Episode 3172： Failure Of The RNC; Targeting The Administrative State
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On today's show, we have a special bonus episode featuring a visit from the factory floor of MyPillow Slippers! We talk about the budget, Ukraine, Israel, and much more. Also, we discuss the latest on the latest in the Trump/Biden/Macron trade war and much, much more!
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Are you concerned about Ukraine and Israel aid passing? Do you think it can get done before the
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end of the year? It has to get done by the end of the year. Will it? I'm going to predict it will.
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Sometimes, you know, in this business, I've learned that there are moments when you can't fail
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and you can't necessarily see the path to get there, but you get there. Ukraine is running
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out of bullets for their guns. Israel desperately needs our support right now. Republicans in the
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Senate have said that they want there to be some border provisions as part of this package to move
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forward. Some of us are trying to work hard to meet those Republican concerns. I don't know
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whether we'll get there, but there are a lot of people of goodwill trying hard to get money for
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Ukraine, for Israel. By the end of the year, I think it will get. Okay. This budget fight,
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you see they're going to throw Ukraine, Israel, all of it. They don't, you know, you see never
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Okay, we're going to do, this afternoon, we're going to get into more of President Trump's
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strategy. They're going on offense this week in this federal court in, excuse me, state
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court with the Nazi judge in New York City. Caroline Wren, you took your best shot. You
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took your best shot in Laguna, right? Back, I think it was in January or February. You
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took your best shot. You guys came up with a third of the vote and two-thirds of the vote
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were against you, and you had 100% of the grassroots. So what are you bitching about now? Why are you
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crying? You already lost. Rana's in. I don't know. Trump kind of gave her a semi-endorsement.
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So what's your beef? Well, I would argue we took our best shot in January against Kevin
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McCarthy, and then after nine months of not complying and not doing what he said he would
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do, we brought that battle back to the people and we won. So I'm certainly not just going to
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sit on the sidelines and say, oh, shoot, we lost that one. Let's just have Rana oversee another
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failure of election. So I'm not done fighting on this, and I don't know what the exact route is,
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but I do know that I'm going to continue to speak out. And, you know, we can't continue to just lose
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and, you know, just sweep it under the rug. That's not how this is going to work. Rana
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went on an apology tour all weekend with these heinous interviews. She was on CNN, Meet the
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Press, and she was doing the same thing she does after each of the losses she's overseen
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since 2017. This time she was blaming bad candidates, of course, and bad messaging.
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Give me a break. The Democrats put up brain-dead candidates. Joe Biden, John Fetterman, Katie
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Hobbs. We don't have bad candidates. We have bad leadership. She also went on again and started
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to blame abortion. And you know what? In regards to abortion, there's absolutely, there's no doubt
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that we have a problem there. But the issue really with Rana is that she blamed abortion
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after the disastrous 2022 midterm elections. Then earlier this year, remember, she blamed abortion
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on that Wisconsin Supreme Court special election that we lost by like 14 points. And now she was
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blaming it again. And the thing is, you are the RNC chair. Your job is to find solutions. And I don't
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want any more excuses. The buck stops with you. You're the head of our party and you're in command
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and you continue to fail and you continue to make up excuses for those failures. And I'm
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done with it. The other thing she did on television, which was outrageous this weekend, is she said
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the RNC was not involved in the Virginia races because we're a federal committee and we legally
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can't be involved in state legislative races. Well, then meanwhile, the DNC was bragging about
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spending $1.2 million. So which is it, Rana? Did either you're lying to us and you lied on television
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by saying the RNC couldn't be involved or the DNC committed a massive campaign finance violation
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and you should be in court. So, you know, I'm sick of the excuses. We should continue to call it out.
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And we, I think that she should resign. I'm going to continue to call on that. And I think others
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should as well. I'm going to have in a minute, Paul Danz is going to join me in studio and then
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we'll get Russ Fodon. The papers for the last week, the New York Times with Swan, Savage and Haberman
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have been doing amazing work on every aspect of when President Trump wins in November and
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we take the government, we step in, we're going to have 3,000 people ready to go. We're going
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to have policies ready to go. Axios is reporting today and that's why I asked Paul to come in
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and Morning Joe is literally in meltdown for the entire show. We're going to do clips from
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that. On one aspect, you've got these outside groups, you have Paul Danz, you've got Johnny
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McEntee, you've got Russ Fodon, you've got Dr. Roberts over at Heritage, you've got all these
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big brains and it's a systematic program to make sure that it doesn't happen in 2016 where we really
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didn't have people, we weren't ready, now we're ready. Bang, hit the beach, boom, boom, move inland,
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got it, deconstruct the administrative state. Very well thought through, very organized, lots of
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different people working on it, nobody taking credit, but everybody moving forward. Where are
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we, if I look at the aspect the RNC should be doing, Caroline Wren, help me out here. Where is
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the equivalent program on making sure they cannot steal the elections state by state? Is the RNC
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presented anything to you, giving you a scintilla of evidence that they're on top of? We know from
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the polling, MAGA's ascended and Trump is leading the nation, right? This could be a landslide. We
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know also that President Trump and his team are working day in and day out on policies on specific
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economic, immigration, geopolitical, military, social across the board. The one thing that's out there is
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how do we know in delivering another, you know, massive turnout, 74, 78, 80, 85 million votes,
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that it's not stolen. Where is the RNC in that? And have you seen the scintilla evidence
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that they have lifted a finger to do anything about it?
