Bannon's War Room - Episode 3081： They Want A Formal Deprograming OF The MAGA Cult

00:00:00.000 The morning after ousting McCarthy, Congressman Matt Gaetz walked a few blocks down from the Capitol to the basement recording studio that belongs to Steve Bannon to claim victory and to rally support from the MAGA movement.

00:00:14.220 Well, first, I want to say the posse won and the posse was attacked last night.

00:00:19.820 What they're trying to say is they're afraid of your collective agency.

00:00:22.680 They are worried that your ability to act as as a force in American politics can become more important than the big steak dinners and the lobbyist fundraisers and the favors that are traded back and forth.

00:00:39.200 That is the Republican Party that Donald Trump is returning to, one that is mired in dysfunction and anger and chaos and paranoia.

00:00:47.360 And it is clear now that the threat is inside the building.

00:00:50.700 They have breached the Capitol in more ways than one.

00:00:54.380 Running right into Steve Bannon and the New York Times published this about Bannon, quote,

00:00:59.920 Bannon has been stoking the chaos now, gripping the Republican Party, capitalizing on the spectacle to prop up and egg on the GOB rebels. 0.81

00:01:09.200 Brennan, irrespective of his legal troubles, Bannon is no D.C. insider.

00:01:14.240 How has he managed to cultivate this kind of influence over the party in power?

00:01:20.700 I think he, like Donald Trump, saw something.

00:01:22.980 There was a strain in the party that, frankly, a lot of us were ignoring for a long time.

00:01:27.620 Look, I understand what he's up to quite well.

00:01:29.920 He ran a website called Breitbart that seemed to be incredibly preoccupied with the idea of taking out my old boss, Paul Ryan.

00:01:37.080 Every single day they were publishing stories, hit pieces on him, terrible things.

00:01:40.660 And most people didn't see them, except it was this section of our party in the base that just get fired up by it.

00:01:49.480 And we've been telling our own voters for a very long time that our leaders are corrupt, that our leaders don't respect them, that our leaders are letting them down.

00:01:57.760 And it creates a situation where a Matt Gaetz can literally take out one of the leaders of the Speaker of the House, a constitutional role, can take him out and pay no price.

00:02:07.180 In fact, it will be probably more popular, is going to be more popular because of that, because so much groundwork has been laid telling people that your own party leaders are bad people.

00:02:16.760 And they buy it and they believe it and it allows them to stoke that.

00:02:20.100 He saw that there was a frustration, a populism and anger and just spoke directly to those people.

00:02:25.460 The rest of the mainstream conversation in politics didn't really see it, but he saw it and he was stoking it for a very long time.

00:02:32.720 Charlie, whether this sort of poison runs deeper than just deal making, the New York Times is out with a piece about how Steve Bannon, in many ways, helped orchestrate the ouster of Kevin McCarthy by effectively poisoning the well, poisoning the posse,

00:02:48.800 which is to say the right wing and the right wing, not just in Congress, but voters and listeners to Steve Bannon's podcast,

00:02:55.020 poising them against McCarthy, who he deemed sort of an establishment rhino stooge of the Democratic Party.

00:03:03.600 In other seasons, one might say, who cares what Steve Bannon is doing?

00:03:07.500 But the Times piece points this out, and I'll just read you a short excerpt.

00:03:10.320 In past decades, right wing rebels on Capitol Hill have encountered trouble getting real traction, shunned by lobbyists and big money political action committees,

00:03:19.560 excluded from leadership suites in the Capitol and disregarded by Fox News.

00:03:23.000 But with the help of Mr. Bannon, who streams live for four hours every weekday, Mr. Gates and others don't need to rely on any of that.

00:03:31.060 They can find their money by spewing nonsense on the Bannon airwaves, and they have an audience and they have attention and that's all they need.

00:03:38.960 What do you think about that, Charlie?

00:03:40.740 Well, that's exactly right.

00:03:42.520 You know, and Tim's written a whole book about this.

00:03:44.540 You know, the water was poisoned a long time ago over the last five or six years.

00:03:49.280 You have this vast right wing media ecosystem that thrives on stirring up outrage, convincing the base that they need to be angry,

00:03:59.280 that they're being betrayed, that somebody is not being loyal enough, and they keep ratcheting it up.

00:04:04.340 So what Bannon represents is just one aspect of all of this.

00:04:08.200 And ultimately, you know, this is a leadership problem, but it's also a followership problem.

00:04:12.640 You know, as you illustrated earlier, there are a lot of people out there in the primary electorate who have no problem with this kind of chaos and this kind of dysfunction.

00:04:22.800 And Donald Trump feeds on this as well.

00:04:25.580 And that's the problem that the majority of House Republicans have to deal with, is if they want to elect somebody who is not completely crazy,

00:04:34.320 if they want to elect somebody who is not a complete lunatic, they're going to have to deal with this,

00:04:39.800 not just the eight members of the caucus, but this entire media ecosystem, which is devoted to, you know,

00:04:47.840 passing out the meth of outrage on a regular basis.

00:04:50.780 And Donald Trump, who will insist on this sort of thing.

00:04:55.380 I mean, Donald Trump, you know, in many ways, I agree with Tim, you know, this is an assertion of dominance,

00:05:00.360 but it really is, in many ways, the worst nightmare for House Republicans.

00:05:04.640 And it is the fondest wish of Democrats and the Biden campaign to basically Trumpify the entire Republican Party

00:05:13.360 and make it absolutely clear that Donald Trump owns all of this chaos and this dysfunction.

00:05:20.000 It's not a source of shame and indignation.

00:05:23.260 They're either like more of that or what else is new.

00:05:26.640 And so, you know, Jim Jordan as speaker seems entirely plausible to that group of people.

00:05:32.100 Oh, for sure.

00:05:33.140 You know, this is the thing that a lot of folks, you know, I think on the coast miss about what's happening with the Republican Party is,

00:05:38.260 you know, there's that old trope that like a lot of Republicans are like,

00:05:41.040 I like Donald Trump for the policies, except but not the tweets.

