Episode 2911： Trials Of Hunter; The Corrupt Power Of The CIA
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Summary
On today's show, Stephen K. Bannon joins host Steve Kamb to discuss the ongoing case against former Vice President Joe Biden and his wife, Kathleen Bowler, who is charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice in connection with the Trump administration s decision to indict former President Donald Trump.
Transcript
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Take me inside what the considerations and what the window might be for Jack Smith.
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Yeah, well, anytime you've got a high profile case, even, you know, not involving anywhere nearly as significant,
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any person nearly as sort of significant in the public's mind as a former president,
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there's always security concerns because there could be crowds coming to the courthouse.
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And, of course, the D.C. courthouse has seen many high profile cases over the years
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and has been the situs of almost every one of the January 6th prosecutions.
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So part of it is just to make sure that you've got proper security, not necessarily always planning for violence,
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but just crowd control, just plain old crowd control, because there will be a lot of people,
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particularly with a case like this, there'll be media who are trying to get their own access as well as members of the public.
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But I think you layer on top of that the type of rhetoric, you know, suggestions of violence and protest and worse things
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that we've talked about on your show even earlier this week, where we have people like Peter Navarro out there
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and others that are really trying to agitate people, trying to work them up to maybe engage in some sort of violent protest.
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Now, we know that statements like that were made before District Attorney Elvin Bragg brought his case in Manhattan
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We know that in Florida, similarly, there were kind of calls for protest, protest, protest.
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And again, there were a lot of people out there, but it was not violent at all.
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I do think a lot of people, even Donald Trump supporters, even those who may think that this is, you know,
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not a warranted prosecution, are very concerned about what they've seen happen post-January 6th.
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They're concerned about not doing something that could, you know, cause them to incur criminal liability
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in order to sort of please Donald Trump, because they've seen what happened.
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More than a thousand people who followed Donald Trump's wishes on January 6th are now facing or have faced
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or have been convicted already of criminal charges.
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So notwithstanding that, I think that a lot of people are probably deterred from engaging in violence.
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As law enforcement, you have to prepare for the worst and be happily surprised at the best.
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In terms of Bonnie Willis, we've seen that today there's security barricades, it looks like, going up around the courthouse there.
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And so, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if at this point, when the timing is getting the way it is,
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if there isn't some coordination, if nothing else, between courthouses about what are you doing, what are you expecting,
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and let's make sure we're in communication with each other.
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I just wanted to report that yesterday I co-sponsored legislation with Matt Gaetz to stop the weaponization of our government
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by defunding Jack Smith, special counsel, who's trying to pursue yet another witch hunt against President Trump.
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They're demonstrating the weaponization of our government against citizens, against the president.
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And quite frankly, equal justice under the law cannot be a slogan.
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And so that's why we're going to go ahead and defund this special counsel.
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We want to start with Congressman Matt Rosendale.
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Congressman, give us the latest state of play from what you're hearing and then what you and Gaetz and others are working on.
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Congressman Burleson's got an interesting thing about all the conflicts of interest of Jack Smith.
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Is this a rearguard action, too little, too late, or are we on top of things?
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Well, it's late, but it's not too late in the game, Steve.
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Right now, actually, it sort of comes together at a good time because we are going through the appropriations process.
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We are developing all the appropriations bills, and it is a perfect time for us to be able to go in and remove this funding from the Department of Injustice, as they have commonly become known as around Washington, D.C.
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He is pursuing yet another investigation of President Trump that is completely unwarranted.
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Here we've got the only person—I mean, I just listened to the clips that you had, these people talking about security and making sure that we have additional security around courthouses and things like that.
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President Trump is the only person who tried to bring in additional National Guard troops around the Capitol because he knew there was going to be extra people, not that anybody was going to get out of hand.
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But as the speaker said, you bring additional people to manage the crowds.
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The only thing we've seen come out of the Department of Justice is additional surveillance of people that want to utilize their rights of free speech.
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Meanwhile, after President Trump offered up that additional security, we all know now that Nancy Pelosi denied it.
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He's the only one who was trying to make sure that we had order and civility around the Capitol on that day.
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Meanwhile, we look back at the—I thought it was very interesting.
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Jackson case, OK, when the Supreme Court was getting ready to roll out that decision, and was any kind of additional security provided around the justices' homes or around when they went to work?
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And we saw not only people that were violent protesters.
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We actually had an assassin that was picked up that was threatening to kill one of the justices.
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It's another unwarranted investigation of the president.
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And so this is a tool that we can use to restore justice to America.
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And remember, that's not a MAGA newspaper at all, the biggest newspaper really in the world.
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They have a brutal story as their lead about how Hunter Biden's—believe it or not, their attorney actually tried to slide into the documents, giving him blanket immunity.
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He would never be investigated, never be questioned for anything else when that blew up yesterday.
