On this episode of the War Room, host Stephen K.K.Vann is joined by Matt Rinaldi, the Chairman of the Texas Republican Party, to discuss the current state of politics in the Lone Star State and how it relates to the ongoing impeachment of Attorney General Ken Paxton.
00:02:08.080In order to appreciate what's going on, your viewers need to know that the Texas House is one of the only—
00:02:16.360I think it's the only legislative body in the United States where the majority party, Republicans here, voluntarily share leadership with Democrats.
00:02:26.040I'm talking about, like, if Kevin McCarthy took the Speaker's realm and gave Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff powerful chairmanships.
00:03:01.200You can hear Democrats calling for it.
00:03:03.000In fact, if you do a Google search, you'll find the head of the Texas House Democrats was calling for this impeachment on January 7th, 2021.
00:03:47.880I think this is what has people, and the reason I wanted to do this special is to make sure people understand how the elites globalists actually work.
00:03:55.520And they work in taking on a state like Texas that has – is nothing but patriots.
00:04:01.520How does it work that you have a Republican majority and they cut deals with Democrats, including giving them chairmanships of these incredibly powerful committees in the Texas House, sir?
00:04:13.400Yeah, and they do it by ignoring the grassroots and ignoring their voters.
00:04:26.440The Texas Senate, they had the practice when Dan Patrick took over, and they've ended the practice of giving a bunch of committee chairmanships to Democrats and sharing power.
00:04:38.160We have statewide office holders like Ken Paxton, like Sid Miller, who are very grassroots friendly.
00:04:46.100This is something that's a remnant of the House, and the House has thumbed their nose at grassroots Republicans across the state and said, no, we're going to share power with Democrats.
00:04:57.400And we said in this new political environment, that's going to be impossible.
00:05:04.660This is exactly what we warned about and exactly why the Texas Republican Party has called on them to end this practice.
00:05:13.540Is this a legacy of what Sam Rayburn, Lyndon Johnson, when Texas was a Democrat?
00:05:20.020I mean, is this because of the history that a lot of these Republicans are essentially Democrats and come up from the local area through a Democratic apparatus?
00:05:29.560I mean, why is it in face of the modern realities of politics, in the face of this populist uprising, which is essentially led by the grassroots of Texas?
00:05:41.440Is this a historical anomaly because of the old Democratic Party in Texas?
00:05:55.900I think it's this adherence to the tradition that started when Democrats and Republicans were fighting over tax rates or a couple percent on your income tax.
00:06:08.220They weren't fighting over whether or not we were going to arrest political opponents and castrate children.
00:06:15.440So, you know, I think it is a remnant of that.
00:06:19.580And we find that in rural areas where Republicans are have 70, 80 percent of the vote, you tend to find the more moderate reps pop up, the people who who are Democrats at heart and they get elected in those districts.
00:06:32.760So we do have a problem with that that's showing itself in the Texas House and now in this impeachment of our statewide officeholder.
00:06:41.160Look, the Bush apparatus despises Trump and anything related to Trump.
00:06:49.060But but how can they be beaten so badly when they have the chosen one that George P.
00:06:53.940Bush was going to be, you know, the next, you know, Bush president?
00:06:57.900They got beaten so badly in the primary.
00:07:00.980How much power do they do they actually have if they can't win at the ballot box?
00:07:06.160How do they still have this power where they're trying to control the Republican Party?
00:07:09.680Well, they still have the money and that's it.
00:07:13.260I mean, you have a grassroots that completely rejects that ideology, which is why I think you saw a 70 30 election in the attorney general's race.
00:07:22.460But what they do have is a lot of money and that money is used to obfuscate their records during primary season.
00:07:30.420Average Republican primary voter doesn't pay attention to politics every day necessarily, but they pay attention during primary time.
00:07:38.580And they know they agree with the more populist wing of the party, the more conservative wing of the party and not the old establishment wing of the party.