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No, I haven't. And I'm getting frustrated too. I think it's great that we're laying out all these
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detailed plans for President Trump's next term, but like we, we have to get him there. Anyone who
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is spending any of their time, effort or money on not winning elections right now and making sure we
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have the infrastructure and a path to victory. And I think it's a total waste of time. And I think it's
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a waste of resources and money people are funding. I mean, I love AFPI and I love Heritage Foundation,
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what they're doing, but that is money that is not going to shore up our elections. Right now,
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we should be in court. Do you know that the RNC was claiming they're in 70 lawsuits?
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There was a, like, we were given a massive gift in North, uh, Northampton County, Pennsylvania,
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by the way, last Tuesday, there was a complete malfunction of their voting machines and the problems
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in the county's response have provided the citizens of Pennsylvania, a huge opportunity here
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to get injective relief and get these machines removed. We should be in court. We should be
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funding resources and there's no money yet. I've been on the phone constantly all weekend with
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the folks in Pennsylvania trying to help them. They're creating a C3 to raise money to do these
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lawsuits. So while everyone else is spending 10, $20 million writing up these white papers on,
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you know, who's going to be the treasury secretary, like, my God, why are we doing, we are not going
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to have a new treasury secretary or any of these things until we actually are able to win elections.
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And they are stealing those elections from us and all of our resources, time, money need to be spent
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on lawfare, voter registration and voter turnout. The RNC is incompetent. They are not doing that.
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As far as I could tell, nobody is doing that. And the RNC doesn't have the resources to do it,
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by the way. Just go look at their FEC reports. I mean, we're in what is called an off year for
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fundraising right now. So if you look at the RNC fundraising in a presidential off year to compare
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it, let's say the first nine months of 2015, when Reitz Priebus was chair, they had raised
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$80 million at this point and had $20 million cash on hand. In the first nine months of 2019,
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the RNC had raised $168 million and had $60 million cash on hand. In the first nine months
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of 2023, this year, the RNC has raised $65 million and has less than $9 million cash on hand.
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So there is no war chest. There's no transfers coming to these state parties. There's no cavalry
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coming. We, the people are going to have to do this ourselves, or we need, Rana should do the good
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thing for the country and for our party and resign. And we get someone in who can actually fundraise,
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who can focus on lawfare and who can focus on what the goal of the Republican party should be,
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which is winning elections. So what do you call it for specifically? What's your call to action?
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What do you need this audience to do? There's an RNC meeting of the 168 in Vegas,
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January 30th through February 3rd. And so that's when a new chair could be elected. You know,
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there is no mechanism that I'm aware of to take her out. I just hope that Rana would consider,
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look at the options and just say, look, this is untenable for me. The fundraising is not going
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well. The grassroots, you know, are not connecting with me at all. And I think that we need a new
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leader of the party and she would have to be willing to step down. And then the RNC 168 would
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elect a new leader at that meeting. And so I don't know if she's willing to do the right thing. I
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certainly think we should keep the pressure up and do it because this is a very, very bad
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and dangerous situation. And we need, we need, need, need new leadership.
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I do believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We have to get ready for it. We can't have
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what happened in 16. We have to be ready. That's why people are working so hard. But I also agree
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that the RNC has got to step forward now with as detailed a plan as these other outside groups have
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for deconstructing the administrative state and hitting the deck plates running with policy and
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personnel day one. We need the RNC to come forward today with a plan. If we need to see Rana's plan
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state by state, what you're going to do to ensure a victory here. Caroline, where can people get you?
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This fight is only going to get more intense. Where can people get you?
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They can follow me at Caroline Wren on Twitter, Getter and Truth Social.
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Also, we got many more. We got DC Drainer. We got a lot of people, Scott Pressler. A lot of people have
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very strong ideas about this and we're going to have them all in here. Caroline Wren,
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thank you very much. Look forward to having you back. Thank you.
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OK, here's the news. The news is that a lot of people are already coming out. They don't support the
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CR. I also think that I'm just hearing from the engine room. There may be a vote on Mayorkas's
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He's a badass. All he does is complain about people. A whiny, vengeful, backward-looking
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billionaire. That's forward-looking. That's forward-looking. I want to take on the administrative
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state that's driven this country into the ground. He's not talking about taking on the administrative
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state to help people's lives. He's talking about going after the people that were mean to him.
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He says, oh, I'm going to have the DOJ target Bill Barr because he was mean to me. I'm going to have the DOJ
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target John Kelly because he turned on me. I'm going to have the DOJ target Jack Smith.
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That's all he talks about. He doesn't talk about helping people.
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And also, there's not going to be people in place to stop him. There's no guardrail anymore. There's
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no Mattis. There's no Kelly. It's just pure loyalists.
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Well, that's what scares me because the risk that he's actually affected this go-round. And
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we really got lucky as democracy last go-round that he was so ineffective and had so many blundering
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people appointed and he didn't have the real hardcore people in place to tear open the bureaucracy.
