Bannon's War Room - Episode 3016： The Cowardice Of Mike Pence

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going

00:00:10.180 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:16.860 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do

00:00:21.020 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and

00:00:24.380 where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of

00:00:32.200 these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:00:39.320 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.820 teen presidential centers dating back a century is calling for a recommitment to the country's

00:00:59.980 bedrock principles in a joint statement the coalition said americans should respect diverse

00:01:06.840 beliefs noting that debate and disagreement are central to democracy it reads in part quote

00:01:14.020 our elected officials must lead by example and govern effectively in ways that deliver for the

00:01:21.040 american people this in turn will help to restore trust in public service the rest of us must engage

00:01:28.240 in civil dialogue respect democratic institutions and rights uphold safe secure and accessible elections

00:01:37.100 and contribute to local state or national improvement the coalition does not name any elected officials

00:01:45.680 but there appear to be there a subtle rebuke of donald trump who is accused of trying to overturn the

00:01:53.180 2020 presidential election the statement was signed by every presidential organization from herbert hoover's to

00:02:01.740 barack obama's only the eisenhower foundation is missing in this so definitely a firm statement about the strength of democracy job

00:02:12.720 yeah john meacham um there there there's been some complaining uh you've heard some some people i know and i have too

00:02:23.140 wondering where some of these presidents are with some of these former presidents coming out speaking forcefully

00:02:29.280 against uh trumpism against uh trumpism against what happened on january the 6th and the threats of democracy moving forward

00:02:36.020 this is a step in that direction isn't it

00:02:39.260 it is and you know most of these the president presidential libraries where the presidents are still around you know

00:02:47.340 where the principal is still there uh are different than the ones obviously that are our legacy operations

00:02:54.000 what's remarkable about this is you have a i wouldn't even call it bipartisan i'd call it suprapartisan

00:03:02.520 a suprapartisan uh statement that says yes democracy strong i think more interesting is what why they had to do it

00:03:14.520 it's that democracy is weak it's resilient but it is under siege and these are the scholars the foundation executives

00:03:27.260 uh and the presidents themselves who understand the inherent fragility of these institutions and i think that

00:03:37.720 uh it's it says a great deal uh you know if you do what i do for a living you know you go back and you

00:03:46.100 you look at what was being said at a given time you know looking at the front page of the newspapers to see what

00:03:52.380 the other stories were the fact that 13 former presidential institutions had to say hey democracy is

00:03:59.260 important pay attention to it tells you a great deal about where we are on this uh early autumn morning

00:04:05.540 okay um let's bring in dave bratt by the way it is uh saturday 9 september in the year of alert 2023

00:04:16.660 uh welcome to our saturday show we're gonna kind of be on fire today at a different i was gonna try

00:04:22.580 to do the 80th anniversary of 1943 the bloodiest year in mankind's history we're gonna have to do that

00:04:29.500 at a later time hopefully next saturday i'll talk a little bit about it today because there's so much

00:04:33.720 some not just news but also things that we have to get the war room posse and backup remember when

00:04:38.820 they say against trumpism when mika and them are there with their knitted brow that means against

00:04:44.460 you that's against the populist movement dave bratt help me out here why why is the uniparty

00:04:49.940 showing that they're uniparty coming out and and trying to browbeat the trump movement sir

00:04:54.960 yeah the uniparty and their uh quasi historians meachum and beschloss and these guys come up and

00:05:03.940 they say we look back at all the great theorists or whatever any great theorist would never say

00:05:09.960 we're defending democracy since socrates no great moral or political theorist has mentioned democracy

00:05:17.080 we are a constitutional republic and then they go on and they add words about we need to be more

00:05:23.220 decent more kind more humane there's a need for compassion tolerance and pluralism none of the

00:05:29.200 architects of democracy or of a constitutional republic used any of that language the key language

00:05:35.220 they all used for a thousand years was the absolute essential element for a republic to remain and that

00:05:43.340 is the virtue of its citizens and so to have these folks come on board and just take pot shots using

00:05:50.560 history and democracy which is one of the things the founders all got together to protect us from

00:05:56.940 which is mob rule and mass rule and to throw that at the you know implicitly at the populace etc

00:06:04.000 the populace are the one group who have retained the essence of the republic all these folks talk about

00:06:11.560 uh being being uh compassionate tolerant pluralistic you want to know the one group they're not tolerant of

00:06:20.680 the judeo-christian tradition uh if you're so tolerant can we have a discussion of christianity and its

00:06:28.060 virtues on cnn i'm asking a question uh can we discuss uh christianity and its key virtues uh in the

00:06:36.340 public square in our public schools we can discuss everything else right now in the public schools

00:06:41.900 right uh up to the absurd and the grotesque uh is being allowed underneath this tolerance but you