00:07:47.260And they spend millions upon millions of dollars trying to obfuscate that.
00:07:51.460So tell me your head, the Texas GOP, what is the battle plan going forward Tuesday when we get back and this thing start?
00:08:03.180I mean, one of the reasons we wanted it, we felt we had to do this on Labor Day.
00:08:07.300We don't really do specials regarding working men and the issues of economics.
00:08:12.300We felt this was a higher priority because this is kind of coming back as soon as you're back right after Labor Day.
00:08:17.440It kind of seems to me they want to do that because people wouldn't be prepared for it.
00:08:21.320Of course, it's very hard to get any media coverage on this outside of Texas.
00:08:27.240What is the battle plan going forward?
00:08:29.660We're going to keep doing what we've been doing all summer and keeping our Republican voters informed of what's going on.
00:08:36.560You know, we've said since the beginning they're going to have a vote up front on a motion to dismiss these charges.
00:08:44.540And we believe that even if you assume that all of the allegations were true, you still can't impeach the attorney general because we have something in Texas called the prior term doctrine.
00:08:55.360And that's you can't impeach an office holder for acts that occurred prior to his last election.
00:09:00.520And that's because, you know, those who made that law earlier than us said what we said, what you've been talking about today.
00:09:44.600I think George P. Bush, I don't know, got 25 or 30 percent of the vote in the primary.
00:09:48.560Then he went on and won the general against an onslaught of just negative media and ads.
00:09:54.660And I think you bring up a great point for our audience.
00:09:56.600It's the railhead of this was all packed.
00:09:59.160I mean, Paxson's had a long history of fighting these guys as a conservative leader prior.
00:10:05.020But the railroad, this was Paxson was one of the leaders of stepping up about the 2020 election.
00:10:10.200In fact, he he filed what many people thought was going to be the definitive case of the Supreme Court.
00:10:15.440And they've hated him ever. I mean, the blood hatred on Paxson has been extraordinary.
00:10:20.980But I want you to go back about that law, about the that that provision that, you know, made sure that elections are paramount here.
00:10:28.540The people Ken Paxson came through a primary, came through a general with all the world against him on big money and big media and still won by what?
00:10:38.520Over double digits. And this just shows you they're not going to they keep talking about democracy.
00:10:45.060This is an anti-democratic movement right here.
00:10:47.840This is an anti-democracy movement because they don't want elections to count.
00:11:32.580Where does the Texas GOP go from here?
00:11:34.340Because now you're about to step into the national spotlight because this thing is because, quite frankly, MSNBC and CNN, MSNBC is going to be all over this every night.
00:11:43.680Right. They're going to have a different aspect of Ken Paxson's a crook.
00:11:49.800Ken Paxson, the only people keeping in are a bunch of domestic terrorists, white Christian nationalists.
00:11:55.540Right. The worst element in the country, according to them, are the ones that are keeping them in.
00:12:00.440So what is the your head, the Texas GOP plan?
00:12:03.900What is your plan going forward to combat this?
00:12:07.500I mean, our plan is to spread the truth as far and wide as we can and also to help people understand the context of this.
00:12:14.320I mean, this is happening where the crux of this was a Democrat push to impeach our attorney general because of a position he took in a lawsuit, a plausible position, one that he couldn't be sanctioned for under under current court rules.
00:12:29.220And we see that happening in Georgia right now, where President Trump's lawyers are being indicted because of positions they took in lawsuits.
00:12:38.100This is part of the weaponization of politics.
00:12:40.580It's part of the criminalization of the legal profession and the desire of the left to try to shield themselves from any challenge to messing with elections here in Texas and outside of Texas.
00:13:17.600Matt Rinaldi just made the he just made the connection right there.
00:13:21.500So we talked about at the top of the show.
00:13:22.800This is why we're actually spending as much time about Georgia and Texas as we are, because a lot of the the the the sound and the noise about President Trump, this lawfare.
