On this episode of the War Room, Steve is joined by Jack Posobiec and Sheila Walker to discuss the devastating fires on the island of Maui, Hawaii, and the possible link between the fires and the Islamic extremists responsible for them.
00:01:32.460Well, Steve, we'll leave it to Barack Obama to prove where he's really from.
00:01:37.980But when you're looking at some of these videos, I mean, this looks like this looks like stuff that you see out of Ukraine.
00:01:44.820This looks like stuff you see out of Wagner videos after they've rolled through town.
00:01:49.500This looks like the burning of Kenosha when I was there after Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:01:53.900And those those do you see the cars completely burnt out?
00:01:57.180But the fact that you see it and I hate to say this, Steve, but, you know, the fact that that dog wasn't able to get away.
00:02:03.740And I can understand if we're not showing that video really has to beg the question.
00:02:09.240How many of these cars have bodies in them?
00:02:10.860How many of these cars had people that because of the smoke or because of the extreme heat were not able to get away or they were flash charred themselves?
00:02:20.760I mean, this stuff looks like it looks like something you see from an airburst in the military, a missile airburst that just sends a shockwave down over the entire area.
00:02:30.020And you can see, obviously, some vehicles that were not were not hit, probably drove in later, people driving by after the fact.
00:02:37.580But something something absolutely horrific happened in Maui.
00:02:46.200Absolutely terrible. And our hearts go out to these people there.
00:02:49.500Jack, how do people following on social media? You're putting up stuff all day long and obviously putting up a lot of stuff on Maui.
00:02:57.420It will be up 2 p.m. today, Eastern here on Human Events Live after Charlie Kirk.
00:03:02.100By the way, just got off the phone with Mike Lindell this morning.
00:03:04.940We had a briefing and people really need to understand that what's coming out this week in in Missouri there is going to be absolutely incredible.
00:03:14.560I know what the plan is. I am not at liberty yet to share the plan.
00:03:18.360But people understand that if you want to get your country back, you need to take your elections back first.
00:03:24.220So I've been I've been briefed in. I've been read in on the plan.
00:03:27.420And I am I'm very optimistic about what's going to be coming out of Springfield, Missouri later this week.
00:03:35.260Fantastic. Jack, thank you so much for taking the time away today to do this.
00:04:13.000Everyone knows someone who was affected in this tragedy.
00:04:16.080So the thing right now is I can speak to the experience of the fire and or the current recovery efforts or also what we need in the future.
00:04:26.140And everything that Jack Posobiec was speaking to is absolutely correct.
00:04:31.280His theories, his observations, absolutely correct.
00:04:38.680Tell us just let's start with what happened, what you saw and just walk us through that,
00:04:44.300because I think that a lot of people are concerned about this thing looks so horrific.
00:04:49.240People are having a tough time, at least on the mainland, grasping how this could simply be a wildfire.
00:04:55.040So can you just walk us through your eyewitness of what happened and just get us up to speed of what's going on before we talk about the current damage and then going forward?
00:06:20.540I mean, after you were told it was 100% contained, it hit again?
00:06:26.600Is that when it hit the old town, or is it hit other residential areas?
00:06:30.060In that area, supposedly it was contained, but it had started up higher on the West Maui Mountain up in that area.
00:06:37.900And so no one thought that the lower town of Lahaina was in danger at all.
00:06:41.920There was no preparedness, no understanding that that might even be a possibility for any of those buildings down lower to catch on fire.
00:06:49.760And at the same time, there were reports of other fires all over the island.
00:06:54.540So an upcountry fire in Kula, if you know these locations, and a Kihei fire was reported.
00:07:00.740So there were fires everywhere, kind of coming out sporadically, basically on social media, and even to the point where my own neighborhood in Kihei was evacuated.
00:07:10.240I did get an evacuation notice from my phone.
00:07:13.220So some sort of amber alert came across my phone that said evacuate at 11.30 p.m. that night.
00:07:18.540And we had no idea that Lahaina had already burned.
00:07:21.560So when we got the evacuation notice, we packed up our cars and tried to evacuate my neighborhood.
00:07:28.140But no one really knew what direction to go into because there were no reports.
00:07:36.020I mean, that kind of information was just not made available, and I find that just absolutely unacceptable.
00:07:42.320And this is where I will focus in the future.
00:07:46.500Infrastructure, preparedness is so needed here on a small island like Maui with very small resources.
