Episode 3050： RINO's Continue To Underestimate The American People
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In this episode, Rep. Adam Kinzler (R-Illinois) and Rep. Steve Cohen (D-New York) join CNN's John Berman (D) to discuss the ongoing stalemate in Congress over funding the government, and whether or not Speaker Kevin McCarthy should resign.
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come to a head here. If Speaker McCarthy puts a continuing resolution on the floor to keep the
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government open for 30 days, is that enough in your mind to force a vote to kick him out of his
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job? I agree with many of my colleagues who say that if Speaker McCarthy embraces
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a clean continuing resolution to continue the spending policies of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden,
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that would most likely trigger a motion to vacate. Remember, I gave a speech last week detailing
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multiple areas where Kevin McCarthy has breached his agreement with House conservatives. There was
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a big thrust of that. There was the spending commitments, but also a vote on term limits,
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a vote on a balanced budget amendment, release of the January 6th tapes. These are things Kevin
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McCarthy promised. He hasn't done those things. We're here to hold them to account. And there are
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meetings happening. I just left a meeting with Congressman Biggs about the finer points
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of our Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill. We have a rule being
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drafted right now so that we can pass appropriations bills for our military, Department of Homeland
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Security, for our agriculture priorities, and also the Department of State and Foreign Ops. So those
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bills will have a good amalgamation of policy and spending cuts, and I think it'll put our country on
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better fiscal footing. Do you have enough support to actually take away McCarthy's gavel?
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Well, it depends on the Democrats. I saw in an interview this morning that Democrat whip Catherine
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Clark said that if Democrats were to bail out Speaker McCarthy, they would require concessions. And
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that should trouble a lot of Republicans, because if we have a Republican speaker who is working for
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the Democrats because they're the ones who bailed him out, then I doubt we'll be able to make much
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progress for the voters who elected us. But I'm asking, actually, what I'm really asking is,
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what's the plan B? If not McCarthy, then who? You? No, I don't want to be Speaker, but I do know we
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have a very talented group of members. It's a little uncomfortable to discuss right now, because our
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number two, who would be naturally someone we would look to, is right now getting treatment for blood
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cancer and is not with us. We hope he has a full, fast recovery and would be right back into our
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leadership structure. Our number three is Tom Emmer. He's our whip. He's got a lot of credibility
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across different sections of the conference. But getting rid of McCarthy, if he has failed us for
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eight months, if he has delayed the appropriations process, as even his allies conceded earlier this
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evening in the Rules Committee, then getting rid of him is sort of an end unto itself, because it shows
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that we've got the ability to pivot, make a better choice, and go forward and actually deliver.
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But how is getting rid of McCarthy an end unto itself? If you get rid of him, but you can't
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elect a replacement who will do what you want them to do, that seems to kind of defeat the purpose.
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Do you have the votes, do you think, to elect someone who, in your view, would be better than
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McCarthy? Oh, sure. I think that if we were back in a speaker contest, there are any number of people
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who would be able to assemble a coalition. There weren't the last time around.
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There weren't the last time around. Right, but we've had eight months of experiences that inform
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how we think about these things now. Eight months ago, Kevin McCarthy hadn't broken the series of
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promises that he only made at that time. Eight months ago, Kevin McCarthy hadn't stalled the
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appropriations process. I mean, a Democrat from Colorado, Joe Neguse, made excellent points today
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haranguing some of the Republicans in the Rules Committee, saying, well, gosh, if the border is
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such a priority, and if the Appropriations Committee had a border funding bill in the summer,
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why did more than 100 days pass before Kevin McCarthy put that legislation on the floor?
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We don't really have good answers to those questions, other than the fact that it's always
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the parlance in Washington to just wait until the very end and then jam all these bills together
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and get one up or down vote on funding the entire government. That is the way we have run since
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the mid-90s, and I'm trying to break the fever and liberate us from those up or down votes and get
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to single-subject spending bills. It's an idea even folks on the left support because it leads to more
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transparent, honest, and open government. So, Congressman, a number of your Republican colleagues,
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they say that they're at a loss for understanding your strategy. Listen to what they had to say.
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What are you asking for? You know, we need to pass appropriations bills, not a CR. Okay,
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we're trying to pass appropriations bill. You won't let us do that. So, stop voting with Democrats.
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I think everybody's just confused because there's not rational explanations on the opposition.
