Episode 2968： The Reckless Spending Continues;. Lies For Ukraine
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In this week's show, we discuss the latest in the Trump vs. Putin saga, the current state of education in Australia, the rise of the alt-right and the growing cult movement. We also have a special guest on the show this week, the National Action Network's Rev. reverend Rev. Al Sharps.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do
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people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these
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people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to
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save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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trump said on social media on truth socially he was boasting about uh the debates why he's not
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going to do it he said the public already knows who i am right and he goes on at the end of the
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of the post to say i will therefore not be doing the debates plural it sounds like he might not do
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any of them uh unfortunately by skipping the debates joe uh donald trump may actually be helping joe biden
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because he's giving joe biden an excuse for not debating donald trump that's one of the things
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that ronna mcdaniel told the former president when she was trying to get him to do the first debate but
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he said nope not going to do it what specific actions has he taken that has helped and and helped
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take the school boards over that remember are then going to remove the administrations of the schools
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districts and get down to cleaning out these schools in the commonwealth to be honest with you steve very
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little um the the parental rights is you know largely been a listening session um the laws haven't
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really been been changed he doesn't have the laws and the book banning is just using that's just using
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the left's terminology when you have books that are inappropriate for the age of the child you don't
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give them to the child we don't hand out trigonometry books to kindergartners because it's not appropriate
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so nobody's banning books and that's another you know microphone he could pick up and and talk about
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and make it make sense to people when when the left is out there calling you book banners it's simply a
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matter of messaging and let's bring in the president of the national action network and host of
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msnbt's politics nation reverend al sharps so we're not going to say that this is a cult we don't know
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how to define cults mika doesn't know how to define cults i don't know how to define cults the only thing
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i will say is at the same time you look at this and see that uh people are going to trust donald trump
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more than they trust their family they're going to trust donald trump more than they trust their
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friends they're going to trust donald trump more than they trust conservative media figures
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they're going to trust donald trump more than they trust their leaders of faith by almost 30 percentage
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points more than they trust their pastors more than they trust their priests more than they trust men
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and women of god uh this if if you want to start digging into and studying whether this is a cult or
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not and we don't know whether it's a cult or not my gosh we're just not qualified to make that
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assessment uh i know that there are probably going to be a lot of a lot of people a lot of really smart
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people who study cults looking at these numbers and going wow they they trust this failed reality
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tv hosts more than they trust family members friends religious and religious leaders it sounds
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whatever it sounds like hold it hold it hold it come on denver let me come in here hold it put a pin
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in it right there that's so good i may have to i may play that throughout the day i think it's our new
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mantra and you saw mika poor mika she's sitting over there shaking her head the poll trump trump trusted
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more than family friends conservative media figures politicians but uh by almost two to one over
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religious figures so they are officially in the mumble tank of course president trump has announced
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he's not going to any debates i think the war room posse had a tiny bit to do with that murdoch's trap
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didn't work it's monday uh 20 august year of our lord 2023 a packed week in jackson hole this week
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the central bankers will get together as the world's economy um teeters on what we call a credit event
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a a massive credit crunch led by the criminal element of the chinese commerce party of course
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she will be in durban south africa for the other important meeting this week and that is the uh
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now i think 60 nations coming together for this bricks summit to look at an alternative currency
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at the very moment the uh the yuan which is the chinese currency and the ruble are under incredible
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pressure all the talk is there's got to be some alliance between india and china to make this work
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but they're looking at a some sort of a gold backed alternative to the u.s dollars the de-dollarization
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movement continues unabated while uh china looks like it needs at least a trillion dollar
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bailout and they didn't really move very strongly today just a slight uh movement on their interest
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rates on a short term not even the five year or the five um yeah the five year so a lot of questions
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what's coming out of beijing what can they actually do they actually have any ability to stave it off
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as we've warned you look for a bailout by the biden regime the secretary of commerce is en route to
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beijing right now in milwaukee president trump has said hey i'm not going to get on the stage with
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the keebler elves and guess what i'm never going to get on the stage with the keebler elves because
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the polling's out we're gonna have rich embarrassed later the polling out is absolutely blow out polling
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numbers so i should give the keebler elves a platform to you know be keebler elves just go about you know
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talk amongst yourself we're calling for it no we all war room posse members become a force multiplier
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friends don't let friends watch stevie tv for stupid people this wednesday make sure they do not
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watch the debate there's nothing to listen to there it's just a bunch of uh uh empty rhetoric just word
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salads with all that going on uh this continual um financial crisis there is uh all types of reporting now
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about what chip roy put up over the weekend and about forcing biden's hand to shut down his own
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government because of this massive overspending everybody's talking about what is going to happen
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when they return in september because you can't start to fix the world's financial crisis until you fix
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one of the central problems of this and this is the federal reserve continuing to print fiat money
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to pay for the two trillion dollar per year uh deficits we have on a uniparty that is out of
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control russ vote has been at the tip of the spear of this russ just just before we get to the details
