Bannon's War Room - Episode 3172： Failure Of The RNC; Targeting The Administrative State

00:00:00.000 Are you concerned about Ukraine and Israel aid passing? Do you think it can get done before the

00:00:04.200 end of the year? It has to get done by the end of the year. Will it? I'm going to predict it will.

00:00:09.520 Sometimes, you know, in this business, I've learned that there are moments when you can't fail

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00:00:37.260 Ukraine, for Israel. By the end of the year, I think it will get. Okay. This budget fight, 0.79

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00:05:07.820 Okay, we're going to do, this afternoon, we're going to get into more of President Trump's

00:05:12.120 strategy. They're going on offense this week in this federal court in, excuse me, state

00:05:17.400 court with the Nazi judge in New York City. Caroline Wren, you took your best shot. You

00:05:24.200 took your best shot in Laguna, right? Back, I think it was in January or February. You

00:05:31.580 took your best shot. You guys came up with a third of the vote and two-thirds of the vote

00:05:36.500 were against you, and you had 100% of the grassroots. So what are you bitching about now? Why are you

00:05:42.100 crying? You already lost. Rana's in. I don't know. Trump kind of gave her a semi-endorsement.

00:05:48.760 So what's your beef? Well, I would argue we took our best shot in January against Kevin

00:05:54.220 McCarthy, and then after nine months of not complying and not doing what he said he would

00:05:58.320 do, we brought that battle back to the people and we won. So I'm certainly not just going to

00:06:02.520 sit on the sidelines and say, oh, shoot, we lost that one. Let's just have Rana oversee another 1.00

00:06:07.140 failure of election. So I'm not done fighting on this, and I don't know what the exact route is,

00:06:11.800 but I do know that I'm going to continue to speak out. And, you know, we can't continue to just lose

00:06:17.380 and, you know, just sweep it under the rug. That's not how this is going to work. Rana

00:06:21.720 went on an apology tour all weekend with these heinous interviews. She was on CNN, Meet the

00:06:26.740 Press, and she was doing the same thing she does after each of the losses she's overseen

00:06:30.500 since 2017. This time she was blaming bad candidates, of course, and bad messaging.

00:06:35.120 Give me a break. The Democrats put up brain-dead candidates. Joe Biden, John Fetterman, Katie 0.99

00:06:39.480 Hobbs. We don't have bad candidates. We have bad leadership. She also went on again and started

00:06:43.920 to blame abortion. And you know what? In regards to abortion, there's absolutely, there's no doubt 0.56

00:06:48.240 that we have a problem there. But the issue really with Rana is that she blamed abortion

00:06:52.040 after the disastrous 2022 midterm elections. Then earlier this year, remember, she blamed abortion

00:06:56.960 on that Wisconsin Supreme Court special election that we lost by like 14 points. And now she was

00:07:01.660 blaming it again. And the thing is, you are the RNC chair. Your job is to find solutions. And I don't

00:07:06.980 want any more excuses. The buck stops with you. You're the head of our party and you're in command

00:07:11.260 and you continue to fail and you continue to make up excuses for those failures. And I'm

00:07:16.100 done with it. The other thing she did on television, which was outrageous this weekend, is she said

00:07:19.900 the RNC was not involved in the Virginia races because we're a federal committee and we legally

00:07:24.900 can't be involved in state legislative races. Well, then meanwhile, the DNC was bragging about

00:07:29.780 spending $1.2 million. So which is it, Rana? Did either you're lying to us and you lied on television

00:07:35.640 by saying the RNC couldn't be involved or the DNC committed a massive campaign finance violation

00:07:40.380 and you should be in court. So, you know, I'm sick of the excuses. We should continue to call it out.