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But this go-round, I'm not so sure. You look at how the Heritage Foundation is so involved in this
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push and they're adding their institutional heft to it. And that's really concerning. And if anyone wants
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to consider Heritage mainstream, if they're processing this kind of federal personnel system,
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Oh, my God. The Heritage Foundation used to be mainstream for conservatives after Ronald Reagan
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got elected. That's really where so much of those ideas got elected. There's nothing Reagan
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asks about this Heritage Foundation. I'm sure Charlie could go on about that for quite some time. And
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we'll talk about that in a little bit. But Jim Vandei, I just want to go back to you and just say,
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he is. Donald Trump is. He's planning it all out. And the problem is, when he starts talking about
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these camps for illegal immigrants, when he starts talking about all these other things,
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he's actually preying upon something that middle-class voters, that swing voters,
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that independent voters are actually worried about. And that is the chaos at the southern border.
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Yeah. I mean, you listen to this conversation and then you look at the polls. Like,
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there's a lot of people who are very susceptible to this. A lot of people out there who feel like
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the immigration laws are way too loose and that the effects of that are bad for society. You look at
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the polls on who do you trust on immigration. He crushes Joe Biden. Who do you trust on crime? He
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crushes Joe Biden. So we should make no mistake that there is 50% plus of the country that's very,
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very open to this message. And I think the reason to listen to what he says and to understand that
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he's going to be way more ready is that there's at least a 50-50 chance he can win the presidency.
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No matter how ludicrous some people might think that is, the numbers are unmistakable. And I think,
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and that's why the work that the Heritage Foundation, like you guys, yes, this is not
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the Ronald Reagan Heritage Foundation, but this isn't the Ronald Reagan party anymore. The party
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is very much Steve Miller and Donald Trump, at least the apparatus. And that's what's different
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this time around. You're going to have think tanks. You're going to have manpower. You're going to have
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ideas. You're going to have lawyers. You're going to have bureaucrats. That one of the things they
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talked about doing that's alarming people at DOD, they want to go through and they want to scrub
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the generals and the flag officers and figure out, are they sufficiently loyal? Why do they want to
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do that? Because some of the greatest handcuffs that were imposed on Trump in the latter days of
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his presidency were by people like General Miley and others or Milley in the DOD saying,
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we're not going to do that. We will not do these things. Well, what happens when you have 40,
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50,000 people in the positions that actually make things happen in government say, hell yeah,
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I'm with you on that. Then things actually get done. It's not just rhetoric. It's action.
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Here's my question. You have a MAGA lawyer who likes to come on your podcast, Mike Davis.
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Here's what he has suggested are the top priorities for Trump's attorney general. One,
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fire the deep state executive branch. Two, indict the whole Biden family. Three,
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deport 10 million people, kids in cages. It will be glorious. Four, detain people at Gitmo. Five,
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pardon every January 6th defendant. What do you think about that five-step plan?
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I think it's fantastic. All five? All five. We're going to start the largest deportation
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program in history. All 10 million must leave. You're saying that it's about people's gut feelings,
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it's about people's lived experiences. You think somebody that's struggling, you think somebody
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that's struggling right now in the economy cares about firing random deep state people,
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indicting Joe Biden's brother, deporting people? Did I say that's all they're going to do? That's Mike
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Davis would probably be the attorney general. No doubt. And I think what you talked about earlier is the
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most important point. We always get sidetracked sometimes by the rhetoric that Trump uses. He's
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being very, very specific with us about what he's going to do. The New York Times has done a fabulous
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series with Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, Charlie Savage, detailing that. And everybody watching this
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should look at it because it's using his words to show what a second term would look like. We have
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reporting this morning that what's different if he wins is that he's going to come into office with an
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army of 40,000 to 50,000 people ready to staff the government. He's not going to have the
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restraints of cabinet officials who disagree with him. He's going to do everything he can to purge
00:21:43.100
anybody who's professional staff who's been there a long time. And he's going to have a year's worth
00:21:48.220
of vetting. They're doing surveys of these people. They're asking them about their ideology,
00:21:53.020
books they've read. Name one figure who you who you believe captures your spirit,
00:21:59.260
your political philosophy. I think the obvious answer there for a lot of them is going to be
00:22:03.100
Trump. And if you answer Trump, you pass this loyalty test, then they can put you into the
00:22:08.620
bowels of government where the action happens. It's one thing to have rhetoric. It's another thing
00:22:13.980
to take the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice,
00:22:19.740
and put in there people who believe what Trump believes so that you can do the things that he says
00:22:26.860
he's going to do. So I won't just assume he's saying these things and it's bombast. He's going
00:22:31.420
to come in hell bent on doing it. And this time, there's going to be a much more organized government
00:22:36.540
to be able to do it, which is why I do think this is the most important election of our lifetime,
00:22:41.340
because the contrast is massive. And I think both sides would come in with teams ready to do what they
00:22:47.420
want to do. OK, but as long as he is around, everyone has to kiss the ring. Everyone has to espouse the
00:22:54.460
fake election fraud or else they are they're excommunicated, not excommunicated, but you're
00:22:59.180
not part of this movement. This is kind of the inner workings of this civil war between the
00:23:04.540
Republican establishment and MAGA. And in there you have litmus test. OK, and one of the litmus test
00:23:09.820
is not just President Trump, but also particularly the stealing of the 2020 election. That is a
00:23:17.260
fundamental tenet of this movement. By the way, they've made it all about Trump. OK, this movement is
00:23:22.700
ascended and is going to go on long after Donald Trump is going to get more powerful and broader.