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But we know the DOJ tried to slip in something that was unconstitutional.
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This was a progressive liberal judge that had to call it out.
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What's your assessment of DOJ's performance in this Hunter Biden investigation?
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And again, now this is where we see the two-tiered system on full display, Steve.
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And that is why the American people are very upset.
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And while Congress investigates and exposes and provides oversight, we don't get to charge and prosecute.
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We do respect the different branches of government.
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And that is up to the Department of Justice to charge and to prosecute.
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But if they are not going to or if they are going to utilize different methods for some people than they are for others,
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then the only way to change that is to change the leadership and to do it through the financing of the agency.
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And that's where Congress does have, as we always hear, the power of the purse string.
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It still has to go over to the United States Senate to make sure that they will implement the ideas and the concepts, policies, and the budgets that we send over.
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But we can utilize the power of the purse string to get rid of the bad actors.
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And I really think that that is what we need to do.
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There's just too many of them that are not acting in the best interest of this country and certainly not honoring their oath of office.
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You know, we had Newt Gendrick come out and he's saying, hey, just focus on Biden.
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He says, no, no, you want to go off to Ray and Garland because it's in DOJ and FBI.
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You're going to get all the rot and all the investigations and you'll get something easily done.
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You wrap up work tonight and people will probably be taking off tomorrow and not to come back till September.
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So where does the conference stand right now on these impeachment inquiries?
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I've been meeting with several of the senators to find out where they are.
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Many of us, there's about a half a dozen of us House members and several of the senators.
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And what we're trying to do is count votes and to figure out, do we have enough votes to begin these impeachment inquiries on people like Christopher Wright, like Secretary Mayorkas, because they are causing great damage, not only to our country because of the actions that they're taking,
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but they're causing great harm to our country too because of the loss of confidence in the institutions that people are beginning to have because they witness these terrible things that are going on.
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I mean, when I look at the southern border, we know that we're talking about nearly 6 million people that have come into the country illegally that have had encounters with law enforcement.
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We've got another million and a half that have not had encounters.
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And then when we see the documents that have been falsified, the FISA court system that has been so abused, and the FBI conducting surveillance on American people wrongfully, and then bringing charges against people wrongfully, it's disturbing.
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You were one of the hardest core of all the holdouts.
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You've been at the tip of the spear here about the appropriations process.
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You guys did get, I think, veterans and military construction passed, but that's it.
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And this was looked at as a big victory for the hardcore MAGA.
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Walk us through what's going to go on because haven't we run out of time here?
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Now we have 11 more of these appropriation bills that need to get approved.
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We made an agreement that we wanted to have a freeze in the amount of spending that was going to take place.
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And quite frankly, the conference went along with us, Steve, back when we actually passed the first debt ceiling package with Republicans, with 218 Republicans, that we were going to freeze the non-defense discretionary spending at the 20, basically what is the 2019 levels, which is $1.471 trillion.
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We have targets, target values on each one of those bills.
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And if leadership tries to bring a bill forward from appropriations out to the floor that doesn't meet one of those targets for those bills, then basically we're going to have to hold the system up, hold the process up until we can see that that bill or bring another one on that shows it's going to be reduced more in order to compensate for that.
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So that we know we're going to hit that target of the $1.471 trillion on non-defense discretionary spending.
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And we are going to be – I know that I'm going to be very, very stubborn, if you will, about holding that level of spending.
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Do you think Kevin McCarthy and leadership have the guts right now?
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Because September 30th is going to be on us as soon as you guys get back.
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Are they going to force Biden to shut down the government or are we going to get a continuing resolution, which is, you know, the road to perdition?
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To sum it up for the American people, though, here's the problem we're facing.
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President Biden wants to spend $6.9 trillion, OK, over the next year.
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The more moderate Republicans within the conference want to spend $6.8 trillion, so about $100 billion less.
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And all we are trying to do, the conservatives within the conference are trying to get down to $6.7.
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My gosh, we're only going to bring in, Steve, $5 trillion worth of revenue if everything goes really, really good.
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And you are telling me we can't find $100 billion of reductions in spending over above what they've already tried to do out of $6.8 trillion?
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We proposed, myself, Andy Biggs, we got together.
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We proposed that much reductions in spending 90 days ago.
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No, it's absolutely – you guys have been fighting the good fight.
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How do people follow you, particularly over the next couple of weeks during break?
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I know a lot of activity is going to be going on.
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Yeah, give us messages, folks, at RepRosendale.
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You can follow all my platforms, at RepRosendale.
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We're going to be around the state for the next four weeks.
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We're going to be visiting a lot of my constituents, and we're going to be doing the good work for the people.
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Congressman, thank you very much for joining us.
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It hasn't happened yet, Jamie, but what are you hearing from people?
