Episode 3046： The Fight Continues To Block CR
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Bryan Mayorkas speaks with CNN's Ed Lavandera in Eagle Pass, Texas about the surge in migrants crossing the border and the impact on the border patrol and immigration enforcement efforts. The border patrol is responding to a growing number of migrants crossing between the United States and Mexico.
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in the sense that I don't understand why anybody votes against bringing the idea and having the
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debate. And then you've got all the amendments if you don't like the bill. This is a whole new
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concept of individuals that just want to burn the whole place down. It doesn't work.
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Everything stands. So as of right now, GOP leaders have decided to send members home
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for the rest of the weeks after a tumultuous few days here in the House. They initially had planned
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to put a short-term funding bill on the floor on Saturday after they included a number of
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conservative priorities to try to win over hardline critics. But that was not enough. So now
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it's back to the drawing board. And we're told the new strategy is going to be focusing on individual
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spending bills. They're long-term spending bills. But the problem there is that they would need to
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pass 11 individual spending bills within the next nine days or so in order to avoid a government
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shutdown. And those bills would be dead on arrival in the Senate. And so it is looking increasingly
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likely that there is going to be a government shutdown. We've been following a developing
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situation at the U.S. border with Mexico, where we are seeing a surge in migrants.
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Here in the last 24 hours, there were 8,600 border arrests. Now President Biden is sending another
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800 troops to the border. We have CNN's Ed Lavandera in Eagle Pass, Texas, which just declared a state of
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emergency due to this surge. Ed, tell us about this surge. Why are we seeing this sudden rise in new
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arrivals? Well, we've had a chance over the last few days working along the U.S.-Mexico border from
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El Paso here to Eagle Pass, where we're at. And we've spoken with many migrants. And the overall
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theme that we've heard from them as to why all of a sudden they're crossing in these kinds of numbers
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in between ports of entry, which essentially hits them as an illegal entry and can cause problems for
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them as they move through the immigration process in the U.S. But many of them say they're just simply
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desperate, that they're coming from countries, dictatorships like Venezuela, and it is just
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unsafe for them and that they've been traveling for months to reach the U.S.-Mexico border. Many of
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them, Brianna, also tell us they've been waiting to travel and enter into the U.S. through this program
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that was set up called the CBP1 app, where essentially you request a meeting, you wait your turn,
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and then you cross when you get that appointment. But many people say they're just simply tired of
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waiting, that they've been waiting for months to get those appointments. And that's perhaps one of
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the reasons why we're seeing this massive influx of immigrants and migrants crossing into the U.S.
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illegally. Here in Eagle Pass, we've seen hundreds and hundreds throughout the day. It might be a
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little bit hard to make out because many of them are now held in, are in custody now underneath this
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bridge. But in the shadow, you have hundreds of migrants who are waiting to be processed.
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We're told some will be processed and charged with trespassing from the state, from state
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authorities, and others will be processed by Border Patrol. Brianna.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll be briefly yield my time since I'm kind of wasting my time here. I'll
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be honest with you. Secretary Mayorkas, do you take full responsibility for all decisions of action
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or inaction made at your agency? Do you personally take full responsibility for all of the decisions
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made at your agency? I'm the secretary of the department. So it means yes. I bear ultimate
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responsibility for the decisions made. Yes. Yes. Okay. So you mentioned earlier that in your
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definition, you have operational control of the border. Can you define what you mean by that?
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What we mean, because under the Secure Fence Act, it means that not a single individual would cross
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the border. And under that definition, no administration has had operational control.
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So what number do you have? 5,010,000 if less than 5 or 10 or less than a couple hundred thousand get
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away or more? I mean, what is your definition? What we do, Congresswoman, is we have a number.
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What we do is we look at the resources that we have available to us and ask ourselves, are we
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deploying those resources to achieve the most effective results for the American people? That
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is what we do. And we are hopeful working with you and other members of this committee to increase
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the funding for the Department of Homeland Security. So it's so funny. We hear funding, we're funding,
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funding, but I've been at the border and you've been at the border too. How would you grade your job
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on a scale of 0 to 10? How would you grade yourself?
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Congresswoman, I am immensely proud to work. How would you grade yourself?
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Congresswoman, I am immensely proud to work with the men and women of the Department of Homeland Security.
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No, yourself, your job, not all of the women. I'm sure there are a lot of great men and women
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in your department. How would you rate your job as the head of your agency?
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It is the honor of my life. From 0 to 10, so you cannot grade it. How would you grade your
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preparedness to this committee meeting on a scale from 0 to 10? We ask information,
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you always promise this letter. I'm not wasting my time. I'm sorry, I don't want to use a bad
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word, but you can do with all these letters because we keep giving money and sending letters
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and you tell us BS back. So how would you rate yourself your preparedness to this committee?
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It is the honor of my lifetime to work with the men and women.
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From scale 0 to 10, how would you say how you prepared you came to this hearing?
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So you're not answering any questions. You are not answering any Republican question. Is it
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something that you intend to not respond to any questions of Republicans? You came with that
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I mean, every time I hear you say, we will, we will, we shall. Yeah, I don't know. You don't,
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you don't know any numbers. You don't even know how many people you actually, you know,
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you, you were prosecuted, how many people you deported, you're nothing. How can you say
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you know how your department is run as executive? You don't know these numbers?