00:07:45.180 And we, I think that she should resign. I'm going to continue to call on that. And I think others

00:07:49.560 should as well. I'm going to have in a minute, Paul Danz is going to join me in studio and then

00:07:57.500 we'll get Russ Fodon. The papers for the last week, the New York Times with Swan, Savage and Haberman

00:08:03.660 have been doing amazing work on every aspect of when President Trump wins in November and

00:08:11.320 we take the government, we step in, we're going to have 3,000 people ready to go. We're going

00:08:16.260 to have policies ready to go. Axios is reporting today and that's why I asked Paul to come in

00:08:21.080 and Morning Joe is literally in meltdown for the entire show. We're going to do clips from

00:08:24.900 that. On one aspect, you've got these outside groups, you have Paul Danz, you've got Johnny

00:08:30.340 McEntee, you've got Russ Fodon, you've got Dr. Roberts over at Heritage, you've got all these

00:08:35.220 big brains and it's a systematic program to make sure that it doesn't happen in 2016 where we really

00:08:41.500 didn't have people, we weren't ready, now we're ready. Bang, hit the beach, boom, boom, move inland,

00:08:45.860 got it, deconstruct the administrative state. Very well thought through, very organized, lots of

00:08:51.100 different people working on it, nobody taking credit, but everybody moving forward. Where are

00:08:56.220 we, if I look at the aspect the RNC should be doing, Caroline Wren, help me out here. Where is 0.87

00:09:01.980 the equivalent program on making sure they cannot steal the elections state by state? Is the RNC

00:09:09.820 presented anything to you, giving you a scintilla of evidence that they're on top of? We know from

00:09:15.420 the polling, MAGA's ascended and Trump is leading the nation, right? This could be a landslide. We

00:09:21.900 know also that President Trump and his team are working day in and day out on policies on specific

00:09:28.060 economic, immigration, geopolitical, military, social across the board. The one thing that's out there is

00:09:35.820 how do we know in delivering another, you know, massive turnout, 74, 78, 80, 85 million votes,

00:09:43.180 that it's not stolen. Where is the RNC in that? And have you seen the scintilla evidence

00:09:47.660 that they have lifted a finger to do anything about it?

00:09:51.420 No, I haven't. And I'm getting frustrated too. I think it's great that we're laying out all these

00:09:54.940 detailed plans for President Trump's next term, but like we, we have to get him there. Anyone who

00:09:59.500 is spending any of their time, effort or money on not winning elections right now and making sure we

00:10:04.460 have the infrastructure and a path to victory. And I think it's a total waste of time. And I think it's

00:10:09.660 a waste of resources and money people are funding. I mean, I love AFPI and I love Heritage Foundation,

00:10:14.540 what they're doing, but that is money that is not going to shore up our elections. Right now,

00:10:18.060 we should be in court. Do you know that the RNC was claiming they're in 70 lawsuits?

00:10:21.580 There was a, like, we were given a massive gift in North, uh, Northampton County, Pennsylvania,

00:10:26.220 by the way, last Tuesday, there was a complete malfunction of their voting machines and the problems

00:10:30.540 in the county's response have provided the citizens of Pennsylvania, a huge opportunity here

00:10:35.020 to get injective relief and get these machines removed. We should be in court. We should be

00:10:39.020 funding resources and there's no money yet. I've been on the phone constantly all weekend with

00:10:43.580 the folks in Pennsylvania trying to help them. They're creating a C3 to raise money to do these

00:10:47.100 lawsuits. So while everyone else is spending 10, $20 million writing up these white papers on,

00:10:51.660 you know, who's going to be the treasury secretary, like, my God, why are we doing, we are not going

00:10:56.860 to have a new treasury secretary or any of these things until we actually are able to win elections.

00:11:01.580 And they are stealing those elections from us and all of our resources, time, money need to be spent

00:11:05.900 on lawfare, voter registration and voter turnout. The RNC is incompetent. They are not doing that.