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I know you're talking to a lot of people about what that looks like if and when there is one.
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So let's first say if, because we don't know yet, but the target letter certainly takes us there.
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So I've spoken to a number of former Justice Department sources who have been following the case very closely.
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And this is their, I think, educated look at what to expect.
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And they said, first of all, expect the indictment if it comes to be, as one said, the mother of all speaking indictments.
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They want to see who else is going to be named in this indictment.
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Are we going to have unindicted co-conspirators?
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Can we tell whether people have been cooperating who were in Trump's inner circle?
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How does Mark Meadows fit into this case, his former White House chief of staff who was in the room and there for so much of it?
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And then the last thing they've said, and they've been saying this repeatedly since the target letter,
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they expect this case to be not just very strong, but to be what they say is beyond a reasonable doubt plus.
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Why? Because it's the former president of the United States.
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Dr. Seb Gorka, your thoughts, analysis and observations, sir.
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I just wrote a piece on American injustice for the great people at AMAC on all of this.
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My reaction to what happened in Wilmington yesterday, the idea that the most politically persecuted man in American history is now,
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The most politically persecuted man in history is now expecting another indictment.
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His attorneys were with the DOJ today, so it could drop today, could drop tomorrow morning.
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And Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden's lawyers are acting in conjunction with the DOJ like they're one big defense team.
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His lawyers ring up the court impersonating a congressional staffer to try and get an 800-page amicus brief sealed from the docket so nobody knows what Hunter actually did.
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And then a plea deal which gives him universal immunity from prosecution against any other charge.
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You know, somebody, a wise person, said on my show, stop using the phrase two-tiered justice system because once you've got more than one tier, there is no justice system.
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I never thought I'd say this as the child of those who literally escaped a communist dictatorship.
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My father liberated from a communist political prison.
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And sadly, Steve, you remember what it was like in the White House.
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I loved the Secret Service guys, especially the uniformed officers.
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But the fact that the Secret Service, not only we know whose bag of Coke it is, they shut down the investigation.
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They say they can't find it in the most secure building in the world.
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Not only that, if you read it, I've got it here.
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The details of the plea deal with Hunter Biden, the Secret Service goes and cleans up the mess, goes to the FFL, the federally licensed firearm dealer, to try and get the forms for Hunter Biden's illegal handgun purchase.
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Steve, what is the Secret Service doing cleaning up the felonies of the president's son?
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The Daily Mail, as you know, not a MAGA paper, but they put up tons of great stories.
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The lead story, the lead story, sub, exclusive.
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Hunter Biden's full plea deal transcript and how the sneaky lawyers tried to hide claws, giving him blanket immunity in a crazy, unprecedented tactic until the female progressive judge smelled a rat and called a DOJ had to know about that.
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And they also had to know and they had to agree to this unconstitutional assertion of the judge to be the referee because they feared President Trump could come back.
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Have you ever seen anything in your life like the fiasco that was in Delaware yesterday, sir?
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I had Jesse Binal on previously today on my show.
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I mean, you've got to read the transcripts of what happened in the courtroom, how they actually said, well, I guess we should just rip up the plea deal.
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And the judge, who, by the way, let's be clear here, I'm not asserting at all that she's any kind of MAGA loyalist, but this is a lifetime appointment.
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And once you're a federal judge, you don't have to be a political, but if they try and screw with you, whoever they are, they may bring down the hammers of hell on you simply because you're screwing with a federal judge.
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She actually used the phrase, Steve, what do you expect me to do?
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And let's be clear, this is the, I love, you know, you told me the phrase buried lead when I was your editor at Breitbart.
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And it's interesting because the reports by Daily Mail and others were that Hunter Biden was going to walk into the court in Wilmington and plead not guilty, which is really interesting.
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Because line one, the defendant waives any challenge to the information based on venue and agrees to plead guilty.
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And here's the, just in case you missed that, line one, here's line four.
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The defendant is pleading guilty to counts one and two because he is, in fact, guilty.
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I thought Joe Biden told us that his son has never done anything wrong.
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But, you know, Natalie Winters said this to me, and she's absolutely right, your co-host.
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$1.2 million of unpaid taxes, a felony gun purchase.
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If you read the plea deal, it lists all the monies accrued to this man by the Chinese clients.
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I'll read one of them just to get the conspiracy theorists really excited.
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One of the Chinese payments to Hunter Biden was for the sum, you'll love this, of $666,666.
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Look, I don't want people to think I'm making this up.
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Look, I'm just going to give you a couple of them.
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$664,000 from a Chinese infrastructure investment company because Hunter is such an expert on Chinese infrastructure.
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Then he's got the Ukrainian energy company sends him half a million dollars, $70,000 from a Romanian business.
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And then from the CEO of a Chinese business conglomerate.
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My engineer is printing it now because this is the amicus brief that they lied to stop being put on the docket impersonating a Senate staffer.