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I'm sorry. I to tell you, I'll yield to Chairman Jordan because I'm not going to be wasting
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your time with this charade and circus. You do not have an intent to do that. And it
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is a serious national security issue. This border and cartels are stronger. A lot of
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money NGOs are making who knows what and probably a lot of corruption over there. And we have a
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national security crisis. And you sit in here and saying, you know, looking at us with very
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smiley face. It's unacceptable. But I yield to Chairman Jordan.
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Thursday, 21 September, the year of our Lord, 2023 on in the nation's capital. Kevin McCarthy's
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reign as speaker is coming unglued. And the reason if you get down to it, it's just the games,
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the games, the games, the games. You saw yesterday we did the special where we did the 21 minute
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open with with Merrick Garland getting grilled and we ended with Congressman Victoria Sparks.
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I wanted to play that from a couple of weeks ago because the invasion of the southern border
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only gets worse. Eagle Pass, Texas. The mayor has declared a state of emergency. As you saw
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right there for those our TV and live stream viewers, the chyron at CNN said the 2,500 National
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Guard troops have been called up are not for enforcement. They're simply there to act as
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concierge to help the illegal aliens through. Congressman Victoria Sparks, first off, I
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want to just go to the developments today. You're one of the people that have demanded
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accountability. You don't you're tired of playing games. You want to get to the basics
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of these of these appropriations bills to get the woken weaponized out to cut the spending.
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Just give us your assessment of where we stand. A pretty historic that I think Kevin McCarthy
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sent you guys home today. Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Steve, for doing that and
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informing American people. Unfortunately, the American people have been lied by Congress and
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politicians for too long. And it's sad for me to see. But you know what? American people
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are not stupid. And actually, we underestimate American people are frustrated and a lot of them
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frustrated. But I'll be honest with you. Leadership takes courage and takes actions. And you know,
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when you deal as a leader, you have to deliver results. We can do a lot of talk. We can make
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a lot of grandiose statements and fight China on Fox News. But in reality, it doesn't matter.
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Writing books, making statements and messaging bill doesn't make a difference for Americans.
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And Americans in our country facing some serious national security crisis is an issue. So I used
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to say, Kevin, pick three hills to die and it will take them. Now I actually say, pick one. Pick one and
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let's deliver it for the American people. And it's sad for me that we are right now because we didn't
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want to work hard and actually deliver it because it's hard. It's too much work. You know, and I am one of
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the few people willing to give, you know, another chance to Kevin if we fight for the border, if we
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fight to deal with our debt. But there are some people that very dig down. You know, he put himself
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in difficult situations. Some people cannot believe and not agree not to pass the appropriation. I
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personally fought with Kevin to have that rule done. And now we are a few days left and we didn't
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pass the appropriation bill. So I told him you have to talk to them and now figure out how you can get
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them on board. But it's becoming tougher and tougher now.
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Congressman, I think here's the audience is is is confused. And, you know, we're this is a MAGA
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activist audience, as I know you're aware. When the deal was cut and look, we didn't like the deal.
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But when the deal was cut, there was this there was an agreement on the appropriations bills that each
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individual committee would work through. There'd be regular order. We would get the cuts in that and
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also get the woke and weaponized, if not out, at least identified. And then McCarthy sent everybody
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home for six weeks. Do you believe was this always a plan of McCarthy to come back and just have a
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crisis because they didn't want to actually have you as a as you know, these committee members
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actually get in and start talking about what had to be cut out of the budget to make sure that we get
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some some sort of sanity on the on the physical spending? I think I'll be honest with me. I don't
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think, unfortunately, a leadership of our part and listen, Kevin is not cause of it. You know,
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he is a symptom of the system, Washington, D.C. It's not personal at all. The challenges, you know,
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a lot of people like him and a lot of many others that some people might think even like, but, you know,
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they don't know much about them. In reality, I mean, the last job he had when he had the internship in
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college. He doesn't live in the reality, hasn't lived for years, non-reality of American people.
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A lot of these people live in D.C. They don't even go on the district except cutting a ribbon.
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Actually, the time in August is really, you know, the time when you have to spend in constituency.
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But we had times in January to deal with these bills. And we had an agreement to start with 22
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numbers. 23 numbers were like so inflated. They put so much junk. So he had the agreement with
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conservatives in a good phase to start with 22 numbers. Well, they didn't start. And he can blame
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committee chairs and he can blame all other people in leadership. In reality, as a leader
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who elected to this people, he has six votes on select committee, on the steering committee to
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elect people. And they pretty much take them out or put them in. You are responsible for don't blame
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people under you that they didn't do it. You set the tone of the leader and ultimately take
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responsibility. You take credit for all reasons we win and you take forever loss. You're going to be
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accountable. So now he put himself in a very difficult situation. It's an unfortunate situation
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because we were able to pass some good policies and understand that it's all starting point. We have
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to negotiate, you know, with the Senate, but we could hold the ground on some very important issues
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and win. We didn't win on the border and debt ceiling negotiation. We didn't win on real issue
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to move the debt. We did it. You know, unfortunately, we didn't. It decreased the amount of unauthorized
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spending. We didn't even pass the budget yet or appropriation bill, which was an agreement. So we're
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going to not do business as usual. You know, we improve some things on the rules because we put some
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good people there on the rules that willing to fight the righteous fight. That's the only win
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happen, you know, that we're forced. But even our rules until appropriation, we fail on that now.
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So I think it's, you know, he will have to now be able to explain and figure out what he's going to do.