00:07:52.980Talk to me about were the winds that's being blamed on a combination of climate change, dry cane or underbrush and be cleared off, and the hurricane winds from the hurricane was a couple of miles out.
00:08:10.640Did the wind seem to you to be, because some people are saying they were 60 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour, which is a, that is a stiff breeze.
00:08:17.740Were the winds beforehand anything that got your attention?
00:08:34.300And what I did observe the few days beforehand, there was some sort of ash in the air everywhere.
00:08:40.120So there was something clouding the air everywhere.
00:08:43.760In my background here, normally I can see straight out to Ko'olawe, the next island.
00:08:48.560And that island wasn't even visible to me the days leading up to this.
00:08:53.380So I'm not sure what was in the atmosphere, but there was something clouding the atmosphere for a few days.
00:08:58.500And then the winds just kept building, and they were sporadic at times.
00:09:02.740But I didn't see anyone's umbrellas lifting off.
00:09:05.980I mean, in high winds, normally you have the, we take all of our patio furniture away, and there was nothing that lifted any of our patio chairs.
00:09:16.180So even though it was gusty, it didn't seem that bad.
00:09:18.920But somehow Lahaina turned into some sort of wind tunnel.
00:09:23.060And I would not, I don't want to project how that was caused.
00:09:32.680Let me go back to the ash, you said for a couple of days beforehand.
00:09:39.540Had there been, there had been talk, there were smaller brush fires going.
00:09:45.100But you had a problem a year ago, I think, that some people were arrested for arson.
00:09:49.500Has the government come out, or the authorities come out and said, the cause of this, is it arson?
00:09:54.760Because 85% of, I think, wildfires are set by humans, or have not, or some accidentally, some on purpose, but have a human element to it.
00:10:03.200A couple of days beforehand, that ash, did that come from brush fires that were already going on that you were aware of?
00:10:09.440No, there were no brush fires at that point.
00:10:12.180Sometimes the wind kicks up some of the topsoil from the valley, but it wasn't brown like the topsoil dust.
00:11:24.660We know what it sounds like, and when you hear that air raid siren, that's when you take cover if it's not one of their testing days.
00:11:31.480So there's no reason why those shouldn't have been sounded and going off, like everywhere, all over the island, all day long.
00:11:37.760What have the authorities told you so far?
00:11:42.980What have they told the citizens, not people here in the mainland or not people worldwide?
00:11:47.900What are they telling the citizens right now about what actually happened?
00:11:51.700Are you getting any constant information from them?
00:11:54.400Oh, of course, they just say the high winds from the hurricane and the low-pressure system created the fires, sparked the fires.
00:12:02.220So they're giving us explanations, but they don't sound that plausible, especially when you see the disaster, especially when you see the results.
00:12:09.600I was present during 9-11 in Manhattan.
00:12:56.920Let's just pray it's not in the thousands, but it's definitely going to rise.
00:13:01.520They're having trouble identifying the bodies because a lot of people are just turned to ash, and there's not much left of them.
00:13:08.660So it is a delicate setting, and I understand that they want to keep people out, but they've actually locked – the official authorities who've come in now have locked down the area way too tight so that people cannot get supplies into the other residents who are without electricity.
00:13:27.120Our boots-on-the-ground local community, we were there first.
00:13:32.060We had already set up and were supplying everyone with everything they needed.
00:13:35.880And then when the big agencies come in, they lock everyone down.
00:13:42.340And so it makes it even more heartbreaking for those people in pain.
00:13:46.580Maybe it's needed to identify the bodies and to gather everyone who might be turned to ash, but there needs to be a better system.
00:13:58.040But like I said, there's only one road in and one road out.
00:14:00.980There is a back road that's very treacherous, and most people should not be taking that back road, and it's actually closed leaving the town.
00:14:08.280So the only way in and out is on the main road, and the authorities have that locked down really tight.
00:14:14.100You must show an ID or a medical excuse from a doctor in order to get in.
00:14:18.600It's really – and now they're suggesting that they're going to create ID cards so that people could come and go if you show your papers.
00:14:29.660Sheila, can you hang on for one second?
00:14:31.160Sheila Walker joins us from Maui about this intense tragedy that's taking place.
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00:21:04.800I mean, I've seen more about what's happening here from the national news, from the big syndicates in the national news than I have from local news.