00:11:11.980 As far as I could tell, nobody is doing that. And the RNC doesn't have the resources to do it,

00:11:15.820 by the way. Just go look at their FEC reports. I mean, we're in what is called an off year for

00:11:20.140 fundraising right now. So if you look at the RNC fundraising in a presidential off year to compare

00:11:24.540 it, let's say the first nine months of 2015, when Reitz Priebus was chair, they had raised

00:11:28.780 $80 million at this point and had $20 million cash on hand. In the first nine months of 2019,

00:11:33.580 the RNC had raised $168 million and had $60 million cash on hand. In the first nine months

00:11:39.180 of 2023, this year, the RNC has raised $65 million and has less than $9 million cash on hand.

00:11:46.380 So there is no war chest. There's no transfers coming to these state parties. There's no cavalry

00:11:50.540 coming. We, the people are going to have to do this ourselves, or we need, Rana should do the good

00:11:54.940 thing for the country and for our party and resign. And we get someone in who can actually fundraise,

00:12:00.060 who can focus on lawfare and who can focus on what the goal of the Republican party should be,

00:12:03.740 which is winning elections. So what do you call it for specifically? What's your call to action?

00:12:10.460 What do you need this audience to do? There's an RNC meeting of the 168 in Vegas,

00:12:15.740 January 30th through February 3rd. And so that's when a new chair could be elected. You know,

00:12:19.740 there is no mechanism that I'm aware of to take her out. I just hope that Rana would consider,

00:12:25.740 look at the options and just say, look, this is untenable for me. The fundraising is not going

00:12:29.740 well. The grassroots, you know, are not connecting with me at all. And I think that we need a new

00:12:35.260 leader of the party and she would have to be willing to step down. And then the RNC 168 would 0.98

00:12:39.660 elect a new leader at that meeting. And so I don't know if she's willing to do the right thing. I

00:12:44.860 certainly think we should keep the pressure up and do it because this is a very, very bad

00:12:49.980 and dangerous situation. And we need, we need, need, need new leadership.

00:12:58.540 I do believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We have to get ready for it. We can't have

00:13:02.540 what happened in 16. We have to be ready. That's why people are working so hard. But I also agree

00:13:07.180 that the RNC has got to step forward now with as detailed a plan as these other outside groups have

00:13:13.820 for deconstructing the administrative state and hitting the deck plates running with policy and

00:13:17.820 personnel day one. We need the RNC to come forward today with a plan. If we need to see Rana's plan

00:13:24.300 state by state, what you're going to do to ensure a victory here. Caroline, where can people get you?

00:13:30.140 This fight is only going to get more intense. Where can people get you?

00:13:33.500 They can follow me at Caroline Wren on Twitter, Getter and Truth Social.

00:13:37.100 Also, we got many more. We got DC Drainer. We got a lot of people, Scott Pressler. A lot of people have

00:13:45.340 very strong ideas about this and we're going to have them all in here. Caroline Wren,

00:13:49.020 thank you very much. Look forward to having you back. Thank you.

00:13:53.820 OK, here's the news. The news is that a lot of people are already coming out. They don't support the

00:14:00.060 CR. I also think that I'm just hearing from the engine room. There may be a vote on Mayorkas's

00:14:06.300 impeachment at 630 tonight. So things that will be live back at five to seven. So there's a lot of

00:14:12.380 things heating up in the house. Huge fight over the CR. All of it. Paul Dan's going to join me in a

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00:16:22.860 He's a badass. All he does is complain about people. A whiny, vengeful, backward-looking 0.99

00:16:29.260 billionaire. That's forward-looking. That's forward-looking. I want to take on the administrative 0.97

00:16:33.980 state that's driven this country into the ground. He's not talking about taking on the administrative

00:16:37.820 state to help people's lives. He's talking about going after the people that were mean to him.

00:16:41.580 He says, oh, I'm going to have the DOJ target Bill Barr because he was mean to me. I'm going to have the DOJ

00:16:46.780 target John Kelly because he turned on me. I'm going to have the DOJ target Jack Smith.

00:16:51.020 That's all he talks about. He doesn't talk about helping people.

00:16:54.940 That's not true. That's not true.

