00:00:00.000My colleague says we've passed the strongest border bills in history.
00:00:04.140Well, guess what? Look at the border right now.
00:00:05.900We didn't use sufficient leverage in the debt limit or in any other thing to actually get results on the border.
00:00:11.460The border is a disaster, really something I don't think you're going to be campaigning on that you fix the border.
00:00:16.580Second, you said you streamlined regulations.
00:00:19.200What the gentleman from Louisiana doesn't tell you is that all of the regulatory reform he was just bragging about is waivable by the stroke of a pen of someone in the Biden White House.
00:00:30.200Do you really think you've got anything for that? It's a total joke.
00:00:32.980And then finally, the welfare to work that the gentleman from Louisiana said we got.
00:00:37.240The welfare programs that they said that they streamlined with their welfare to work stuff, they're actually going to grow.
00:00:44.000Because while they did work requirements, they blew out those programs with expanded eligibility.
00:00:49.280I'm real glad you guys didn't put work requirements on Medicaid. It probably would have resulted in Medicaid expansion.
00:00:53.820And when it comes to how those raised money, I take no lecture on asking patriotic Americans to weigh in and contribute to this fight from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests,
00:01:07.800who own our leadership, who have, oh, boo all you want, who have hollowed out this town and have borrowed against the future of our future generations.
00:01:16.940I'll be happy to fund my political operation through the work of hardworking Americans, 10 and 20 and $30 at a time.
00:01:24.780And you all keep showing up at the lobbyist fundraisers and see how that goes for you.
00:06:32.860I'm going to need help to get through this at NancyMace.org because they're coming for me.
00:06:37.780But I would say in my district, you know, they when I express what I did and how I did it, I put a statement out last night talking about this isn't left versus right.
00:06:47.820And the next speaker that we have needs to be someone who's not going to let the American people down, who will tell the truth and be honest, even when we disagree, someone who's going to keep their word.
00:06:58.040And from South Carolina, when you look a man in the eye and you shake his hand and you keep up your end of the bargain and he violates that promise, there are consequences.
00:07:07.860Like, I just want someone who's going to be honest and tell the truth no matter what.
00:07:10.640I think you said last week down in your district, your word is your bond.
00:07:14.680And so that is what informed your decision yesterday because you hear the audible gas and the gas was even bigger on K Street because the lobbyists are – the knives are out.
00:07:24.860Yeah, the knives are out for me and the other seven that voted for this.
00:07:32.480And it was about – when I was at the Citadel and when I went through that, they teach you about duty, doing the right thing no matter who is watching.
00:07:40.320And I did my American duty to the American people.
00:08:00.060Deals that were made – and these deals were made not willy-nilly because they had a – you had thought it through of how you get your hands around budgets, how you break the cartel, how the operation.
00:08:09.460You don't do everything in the dark at night with CRs and omnibuses.
00:08:12.400You walk through a whole process and you two guys were also balanced budget, all of it.
00:08:17.840Why – answer the critics that are saying that you are – you ate, the hard ate are actually the agents of chaos and have thrown us into more chaos.
00:08:27.740Well, first I want to say the posse won and the posse was attacked last night.
00:08:32.420When Garrett Graves stood on the floor and criticized the people in this country who go to NancyMace.org or MattGates.com and donate $10 or $20, what they're trying to say is they're afraid of your collective agency.
00:08:45.980They are worried that your ability to act as a force in American politics can become more important than the big steak dinners and the lobbyist fundraisers and the favors that are traded back and forth with political action committees.
00:09:04.580But I don't quite understand why so many people characterize our movement as – and by the way, people including the New York Times reporter you have sitting in the corner in the war room right now.
00:09:16.780When they write about me, they say things like –
00:09:54.800She's been a fiscal hawk the whole time.
00:09:56.620And to get her to vote for the Limit Save Grow Bill, it was an open secret in this town that Kevin had to agree to bring her bill up for a balanced budget amendment.
00:11:00.800What's hard right about saying we should follow the law?
00:11:04.280The law requires these single subject spending bills and a budget to be passed.
00:11:08.660What's hard right about saying when you say 72 hours to read the bill, you don't get to waive that to pass a continuing resolution.
