way, Nancy Mace, we'll get all this in the 5-7 show.
00:56:40.360 I really want to thank Real America's Voice for blowing the brakes here.
00:56:43.360 Bottom line, the administrative state and the deep state have known about this and have worked on this and have information about this going back multiple decades, and they have blown off not just congressional oversight, they have funded this illegally through other programs.
00:56:58.360 So this is explosive, if you look at the testimony, and of course Gates cuts to the chase about getting into a SCIF or a classified environment so those guys can open up about it.
00:57:08.360 Other breaking news, Mallorca's getting lit up over about child trafficking at another hearing, we're going to play that today, later.
00:57:15.360 You've got the MSNBC headline is the Hunter Biden deal is hanging by a thread right now in a court.
00:57:22.360 The judgments to say, hey, look, if you've got immunity for your business deals, dude, I don't know if that's going to hack it with me, and this whole thing may be thrown out.
00:57:29.360 We're going to get to all that.
00:57:30.360 Dr. Malone, I really want to thank you.
00:57:32.360 We've got a couple of minutes here before we go.
00:57:34.360 But your issue about population control dovetails in what we just heard.
00:57:39.360 You've got the U.S. government pursuing policies, having information on things that they keep absolutely away from the eyes of the American people, sir.
00:57:48.360 And the same agency is involved.
00:57:51.360 This is obviously CIA and USAID cooperating.
00:57:56.360 I am inclined to say conspiring to withhold information from the general public regarding the established policies of the United States government,
00:58:07.360 which are totally contrary with the, let's say, ethics of a very large fraction of the population, particularly as it relates to abortion policy and birth control in general.
00:58:21.360 And then there's this just really dark, real politic angle of suppressing population growth in the least developed countries so that we can maintain our capabilities to extract natural resources from those underdeveloped economies.
00:58:42.360 And this also threads into the other sub stack that you kindly mentioned earlier regarding green colonialism, which is another example of weaponization of a pseudo crisis, in this case the, quote, climate crisis, in order to engage in practices which are economically damaging to emerging economies.
00:59:07.360 The common thread through all of this is, as you taught me, the American imperial state, the desire to really jettison any fundamental ethics in the pursuit of imperial and economic interests.
00:59:27.220 And relating, again, looping back to the climate change agenda, fascinatingly in these 1970s documents that are still in place as American policy, we have explicit acknowledgement about the potential impact and benefits of climate change.
00:59:47.220 In this case, they were still talking about global cooling on availability of food supplies and the positive impact that would have on reduction of population growth, consistent with what we have, many people have speculated is ongoing during the COVID crisis and subsequent where we see these efforts to manipulate food supply, etc.
01:00:14.700 It's fascinating how all of these things are converging around this single point of the administrative state and, in particular, the intelligence community and, in particular, within the intelligence community, the CIA.
01:00:30.340 I gave an interview to Sean Spicer the other day that will be coming out soon in which I spoke about a number of things that I've come to understand about the role of the CIA in managing the COVID crisis directly.
01:00:44.180 We already knew that they were behind the Moderna technology and advancing that and capitalizing it.
01:00:51.180 Go ahead.
01:00:51.880 Doc, we got a hard out right here.
01:00:55.020 How do people get to your Substack and social media?
01:00:57.460 We're going to have you back on in more detail about this.
01:00:59.660 Where do people go?
01:01:01.640 Thank you, Steve.
01:01:02.500 It's always a pleasure.
01:01:04.340 And I'm forever indebted to MAGA and the War Room and the Fosse.
01:01:10.600 It's rwmalonemd.substack.com.
01:01:14.980 And a lot of these documents can be found at maloninstitute.org, in addition to a lot of our detailed research documents concerning the World Economic Forum.
01:01:26.300 Over.
01:01:26.500 Thank you, brother.
01:01:29.460 Thank you, Dr. Moore.
01:01:30.280 We'll have you back on our road.
01:01:31.240 We're going to go through all of this.
01:01:32.580 Explosive hearing on Capitol Hill on what the government knows and has refused to tell you about.
01:01:37.860 Explosive hearing at Homeland Security about the trafficking of women and children.
01:01:43.340 Also, we can report right now across the wire.
01:01:46.160 The Hunter-Biden deal looks like it is off.
01:01:49.280 I want to repeat that.
01:01:50.100 The Hunter-Biden deal is off.
01:01:51.760 Game on, baby.
01:01:53.460 Charlie Kirk picks it up from here.
01:01:55.100 Two hours of populist nationalism on Real America's Voice, followed by Jack Posobiec.
01:01:59.400 We're going to be back from 5 to 7 with all the players you heard today and much, much more.
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