00:23:27.580
Even if a Democrat was to win, there's no compromise here. What you're saying is even if
00:23:32.300
Trump lost to Biden, there's no going back to the old Republican party. No, it's farther right than
00:23:36.460
Trump. Farther right. President Trump is a moderate in our movement. You're going to pine in future years
00:23:43.980
As much as they demonize Trump, they're going to wish they had Trump. I'm telling you, President
00:23:54.220
Trump is a moderate with discernment, a good man, a man of character and a caring individual.
00:24:03.740
But there's no more. President Trump, one of his best phrases he has, if you're in the inside,
00:24:07.500
no more games. I don't play any more games. Right now, there are dedicated men and women out there
00:24:14.060
every day that are working on this project to make sure that in the second Trump term,
00:24:18.780
we don't have the issues we had in the first, particularly the beginning, with not enough
00:24:22.620
people that are aligned, understand what their job is, have networked, understand what the policy
00:24:28.060
is. Paul Danz joins me. They trash talked Heritage a lot there. Center for Renewing America
00:24:35.180
is going to join us here in a second. They're everything. But they say Heritage and Reagan.
00:24:39.020
When Reagan came to power and Heritage set up, Reagan was a revolutionary against the
00:24:43.740
Republican establishment. Right. Heritage was the revolutionary guard for that. Now they're
00:24:48.460
the revolutionary guard, one of the big ones for MAGA. It's extraordinary. And thank you for having
00:24:53.180
me in the actual war room. It's amazing. You know, you could go rewind 40 years and basically cut and
00:25:01.020
paste replace Reagan with Trump. And the same vitriol, the histrionics we just suffered through
00:25:08.940
there was really any time an outsider comes in to shake up Washington. So, you know, and I,
00:25:15.900
you know, it's just amazing that this town is putting up the bulk work, so to speak.
00:25:20.060
Well, they're panicked now because the administrative state is even so much more powerful than it was in
00:25:24.140
1980. That what is wrong or outside the Constitution about dedicated think tanks and individuals yourself
00:25:31.340
who have walked away from tremendous careers to focus on this issue of training up the 3,000 political
00:25:37.820
appointees that the press is not 40 or 50,000. We'd love to have that. But the 3,000 political appointees
00:25:43.660
that hit the beaches moving forward on day one of the administration with policies thought through
00:25:49.820
what exactly they're doing. Why do they have a problem with that? You know, I think they're upset
00:25:55.100
that the Republicans or in this case, the conservatives are just finally getting their act together.
00:26:00.220
I mean, we're doing no more than catching up with what the left's been doing for the last 30 years.
00:26:05.900
And I should say we at Heritage and we're part of Project 2025. It's 80 conservative organizations
00:26:12.380
plus coming together. You can see our whole list at project2025.org. So we're not in for any
00:26:19.420
particular candidate. Obviously, many of us were inspired by President Trump and would be honored
00:26:25.900
to serve with him again. But this project, you know, it speaks for itself. We don't, you know,
00:26:32.460
we're not the campaign that's Project 47. But you're really after the campaign, after politics,
00:26:37.340
but it's really this thing called the administrative state. Some people call aspects of the deep state.
00:26:41.980
But that's this leviathan that the Constitution, it's a fourth branch of government that controls
00:26:47.020
everything else. Exactly. You know, we're going on our 250th birthday here in a couple of years in
00:26:52.060
the US. And this construct that we now talk about the administrative state is really a relatively
00:26:59.420
recent phenomenon within the last 100 years. That is, you know, we're all about our Constitution.
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The Constitution was framed out with three coordinate branches of government. Each has an article,
00:27:11.020
legislative, executive, judicial. You could essentially think of this as the fourth branch.
00:27:17.260
Article 2A, if you will. It's completely unrooted in the Constitution. And that's why we're at a major
00:27:23.820
point here where we want to undertake constitutional renovation of this federal government. Well,
00:27:28.620
it has become being unconstitutional in this fourth branch that continues to grow.
00:27:34.300
It is impervious to elections. They're supposed to be all for democracy. This is the most
00:27:38.860
anti-democratic institution because it goes on and on and on. Whoever the democratically elected
00:27:43.740
president, whether it's Bernie Sanders, AOC, Donald Trump, it doesn't care. It's got its own methods,
00:27:49.100
its own processes. I'll tell you, short commercial break. Russ Vogt's going to join us on the other
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process. New York Times, Swan, Haberman and Savage do all the reporting. Then Axios does the brief,
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right? They do the abbreviated version for all those too lazy to read in Washington,
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which is most. And then the Washington Post, Dossie and those guys tape up a longer version
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Hey, Paul Danz joins me in studio. I'm bringing the Russ Vogt. We're going to talk about this here,
00:29:43.720
but Russ, first, you as OMB director, first deputy and then OMB director for President Trump for the
00:29:51.000
first term, every day I would talk to Russ Vogt. He was all about deconstructing the administrative
00:29:56.440
state from the inside. Why is this movement so much more powerful? Now, I just want to make sure
00:30:02.120
this is not the Trump campaign. It has nothing to do with the politics. You know, you got a great team
00:30:08.680
over there at the campaign, great messaging and all that, but campaigns, politics. This is about
00:30:15.640
something even deeper than politics, how you actually get control of an out-of-control Leviathan.