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At the end of the day, any final bill is going to be bipartisan. And if somebody doesn't realize
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I understand what you're saying, that you want to take this bill by bill. But the question is,
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how will you do that in the next seven days in a bipartisan way that will end up with something that
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is the law of the land? There's no doubt that we are behind in the House of Representatives because
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we are poorly led. But to my friend and colleague, Dan Crenshaw, he probably should have watched your
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program 10 days ago when I laid out exactly what we want, a vote on term limits, a vote on a balanced
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budget amendment, and then single subject spending bills. Now, we've been dilatory and delayed in
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that. And it was frustrating to me, Abby, that yesterday at three o'clock on a Thursday, Kevin
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McCarthy sent everybody home as if we're operating in the French work week. We should be starting at
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seven in the morning, finishing at midnight and getting our work done. There are members from across
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the Congress and across the Republican conference who are here doing that. But we are doing that in
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spite of our poor leadership, certainly not because of it. And, you know, to my to my friends and
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colleagues, I would say pretty simple. We want to vote individually on these appropriations bills
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and we will not tolerate them being lumped together. I think a lot of Americans would agree that
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they'd like to see folks working through the weekend to resolve this before there's a government
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shutdown. But I wonder, I mean, don't you think it is reasonable for members? I mean, you heard Mike
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Lawler there talking about a bipartisan fashion. Don't you think it is reasonable for them to work
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on the other side of the aisle if it means avoiding a shutdown that can actually hurt Americans, including
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thousands of your constituents? No doubt. And Mike Lawler's right. The final solution in divided
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government always has to be bipartisan. But the question is, what platform and what paradigm do we use
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to engage that negotiation? I believe that we should negotiate each agency of government and each
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appropriation bill separately so that we get to a programmatic level of analysis. What I disagree with is
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the notion that we should start with the premise that we just fund everything the way it's been going the
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prior year, whether it's worked or not, whether it's exceeded, it's expended, it's expected distributions of
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funds or not. You see, that just leads to more of the same. It's actually precisely the reason that we are
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$33 trillion in debt facing $2 trillion annual deficits. We cannot go on as a country that's spending $7 trillion
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and bringing in $5 trillion. So I hope we can get bipartisan agreement to reduce spending.
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Look, I understand what you're saying about the spending. This potential discharge position. And
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just to kind of petition, I should say, and just to put that into plain English, it's basically a tool
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that allows lawmakers to force a vote on legislation, even if the speaker doesn't want to bring it up for
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a vote. Would you support that effort? I would if it's the problem solvers bill that we have support.
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We have 64 members of the problem solvers, half Republican, half Democrat. And we agreed on a
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framework. That framework is a CR until January 11th. I'll give us time to get appropriations bills done.
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We'll also do disaster relief because we're out of money because of Hawaii and Florida. We would do Ukraine,
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which I support. I'm a Reagan Republican. We stand up to bullies. We help out those who are being invaded
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like Ukraine has been. But we'd also have a very stringent border security provision in this.
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And this gets Republicans on board and Democrats on board. But with the other parts of the of these
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of this framework, we have draft legislation right now. We're just trying to fine tune it.
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And but in the end, if we could get legislation that looks like that, I'm going to support it.
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And I believe we'll have good Republican and Democrat support.
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OK, it's Saturday, 23 September in the year of our Lord, 2023. You're here for our favorite show of the
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week, the Saturday morning show where we catch up, work through everything that's gone on and plan for
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the week ahead. Of course, in Washington, D.C., there are a handful of people that are currently working
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because of you, the war room posse. We have a lot of work today. I want to juxtapose at the beginning
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what Matt Gaetz and the six and the 20 and these patriots that at the beginning of January fought
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for a process. And now you're seeing it go through. And here's the shocking thing is that it's been so
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long since we've done this. And McCarthy and, of course, the unit party have fought and fought and
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fought not to get not to have this process. This is why they delayed the appropriations.
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They lied to everybody at the beginning. And quite frankly, they sucked in Tom Massey and others
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that believed they were going to do regular order on the appropriations.
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Why this is important. And you see right there, Abby Phillips of CNN and, of course,
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the New York Times, Washington Post. They're so into supporting the unit party and the oligarchs on
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Wall Street, they don't even quite frankly comprehend what Gaetz and his team are doing. These are
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individual appropriations. But listen, you can't make that gap between the five trillion dollars
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in cash that comes in from all sources and the seven trillion that goes out, particularly when
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you have discretionary spending, I don't know, of what, a trillion and a half dollars, a couple
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trillion dollars. You can't make those cuts in discretionary unless you go through an appropriations
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process and identify programmatically. These aren't going to be the horizontal cuts. Oh,
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let's cut two percent. No. The way to get our arms around this in a beginning process
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to break the fever, as Matt Gaetz says, which I think is a brilliant phrase, is to go through
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this appropriations process with amendments, fight it and fight it out, fight it out. And then
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that exposes people that are still prepared to let the cartel run the nation's capital. Now,
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quite frankly, if they had started what they were promised, and this has been done in April, May,
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June, July, we wouldn't be here. The clock's ticking, as we've said, and you know, on the show to
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midnight on the 30th. And right now it looks like the maximum are going to be, I don't know, four bills
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in next week. As we talked to Eli Crane and others yesterday on the show, it would take two or three
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weeks to do this in a rushed fashion, but in at least some sort of appropriate fashion. And that
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would be a couple of weeks into, quote unquote, this, oh my God, a government shutdown. Now, the last
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voice I played, I think is one of the dumbest loudmouths in Congress. You always see this guy
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quoted wrong on every policy, the anti-MAGA General Don Bacon of Nebraska. And we're going to have a
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special thing for General Bacon today to make sure the war room posse calls him and lets him know he's
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always on MSNBC. He's always running around, running his mouth. You know, a super, oh, I'm a Reagan,
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you know, President Reagan would no more be putting money into the charnel house of Ukraine than flying.