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just strategically you see him coming after him we're gonna have dershowitz on they're trying they're
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trying to come up now with the 14th amendment you got federal society uh newsome announced last night
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they're going to take trump off the ballot in california so they're coming at trump on the 14th amendment
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the lawfare trump is going to probably do something down in georgia this week you got the lawfare element
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of it you've got the you know you saw yunkin and uh and uh kemp on stage with eric erickson on the
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never trump movement it's just they're hitting trump from every angle radical democrats all of it but we
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got to get back to the crisis we're in now about about spending because we're not going to have trump's
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not going to have any runway whatsoever when he returns in january of 2025 russ vote
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give us to tell us the battle plan here to set the stage for us well i think the two are very
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connected in the sense that these congressional deadlines are leverage points and they are
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leverage points that have massive media messaging opportunities and this is the last leverage point
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we talk about the leverage points all the time on this show but this is the last leverage point
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before the election there'll be one in next september but it's largely right before the election is never
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used but this is the last real one where you have a year of of political relief without an election
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coming where you can have a big debate on something that's shaping and impacting the country and this is
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the moment where you have to go after the weaponization that's occurring against lawsuits against political
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opponents we we've now gone over you know the river with regard to we are now using legal and lawfare
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to in a very roman way where if you were not out of if you're not in office you're getting sued
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and and that is not that is a that is a debate we have to take to the country we have to take a debate
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to the country about the extent to which the fbi is weaponized the border has been weaponized so i think
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what some of the house conservatives are going to saying already and going to continue to say is that
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this has to be a big debate on the security of the country half the country is no longer secure and
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there should be no funding to the extent that there is no security in this country and that applies to
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the border the department of justice even energy security and i think that will that debate will
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come to head in the next few weeks and unfortunately kevin mccarthy is doing what we always know he would be
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doing but what he's doing now is he's much more brazen about it and he's out there right now conspiring
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with chuck schumer to do a continuing resolution we're just going to autopilot to avoid a government
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shutdown and i think what's changed is that the american people want to shut down they want to shut
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down weaponized government that is the whole goal and that needs to occur and the debate that occurs
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needs to be about the the way and the extent to which the government has been weaponized against the
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american people and convince more and more a lot of us know it a lot of us don't know it and those
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people that don't know it it's a dynamic debate to get their attention okay this audience was so
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powerful during the january fight the other fights that come subsequent to that the debt ceiling fight
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what russ is talking about 30 september is the end of the fiscal year the fiscal year for the u.s
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government is not the calendar year it ends at midnight on the 30th of september so therefore
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they must have not just a budget passed but more importantly is actually technically where's
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the money go the appropriations bill now russ i got about a minute uh here before we got to go to
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break because i want to play we're going to move our song up to the a block uh today and going forward
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russ um i thought all this is going to be covered in the appropriations process i thought that was all
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going to be taken care of we're going to get our cuts now everybody that you know all the people that
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were not the 70 that voted for mccarthy told us oh we're going to you know people that voted for
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the rule all we were going to get all of our cuts nothing to worry about a regular order this is all
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going to happen by september where are we on that brother all nonsense they have passed no
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appropriations bills there is no path in sight to pass these appropriations bills in a way that
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will actually lead to cuts we knew this we predicted this and now we're in this situation where there's a
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pile up in the aisle and we've got to do everything we can to make sure that they can't go forward
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by funding the the worst parts of these agencies and that's why i think it's going to be really
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vital for this message to prevail of no security no funding to really focus the debate on the
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weaponization that's coming but unfortunately you know we've lost the leverage points because
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you know the uniparty gave it away but we do have an opportunity here to override the cartel
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it is not something that a member of congress can go home and explain to them yeah i just fully
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funded the fbi no i just fully funded mayorkis's dhs we're going to break it all down we come back
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we're going to take a short break we're going to play our song uh we're playing songs that honor
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america songs of original american of voices because we have pride not just in the month of june we have
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pride in this country and pride in the foundational elements of the judeo-christian west every day here in
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the uh in the war room uh russ folks going to just going to break down and go through exactly what
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he talks about having a national debate now and not having a continuing resolution but force joe
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biden's hand force joe biden to see what he actually funded won't to uh make sure that he gets uh that
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he shuts down his own government okay billy joe shaver this morning get behind me satan with john
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i couldn't see my hand in front of my face i knew that i was buried in the deepest darkest place
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the deeds i had done put me in this awful place then i felt a stir inside me and a smile came across my face
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and i said get deep behind me satan for i commanded in the name of the lord jesus christ
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of nazareth yeah get deep behind me satan for i commanded in the name of the lord jesus christ
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I think we've got, if Denver, if you have a, I think we have the clip from Morning Joe
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So, Russ, when this comes back, when people come back, I want to walk through exactly
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Let me just, I want to play one thing and kind of tee you up this.