00:05:44.540 You know, I just wish he'd have control over his Twitter feed.

00:05:46.620 Right. There's a big group of the Republican base, maybe not a majority, but really close to it.

00:05:51.680 35, 40, 45 percent of the party that's there for the chaos, there for the tweets, there for the cruelty.

00:05:58.100 Like they like this stuff.

00:05:59.940 And so you might think that, you know, the fact that the Republican Party can't govern themselves,

00:06:04.360 you know, might make Republican viewers of Fox and viewers of Steve Vance podcast embarrassed and upset.

00:06:09.540 But for many of the viewers, they're like, no, good.

00:06:11.680 You know, we want to tear this whole thing down.

00:06:14.500 And so that, you know, makes things very challenging for the Republicans who want to do the right thing.

00:06:20.180 I think there's a dwindling number of them, you know, but I think many of them feel really trapped by their own voters.

00:06:26.000 I mean, the idea that Republicans are even floating the name of Donald Trump.

00:06:29.620 Now, keep in mind, you don't have to be a member of Congress to be the Speaker of the House.

00:06:33.200 But Donald Trump, realistically, I thought he was only coming back to Washington, D.C. in March for another one of his trials,

00:06:38.840 of which he has many on the docket.

00:06:41.600 So the chaos that we have seen is sadly just the beginning.

00:06:46.160 And we have to keep focused.

00:06:48.220 We have a very important presidential election ahead of us.

00:06:50.860 You know, we keep telling our students, this is the most important election of your lifetime.

00:06:54.640 But realistically, our Democratic Republic and the larger, you know, construct of American democracy

00:06:59.260 is literally on the line because we have so many Republicans who, as Brendan said,

00:07:04.160 have been consistently eroding at this idea over time.

00:07:08.080 And as you know, with the courts, Melissa, this isn't something that just happened overnight.

00:07:11.520 These are long-term plans that they've had.

00:07:14.300 And we're seeing sort of the explosion of them come to fore.

00:07:17.260 Very strong partisans in both parties in the past.

00:07:21.020 And we had very bitter battles over all kinds of things, gun control and climate change and the economy and taxes.

00:07:28.340 But there wasn't this little tale of extremism waving, you know, wagging the dog of the Republican Party as it is today.

00:07:38.100 And sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump,

00:07:46.100 who has no credibility left by any measure.

00:07:51.360 He's only in it for himself.

00:07:53.240 He's now defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions.

00:07:56.900 And when do they break with him?

00:07:59.100 You know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members.

00:08:05.580 Friday, 6 October, the year of our Lord, 2023, a formal deprogramming of the cult members.

00:08:16.160 I want to just put a pin in that.

00:08:17.700 We're going to come back to that.

00:08:18.760 We're going to have, in a little while, William Arkin from Newsweek magazine is going to join us with,

00:08:24.080 as Jack Posobiec told me the other day,

00:08:26.520 only in a week where you removed, you, this audience, removed a sitting Speaker of the House.

00:08:33.400 Would Arkin's cover story in Newsweek magazine not be the biggest story in the world?

00:08:37.840 We're going to get to that.

00:08:38.700 And that is about targeting you, the MAGA extremists,

00:08:44.260 heretofore referred to as working class and middle class American citizens.

00:08:48.320 Pattern recognition, you're agents of chaos, you're destroying institutions,

00:08:55.620 you are, you're sowers of discord, divisiveness.

00:09:02.460 So you've removed you, not Trump, not Stephen K. Bannon, not Matt Gaetz,

00:09:10.080 not Nancy Mace, Tim Burchett, the Patriots, Corey Mills, the guys that came in and backed the rule,

00:09:18.860 Davidson of Ohio, you.

00:09:23.380 What you're seeing in the last 48, 72 hours, and that's the reason the Newsweek story is so,

00:09:29.260 not just timely, but a blockbuster, is the realization,

00:09:35.740 the realization, the uniparty apparatus that runs this nation,

00:09:40.080 and its Wall Street paymasters are now in a state of shock

00:09:45.260 that you actually have a say-so, and you have political muscle,

00:09:50.640 and you will use that muscle, and you will use that muscle

00:09:54.060 because you are determined to take your country back 0.97

00:09:57.300 and to not let these corrupt, incompetent political hacks destroy this republic. 0.92

00:10:06.620 Incompetent political hacks of both parties, the uniparty. 0.91

00:10:11.080 It's very interesting.

00:10:11.960 The rest of this, we're going to go throughout the day.

00:10:14.040 Posobik is going to join me shortly.

00:10:17.300 Natalie Winters, Rahim Kassam.

00:10:19.800 So the paper of record, the New York Times, let's talk about this.

00:10:22.980 It's quite important to get this into the first segment.

00:10:26.260 I often, you know, I do my Financial Times and New York Times every day.

00:10:29.920 Now I realize when I mention New York Times, the audience is going,

00:10:32.020 fake news, fake news, don't want to, you know.

00:10:34.360 It's not the point.

00:10:36.240 And your opinion or your thoughts are also not the point.

00:10:39.840 It is the paper of record in the hometown paper of the financial capital of the world

00:10:45.320 in the most powerful, in the most, it's the most powerful paper in the world.

00:10:49.320 If the New York Times was not printed every morning, MSNBC would be a test pattern.

00:10:55.640 They would not know what to do during the day.

00:10:57.440 They take their marching orders.

00:10:58.680 Rachel Maddow kind of channels it because she's the architect.

00:11:01.240 She channels the New York Times into the news operation.

00:11:06.120 She's the Roger Ailes of the progressive left.

00:11:09.600 But the New York Times is the power.

00:11:13.260 That's where it all comes from.

00:11:14.140 So today's New York Times, I got my copy here, it's got the war room in the middle.

00:11:22.260 But this is not about McCarthy, and it's certainly not about Bannon, okay?

00:11:26.800 I'll tell you, pull the paper up.

00:11:28.000 Do I have it?