00:13:33.920We're not going to get involved in the details of it because most of it is just nonsense and not worthy of your time.
00:13:39.500But you're seeing in Georgia and now you're seeing in Texas something completely different in the history of this republic.
00:13:47.100And that is the weaponization of the justice system and the criminalization of the legal profession that's going to stand up and fight for fair elections.
00:13:56.240But this all gets back to the original sin here was the stealing of the 2020 election.
00:14:03.040And anybody that stood up to try to counter this regime and try to counter this regime, they're going after.
00:14:10.580And this why this is why Kemp goes to Texas to raise so much money.
00:14:15.000There's no there's no difference, not a dime's worth of difference between Kemp and Georgia in the Bush factotums in the great state of Texas.
00:14:25.020OK, we're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:26.560We're going to come back, contextualize this.
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00:16:49.820What was the shift from when the Bushes had control of the – we just had Matt Rinaldi on – from the Texas GOP to now you've got people like Matt Rinaldi and you've got these grassroots leaders.
00:17:00.200When did this shift go from Bush control to grassroots control just on the party itself, not on the House and not in the actual folks in the Senate or even the Abbott types, et cetera.
00:17:11.820But when did that shift just even happen in the Texas GOP?
00:17:18.140I would say that it started really in 2010, 2012 with the Tea Party movement.
00:17:23.160They started filling the Texas state GOP at the convention, taking delegate spots.
00:17:28.700Certainly there was a huge push in 2016 with President Trump coming in.
00:17:34.480A lot of his people got integrated in.
00:17:36.580We really got full control of the Texas Republican Party about three years ago.
00:17:43.520So first we had Allen West and then we got Matt Rinaldi.
00:17:47.040I don't think people understand Matt Rinaldi is a gem.
00:17:51.640I've never seen a party official go out and represent the grassroots in a way that Matt has.
00:17:58.000He has taken the party and held fellow Republicans accountable, which is unheard of.
00:18:04.440But that's what it's going to take to rat out this last little bit of the Bush regime.
00:18:08.840So but the actual takeover of the Texas GOP started about three years ago.
00:18:13.340And so how does the I think the question is how the Bushes how's the Bushes have such control of the actual political if they don't have the GOP now?
00:18:26.880And they don't have grassroots and they don't have these local counties.
00:18:30.520How does the Bushes still in their in the in the in the in the golden child got blown out, only got 25 percent of the vote against Paxton, who had tens of millions of dollars in negative ads dropped on him.
00:18:42.940A lot of it by donors who are funding, you know, anti Ken Paxton ads.
00:18:52.000It was it was the institution that they had put their people into different groups.
00:18:58.540Like, for instance, when Matt Rinaldi took over at the Texas GOP, Carl Rose PAC literally had an office within the office of the state GOP.
00:19:07.640And they had over the years hired people.
00:19:10.300So the people with institutional knowledge of how to run this and how to run that were all a bunch of Bush regime people.
00:19:17.540So the grassroots, we had to kick out all those people, fire all those people and get them out of that physical office.
00:19:24.080And then we've had to basically rebuild the entire infrastructure of the party, because when on their way out, Rove and everyone, they pulled everything off the walls.
00:19:33.540They called the donors and said, shut off the money.
00:19:36.360They said to the elected officials that were still with them, the rhinos don't go to the events.
00:19:41.800It has been a civil war of epic proportions.
00:19:45.720Conservatives won that battle with Matt Rinaldi.
00:19:48.300He actually delivered on what he said to the point of Karl Rove literally shutting down one of his Texas state PACs that he used to still have influence with the money.
00:20:02.800And I think this is is the last big one, which is why we need to stop it immediately.
00:20:07.560Well, this is that you're saying a further development in this civil war between the grassroots and the Bush Hunter is going to be this trial.
00:20:18.960So how is that going to play out in your mind?
00:20:22.160In fact, you're one of the guys out there raising money all the time trying to get this organized.