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He was quite strategic about where to put money. So you saw a bacon in these problem solvers,
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which were really not problem solvers at all. And if you look, I'll get Grace to put up the list in
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the next block of who the problem solvers caucus is. They want a CR. They want a CR. Working with
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Democrats, they want a CR that goes into January, goes into January, takes all the time pressure off
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and tease up omnibus. OK, they want full Ukraine funding. And I mean, not just the 300 million
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that people got of the defense budget because they shut the defense budget down over the Ukraine
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300 million. It's to approve the twenty four billion dollar giveaway to Zelensky and the oligarchs,
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not even Poland or Germany or any nation in Europe supports this. This is the insanity.
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How can you sit there and say we're going to get serious about cutting this budget and stopping the
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debt enslavement of our children when some clown's sitting there going, oh, yeah, we really got to
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get Ukraine. And then the border security. This is just a trinket. You think the Democrats and the
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problem solvers caucus are going to are going to sign up for everything on the board that's real
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security. We have enough laws in the book. Look, H.R. 2 has got some lovely stuff in it.
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Of course, they take out even in the proposal by Byron Donalds, they take out E-Verify,
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which is the magnet to get some here. People want a better economic life to come for the jobs.
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Unfortunately, that's not what our asylum systems set up to do. That is get in line
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and wait 20 years to get in here as a as a legitimate, you know, foreign national.
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This is all going to come down to a massive fight this week. And what we're here to do today is kind
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of break it all down to you so you understand it. I've got, by the way, we're going to go to break
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here in a second. I'm going to bring in we've got Congressman Lauren Boebert. He's going to walk
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through. Remember, she was one of the heroes of the beginning of the year. She put it all on the
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line. She put it all on the line to fight and make sure that we got these tools. Now that now that the
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the the the uniparty leadership of Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell game the system so that you
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couldn't get to a real appropriations process. Now they're sitting there screaming, oh, my gosh,
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it's going to, you know, the end of the world's coming at midnight on the on the 30th. That's
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just not true. It's just incorrect. And you're going to see clowns like Don Bacon and others,
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right? Others. You had Crenshaw. You got all these guys, the problem solvers. They're going to work
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with Democrats and they're going to hold up this phony discharge petition. Right. As I said,
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and I put it out the other day, Lawler and these guys, you do the discharge position. You've just signed
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your political obituary. OK, so we dare you to do a discharge position when that's off the table.
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Okay, a lot going on. You've been manning the ramparts all week and we need you to man the ramparts
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this weekend because there is a massive fight going on in your nation's capital.
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Everybody is engaged and using your agency. We told you we would put you in the room. President
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Trump put you in the room at the head of the table. Then they stole the election from him.
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You're back in the room and you're at the head of the table again. You've got the leverage.
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Why is that? Because of people like Lauren Boebert and other heroes in early January. Congressman
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Boebert, thank you. Remember, you were called and all the other folks that fought for this. You
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guys were called every name in the book on Fox. Agents of chaos. The whole country is going
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to melt down. You laid out a process in these appropriations that McCarthy and his team just
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absolutely didn't want to do. They wanted to create a crisis, come back here, have a CR,
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have an omnibus in the dead of the night, not let the American people see it. This appropriations
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process opens it up. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. You're still in Washington. You're working
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through the weekend, correct, ma'am? That is correct, Steve. And we were called
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domestic terrorists by members of our own party simply by wanting reforms in Congress. No one likes
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the way Congress operates. And so my colleagues and I took a stand, a 15-round stand, to make
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fundamental historic changes to the way this place operates. And right now, we are at the breaking point
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on one of those promises that we said needed to be kept. And that was 12 individual single subject
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appropriations bills to fund the federal government. We even had the chairman of the rules committee,
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Tom Cole, who is in no sense of the mean of the term, a Freedom Caucus member. But even he said,
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this is our most important job as members of Congress to get through the appropriations process.
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And he talked about the good old days back before 1997, when Congress actually used to pass 12
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individual appropriations bills. And there used to be open rules on these appropriation bills. And
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there would be hundreds of amendments on these appropriation bills. And he said what a great time
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it was to have everyone engaged on the House floor voting for days and days and days at a time,
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and not worried about getting home to the next fundraiser. So when you have Congressman Tom Cole
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agreeing with our position and saying, this is how we ought to fund the federal government,
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I think we're on to something, Steve. And while some members of Congress, most members of Congress,
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have returned to their home districts this weekend, dedicated public servants like Eli Crane,
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Matt Gaetz, Andy Ogles, Andy Biggs, Matt Rosendale, Victoria Sparks, we're all here in Washington,
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D.C. fighting to ensure that we have a plan moving forward. And we do not come up against this critical
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moment of a continuing resolution. I do not want to continue to move forward in the way that we have
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been going. I do not want to continue with Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi's policies or their budget,
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their bloated budget. I want a, I want programmatic reforms. And the only way we get that is through
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these single subject appropriation bills. Let's, I want to make sure the war room posse understands
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this. And we talk programmatically and you want programmatic reform, this appropriation process,
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because a lot of people come and said, well, you take a penny off, you cut 1% or you cut 5%
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I think Byron Donald's, the CR before it blew up was 8% for 30 days. Matt Gaetz has said that those
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horizontal things are just kind of wishful thinking. You've got to get in programmatically.