00:11:29.040 And I'll just go back and forth with mine.

00:11:33.240 That's the center.

00:11:34.140 The reason that's the center of the paper, and I'm not sure the editors of the New York Times knew this,

00:11:39.140 this is about you.

00:11:40.080 This is you having a platform that's not a talk to – it's a war room.

00:11:48.160 It's a platform for you to take action, for your agency, as Matt Gaetz said, to use your human agency, and you just used it.

00:11:54.900 That victory is 1,000% yours.

00:11:57.860 But let's go around.

00:11:58.720 More importantly, this is – it's called pattern recognition.

00:12:01.540 Pattern recognition is one of the things that separate those who kind of understand really what's going on, the signal.

00:12:09.640 You need the pattern recognition versus the noise.

00:12:12.860 So in the pattern recognition, let's just go around the New York Times, the front page.

00:12:17.900 Every story, every major story in the front page of the New York Times today is about you and about what you have accomplished.

00:12:24.420 Let's go clockwise.

00:12:26.760 As you know, always the lead story, what the editors feel is the most important story of the day is always in the – above the fold, upper right.

00:12:33.960 GOP resistance to aid in Ukraine expands in-house.

00:12:37.340 Litmus test for the right.

00:12:39.520 Turbulence within party highlights split over military policy.

00:12:42.680 When we started saying that we can't escalate in Ukraine, there were two – there was MTG and Matt Gaetz at the beginning, and maybe Thomas Massey.

00:12:52.660 Let's say three.

00:12:54.040 That was in the first day of the war.

00:12:56.680 What, a year and a half later?

00:12:58.980 They're in meltdown right here because of Ukraine. 0.99

00:13:01.200 You are Ukraine. 0.99

00:13:01.900 You have stopped Ukraine. 0.86

00:13:04.060 Go down to the bottom right, clockwise.

00:13:07.580 You see the red thing?

00:13:09.040 You see it right there?

00:13:09.700 I've got a box.

00:13:10.320 Can the audience see that?

00:13:11.080 I can't.

00:13:11.860 I'm a glass.

00:13:12.380 Fine.

00:13:13.760 Now listen to this shock.

00:13:14.820 This is a paper record.

00:13:15.760 With rates poised to stay high, new fears of soaring U.S. debt.

00:13:21.380 This is an embarrassing story.

00:13:23.180 You've been on this from the beginning.

00:13:24.840 You have warned this beginning McCarthy's gone because of the debt deal.

00:13:28.200 It's a new revelation to the New York Times.

00:13:31.580 If you read this, it's so childish.

00:13:34.020 You have been – and they're saying, gosh, all these people now are worried because of the credit cards.

00:13:38.380 It's rates poised to stay high, new fears of soaring U.S. debt.

00:13:43.240 New fears.

00:13:44.240 Is that a new fear for you?

00:13:46.320 This is about adults.

00:13:48.360 You are adults.

00:13:49.340 You are adults on Ukraine.

00:13:50.780 You're adults on the national debt and the deficit and the federal spending, which they only reluctantly get to.

00:13:56.040 It's the overspending.

00:13:57.100 That's why McCarthy's gone.

00:13:58.680 But the piece that resists thoughts is keep going around clockwise.

00:14:03.580 What do we have right next to the war room thing?

00:14:05.780 Biden, comma, and shift, comma, cracks down on migration.

00:14:09.920 Biden's going to build a wall of what they called you racist about, what they called you nativist about, what they called you xenophobes about,

00:14:18.260 and trashed Donald Trump when he came down the escalator on, what, 17 of June of 2015, and now go around the entire paper.

00:14:29.620 Pattern recognition, let me wait for it.

00:14:32.260 That is you.

00:14:33.640 That is 100 percent you are driving the politics in this nation, and they hate it.

00:14:39.900 You forced Biden, you have forced Biden to the border to build a wall.

00:14:46.560 You have forced Wall Street to recognize that the debt is destroying this country.

00:14:51.120 And you've said on Ukraine, not over my dead body.

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00:17:02.700 The number of Republicans who voted along with Democrats to keep the government open.

00:17:07.240 So there's clearly a common sense, you know, sane part of the Republican caucus in the House.

00:17:15.300 But I think they are intimidated.

00:17:20.480 They oftentimes, you know, say and do things which they know better than to say or do.

00:17:26.720 And it will require us defeating those most extreme measures and the people who promote them in order to try to get to some common ground where people can, again, work together.

00:17:39.520 That's the way it used to be.

00:17:40.760 I mean, we had very strong partisans in both parties in the past.

00:17:45.300 And we had very bitter battles over all kinds of things, gun control and climate change and the economy and taxes.

00:17:52.480 But there wasn't this little tale of extremism waving, you know, wagging the dog of the Republican Party as it is today.

00:18:02.240 And sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure.

00:18:15.500 He's only in it for himself.

00:18:17.380 He's now defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions.

00:18:20.600 And when do they break with him, you know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members.

00:18:29.740 But something needs to happen.

00:18:31.060 Something needs to happen.

00:18:34.600 Maybe at some point.

00:18:36.860 That's President Clinton talking.

00:18:38.420 Maybe at some point there needs to be a formal deprogramming.

00:18:44.180 Oh, excuse me.

00:18:46.040 That's right.

00:18:46.840 I made a slip up there.

00:18:49.440 She didn't actually win in 16, did she?

00:18:52.040 She was the one that was up by 14 points with 100 days ago.

00:18:54.660 But that one, that's her, that President Clinton, and Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland.

00:19:03.300 Merrick Garland, when you cry yourself to sleep every night, just remember, so is chaos.

00:19:09.980 I just want to go back to pattern recognition.

00:19:11.800 So is chaos.

00:19:13.940 Can you get the paper back up?

00:19:15.360 So is chaos.

00:19:15.880 And for our podcast and radio audience, please go to the site.

00:19:19.360 We put all the stuff up every day.

00:19:21.100 You've got to actually, to get the full flavor here, you just can't listen.

