Sen. Cory Booker (D-New Jersey) and Rep. Adam Kinzler (R-Illinois) join me in The War Room to discuss the latest in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the 14th Amendment, and much more.
00:00:00.000Would you be comfortable then with a short-term funding bill that funds the government, say, until January or perhaps April?
00:00:06.980Is that something that you're considering?
00:00:10.460Well, I've talked to my colleagues about this in the race for the in the speaker's race.
00:00:15.900I mentioned that I would favor as for purposes of discussion to build consensus around if there indeed has to be a stopgap funding measure that we would do that until January 15th.
00:00:26.660And the reason for that is it gets us beyond the end of the year push.
00:00:30.940And oftentimes the Senate tries to jam the House and force an omnibus spending bill.
00:02:20.020We've also seen the Israeli troops coming under fire, apparently, from Hamas.
00:02:25.040We are now talking about a phase of street-to-street fighting.
00:02:29.740We have also just heard from witnesses that Israeli tanks, according to witnesses that have spoken to our crew,
00:02:36.460are on the main road, the Salah al-Din road, which runs from the north to the south of the Gaza Strip.
00:02:43.120That would make it impossible or at least very difficult for Palestinians to follow Israeli orders to go from the north, to go from the south.
00:02:52.040Israel has repeated those orders with greater urgency this weekend, dropping leaflets, telling people to immediately leave Gaza City,
00:03:00.180leave all the areas in the north, to come out with their hands up, to carry white flags, if possible, and to head south.
00:03:06.580But now with these reports of Israeli troops cutting that road, it makes that mission far more complicated, far more dangerous.
00:03:55.960Mike, you've warned us about this from the beginning, from the very first time that the Federalist Society Constitutional Scholars raises up the flagpole,
00:04:04.140and you said this is completely unconstitutional, total madness, but it's going to get some traction somewhere,
00:04:10.440and it looks like it's gotten it in your second home, your beloved Colorado, sir.
00:04:15.080Yeah, I'm in the Denver District Court right now, and the trial is starting in front of this Democrats-appointed Denver District Court judge, Sarah Wallace.
00:04:26.020She just donated last year, before she became a federal judge, to an organization that is trying to go after elected officials who supported Trump on January 6th.
00:04:37.760This organization is trying to get them thrown out of office, and this Democrat judge in Denver, Sarah Wallace, donated to that organization.
00:04:48.420President Trump has filed a motion for her to recuse.
00:04:50.820She will decide that this morning, presumably, and I presume she'll deny that motion, which is reversible error, but I don't think the Democrats care.
00:04:58.980Remember, these are the Democrats who impeached President Trump for nonsense.
00:05:03.160They indicted him four times for non-crimes.
00:05:06.460They even brought a civil fraud lawsuit to bankrupt his family business for the non-fraud of a businessman paying back sophisticated Wall Street banks in full on time as agreed with interest.
00:05:19.380And so they saw President Trump's poll numbers go up.
00:05:22.280They see that he's going to beat President Biden like a drum on November 5th, 2024.
00:05:27.460So now this is their legal harem Hail Mary.
00:05:29.940They want to use a post-Civil War constitutional amendment, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment,
00:05:36.460that is intended to disqualify Confederate sympathizers who engaged in insurrection during the Civil War from federal office.
00:05:43.700These Democrats around the country are trying to disqualify President Trump, take him off the ballot in key states.
00:05:50.340They're starting here in Colorado, a blue state, and they're going to use that precedent in swing states like Michigan to just take Trump off the ballot.
00:06:05.480There is a court case from 1869 that addressed this point directly, that Chief Justice Samuel Chase heard this back in 1869 when they were trying to disqualify people from running from office.
00:06:20.440As Confederate sympathizers and insurrectionists from running for office, and Chief Justice Samuel Chase clearly held that if you want to disqualify under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment for engaging in insurrection or rebellion,
00:06:32.560Congress has to pass a federal criminal statute under Section 5 of the 14th Amendment.