00:30:20.800
And I think the reason they're melting down so much is you guys are so organized and there's so many
00:30:24.780
impressive people. And you can tell from the policies the New York Times is writing about,
00:30:28.740
this is serious stuff. So first, before we get to the CR, hit me with this, because you're a big part
00:30:34.620
of this, Russ, of this effort to think through what the second term is going to be and to make sure
00:30:40.640
we don't waste a second starting at high noon on the 20th of January, 2025.
00:30:47.740
Thanks for having me on, Steve. I think what's catching them so off guard and what they're
00:30:52.340
unprepared for is that they have never had a transition effort or preparation that is intent
00:30:58.620
on stating what needs to be done clearly and on the record and proudly and defending it before any
00:31:05.980
elections ever occurred. And you have to do that when you change paradigms, governing paradigms,
00:31:10.760
because even if you have the right people, they come into these departments and they think that
00:31:14.640
they come into the Department of Justice and they think they're supposed to be separated from the
00:31:18.160
White House. And these institutions are trying to shape their behavior the best of conservatives
00:31:23.600
sometimes. And what we're saying is we're going to plant the flags now. We're going to say in the
00:31:28.840
instance of federal spending that presidents had the ability to impound funds for 200 years until
00:31:33.900
a bad law got passed that we think is unconstitutional under President Nixon. And we want to go back in a
00:31:40.260
different direction. And many of those settlements that came out of the Nixon world, the Nixon time
00:31:47.080
period, where the executive branch was at its lowest point, is how official Washington, D.C. wants to
00:31:53.040
have govern them for the rest of eternity. And unfortunately, we need radical constitutionalism.
00:31:59.240
We need to go back to how separation of powers was meant to work, state it, defend it, and then
00:32:04.880
hopefully give it to people who are willing to do it.
00:32:09.320
Radical constitutionism in the administrative state. Your thoughts?
00:32:12.980
Well, it's simple constitutionalism. Most, you know, there were civics class taught in schools
00:32:19.580
now. People would have picked up on this. And actually in law, when I went to law school,
00:32:24.520
they had removed the copy of the constitution from our constitutional case books, which is an
00:32:29.780
extraordinary thing. I understand they've been reinserted. It's a living document.
00:32:33.940
Yeah. Look, you know, like Russ is saying, we have a permanent government here in Washington
00:32:41.600
and it's real creation, you know, started with Wilson, but really hit overdrive with FDR and
00:32:48.320
then into the great society. And even our own with Nixon allowed a lot of this to grow up. So that,
00:32:54.240
that, and you see a lot of the Supreme Court precedents in those early seventies, Goldberg v. Kelly
00:32:59.600
property rights and, and all way down the line, Roe v. Wade. It's an extraordinary kind of fuzzy
00:33:06.300
thinking time in America, but we've receded from that. We're much closer to how this
00:33:11.060
government of the people was established. We, you know, what this, this opportunity for us,
00:33:18.260
and Russ is right. We call it mandate for leadership is our book. It's online 900 pages,
00:33:23.880
but we're loud and proud. If you will, we're going to tell you what conservatives want. We threw down
00:33:29.400
the marker. And when, when, um, a conservative is delivered the white house in November 5th,
00:33:34.800
which I firmly believe is going to happen, this is going to be a mandate. And that's because the
00:33:39.740
people spoke, but we want everyone walking in the office to be literally on the same page.
00:33:45.440
And that's a lot of the function of our organization. Um, we are so underhanded in
00:33:50.500
Washington. If you're listening to this, you need to consider yourself or your neighbor or your
00:33:55.740
granddaughter or whoever the case may be getting them to think about coming to Washington. And
00:34:00.240
that's what I mean, understaffed that they're so overwhelmed, the, the, the deep, the deep state
00:34:05.340
administrative state with the consult. Remember there's too many non-military people in the
00:34:09.480
government that keep saying that, but there's 16 million consultants, right? So, so the total
00:34:14.140
federal bureaucracy you're dealing with is, I don't know, 14, 15, 16, 18 million people. That's,
00:34:19.700
that's what the 3000 that come in have to be able to day one, understand that that's what they're up
00:34:24.540
against. Correct. You know, the, of the 2.2 million, the president might appoint 4,000. Typically that's
00:34:30.840
a ratio of one to 500 as a management uphill, um, tact. Uh, remember of course, that these folks are
00:34:38.740
basically unfireable. You didn't hire them and you can't fire them. When the civil service was
00:34:44.540
initially put into place, notion was to protect 10% of the jobs. Now 99.5% of them are fully protected
00:34:52.080
and less than maybe one 10th of 1% get dismissed. Of those 4,000, a thousand are Senate confirmed to
00:34:58.200
the 3000 hit the can, can day one on the afternoon, the 20th, if we do our job can all be over there
00:35:03.840
and working 1000 still have to go through confirmation, which will be a nightmare in the
00:35:07.760
second Trump term. You agree? That's going to be, yeah, there's ways to think about that. I do think
00:35:12.420
the, you know, the Congress and getting folks here, um, to be supporters of this is going to be
00:35:18.700
critical. Um, but you know, this is ultimately, uh, their coordinate branch of our, against the
00:35:25.080
executive and, and they have their checks and balances to be sure. Well, this is why we got
00:35:29.100
to take the Senate. I mean, these Senate seats because of confirmation, the Senate is really
00:35:32.820
does treaties and, uh, is the human resources department for the government. Paul, hang on
00:35:37.500
one second. We get more into this. Russ, uh, brother, you talk about shifting the paradigm.