00:19:25.660 You must also see.

00:19:28.180 Because in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. 0.98

00:19:33.000 You're the sores of chaos. 0.58

00:19:34.280 You're the agents of chaos. 0.93

00:19:35.440 You're the sores of chaos.

00:19:37.300 You, the backbone of this country. 0.95

00:19:38.780 You're the sores of chaos. 0.98

00:19:39.960 You go around Ukraine.

00:19:41.220 You've said from the beginning, no in Ukraine.

00:19:43.160 A lot of you will maybe get sucked up with the Fox neocon.

00:19:46.560 But most of you would know.

00:19:48.040 We can't do that.

00:19:48.740 We shouldn't be over there.

00:19:49.460 We shouldn't escalate.

00:19:50.160 There's chaos in Ukraine of 50,000 dead.

00:19:53.400 You said at the beginning, get them to a negotiating table.

00:19:56.280 The uniparty, you know, warmonger, elite are not going to do this.

00:20:01.600 Who's on the side of chaos there?

00:20:04.000 Who's on the side of chaos?

00:20:06.040 Is it you or them?

00:20:08.660 Number two, you're the sores of chaos.

00:20:10.480 So is chaos.

00:20:11.160 Just remember, so is chaos.

00:20:12.340 Pattern recognition.

00:20:13.140 Let's go to the bottom right.

00:20:14.800 With rates poised to stay high, new fears of soaring debt.

00:20:18.860 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:20:20.480 That would be incorrect.

00:20:21.980 These are old fears.

00:20:23.860 And this audience was the one saying from the beginning must be massive cuts.

00:20:29.200 Has to be tax increases for the super wealthy. 0.63

00:20:32.880 We cannot go on like this.

00:20:34.300 You got to call it by deprogramming.

00:20:36.420 You got to deprogram the government.

00:20:37.580 You got to take these programs and shut them down.

00:20:39.100 Now, all of a sudden, oh, new fears.

00:20:43.100 So who are the sores of chaos?

00:20:46.080 Would that be you that have said, we must stop this?

00:20:48.440 We're prepared to back.

00:20:49.280 People say, stop it.

00:20:50.300 Or the people that got us in here.

00:20:51.780 And all of a sudden, the New York Times wakes up on the morning of Friday, 6 October in the year of our Lord, 2023.

00:20:57.220 It's a new fear of soaring debt.

00:20:59.000 No, we've had a two trillion since the debt deal that you lost.

00:21:03.800 You can't have a debt crisis.

00:21:05.880 You can't have a debt crisis.

00:21:07.240 We have a debt crisis.

00:21:08.600 We default every day.

00:21:10.800 Why do you think it's crushing the American people?

00:21:12.880 In fact, if the engine room that got me the rates could do that same thing again and make sure I got it up at the top of my feed,

00:21:20.200 I got to go back through the rates.

00:21:21.480 All-time highs are highs for the last 20 years, 25 years.

00:21:25.240 30-year mortgage.

00:21:25.940 You can't buy a house.

00:21:26.800 You're not going to be able to buy a car.

00:21:29.160 You want to have a trauma session?

00:21:30.760 Open your credit card bill every month.

00:21:32.240 Look at the APR.

00:21:34.240 No, but you're the sore of chaos.

00:21:36.500 Who in that situation has been the sore of chaos or stability?

00:21:41.220 I think you.

00:21:42.620 Stability.

00:21:43.380 Them, chaos.

00:21:44.300 And lastly, what have you said from the beginning?

00:21:46.540 We've had people in the Darien Gap, Michael Yon, Ben Burkwam, Oscar Blue Ramirez, others, and Vander Steele.

00:21:52.880 Pick them for three years in the Darien Gap saying, here's what's coming. 0.94

00:21:56.360 Now Biden, because politically it's overwhelming the Upper West Side, the Upper East Side, the Gold Coast and Chicago.

00:22:02.800 All of a sudden, oh, we're going to build a wall.

00:22:04.600 Who is the sore of chaos?

00:22:07.020 Please help me there.

00:22:08.000 Is it you that have demanded that instead of Ukraine?

00:22:12.000 Here, let's connect these two dots, New York Times editor.

00:22:14.820 This story on the left and that story, your lead story.

00:22:19.440 The sores of chaos, this audience is for the sovereignty of the country, for the territorial integrity of the country, for the self-determination of the American people and the American citizens from the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas all the way up to the fentanyl dumps in the rest of the country.

00:22:37.600 Because every town is a border town, every town a border state.

00:22:40.820 Who then, ladies and gentlemen, are the sores of chaos?

00:22:44.940 Who's the sores of chaos?

00:22:48.040 Here's the reality.

00:22:48.980 You are the underpinnings.

00:22:54.040 It's Burke's little battalions.

00:22:56.240 You're the underpinnings of civic society here.

00:22:59.360 And you see not the managed decline by our elite, which was Hillary Clinton in 16.

00:23:04.360 This is the accelerated collapse of the country.

00:23:07.380 And you have been that rock underneath there, whether it was Ukraine or the debt and the spending or the invasion on the southern border.

00:23:16.460 And you know who tells me that?

00:23:17.980 The New York frickin' Times, the paper of record, the most progressive paper outside the Guardian in the world.

00:23:22.920 They put you in the center and the stories around it. 0.99

00:23:25.160 So editors of New York Times suck on that. 0.86

00:23:27.720 These people are who are saving the country. 0.99

00:23:31.700 Saving this nation and the elites in this country are the sores of chaos.

00:23:36.380 And you've made more money on the way down than you've made it on the way up.

00:23:39.320 And that's going to stop.

00:23:40.280 And we don't care if you're dancing around. 1.00

00:23:42.460 Oh, it's going to be a government shutdown.

00:23:43.740 It's going to be a government shutdown.

00:23:44.780 Oh, we have a debt ceiling.

00:23:45.860 We have a debt ceiling, debt crisis.

00:23:47.500 You have caused the destruction of this nation.

00:23:51.480 And the American people are not going to tolerate it.