00:16:56.380 And also, there's not going to be people in place to stop him. There's no guardrail anymore. There's

00:17:01.260 no Mattis. There's no Kelly. It's just pure loyalists.

00:17:03.980 Well, that's what scares me because the risk that he's actually affected this go-round. And

00:17:09.820 we really got lucky as democracy last go-round that he was so ineffective and had so many blundering

00:17:16.300 people appointed and he didn't have the real hardcore people in place to tear open the bureaucracy.

00:17:23.980 But this go-round, I'm not so sure. You look at how the Heritage Foundation is so involved in this

00:17:28.940 push and they're adding their institutional heft to it. And that's really concerning. And if anyone wants

00:17:35.020 to consider Heritage mainstream, if they're processing this kind of federal personnel system,

00:17:42.460 that's really called in the question.

00:17:43.980 Oh, my God. The Heritage Foundation used to be mainstream for conservatives after Ronald Reagan

00:17:51.340 got elected. That's really where so much of those ideas got elected. There's nothing Reagan

00:17:57.660 asks about this Heritage Foundation. I'm sure Charlie could go on about that for quite some time. And

00:18:02.940 we'll talk about that in a little bit. But Jim Vandei, I just want to go back to you and just say,

00:18:08.380 he is. Donald Trump is. He's planning it all out. And the problem is, when he starts talking about

00:18:15.580 these camps for illegal immigrants, when he starts talking about all these other things,

00:18:19.980 he's actually preying upon something that middle-class voters, that swing voters,

00:18:26.540 that independent voters are actually worried about. And that is the chaos at the southern border.

00:18:31.340 Yeah. I mean, you listen to this conversation and then you look at the polls. Like,

00:18:36.780 there's a lot of people who are very susceptible to this. A lot of people out there who feel like

00:18:42.060 the immigration laws are way too loose and that the effects of that are bad for society. You look at 1.00

00:18:48.140 the polls on who do you trust on immigration. He crushes Joe Biden. Who do you trust on crime? He

00:18:53.420 crushes Joe Biden. So we should make no mistake that there is 50% plus of the country that's very,

00:19:00.140 very open to this message. And I think the reason to listen to what he says and to understand that

00:19:05.660 he's going to be way more ready is that there's at least a 50-50 chance he can win the presidency.

00:19:11.180 No matter how ludicrous some people might think that is, the numbers are unmistakable. And I think,

00:19:17.420 and that's why the work that the Heritage Foundation, like you guys, yes, this is not

00:19:21.180 the Ronald Reagan Heritage Foundation, but this isn't the Ronald Reagan party anymore. The party

00:19:26.700 is very much Steve Miller and Donald Trump, at least the apparatus. And that's what's different

00:19:32.060 this time around. You're going to have think tanks. You're going to have manpower. You're going to have

00:19:36.380 ideas. You're going to have lawyers. You're going to have bureaucrats. That one of the things they

00:19:41.340 talked about doing that's alarming people at DOD, they want to go through and they want to scrub

00:19:45.580 the generals and the flag officers and figure out, are they sufficiently loyal? Why do they want to

00:19:50.940 do that? Because some of the greatest handcuffs that were imposed on Trump in the latter days of

00:19:55.900 his presidency were by people like General Miley and others or Milley in the DOD saying,

00:20:02.220 we're not going to do that. We will not do these things. Well, what happens when you have 40,

00:20:06.220 50,000 people in the positions that actually make things happen in government say, hell yeah,

00:20:10.860 I'm with you on that. Then things actually get done. It's not just rhetoric. It's action.

00:20:16.060 Here's my question. You have a MAGA lawyer who likes to come on your podcast, Mike Davis.

00:20:20.780 Here's what he has suggested are the top priorities for Trump's attorney general. One,

00:20:24.620 fire the deep state executive branch. Two, indict the whole Biden family. Three,

00:20:28.620 deport 10 million people, kids in cages. It will be glorious. Four, detain people at Gitmo. Five,

00:20:33.580 pardon every January 6th defendant. What do you think about that five-step plan?