00:06:40.420Congress passed an insurrection or rebellion statute that disqualifies.
00:06:44.340So if you want to disqualify Trump or any other candidate, you have to bring federal criminal charges in a federal criminal court and get a federal criminal jury to unanimously find that defendant was guilty under that specific insurrection or rebellion criminal statute.
00:07:00.620It has to be – the district court judge has to convict, and it has to be upheld on appeal.
00:07:06.060That is the only way you can remove for insurrection or rebellion, to disqualify for insurrection or rebellion under the 14th Amendment.
00:07:13.660The qualifications to be president are laid out in the Constitution, and if you want to disqualify, you have to go through that federal criminal statute.
00:07:22.660Does the J6 – does insane Jack Smith, this J6 charge he's bringing to the president, would that qualify?
00:07:31.940He's not – remember, the Democrats have spent tens of millions of dollars between the January 6th nonsense with Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney and Kinzinger.
00:07:43.100They spent tens of millions of dollars.
00:07:45.920You've had Jack Smith and the federal government spending tens of millions of dollars.
00:07:51.160You have private organizations spending a lot of money.
00:07:53.280They have been searching for evidence for insurrection or rebellion on Trump since January 6th, and they can't find it because it does not exist.
00:08:02.100How many insurrectionists get to the Senate floor of a nation's capital and walk through velvet ropes and follow police direction and don't burn down the damn place?
00:08:12.440January 6th was a lawful protest permitted by the National Park Service that got out of control and turned into a right.
00:08:20.780It was not an insurrection, and that's why even Jack Smith, even deranged Jack Smith, has not charged insurrection because the evidence does not exist.
00:08:32.980You said at the very beginning, I think, just like in Mar-a-Lago, we had you on the first day, and you said how that was going to metastasize extra-legally.
00:08:40.220Here, this is about the politics and the optics and pounding the Denver media market with this, right?
00:08:51.000This is the manifestation of lawfare, that they're using it for political, and what they hope to do is just bombard the airwaves in Denver that Trump's an insurrectionist, Trump's an insurrectionist, Trump's an insurrectionist.
00:09:06.660Well, I mean, I think that's part of what they do, what's going to happen.
00:09:09.320But I actually think that this Denver district court judge, Cheryl Wallace, is going to disqualify Trump from the ballot in Colorado.
00:09:15.900It's going to go to the Colorado Court of Appeals.
00:09:18.640I think the Colorado Court of Appeals will affirm because you've had Democrats control Colorado for a long time, and you have all these whack-job judges they've appointed.
00:09:28.060And then the Colorado Supreme Court will probably affirm as well.
00:09:31.080So this will have to get resolved by the Supreme Court of the United States, and they have discretionary review.
00:09:37.420But even these judges, these Supreme Court justices who have lifetime tenure on paper, they have to find a backbone.
00:09:52.760The court is who has reviewed the motion to recuse that was filed yesterday, as well as the exhibits.
00:10:03.860I do not dispute that in October 22nd, prior to taking the bench, I apparently gave a $100 contribution to the Colorado Turnout Project.
00:10:15.440That being said, prior to yesterday, I was not cognizant of this organization or its mission.
00:10:22.760It has always been my practice, whether I was entirely successful or not, to make contributions to individuals, not PACs.
00:10:32.020While I have no specific memory of this contribution, it was my practice and my intention to contribute to an individual candidate, not a PAC.
00:10:41.860I can assure all of the litigants in this litigation, that prior to the start of this litigation, and to this day, I have formed no opinion.
00:10:54.880Whether the events of January 6th constituted an insurrection, or whether intervener Trump engaged in an insurrection, or for that matter, any of the issues that need to be cited in this hearing, if I did, I would recuse myself.
00:11:12.180But because I don't, I deny the motion for recusable.
00:11:16.720I want to start with some ground rules.