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Explain. I think it was a tweet you put out the other day. You said that you thought
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McCarthy was weak and this Congress was worthless. I don't want to put words in your mouth,
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but I think that was it. What did you mean by that?
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Well, I mean what I thought I said. Okay. I actually don't spin my words. I actually mean it.
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If we cannot do anything for the Republic, for the American people having leadership, we can always
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talk, oh, we'll have this perfect aligning and star someday. No, you are right now in the position.
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The American people give you majority, large, small, whatever you have, you are in charge
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of the House. You cannot say that the issue was created by many Congresses. These issues are so
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material now. The magnitude is so significant that solutions are not going to be easy, but not dealing
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with them will create a lot of situations. We were talking about national security calamity on some of
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these issues. If we're not starting moving the needle on them, at least incremental. So if you're not
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going to, you know, try to make a difference and have some of these wins for the American people,
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and it's not a partisan issue. You know, it's not an issue of border. It's not the issue of Texas
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or Arizona. We have now Democrat mayor of New York alarmed. We have cities in Indiana that have a huge
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problem. So this is an issue that they're bipartisan issues. And Americans all affected. Each state is a
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border state. And you cannot deliver anything on that. Then why should people vote for us?
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It will give an excuse to say, you know what, they're all the same. And then people get frustrated
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with us. And then they elect some people that, I mean, listen, not just promoting socialism,
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they're promoting dictatorship closer to communists, which is very disturbing.
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And Congressman, if you just hold for a second, we're going to take a short commercial break.
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We're going to return with Indiana's Victoria Sparks. We've got Andy Ogles is going to be with us.
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I think Tim Burchett. We may have a couple of other surprises. Take a short commercial break.
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We're going to return with the firebrand from Indiana in the war room in just a moment.
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but I wanted to tell you, and I want to share with you and get your thoughts on that. Are you aware
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that a lot of Americans are now afraid of being prosecuted by your department? Are you aware
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about that? Are you aware of that? I'm just saying, are you aware or not?
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I think that constant attacks on the department and saying that...
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It's not attacks. Well, let me give you an example. You talk about January 6th people.
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There are some people came on January 6th. There probably were some people that came on January
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6th here, you know, that had bad intent. But a lot of good Americans from my district came here
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because they're sick and tired of this government not serving them. They came with strollers and the
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kids, and there was a chaotic situation because the proper security wasn't provided. That's a
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question that was answered, really, why? Why we debated for 55 minutes on the floor and didn't
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stop the debate after the people broke in into the Capitol. But these people came. They were
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throwing the smoke bombs into the crowd with strollers with kids. People showed up, you know,
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FBI agents to people's houses. You had in my district, in my town, FBI phone numbers all over
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the district. Please call. Call that. People are truly afraid. I just want to make sure if you're not
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aware that you are. And this is a big problem when people are afraid of their own government. And I'll
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show you some other things. We're talking about justice system. I don't question. You're probably
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not a bad person. I don't know you. But what I'll tell you, you are in charge of the department.
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And people right now feel, you know, I look at Durham report and I call on the FISA violations of
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queries of millions of Americans, right? It's like KGB. But when I read Durham reports, we have this,
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you have a nice, you know, playbook. First, let's have a special counsel. And then you don't have to
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answer any questions here. Then let's extend slow work investigation on Hillary Clinton, on Hunter.
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Everything is slow work. We were very quick on Donald Trump, but you were very slow work. Then by the
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time, you know, that investigation ended, statute of limitation expired, and all of your agents need
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to be tested for amnesia. No one recalls anything. Okay, you probably should have as part of your hiring
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policy. So no one held accountable, which was egregious what happened, you know, in that report.
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When I read about them, I can't believe it happened in the United States of America. This is
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my frustration. I'll be honest with you. Then it's very interesting, you know, regardless what it is,
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even people in Obama administration raise concerns. You know, how can President Sanz be serving
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on, you know, corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs? Do you understand that it actually can undermine
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the one Ukrainian effort and policy? I think these concerns were raised. The Obama administration
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didn't do anything about it. These people are dying right now, and Americans don't trust this
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president. So you, I want to ask you one thing, you know, as you, you know, I don't need answer because
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I know you're not going to, but I think you're probably a good American and you care. And a lot of
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these people are so afraid they cover up this stuff. I think in your department, because they're
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embarrassed that what we became as a country to say that what our department of justice became,
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that allows Russians to do propaganda and Chinese, it allows them to destabilize our country. That is
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danger to our Republic. It is significant danger. And I have just one more question from you. You know,
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I mean, I agree on corporate crimes and FISA stuff, even with Democrats that we need to do a better job.
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One more question for you. Do you believe that, you know, you've talked about rights to vote,
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but do you believe that only U.S. citizens should be voting in this election and doing anything to
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make sure that only eligible people vote in elections? Yes and yes. Okay. I would like to
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see that what you do. Thank you. Okay. Welcome back. Victoria Sparks, congressman from Indiana Five,
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joins us. We've played these two clips because of some of the most powerful and dramatic time of
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members of Congress trying to, representing the people, trying to have oversight on this
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administrative state, which in their arrogance just is going to do what they're going to do.
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Congressman Sparks, your thoughts. Thank you, Steve. And this is my frustration with
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Republicans because we can do a lot of letters and all the bits, but you're not very well. The only
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thing that matters in Washington, D.C. is money. And if we are not doing proper authorization of
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spending, where Department of Justice and FBI don't come to our committee, where we have to,
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they have to justify what are they doing with their money? And we take some money from them,
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then they will care less. I had maybe a little bit rude statement, what you can do by port with
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our letters, what you send them. That only thing will get the attention, you know, it's actually money.