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Can you walk the audience through in the appropriations process? What do you mean by
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programmatically getting your hands in there and actually taking apart this budget and the
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appropriations bill and taking actual programs out, ma'am? Yes. So Steve and to the posse out there
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since 1997, it's been a straight up and down vote to fund the federal government as a whole in one
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piece of legislation, whether that be a continuing resolution to just move forward with the way things
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have been in place or with an omnibus bill. And right now we are saying we want to get into each
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individual appropriations, whether it's the, the, um, the department of, um, uh, of, uh, homeland
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security or, uh, DOD or the ag bill. There are so many, uh, bills that we need to get into the details
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and defund the weakening, the woken, the weaponization, all of these programs that do not
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add value or strength to our country, or they have wasteful spending. That's what we want to get in
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there and actually cut. And so you mentioned the CR that was floating around for about a week and a
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half or so that is, uh, dead on arrival. That is not something that is going to pass with Republican
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support. Maybe the Democrats join, uh, in this discharge petition to actually move that CR. Uh,
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but as you said, that's their political death warrant. Uh, we will certainly champion against,
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uh, any of those who force something like that to the house floor. And we want to go in and actually
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cut this. So in that CR you hear about 8%, but that's too discretionary. That's not non-discretionary.
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So when you add in non-discretionary like DOD, well, you're sitting at a less than 1% cut. So 8%
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sounds wonderful, but really it's less than a 1% cut for 30 days. And so it's just window dressing.
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And we want to get in there and actually force actual change. We have tremendous cuts in the actual
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individual appropriations bills. And if we force those to the Senate without a CR, without the
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option of a CR, then the Senate has to pay attention to what we send them. If we send them
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both, if we send them 12 individual appropriations bills, board appropriations bills, whatever the
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number may be, they can ignore those and say, nope, we're going to look at this CR. And that's what
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they're going to put their teeth into. And that's what they're going to focus on. And then that's what
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the American people are stuck with. So we want to only send these individual single subject bills
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to the Senate. So that's their only option to move forward. And then that will promote them to
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actually act quicker and we can avoid a long-term shutdown. It is very well possible that we will
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see a one week, 10 day, 12 day, maybe even 15 day, hopefully not shutdown of the federal government
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to get this right. But also we need to take into account the pay periods. That doesn't mean that
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on October 1st, our border patrol agents are not paid, that our service members are not paid.
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They're getting paid on September 28th. So we have a couple of weeks that gives us time to actually
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figure this out and move forward and get that funding. So there isn't a hiccup in that pay period.
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In that regard, that's a very logical program. Is it helpful? Don Bacon and these quote unquote
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problem solvers, which to me are always problem initiators, this thing of asking, if you get a
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CR to January 11th, you have just opened the floodgates to more madness. You're going to get,
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what you're going to end up with was an omnibus, no fighting on this. Are some of the problem solvers
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there actually helping you guys through the weekend to get to the bottom of these appropriations bills?
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Are they running around with Democrats to throw up another alternative that people will spin wheels
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for a couple of days reviewing? Steve, that's the beauty of this plan. I haven't heard the quote
00:24:18.220
directly myself, but it's been reported to me that the speaker says he wants no part of what we're
00:24:24.140
doing. This burn it down plan is what he thinks that we are committed to moving forward with.
00:24:29.940
Really, we're trying to provide levity to the system rather than gravity and the status quo.
00:24:36.200
And we are wanting a path forward, a righteous path forward. And we have to break this bipartisan
00:24:43.080
muscle memory of the swamp where we just do things as we've always done them. The people who have been
00:24:50.540
here five, 10, 15 years, most of them are part of the problem. And part of why we are at $33 trillion
00:24:57.280
in debt. Within the next year, we'll be facing $35 trillion in debt if we have a continuing
00:25:03.440
resolution that goes into January 11th. But as I started this, the beauty of it is we do have
00:25:09.900
moderate Republicans who are here working with us on a path forward. Steve, to be completely blunt with
00:25:18.140
you, we were working on this process. And we were all sitting together in a closed room meeting,
00:25:25.740
a closed door meeting, when the notice went out for members to go home. They were directed by the
00:25:33.660
Speaker of the House that they were free to go home at 3 p.m. on a Thursday while we were actually
00:25:38.700
working on a plan to have votes started as soon as today, Saturday. We could have been voting on the
00:25:45.480
DOD bill, on the Homeland Security bill, on this Ag bill. We could have been working on those
00:25:50.780
amendments starting today. And instead, members were told, go home. That is completely irresponsible,
00:25:59.100
in my opinion. That is why I am still here in Washington, D.C., alongside my conservative
00:26:04.760
colleagues and moderates who have stuck around, who do not want a shutdown, who understand that a CR
00:26:11.660
is DOA. And they want a path forward. And they're working with us on that. And I'm very happy to see
00:26:18.240
this coalition being formed. Are you, I just want to make sure I understand it. Are you implying that
00:26:25.220
McCarthy understood, understood that actually self-organizing and coming together with moderates
00:26:30.920
and others who say, hey, the spending, we got to deal with the spending, that they purposely put out
00:26:37.200
to go home to try to break the momentum that you people were going to have over the weekend so that
00:26:41.540
we maybe actually make the 30th of September, outside chance, but you still work nonstop and
00:26:48.500
have these voter-ramas in the making? You think that was done on purpose? I mean, Steve, that's kind
00:26:53.260
of what it looks like. When we are texting leadership saying, do not send members home, we are at the
00:26:59.080
table negotiating this. We are making great headway. Everyone is in agreement. And there's no ceasefire.