00:20:26.420Walk me through how this is going to play out as part of in the context of the civil war between grassroots and the globalist.
00:20:34.400If Ken Paxton is our attorney general and put back into office, it will be the final death blow to the establishment and the globalists and the Bush regime.
00:21:12.340And I think that literally the Paxton impeachment trial is going to determine the future of the conservative movement, not only in Texas, but the entire country.
00:21:23.360Because it's the same story as what they're trying to do to President Trump.
00:21:31.600Because if we go to Nebraska, if we go to Georgia, if we go to South Carolina, if we go to Arizona, Michigan, it's the same fight everywhere.
00:21:40.980Between the grassroots, which are starved for resources because they're working class or middle class people, versus the elites that are backed by the business interests that want to keep running things the same way they've been running them.
00:21:51.320And now you've had these two explosions in Georgia with the Fannie Willis going after Trump situation, backed by Carr, the attorney general, and Kemp, the governor.
00:22:01.960And now you've got this basically trying to throw out a MAGA attorney general in Texas.
00:22:08.660So walk me through, why should people throughout the country, particularly people engaged in the grassroots effort, why should they spend time and focus and give support to what's happening in Texas?
00:22:53.080We get to go out there based on our principles, the fact that we love this country.
00:22:56.080That is what they are trying to recreate with what they have, which is the money and the media, okay?
00:23:02.560So when we do not allow them to influence us, when we are informed voters, when we stand up and we get involved in the process, when we show up and say,
00:23:11.800if you're going to erase my vote and get rid of the man that I support, you're going to do it right in front of my face.
00:23:17.880Julie and Fran and True Texas and all these different grassroots groups showing up saying that you're going to have to do this right in front of me is where our power is.
00:23:28.560Because that is what they are trying to recreate.
00:23:33.760They are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, deceive them, and trick them into these positions because they do not have the popular opinion anymore.
00:23:44.080So for us as America First people who love this country, we have to understand that our advantage is us being involved, is us being educated,
00:23:53.080and making these people do it to us right in front of us and fight them in that battlefield.
00:24:23.700So we're going to release polling in numerous Senate districts.
00:24:26.480We want every one of these people who are going to have a vote, they're going to have to pick a side.
00:24:30.640As soon as this trial starts, we want them to know what their voters want.
00:24:34.080So we'll be releasing polls in each district.
00:24:35.880The overall average that we're talking about is 59% of people approve of Ken Paxton's job as attorney general right now.
00:24:44.260After all of this stuff, after all the negative media, $41 million spent in the last election in this whole new onslaught, 59% say we still like Ken Paxton.
00:24:53.82052% of the people don't want them to have one thing started with this trial.
00:25:04.860And if Ken Paxton is impeached, if the establishment and the RINOs get what they want, the voters say that they still will elect Ken Paxton against John Cornyn or any of the other RINOs by double digits.
00:25:19.320Specifically, Ken Paxton, if he is not the attorney general, wins the U.S. Senate seat against Cornyn in 2026 by 14 points.
00:25:36.860And that is with the Texas media, all the Ken Paxton's a bad guy, Ken Paxton's an evil guy, and you've had podcasts and some of the smaller news sites and ourselves out there.
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00:30:09.920I think Jonathan Stickland said it best.
00:30:13.300The future of the Trump and MAGA movement could hinge on what's going to happen in Texas because you get rolled there, they're going to come back and roll you everywhere.
00:30:20.420The reason this is so important was goes back to that primary when they had, you know, the golden child, George P.
00:30:47.540You won the biggest come from behind election in American presidential history.
00:30:51.960Yeah, you run things and we'll just sit aside and clap when you're doing good things.
00:30:57.040No, they had what I call the nullification project immediately to nullify the legitimacy of his first term.
00:31:04.940This is why, you know, Natalie Werner said, hey, there were two elections stolen.
00:31:08.140The 16 election was stolen from him in the 20 election.