00:11:15.880What's hard right about saying something that spends more than 100 million dollars should not go on the suspension agenda where it is not subject to amendment.
00:11:23.860The things I am fighting for are good government and reasonable things.
00:11:55.780The people have a say through their representative and then they're voted on the floor, not not the CRs and the omnibuses.
00:12:00.760And we would vote different ways on some of these amendments.
00:12:03.980And there's an interesting ability with with more voting and actual legislating much for coalitions to form.
00:12:11.000Yes. And for us to work together and and it'll be OK if we take a lot of votes, if we're together on some things, debate against one another on others.
00:12:18.740And it never happens here because they delay everything, back you up against shutdown politics and then just get you to vote for a continuing resolution where the lobbyists are in charge of what's in it.
00:12:28.000In fact, what was so illustrative last week in the middle of the night where we're doing these amendments like it should be done, each single subject.
00:12:35.600I mean, you voted for the controversially, the 18 that voted for the drag queen story.
00:12:40.700There were no drag queens mentioned, but if you're gay and you're willing to take a bullet for our country, I don't care how you celebrate.
00:12:46.280And my point is you vote. You voted for your own time.
00:12:51.740The coalition comes together on different aspects.
00:12:54.180People argue. We only got a couple of minutes in this segment.
00:12:57.360People said, hey, this thing by June or July, you knew this was a problem because the subcommittees essentially finished their work and you could move forward.
00:13:06.780Two and a half months later, you return to the city and he says, you can't shut down the government because you're not going to get the impeachment process.
00:13:14.360And we got it. And you guys then forced the hand to jam it through.
00:13:17.920Could this been avoided if people had stood up back in July and said, hey, this is ridiculous.
00:13:22.940You're trying to jam us again on a CR.
00:13:24.780The fairest criticism is that we waited too long.
00:13:28.280But this is the most blunt instrument we could use.
00:13:36.900And it still weighs heavy on all of us, which is, you know, when you have people coming after you, it's important to get support, that the grassroots show their support at mattgates.com and nancymace.org.
00:13:48.540Big story, but they're coming after you particularly because they did not expect that year.
00:13:51.720So that gas was – on K Street, I heard they went absolutely nuts.
00:13:56.900Yeah, but I promised when I got elected, I was not – I didn't come here to tow the party line.
00:14:01.280I came here to do the right thing for the American people and for South Carolina.
00:14:15.700We're also going to talk about Ukraine.
00:14:16.840A lot of discussion of that is going to be quite difficult to get any funding.
00:14:21.120As you know, we're the – we're not particularly enthusiastic about having an open southern border, an evasion of this country.
00:14:27.460And we're focused on sending, what, $113 billion, another $80 billion they want to send this year to the fight over the eastern Russian-speaking border of Ukraine.
00:17:26.920In fact, the student debt situation – and we're anti-paying off for anybody's student debt, but Biden and delaying it, the first payments they had are at the new higher interest rates.
00:17:37.400I mean these people paying off the student debts and the credit cards.
00:17:39.940If you're under 40 years old, you are a Russian serf.
00:17:43.300You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything, and you're going to live as a debt slave the rest of your life.
00:17:47.660That's the fiscal crisis this country has.
00:17:50.540Why do conservative media – why do they still not get it?
00:17:53.480They're saying it's all about nothing.
00:18:21.500One of the least productive congresses we've had in recent history.
00:18:24.020And it's not arcane to follow the law, have a budget, have the spending bills.
00:18:27.360Anyway, I misspoke on the last segment, the debt ceiling bill.
00:18:30.100I did – that's when I negotiated the balanced budget amendment, not knowing you had already negotiated the same kind of deal because the debt ceiling bill was crap before that.
00:18:37.660And I negotiated and got something out of it because I said we have to change the way we do business in Washington.
00:18:43.920Does the leadership believe that this – do they understand what these interest rates mean on a 30-year mortgage?
00:19:05.160I know a lot of millennials who would love to have a family, but the debt that they are in, the interest rates that they are facing, at times the house they can't leave, the starter home that becomes the forever home because of rising interest rates.
00:19:18.520This is really impacting whether or not families are formed in our country.
00:19:22.660What could be more important than that?
00:22:55.920And they're not doing it because they're more worried about how to absorb the shock to the system than they are the actual moving forward of the agenda and the priorities of the American people in some cases.