00:21:12.500And it's not because they don't want to.
00:21:14.660They haven't been able to get their hands on the information or get the interviews with any of the officials here.
00:21:20.360So the local news is definitely being repressed on purpose.
00:21:24.140And so all of us social media warriors are trying to get the message out of what's really going on here,
00:21:30.100because the magnitude of this is unfathomable.
00:21:34.400It's the worst disaster we've seen in the islands in all of its history.
00:21:40.040And it is said to be the worst wildfire disaster in all of the United States.
00:22:08.620Sheila, I just mentioned something before you go, that it could be the greatest casualties ever in a wildfire.
00:22:15.480If you look at out west, some of that underbrush has never been cut away, and some of these massive forests that have burned.
00:22:21.940And then you see Hawaii, and they're trying to blame on climate change, and, you know, there's dry seas.
00:22:26.900You know, you guys have a drought going on, and the cane.
00:22:30.220It's just something that doesn't add up.
00:22:31.260I mean, that's why the authorities need to come out and start putting out some information because it's just so many things here that just don't make sense.
00:22:38.420Sheila Walker, how do people get to you?
00:22:40.580How do they get to you on social media and follow you, ma'am?
00:22:43.080Please follow me, Sheila Walker for State Senate.
00:23:34.200Is the attorney general now admitting, Brother Hoff, that the police reports are accurate and true, that everything that you've broken with these great investigators and these great heroes that are putting it forward in Michigan actually did happen?
00:23:49.100Yeah, this was quite a surprise for us.
00:23:52.480Well, I think it was quite a little bit.
00:23:55.480The attorney general there, far left attorney general, came out with a statement, and the Detroit News wrote about this, and it pretty much echoed our reporting for the whole week.
00:24:06.340They admitted that there was 8,000 to 10,000 suspected fraudulent registrations turned into the Muskegon County or Muskegon City Clerk's Office during the election.
00:24:16.840uh they admitted that uh the the group was gbi strategies which we had we had uh reported on
00:24:25.540uh they admitted that uh this group was connected with democrats this was actually in the detroit
00:24:31.300press i mean that's a shock it's you know after reading this report in the detroit press steve
00:24:37.640we were tempted to um file charges for them stealing our work because basically what they
00:24:44.280said was everything that we had confirmed during the week and so um it really is quite surprising
00:24:52.720and steve i think it takes greater minds uh you know than than us but why would they come out and
00:24:59.380admit all of this on a friday it's it's just it's really stunning i guess they had no escape hatch
00:25:06.240um we also did i did speak with the uh police officer on friday who wrote this report who did
00:25:13.260the investigation it's an amazing investigation incredible read if if your uh listeners and
00:25:18.700viewers want to want to uh look at it um but he he you know the first thing he said to me was um
00:25:25.840the report speaks for itself he didn't know who i was i don't think and so he and it appeared to me
00:25:32.140that maybe he's had um a few calls from some other uh maybe not so friendly news organizations but that
00:25:38.780was his first uh response he told me to talk to the communications person but i peppered him with
00:25:44.280a few questions and he also admitted that this is an organization gbi strategies from what he found
00:25:51.360it's a registration organization funded by democrats uh black block this uh black pack this uh uh0.98
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00:26:07.220liberals um but uh they they uh donated according to the fec for 11 million in 2020 to gbi strategies
00:26:15.600and there's also proof that democrat groups uh funded another 5 million in 2020 to uh this this uh
00:26:25.560organization so that's a whole lot of money for people going out uh and and creating a whole lot of
00:26:34.180uh registration steve across the country so this police officer confirmed to me that they're in
00:26:39.300several uh several states from his research um but it's it's a very damning report and um again uh we
00:26:47.840continue to follow uh the leads we have some people now who are speaking with us we uh are excited to
00:26:54.440report um that that we'll have some updates in the coming days and uh our wonderful reporter patty
00:27:01.520mcmurray is going to uh come out with uh an exclusive in a couple hours on the firearms that
00:27:07.160were found in the office there so we have a lot going on can you just hang on for once you just hang
00:27:13.420on for one second we're going to play oliver anthony's great massive hit rich men north of richmond
00:27:21.220my hometown um we're going to keep hoffed because dana nestle i think try to take a mini victory lap
00:27:32.360we'll we'll ask hoff on the uh return oliver anthony
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00:30:02.000so um hoft i don't want to bury the lead here brother but didn't dana nestle in acknowledging