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And we do nothing to take a deep dive what's happening with, you know, with the spending,
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because devil is always in the details. And this is our number one job. And I was very frustrated
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that Kevin didn't want and convinced other Republicans not to do the rule on forcing
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authorization, at least improvement in some authorization for some major issues like DOJ
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and FBI. I mean, yeah, we can talk about, you know, FISA reauthorization, but that's not going to solve
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all the issues that within that department. And I think that's unfortunate where we are today.
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And I'm very frustrated with my party first, because listen, I take accountability for my
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leaders. I take accountability for my party. And if my party doesn't deliver, you know, the other side
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is able to destroy and have pretty much, I'll be honest with you, this is a tyranny what's happening.
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You know, our, you know, we had a revolutionary war not to have a itinerary. We are oppressing people
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where people now will be afraid and say like, well, I don't like what Sparks has to say, but I'm not
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going to do demonstration in Washington DC because they say, you know, I'm an insurrectionist now.
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I'll be afraid. People are intimidated not to be able to say, I disagree with the government. You have
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a right to disagree. You don't have a right to be violent and hurt anyone, but you have a right to
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disagree with the government. If we lose that right, our republic is completely lost and all people
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that died for us to have it are gone. And if our republic is gone, everyone else can go to hell
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too, because we're the only country left that is going to fight the righteous fight. And unfortunately,
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if we don't do something to save this republic soon, it's going to be a big disaster. And it breaks my
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heart that Republicans always wait for this magic, perfect moment, which will never happen. And we've
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Congressman, how do you see, what's your recommendation, what happens over the next couple of days and next week?
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What is your recommendation to how we get out of this?
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Well, I think it's important. And I said to Kevin, he has to now discuss with people, you know, that really,
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you know, conservatives, you know, they cannot be threatened. I told him a long time ago, if you're going to
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threaten me, I'm going to dig in nowhere in hell. I don't care who had to do what. I don't care what
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you're going to say. I will definitely never vote for that. I don't think he understands real
00:24:25.820
conservatives that came from the trenches. They are not puppets, and they are not going to be,
00:24:30.960
you know, oppressed and not going to be threatened. You know, you have to have a conversation. That
00:24:36.400
conversation should have happened a while ago. But he now needs to meet with people and figure out how
00:24:42.220
he can address this concern, then get to the rest of the people, because it's not all this like
00:24:47.420
families meeting and everything. We all have to be able to figure out our differences. And I think
00:24:51.980
there are some things actually were very positive in the debate. And a long time ago, I told him we
00:24:56.560
need to have productive debates, not the 30 second things. You cannot really, you know, explain anything
00:25:02.100
in 30 seconds on major issues where we have to have as a group to deliberate debate and come to
00:25:08.000
the decision and conclusion and address people's concern. Because a lot of people have legitimate
00:25:12.720
concerns and see how we can come together. Because we can, we shall and will. And in a lot of issues,
00:25:17.760
we have a very strong agreement. So he has to now work with these people and figure out,
00:25:22.560
and some of them, it will be very difficult to figure out how to do, because the short frame
00:25:27.120
is very short right now. But I think he can, and he individually, I think he should not be sending
00:25:32.760
people at this point. But personally, start meeting with these people and trying to figure
00:25:37.560
out and then let everyone know what he could figure out. That's now up to him to figure out,
00:25:42.440
or he might not be a speaker. And unfortunately, that might lead us to a lot of other things that
00:25:48.120
unfortunately might be not very nice, and we might lose the majority. I hate to tell you,
00:25:53.480
and I don't want that happening. So I told him I'm willing to help as much as I can. But ultimately,
00:25:58.920
that's up to him now to figure out. Congressman, we only got like a minute,
00:26:04.840
and I know the audience wants to answer this question. You've announced that you're not going
00:26:08.280
to run for re-election family. You want to spend more time with your daughters in high school.
00:26:12.600
What would it take to have you reconsider that? Because as you know, this house is lacking in
00:26:17.640
fighters. And I think everybody is in agreement with you that you're a fighter. Well, what would it take
00:26:22.040
to do that? Well, thank you. Listen, I've been in the trenches fighting for many years now. And
00:26:28.920
it's exhausting, and I'm willing to fight the fight. But you know, sometimes it's very difficult
00:26:33.400
to be one woman standing. We need to have more leaders, you know, fighting with us. And unfortunately,
00:26:39.320
if I'm going to, you know, and I'm going to win some battles for the people. Even if I'm standing alone,
00:26:44.760
I am going to win some battles and whatever it takes. And I think we have some people that are willing to
00:26:50.440
also join in. But it will take more than that. And I think it will take good leadership. And we need
00:26:55.640
to see that. And I think in some ways, you know, if I'm going to take so much time from my family,
00:27:01.160
my children that I barely see, you know, I'm willing to do it. But I'm willing to do it. We really want
00:27:06.680
to make a difference to the country here and not sit here and be on TV and write books. That's not the goal
00:27:12.120
of my life. I mean, it is a great honor. It's a great honor to be part of the United States Congress,
00:27:18.920
these powerful institutions that can do so much good. But it's a huge responsibility in someone who
00:27:24.840
doesn't like government in general. I understand, you know, the sacrifices you have to make,
00:27:31.720
but they have to be worthwhile. And I think a lot more people will be willing to make some tough votes
00:27:37.400
if they're meaningful. It's not like we make some vote just for the show and it goes nowhere. We have to
00:27:43.320
deliver results. And I haven't seen that yet, unfortunately, from many leaders of my party.