00:31:12.380Melissa Katch, you've been working on the grassroots side of this.
00:31:14.900You've been saying we got to identify these these senators because this is where the center of gravity is going to be.
00:31:21.460Walk me through your theory of the case why it's got to be a focus now on these senators because this trial, the motions, all of it start on Tuesday.
00:31:28.760And quite quickly, this thing's going to become an event.
00:32:21.360I had argued as well that there have been three Democrat senators that have shown bias.
00:32:29.340And, you know, they should be removed as well.
00:32:33.700But that's a decision that can be made really by the lieutenant governor.
00:32:38.320Governor, the lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, who's been a conservative, he really holds a lot of power.
00:32:46.960And I think people should call his office as well.
00:32:50.780I've had people reach out from all over the country.
00:32:53.480What can they do since they don't live here?
00:32:55.860They can still let their voices be heard.
00:32:57.760And when you all were talking, how does the Bush establishment or junta, I think is a better way to say it, still have power?
00:33:07.440It's because the donors, there's millionaires and billionaires that love that good old boy and network, and they love to socialize together.
00:33:18.640I've been around a lot of them because my sons went to school where some of their children went to school.
00:33:24.260I volunteered with the moms, been very involved, good friends.
00:33:29.620But this all comes back to our values, what we have in common.
00:33:34.540But, again, this money that I've talked about, these big donors give, you know, all the money to politicians that are going to do their bidding for them down in Austin.
00:33:44.200So they have millions in their troughs.
00:33:47.240They give them to the politicians, and then those politicians do what they want because these donors are going to benefit, their businesses will benefit from the legislation that these politicians are pushing.
00:34:01.040So what I, we are the tip of the spear, this grassroots, and like I said, it's all Texans.
00:34:07.480As I said, the Alamo, which was an epic battle, when Colonel Davis said, I'm sorry, said there's a, we're going to draw a line in the sand.
00:34:20.660That was epic because he asked the men, it's about courage, you're going to cross the line.
00:34:26.060And what's happening Monday after Labor Day, that's the battle.
00:34:30.280When Colonel Travers said that, you're saying that, you're saying that's equivalent to today.
00:34:37.260There's a line in the sand, you can't cross it.
00:35:49.760Like they said, if they are able to take out our Attorney General that we elected, knowing everything that the legacy media has tried to say in the Dallas Morning News, the Texas Tribune, you know, Fort Worth, Telegram, we know we're informed voters.
00:36:36.120And like the other guest said, we are an educated voting bloc.
00:36:39.880You're talking in your commercial about knowing economic policy.
00:36:42.900That is their worst nightmare is the everyday citizen voter, knowing economic policy and knowing right from wrong when it comes to politics.
00:37:09.120I'm a grassroots mom who got active and I won't go away.
00:37:13.420And I know I'm a thorn to the side of the bushes just right here in my own neighborhood.
00:37:17.080So it's about being consistent and staying.
00:37:20.500Do you think the grassroots, you know, we got polling from from Jonathan Stickland and we've had grassroots leaders and you and Melissa are fired up and you're incredibly articulate and on point.
00:37:34.400Do you believe the average grassroots person in Texas is as informed right now or in focus on exactly what this battle is about?
00:38:24.180We know all these names because of people like you and other in in other non-mainstream media folks who have educated us and we're using it.
00:38:33.840So I think that people do know exactly what's going on.
00:38:39.380And that's why you have grassroots leaders who maybe voted for somebody different in the primary, like Luke Macias.
00:38:44.460I saw his videos saying, you know, I voted for somebody else, but I'm for Paxton because we know what's really going on.
00:38:51.640So I do believe that people understand and that's why they're fighting.
00:38:55.400Jonathan Stickland, let me let me bring you back in here.
00:39:00.220Does your polling show that is now there is there a great awakening in Texas about exactly what's happened here and about what the stakes are?
00:39:08.160Because this is and this is why we've been focused so much on Georgia and in tech, not even at the federal level.