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Now, you remember on everything we've talked about with Harnwell over the last week about
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And it's Ukrainian field commanders that are saying, we can't do this anymore because
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You're about to see the arrogance of the American pro-military escalation elite.
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Let's hear Admiral Stavridis, the genius that's been on MSNBC now for a year and a half,
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Let's hear what this genius had to say this morning.
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I think the intelligence is largely accurate in describing what you were told.
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Let's remember, just like in sports, things can change very quickly in the flash of an eye.
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Last night, I watched a tennis match, finals of the lead-up tournament to the U.S. Open.
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Each of them held a match point several times through the match until Djokovic finally prevailed.
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Point two, I wouldn't count out entirely a Ukrainian breakthrough.
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They still haven't put the mass of armor to work as effectively as we would hope.
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They've killed so many young Ukrainian men in this debacle.
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Remember, the Ukrainian, they said, hey, you're going to lose a ton of people for mass casualties,
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And the Ukrainians came back and said, hey, we can't take mass casualties now that we're actually doing it.
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Russ Vogt, this is going to be an element of the Ukraine funding,
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but give us the overall picture when you talk about weaponization.
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We now know we're going to have almost a $2 trillion deficit this year that has to be paid for.
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And we know the Chinese are dumping government securities as quickly as they can dump them because they need the cash, right?
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In this fiasco, in this total fiasco, is there anyone acting like an adult except for the Freedom Caucus,
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your organization, the War Room Posse, and a few others that are sitting there going, this has to stop.
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And if Biden has to shut down this government in order for us to get it in front of the nation, then so be it, sir?
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And the people that negotiated the debt limit deal were concerned primarily about permitting reform that didn't exist
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instead of the actual fiscal bills that our country is racking up on a day and weekly basis.
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And so, but there are leverage points in which they will need the people that just put out a statement,
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House Freedom Caucus, largely around the message of no security, no funding.
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The House is very divided, and we've got a shot to stop this in its tracks.
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But it's going to require getting McCarthy back from the brink and using some of the institutional levers that they have.
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And one of the things that they will be up against, and I'm really glad you showed that clip,
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is that the Hawks will be one of the main problems in the next month.
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The Hawks demanding funding for Ukraine, putting unrealistic expectations with regard to the annual increases that are needed for just normal baseline defense.
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Of course, they're having to backfill what we're giving to Ukraine.
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That is going to be a major aspect politically of whether Republicans can hold strong.
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And that is something that's going to have to shape out because the defense Hawks have been one of the main reasons we cannot control ourselves spending-wise
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is because of their artificial spending demands on the country.
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The – you know, and this is kind of common sense.
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What we're asking for is common sense things because you have to get our fiscal house in order.
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We just can't continue like this, and now it's going to come up.
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Do you believe that – you know, we had 70 vote against this the first time, right?
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If even some corpus of that hangs tough here, and maybe even pick up some people that have heard from the constitution,
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because everybody we talk to throughout the country, we go to conferences, we have congressmen, 100 percent,
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their constitution say you must cut the spending, and if Biden's got to shut down the government, so be it.
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If McCarthy – because he's already flipped his cards over.
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He's working with McConnell and Schumer to do this continuing resolution.