00:27:49.800
You know, one thing, you know, hate him or love him, you know, President Trump delivered more than
00:27:54.840
anyone ever on things that he promised. He probably could do more. And I think, you know, he might do
00:28:01.080
more, you know, but unfortunately, most my politicians here, they do a lot of great deal of talk,
00:28:08.200
but they do not fight for actions to win. Congressman, what's your social media? How do
00:28:15.000
people follow you? Well, it's, you know, you can, it's my official account. It's at RepSparts,
00:28:22.280
S-P-A-R-T-Z. And I also have one with Victoria's Parts. I haven't done too much social media,
00:28:28.520
but I probably need to do more. Thank you. We'll follow you. Thank you, ma'am.
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Okay. The volunteer state, the great state of Tennessee has been at the forefront and leadership
00:30:29.060
of this historic fight that we have seen today. They're really quite frankly, I think is ascending
00:30:34.700
the house of representatives in a, in a very different direction. Uh, both Andy Ogles and of
00:30:39.740
course, Tim Burchett, uh, have both been at the tip of the spear of this. Andy Ogles was on John
00:30:44.560
Fredericks. Remember we played the clip in this morning where he said, Hey, I think we got 20 people
00:30:48.700
against the CR. And as it turned out, the CR got tossed side. Now a lot of games being played right
00:30:54.260
now. Um, McCarthy, uh, kind of bent this afternoon, sending everybody home, says we're going to follow
00:31:00.540
the Gates plan next week of going to, um, the individual appropriations bills, which we should
00:31:05.660
have done months ago. This is what we argued about. Let me bring in Congressman Ogles, uh, who I've had
00:31:10.460
the pleasure of knowing for a long time and, uh, is a big fan favorite here in the world. Congressman,
00:31:15.940
I just want to go quickly. You put down a series of demands to say, Hey, if this CR is going to be
00:31:21.020
real, maybe I'll think about it, but you got to do the following. You got to fund the wall,
00:31:23.940
close the border. You have to establish a house bird committee on reduction of non-essential
00:31:28.520
spending. You have to release all the J six videos and you have to use a Holman rule to defund
00:31:33.140
my Yorkers and defund, uh, Jack Smith. Uh, how important do you think that list of demands
00:31:39.080
and you're a maniacal focus on setting things, right? Do you think, uh, change McCarthy's
00:31:44.380
opinion? Well, you know, you know, uh, if you look at that list, number three and four,
00:31:49.120
the videos could be released right now. They can be released tonight. You could check that off.
00:31:53.180
Uh, the select committee on, uh, when it comes to defunding unnecessary spending that the speaker
00:32:01.740
could do that again, literally with the stroke of the pen. And so that sends a message to the
00:32:06.180
American people that were serious. I was just on the phone with president Trump about an hour ago
00:32:10.600
talking about this process and how broken and weaponized the government is. And he said,
00:32:15.480
he just said, thank you. Thank you for fighting back and being one of the voices, uh, for America
00:32:20.360
because look, I'm fed up, you're fed up. And quite frankly, I think America's fed up.
00:32:27.820
I want to know, you came up through the ranks, you were a mayor and you've, you've had to be an
00:32:32.580
executive and deliver for the people. Is that the problem we have here? Do we have too many people
00:32:36.720
that are just legislature legislators or just lawyers and they don't realize that this thing
00:32:42.600
is about action, action with this, the nations in a crisis and a financial and fiscal crisis,
00:32:48.700
and they just don't get it. I mean, did your time as mayor inform what you're doing now? And maybe the
00:32:56.520
leadership just doesn't quite get how serious this is. And quite frankly, how dug in your constituents
00:33:01.540
are on these issues? Yeah. I mean, I I'm quite frankly, you know, I realize I'm the new kid on
00:33:07.340
the block, you know, but, but I'm frustrated here. We are. September 30th was our deadline.
00:33:12.060
September 30th didn't move on the calendar. We've known for months that this was going to happen.
00:33:17.500
And so why weren't these bills scheduled? Why weren't we staying during the August recess? I came
00:33:23.080
here to do a job and I'm offended that anybody would go home at the hour, the idea of even going home
00:33:28.640
when we have a job to do. I mean, if we have a government shutdown, people you're going to have
00:33:33.800
people that aren't coming to work because they're going to be temporary furloughed. That's not
00:33:38.260
acceptable, folks. We've got to do our jobs. You expect us to do our jobs. And so what you see
00:33:43.600
happening right now is a member led initiative where some of us got together and said, you know what,
00:33:48.880
if there's not a plan, we're going to come up with a plan. And quite frankly, it's a broad coalition.
00:33:54.080
So I expect, I was advocating just in a meeting earlier that we have a rules vote tonight and we
00:34:00.440
start voting on appropriations bills on Saturday. I'm committed to staying here. Look, I realize
00:34:05.740
Sunday, Monday are a holiday for some. I respect that, but we can stay through Saturday. We can get
00:34:12.600
as much done between now and Saturday for the American people because we don't have a few days
00:34:16.860
left, right? And so for us to be able to look the American people in the eye and say that we're doing
00:34:21.500
the best we can do, that we're fighting for you. We have to stay here and we have to do our jobs.