00:20:37.020 I think it's fantastic. All five? All five. We're going to start the largest deportation

00:20:41.260 program in history. All 10 million must leave. You're saying that it's about people's gut feelings,

00:20:47.100 it's about people's lived experiences. You think somebody that's struggling, you think somebody

00:20:50.860 that's struggling right now in the economy cares about firing random deep state people, 1.00

00:20:55.180 indicting Joe Biden's brother, deporting people? Did I say that's all they're going to do? That's Mike

00:21:01.580 Davis would probably be the attorney general. No doubt. And I think what you talked about earlier is the

00:21:06.140 most important point. We always get sidetracked sometimes by the rhetoric that Trump uses. He's

00:21:11.260 being very, very specific with us about what he's going to do. The New York Times has done a fabulous

00:21:16.380 series with Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, Charlie Savage, detailing that. And everybody watching this

00:21:21.740 should look at it because it's using his words to show what a second term would look like. We have

00:21:27.100 reporting this morning that what's different if he wins is that he's going to come into office with an

00:21:32.700 army of 40,000 to 50,000 people ready to staff the government. He's not going to have the

00:21:38.300 restraints of cabinet officials who disagree with him. He's going to do everything he can to purge

00:21:43.100 anybody who's professional staff who's been there a long time. And he's going to have a year's worth

00:21:48.220 of vetting. They're doing surveys of these people. They're asking them about their ideology,

00:21:53.020 books they've read. Name one figure who you who you believe captures your spirit,

00:21:59.260 your political philosophy. I think the obvious answer there for a lot of them is going to be

00:22:03.100 Trump. And if you answer Trump, you pass this loyalty test, then they can put you into the

00:22:08.620 bowels of government where the action happens. It's one thing to have rhetoric. It's another thing

00:22:13.980 to take the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice,

00:22:19.740 and put in there people who believe what Trump believes so that you can do the things that he says

00:22:26.860 he's going to do. So I won't just assume he's saying these things and it's bombast. He's going

00:22:31.420 to come in hell bent on doing it. And this time, there's going to be a much more organized government

00:22:36.540 to be able to do it, which is why I do think this is the most important election of our lifetime,

00:22:41.340 because the contrast is massive. And I think both sides would come in with teams ready to do what they

00:22:47.420 want to do. OK, but as long as he is around, everyone has to kiss the ring. Everyone has to espouse the

00:22:54.460 fake election fraud or else they are they're excommunicated, not excommunicated, but you're

00:22:59.180 not part of this movement. This is kind of the inner workings of this civil war between the

00:23:04.540 Republican establishment and MAGA. And in there you have litmus test. OK, and one of the litmus test

00:23:09.820 is not just President Trump, but also particularly the stealing of the 2020 election. That is a

00:23:17.260 fundamental tenet of this movement. By the way, they've made it all about Trump. OK, this movement is

00:23:22.700 ascended and is going to go on long after Donald Trump is going to get more powerful and broader.

00:23:27.580 Even if a Democrat was to win, there's no compromise here. What you're saying is even if

00:23:32.300 Trump lost to Biden, there's no going back to the old Republican party. No, it's farther right than

00:23:36.460 Trump. Farther right. President Trump is a moderate in our movement. You're going to pine in future years

00:23:41.980 that you wished Donald Trump was around.

00:23:43.980 As much as they demonize Trump, they're going to wish they had Trump. I'm telling you, President

00:23:54.220 Trump is a moderate with discernment, a good man, a man of character and a caring individual.

00:24:03.740 But there's no more. President Trump, one of his best phrases he has, if you're in the inside,

00:24:07.500 no more games. I don't play any more games. Right now, there are dedicated men and women out there

00:24:14.060 every day that are working on this project to make sure that in the second Trump term,

00:24:18.780 we don't have the issues we had in the first, particularly the beginning, with not enough

00:24:22.620 people that are aligned, understand what their job is, have networked, understand what the policy

00:24:28.060 is. Paul Danz joins me. They trash talked Heritage a lot there. Center for Renewing America

00:24:35.180 is going to join us here in a second. They're everything. But they say Heritage and Reagan.