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If McCarthy needs 40 or 50 votes, if he's short, instead of coming back and really getting down to business about doing cuts,
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if he reaches out to Hakeem Jeffries again to really let Hakeem Jeffries run the deal,
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do you believe that that will initiate a motion to vacate?
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Do we just say, hey, the cartel has proven they can't run this.
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They've lied about everything, and now they're jammed up.
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Do you believe that will lead to a motion to vacate?
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I do, and I think the fact that we won the debate so exhaustively with regard to the debt limit package being a complete disaster,
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we won it completely, and the members that are in Congress that were supportive of that debt limit say that often.
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They say, you know, look, in our districts that thing was enormously unpopular.
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and I believe that after having given McCarthy that one-off,
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I think that the more conservative members will be keeping him on a short leash and heading into the next few weeks and months.
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I'm not making any prediction as to what they end up doing,
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but I would just say that in terms of the members of Congress and what is a cartel-busting vote,
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and that's what you have to go home and explain to your constituents,
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that you were with Kevin McCarthy instead of defunding the Department of Justice and the FBI.
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It might have been possible on a debt limit, and we made that impossible,
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but it will not be on the front end, and they won't be able to get away with it.
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So I do think we have a lot of opportunity here.
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Okay, so Russ just told you, because of your efforts, being a force multiplier, contacting people,
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making those phone calls, we won the first one.
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I know you're putting stuff on Twitter, but I want people to get back involved in this
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and make sure I realize some people have taken the summer off, but we need people up to speed.
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Where do they go over at the center right now to get everybody, let's start doing reps.
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Yeah, I would direct them to our social media channels, at RussVote, at AmRenewCitizen,
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And the first thing, just a very quick action item, we will retweet, we will retruth,
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we will put it on Getter, the House Freedom Caucus statement that just went up while we were talking.
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That's something that can be done today and make that thing go viral.
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That's the message that will be heading into the next several weeks before they come back in two.
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I'm not near my social media, and I don't have my – I can't read it.
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They put out a statement that says these are the terms by which we are going to be able to allow you to move forward,
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and it tracks with what we've been talking about, which is you've got to have the immigration bill that was a lockdown border bill.
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You've got to defund the weaponization of the Department of Justice.
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You've got to deal with the woke policies that are making it so we have a military that is aimed at us and not protecting the country.
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And we've got to get back to spending levels that are pre-the Biden weaponization buildup.
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Those are the terms by which they are putting forward, and they're saying we're not going forward with a continuing resolution unless we get these terms.
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That went out under the banner of no security, no funding, very critical to get that message out.
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Okay, the fight is now – it's starting to heat up.
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The war and posse needs to man the ramparts, and we'll have action items every day to do.
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Where do they go once again to filing on social media?
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At Russ Vogt is mine, and at AM Renew Center is the one for the center.
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We'll have it updated on an ongoing, continual basis.
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I know that we've had a lot of setbacks, but we're having victories every day, and we can have a victory today.
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And if we believe, the members of Congress that were asking to take a tough stand to shut this government down will believe as well.
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If we can get that Freedom Caucus tweet and message, if Grace and Captain Bannock can put it up, make sure we get it everywhere.
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Carly Bonet and the great team over at Midnight Writer.
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Carly, first off, tell us where you are because you're going to be a surrogate.
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But the lead story in The Hill this morning, all about two of our guests today, Carly Lake and Matt Rosendale.
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But first off, tell me, President Trump's announced he ain't going to Milwaukee.
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What is Carly Lake doing for the Keebler Elves?
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You know, I'm from the Midwest, so I'm always happy to be here in the Midwest.
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I know a lot of people won't be, but we'll be watching it and speaking up for President Trump.
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I mean, he's been 40 to 60 points up, 40 or 50 points up, I should say, in the polls for months now.
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The people of this country know where he stands on the issues.
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They trust him to get us back on track, to get the inflation tamed, to get the economy
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back on track, to end this war that Joe Biden is dragging us into.
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He has the greatest name ID in the whole country.
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And Republicans are ready to get him back on the ticket and get him back in the White House.
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It's really obvious when you have Babe Ruth and then a bunch of t-ball players who you want to put on the team.
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Kerry's going to be what they call in the spin room as a surrogate for President Trump because President Trump is too busy that night.
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There's going to be a massive interview with Tucker Carlson.
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And President Trump has announced he ain't doing any debates for a primary.
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But President Trump's not going to walk into these traps.
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We're going to be back in the warm in just a moment.