00:34:28.420
And your program or what you're recommending as you build this coalition is you're going to go
00:34:33.360
through each of these appropriations bill in regular order as they should have been. Talk about
00:34:37.760
the woke and weaponization, getting them out and talk about these cuts, the budget cuts in the
00:34:43.120
appropriations process. Well, so I was one of the 20, right? And we fought for individual spending
00:34:49.360
bills. So we were told to your point that we would have 12 spending bills. Again, we could have had
00:34:55.540
all of this stuff teed up weeks and weeks ago. And so, yes, we're going to go vote on each one of
00:35:01.500
those one by one. And look, you may have one or two of them that fail, but you know what you do
00:35:05.700
because we're the House of Representatives. You go back, you do another draft and you put it before
00:35:09.880
the body. That's what our founding fathers intended. John Quincy Adams loved the House of Representatives
00:35:15.560
because that's where you fought and you argued it was the people's house. And that's what we need
00:35:19.940
to be doing right now, not going to parties and fundraisers and doing all the other stuff.
00:35:24.080
We need to stay here. We need to stay late and we need to be voting on these appropriations. And so
00:35:28.760
I've been a loud advocate for no CR and getting the appropriations process done.
00:35:34.560
I know you get a bounce, but the last question, do you think that leadership
00:35:38.240
in this process, and quite frankly, it's been humiliating for them, that they understand that
00:35:45.460
you people are serious and that the time for gimmicks and games are over and we've got to be
00:35:49.560
straightforward in how we do this and straightforward with the American people?
00:35:54.480
Well, I mean, I think if anyone had any idea or question about my resolve or some of our resolve,
00:36:00.960
all you have to do is go back to January, right? We fought for a rules package. We didn't back down
00:36:05.520
until we got it. And same here with the CR. Look, we have a job to do. We're the House of
00:36:10.700
Representatives. And so, yes, I'm somewhat baffled. I don't know if they thought that they
00:36:15.240
could jam us or if maybe they thought they could blame us, but we're taking, you know, again,
00:36:20.020
we're leading. I think you've got a lot of people that really want to make cuts. We want to make cuts
00:36:25.000
on behalf of the American people. And since the leadership didn't calendar it, we're taking the
00:36:29.600
initiative to try to get this done. And now what we need to do, again, like I said, and I'll say it
00:36:34.620
again, we need to stay here in D.C. and we need to work. And I'm committed to doing that.
00:36:40.080
Congressman, how do people following social media go to your site? Where do people find out more
00:36:43.960
about your fight here? Yeah, you just look up andyogles.com or Rep Ogles on Twitter or X or
00:36:49.740
Twix, whatever you want to call it. But, you know, I'm easy to find. And, you know, I appreciate all
00:36:54.680
that you do in the fight for conservatism and just being a voice of reason, quite frankly.
00:37:00.120
Well, I got to tell you, you're one of the heroes. People love you and have your back.
00:37:06.240
Just remember that. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Yeah.
00:37:10.240
You're seeing the fighters here. By the way, these people were put under enormous pressure.
00:37:15.880
What happened today was historic. There's never been a speaker in the House in the history of this
00:37:21.620
body, in the history of this republic, that publicly threw in the towel like you threw in the towel and went in a
00:37:27.400
totally different direction of what Congressman Ogles said was the original deal that was cut.
00:37:32.640
And remember, that fight was historic in its nature. And this is what's happened today. It's historic.
00:37:40.680
We're a long way from victory. But remember, victories beget victories. And today was
00:37:45.880
unbelievable about what happened. Congressman Bircher, do we have that we don't have the cold open from
00:37:51.440
OK, I want to play by the thank you so much for joining us. Now that you're a big star on CNN,
00:37:55.560
for those that didn't see it, Congressman was on with Abby Phillips last night, I think for eight
00:38:01.060
minutes, really explaining. And I think very for the CNN audience, it must have been shocked given
00:38:07.360
what they were being spun during the day. But you kind of laid out, hey, this is the way it's going
00:38:11.700
to be. And we're not going to back down. And the CR is going to just go is not going to pass. And
00:38:17.020
we're going to get down to the basics. Tell us what's transpired since last night when you were with
00:38:21.920
Abby Phillips with CNN until right now. Well, that sort of started a firestorm. I'm here.
00:38:28.240
And I've heard a lot of our members basically quoting me. And folks back in East Tennessee have
00:38:34.800
been very supportive. It's kind of odd. You know, you're talking about a shutdown. And our calls have
00:38:41.480
been incredibly favorable towards what we're trying to do. And they understand what we're up
00:38:48.280
against. And today, of course, our friend Matt Gates put together a pretty good idea. He's got
00:38:57.460
an incredible mind. And he put together a plan. And we were up there in the whip's office, of course,
00:39:05.000
the very moment, you know, we thought we were able to get a bill to the floor or get something going
00:39:11.860
and not send everybody home. And of course, they'd already sent a notice out that said there'll be no
00:39:17.060
more votes, which is basically the signal to go home. And, you know, several people are already
00:39:21.860
home. People are at the airport. And I mean, of course, the swamp creatures, they'll all be here,
00:39:28.920
both parties, because they live up here. They never go home to their district except for a photo op
00:39:33.740
or get a check or something. So, you know, and Matt's plan is pretty simple. You know, we're just
00:39:42.240
going to item, they have to be, the topic has to be very, the vote has to be very centric to that
00:39:51.720
issue. And instead of these huge CRs, continued resolutions, which is what they will always pass,
00:39:59.900
they'll pass a continued resolution, then they'll pass another one, they do a 30-day. And, you know,
00:40:05.080
and the argument they made was, we need to pass these continued resolutions so we don't pass any
00:40:10.440
more continued resolutions. And of course, the point I made was, you know, you don't give a
00:40:15.660
heroin addict more heroin to get him off of heroin. You know, hell, you quit giving him heroin. That's
00:40:22.120
what you do. And you quit doing these continued resolutions. And that's what we forced to,
00:40:27.380
we forced some sanity, I think, into this situation and let the Senate do what the Senate does. But
00:40:40.620
Now, and to go back to it, because as we come in, Schumer's talking about he's going to do a CR,
00:40:46.480
you've got a discharge petition, maybe the Democrats, some of the guys in New York may be working on that,
00:40:52.900
who knows, all these other gimmicks. But you guys are very straightforward. You agreed to do these
00:40:58.700
individual appropriations bills so that you could get the woken weaponized out, get the cuts there.