00:35:41.860
You talked about the cartel, uh, you more than anybody had your shoulder to the wheel
00:35:46.400
to make sure that we upgraded the speakership. We did clearly, uh, unlike the latter approach,
00:35:52.320
what I don't like, what the Warren posse is upset about. It can't be clean, baby. We're
00:35:56.700
not looking for clean. We're looking for cuts. What is, what is happening? They're putting
00:36:01.460
forward a clean CR or two of them. And already, I think we got six votes, six hard nose. So,
00:36:06.620
so make this make sense to me. Well, it doesn't make sense. I think it's a bad decision. It's
00:36:11.400
a bad bill. It's aimed at preventing a Christmas omnibus bill, which by virtue of Mike Johnson
00:36:18.320
being the speaker has already been taken care of. It's, it's kind of akin to fighting the
00:36:22.960
last war. When you're a backbencher, you might have a set of priorities. Oh man, we got to
00:36:27.000
stop this. But then you get into actual power. And just by virtue of you waking up and saying,
00:36:33.260
there's not going to be an omnibus bill because I control the house. Isn't there is not, that's
00:36:37.700
the result that you're going to be able to avoid. And so you and I and others are looking at this
00:36:42.960
and said, look, this is your leverage point to actually cut spending. If you're going to do a
00:36:46.240
latter approach because you want to stagger the fight about the debates that you want to have
00:36:49.820
when, that's fine. But the notion that you're just going to do a clean extension of Joe Biden's
00:36:54.880
woke and weaponized bureaucracy is incredibly problematic. And I think it's something that
00:37:00.920
house conservatives should rise up quickly today and say, look, we're going to, we love you,
00:37:05.100
Mike Johnson, but we're going to take your rule down. We're going to take the procedural rule
00:37:08.520
down because this is important. And we don't have these, too many of these leverage points.
00:37:12.380
And I think that's what I hope will, will, will manifest itself in the next several hours.
00:37:17.920
Okay. The rule is going to come up sometime this afternoon. Everybody remembers the rule comes
00:37:22.000
forward before, if the rule gets taken down, it doesn't even come up for a vote.
00:37:26.660
Walk us through how to, how's the Warren Posse have to get their, their two cents in here on the
00:37:32.080
rule? Call the members of Congress and say, I want you to oppose the procedural rule to set up the
00:37:38.960
clean CR. And they know what the clean CR is. War Room's been talking about that for a long time.
00:37:43.980
But that rule sets up the debate on whether a bill is going to be passed. It's viewed as party line,
00:37:50.900
but by, by virtue of intending to rely on Democrats, which is what he's indicating,
00:37:55.700
he's going to have to go in. And it's going to be hard for him to get that rule passed if House
00:38:00.980
conservatives stand up and say, look, we are not going to be favoring a procedure that sets up
00:38:07.060
Joe Biden's woke and weaponized bureaucracy to be extended into January and February on two separate
00:38:13.200
deadlines. So right now, I want to repeat this. The Warren Posse, using our new Bill Blaster app that
00:38:20.800
gives him leverage, should call their congressman. And what is the, what is the pitch, Russ?
00:38:26.980
Vote no on a clean CR. Vote no on the procedural rule that sets up that clean CR.
00:38:34.820
Grace and Mo, if you can start pushing that out to everybody right now, Carly Bonet, everybody in the,
00:38:39.420
in our telegram. Russ, you're one of the big thinkers here. Tell me what you would recommend
00:38:45.620
that Speaker Johnson, let's say we take this down today. What is your guidance to Speaker Johnson
00:38:50.920
to, to start getting real here? We want to help him out. He's a, he's a great man. How do we do
00:38:56.040
that? What's your, what's your recommendation? I think he's got to start leaning into confrontation
00:39:00.980
and conflict. He's, he can't construe his job as trying to make it easier to govern and not having
00:39:10.120
must pass bills. For instance, in this clean CR, you know how it's not clean CR. Everything else
00:39:14.400
is on autopilot, except there's a one year extension of the farm bill. Now we may want to
00:39:19.140
extend farm bill programs, but shouldn't we do something that, that goes against China's interest
00:39:23.960
in the land across this country? That's a debate that we were hoping to have later this year. And
00:39:28.640
yet that's embedded in here. Why is he doing that? Because there are the leadership forces that come
00:39:33.880
around and they say, look, this is going to be a tough bill. Let's get it. Let's sweep it underneath
00:39:37.240
the rug. You can't have that approach to governing. You have to be willing to have a fight,
00:39:42.280
win the debate, win the debate that you, that you have picked and then execute and actually have
00:39:47.420
victories. And I think if he, it takes that approach on a, on a, on a short-term bill,
00:39:52.920
it could be short-term, but pass things that are hard for the Democrats to oppose. Defund the FBI
00:39:58.260
headquarters on the continuing resolution. Defund some of the woke policies that they can't defend.