00:11:21.820The petitioners, the petitioners, and Secretary Griswold have a combined 18 hours of testimony, evidence, and arguments, and the interveners have a combined 18 hours.
00:11:38.520You may use them as you wish, so long as they are productive, and respect the court.
00:11:43.660As I said, if something is relevant, then I will likely allow the subject to be explored.
00:11:57.820I will not, however, allow this proceeding to turn into a circus.
00:12:02.880I also think that it is worth repeating that to the extent that we have discussions on the record regarding evidence and whether it should be allowed in,
00:12:10.020I will count that time against the party who is objecting to the evidence.
00:12:15.520Because I am the judge, I may ask questions.
00:12:19.200Do not infer anything by my questions.
00:12:24.300Petitioners, are you planning on making an opening statement, or do you intend to go straight to the evidence?
00:12:33.520Your Honor, we will make an opening statement, and then we have a few preliminary issues as well.
00:14:16.460This judge, Sarah Wallace, has already made a reversible legal error.
00:14:22.000President Trump filed a motion to recuse her because she donated to an organization with its mission – whose sole mission is to chase from elected office people who supported Trump on January 6th.
00:14:34.400That is clearly, objectively, an appearance of bias and a minimum, if not subjectively biased.
00:14:41.880This judge admitted to making that donation, but then she said that it doesn't matter that she made that donation.
00:14:48.220She didn't remember making that donation, that she could be fair to Trump regardless.
00:14:55.500Whether she can subjectively be fair to President Trump or she claims she can subjectively be fair to President Trump is not the legal standard.
00:15:04.400There is an objective legal standard, which is, does it look like she could be fair to President Trump?
00:15:09.980And anyone with a brain can say that she can't objectively be fair to President Trump when she made a donation last year to a political pact to chase out-of-office people who supported Trump on January 6th.
00:15:23.240Last month, the G20 announced a plan to impose digital currencies and digital IDs on their respective populations.
00:17:48.260Denver is the, is where the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, the Federal Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit is based.
00:17:54.800And former Judge Michael McConnell, certainly no Trump fan, is a current Stanford law professor.
00:18:02.640And he wrote an opinion piece on this several months ago, making the same argument that President Trump is making today.
00:18:09.480Which is, if you want to disqualify a candidate under the 14th Amendment, you have to charge him under the federal criminal statute that deals with insurrection or rebellion.
00:18:19.660A unanimous jury, a judge has to convict, it has to be upheld on appeal.
00:18:25.660Even with deranged Jack Smith and obnoxiously partisan Tanya Shuckin, if they had this evidence, they would have charged Trump.
00:18:34.400No question, they don't have this evidence it doesn't exist because there was no insurrection.
00:18:40.720Again, how many insurrections get to the Senate floor of the nation's capital, walk through velvet ropes, follow police direction, and don't burn down the damn place.
00:18:48.580It was a protest, a legal protest that turned into a riot.
00:18:55.520Mike, how long do you think this trial will last?
00:18:58.420Well, it's supposedly going to last maybe through this Friday.
00:19:04.280It could be done as early as Wednesday, but it looks like it could go until Friday.
00:19:08.860And then this biased, objectively biased Denver district court judge, Sarah Wallace, will have to decide whether she's going to disqualify a leading presidential candidate from the ballot, take away that choice from Colorado voters.
00:19:23.720Nothing screams democracy like indicting your political opponent, trying to put him in prison, trying to bankrupt him.
00:19:31.340And if that doesn't work, just taking him off the ballot so the American people don't have a choice.
00:19:37.260I want to make sure the people are learning the lesson here about losing these states.
00:19:41.500Talk to me, go back again about the Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court in Colorado.
00:19:45.500What do you believe, even with her radical judgment, illegal, extra legal judgment, what do you think just in process is going to happen at the appeals and at the Supreme Court of Colorado?
00:19:58.020I think that this is a hopeless cause here in Colorado.
00:20:03.080When you don't win elections, this used to be a red state up until about 2006.