00:41:03.960
And that was going to take time. Leadership decided for whatever reason to jam you guys up. But today,
00:41:09.560
just for the audience, you undid that. We're back to actually getting serious with this and getting
00:41:15.340
into these appropriations bills, correct? That is correct. You know, yesterday, during the meeting,
00:41:22.140
Matt told me that the chair, the chairwoman of appropriations during our supposed mandatory two
00:41:28.500
and a half berating meeting, she went to a fundraiser with a bunch of lobbyists. You know, this is,
00:41:36.680
and that just tells you how broke this system is, and how broke our leadership in both parties is.
00:41:45.340
Do you think you've sent a message today to leadership, no more gimmicks, that you guys
00:41:52.000
are prepared to come together and actually unify and have a very thoughtful process here and also
00:41:59.880
a discussion with the American people about what the real state of the nation's economics and
00:42:05.520
finances are? I think we did, but I don't know what they're going to do with it, Mr. Bannon,
00:42:10.560
to be honest with you, because, you know, I study, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer,
00:42:17.720
obviously, but I study leadership and I study, I study dictators, I study mobsters, I study,
00:42:23.880
I've studied Jimmy Hoffa extensively and their styles of leadership. And successful leaders,
00:42:30.900
time and time again, they put out a point or an issue, and then they, they do their homework ahead
00:42:38.480
of time, first of all. And then they put this issue out and people rally around it. We don't
00:42:44.840
have that right now. We have folks saying, I'll jump on board if we got enough votes to pass it.
00:42:51.100
Well, that's not leadership. That's, that's the tail wagging the dog. That is not good. That is a bad,
00:42:57.520
that sends a bad message because we could really get jammed up on something and get real emotional and,
00:43:03.920
and, and, and blow the whole deal. So we need to, we need to analyze this and make sure we never do
00:43:11.800
this again. And I don't know what we do to stop us from it because people in charge, I mean, you know,
00:43:18.660
they're, they're sending us home and Americans, you know, people back in Tennessee, you know,
00:43:24.280
people in Tennessee, they work pretty hard, brother. And they, you know, you, you tell them we're,
00:43:29.500
we're going to go into work at 10 o'clock to do some votes. We're going to go have a closed door
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meeting for lunch, you know, and we're going to cater in pizzas. We're going to take two hours off
00:43:41.140
from that and then go maybe vote later in the afternoon. That's not work. To me, that is,
00:43:46.920
that is an arrogance beyond belief. And we've got to get past that up here. And it's just,
00:43:53.340
I know it's, I know it's culture. Can you just hang over a second? We're taking a short commercial
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...out for you and other members in a meeting tonight, a plan that would keep the government
00:45:58.720
open for 30 days and would do that at levels of $1.47 trillion of spending. It also adds a
00:46:07.460
commission to address the debt and border security in that package. My question to you is, are you on
00:46:13.620
board with this plan? No, ma'am, I'm not currently. The package as you described, I mean, we take in
00:46:22.040
around $5 trillion a year and conservative estimates say we're probably going to spend $7 trillion a year.
00:46:28.120
We just passed $33 trillion in debt and these commissions, they don't have any legislative ability
00:46:37.360
and if we give them that, are we violating the Constitution by giving somebody authority over
00:46:42.620
ourselves? We've had these... This was last night and I want to thank Abby Phillips for
00:46:49.080
having Matt Gaetz on, followed two nights later by Tim Burchard, but that was really the shot
00:46:55.800
across the bow, Congressman, that kind of got the momentum shifted back to when people heard you
00:47:01.860
saying, hey, this is not going to happen, not going to happen on my watch and I've got a number of
00:47:05.320
people that lined up with me. I think it started to dawn on folks that the CR was DOA. Walker,
00:47:11.360
so you're a student of leadership. Can we go forward in particular, are we just wasting time
00:47:18.020
until there's a leadership change or do you men and women from Sparks to Ogles to Burchard to Gates,
00:47:26.280
Anna Plain Luna is out tweeting right now, all of them, the great Eli Crane, all you folks,
00:47:30.800
do you think it's enough for that group to come together and try to start to get some logic back in
00:47:35.060
this and have this conversation or do we need to deal with this leadership situation right now,
00:47:39.920
sir? Well, I think in a vacuum, something's going to fill it and I think as long as the conservative
00:47:47.980
few of us keep filling it with this information, that people will turn this away. I think people
00:47:56.520
will start getting messages from home. It's kind of like the UFO issue. Nobody, everybody was making
00:48:02.300
fun of me until they got three phone calls from home from their contributors. So I'd submit to you
00:48:07.720
that we, I feel like the American public knows we need a change, whether that's in a person or just
00:48:15.760
their attitude towards what's going on in our country. Because right now, Mr. Bannon, the vacuum is
00:48:23.480
there. You know, you can't just, and I should have corrected the lady on CNN last night, but I did
00:48:30.160
and I was trying to be nice. But that was a plan that, you know, Chip Roy, that they were talking
00:48:36.140
about, that she was talking about, something Chip Roy and some others had put together and I don't know.