00:40:04.540
Then you have an opportunity to be able to, to, to move the pile and build yourself some time to
00:40:10.520
keep passing some of these appropriations bills that do it in full.
00:40:15.260
And the rule, uh, situation is going to come up early this afternoon, you think around two or
00:40:19.760
three? Either end of today and probably tomorrow. Maybe I haven't checked the schedule in the rules
00:40:25.520
committee, but it'll be early this week for sure. Okay. We'll be all over it. One last thing for our
00:40:31.080
turn back to Paul. Uh, how can this audience support what you guys are doing in, uh, the deconstruction
00:40:38.260
of the administrative state of getting people ready? One thing we want to do is have a presentation
00:40:42.440
sometime on the 900 page report there. And they, I think it's a 50 page summary, but what is your
00:40:47.260
recommendation, Russ? Where do they go? How do they get this audience wants to get smarter every day?
00:40:51.400
What do they do? We're planting flags around key governing paradigms. For instance, the one that
00:40:57.600
was mentioned in the Mike Allen piece was somehow civilian control of the military and promotion system
00:41:02.760
is somehow not consistent with what the founders would have envisioned. Totally untrue,
00:41:06.920
right? That's exactly how they would have envisioned it. The department of justice is not
00:41:12.000
independent from the white house and the president's viewpoints. Those are paradigm shifting flags that
00:41:18.240
we are planting. They need to be up to date on it. Make sure they're senators, they're members of
00:41:22.640
Congress. They can use their platforms on Twitter and make sure that they are up to speed on these and
00:41:28.740
winning the debate. Because what will happen is it becomes the new governing consensus of the Republican
00:41:33.260
Party. And that's what we want so that anyone that is in that river goes into these offices and doesn't
00:41:40.220
even have to think about what has been put in front of them. They know there's no concept of
00:41:45.520
independence. The president gets to make these decisions consistent with the law. That's what we're after.
00:41:52.380
Russ, how do they get to the center? How do they get to your social media?
00:41:55.560
Sure. At Russ Vote, at AM Renew Center, and America Renewing is the website, americarenewing.com. We
00:42:04.280
appreciate everyone that's following us. Thank you, brother. And everybody to the ramparts right now on
00:42:10.380
the spending bill. I'm going to go to break, but I got about a minute. You've dedicated a lot of your
00:42:14.340
life. A lot of people don't understand the part because this is a converging. With this, you're
00:42:20.680
empowering people going to the administration on the executive side of the government. You've been
00:42:25.640
very involved in also the legal side, particularly the Chevron exemption, all that. Give me a minute
00:42:31.020
on that. Give me 30 seconds of that before you go to break. Well, look, I'm just like the listener
00:42:35.660
out there. I was one of the people sitting on his kitchen stool getting exercised about reading all
00:42:41.280
these things. And at some point you say, that's it. I got to get in the arena. I got to do this.
00:42:45.440
Um, I had a, you know, um, successful career there and in what they call the white shoe
00:42:51.040
Manhattan law firms. Um, but I noticed I went after, I think I thought a member, I thought
00:42:57.040
a part, I thought a part of Cravath walked in here, maybe serve a subpoena or something.
00:43:01.540
I don't know. Two more shirts. The next time I come to the war and some pens. Um, but you
00:43:06.400
know, it's, I worked on the Chevron Ecuador case. I was kind of the, um, you know, kind of
00:43:12.060
came up with the idea that grabbed the case and undid it. I want to talk about that because
00:43:16.340
this is so essential. It's going to come back up in the Supreme court this session. We're
00:43:21.060
going to talk about that. Paul Dance joins us on the other side.
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This is actually action of what's going to happen. I just want to, before I lose you,
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we've only got a couple minutes, is to go make sure people understand all this Keechee term of
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draining the swamp and the bureau. It's deeper than that. It's darker than that. It is a permanent
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form of government impervious to elections that the framers would go nuts if they came back today
00:45:32.220
and saw what happened in that kind of perfect sense of the Greek balance or the Roman Republic model.
00:45:38.400
To see what we've allowed is exactly the reason they had a revolution against the British crown.
00:45:43.280
That's exactly right. I mean, even Abe Lincoln, when he sat and he talked over at Gettysburg,
00:45:50.500
you know, it was a government. We're ultimately an experiment in self-governance of the people,
00:45:55.560
by the people, for the people. But we now have a permanent group of people here in Washington who
00:46:00.300
are unremovable. And Reagan was confronting this, but it's only ossified and gotten worse now.
00:46:06.340
And, you know, the Democrats, for their part, are now defending this, but that's only because
00:46:12.260
they've stockpiled it with their own. You know, if the government were filled with a bunch of
00:46:17.720
Reaganites, you know, Rush Limbaugh listening, guys in pocket protectors and women rushing off to
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They wouldn't be, Morning Joe wouldn't be, wouldn't be sitting there.