00:24:39.020 When Reagan came to power and Heritage set up, Reagan was a revolutionary against the

00:24:43.740 Republican establishment. Right. Heritage was the revolutionary guard for that. Now they're

00:24:48.460 the revolutionary guard, one of the big ones for MAGA. It's extraordinary. And thank you for having

00:24:53.180 me in the actual war room. It's amazing. You know, you could go rewind 40 years and basically cut and

00:25:01.020 paste replace Reagan with Trump. And the same vitriol, the histrionics we just suffered through

00:25:08.940 there was really any time an outsider comes in to shake up Washington. So, you know, and I,

00:25:15.900 you know, it's just amazing that this town is putting up the bulk work, so to speak.

00:25:20.060 Well, they're panicked now because the administrative state is even so much more powerful than it was in

00:25:24.140 1980. That what is wrong or outside the Constitution about dedicated think tanks and individuals yourself

00:25:31.340 who have walked away from tremendous careers to focus on this issue of training up the 3,000 political

00:25:37.820 appointees that the press is not 40 or 50,000. We'd love to have that. But the 3,000 political appointees

00:25:43.660 that hit the beaches moving forward on day one of the administration with policies thought through

00:25:49.820 what exactly they're doing. Why do they have a problem with that? You know, I think they're upset

00:25:55.100 that the Republicans or in this case, the conservatives are just finally getting their act together.

00:26:00.220 I mean, we're doing no more than catching up with what the left's been doing for the last 30 years.

00:26:05.900 And I should say we at Heritage and we're part of Project 2025. It's 80 conservative organizations

00:26:12.380 plus coming together. You can see our whole list at project2025.org. So we're not in for any

00:26:19.420 particular candidate. Obviously, many of us were inspired by President Trump and would be honored

00:26:25.900 to serve with him again. But this project, you know, it speaks for itself. We don't, you know,

00:26:32.460 we're not the campaign that's Project 47. But you're really after the campaign, after politics,

00:26:37.340 but it's really this thing called the administrative state. Some people call aspects of the deep state.

00:26:41.980 But that's this leviathan that the Constitution, it's a fourth branch of government that controls

00:26:47.020 everything else. Exactly. You know, we're going on our 250th birthday here in a couple of years in

00:26:52.060 the US. And this construct that we now talk about the administrative state is really a relatively

00:26:59.420 recent phenomenon within the last 100 years. That is, you know, we're all about our Constitution.

00:27:05.820 The Constitution was framed out with three coordinate branches of government. Each has an article,

00:27:11.020 legislative, executive, judicial. You could essentially think of this as the fourth branch.

00:27:17.260 Article 2A, if you will. It's completely unrooted in the Constitution. And that's why we're at a major

00:27:23.820 point here where we want to undertake constitutional renovation of this federal government. Well,

00:27:28.620 it has become being unconstitutional in this fourth branch that continues to grow.

00:27:34.300 It is impervious to elections. They're supposed to be all for democracy. This is the most

00:27:38.860 anti-democratic institution because it goes on and on and on. Whoever the democratically elected

00:27:43.740 president, whether it's Bernie Sanders, AOC, Donald Trump, it doesn't care. It's got its own methods,

00:27:49.100 its own processes. I'll tell you, short commercial break. Russ Vogt's going to join us on the other

00:27:53.100 side. We're going to continue to drill down on something that Axios has made the number one

00:27:57.340 story today. Actually, Mike Allen and Vanderhay essentially just retyped up the... Here's the

00:28:03.100 process. New York Times, Swan, Haberman and Savage do all the reporting. Then Axios does the brief,

00:28:09.660 right? They do the abbreviated version for all those too lazy to read in Washington,