00:06:48.800 cannot discuss the chief attribute necessary for the maintenance of our republic and this is you know

00:06:54.900 john adams ben franklin uh the lady famously asked him but you have a republic uh he says yes if you can

00:07:02.380 keep it everybody knows that how do you keep it uh everybody knows the the the foremost problem with

00:07:09.740 a pure democracy is the running of the passions what controls that moral discipline and the virtues

00:07:17.140 this has been the longest standing debate and it's just stunning to see presidential historians

00:07:22.800 and the likes ducking it it's because they don't want to have to get down to the meat and potatoes

00:07:28.240 and you know surely uh you know obama who went to harvard and bush uh knows better than to use this

00:07:34.680 uh this modernist uh lingo in place of the of the basics uh and you know president pence came out and

00:07:41.920 was doing some similar stuff and of course the new york times and the ap and and cnn covered all that

00:07:49.780 because it's a pot shot at the one group of populists i you know the populist thing wasn't even in vogue

00:07:57.100 when i ran but i've had no issue and i was in the republican conference with the conservative

00:08:04.120 supposedly republicans who ran us into this ditch with 50 trillion in debt our major trading partner

00:08:10.760 is a totalitarian uh communist surveillance state we have a wide open border such that the mayor of

00:08:18.040 new york city says that his city uh one of the grandest cities in history new york city is under siege

00:08:23.640 and is being destroyed uh the conservatives allowed that to happen so the populists do share

00:08:30.560 and pence quoted you know burke and and russell kirk who i i love uh but all they said the exact

00:08:37.280 thing i've been saying the essence of the republic is virtue and that virtue of course in their minds

00:08:43.080 all the great conservatives comes straight out of the judeo-christian tradition and animates the

00:08:49.180 spirit of our country i have not seen that spirit moving uh it's ossified it's like a rock buildup in

00:08:57.780 the republican conference they've run us into this ditch and the freedom caucus those are the folks who

00:09:04.060 have the animating spirit that is is uh following the lead and listening to their constituents but then

00:09:11.040 leading in principle the way a republic is supposed to be ordered we have an ordered freedom and i could

00:09:19.100 go on on the conservative principles but that's the that's the basic response to that piece it's way

00:09:24.420 off course why we talk about in a fourth turning it's the institutions that come into question and

00:09:31.680 they have to be there has to be a cleansing there has to be a purging because they ossify use that word

00:09:36.840 at the beginning why are all the presidential libraries are the repositories of the thinking

00:09:43.120 of these great men why would why would all the libraries come together and obviously they're going

00:09:49.800 after trump and trumpism particularly now with the 14th amendment fight to try to get him off ballots

00:09:55.520 funded by conservatives uh about the lawfare which is all you know kemp and and having their backs uh you

00:10:02.920 see the ken paxton uh impeachment down in texas why did these institutions come together do they see

00:10:10.220 they see populism as a existential threat to them yeah of course the great men are gone right now we're

00:10:19.760 being run by a bunch of you know harvard east coast elitist west coast elitist uh folks that pay

00:10:27.640 attention to the donors who fund the libraries right so it's just like all the foundations that

00:10:33.580 fund academic research uh if you want to stay in business if you want to keep your funding base you

00:10:38.380 better say the right thing to the donors and that's what the conservative party has been doing i used to

00:10:43.200 sit in that room right with 220 conservatives and anyone that's on a major committee or even a minor

00:10:49.620 committee and that gets 10 million dollars for their election i got zero uh from the party has to toe the

00:10:56.060 line and of course you know we've discussed the major issues but all of it is subsumed underneath

00:11:01.780 the budget right the seven trillion dollar budget i ran on what was called the virginia republican creed

00:11:08.280 it was a conservative statement uh i had no problem with it uh the the the free enterprise system equal

00:11:15.720 rights and justice fiscal responsibility of course is the nugget right that's why the republican party has

00:11:23.400 been ossified it knows it has to go along with the donors wishes that's why mccarthy okayed a seven

00:11:30.180 trillion dollar budget uh and so there's nothing wrong with the virginia republican creed other than

00:11:37.340 the fact that no republicans follow it right there is no fiscal responsibility these are the virtues

00:11:44.960 required right when you talk about virtue you cannot spend more than you have by two trillion a year

00:11:51.060 for the next 10 years that is not a virtue and so the republican leadership and most of the members

00:11:57.800 i hate to say there's plenty of exceptions in the freedom caucus and and beyond but most of them are not

00:12:04.100 being virtuous in their actions they'll all use the right lingo uh they'll act like they're virtuous

00:12:10.300 uh they'll act like they're full of piety and spout the judeo-christian tradition uh but when it comes

00:12:17.500 time to representing the people honestly and in good faith and looking out for the best interests of