00:23:56.840 And we don't care who we have to turf out to get this thing right.

00:24:01.460 And you know what your reward is for this, ladies and gentlemen?

00:24:03.680 You know what your reward is for stability?

00:24:07.080 Hillary Clinton, in her puffed-up nature, now says the deplorables have to be depressed. 0.95

00:24:12.720 What FEMA camp are you going to do it? 0.94

00:24:14.160 Hey, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

00:24:16.000 But you said a formal process.

00:24:17.560 Can you please develop that reporter?

00:24:19.300 But when you say formal process of deprogramming of the cult members, can you please tell me that?

00:24:23.980 What is it, Hillary?

00:24:25.300 What do you got in mind?

00:24:27.440 Because we got, oh, they got the FEMA camps here.

00:24:30.040 And I said, no, no, no, no, no.

00:24:31.020 Come on, come on, don't go there.

00:24:32.980 Hey, she went there.

00:24:34.320 What do you get?

00:24:34.660 What's your idea?

00:24:36.340 What percentage?

00:24:37.080 Who are they?

00:24:39.080 To be formally deprogrammed?

00:24:41.920 And on top of that, I want to go to William Arkin now.

00:24:45.020 Can I get the cover of Newsweek magazine?

00:24:47.500 This is absolutely a stunning article.

00:24:50.020 And I'm going to turn it over to Bill Arkin.

00:24:52.540 Bill, can you walk us through, I mean, I don't even know where to start, this incredible exclusive you've gotten about, it looks like targeting of Trump MAGA members before the 2024 by the institutions that we pay for.

00:25:07.000 Can you walk us through, first off, how you got this story and what's the thesis?

00:25:10.660 Well, I first heard from an FBI source that the FBI had created a new subcategory of domestic extremists and that that subcategory was specifically tied to identifying MAGA and Trump supporters as the greatest threat to the United States.

00:25:31.120 I started nosing around this around three months ago and tried to really clarify what the FBI was up to.

00:25:37.600 Of course, officially, the FBI says anti-government and anti-authority extremists apply to both Democrats and Republicans.

00:25:49.000 But the reality is that 90 percent of the FBI's investigations are of Trump supporters.

00:25:56.420 Now, one could argue, as the FBI does, that, well, that's reality, that these are the people who are most driven to violence and lawbreaking.

00:26:06.720 And so, therefore, they are the target.

00:26:09.540 On the other hand, we protect people's First Amendment rights.

00:26:14.260 We preserve people's privacies.

00:26:18.540 And so we're only going after people who commit violence or will commit violence and that we're anticipating that there will be violence associated with the 2024 election.

00:26:31.000 And so if Democrats commit violence during the 2024 election, if Democrats are prone towards lawbreaking, we'll investigate them, too.

00:26:42.040 But right now, the reality is that the FBI, in a typical act that I think really defines how Washington overreacts to things, is solely focused on MAGA and Trump, even though they can't say so publicly.

00:27:00.060 Bill, we want to hold you through the break for a second, given the gravity of the story, because this story, Posobiec is going to join me afterwards.

00:27:11.340 And the story directly, I think, relates to the speaker's race.

00:27:15.600 Bill, just real quickly, can you give your curriculum, Vita, you just give your background as a reporter.

00:27:19.640 This is the first time you've been on the show, and I think people want to know more about you.

00:27:22.200 Can you just give us a minute on who you are and your background in journalism?

00:27:26.200 Well, I started in my national security career in the Army in the 1970s, and I've been working on national security matters, mostly on matters of war, but increasingly on questions relating to intelligence ever since.

00:27:44.120 I've been a reporter at the New York Times, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times.

00:27:49.560 I've been a consultant to NBC for 20 years before I quit in 2019, so I have a long experience in this world of intelligence and feel like I'm writing about something that else is.

00:28:06.800 Bill, we're going to go to break when we're right back, but I noticed you said New York Times, Washington Post, I didn't hear Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, Citizens Free Press.

00:28:17.480 You've spent your career working with some of the biggest news organizations in the world?

00:28:23.500 I have, and I've also been attacked by the Breitbarts and the Gateway Pundits and the Hugh Hewitts of the world for years.

00:28:32.360 So I think it's pretty funny that I'm the guy that's willing to criticize Democrat or Republican in the White House.

00:28:41.340 I'm the guy that's trying to figure out what the government is doing, and when there's a story that doesn't comport with somebody's political backgrounds, they're happy to attack me.

00:28:53.540 Yeah. Bill, just hang on for one second. We're going to return Jack Posobiec, Bill Arkin.

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00:30:42.000 Because you are the providers of stability through the nation and because you will not tolerate the elites, the moneyed elites in this country destroying this nation, you have been targeted.

00:30:57.920 You're agents of chaos, you're sowers of chaos from Ukraine, from saying no more in Ukraine. 1.00

00:31:06.440 The debt and the deficit has to stop.

00:31:11.100 We can't do this.

00:31:11.740 We're burying our children.

00:31:12.860 You're destroying life in this country with these interest rates to the invasion of the southern border, of which they acknowledge.

00:31:19.680 And they're all in their own way trying to drive their own agendas.

00:31:24.180 You're saying no, we can't do this.

00:31:25.580 And you're the agents of chaos.

00:31:26.880 And every one of those leads to the chaos geopolitically and in capital markets throughout the world.

00:31:33.720 Hillary Clinton says last night right out there, you have to be formally, formally deprogrammed.

00:31:41.160 I just want you to just embrace that.

00:31:43.520 You, for the great crime of standing over for your country and voting and giving money and saying and getting on these gutless representatives up here and saying, stop, we're not going to do this anymore.

00:31:56.720 You've got to be deprogrammed.

00:31:57.520 And, of course, Bill Arkin, who's no right-wing ideologue, a national security reporter, a national security guy, and now reporter, been some of the biggest, the paper of record, the New York Times, the political paper of record, the Washington Post, and other mainstream media organizations, writes a blockbuster story in the cover of Newsweek magazine, and it is a blockbuster.