00:48:40.480
It's, um, it, it was sort of convoluted as far as I can see. And, um, and, and the way our leadership
00:48:48.600
seems to operate is they wait until they see a majority of people and then they break in that
00:48:54.660
direction. And then they, they, is that, you know, the, the trains left the station and they get on,
00:49:00.100
get in front of it and ride it over the finish line and then do the press conference and talk about
00:49:05.500
how successful they are. And we just can't continue in that direction that, you know, Pelosi,
00:49:10.680
if you studied her model, she always won, almost always won. And yet if, and, and people feared her
00:49:20.540
and it was the carrot and the stick with her, either get the carrot or you got the dadgum stick
00:49:26.020
and she would, she would put an issue out and people would rally around it, but she did her research
00:49:31.960
beforehand. I've talked to Democrats, try to figure out her, her, her modus operandi, if you will,
00:49:38.620
MO. And, um, and that was what it was. She did her research. She knew what the bulk of her people
00:49:45.780
thought, and then she would put it out there. And then the people would come to her and say,
00:49:50.860
Hey, I'm for this. I'm against this. And she'd say, well, if you're against it, what can I do to
00:49:54.560
get it there? And it wasn't just a surprise. And that's, that's why we get these embarrassments.
00:49:59.700
That's why we send people home. People have already flown home and now they're going to fly
00:50:04.660
back to that tomorrow morning. You know, quit with that stuff, you know, get a clear directive,
00:50:11.960
say what we're going to do, have a schedule, talk to people, build a consensus and pass the
00:50:18.480
legislation if need be. And clearly right now, it's just the tail wagging the dog. You've got all
00:50:25.260
these different groups and, you know, they're going to say, oh, at the end, when we get it worked out,
00:50:29.520
which we will eventually, there, people will talk about it and say, oh, the compromise. That's
00:50:34.000
what worked. That's what worked. Well, no, it didn't. What worked was a group of brave people
00:50:39.500
got, put something forward and people rallied around it. And then they, and the others said,
00:50:45.680
you know, I don't want to be on the losing end of this deal. This is, this makes perfectly good
00:50:49.500
sense. Let's go with this. And that's, that's how you, you, you pass legislation, not what we're doing
00:50:55.100
now, because it's embarrassing. You know, they go to the floor and they, they'll today on the,
00:51:01.760
on the defense authorization, the, the, the bill to allow us to vote on it. They didn't have the votes
00:51:08.320
again, second time. I mean, that's crazy, Mr. Bannon. That's crazy. They didn't. And a reporter
00:51:15.080
asked me, why didn't you have the votes? I said, well, obviously somebody can't count because they,
00:51:19.980
and then you hear the, the folks who are supposed to be in charge of that and the leadership say,
00:51:24.580
well, we just assumed that since they voted for it the last time, they vote for it this time. And
00:51:30.940
that's, it's Congress. I mean, this is, this is a pretty tight deal here. We're, we're, we're running
00:51:37.720
a country, something that should be very, very important. And, and so I just feel like it's,
00:51:45.560
you know, they're enjoying the parties. They're enjoying the limelight. They enjoy, you know,
00:51:51.500
being treated at state dinners and things, and they need to get back with running the
00:51:56.720
dadgum country because I don't give a rip about any of those.
00:52:02.660
Congresswoman, we, we, we know that given your, your time you spend here, your big
00:52:07.200
favorite of this audience, how do people follow you? Because this is getting intense. It's only
00:52:11.860
going to get more intense. Yes, sir. Well, I've been hitting it pretty heavy on my at Tim
00:52:16.860
Burchett X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it. And, um, it's just at T I M B U R C H E T T.
00:52:23.760
And that's, and it, and that's, um, I appreciate anybody following me and, and doing whatever. I
00:52:31.180
think that might've been a fake one. I'm not sure what that was. I don't know. That only had two
00:52:36.760
followers. I'm up to 95,000. I'm not up to Matt Gates territory, but I think I got 95,000. So,
00:52:44.360
but anyway, at Tim Burchett on Twitter, we'll make sure we follow you on the appropriate,
00:52:50.120
on the official one. Uh, and because it does come in a little spicy Congressman,
00:52:53.640
thank you very much. Honored to have you on here. Thank you, brother. Keep putting the truth out
00:52:58.400
there, Mr. Bannon. Dadgum people follow you all over this country and this world. And if people like
00:53:03.080
you are putting the truth out there, the vacuum is there in the, in the, in the Marxists will win.
00:53:09.420
We're going to lose our dadgum country. We're not careful.
00:53:13.700
Well, I got to tell you, we got a lot of fighting this audience that does it, uh,
00:53:17.200
Congressman. And that's what has your back has a folks in Tennessee Tuesday back. Thank you.
00:53:25.420
A historic day, a lot more fight to go. Not going to get lulled to sleep. Got another hour.
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