00:12:22.600 this country how in the world with can someone with good beliefs and virtues allow our chief trading

00:12:30.760 partner who we built up to remain a totalitarian surveillance state our it uh billionaire class right 0.95

00:12:40.480 the big seven firms in the u.s are worth more than all european firms combined helped to write the code

00:12:45.840 that enslaves the chinese uh uyghurs and beyond in the chinese system how in the world can a virtuous 1.00

00:12:52.660 people allow that to happen and so these presidential libraries didn't say much about the virtues that are

00:13:00.480 required to run a republic they just gave the new trendy stuff we all got to get along we got to be

00:13:06.160 humane okay please define humane aristotle had a different answer than john stewart mill who had a

00:13:12.680 different answer than him who had a different answer than emmanuel kant who all had different

00:13:17.280 answers from the buddhist tradition and the muslim tradition and the judeo-christian tradition

00:13:22.100 so to say words like we need to be humane is to say nothing which of course is what these

00:13:28.020 presidential libraries said in that statement it's a bunch of mishmash they have effectively said

00:13:33.840 nothing and it's up to responsible voices to come forward and really show what it means and of course

00:13:39.960 the judeo-christian system set up this entire establishment that does protect the right of the

00:13:45.920 individuals i went to princeton seminary we gave the university back to secular uh ownership voluntarily

00:13:54.040 same with harvard yale and all the rest of them and said the only requirement is you got to follow

00:13:59.180 like aristotelian ethics or something like that right aristotle was pretty good on the basic virtues

00:14:03.960 and they failed to do that they went post-modern and now there's no absolute truth no absolute ethics

00:14:10.100 uh and that's where we stand right now in these presidential libraries should know much better

00:14:14.880 dave i know you got to bounce but i just want to take a quick break i just have one question to ask you

00:14:21.120 when we come back about tuesday night the house is coming back mccarthy's going to talk uh is going

00:14:27.300 to give the plan right between now and the end of the fiscal year the next three weeks you've been

00:14:33.220 in those rooms before and i want you to share your knowledge short commercial break dave bratt julie

00:14:38.860 kelly alex degrasse caroline rent mike davis hitters only here on a saturday morning in the war room back

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00:16:30.400 war room here's your host steven k dave thanks i know you get a bounce just tuesday he's coming back he's

00:16:41.640 going to address the conference we've heard from all the insiders that he's going to lay out his

00:16:45.340 strategy on both impeachment uh the appropriations process everything he's on start making the case

00:16:52.240 for the cr uh you've been in those rooms before tell me how he's going to pitch it and and where do you

00:16:58.380 think we really stand in combating this uh unless unless the grassroots just speak out with a unified

00:17:07.180 voice very loudly over the next few days there'll be a shiny object will be the complexities will be

00:17:13.740 you know you guys got to go along with us you can't if we don't do this you can't believe uh you know

00:17:19.540 what we're going to bear in the press the press will come after us uh and then all of these other

00:17:24.000 objectives we're trying to seek you know with impeachment and immigration and the border all

00:17:28.220 of that will be lost well all of that is happening because we funded the federal government at seven

00:17:34.300 trillion dollars which has allowed us to have a a national intelligence service that's run amok with

00:17:41.680 russiagate for three years 51 of our you know highest intelligence officers were in on a fraud

00:17:48.000 uh the justice department has a two-tiered uh system of justice uh right now and it it appears and all

00:17:55.440 the political views are just my own uh to be going after only one side of the ledger and not following

00:18:00.700 the other side sins whatsoever and so all of these have been brought about because we've allowed the

00:18:06.920 size and scope of the federal government to to be to grow out of control and so it doesn't matter

00:18:13.160 what they say when we have a covet economy at seven trillion and every responsible person thought it

00:18:18.580 would for sure go back down to five trillion but the ratchet doesn't go down ever right when you jack

00:18:24.120 up your car it's up there and we're keeping it at seven trillion in the face of all irrationality and

00:18:29.800 deficits that go on forever so they're gonna they're gonna come up with some scare tactics threaten

00:18:33.940 everybody let them know you better play team ball here you're gonna lose your money you won't get

00:18:38.080 re-elected we won't give you the 10 million uh your committee assignments will be in in jeopardy

00:18:43.720 uh and so on one by one by one they'll pick them off and you know some patriots will stand firm and say i

00:18:50.300 i can no longer bear this because i am trying to live out the virtues uh that will make this republic

00:18:57.040 last the test of time and so god bless them pray for the leaders who will take that stand pray for all

00:19:03.920 of the leaders pray for the democrats pray for our president those are instructions from god

00:19:08.960 uh that always do give us some hope uh that something could change uh because god's providential

00:19:15.620 hand i think is still behind us even though we are gradually turning away from that that wonderful hand