00:23:07.320Because this started in January – it actually started before that.
00:23:09.860But let's say in January when you went, it was a set of principles.
00:23:13.980The debate galvanized in the 14 rounds, galvanized the nation to watch.
00:23:22.060Are those principles still the guiding light of what you guys are fighting for today?
00:23:27.720Is that still – as we go through the process of selecting a speaker, is it the individual that's more important or the ability to trust them on their word that they will follow the set of principles that we need to address the fiscal crisis in this country?
00:24:00.200But we're just asking folks, the leadership, to just follow the law and keep their promises.
00:24:05.040I mean it's time to stop breaking promises to the American people and that's what it's about and being responsible with how we spend our nation's money.
00:24:13.080I don't want to do – yeah, go ahead.
00:24:14.660Because we want single-subject spending bills and a budget, we are deemed the agents of chaos.
00:24:21.420Well, they said last – when I heard last night, they were working internally about a rules package that's going to be – they said they're never going to put themselves in this situation again.
00:24:29.080They will never put themselves in a situation where, according to the New York Times, the ultra-mega hard right, right?
00:24:36.040Well, I mean I've got a message for all of the establishment Republicans who think they're changing the rules.
00:24:42.280You don't have the votes no matter who the speaker is, right?
00:24:45.000So all these mods who are saying like, oh, well, we want the one-person motion to vacate to go away to vote for X, Y, or Z for speaker.
00:24:51.820The problem is they will never get to 218 on that.
00:24:55.280So let's focus – I think Nancy is right.
00:24:58.880You want a person that has a vision that can help people get elected in districts that are very purple but that also inspire the folks who are making the phone calls, making the donations, and really driving our country to a more prosperous place.
00:25:14.360Not just pick up those – but we probably left 20 on the table in 22.
00:25:50.360I guess we're seeing breaking news that Jim Jordan is about to announce a bid.
00:25:53.640Yeah, Jake Sherman I think is doing a good job over a punch bowl.
00:25:55.860He's saying Scalise is going to be a bowl challenger, but Jim Jordan is inching – his people are saying he's inching towards a speaker's bid, right?
00:26:02.700So you have two prominent – I mean Scalise would be naturally – that would be the logical order if you wanted the same apparatus to run you, that leadership team.
00:26:10.640Yeah, I think we would want to hear their vision.
00:26:12.020I'm not going to speak for Matt, but I think we've talked about it.
00:26:13.940We're both open to who the next speaker is.
00:30:07.020How can we represent the people that are out there that have your back on the fiscal crisis side that you can actually help organize this thing and then move forward quickly?
00:30:17.020Well, we have just under 45 days to be able to do that.
00:30:20.000We just did four appropriations bills, four spending bills.
00:30:22.960That was 70 percent of government funding in like two weeks.
00:30:26.460So we've got plenty of time to get the last 30 percent of the government funded over the next 40 or so days.
00:30:35.840And as we were just talking about, this is an opportunity for us to be united and strong and have the wind at our backs going into the next spending fight.
00:30:43.640We've got to get over the French work week.
00:30:46.040We can't do this, you know, show up on Tuesday, leave on Thursday or Friday morning.
00:30:50.920They do that because they want a set of crises, right, that has these –
00:30:56.720They use those stops as to force you in to just do CRs, do omnibus.
00:31:03.420Well, they don't want stuff like this to happen because if we have the various thoughts throughout the conference and the various people meeting together and talking together,
00:31:15.240So the whole strategy has been, you know, not allow the collaboration that would allow the membership's viewpoint to really predominate over, you know,
00:31:23.660what the people who donate the most money to the leadership would say.
00:31:25.940But there's a – if the rest of these bills are done, right, and they come out –
00:32:01.400They did this to regroup because they're in a state of shock.
00:32:04.020They never thought that you could hurt when the gas – when you took your vote.
00:32:07.940The K Street guys, the lobbyists, the cartel is regrouping.
00:32:11.260But like the nerve of these establishment Republicans to have to take a week to go have a good cry and then blame us for being the reason that we can't get the work done.
00:32:43.720Well, that negotiation is going to come down to are you willing to take more conservative policy in exchange for a higher spending number, right?