00:46:29.680
You know, we have guys traipsing around in red heels and, you know, in charge of our nuclear
00:46:34.540
spent fuel rods. So that's who they are comfortable with having in the government. You know,
00:46:40.840
90, 95 percent of this MSA, this Metropolitan Statistical Area votes Democrat.
00:46:49.520
Ninety five percent. You know, you have donations from federal government employees on the order
00:46:55.100
of 90 percent to the Democrat Party. So when they walk in there, they don't even have to
00:46:59.500
give the messaging. It's a wink and a nod. For us, we're, you know, we win an election
00:47:05.200
and I fully concur with what Catherine Wren is saying. You know, we have to win. People
00:47:11.840
stop me all the time and say, that's great, you're preparing, but what are you going to
00:47:14.580
do to win? And as a guy who's been on the ground at every major presidential election,
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I fully support, you know, making sure we get the the election integrity set. But we
00:47:26.920
can't just win and expect things to change. We have to have a team ready and, you know,
00:47:31.480
we'll spend a billion dollars trying to win and no attention really to planning. And to
00:47:36.480
be fair to, you know, the candidates, President Trump, whoever the case is, they're out there
00:47:40.340
trying to win the race. But, you know, we in the meantime can get our act together and
00:47:45.460
So how are you going to go around the country? President Trump goes around, does his rallies.
00:47:48.620
The team is fantastic. Susie Wiles and the team is doing a great job. How do you guys
00:47:53.220
not? We don't read about it in the New York Times. We don't read about it in Axios because
00:47:58.720
that's all signaling to them. You've got these reports. Are you guys going to make some trying
00:48:02.660
to outreach where you're going around the country and reaching out to people? Because
00:48:05.860
the grassroots is thirsty for this. They want, I mean, these people with pitchforks want
00:48:11.220
Yeah, there's like Russ was saying, there's two things you can do. One, you can educate yourself
00:48:15.580
and become a force multiplier. At project2025.org, you can get the whole 900 page book for free
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chapter by chapter. You know, take a read at the Department of Labor. Educate yourself on
00:48:27.100
what we want, how the Department of State should actually function. But two, you know, we're
00:48:31.980
telling, this is your moment to come to Washington. This is an Uncle Sam pointing and saying, not
00:48:38.040
that he wants you. We desperately need you here. So we are taking our show on the road,
00:48:43.000
if you will. We, you know, go into the great 50 states and really telling people this, you
00:48:48.960
got to come forward. We were at the Iowa State Fair, you know, and we got a big lift there
00:48:54.140
with AP. They're like, why are you coming to the state fair? Well, you know, I enjoy a good
00:48:58.860
tractor pull. I went to MIT. I have graduate degrees, but I'm not, I'm only like, like slack
00:49:05.560
job watching a tractor pull. But that, you know, the reality is like, go to a state fair. They're
00:49:11.280
always, guess what you'll find, recruiters for our armed forces, you know, and you know,
00:49:15.360
if the people are good enough to go be cannon fodder for this country and stand up and fight
00:49:20.600
for us, they're the same good people who should be deciding whether we're marching off to war
00:49:24.980
in the first place. So we need that, you know, and I can't tell you how many thoughtful people
00:49:30.400
come up to you at a county fair or whatever, and we'll give you the straight serum truth
00:49:35.880
that this town lacks. And the good news is we're the majority out there. There's 330 million
00:49:42.540
Americans. It's a center right country. This is really off the rails here in Washington.
00:49:48.780
What is, once again, where do they go to get the 900 pages? Also, I think 47 page executive
00:49:54.280
summary, but we want, our audience loves immersing themselves in the details. Then where do they
00:49:59.140
go for your social media and all of it? Cause people want to keep up with you too.
00:50:02.620
Well, uh, go to project 2025.org, the books there. Um, what you can do is sign up in the database and
00:50:10.260
create a profile. Those hoping to serve can take the classes online. We have a series of 40 online
00:50:17.200
lectures teaching you how to function in government. And as well, you know, look at our, our news releases
00:50:23.660
that are coming out. We're on social media project 2025 without the vowels, I believe at, uh, Twitter
00:50:32.060
and rumble and the rest. We'll put it all out. Uh, Dr. Kevin Roberts and the team at heritage and
00:50:37.720
Russ vote and the team is here at taking the incoming, but it's a, it's a coalition of 80 conservative
00:50:42.840
groups. This is what's so powerful about it. It's really the gathering of the tribes. Everybody's
00:50:46.940
coming together, putting their two cents in, putting their best people to work on this coalition.
00:50:50.660
Absolutely. No, that, that was the, the really, um, invigorating part was that we, we have
00:50:56.920
some petty rivalries here in the conservative movement, but you know, everyone realizes it's
00:51:02.220
existential for us here in 2020. So we put this stuff to the side and, you know, you look
00:51:09.820
at whether it's conservative partnership Institute or, you know, leadership Institute, these are
00:51:15.440
stalwarts. Um, and you know, they're all joining together and we're, and with new, uh, American
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moment, there's new groups, the whole fold is kind of coming together to, to put, to, we're gonna have
00:51:27.540
a lot more about this. Uh, Paul, thank you so much for doing this, stepping away from a fabulous career
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to do this, uh, and, uh, look forward to spend a lot more time with you. Okay. Uh, you think about
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