00:19:21.920 dave brant how do we get you on social media all the great charts and everything you put up on the

00:19:29.440 on the manifestation of this uh spiritual war in the economic realm where do people go

00:19:34.820 yeah just uh come visit uh liberty university uh got some friends coming in right now i'm gonna run

00:19:40.760 off and join them in the cafeteria and then uh bratt economics on getter and then uh of course share

00:19:46.500 rumble and these hits with everybody just great way to uh to to find uh bratt economics and uh and

00:19:53.520 cover the highlights uh with the war room and oxford don steve bannon who uh covers the news like no

00:19:59.380 one else can thank you very much you've called a lot of things never in oxford don but i'll take

00:20:06.780 it brother thank you so much dave bratt thank you for sticking around

00:20:09.620 i want to make sure um because here's what's going to happen brad's buried a little bit buried the lead

00:20:19.560 in in what he was talking about part of it in that remember he said i got no money

00:20:24.700 the set when he ran for re-election they cut dave bratt out and literally gave him this is the

00:20:30.220 republican apparatus in the house gave him zero dollars where they're always pumping in you know

00:20:36.000 millions of dollars into these uh seats of the guys they want to keep um and bratt had to do it on his

00:20:42.460 own why he stood up to him and particularly about fiscal responsibility because he kept saying

00:20:47.000 this is a moral question we're we're literally not just impacting people that are living today in this

00:20:55.060 country but we're having this impact on future generations and that we owe it to them to take

00:21:02.300 hard stands now and they didn't want to hear it remember the reason we're here where we are is the

00:21:08.220 complicity of the republican party and going along with it i'm gonna have julie kelly on in a few minutes 1.00

00:21:16.560 and julie kelly has essentially turned herself into a court reporter to cover like nobody else 0.99

00:21:23.020 uh january 6 and we're going to pull the camera back a little bit because julie 1.00

00:21:28.120 is is always down in the details she's always bringing the receipts we're going to pull the 0.93

00:21:33.560 camera back and and really talk about how people have comported themselves particularly people that

00:21:39.380 are coming after this populist movement because right now they see that the establishment sees

00:21:45.160 more than the tea party more than anything's ever happened the ross perot the pat buchanan

00:21:49.700 they see the trump movement and the populist nationalist direction of the trump movement

00:21:53.780 as an existential threat now here's what we keep saying and of course you know over this weekend i'll

00:21:59.980 be putting up a go there are tons of articles coming out now uh axios just had one uh that came

00:22:06.900 out yesterday and i've put it up about oh everybody's so surprised that the deficit doubled

00:22:13.800 it's two trillion dollars not a trillion dollars and as i told um as i told people um the um

00:22:22.660 we call this from the beginning why we could do the math we knew the impact that inflation was going

00:22:28.540 to have higher interest rates was going to have in the economy one of the reasons that the number is so

00:22:33.460 large there's a 300 billion dollar miss in tax revenues both at the corporate level the personal

00:22:39.320 level but particularly the capital gains level and we said your your tax revenues are too aggressive the

00:22:44.460 way you've projected is too aggressive way too aggressive now they're going to live with that

00:22:49.640 in the meeting on tuesday what they're going to talk about is is ways to fool you to ways to for them

00:22:56.660 to for them to go back and lie to their constituents and say we just need all we need is another 30 days i just

00:23:02.660 need 30 days i just need a cr we just need to get 30 days into this i just need more time to pass

00:23:08.360 these appropriations here's the problem there's no real cuts it's all performative we had richard

00:23:14.460 stern on here richard stern told you it was the total cuts they're talking about real cuts i mean

00:23:19.400 differences in previous years they've told you the historic we have done historic cuts you have to

00:23:25.620 supporters because these are historic cuts it's 12 billion dollars this is not sustainable all they

00:23:33.500 talk about is the green new deal and the sustainability of you know the you got to build a sustainable

00:23:38.080 energy foundation you have to have a sustainable economy this is 10x more important than that

00:23:45.160 because without this everything else collapses

00:23:49.060 and you go back to pre-civilization this is this is where we stand now this is this is one of the

00:23:58.320 most important inflection points uh in this time in history this this show is built around

00:24:06.620 empowering you this show is built around uh giving you access to information

00:24:12.460 that allows you to use your agency in a direction that assist you your family your community and

00:24:23.660 your country and therefore the world remember the united states has a robust economy if the united

00:24:30.500 states is on the cutting edge of productivity and the creation of value and therefore the creation of

00:24:36.020 wealth and that wealth is fairly distributed or spread we are in the sunlit uplands yep go back to

00:24:46.020 2019 was the world perfect the world was not perfect president trump was being assaulted by all sides on the

00:24:51.940 the remember they began the russia hoax that's we started the show in what october september october of