00:27:05.620
There's no cease and desist. Members stay here. Hold on. Changed our mind. We have a plan. Nope.
00:27:12.040
Get on your plane. Go home. Go to your fundraisers, whatever it may be. And so it seemed somewhat
00:27:19.500
intentional to further back us up to this deadline so there will be a crisis to force us into a CR
00:27:26.900
because that is that bipartisan muscle memory of Washington, D.C. We have to go right up into the
00:27:34.060
deadline. And then we have to do something or else because, God forbid, we have bad messaging come
00:27:39.300
our way. Steve, I got bad messaging coming my way every day of my life. That doesn't stop me. I sleep
00:27:44.740
well at night. I have a job to do. I have voters who trust me to be their voice, to represent them.
00:27:51.100
And that's what I'm here doing. I could have gone to fundraisers. I had events in my district this
00:27:55.800
weekend that I could have gone and been with four or five hundred people that I represent. But rather than
00:28:01.160
that, I'm going to represent the some 750,000 member voters in my district right here in
00:28:08.380
Washington, D.C. And together, my colleagues and I, we are committed to funding the government,
00:28:13.760
delivering on the promises that we made to the American people back in January and disrupting
00:28:19.240
the status quo. Congressman, just hang on one second. We'll take a short break.
00:28:24.160
Short break. I got a couple of questions on the other side.
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Congressman Boebert of Colorado says this is a righteous cause. I want to make sure everybody in
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00:30:18.100
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That's why I go to birchgold.com. Remember now for over two years, I think it is, we've been
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writing this series called The End of the Dollar Empire about the state of the finances of our
00:30:57.760
country. It's really a course in kind of macroeconomics. We've got a new installment that will blow your
00:31:04.520
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financial advisors in the Federal Reserve took the dollar, the Federal Reserve note, off of
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convertibility into gold over a three-day weekend. It's probably in the top one or two most important
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decisions ever made in American economic history. And the fourth installment out, you can read all
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about that and understand how that drives the discussion we're having here today. Remember,
00:31:38.360
we just didn't end up as a country with $33 trillion in debt. And more importantly, and this is what
00:31:43.860
Boebert and Gates, these people are fighting through this weekend. And this is why this is not simply a
00:31:50.520
teachable moment for the American people. This is a defining moment in the country's finances. Why is that?
00:31:56.060
To get it down just a very simple, there's about $5 trillion of cash that comes in, and there's $7
00:32:02.780
trillion between defense, discretionary, and the obligations we have with Social Security and
00:32:09.940
Medicare and Medicaid that goes out. That has to be addressed. We told you, remember, McCarthy cut the
00:32:18.120
budget deal for two years because he never wanted to be reviewed. We didn't love the one-year deal.
00:32:23.440
We supported it at the end, but we didn't love it. Had a $3.5 deficit, and it had all kinds of
00:32:29.760
other things we didn't like, but it was for one year. So it would be back in the spring. Remember,
00:32:33.640
the donors told McCarthy, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you have it one year, this will clearly blow
00:32:39.160
through the trillion dollars or $3.5. And then you're going to have the populace over at the war
00:32:44.160
room and Bannon and Navarro and all these people with their hair on fire and saying that we've got to
00:32:49.280
look at alternatives. And one of the alternatives is going to have to be, because if you don't cut,
00:32:53.600
you've got to cut spending, you've got to do a program, you've got to do that, eventually you're
00:32:56.880
going to have to talk about tax increases for the wealthy. Boom. They said, no, I know this from
00:33:01.380
inside the room, so you can't do that. We don't want that as the railhead of the 2024 presidential
00:33:06.240
campaign. We don't want that in the equation. So he gave him two years. And we said at the time,
00:33:10.300
the day the deal was cut, they said that this fiscal year will be at least a $2 trillion
00:33:14.740
deficit. And worse, and worse because of the drop in the revenue side, $300 billion in drop
00:33:23.380
revenue, principally a lot of it from capital gains because there's not that many transactions
00:33:28.260
as there used to be because the higher interest rates, that this is now structural. This deficit
00:33:34.760
is going to be in perpetuity. They play all the games, oh, we're showing a budget. It's all
00:33:39.440
nonsense. Let's look at cash in and cash out. It's a lie. And that's what Gates and Boebert and
00:33:47.200
others, they're doing this weekend is so historic. It hasn't been done in 30 years. This is one of the
00:33:51.520
reasons we got in this situation. This is one of the reasons that the Republican Party that you see
00:33:56.360
personified by these weak leaders, you see in front of the microphone at the time of Mitch McConnell and
00:34:01.500
Kevin McCarthy, the cartel, as Russ Vogt calls it, just kicked the can down the road. Of course, the
00:34:06.820
Democrats, they want the 40% increase in spending that's happened post-COVID. They want that. They
00:34:12.500
want to spend more. They believe in this bizarre theory, modern monetary theory that came out of
00:34:17.200
France. As we told you at the time, I explained to you, it was a dangerous theory that deficits don't
00:34:21.620
matter. And that if it ever gets to be a problem with interest rates, then their theory is you can
00:34:26.060
just massively increase taxes and it all takes care of it. We said at the time, that's a fallacy.