00:32:23.020 And Jack Posobiec, who's got a pretty – Jack Posobiec is very good in something called pattern recognition, said, Steve, this is the most important story out there.

00:32:31.460 So, Bill, here's what I understand, and this is going to get – I'm going to deal with this with Posobiec when he comes on about our speaker's race, and particularly Jim Jordan.

00:32:41.060 Has any of this – your reporting in this report you talk about, has any of this come up in any – I mean, we have a congressional committee, sir, that's purpose is about –

00:32:53.000 the weaponization of the weaponization of the United States government.

00:32:56.260 And the FBI and the DOJ have been the principal targets from judiciary to oversight to this weaponization committee.

00:33:03.120 So you have three committees, tons of people.

00:33:05.680 Has anything about what's really going on that you expose in this explosive story come up in any congressional hearing that you've seen?

00:33:14.160 Not really that I'm aware of, Steve.

00:33:18.280 I mean, the truth of the matter is that the FBI, and most importantly, Washington, has identified Trump and MAGA as the greatest threat of domestic terrorism in the United States.

00:33:32.000 It's just fact.

00:33:33.000 That's what's happened.

00:33:33.840 I asked an FBI guy once who was going on saying to me the problem of fentanyl in America, the problem of gun violence in America.

00:33:44.280 And I said to him, well, if I look at statements by the White House and by Secretary Mayorkas at the Department of Homeland Security or Christopher Wray at the FBI, if I look at their statements, they're saying constantly fentanyl is the biggest threat to America.

00:34:00.920 Or they're saying constantly that gun violence is the biggest threat to America.

00:34:04.300 Why are they focusing so much on domestic terrorism?

00:34:08.520 And the answer that the FBI guy gave me was, well, fentanyl is a threat to America.

00:34:17.080 Gun violence is a threat to America.

00:34:20.480 Domestic terrorism is a threat to Washington.

00:34:24.040 And that, in a nutshell, sort of explained to me the landscape of domestic terrorism investigations and the work of the FBI today.

00:34:32.040 It's a threat to Washington.

00:34:34.300 And whether the FBI should be involved in regulating or trying to regulate or even investigating free speech in America and political action and political activity in America is a real question.

00:34:48.280 But on the good side, I will say this, that a lot of people in the intelligence community and the FBI said to me that they thought that the title domestic terrorist and the idea of domestic violent extremists, which is a term that really basically came out of the war against Islam,

00:35:08.500 that that that term was no longer adequate and should be abandoned because it makes it sound as if the federal government's role is somehow regulating the political landscape.

00:35:22.480 And that's not the federal government's role.

00:35:25.240 So the good news is there's a lot of people within the government and within the counterterrorism world who say, no, we don't have this right.

00:35:33.920 We're basically trying to take the 9-11 model and and apply it to MAGA and the Trump supporters.

00:35:40.880 And that's not right.

00:35:41.900 So to me, there is some small silver lining in in addressing this question.

00:35:48.620 But really, the biggest point that I wanted to bring across in the article was that this is just something that nobody wants to talk about,

00:35:58.960 which is that the federal government sees violence in the 2024 election and sees extremism as they define it in the 2024 election and is going to focus on it as a priority over the coming year.

00:36:12.020 And nobody is really questioning, including in Congress, whether or not this is what the FBI should be doing or whether or not this is indeed what the American people need.

00:36:26.320 Last thing before I let you go.

00:36:27.760 And for Grace and Captain Bannon, the team here in Denver, I want this article up in all the chat rooms.

00:36:33.240 I want everybody in the chat room to push this article out and share it.

00:36:37.060 And I want you to read it deeply and even take notes.

00:36:40.200 This is a blockbuster.

00:36:42.020 We had the FBI situation about the memo they lied about, about looking at the Latin mass Catholic churches, which is the hobbits of the hobbits, as breeders of domestic terrorism. 0.80

00:36:55.440 And Chris Rae lied about when challenged.

00:36:58.420 Has anybody at all, even outside Congress, has anybody besides yourself tried to drill down into the FBI about this, of how active this program actually is?

00:37:10.260 Not as far as far as I'm aware, Steve.

00:37:13.560 This is sort of the first article that's written on this question.

00:37:16.920 And it both presents the data that shows what the FBI's concentration is in terms of its investigations and its assessments.

00:37:27.100 But at the same time, it raises the broader question of whose responsibility it is for even thinking about this and whether the FBI is the legitimate agency.

00:37:37.520 So, to me, this is the opening for a lot more investigation and a lot more.

00:37:43.360 I imagine in the coming days, as this article continues to be read by more and more Americans,

00:37:50.100 the liberal news media will most likely try to come up with the official line that counters what it is that I'm saying.

00:38:00.180 But again, this was a two-month, three-month investigation in which I talked to people on all sides of the issue and talked to a lot of people inside the government.

00:38:09.520 And I'm pretty confident that, in fact, this is the state of play, that MAGA has been targeted.

00:38:18.620 The FBI will say, well, they're only targeted if they're going to be, if we see that there is some evidence of violence.

00:38:28.000 But this is the new FBI, this is the post-9-11 FBI, where they see themselves as having to stop terrorism and stop violent extremism before it happens.

00:38:42.760 And that's a different FBI than the FBI of the past, which is one that investigates lawbreaking that has already occurred and brings it to the courts.

00:38:52.340 This is now the FBI that says, well, we're going to look at people, individuals who might be prone to violence or might be organizing or might be carrying guns.

00:39:04.660 And we're going to define them as domestic violent extremists and handle them in our counterterrorism program because we want to stop violence before it occurs.

00:39:15.320 And it's an interesting paradigm, but it's not necessarily one that comports well with the First Amendment.

00:39:22.340 Bill, what's your social media? How do people find out more about you? Where do they go? Website, books, anything?

00:39:32.480 I have a sub stack that one can also subscribe to, but mostly I write cover stories for Newsweek.

00:39:40.840 And my last story was about the CIA in Ukraine.