00:24:57.820 2019 because of the impeachment we called it first said hey nancy plos is going to impeach you and people 0.97

00:25:02.840 say no no no steve that's all fake news i go no show impeaching by i said the time thanksgiving i

00:25:08.500 missed a couple weeks it was by christmas the show impeaching but the sunlit uplands was the

00:25:14.620 the economy that's when they realized they had to do something because he would have won in a

00:25:18.500 landslide given where the economy was in 2019 the ccp understood that too hence that's why you saw the 0.95

00:25:24.380 bioweapon we call covet 19 of which now she's back again and they're going through the same

00:25:30.760 iterations they did uh before of the shutdowns and all that so it is vital that you are armed

00:25:40.160 for the onslaught that's going to come on you what the first things are come on is that you're

00:25:44.360 irresponsible you're a domestic terrorist you're white nationalist you are uh dangerous people and 0.81

00:25:50.460 one of the reasons you're dangerous one of the reasons you're dangerous is because you're so you're

00:25:55.660 anti-government and you want the government to be burned down you want the government to be shut

00:25:59.600 down you want to cut it off of their of their oxygen which is the federal reserve printing money

00:26:04.180 and that's one of the principal reasons they hate you it's your principles and values obviously but

00:26:09.560 how it manifests itself in this political fight where you're sitting there going no no no no no

00:26:13.440 we're not going to play this game anymore you're not going to enrich the wealthy you're not going to

00:26:17.560 enrich the defense contractors in the pharmaceutical industry you're not going to do it you're not going

00:26:23.000 to do it while you're shredding the constitution while you've turned the doj and the fbi

00:26:27.020 against working class people while you have them going to abortion centers to where the uh where 0.90

00:26:33.040 the traditional catholics are on the knees praying the rosary outside and rouse them up with the fbi

00:26:37.640 you're not going to we're not going to do it while you have the justice department

00:26:40.860 totally weaponized against trump president trump is the leader of this movement it's not going to happen

00:26:44.980 we demand a stop and we demand a stop now and you're not going to have our votes and by the way for

00:26:50.100 congressmen that say no if mccarthy goes around it and goes to hakeem jeffries again like he did on the

00:26:55.180 debt ceiling and gets 70 or 80 votes then it's time to get rid of you it's time for a motion vacate

00:27:01.140 if you can't do it you can't convince the conference to do it if you always need you know dozens and

00:27:07.080 dozens of democratic votes to keep your uh your term your speakership alive then it's time that that's

00:27:13.800 not alive because you have failed in every aspect of it and one of the biggest failures one of the

00:27:19.700 biggest failures of these gutless cowards is to address the railhead of the problem what is the

00:27:26.120 railhead of the problem in this democracy in this constitutional republic the railhead of the problem

00:27:32.200 gets back to the events of 3 november of 2020 what led up to it and what manifested itself at that time

00:27:39.760 and then how it played through all the way to january 6th now the best person in the world that

00:27:46.560 understands that better than anybody is julie kelly and she's going to join us on the other side we'll

00:27:52.400 be back in the war room on a saturday in just a moment

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00:30:23.740 will we be the party of conservatism or will we follow the siren song of populism

00:30:31.860 unmoored to conservative principles the future of this movement in this party belongs to one or the

00:30:41.080 other not both that's because the fundamental divide between these two factions is unbridgeable

00:30:50.600 history teaches that societies with more freedom and less government flourish

00:30:57.380 that's why we have a brilliant system of checks and balances divisions of authority co-equal branches

00:31:05.600 of government enshrined in our constitution and sovereign state governments under our system of

00:31:13.440 federalism conservatives understand that in order to advance an agenda on behalf of the american people

00:31:19.440 we must work through the system the political home of those who believe in limited government and

00:31:27.660 individual liberty who keep faith with our constitution is the republican party i think my question is you

00:31:37.040 know the inflection point you talk about this moment for the party you know you look at even our most

00:31:41.320 recent polling in terms of uh the issues itself you know your consistency on conservatism i think is

00:31:46.320 unquestioned whether you agree or disagree with where you are ideologically but in terms of who would

00:31:51.260 be the best candidate to handle the economy trump is at 69 percent immigration 65 percent ukraine 63 percent

00:31:56.580 government overreach 59 percent um isn't this war over and your side lost

00:32:02.280 i want to bring in julie kelly julie first off i want to just get some administrative stuff out of the way

00:32:10.860 given that at american greatness the other sites you've put up for the last couple of years

00:32:15.660 you know going back i don't know almost three years now um and and and people like revolver and others

00:32:23.260 have taken some of the hard work you've done and done an amazing job of analyzing and contextualize

00:32:29.560 that we've had many people do that but you've really been at the tip of the spear of being into the

00:32:33.700 details of what's going on on january 6th has mike pence ever reached out to you uh to to talk to