00:34:30.700
It's a fallacy. And it's one of the reasons both parties bought into it. Wall Street bought into it.
00:34:35.360
And who pays for it? Look at the lead story in CNBC. I think I just put it up on Gary, the lead story
00:34:41.040
in CBC, that the CNBC is the biggest credit card defaults, you know, record credit card defaults
00:34:47.760
starting now. Over $1.1 trillion in credit card debt right now to the American people at these rates.
00:34:53.620
I think APR is at 27%. You're going into bankruptcy. The American people are going into bankruptcy.
00:34:59.300
As much as they try to sell Bidenomics, his approval rating is 36%, 35% of the economy. They've lived
00:35:04.660
experience. The lived experience of the American working class and middle class in this country
00:35:09.460
shows what a lie it is. And that's why the beginning of a solution, not the total solution,
00:35:16.020
but the beginning of the solution is actually to face this like any family would. And that's
00:35:21.020
in a very simple context. That's what's happening this weekend. And you have a handful of brave
00:35:26.280
patrons. And I might say, particularly to the Fox News that criticized these folks at the beginning,
00:35:31.480
saying, oh, this thing in January was chaos. There's going to be chaos. What they did was
00:35:35.460
heroic to put out a set, a tool, a toolbox that we could actually have rationality in our
00:35:42.020
governance. And they've been criticized and criticized and now they're agents of chaos.
00:35:45.940
That's not, it is not the end of the world to go through the 30th of September. If there
00:35:51.900
is a plan, now Congressman Boebert, Crenshaw is saying, he's saying something and repeating
00:35:58.280
it. Crenshaw and these guys, they don't know what you want. They don't know what your ask is.
00:36:04.100
They're very confused about what you and Gates and Rosendale and all these folks are asking for.
00:36:10.540
Is that, is there anything mysterious about what you're doing here? Does Crenshaw really not
00:36:15.320
understand what you're doing? It's interesting when I hear my colleagues make claims that they do not
00:36:22.400
know what our demands are, that they do not know what we want. And it actually sounds very similar
00:36:29.000
to Democrats saying, show us the evidence. There is no evidence to impeach Joe Biden. There is no
00:36:34.560
evidence that he colluded with his son in his business dealings, that Joe Biden was bribed,
00:36:40.220
that he is a compromised president. The remarks strike me as very, very similar, except they're just
00:36:47.820
coming from different sides of the aisle. And we have been very, very clear, especially here on
00:36:54.440
your show and throughout the country, as we travel and talk to millions of Americans amongst us,
00:37:03.200
amongst our group, we said that we wanted a balanced budget, that we wanted to rein in the reckless
00:37:09.580
spending in Washington, D.C. We said we wanted a vote on term limits, that we wanted a vote on a
00:37:16.380
balanced budget, that we wanted the January 6th tapes released. We've been very clear about this
00:37:21.800
starting in January and have continued these demands, reminding leadership the promises that
00:37:28.700
were made, the promises that we expect to remain and be kept. We haven't slowed down for eight months.
00:37:37.100
And now here we are with these eight individual appropriations bills that were part of our demands
00:37:42.180
in January. And it should not come as a surprise to our colleagues that we were serious about what
00:37:50.120
we meant back in January, that we did not want to continue with the status quo, that we did not want
00:37:55.420
continuing resolutions, that we were absolutely opposed to a minibus or an omnibus bill that just
00:38:02.580
demands a straight up and down vote on the entirety of the funding of the federal government.
00:38:07.960
We wanted to go in with these programmatic reforms, with the fiscal restraints, and ensure that we go
00:38:14.820
line by line in the federal budget to actually get on a path of fiscal responsibility. And Steve,
00:38:22.700
I want to back up for just a second. I love that you are encouraging the posse right now. And I love
00:38:28.300
that you are telling the posse that what they're doing is not passive. What they're doing is absolutely
00:38:34.340
important. And they are the ones who have my back, Matt Gaetz back, Andy Biggs, Corey Mills,
00:38:42.660
all of these folks. We know that they are behind us. The American people are behind us. And I think
00:38:48.040
that that's enviable to some members of Congress who don't have the support of the American people
00:38:53.540
like we do. So I just want to say thank you so much to all of those who watch your show and make
00:39:00.620
those phone calls because it does matter. If you remain silent, we lose by default. We have to
00:39:06.820
make it known that this is the position of the American people and that we are not going to let
00:39:11.900
you down. For eight months, we have made these demands. And these are the requirements that we
00:39:16.820
expect of the speaker. You've heard Matt Gaetz say that we have this toolbox now. We have empowered
00:39:23.020
Speaker McCarthy to be the best speaker in history. But we cannot simply admire our tools. We have to
00:39:30.980
actually put them to use. And that's part of what this is. It could be uncomfortable at times. I mean,
00:39:36.860
nobody likes to get nicks and dings in their hammers or break a saw blade. But in order to actually
00:39:43.540
utilize those tools, it's going to happen. So right now we are doing what my colleague from Arizona,
00:39:49.880
Eli Crane says, and we are forcing Washington, D.C. to do the right thing. Nothing happens in this town
00:39:58.000
without force. This is a forcing function right now. There's no doubt. 202-225-3121 is the switchboard.