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Social media, on Truth Social, he was boasting about the debates, why he's not going to do it.
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Unfortunately, by skipping the debates, Donald Trump may actually be helping Joe Biden
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because he's giving Joe Biden an excuse for not debating Donald Trump.
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That's one of the things that Ronna McDaniel told the former president
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when she was trying to get him to do the first debate, but he said, nope, not going to do it.
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And let's bring in the president of the National Action Network
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and host of MSNBT's Politics Nation, Reverend Al Sharpe.
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So, Rav, we're not going to say that this is a cult.
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The only thing I will say is, at the same time, you look at this and see that
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people are going to trust Donald Trump more than they trust their family.
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They're going to trust Donald Trump more than they trust their friends.
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They're going to trust Donald Trump more than they trust conservative media figures.
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They're going to trust Donald Trump more than they trust their leaders of faith
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by almost 30 percentage points, more than they trust their pastors,
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more than they trust their priests, more than they trust men and women of God.
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And this, if you want to start digging into and studying whether this is a cult or not,
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and we don't know whether it's a cult or not, my gosh,
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we're just not qualified to make that assessment.
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I know that there are probably going to be a lot of...
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I'll get to Al Sharpton's reply there because you've got to hear it, but I'm pressed for time.
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You don't think they're trying to get the message.
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You don't think their narrative has anything to do with a cult, do you?
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Kerry Lake, the Hill newspaper today starts with your picture and Matt Rosendale.
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Matt Rosendale will be at the top of the hour about how Mitch McConnell and Steve Daines are in total meltdown,
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that actually MAGA candidates are thinking about running for the United States Senate
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to represent these fantastic great states out west.
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But then you see right there, Steve Ducey, absolutely in panic mode from Murdoch,
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saying, Ronald McDaniel told you if you don't do the debate, then Biden's not going to debate you.
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He's bouncing around like a little kid, you know, like a little kid that's got, you know,
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Give me your assessment right now of how desperate they are.
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Hillmead looks, just looks despondent, doesn't he?
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He's been pushing so hard for DeSantis, and DeSantis has flamed out in a historic way,
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almost as if DeSantis is on a suicide mission and Kilmeade's just sitting there despondent.
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Everyone's going to be talking about the two people Fox hates most,
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And that's who people are going to be watching.
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You know, they'll watch a few clips from this debate, but you can watch those.
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You don't have to tune into Fox to get those clips.
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You can get them, you know, online or find them on Twitter.
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They're not going to be watching, like I said, the T-ball team when they have, you know,
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when they have Tucker and asking actually legitimate questions, not gotcha questions,
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not trying to bring President Trump down, but asking him legitimate questions.
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Brett Baer is going to be in there, and he was going to try to throw a bunch of bombs at Trump.
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Then you're going to have four or five people coming after him, Chris Christie bloviating,
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It was just going to be a stupid thing where nothing important got put out.
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They weren't going to give Trump an option to talk about what he wants to do to get America back on track.
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And they'll have tens of millions of people watching compared to, I think, what will be record low debate numbers for Fox.
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But Tucker with the president in Milwaukee, the Keebler Elves.
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Trump or you get the Keebler Elves and Brett Baer.
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Real quickly, before we go, Carrie Lake, you're a surrogate for President Trump out there.
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You're doing the duty with the Keebler Elves this week.
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Monday morning is the start of the week politically.
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It's got your picture, Matt Rosendale's picture, and Steve Daines and the Chamber of Commerce and the Union Party are not happy with you, ma'am.
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You know, not only is that not true, we ran the greatest campaign, I think, in the country last cycle.
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And it was all about we the people, all about the people of Arizona who haven't had great representation, unfortunately, by politicians who are just in D.C. to line their pockets.
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So if I decide to jump in, I will be an incredible candidate because I will be representing the people of Arizona.
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You know, my question is, who the heck do they want?
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Do they think Karen Robeson is a good candidate?
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The polling shows in a three-way race I beat both Kyrsten Sinema, who votes in lockstep with Joe Biden, and I beat this other guy, this socialist Marxist.
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But my question is, who does Mitch McConnell want?
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I don't even think he can control what comes out of his mouth anymore.
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I mean, there's something going on right now with him, and I'm not sure he can even control him.
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When you freeze up like that, and they have to, like, take your body and move it away from the podium, something's going on there.