00:32:41.520 you about any article that you've ever written or has mike pence or anyone on his team contacted you

00:32:47.680 to be briefed on your encyclopedic knowledge of what is going on here ma'am

00:32:54.020 uh no he has not and i just want to make one correction i did leave american greatness a few months

00:32:59.820 ago so all my work can be found at my sub stack declassified with julie kelly that's where i'm

00:33:05.000 reporting now um but no mike pence uh no presidential campaign has reached out to me to get more

00:33:12.600 information about you know anything uh what's happening with january 6th the corrupt weaponized

00:33:18.960 uh retaliatory vengeful soulless cruel department of justice and the fbi um i mean i hear these words

00:33:28.040 come out of mike pence's mouth i don't know what he's talking about i mean he is right maybe he is

00:33:33.800 right there is no place for conservatism and populism in the same republican party but guess

00:33:39.520 what one person who allegedly represents conservatism is running about two three percent in the polls

00:33:45.620 and the other candidate who represents populism and maga and making america great again trying to

00:33:52.640 restore our country uh is way ahead of the field but i'll tell you what to hear him listen that we

00:33:59.040 have to operate through these institutions through this system just indicates to me he he doesn't know

00:34:07.380 what's going on in this system i mean the idea that we have to operate but that's all but hang on

00:34:13.840 that that's that's yeah that's what i want to ask you he sits there and makes this theoretical case

00:34:19.480 and quite frankly rebecca a sunny book farm kind of sixth grade civics in that unctuous voice 0.81

00:34:26.040 right is he living in the same era that we're living in julie tell me about that because you see it

00:34:32.600 every you're up close on it every day like no one in this country is tell me is he dealing with what's

00:34:39.280 happening in this country right now he's not at all so the question is and we talked about this the

00:34:45.100 other day what role is he playing um you know why is he trying to convince americans that this system

00:34:52.740 this government system regardless of what it is department of justice national security apparatus

00:34:57.700 even the military uh any system related to the federal government is working look at and that

00:35:05.340 extends beyond washington look at what's happening in fulton county we just learned yesterday

00:35:10.700 that the fulton county grand jury voted to indict people like david purdue and kelly loffler and

00:35:18.360 lindsey graham for what for talking about potential voting fraud in the state of georgia i mean every

00:35:26.420 institution has been hijacked by the left and these bloodthirsty democrats where does mike pence think

00:35:33.240 he thinks we need to work with that system instead of smash it to bits and rebuild it to the extent that

00:35:39.480 we can um so i don't know what role he's playing but he's hard to listen to and you know dating back

00:35:47.580 to january 6 2021 his account of that day as i said runs totally contrary to what his top aide said

00:35:55.640 he strung people along intentionally steve until one o'clock that day when the joint session was

00:36:02.840 scheduled to begin that is when he released his letter stating he would not do anything

00:36:09.000 about the handling of the electoral uh votes that day he knew he was not going to do anything but

00:36:15.280 he intentionally waited till the last minute so he could what he actually did was fuel a lot of anger

00:36:23.500 in the crowd i've seen defendants um this has been used as evidence against them posts and videos that

00:36:29.020 they made after finding out that pence at the very last minute uh would not do go along with the so-called

00:36:34.700 eastman plan so um you know but there is a part of the republican party that believes sort of what

00:36:42.380 republic what mike pence is saying not the base but certainly republican leaders which is why we see

00:36:48.880 so much silence related to uh what's happening with the january 6 defendants and you have someone like

00:36:54.600 colorado representative ken buck uh produced this just fact free for the most part letter uh in response

00:37:02.520 to his own voters concerns about the treatment of january 6 defendants so um you know these people are not

00:37:11.480 our allies they are cover-up artists and they're certainly playing on the other side of the team not on

00:37:18.020 our side so you believe that after seeing uh the mike pence and going through what he wrote in his book

00:37:25.500 versus you're the one person who's gone through all the testimony uh you believe that they're actually

00:37:30.920 on the other side they can't be any clear they're either putting up smoke screens they're trying to

00:37:35.060 cover for it they're gaslighting us however you want to say it but they're not our allies is that

00:37:40.920 your is that your theory of the case yes absolutely and i'll tell you there are still a lot of open-ended

00:37:46.440 questions about mike pence's role on january 6 we have not seen his communications for that day

00:37:52.500 um his whereabouts are is still very sketchy and i've seen this over and over in trials that they

00:37:59.500 could not specifically locate or they could not disclose where mike pence was they said he was in

00:38:06.380 an underground garage somewhere on capitol grounds well where did he go and i'll tell you why that's

00:38:12.360 important because the basis of thousands of charges of being in restricted grounds that day for these

00:38:18.380 defendants was that mike pence was there and because he was under secret service protection