00:30:13.400the facts that you guys had brought up by the detroit news trying to run cover for
00:30:18.200she took a victory lap didn't she say this just goes to show you that we caught them in the act1.00
00:30:24.900and this shows you that the elections are fair are there any facts that you've seen in the police
00:30:29.800report or anything that shows that we actually they actually caught them in the act and that
00:30:32.980the eight to ten thousand or and all the other districts that you know came up and said hey we had
00:30:38.680the same problem didn't actually get into the system uh there's no proof of that steve at all
00:30:44.600and that was from the report dana nestle and her uh office uh came out with this statement that they
00:30:51.300successfully let me read this um they uh there was no successful fraud was perpetrated upon upon the
00:30:58.900state's election process that's what they that's what they said and they also had a line in there
00:31:05.180then they kind of flipped the script and say fraud was being perpetrated against gbi strategies by its
00:31:12.680employees okay so it was the employees that were just randomly um perpetrating fraud that's i guess
00:31:21.320that's their their statement now um it was interesting from this report too steve that uh dana nestle's
00:31:27.420office said that she's on top of this and she's going to um refer this to the fbi so thank goodness
00:31:33.780because we already knew that from the report in 2020 that it was okay but this this shows you her
00:31:39.460this shows you her lies are are they prosecuting because we certainly love the interview the people
00:31:45.340at that work for uh for for uh and what they were instructed to do if she's saying the fraud is at the
00:31:51.120employees okay let's see that what she's trying to do is protect the donors in the apparatus this is0.96
00:31:58.260what we talked about on saturday the two billion dollars that goes into the apparatus it's going
00:32:03.140into the apparatus in 2024 is all these donor ngos that's what gb strategy is you notice nestle
00:32:10.540immediately comes to their defense and throws the workers under the bus saying they're guilty
00:32:14.520hold it have they been charged have you know has dana nestle charged anybody with fraud this thing is
00:32:20.020what two years almost three years old brother hoft has any individuals been charged with fraud
00:32:24.960that work for gbi strategy sir to your knowledge well you know steve they know the name of this person
00:32:30.640who brought in the eight to ten thousand ballots they also brought in another twenty five hundred
00:32:34.600uh registrations i mean twenty five hundred registrations later on um this person was never
00:32:39.960charged i asked uh lieutenant anderson this the man who wrote the report he said as far as he knows
00:32:45.820uh this person has not been charged so um there you go you can you can turn in uh eight thousand
00:32:52.020fraudulent registrations now and walk free the next day um that's uh the democrat system uh you know
00:33:00.020working for you in michigan um where do you go from here on this investigation uh today we're going
00:33:09.280to be reporting on the firearms the mysterious firearms that of course the atf got involved and
00:33:14.420said well this is just fine we have some more information on that we also i i have to tell you steve we've
00:33:20.100heard from some other individuals uh who work in the state and uh we're going to be putting out a
00:33:25.500couple reports in the coming days uh from what we found out from other uh people uh who are
00:33:32.220associated with clerks in the state of michigan okay perfect uh well you are the tip of the spear here
00:33:39.940but nestle bit and you're training by andrew breitbart knows when they bite you know where to go from
00:33:47.380here uh but great job you smoked them out and i think 72 hours uh hop so not too shabby dana
00:33:54.840nestle's a tough one to get oh definitely a tough one to get two hours it took him 72 hours to come
00:34:00.760out and agree with the gateway pundit so we're very proud of that but even better than that agree with
00:34:07.140the gateway pundit and all the facts and then lie about that's a bald-faced lie let me just say dana
00:34:12.620no dana nestle's lied if it's about fraud about far the individuals well hey you've had three years to
00:34:18.820do it why why have you rolled them up and oh by the way you've turned it over to the fbi the fbi from
00:34:23.980the police reports had it for three years dana nestle's already bald-faced lied twice why affirming
00:34:30.440the facts that you've laid out it doesn't get any better than this brother it doesn't get any better
00:34:35.420remember she's the demon that said she's the demon when she's going around to these rooms and raising the
00:34:40.060money she's talking about she'd have a drag queen uh drag queen show in every school remember that0.98
00:34:45.200we could you guys i think it was you guys that had the tape on that when she was raising money to run
00:34:48.760for ag she's a demon you got man you got it now just run with it i was only jim hoft and the gateway
00:34:56.840pundit can do jim how did it get to all your social media how they get to you i love this one