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And he's going to make all the decisions about who represents the people of Arizona?
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How can people follow you this week particularly because you're going to be in Milwaukee as a surrogate for the president?
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They can follow me on Twitter, on Facebook, on Getter, on Truth Social, you know, all of the various places that you can find me, whatever you're comfortable with.
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We're going to have some movement, I think, on some of our cases this week.
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Of course, I'm being sued by a government official, election official, politician for defamation for having the courage to speak out and point out the wrongdoings in this election in 2020 and in 2022.
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We'll probably have some movement on that case and other cases this week as well.
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And you can – we'll be watching you as well, Steve, on debate night.
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Yeah, we're going to be covering the Tucker president.
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We'll tell you how we're going to do it on a live stream.
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Okay, to step back and just put – strategically, I want the audience – because you're a man in the ramparts.
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And Professor Dershowitz came on early on, wrote the book, Get Trump.
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If you read the book, it's entirely what they did.
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And he told you how they were going to do it and what they were going to do and the weakness in that.
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They're also coming to him with the alternative – the Fox and the Murdoch trap.
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He had them both on stage down with Eric Erickson.
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But one thing that they also are coming with – and this is why I had Professor Dershowitz on the moment it happened because I told you it was going to be a big deal.
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You had these two, I don't know, constitutional scholars with the Federal Society, which is Leonard Leo's group that curated everybody that was coming up to be judges and justices and all that.
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The Federal Society, not all of them but some, have come up with this convoluted – Trump's an insurrectionist.
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So, therefore, he cannot run for president, the 14th Amendment.
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Now, as I told you it was going to happen, Gavin Newsom now has tried to weaponize this, and Gavin Newsom has just announced that they're going to move forward, I don't know, with a special session or somehow with the California legislature to try to use this as a predicate to take Donald J. Trump off the ballot.
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We've asked Professor Dershowitz to change his schedule and join us today.
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Professor Dershowitz, you blew this out of the water last week as soon as it came up, but they're relentless about this all weekend.
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He's an insurrectionist, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, and now you've got Newsom moving to take him off the ballot.
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Well, first of all, I predicted that in my book, Trump, I have a whole section on the complicity of the media and academia, and this was an obvious ploy.
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In other words, any secretary of state, any governor who doesn't like a candidate can enforce it.
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For example, the governor of Texas could suddenly decide that Joe Biden is an insurrectionist because of his failure to control the borders, and he can disqualify Joe Biden.
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Look, the framers of the Constitution took so much care to make it so difficult to impeach a sitting president, even if he has committed treason.
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You need two-thirds of the Senate to get rid of a president who's committed treason.
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Do you think the framers of the 14th Amendment would have simply allowed any secretary of state, without any process, without any procedure, to simply say,
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no, we think President Trump has engaged in insurrection, even though no court has ever found that, and therefore we're going to take him off our ballot, and we're going to create a constitutional crisis.
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Professor Tribe does not know what he's talking about, and I guarantee you one thing.
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If the shoe were on the other foot, if this were an attempt to disqualify a Democrat, Professor Tribe would be writing exactly the opposite article and citing exactly the same sources,
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because you can always count on Tribe to twist, distort, and turn the Constitution to come out to make his political points.
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I look at the Constitution not through the eyes of partisan or political politics.
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I look at it through the eyes of history, the framers.
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He first looks at the result he wants, and then he manipulates and figures out how we can get at that result.
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And Judge Ludic has, although he's been a very, very conservative and cautious Republican, has just decided to join this on the other side, and the other two professors, too.
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You don't have a constitutional procedure for disqualifying a candidate without setting up procedures for how you do it.
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As Felix Frankfurter once said, the story of liberty is a story of procedures.
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And if you lack a procedure and you just say it's self-enforcing, any secretary of state, any governor can deprive me of the right to vote against Donald Trump for the third time and deny you the right to vote for Donald Trump the third time.
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If you don't like Donald Trump, vote against him.
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But don't try to disqualify him and tens of millions of Americans who want to vote for him.
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I just want to go back to the – and I've only got a minute here, but I'll hold you through.
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When they came out with their initial analysis on the 14th Amendment, you said that was dead wrong.
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Can you give us a minute on that before we go to break?
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It talks about not having to pay for emancipated slaves.
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It talks about not having to pay the debts of the Confederacy.
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And then it says people who have been involved in the revolt, which meant the Civil War.