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I'm going to read it so we can share it with you and your viewers, but this is what we have to get to the bottom of.
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Seb, real quickly, because I know you've got to bounce, about the impeachment inquiries.
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Cash was in here today saying, no, no, let's take Ray and Garland because that's where the target-rich environment is.
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Do you think it was smart for them to leave town without initiating this?
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And where would Seb Gorka put the center of gravity of his investigation, sir?
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Look, I would be very weary, leery of questioning Cash because he's such an expert and former assistant, director of national intelligence.
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But I think he'd agree with me that these people – I mean, look at Ray.
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The real, the real driving force is the level behind them.
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Mayorkas is the most evil bastard of a lot of them.
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But it's got to be an impeachment that gets them in the table in front of the investigating committee,
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The investigation and the disclosures about the people who are really running Biden, right?
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These are the people who we really have to get neutralized through some kind of process in Congress.
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So, yeah, it's just – Kevin, Kevin, just start because America wants it.
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And let's get to the real drivers who are the second-tier ideologues.
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Dr. Gorka, where do people get all your sage advice?
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All right, we post everything on all the regular social media sites.
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True Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parla Getter, Telegram, and then my website,
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And the substack for the exclusive analysis, like the one I just mentioned on what happened yesterday
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So that's Sebastian Gorka, one word, sebastiangorka.substack.com.
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We've got to do a longer one of these next time, Steve.
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By the way, I thank my crack staff for being all over Dr. Gorka's in Denver, for being
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They're a great crew, and they love your content.
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More importantly, Dr. Gorka, thank you so much.
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Seb Gorka, deputy strategist over in the Trump White House, will be a big player in the second
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We don't care what they're trying to do to try to use lawfare to stop the real president.
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Dr. Robert Malone has left the Capitol and is going to be in the House next, in the war room.
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We're going to play more of this in the 6 o'clock hour, because I've got Dr.
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Particularly, are you comfortable and happy that this is now starting to get at least somewhat
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a hearing on Capitol Hill and some traction, or not enough yet?
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I'm glad to hear this push to try to get some legal movement on Tony Fauci and the gain
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I mean, you, if anybody, should understand if they're going to hold you and Peter to this
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standard, then they sure as heck ought to hold Tony Fauci to that standard at a minimum.
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The crimes that have been done here in terms of lying to Congress are clear.
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Are there crimes beyond the perjury in lying to Congress?
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Do you think there are underlying crimes that they were trying to hide?
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He's pretty upfront that he thinks Fauci and a whole group of guys.
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So, so the version of the story that I got, um, and I'm getting from people on the inside
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of the agency is that in fact, what transpired was that we lost all of our human in PRC.
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It's sooner than that there was a quid pro quo.
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I mean, I've spoken to people that had their contacts killed recently.
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Um, there was a quid pro quo and we transferred technology.
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Um, we enabled the research and the quid pro quo was that we would have some visibility
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on what was going on inside of Wuhan Institute of Virology and the PRC, you know, CCP, um,
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Um, and so with that comes the burden that all of this has got deep involvement of the
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I mean, we had these statements from Tony Fauci and his colleagues that, uh, um, we needed
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That was, that was part of the logic initially in the, in the coverup of what went on, what
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Um, so we, at a time when the federal government policy was that we were not supposed to have
00:32:52.420
gain of function research, clearly we had gain of function research.
00:32:56.200
Clearly the intelligence community is at the center of all of this.
00:33:00.180
And that, that's the big shocking lesson for me.
00:33:05.600
I haven't wanted to believe that, um, the United States intelligence community was at
00:33:13.320
But I've come to the conclusion that that is the case, that the U S intelligence community
00:33:18.120
working together with the CCP, we're at the center of this entire affair.
00:33:22.220
Remember that, um, I'm guessing drop any bombs this afternoon on the show.
00:33:31.100
I understand people should know in the, in the competent or the, the struggle, uh, between
00:33:37.160
the CCP and the U S a number of years ago, a couple, over a decade ago.
00:33:44.140
All 25 of the senior, uh, human intelligence officers or agents we had were all systematically
00:33:52.300
eliminated within a period of about six months, clearly came from a mole inside the intelligence
00:33:58.080
And just like Angleton went for 25 years looking for the mole that turned out to be both Hanson
00:34:03.860
and Aldridge back in the eighties with the Soviets, but he never found them.