00:20:09.240Then it became a swing state when the current governor, Jared Polis, a billionaire, pumped a bunch of left-wing money into the state.
00:20:17.860And then when they did all-mail ballots, the state gradually became blue.
00:20:21.600And I lived here during this time, for 10 years during this time.
00:20:24.160They legalized marijuana, all these dirtbags from New York and California, who ruined New York and California, moved to Colorado like COVID, cultural COVID.
00:20:34.420They came here, and then they ruined Colorado like locusts.
00:20:37.840And you see that this is an all-blue state now.
00:20:41.240Every statewide office, every court in Denver, the Court of Appeals, the Colorado Supreme Court, it is Democrat-controlled.
00:20:48.540And, Mike, we've said a lot, Steve, not our parents or grandparents, Democratic Party, not liberals who love America and just disagree with us on the best way to get there.
00:20:59.740Let's pick up the opening arguments right now.
00:21:03.960With respect to the witness withdrawals, we feel the petitioner's pain.
00:21:09.320And with respect to the exhibits, we will maintain our objections, and I understand the posture of the court, particularly the objections with respect to Mr. Giuliani's and Mr. Eastman's speech.
00:21:24.860They're not the ones on trial here today.
00:21:26.660We're talking about whether President Trump engaged in activities, not whether they and they were not President Trump when they made those speeches.
00:21:37.580So we would maintain those objections.
00:21:40.040With respect to 73 and 126, we'll have to take a look at that a little bit closer, Your Honor.
00:21:44.780I confess that I don't have all 100 and whatever exhibits fully committed to memory at this point.
00:21:54.060With respect to some of our points, just to point out, and I know the court has been very diligent in producing orders on issues,
00:22:03.940I think we still have a specific intent motion outstanding as far as that, as well as the First Amendment motion to dismiss.
00:22:12.880I'm assuming the court will take those issues under advisement, but I want to at least point that out.
00:22:17.340We have one witness who has concerns about some of the legal threats that have been levied.
00:22:24.440They're going through, I've got to learn to use my technology.
00:22:32.240We're going to come back when they're doing the opening arguments.
00:22:36.160Mike Davis, what should we look for in the opening arguments today?
00:22:38.540And how did this kind of, we've been following it, but all of a sudden metastasized to like the trials on Monday.
00:22:45.220How is the Trump team not able to get delays on this?
00:22:48.980Well, I mean, when you have a partisan, clearly, objectively biased Denver District Court Sarah Wallace,
00:22:57.220he has rejected all of their legal arguments before the trial,
00:23:01.140and it sounds like she's going to reject all of their legal arguments during the trial.
00:23:05.820I think she's preordained to rule against Trump.
00:23:09.160At least that's what, objectively, the evidence looks like when she donated last year to an organization with its sole mission,
00:23:17.600a PAC with its sole mission of chasing out-of-office people who supported Trump on January 6th.
00:23:22.600So you ask anyone, objectively, who's not a complete, deranged, left-wing partisan,
00:23:29.080if that sounds like President Trump is going to get a fair shake in front of this Denver District Court Judge Sarah Wallace.
00:32:24.440We'll also hear from Representative Eric Swalwell, who will explain how that mob disrupted the core constitutional process of the peaceful transfer of power.
00:32:34.060We'll also hear from Professor Gerard Magliocca.
00:32:39.620He is one of the nation's leading experts on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
00:32:45.440He's written several peer-reviewed articles on Section 3 and many articles and books on the history of the 14th Amendment.
00:32:52.440He will explain that when the 14th Amendment was ratified, insurrection against the Constitution referred to any public use or threat of violence by a group to prevent or hinder the execution of the Constitution.
00:33:08.440January 6th easily meets that standard.
00:33:13.900Trump assembled a violent mob that tried to prevent the constitutional transfer of power and did, in fact, stop that transfer of power for some time.
00:33:25.040Now, turning to President Trump's role in all of this, he engaged in this insurrection on January 6th.