00:39:14.320There's something going on in these classically conservative, you know, you don't get any more conservative than Georgia.
00:39:22.580Right. And you certainly don't get any more conservative than the great state of Texas.
00:39:27.560Are the grassroots leaders right here? Is there a great awakening now among the people?
00:39:35.620I think there's an awakening, but there there's also an intensifying element to this, too,
00:39:42.120because I think what has happened is, is, you know, we understand that in a constitutional republic that your right to vote is sacred.
00:39:51.460And year after year, it just keeps getting worse and worse where we feel like our votes are literally being stolen from us.
00:39:59.240We have all of this evidence. People are losing and lost faith in the election process.
00:40:03.480And then we see something where we actually got the guy in.
00:40:07.560And so overwhelmingly, Ken Paxton becomes the attorney general against the establishment.
00:40:12.700And here come a bunch of right out traitors with the Democrats in and say, no, we're going to try and snap that back.
00:40:19.800And it's like, what are we supposed to do?
00:40:21.560So it is people who recognize that there's a pattern, that these forces are working against them.
00:40:28.360But it's also just waking up and realizing these people will lie, cheat, steal and take away in the middle of the night and they'll do anything.
00:40:38.500And so I think everyone is just raising the energy and realizing if you love this country to keep what we have,
00:40:46.340to restore what we once had, it is going to be a slugfest.
00:40:50.880So that's what I see. That's what our polling shows.
00:40:54.600And, you know, to be honest with you, like, I know that there are things happening all over the state of Texas that are rising up that we just keep running into each other.
00:41:04.880Like, for instance, Melissa, who you just had on, she's got her whole thing going on.
00:41:51.600He ran against the establishment and unseated David Dewhurst, which was a Bush crony at the time, and took him out and has really ramrodded through.
00:42:01.220The Texas Senate has been the body in the Texas legislature that has gotten the conservative agenda accomplished, and we are counting on them to stop the House's dirty work.
00:42:13.560Dan Patrick can squash this thing on day one, which is what we would like to see.
00:42:19.940He has been quiet due to everything going on, so we're not real sure.
00:42:24.640But I think he nailed it when he made a comment.
00:42:26.540This was about a week and a half ago, Steve.
00:42:28.400Dan Patrick came out and said, this is not a criminal trial.
00:42:36.620And we want this political trial dismissed day one, hour one, minute one, by the senators who we elected alongside Attorney General Ken Paxton.
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00:45:40.460This is the first of a lot of coverage, like we've been doing in Georgia, like we've been doing now in Texas.
00:45:49.740We're not going to divert ourselves from the firestorm that's going to happen when people return on the evening of the 12th or 13th of Washington, D.C.,
00:46:02.100As we've told you, now it's a story everywhere.
00:46:04.300Midnight on the 30th, they're going to force Biden to shut down that illegitimate regime.
00:46:08.580The fight there is the fight in Georgia and the fight in Texas.
00:46:13.140And I really want to thank Jonathan, first, you to help us put this together.
00:46:17.620This is vital to all the grassroots leaders and all the grassroots folks out there throughout the nation to focus on what's happening in Texas.
00:46:27.620Because what they're telling you there is that elections don't matter.
00:47:15.500Lauren, I think you made up a brilliant point that I think President Trump, the travails of President Trump have now opened people's eyes to exactly what's going on here.
00:47:24.100And I think that Texas is going to get a lot more focus because of that.
00:47:28.500Where do people go to find you, ma'am?
00:47:32.640So you can find me on Twitter, at MomsLoveFreedom.
00:47:35.740You can also go to my website, Davis, the number for Dallas.
00:47:40.060And I'm running for the Dallas County GOP party chair.
00:47:43.420And so in my experience, like right here, literally in the Bush's neighborhood, finding that the establishment is alive and well here, and we have a real chance at putting me in office to where I can really start rooting out the problem right in their backyard, literally in their backyard.
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