00:38:23.880 as a secret service protectee the grounds in the building were off limits they also said that about

00:38:30.400 kamala harris by the way until a year later we found out doj was lying and that she actually was at the

00:38:35.820 dnc headquarters when the pipe bomb was found we still have no explanation as to why kamala harris left

00:38:42.060 the capital that day and went to dnc headquarters how her secret service detail

00:38:47.100 missed this explosive device but furthermore a lot of questions about mike pence's role

00:38:53.920 before and certainly on that day how why was he communicating with nancy pelosi and not the

00:39:00.080 president why was he communicating with capital police chief at the time steve sund i mean where

00:39:05.980 are his records where was he how much did he know in advance about what might potentially happen that

00:39:12.540 day i'll tell you a big lie that mike pence told a discrepancy between his book and the account of

00:39:18.520 mark short and greg jacob his general counsel mark short said that he drove to the capitol from the vp

00:39:26.160 residence uh to the capitol uh late that morning on january 6th mike pence said he went with his family

00:39:33.760 in the vehicle mark short said no they were in a separate vehicle why would mike pence not tell the truth

00:39:40.320 about that why would he say it was with the family and he wrote this dramatic thing you know saw all

00:39:45.460 these protesters and they were going to be so disappointed but he according to his own top aid

00:39:51.180 he they weren't even with in the car with him so as i said there's something very sinister about him

00:39:57.400 but also something very sketchy and shady about his involvement in the events of january 6th

00:40:04.140 talk to me about this delay because you've said through all the trials that triggered a lot if

00:40:12.040 not everything about it wasn't president trump it was the action of mike pence what walk me through

00:40:17.700 what in his book how does he describe uh not telling anybody well he has a few different excuses as to why

00:40:26.780 there was a delay for this memo that he finally released as i said around one o'clock one of them is

00:40:32.760 that he was still gathering information his account of the morning of january 6th is that he went to his

00:40:38.860 computer he typed out this memo there had been a couple of drafts but he made it sound like he was

00:40:44.580 making the drafts not mark short and uh greg jacob and another aid which seems to be the truth according

00:40:50.580 to their sworn testimony to the january 6th select committee he said he wakes up he says a prayer

00:40:56.800 you know he thinks about his oath of office he starts rewriting or writing this memo he wrote it

00:41:03.080 on his own he made it sound like he said his top aides short and jacob got to the vp residence

00:41:08.800 are uh about 10 50 that morning they both testified they were there at 8 30 in the morning that they

00:41:15.480 were collaborating on this memo that they were working on someone's laptop on it mike pence said

00:41:21.060 he was working at his desktop and then get this he said he printed it out went to see if he saved

00:41:27.700 the file on his computer he hadn't so his daughter had to rewrite it in the computer based on the

00:41:35.940 printed document neither greg mark short nor greg jacob said that at all so what's with this weird

00:41:43.640 story that it wasn't saved when obviously he had his top aides there that morning as they were

00:41:49.580 finalizing it then he said the reason it was late was because they wanted out of respect for

00:41:55.240 donald trump get this they wanted to wait until his speech at the ellipse was over before they

00:42:00.840 released the letter now as we know donald trump took the stage much later than originally scheduled

00:42:06.520 he didn't finish speaking at the ellipse until about 110 so then mike pence said well we were running up

00:42:12.360 against the clock because the joint session started at one so we released this letter emailed it to

00:42:17.940 you know all the house members and members of the senate then made it publicly available so you had

00:42:23.380 all these people at the ellipse trump is still speaking right before mike pence who was in charge of

00:42:29.340 the joint session he releases this memo after teasing people for days you'll recall that he might do

00:42:35.880 something oh and the biggest one steve my donald trump called mike pence at about 9 30 on january 6th

00:42:44.200 uh his aides were there mike pence said he went to take the phone call it lasted about 15 or 20

00:42:49.480 minutes i believe mark short said that um did he tell the president at the 9 30 call by the way i'm

00:42:56.340 working on this memo and i'm not going to go along with this plan there's no indication that he did

00:43:02.180 because trump called him back at about 11 30 and that's when he told him again very sketchy conduct by

00:43:09.220 mike pence no and they never uh by the way can you just hold through a quick break take a quick

00:43:15.000 break also never uh never ran the letter which is one of the most important legal documents

00:43:21.120 out there never ran it past and jacobs never ran past the white house council

00:43:25.140 jacobs is the counsel to the uh to the vice president never ran it by the white house council

00:43:31.000 never gave him a draft form never showed to anybody in draft according to the book and according

00:43:35.640 their testimony never showed to anybody in draft form a document that important he's just typing

00:43:40.320 it up that morning can you get any more irresponsible than that mr responsibility mr unctuous short commercial