00:35:01.300probably the story i love most right now uh steve it's thegatewaypundit.com of course is our website
00:35:08.260where you can find everything in all of our updates and of course we're on all the uh social
00:35:12.140media outlets uh truth and and getter and telegram and twitter twitter x and facebook and so we're out
00:35:21.020there but come to our website is where you'll find the latest updates these stories keep hitting every
00:35:27.620day so uh and of course uh patty's going to have a update on the weapons i'm sure that's gonna be
00:35:32.140interesting um thank you very much jim hoff great effort on everything and just keep driving
00:35:37.520thanks steve um oliver anthony's song is obviously a monster hit uh this whole issue of toxic
00:35:48.980masculinity i want to bring in frank bill who is a working man that's also a writer he's got an
00:35:53.780amazing piece in a place that you wouldn't expect the daily beast frank walk me through your background
00:35:59.860you're a writer but you're a working man and tell me about this about this uh piece you wrote
00:36:05.360about uh the is masculinity dead in writing sir yeah i wrote that back in uh like 2017 basically uh
00:36:14.220one of the editors had reached out to me they liked my my first first two books uh crimes in
00:36:19.460southern indiana a book of short stories and uh donny brook and basically asked me to write this
00:36:26.780piece on masculinity you know because of what i write about and uh we got to talking because there's
00:36:33.080not a whole lot of writers that write like me you know um about men who do things with their hands
00:36:37.720that work for a living um lift weights those kinds of things and uh get out you know there's nothing
00:36:43.440toxic about it but you know you look at guys like harry cruz larry brown you know they were all masculine
00:36:47.460guys uh and they wrote about the working class and the things they've seen and and done on top of being
00:36:53.200teachers at some point in their lives also but uh you know they worked hard jobs and uh got out and
00:36:57.960help people in their community and and are you know basically the backs of the working class you
00:37:01.760know the blue collar you know the taxpayers um and so whenever i sit down to write it you know i'm
00:37:07.160going through and looking at kind of a dying breed of writers really i mean there's not a lot of guys
00:37:12.140that i can uh connect with you know as a writer i mean there are some but they don't do what i do
00:37:18.240you know some people are either teaching or they write for a living where i'm doing both you know i'm
00:37:23.440working in a factory 12 hour shifts at night and then i'm writing uh my days off at night because
00:37:27.860i keep the same hours why is that why do we have such little masculinity in in writing because now
00:37:37.560it's all devolved to you got to be a professor you have to be an academic or you have to be a public
00:37:42.560intellectual working class men or are they ruled out by the publishing houses is the topics
00:37:47.860they choose or are the power of the writing i think we're a dying breed i mean you know anything
00:37:54.900you do now that's looked at as being manly they want to put a topic on it or label it as toxic when
00:37:59.300it's not you know the things that you do i really can't say you know i tried to apply to mfa programs
00:38:05.140in the past and always got shot down even after i got published i mean i've written for playboy
00:38:09.040magazine grana new york times i've written for all these different places and it's and the things i've
00:38:13.220written is always coming from the things that i've done or the people that i know or you know my
00:38:17.300my family my family values my grandfather my mother my dad all those things um i think it's
00:38:24.080just an area that's ignored uh you know i don't really know how to just sum it up other than you
00:38:28.300know when a young person asked me when i've spoke at colleges it's like i'm gonna quit my day job
00:38:32.220become a writer do you what do you think or why haven't you quit your day job i'm like dude have
00:38:35.440you ever paid a mortgage have you ever it's you don't just write a book and quit your job it's just
00:38:41.420not how it works you need to get out get a job get some life experience
00:38:45.160do we also have a crisis in reading do you think enough young men are actually
00:38:51.380being raised in that in that time of formation uh to read a lot do you think that's one of the
00:38:57.440issues we have that they've just for whatever reason uh just stopped reading and really stopped
00:39:03.460reading the the powerful uh canon of western civilization it's good possibility very good
00:39:10.600possibility i mean the large percentage percentage of readers are are basically women you know
00:39:17.120females pretty much rule the market when it comes to reading um but i think that also stems because1.00
00:39:22.960there's a lot of things that men don't perceive as what they can identify with i guess is what i'm
00:39:29.100saying because you know when i grew up a lot of things i read were basically non-fiction and comic
00:39:33.080books and when i got older i discovered this whole canon of things like hemingway larry brown