00:40:06.280
Make sure you call and back the great the great patrons at the tip of the spear in this. And maybe
00:40:11.240
if you've got a couple of three that out there, some of these congressmen that are not pulling their
00:40:15.880
weight, let them know it too. I want to shift gears just for a second, because you sit on one
00:40:20.200
of the most important and powerful committees in all of the House, and that is the Oversight
00:40:24.720
Committee. McCarthy said on Maria Bartiroma last Sunday, and just a programming note,
00:40:30.880
Matt Gaetz will be on Maria Bartiroma, scheduled to be on Maria Bartiroma tomorrow morning. And
00:40:35.700
that'll be quite important. Make that, if you don't get it, we will clip it and put it up on our
00:40:40.180
getter account immediately. So Matt Gaetz will be on Maria Bartiroma. When
00:40:44.020
McCarthy's on Maria Bartiroma, he tried to make the case
00:40:47.620
that if you go past the 30th next Saturday, and you're still working on stuff, but you go
00:40:53.320
past, you know, this shutdown deadline, that Oversight and Judiciary are going to put their
00:41:00.140
pencils down, and it's going to slow down the impeachment process and all that. Now, I know
00:41:04.300
there's major hearings scheduled, etc. I hear that Oversight's working around the clock.
00:41:10.360
Is that a fact? If we don't meet the deadline, do Lauren Boebert, do you people put your pencils
00:41:16.060
down over at Oversight, given all the great material that you keep putting forth? Are you
00:41:20.920
going to put your pencil down? I certainly hope we don't, and we shouldn't. I think as members of
00:41:27.320
Congress who are duly elected, who represent some 750,000 constituents, that we would
00:41:34.260
be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Certainly, if we're voting on 200 amendments,
00:41:39.880
there may be a pause in committee hearings, as we're on the floor doing that aspect of our job.
00:41:45.480
But that doesn't mean that we aren't still working with staff to uncover evidence preparing for the
00:41:51.220
next hearings. I don't know why we haven't started these impeachment inquiries six months ago. Certainly,
00:41:57.140
we have uncovered much more evidence in that time, but we had enough to begin that inquiry then,
00:42:04.020
and still uncover evidence as we go. I'm ready for a straight up and down vote with all of the
00:42:10.020
evidence that we've already seen out of the Oversight Committee on an impeachment for Joe Biden. This
00:42:15.000
is a compromised president from the evidence that I have seen, from the evidence that has been provided
00:42:20.840
by investigative IRS whistleblowers. This is something that should have been a priority before
00:42:29.300
we were reaching this deadline with funding the federal government. We should have had these
00:42:34.100
appropriations bills out in June or July. So to hear an excuse of, oh, well, it's almost September 30th,
00:42:40.740
and we won't be able to do other parts of our job if we don't keep doing things the way we're doing,
00:42:45.300
doesn't make sense to me, because we should have already produced these bills to the House floor and sent them over to the Senate
00:42:53.300
months ago. Even Democrats are rightfully criticizing us and our failed leadership to get these bills to
00:43:01.300
the floor in a timely manner so the Senate can examine them. We could go to conference, hash out our differences,
00:43:06.580
and get this signed into law so we aren't on this critical deadline. And that's somewhere where I will
00:43:12.020
bipartisanly agree with my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that leadership has failed us in producing this
00:43:18.820
legislation to move forward. Nevertheless, here we are, we're working with moderate Republicans to actually get a path forward.
00:43:28.020
Hang on one second. We're just going to, I appreciate the time. We're going to hold you through the break.
00:43:32.180
We're going to stay with Congressman Boebert. We've got some questions about this situation with impeachment.
00:43:38.260
Congressman Lauren Boebert from Colorado, in the war room. Short break, back in a moment.
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Okay, welcome back. Congressman, you said you've seen enough evidence. You know, the two things you
00:45:44.640
keep hearing is that you folks that are trying to get some rationality in the nation's finances,
00:45:55.220
you know, nobody knows what you want and there's no evidence as far as bribery of Joe Biden and his
00:46:02.760
family. You said you're prepared already to not just skip the hearings and go right to a vote.