00:28:12.780 which is most. And then the Washington Post, Dossie and those guys tape up a longer version

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00:29:31.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:29:35.800 Hey, Paul Danz joins me in studio. I'm bringing the Russ Vogt. We're going to talk about this here,

00:29:43.720 but Russ, first, you as OMB director, first deputy and then OMB director for President Trump for the

00:29:51.000 first term, every day I would talk to Russ Vogt. He was all about deconstructing the administrative

00:29:56.440 state from the inside. Why is this movement so much more powerful? Now, I just want to make sure

00:30:02.120 this is not the Trump campaign. It has nothing to do with the politics. You know, you got a great team

00:30:08.680 over there at the campaign, great messaging and all that, but campaigns, politics. This is about

00:30:15.640 something even deeper than politics, how you actually get control of an out-of-control Leviathan.

00:30:20.800 And I think the reason they're melting down so much is you guys are so organized and there's so many

00:30:24.780 impressive people. And you can tell from the policies the New York Times is writing about,

00:30:28.740 this is serious stuff. So first, before we get to the CR, hit me with this, because you're a big part

00:30:34.620 of this, Russ, of this effort to think through what the second term is going to be and to make sure

00:30:40.640 we don't waste a second starting at high noon on the 20th of January, 2025.

00:30:47.740 Thanks for having me on, Steve. I think what's catching them so off guard and what they're

00:30:52.340 unprepared for is that they have never had a transition effort or preparation that is intent

00:30:58.620 on stating what needs to be done clearly and on the record and proudly and defending it before any

00:31:05.980 elections ever occurred. And you have to do that when you change paradigms, governing paradigms,

00:31:10.760 because even if you have the right people, they come into these departments and they think that

00:31:14.640 they come into the Department of Justice and they think they're supposed to be separated from the

00:31:18.160 White House. And these institutions are trying to shape their behavior the best of conservatives

00:31:23.600 sometimes. And what we're saying is we're going to plant the flags now. We're going to say in the

00:31:28.840 instance of federal spending that presidents had the ability to impound funds for 200 years until

00:31:33.900 a bad law got passed that we think is unconstitutional under President Nixon. And we want to go back in a

00:31:40.260 different direction. And many of those settlements that came out of the Nixon world, the Nixon time

00:31:47.080 period, where the executive branch was at its lowest point, is how official Washington, D.C. wants to

00:31:53.040 have govern them for the rest of eternity. And unfortunately, we need radical constitutionalism.

00:31:59.240 We need to go back to how separation of powers was meant to work, state it, defend it, and then

00:32:04.880 hopefully give it to people who are willing to do it.

00:32:09.320 Radical constitutionism in the administrative state. Your thoughts?

00:32:12.980 Well, it's simple constitutionalism. Most, you know, there were civics class taught in schools

00:32:19.580 now. People would have picked up on this. And actually in law, when I went to law school,

00:32:24.520 they had removed the copy of the constitution from our constitutional case books, which is an

00:32:29.780 extraordinary thing. I understand they've been reinserted. It's a living document.

00:32:33.940 Yeah. Look, you know, like Russ is saying, we have a permanent government here in Washington

00:32:41.600 and it's real creation, you know, started with Wilson, but really hit overdrive with FDR and

00:32:48.320 then into the great society. And even our own with Nixon allowed a lot of this to grow up. So that,

00:32:54.240 that, and you see a lot of the Supreme Court precedents in those early seventies, Goldberg v. Kelly

00:32:59.600 property rights and, and all way down the line, Roe v. Wade. It's an extraordinary kind of fuzzy

00:33:06.300 thinking time in America, but we've receded from that. We're much closer to how this

00:33:11.060 government of the people was established. We, you know, what this, this opportunity for us,

00:33:18.260 and Russ is right. We call it mandate for leadership is our book. It's online 900 pages,

00:33:23.880 but we're loud and proud. If you will, we're going to tell you what conservatives want. We threw down

00:33:29.400 the marker. And when, when, um, a conservative is delivered the white house in November 5th,

00:33:34.800 which I firmly believe is going to happen, this is going to be a mandate. And that's because the

00:33:39.740 people spoke, but we want everyone walking in the office to be literally on the same page.