00:33:31.440He began by undermining the process for selecting a president and sowing doubts about elections.
00:33:40.320This early pattern of behavior shows Trump's use of common extremist tactics using language that played into existing conspiracy theories.
00:33:49.900He was a leading proponent of the birther myth about President Obama.
00:33:53.760He questioned the validity of elections, even the one he won in 2016, claiming he actually got millions more popular votes than he really did.
00:34:03.300And leading up to the 2020 election, he developed a plan to cast doubt on the results.
00:34:09.740And after the election, he quickly focused on the January 6th transfer of power to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
00:34:17.940In December, he started laying the groundwork for disrupting the constitutional process on January 6th.
00:34:26.080On December 19th, he posted that there will be a big protest in D.C. on January 6th.
00:35:02.060We'll hear about the importance of that language later on.
00:35:06.780Again, talking about the 6th, over and over again.
00:35:09.420Here, he retweeted a claim that, quote, the Calvary was coming.
00:35:13.940We'll hear about Trump's invocation of military terms to support and rile up his supporters.
00:35:21.260More admonitions come to D.C. on January 6th, over and over and over again.
00:35:27.500And then, on January 6th, he reposted his speech.
00:35:40.420Now, in addition to this drumbeat of pleas to his supporters to have them come to Washington to disrupt the transfer of power on January 6th,
00:35:54.420he made repeated, deliberate statements to bring a mob primed for violence to D.C. on January 6th.
00:36:02.420He refused to criticize the Proud Boys, an important part of the insurrection on January 6th, in a presidential debate,
00:36:10.680and instead told them to stand back and stand by.
00:36:14.120Leading up to January 6th, he praised the Trump train,
00:36:30.440which was a group of trucks that intimidated and forced Biden campaign workers on a bus off a highway in Texas.
00:36:36.300He tweeted, I love Texas, with this video.
00:50:12.880So, within 30 minutes of the tweet, we see the picture from the same vantage point we saw before.
00:50:23.040The crowd had overrun the barriers, but this was the back of the crowd.
00:50:28.360This was a crowd that was not the front line of the attack of the assault on our constitutional process.
00:50:35.720We have video that shows Officer Hodges, within 30 minutes of the tweet, he had retreated to the tunnel and was trying to defend the tunnel against this mob.
00:50:48.060The crowd had retreated to the tunnel and was trying to defend the tunnel against this mob.
00:51:18.040That is Officer Hodges, who you'll hear from shortly.
00:51:26.740This was an interruption that Trump led.
00:51:30.480As we've seen, he summoned and organized the mob.
00:51:35.100He gave the mob a common purpose, disrupt Mike Pence's certification of the election.
00:51:41.660He did that by inciting the mob at the Ellipse.
00:51:45.780He knew that mob was armed and dangerous.
00:51:50.120He told the mob to go to the Capitol with him.
00:51:53.700Once they were there and not sufficiently violent, he incited the mob with that 2.24 p.m. tweet and others that followed.
00:52:04.700And importantly, he helped the mob by refusing to mobilize resources to stop the attack.
00:52:14.320He spent three hours watching it unfold on TV without doing a single thing, even though he was the most powerful person in the world.
00:52:25.160Now, what does Trump say in response to this overwhelming evidence?
00:53:30.020But it was Trump's dereliction of duty in violation of his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution that caused the constitutional process to stop.
00:53:42.260You'll hear from national security expert Bill Banks, who's dedicated his career to the safety of our nation, studying how it works.
00:53:52.360He wrote a book recently called Soldiers on the Homefront, the Domestic Role of the American Military.
00:53:57.380He explains that Trump did not use the available federal resources.
00:54:03.720In fact, Trump didn't use the resources he used in response to other threats, like the Black Lives Matter protest at Lafayette Square,
00:54:10.880where they used tear gas and federal agents to clear the square very violently.
00:54:17.960Now, Trump is going to call witnesses, we understand, to say that he tried to put people in place to defend the Capitol before January 6th.