00:39:44.980 This story is about the FBI and its role in domestic violent extremism.

00:39:50.740 People can follow my writing.

00:39:52.780 And look, I'm an old guy, Steve.

00:39:55.500 I don't write as much as I used to, but I try to keep my finger on the pulse of the intelligence community and write the stories that no one else is writing.

00:40:07.580 Bill Arkin, honored to have you on here.

00:40:09.600 Look forward to having you back.

00:40:10.640 I want everybody to read this story today.

00:40:12.020 I want everybody to be a force multiplier and have every person you know read this story.

00:40:16.080 Thank you, sir.

00:40:17.560 Thank you.

00:40:18.240 Tell you, Newsweek, Newsweek does some great work.

00:40:22.240 Mike Lindell might disagree with me this morning on that, but they generally do some great work.

00:40:26.700 Jack Posobiec, you, as you often do, give me a heads up.

00:40:30.740 He said, Steve, this is an incredibly important story.

00:40:34.360 I want to save those clips.

00:40:35.860 I want to play those for Jack later.

00:40:38.120 Jack, your assessment.

00:40:39.560 Steve, we've reached the stage in a one-party state whereby in the institutions of that state, and whether you're talking about the USSR or whether you're talking about communist China under Mao Zedong, of which I've done an entire series on this.

00:41:04.780 People can go read the China files, they can go watch the China files, it's out there.

00:41:09.780 We've reached now the stage where the internal organs of the state are now being turned against dissidents.

00:41:18.840 This is what Beria was used for in the People's Commissariat on Internal Affairs, or as more people would know of it, the NKVD.

00:41:29.700 This is also how the Red Guards were later used by Chairman Mao in the Communist Revolution, the Cultural Revolution after the Communist Revolution in the 1960s.

00:41:41.480 And I want people to go through and look at the series of events that we see here.

00:41:45.720 Biden delivers a series of speeches, not just one speech, a series of speeches on MAGA extremism.

00:41:54.480 Then we get the Newsweek report, Newsweek reports that the FBI has set up this secret task force targeting MAGA.

00:42:02.620 Then Hillary comes out calling for MAGA deprogramming centers to be set up to treat them as cultists. 0.91

00:42:10.440 And I want to go in and read the exact phrase that is used, A-G-A-A-V-E, anti-government, this is the FBI's term specifically for MAGA, anti-government, anti-authority, violent extremism.

00:42:28.440 Steve, in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, when you see those men, those dissidents that are standing in the middle of the courtyards or the soccer fields before they are either executed or tortured in public,

00:42:44.960 they have those signs around their necks and then their name is at the bottom of the sign, but on the top of the sign, do you know what it actually says right there?

00:42:54.060 Anti-government extremist, anti-party extremist, anti-revolutionary extremist.

00:43:01.740 So these types of phrases are not new.

00:43:06.040 We're actually found throughout history, specifically the communist history that has become the secret communist history because our textbooks don't teach us about this.

00:43:16.940 They won't even teach about Christopher Columbus to kids anymore in schools.

00:43:20.460 So, of course, they're not going to teach us about the actual history of Mao's China or Stalin's Russia because this is exactly what was done.

00:43:29.180 First, they purge the ranks using the vaccine, using all sorts of features to go through in the early stages of the Biden regime to purge the ranks of the FBI and the military to make sure that only the ideologically compatible members still stayed,

00:43:46.080 or at least the ones who were willing to go along with the new push.

00:43:49.420 Now that they've made sure that the ideological purity of the national security forces is intact, now they can turn those state apparatuses against dissidents.

00:44:02.260 That's exactly what we're seeing.

00:44:03.660 This is played out throughout history.

00:44:06.860 Please hang on for a second.

00:44:08.480 I mean, this is why Posobiec's so important.

00:44:11.480 Former naval intelligence officer, speaks perfect Mandarin, was stationed in the mainland, understands history in a very deep way.

00:44:18.420 But, um, this could not get more serious in the United States of America.

00:44:27.220 Think about that for a second.

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00:46:45.580 Get up to speed on everything that's going on.

00:46:48.440 And ask Philip Patrick and the team about why the Federal Reserve is spending so much time printing money to pay for the elites' debacles.

00:46:55.460 Ukraine being one of them.

00:46:58.040 And working on a central bank digital currency.

00:47:00.300 While the BRICS nation's central banks are buying gold at record rates.

00:47:05.480 Ask Philip and the team that.

00:47:07.340 Wait for the answer.

00:47:09.580 Jack Posobiec.

00:47:10.620 You see where the source of chaos.

00:47:13.040 But when you actually see the stories themselves.

00:47:16.260 The war room posse.

00:47:17.540 Not only is the driver of change in this country.

00:47:19.660 They are the foundational stability element of this nation.

00:47:24.000 And that's what they've been fighting for.

00:47:25.360 But tell me about, in this theory of totalitarianism and authoritarianism, we have this term called the kulaks.

00:47:32.700 And the kulaks are always the top target of the state. 1.00

00:47:37.840 Is that what William Arkin, Bill Arkin's article is telling us, sir?

00:47:42.600 So, Steve, during, and really under Lenin's Russia, even before Stalin got fully involved.

00:47:50.280 And early on in China, people know, of course, of the great leap forward.

00:47:55.360 There's always this group, particularly, actually, farmers are one of the top targets of this.

00:48:02.460 But really, when you look at the way the U.S. is positioned, we have farmers, but also the middle class in general.

00:48:08.540 These are the people who refuse to go along with collectivization.

00:48:12.960 These are the people who refuse to go along to see their land seized, to see their holdings taken,

00:48:19.080 to the people who refuse to say that I will own nothing and be happy.

00:48:23.580 So there was a process, a campaign that was launched in the 1910s, really 1917 in Russia, all the way up to the 1930s, called dekulakization.

00:48:33.360 And essentially, if you refuse to go along with the revolution, if you refuse to go along with the party,

00:48:39.420 if you refuse to have your lands taken, your cattle, your livestock, your holdings, your gold, your iron, right?