00:34:10.640
Some, they've been looking for this and, but you're saying that the, that the intelligence
00:34:14.260
community made an open agreement since we had no home human intent, uh, human intelligence
00:34:20.120
in order to have eyes and ears in the programs agreed to technology transfers that would be over
00:34:25.680
and above through, through, through eco health Alliance and funding in exchange for limited
00:34:32.720
access to, uh, situational awareness of ongoing R and D. And that resulted at the near as I
00:34:40.660
can reconstruct. It resulted in the creation of a series of mutant clones. Those mutants were isolated,
00:34:47.700
were in the process of being characterized at WIV. Remember Bancel helped build the WIV. I mean, we were
00:34:55.220
all over that facility. Um, uh, and there, uh, if it, this is speculation, but it's informed
00:35:02.580
speculation, the French, you say Bancel, the French were actually in charge of actually building the
00:35:09.060
level four facility with under it because the CCP and no one in China had anywhere near the capacity
00:35:16.300
to build it. Okay. There may have been other companies, but weren't, weren't, I thought the
00:35:19.860
French were actually, you know, more than about this than I do. I think the French were, and then
00:35:23.460
they were dialed out. They were supposed to also be, have like boards of directors would be able to
00:35:27.740
oversee things and they were shown the door right away. So mutants were created. They were in the
00:35:32.920
process of being characterized. It appears that there was some event that resulted in
00:35:38.480
infection of human personnel within the WIV. Those are the initial index cases. They occurred
00:35:44.140
sometime around November, 2019. Um, then we had CCP staff move in, eliminate all those viral isolates
00:35:54.380
and the associated records and, and the cascade of events came on. So no genomic record of, of
00:36:01.360
anything. And, and, uh, paper records of whatever was being done in terms of R and D in the U S
00:36:07.140
government, you're saying the intelligence community knew all of this beginning in November.
00:36:15.800
I mean, we're not on air right now. Yes, we are. Yes. We're live nationwide. Um,
00:36:21.100
when is this all going to come out? Uh, hopefully it will eventually come out in the hearings,
00:36:25.640
but a lot of this is going to be treated as confidential information. I mean, I've also heard
00:36:30.220
that for instance, Gottlieb directly intervened in the decision of the government to switch from
00:36:35.560
Moderna to Pfizer. What do you mean? Gottlieb has Intel ties. He is involved in advisory committees
00:36:42.820
within the CIA. And apparently he went into the CIA, interacted, and there was a switch in national
00:36:50.220
policy within 24 hours in terms of the emphasis on which vaccine to promote. Did Tony Fauci as being
00:36:55.920
on the task force that was chaired by, uh, vice, then vice president Pence. Is there any record or
00:37:04.880
anything that Tony Fauci informed anybody in the West wing or the, there's, it was this all kept?
00:37:11.080
You would know more about that than me. I'm not aware of any such record of him notifying anybody.
00:37:16.680
Yeah, no, there was this, instead there was a concerted effort, including the use of burner phones
00:37:20.560
to try to hide, um, exactly what transpired. And furthermore, I'm my, my situational awareness
00:37:28.060
is that he directly sought to intervene and did intervene with one of, at least one of the key,
00:37:34.320
uh, research groups that was assigned within the CIA to determine whether or not this was of
00:37:40.360
laboratory origin. So he intervened to dissuade them from that conclusion. The, the, it might just
00:37:50.900
surmise from what you're saying. And then we talk about, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. talks about these
00:37:56.160
different verticals of like the military industrial complex and the buyer farmer. So, and now we have
00:38:01.840
the censorship industrial complex. Censorship. And in your book lies, my government told me is what
00:38:08.100
connects this and informs it all is the intelligence apparatus. That's, that's my belief. I, I've, I've
00:38:13.900
reluctantly come to that conclusion. Why reluctantly? And what, what, what, what information and data
00:38:19.440
drove you? Because once upon a time, I believed we were the good guys. Once upon a time, I believed this
00:38:24.080
was a CCP operation. Once upon a time, I thought that it must be some other entity that was the
00:38:31.440
hidden hand behind this. What I've learned after, after, you know, this whole journey is, um, from
00:38:39.720
friends that would know, uh, a strong case could be made that the CIA is the most powerful organization
00:38:46.160
in the world right now. And it's functionally rogue. What we have is a bunch of operational units within
00:38:52.600
the CIA that are seeking to maximize their capital, um, their resources, um, within their assigned
00:39:02.160
mission space. And there, they are, I mean, a case, I think a case can be made that part of what's been
00:39:07.760
going on here is a failure of leadership and control. That you've had these functional groups
00:39:12.800
that are seeking to enhance their power base and their wealth, their resource base that have grown, uh,
00:39:19.500
beyond their mission. Really it's mission creep. I want to hit, we're going to, uh, uh, Rob's taking the
00:39:24.360
team in Denver of agree. We're going to blow the break because we've only got Dr. Malone for a certain
00:39:28.120
amount of time. So we're going to continue on. I want to hit rewind for a second, because I want you just
00:39:32.140
to repeat that. And I'm going to connect it with something that came, that's, that's come out of James
00:39:36.560
Risen, the former New York times Pulitzer prize winner who wrote this amazing book on, um, on Frank
00:39:43.000
Church and the church committee. But to talk about again, the CIA is most powerful and they're made up
00:39:47.680
of, of, of a coalition of rogue elements. Yeah. But what I understand is the agency is, is absolutely
00:39:55.620
at this point in time, the most powerful organization in the world. It is largely autonomous as we've heard
00:40:01.780
in so many different ways. And the latest was of course the testimony regarding the, uh, UAPs. Okay.