00:34:13.500Because there was nothing else to show is is the impeachment going to get with this change in leadership?
00:34:19.440Because I'm hearing from my sources that Kevin McCarthy and that team around him purposely held back judiciary, purposely held back oversight.
00:34:27.660This is the reason we don't have subpoenas.
00:34:29.560You've been over Treasury a number of times.
00:34:38.660And I'm not I'm like I'm accused of being a conspiracy theorist, but all the whistleblowers have verified that it existed and he was trying to write it off on his taxes.
00:34:47.060So the problem is previous to yesterday, conservatives were told one thing about impeachment.
00:34:52.400Mods were told moderates were told another thing.
00:35:05.920And so that's why it's so important for the next speaker to be honest, someone that we can trust, who will tell us the truth, even when we disagree, someone that we can depend on and know we're going to get the truth out of this individual.
00:35:17.340So I want us to follow the evidence and wherever it leads us.
00:35:20.960And those investigations, we could have another impeachment inquiry hearing right now, today, this week and move forward.
00:35:44.600OK, I have done complex class action cases.
00:35:47.460I've done cases that involve a whole lot of financial documents.
00:35:50.720You have to get the paper moving immediately and you have to start sending the subpoenas because you need a duration of time to litigate those and at times change the scope of your requests.
00:36:03.240This stuff happens all the time, but we haven't even begun the process.
00:36:06.580And I compare that to the systematized, regimented, disciplined way that the January 6th committee pursued everyone with great vigor that they had any interest in.
00:36:17.560And, you know, we have got to have a moment of reflection about where we stand with our oversight and the impeachment matter.
00:36:27.660I think Byron Donalds did a great job in that hearing as well.
00:36:30.540But, I mean, we weren't sending our best.
00:36:35.080Do we have do we have subpoenas already?
00:36:38.300Go ahead. Are there things that can help that investigation move rapidly with the change in leadership?
00:36:43.680Or are we really starting at the beginning because the details and the facts that were laid out the other day, we've known so much of this from you coming on the show and from us reporting it and being the laptop from hell.
00:37:10.480And most importantly, I want the bookkeeper because the bookkeeper knows where all the bodies are buried and will be able to connect the dots.
00:37:18.000As the Ukrainians said, the executive said it was such a complex web of money laundering.
00:37:23.320It'll take 10 years for the federal government to figure it out.
00:37:26.460And so that bookkeeper to me is going to be the key to the entire puzzle.
00:37:31.560And that's who I want to have the untouchables.
00:37:33.400The bookkeepers, the guys, keeps all the secrets real quickly.
00:37:50.000Well, I give a tremendous amount of credit to Marjorie Taylor Greene because she crowbarred 300 million dollars to Ukraine in away from the defense funding bill.
00:38:00.320And she demanded an individual vote on that money and she got that vote.
00:38:04.140And when that vote occurred, there were 101 Republicans who supported that money to Ukraine, 117, including the two of us, who opposed that additional money to Ukraine.
00:38:14.560And so now funding for Ukraine has lost the support of the majority of the majority.
00:38:21.720Will that be key to a new leader that they're going to have to guarantee that Hastert rule?
00:38:26.000Yeah, since Denny Hastert, the rule has been you don't roll a majority of the majority with Democrats on a policy bill like that.
00:38:33.480And then Kevin McCarthy did it with the last Ukraine money.
00:38:36.600And then if you if you believe Joe Biden and even some of the background reporting that came out of the Republican leadership offices, Kevin McCarthy had made another side deal on Ukraine, despite the fact that the Hastert rule had been broken.
00:38:48.680So we were there early against the funding of this conflict.
00:38:53.280And I think it says something about the quality of our arguments and also the the American people being the leading indicator that now the lagging indicator of Congress has caught up with with the with the appropriations not being done.
00:39:06.280Are you are you going to say the House shouldn't take up any of these supplementals whatsoever that should be outside the process, past the budget?
00:39:12.980I'm against any and all supplementals at this point.
00:39:15.320I mean, again, I called it in May during the debt ceiling fight.
00:39:17.500I said they're going to try to end run around the spending with emergency supplementals.
00:39:21.900They'll create and manufacture an emergency, a crisis to do an omnibus, a minibus, another CR and supplementals.
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