00:39:37.820uh chuck polonick you know when i read fight club it gave me a whole new perception of a guy who's
00:39:43.120writing about identity and how all these outside forces interfere with your identity as a man you
00:39:49.560know and he starts a fight club you know in the book and then uh you always have to deal with the
00:39:54.040consumer culture you know you're just like your phone when you pick it up and it takes you somewhere
00:39:59.040else you know you're constantly getting away from what you're supposed to be doing every day when you
00:40:02.460pick that phone up so you know yeah there's a there's a major there's a major problem there's a major
00:40:07.680disconnect i've always said i i write i write for everybody that do right for men i wish more
00:40:12.240men would read my work maybe maybe other writers they look at it as boring you know i try not to
00:40:17.540be boring on the page but i try to instill blue collar values and the things and the people that i
00:40:22.660know and all the crazy things that i've done into my work you know so we say blue collar values walk me
00:40:30.740through that what what are america's blue collar values in in your mind and what you write about
00:40:35.680well other than being kind to others you know but you i was raised where my parents you know there
00:40:41.580was everybody had a name there was nothing about identity politics or my parents ran around with
00:40:46.160everybody they went to concerts on the weekend and hung out and they drank not that that's a value but
00:40:50.980it's community and you're connecting with people um i was always taught to be kind of generous to
00:40:55.420other people i was raised uh taught out to to garden uh you know you put the garden out every year
00:41:00.360you pick the garden doing canning uh learn how to hunt to fish and when you hunt you know you're
00:41:07.240supplying food for the table you know how to process that animal you didn't go down the street to
00:41:11.960joe bob's and say hey i need a here's uh two hundred dollars you're gonna process my deer you know my dad
00:41:16.140my grandfather they kill a deer it's in the tree you're gutting it feel dress at first of course but
00:41:21.200you're gutting it and then you're taking care of everything you know cutting up and quartering the
00:41:25.080meat and everything letting it sit in the cold water until it's sitting long enough to get the
00:41:28.220gaminess out of it because it's the first thing you got to do um and i grew up as a methodist going
00:41:33.200to church um but i don't i don't think you really have to identify with any religion per se but there
00:41:38.220is a spirituality that you have to have because you learn lessons in in religion you know that's what
00:41:43.680it's all about is you know being kind and generous to others and helping people out you know it's kind
00:41:47.160of a teamwork it's almost like um military in a way you know i don't want to you gain discipline
00:41:53.220and everything from these values you know um i think it's a lot of what what we've lost is
00:41:57.900people we've lost our skills you know we don't have any pioneering skills anymore i mean younger
00:42:02.680people now are getting classes on how to wash dishes and do laundry i mean that was something
00:42:07.460that you know what i grew up you know i've seen that and it's crazy i've heard that you know we
00:42:11.620had home heck and shop class when i was a kid but you know you also pick those traits up from your
00:42:15.260grandmother or your grandfather you know and in my household the women were just as tough as the men1.00
00:42:19.880you know my mom and my grandmother on both sides of the aisle they had so much life experience that we
00:42:26.100don't we don't have anymore it's it's kind of sad amen amen how do people get to your site how they
00:42:33.240get to your writing and find out more about you more about your books where they go uh you can go to
00:42:38.820any of the brick or mortar stores and of course you've got amazon barnes and noble books a million
00:42:42.960uh all my books are out there i've written written four books for ross ross and gerald and you can find
00:42:47.480me on instagram facebook and twitter uh what's your twitter handle i believe it's just frank bill
00:42:57.020or frank m bill um and i think a long time ago i had opened a getter account but i never used it i'd
00:43:03.680seen joe rogan was on there and i'd place my account on there but i rarely use it but uh yeah i'm on i'm
00:43:09.740more on instagram than anything else instagram what's the handle on instagram uh frank m bill i think
00:43:16.700there's some little dashes in there but yeah i'm easy to find i don't have a private account
00:43:19.960and do you have a uh do you have a website i do not have a website i have a an old blog that i never
00:43:29.040never touch too busy working frank bill thank you very much for joining us here in the world make sure
00:43:36.500we will push this all out it's very tough to have a couple of jobs and be a writer too frank bill
00:43:42.140thanks the lack of masculinity and writing thank you very much brother short break back in the
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