00:48:45.600 That was in the great leap forward.

00:48:48.320 Iron was a huge piece.

00:48:49.200 If you refused, now suddenly you're disobeying government orders.

00:48:53.320 Now suddenly you're disobeying lawful edicts.

00:48:56.020 You're disobeying the police.

00:48:57.120 You're disobeying law enforcement.

00:48:58.640 Now you're seized.

00:48:59.880 Your land is seized.

00:49:00.900 You're thrown in jail.

00:49:02.000 You're deported.

00:49:02.780 Or, in some cases, depending on the level of refusal, you are executed.

00:49:08.480 This was dekulakization. 0.97

00:49:10.960 People have pegged this number at somewhere between 1 to 5 million of these.

00:49:18.500 They're considered the wealthy peasants, the wealthy servants.

00:49:20.720 But hang on.

00:49:21.540 It's also, if you read, remember, the kulaks are not the elite. 0.88

00:49:25.340 You're the head peasant.

00:49:26.340 You're like the organized.

00:49:27.320 Yes.

00:49:27.500 It's like your mom and dad and my mom and dad.

00:49:29.320 You know, they're blue-collar.

00:49:30.120 So people have to say, it's the middle class.

00:49:31.820 The middle class.

00:49:33.940 Middle class, yeah.

00:49:35.480 If you look at Jack Posobiec and his lovely wife and the kids, the kids are always dressed.

00:49:40.880 You know, they're the kulaks. 1.00

00:49:42.540 They're the organized ones.

00:49:43.740 They're the ones the neighborhood looks up to, right?

00:49:46.660 They knew they had to take these people out because the neighborhood, the rest of the peasants look up to them as, like, the squared away, the most squared away peasants.

00:49:54.660 You read Ann Appelbaum's book, Red Harvest, in Ukraine, the 5 million they starved to death.

00:50:00.460 The first thing they did was to go in and take out the kulaks because the kulaks were the organized farmers and they couldn't collectivize until the kulaks were gone. 1.00

00:50:07.780 Same in Mao's Red China. 0.63

00:50:10.320 The Cultural Revolution, really, they went out to take out the kulaks. 1.00

00:50:15.260 The kulaks, in fact, the great leap forward. 0.93

00:50:18.180 The first thing that goes is the kulaks. 1.00

00:50:19.800 Why do they have to go and take out the head peasants, the squared away peasants, basically the war room posse?

00:50:26.220 Why is that always what they target, Jack Posobiec?

00:50:30.440 Well, because, Steve, these are the people who not only have something to lose.

00:50:35.500 These are the people who are willing to fight to prevent someone from taking it back from them and who have the means, the ability, and the resources to fight back.

00:50:46.680 And particularly, by the way, this goes hand in hand with the targeting of, as you already said, the targeting of religious leaders.

00:50:55.740 So religious leaders who are leading the kulaks, right? 0.99

00:50:59.820 So this becomes your priests.

00:51:01.260 This becomes nuns.

00:51:02.940 You saw the mass execution of nuns that was done in France under the Jacobins, under Robespierre, one of the last mass executions before he was led himself to the guillotine.

00:51:11.300 I mean, this was the exact same thing that you'd see.

00:51:14.180 So the targeting of religious, the targeting of the upper class peasantry must be done because they represent the only lines of dissent and only lines of meaningful retrenchment against total control.

00:51:31.520 You're the final line of defense.

00:51:32.700 When we say Ted Penance, you're not wealthy.

00:51:35.540 You're the underpinnings of civic society.

00:51:38.200 You're the stability factor.

00:51:40.160 You're the one people look up to because of the way you're a good householder, because of the way you comport yourself.

00:51:45.720 It's this audience.

00:51:46.640 It's you.

00:51:47.460 I don't care where you are in this country.

00:51:48.960 If you're driving to work, if you're going somewhere, if you're at your home, it's you.

00:51:53.880 Throughout history.

00:51:54.760 They can't have total compliance and total control before you're taken out.

00:52:00.420 From the French Revolution to the Bolsheviks to Mao Zedong, all of it across the board.

00:52:07.460 The head peasants, the squared away peasants, the peasants that are the good householders and the underpinnings of civic society.

00:52:16.120 Burks, what do they call them? 1.00

00:52:17.840 The little divisions?

00:52:19.800 You.

00:52:20.380 Little divisions.

00:52:21.140 The little divisions.

00:52:21.960 The little divisions.

00:52:24.760 Soccer coaches, soccer moms, all of it.

00:52:29.060 You've given us so much time to stay, but I've got to hold you, Jack, because we've got to get into the speaker's situation.

00:52:39.340 Because it is pertinent to the topics we've talked about in the first hour of the show.

00:52:44.200 And my question is, when I get back with Jack Posobiec, is how have we, this is about performative versus we don't have time for happy talk anymore.

00:52:55.620 We don't have time for the RNC talking points or the monotonous talking points you get all day long on Fox, on Murdoch, on the Murdoch News Network.

00:53:04.500 We need action, action, action, no more talk.

00:53:10.340 And we're going to get into this whole speaker's race.

00:53:13.100 And my question is, how has the weaponization committee been around for a year and all this, and you get Ray up there, and Bill Arkin drops a bomb that MAGA has been specifically targeted with a secret unit at the FBI.

00:53:27.840 And we have to wait until Bill Arkin puts the story in the cover of Newsweek magazine.

00:53:33.620 I thought the whole purpose of having the House was to make sure that this didn't happen, that this was exposed, that people were held accountable.

00:53:42.200 We're in October of 2023.

00:53:45.820 Newsweek magazine has it.

00:53:47.320 Why has the House investigative apparatus that we were told the other day when they defended McCarthy how magnificent they have and done and what all the great things they've done.

00:53:59.700 We're going to drill down it with Jack Posobiec next in the war room.

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Bannon's War Room - October 06, 2023

Episode 3081： They Want A Formal Deprograming OF The MAGA Cult

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