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Confederates were proudly proclaiming their support for the Confederacy.
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So it was very obvious who fought against the United States.
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But if you try to project that now 150, 60 years forward, you need a process.
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And the 14th Amendment was designed only, only to make sure that those who fought in the Civil War against the Union could not run for office.
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Professor Dershowitz, just hang on for one second.
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The professor is Alan Dershowitz of Harvard, who is not a Trump supporter, but a very big advocate of what the Constitution does say and does not say in this situation.
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Okay, the reason this is important, the lawfare is not working for them.
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They know they don't have a ground – Tribe knows that this is not constitutional.
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And Professor Dershowitz knows that Tribe knows this is not constitutional.
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And Ludic's one of the most revered guys on the right, and you're going to have a lot of the federal society.
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It's going to be a massive psyop narrative drive, understanding they can't actually win this.
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It's all – people – well, you know, really, can Trump win a general if he really – maybe he's an insurrectionist, and maybe the 14th Amendment, he can't go in the east?
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This is the launch pad for Newsom's run to replace Biden when they get rid of Biden because of the sellout to the Chinese Communist Party.
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Newsom's – this and the November debate with Ron the Robot.
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He's showing the progressive left, hey, stop your whining and clamoring.
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I'm taking the guy off the ballot in the most powerful state in the union.
00:47:05.080
Professor Dershowitz, you've called all this from the very beginning.
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I asked you to come on the show the very moment I saw that report out there.
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The law fairs – you know, Fonnie Willis, all the stuff that's in trust and get Trump is being exposed, and the polling American people don't understand.
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This is their second – this is the drive they're going to have.
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And even-handed, common-sense people will say that.
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But Professor Dershowitz, the book – and how are you going to fight this?
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Because I'm telling you, this is going to be a firestorm.
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Well, I've challenged Tribe to a debate anywhere, anytime, anyplace, with anyone – you being the moderator.
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If every secretary of state and if every governor of a state that opposes a candidate can determine who's on the ballot, it's the end of process.
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And it can't be allowed to happen because the other side will do the same thing.
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Republican governors will start disqualifying or trying to disqualify Biden.
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You know, this procedure doesn't even require conviction.
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All it requires is, well, we think he's an insurrectionist.
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And if we think he's an insurrectionist, you can't vote for him.
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And Professor Tribe ought to be ashamed of himself.
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And let's see if he's willing to come out of the environs of Harvard and debate me on national television.
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Let the American public hear both sides of this issue.
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They present the Tribe and Ludic without any answers.
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And the same thing is going to be true of other channels.
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Not having a couple of people make decisions for us.
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By the way, I recommend it be nationally broadcast.
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Professor Dershowitz, where do they get the book?
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You can only get my book on Amazon because local bookstores won't sell a book called Get Trump.
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And so it's been a bestseller on Amazon, but you can't find it in your bookstore.
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It's on Rumble and YouTube and other platforms.
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And I will be discussing this issue today at great length and doing a kind of Harvard Law School class on why Tribe is dead wrong.
00:49:56.220
Professor Dershowitz, thank you for changing your schedule today to join us.
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Remember, his point, Dershowitz's point, hey, I want to have, as an American citizen, I want to have the option to vote against Trump the third time.
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And this is the guy that defended him in the first impeachment because he said it was unconstitutional, but the constitutional aspects of it.
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This is not he's not MAGA, but he knows the Constitution.
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Richard Barris, one of the reasons they're doing this, brother, is they understand what they've what they've done to date is not working.
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Give me a give me a minute or so and I'm going to hold you through the break.
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What they're what they've done so far is not working.
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Correct, Steve, as always, thanks for having me.
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They wouldn't be doing this if they thought they could beat him.
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So you hear everybody talking about how you can't get a guy who's charged with felonies elected.
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Everyone's been saying this for the better part of six months now.
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And by the way, I got to give a hat tip to Harry Enten.
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He's the only one who has been honest in the election mafia, the media favorite pundit crowd.
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He's been the only one, Steve, who's been honest.
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Trump is in a stronger position today than he ever was in 2020 and 2016.
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This is not 2020 and it's not even 16 when he won.
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He is doing much better, significantly better among key groups.
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And that's why they're doing this, because they have no other choice in their minds.
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They're afraid he's going to come back in there and start rounding up the people who wronged him.
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But I got some questions to talk through with Barris on the polling.
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