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00:45:54.820 julie just if you just take a minute or two and and tell people in your own words the system that

00:46:03.900 we're really up against mike pence gives you this kind of rebecca at sunnybrook farm sixth grade civics

00:46:09.520 lesson what's the reality of what we're dealing with ma'am as you see it the reality is that you

00:46:15.940 have a department of justice that is twisting and misrepresenting and weaponizing statutes such as

00:46:23.480 obstruction of an official proceeding to turn political protesters into convicted felons that is

00:46:30.200 the 1512 c2 count you also have them twisting ancient statutes like seditious conspiracy which

00:46:37.760 no american has been convicted of before january 6th this is a charge that is usually applied to real

00:46:44.940 terrorists like the blind shake so they're now weaponizing that statute as well then you turn to

00:46:52.340 how they are adding prison time these excessive harsh sentences that for example we just saw in the

00:46:58.780 proud boys case but we've also seen this for more than two years uh what other in what other

00:47:05.820 jurisdiction is someone who allegedly sprays a keychain pepper spray at a police officer denied release

00:47:13.000 held in solitary confinement basically for a year and a half before you torment a plea deal out of this

00:47:18.460 man and he's then sentenced to 82 months in prison on top of that it just there's no comparison

00:47:23.980 between what's happening in these january 6th cases and anything else so you've got excessive

00:47:30.960 sentences the weaponization of statutes you've got judges who are putting their long term their

00:47:37.720 permanent imprimatur on the weaponization of these statutes and also the use of the terror enhancement

00:47:44.240 at sentencing what happened last week is judge tim kelly as we talked about made shaking a metal fence

00:47:52.140 a federal act of terrorism that is the terrorism uh sentencing enhancement he applied for five

00:47:58.920 members of the proud boys including henry gaitario who was in baltimore he wasn't even there on january

00:48:05.360 6th nonetheless he's now sentenced to 22 years in prison um but aside from how the system is operating how the

00:48:14.160 system is corrupt how this system is compromised the people who are running it what has always struck me the

00:48:21.560 most steve is the cruelty of these line prosecutors and these judges i've referred to them as sadistic

00:48:28.900 they are gratified by inflicting pain on people trump supporters keep in mind most of these january 6th

00:48:36.420 defendants have no money they have no criminal record they don't know how the justice system works or

00:48:41.320 certainly how it works in washington dc they are completely blindsided by how they've been treated

00:48:48.280 as domestic terrorists even for low-level petty offenses like parading in the capitol

00:48:53.020 so um what i how i see these line prosecutors and these judges operate i think that is what upsets me

00:49:01.280 infuriates me and and saddens me the most because the human beings who are behind this are really uh the

00:49:09.240 villains here and look it's not stopping i mean we just saw last week the raid of the man from uh oklahoma

00:49:16.340 and the the blowback to liberty safe for turning over that information to the fbi that's been

00:49:22.700 happening for two more than two and a half years big tech airlines banking institutions amazon you name

00:49:30.040 it they're working hand in glove with the fbi to produce records of their own customers to help the

00:49:35.700 fbi track down j6 trespassers and ruin their lives we are now seeing new arrests almost every single day 0.84

00:49:43.440 matthew graves the dc u.s attorney has promised to more than double the current caseload which is

00:49:48.700 now over 1100 individuals uh so this is not stopping so this is the system that not just j6ers are facing 0.99

00:49:57.280 but all of us eventually uh and mike pence to be the gutless coward he is that really triggered most of

00:50:08.120 this not to have any interest and to come out with this unctuous uh you know time for choosing

00:50:13.340 here's a time for choosing mike pence is a gutless coward he's going into the dustbin of history at one

00:50:19.480 percent in the presidential primary julie kelly how do people get to your sub stack man thanks for

00:50:25.580 having me on steve it's declassified with julie kelly um so i'm posting a ton of breaking news about

00:50:30.880 january 6th and doj and the trump cases as well and then i'm on social media twitter x julie underscore

00:50:38.140 kelly to true social at julie underscore kelly julie uh fight on tremendous work tremendous reporting

00:50:46.100 and um look forward to having you back thanks

00:50:49.440 i mean that's one of the things that really upset me when i heard pence's speech it's not

00:50:56.420 his version of conservatism is one of the reasons we got here because it wasn't backed up with any

00:51:02.980 force any moral force they didn't really believe it and that's why they continue to roll over time and

00:51:08.980 time and time and time again because they won't stand in the breach and fight and the people like

00:51:14.600 the julie kelly's of the world uh will and that's and trump will this is why they hate trump and they

00:51:21.320 realize that populism and trump's uh the trump movement is ascendant okay um we've got a huge

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Bannon's War Room - September 09, 2023

Episode 3016： The Cowardice Of Mike Pence

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