00:40:08.280
Um, we've got these multiple lines of evidence that the CIA is largely comprised of functional groups
00:40:16.180
that have assigned mission space that operate in kind of an entrepreneurial way to capture capital
00:40:24.000
and to operate within their assigned mission space relatively autonomously under guidance of
00:40:31.060
their internal civilian command. And, uh, those administrators seek to maximize power, um, scope
00:40:40.240
and capital resources that they can capture. And with the COVID crisis, um, and the run-up in the
00:40:47.180
biodefense industry, et cetera, they've had a great opportunity to grab at a whole new pile of capital,
00:40:53.080
uh, which they've used to, uh, you know, expand their missions. This is classic mission creep.
00:40:58.680
And if you look at every aspect of it, if you look at the censorship industrial complex,
00:41:03.640
intelligence agencies, in fact, the entire thing, in fact, probably run most of it. The
00:41:08.600
same with the military industrial complex. And now you're saying...
00:41:10.860
I totally agree. Now you're saying with the, what we call the biopharma, pharmaceutical industrial
00:41:15.180
complex, that the intelligence apparatus... And the fact that Scott Gottlieb, who is a board of
00:41:20.280
director, member of, uh, Pfizer, in addition to being former head of, uh, uh, probably a Trump
00:41:26.000
appointee for FDA. Um, is, is... And a CNBC regular, right? Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. And we also know was
00:41:33.900
directly interacting with Twitter and other social media to advocate for censorship of individuals.
00:41:38.860
Yes. I mean, the, the guy, my hearing is that he is intimately involved in the intelligence
00:41:45.080
community on top of everything else. I want to go back to your theory, the case of the functional
00:41:49.600
groups. And I want to tie it back to James Risen, uh, who's no Trump fan, hates Trump, but he's written
00:41:55.660
a number of books about the intelligence apparatus, about the intelligence apparatus, how, how overwhelming
00:42:00.600
it's getting, and this guy's a progressive, how overwhelming it's getting in American political, uh,
00:42:06.700
in the governmental life. He wrote a book, the definitive kind of biography of the church committee
00:42:11.480
came out this, uh, earlier this summer called the last honest man. He has a part in there, but the
00:42:17.740
formation of the committee, that church was going to take one part of it. And they brought in Gary Hart
00:42:22.460
as a brand new Senator who was very telegenic, had a strong interest in this, was quite close to the
00:42:29.180
Kennedy family. Uh, and they made him the contact for the CIA to go see Colby and Helms and all these
00:42:35.920
guys and convince them that we really need you guys to come forward. We're going to need you to
00:42:40.520
testify. We're going to need you. And he would work them. And these guys, uh, turned him over to James
00:42:48.380
Angleton, the famous mole hunter, the head of counter, the head of counter, uh, intelligence for 30 years
00:42:56.100
at the CIA, the single most powerful person that ran the day-to-day operations, say Angleton's
00:43:01.400
legendary. Hart goes, I think to the army Navy club for dinner with Angleton, several hour dinner.
00:43:08.560
And he's talking and finally Hart works up enough courage to say, you know, Mr. Angleton, I don't
00:43:15.420
know how to say this, but did the CIA have anything to do? And up until now, Angleton was in very
00:43:22.200
detailed about how the CIA works and the functional groups, how it works. And he says, did the CIA
00:43:27.540
have anything to do with the assassination of president Kennedy? And Angleton pauses and
00:43:35.900
goes to Hart and says, you were a theology major, correct? You, you, you went to, uh, theology.
00:43:42.500
Yes, sir. He said, well, this is the only way I can have you. You should think about it.
00:43:47.980
In my father's house, there are many mansions. And Hart just, he said, he just ran cold that
00:43:56.800
Angleton had totally essentially told him what you just said, that even Angleton who had total
00:44:03.000
control of counter intelligence and was the famous guy. And I think, uh, um, De Niro played
00:44:10.120
him in a movie they made later for television, a multi-part series. He was the guy that was
00:44:14.220
obsessed about finding who the mole was that turned over their agents to the KGB that turned
00:44:19.900
out later as a combination, I think of Hanson and Aldridge, uh, had done it. Um, but that
00:44:25.220
even he at the pinnacle of power in the CIA told Hart, I don't have control of the whole
00:44:32.680
Cause there's so much, there's so much compartmentalization.