00:46:07.440
What type of evidence have you seen that leads you to go that, hey, I don't think we need the
00:46:13.500
hearings. We just need, we need, we need to lay it out in an impeachment effort in this vote up or
00:46:19.200
down. What have you seen on evidence? Yes. So I was not in the class of members that wanted to file
00:46:25.820
for impeachment on the day of inauguration of Joe Biden. I wanted to see what was behind the Biden
00:46:32.540
crime family. And in the oversight committee, we have uncovered so much of this evidence from the
00:46:38.980
FD1023s where you have Ukrainian oligarchs saying that Hunter Biden had no prior involvement in oil
00:46:50.860
and gas. He had no experience. They knew that he was stupid. They knew that he was dumb, but his dad
00:46:56.140
would take care of them. That if you have to pay one Biden $5 million, you have to pay another $5
00:47:01.160
million. The interviewer asking, is there another path other than paying this $5 million bribe? And
00:47:07.380
the Ukrainian oligarch saying that it is too late for that. We have the IRS investigative whistleblowers
00:47:14.480
that have also uncovered the same amount of evidence that we have in the oversight committee
00:47:19.160
where there were 20 shell companies, 20 LLCs throughout the Biden crime family funneling money
00:47:26.900
from foreign adversaries, up to $20 million that we have uncovered so far. You are seeing folks not
00:47:36.080
want to investigate Hunter Biden, go into his storage unit and search it, being tipped off, Hunter Biden
00:47:42.560
being tipped off that his storage unit would be raided the next day. This is part of the frustrations
00:47:47.640
that these IRS investigative whistleblowers had. And they said, enough is enough. We are all about
00:47:52.500
fairness and justice. We don't care what side of the aisle you are on. We want this process to be fair
00:47:58.800
with all of this that we are seeing. I believe that this merits a straight up and down vote. Yes or no.
00:48:06.820
Do you impeach Joe Biden? And I would absolutely vote in favor of impeaching Joe Biden. Does the Senate
00:48:13.380
confirm that? Probably not. We don't have the strongest Republicans on the Senate side to actually come
00:48:20.280
alongside and confirm that impeachment. But at least we could get that information out in a strong,
00:48:25.900
bold stance to the American people and inform them of what is going on with this so-called commander
00:48:31.880
in chief who is clearly compromised, provided the evidence that we have uncovered in the oversight
00:48:38.240
hearings. So all of this merits, in my view, a straight up and down vote. Yes or no on impeachment.
00:48:44.580
And if there are excuses about federal funding that prevents us from having this impeachment inquiry
00:48:51.820
that we were promised, then it very well may come down to a forced floor vote on impeachment.
00:48:59.820
I'm done wasting time. Steve, I have four boys at home. I have a grandson at home. I would love to spend
00:49:05.920
more time with them. I have put my life on hold to come here and provide results for the American people
00:49:13.300
to hold this administration accountable, to deliver on the promises that I made, to govern on behalf of
00:49:20.180
my constituents and millions of Americans throughout the country. I am not here for the political show,
00:49:26.640
the political theater, as Matt Gaetz calls it, the failure theater of Congress, and just make excuses
00:49:34.100
and give talking points of what's going on rather than actually doing something. That's why my colleagues
00:49:41.360
and I are here in Washington, D.C., while many members of Congress have gone home. We are here
00:49:47.640
to deliver for the American people. That is our job. Congressman Boebert, real quickly, we've got about
00:49:55.960
a minute left. Over the weekend, how much progress do you think that you folks will make in going
00:50:02.000
through these appropriations bills? Well, first of all, we should be voting today. Today should have been
00:50:07.580
the first day that we started voting on these appropriations bills that we just are working
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on the rule for. Starting yesterday, we testified in the Rules Committee on this rule to get these
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bills to the floor. But we're not, because the speaker gave direction for members of Congress to
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go home this weekend. On Thursday at 3 p.m., he said, throw it in, go home. Now, while there is
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disagreement on all sides and we are kind of stuck at a crossroads, there is a path forward to funding
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the government. The House should have not adjourned this weekend without successfully
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passing specific appropriation bills that demonstrate our commitment to reducing excessive
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federal spending. We owe it to the American people who entrusted us with the majority with their votes
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to show that Republicans can effectively govern. And this has to be an absolute priority. I believe
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that there is a path moving forward. And my favorite part of this is that it is member-driven.
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This is from the bottom up. It is not for members of leadership saying,
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you will vote this way or L. No, this is a coalition of moderate Republicans and conservative
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Republicans coming together to provide solution for government funding that is not just about
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numbers on paper, but it's about our national security and economic stability. And that's not
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something that I want anyone to forget. I just want to make one more point. The importance of the
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programmatic changes that comes with these appropriations bills is one simple fact is the
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concerning reality that there are thousands of unauthorized government programs that are being
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funded without proper oversight, congressional hearings, or even a reauthorization vote. That is
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why it is so crucial that we get into each bill individually and actually go line by line and see what these
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unauthorized programs are, where the wasteful bloated spending is, the woke and weaponized
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departments, agencies, or personnel. We have Holman rules that are coming up to defund certain members in the
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bureaucracy, those unelected bureaucrats who are destroying our country. And that is why we have to get these 12
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single-subject bills over the finish line and avoid a long-term shutdown, force the Senate to do their
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job, fund the federal government effectively. That's why I'm here in Washington, D.C., and about two dozen
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What is your social media? How do people follow you over the weekend?
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At Lauren Boebert, at Rep Boebert on Twitter, Lauren Boebert for Congress, at Congresswoman Lauren
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Boebert on Facebook, please, you know, come in there, show your support in the comments. There's certainly a lot of
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trolls right now who want to diminish what we are doing, even some of those soft Republicans who want to say, what is it that
00:53:03.140
you're doing? And it sounds a whole lot like the Democrats saying, show us the evidence. We don't see it. It's right there in
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Plain Sight. We haven't hidden any of it. Laurenforfreedom.com is where you can go to help me and other colleagues that I have.
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We are all in this together. Remember, even if you aren't in Colorado's 3rd District and you can't vote for me, I vote for you
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