00:44:34.680
Exactly. And you have somebody, but this is what, this is why we'll have more of it tomorrow.
00:44:38.160
By the way, Alex Jones is going to join us tomorrow. Congressman Nancy Mace is going
00:44:43.240
to be here. And I realized for people forget aliens and spacecraft. It's about what the
00:44:48.600
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I agree that that is the story. The story is not aliens. The story is the interface and the complete
00:46:42.940
arrogance of the administrative state over decades. It is, this is the clearest documentation
00:46:50.120
in the behaviors that you see, the actions, the integration with press, the integration of the
00:46:56.860
derision, defamation, gaslighting, etc. It's the same portfolio. It's the same checklist that we've,
00:47:07.960
we've, we're seeing deployed against Bobby Kennedy right now and that we've seen deployed during the
00:47:13.100
COVID crisis. It's like they have a standard playbook. And, and against Trump, because they
00:47:17.420
understand, against Trump, absolutely. On steroids. On steroids. Because they understand Trump says
00:47:23.080
the administrative state, the deep states are existential threat. I'm going to take it. He
00:47:26.780
in a combination of him and Kennedy would be insane. But what are we, what can we do? If that's your
00:47:31.720
theory of the case, then what must be done now? Because we just can't wait to an election. This has
00:47:37.480
to be confronted immediately. And you've got the COVID situation, the vaccine situation. You've got
00:47:43.080
this situation with the, with the UFOs. You've got, you've got, you've got, you've got across the
00:47:48.420
board, you have 10 different verticals. How do you stop this now in its tracks?
00:47:52.880
I don't know the answer to that. The only way it, you know, we've also got Mitch McConnell
00:47:58.000
with all of his power and his compromised capabilities. And he sits on top of that whole stack.
00:48:06.280
I, in, in the current situation. I'm not sure we're going to get, I'm not sure we're going
00:48:09.520
to get a ton of help there. No, but that's exactly my point. We're going to get anything
00:48:13.340
but help. We're going to get obstructionism. The house intelligence. Okay. So, so people
00:48:19.100
over there have told me the reason that the committee was, remember, Gates and these guys
00:48:25.280
said, we've got to go into a skiff. The house intelligence committee under Mike Turner is
00:48:29.860
completely bought and paid for. They will not go after Sequoia Capitol, but they have, they
00:48:33.480
will not go after any of the things on the UFOs. Exactly. Exactly. The way I hear it
00:48:37.700
too is the house intelligence committee is compromised. They, they're useless. Um, I'm
00:48:43.680
really disappointed at the, uh, Senate committee for oversight on, um, homeland security, which
00:48:51.040
should have portfolio relating to the, the, the weaponization of homeland security, um, for
00:48:58.240
this whole censorship industrial complex, the whole, whole misdismal information complex
00:49:04.960
that's been deployed with Mayorkas. That should be directly smack dab in the middle of Senate,
00:49:11.080
uh, um, of that Senate committee with Ron Johnson and they won't touch it. They won't touch the
00:49:18.300
censorship. We, I don't know. They won't touch the censorship because of the
00:49:24.560
industry linked nature of the intelligence community. People should understand people
00:49:28.560
live in fear of the intelligence committee. That's the Capitol, the Imperial Capitol.
00:49:31.660
They, they are the Praetorian guard that guards the administrative state. I argue that they
00:49:37.540
have fused with the administrative state in terms of what's happened here over the last
00:49:42.280
three years. What we've seen in my opinion is the fusion of the administrative state and
00:49:47.360
the intelligence community and what's been assimilated. The vector that comes out of
00:49:51.220
that is the ethics for the entire edifice have become the ethics of, of the intelligence
00:49:57.920
community, which are essentially no ethics. They're entirely situational. That's, that's
00:50:02.880
where we get this vector that comes out. That's totally utilitarian. Anything that anything goes
00:50:09.320
that advances the, um, uh, interests of that Imperial state and the administrative state that
00:50:17.540
In the two or a couple of minutes we've got, I got to go back to your depopulation. You went
00:50:21.120
back to Kissinger's original national security memos when Earhart and Stanford and the population
00:50:25.780
bomb. My brother was able to tell me, Hey, the Columbia put out a book 20 years ago, the limit,
00:50:32.040
the capacity limitations of earth. The number was wait for it. 8 billion people. Okay. So,
00:50:37.240
so do you think that there is an organized effort on depopulation now? And if so, can you point to
00:50:46.700
So the state department has issued a, it's put on their website, an explicit statement that
00:50:51.600
depopulation or population restriction is not the policy of the United States. And yet we have these
00:50:57.360
various documents that are apparently still in place in which it's explicitly laid out that that
00:51:02.580
is the policy of the United States. How do you square that circle? Um, the, the, the, this, you,
00:51:09.280
you know, you will know them by their actions. The actions that we've seen are entirely consistent
00:51:14.800
with that Kissinger report and the subsequent report, both of which were placed as, as national
00:51:19.940
security policy by Gerald Ford. And there has, best of my knowledge, there have not been any
00:51:24.960
replacement documents. Apparently those will, the policy is that those will stand in place
00:51:30.280
until they're replaced. Now, the one caveat that I, I'm ignorant about that I'm worried about is
00:51:37.120
whether or not Ronald Reagan changed any of those policies, because you may recall, you would recall
00:51:42.320
that Reagan took some specific actions relating to abortion in particular, having to do with our
00:51:47.980
stance in terms of worldwide population control, Mexican policy or whatever. Yep. Exactly right. So I don't
00:51:54.280
know if Reagan intervened in any of this, but I, I, and my colleagues cannot find any documents
00:52:01.240
that are, now that could be there classified. Are you, that have superseded those national
00:52:05.700
security positions. Do you agree with me that across the board on the assassinations on all this
00:52:09.520
has to be declassified immediately? And that would be a cause we'd be fighting right now for the next
00:52:13.400
hundred days to declassify all this and release it to the American people? Uh, that would certainly be
00:52:18.700
a huge step forward. Um, we have so much stuff that's been hidden. The overclassification has been
00:52:24.840
stated in multiple communities. And starting in the Wuhan lab, the COVID, everything dealing with that.
00:52:28.500
Absolutely. All should be declassified immediately. Yeah. That's, that's my opinion. Uh, we're, we're beyond
00:52:33.980
the point where they're, you know, they're, I'm sure there are national security issues here. Um, and, uh...
00:52:40.660
National security issues from the American people. I mean, they're working with the CCP. How could it be,
00:52:44.960
they're already hand in glove with those guys that they don't want the information for the American
00:52:49.240
people? Cause then the American people can force change. That's what the, the classification is to
00:52:53.700
keep is to hide the information so they don't get the backlash. It's not, it's not, it's not. Yeah.
00:52:57.980
And I think what we've got is an yet another classic case of unintended consequences of blowback,
00:53:04.460
um, with a, uh, a group of individuals that have felt entitled that have essentially no controls on
00:53:13.380
their access to capital and their ability to operationalize what the toys that they want to
00:53:19.540
play with. And after blowing the nine 11, after blowing, uh, the, uh, informational weapons of
00:53:25.060
mass destruction, after blowing all the intelligence, Afghanistan war on the Ukraine war on all of it
00:53:30.200
with a track record that is perfect for failure. You say that this is another one. You say there's
00:53:35.040
still the most powerful operation in the Imperial capital. That's not just in the Imperial capital.
00:53:40.220
What I hear is worldwide. I mean, my European colleagues that are active politically are
00:53:44.120
scared of the CIA. The, the European parliament is, is cowed by the CIA. The CIA has enormous power
00:53:53.160
globally. And, uh, a strong case could be made in my opinion that they're rogue. They are,
00:54:00.820
they have exceeded. And, and when you hear these statements that, uh, they don't believe that
00:54:06.360
they have to, um, loop in temporary employees. The euphemism is temporary employees is a euphemism
00:54:14.960
for elected officials. Temporary employees. Okay. They're above the temporary employees.
00:54:20.460
We saw yesterday in the, this is the, one of the things for the audience yesterday in the hearings,
00:54:23.960
there was a question is Congress class has enough security clearances, including the gang of eight,
00:54:28.940
which is supposed to have everything you have so that the, the intelligence community can't get
00:54:32.980
around that. They've been doing it for years. This is a fight that is going to explode. How do people
00:54:37.980
get all your information? Substack all of it? Well, thanks. Once again, uh, getter, gab,
00:54:44.220
truth social and Twitter or X is at RW Malone MD. Yeah. X, uh, you're on Substack too, right? Uh,
00:54:52.620
and then Substack is rwmalonemd.substack.com. And, uh, our, our institute nonprofit is Malone Institute.
00:55:03.420
So that's maloneinstitute.org. And on that, we have the larger documents like our huge spreadsheet.
00:55:10.300
That's the comprehensive list of all world economic forum, young leader trainees took us months to
00:55:16.220
produce it. And it's all searchable. You can find out all kinds of information about that.
00:55:21.220
And many of the documents that are associated with this depopulation agenda are recently uploaded
00:55:26.380
there. Perfect. Um, and, uh, Charlie Kirk is apparently going to feature that, uh, Malone
00:55:31.280
Institute in an upcoming broadcast. So I thank him. That's perfect. Okay. We're leaving with a sea
00:55:38.980
shanty. We'll talk more about that in the six o'clock. Stick around, Dr. Ronald Malone. Thank you for
00:55:45.120
coming and see us. You look like a courtly Southern center. I thought we had time working back in the
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