00:33:45.440 And that's a lot of the function of our organization. Um, we are so underhanded in

00:33:50.500 Washington. If you're listening to this, you need to consider yourself or your neighbor or your

00:33:55.740 granddaughter or whoever the case may be getting them to think about coming to Washington. And

00:34:00.240 that's what I mean, understaffed that they're so overwhelmed, the, the, the deep, the deep state

00:34:05.340 administrative state with the consult. Remember there's too many non-military people in the 0.66

00:34:09.480 government that keep saying that, but there's 16 million consultants, right? So, so the total

00:34:14.140 federal bureaucracy you're dealing with is, I don't know, 14, 15, 16, 18 million people. That's,

00:34:19.700 that's what the 3000 that come in have to be able to day one, understand that that's what they're up

00:34:24.540 against. Correct. You know, the, of the 2.2 million, the president might appoint 4,000. Typically that's

00:34:30.840 a ratio of one to 500 as a management uphill, um, tact. Uh, remember of course, that these folks are

00:34:38.740 basically unfireable. You didn't hire them and you can't fire them. When the civil service was

00:34:44.540 initially put into place, notion was to protect 10% of the jobs. Now 99.5% of them are fully protected

00:34:52.080 and less than maybe one 10th of 1% get dismissed. Of those 4,000, a thousand are Senate confirmed to

00:34:58.200 the 3000 hit the can, can day one on the afternoon, the 20th, if we do our job can all be over there

00:35:03.840 and working 1000 still have to go through confirmation, which will be a nightmare in the

00:35:07.760 second Trump term. You agree? That's going to be, yeah, there's ways to think about that. I do think

00:35:12.420 the, you know, the Congress and getting folks here, um, to be supporters of this is going to be

00:35:18.700 critical. Um, but you know, this is ultimately, uh, their coordinate branch of our, against the

00:35:25.080 executive and, and they have their checks and balances to be sure. Well, this is why we got

00:35:29.100 to take the Senate. I mean, these Senate seats because of confirmation, the Senate is really

00:35:32.820 does treaties and, uh, is the human resources department for the government. Paul, hang on

00:35:37.500 one second. We get more into this. Russ, uh, brother, you talk about shifting the paradigm.

00:35:41.860 You talked about the cartel, uh, you more than anybody had your shoulder to the wheel

00:35:46.400 to make sure that we upgraded the speakership. We did clearly, uh, unlike the latter approach,

00:35:52.320 what I don't like, what the Warren posse is upset about. It can't be clean, baby. We're

00:35:56.700 not looking for clean. We're looking for cuts. What is, what is happening? They're putting

00:36:01.460 forward a clean CR or two of them. And already, I think we got six votes, six hard nose. So,

00:36:06.620 so make this make sense to me. Well, it doesn't make sense. I think it's a bad decision. It's

00:36:11.400 a bad bill. It's aimed at preventing a Christmas omnibus bill, which by virtue of Mike Johnson

00:36:18.320 being the speaker has already been taken care of. It's, it's kind of akin to fighting the

00:36:22.960 last war. When you're a backbencher, you might have a set of priorities. Oh man, we got to

00:36:27.000 stop this. But then you get into actual power. And just by virtue of you waking up and saying,

00:36:33.260 there's not going to be an omnibus bill because I control the house. Isn't there is not, that's

00:36:37.700 the result that you're going to be able to avoid. And so you and I and others are looking at this

00:36:42.960 and said, look, this is your leverage point to actually cut spending. If you're going to do a

00:36:46.240 latter approach because you want to stagger the fight about the debates that you want to have

00:36:49.820 when, that's fine. But the notion that you're just going to do a clean extension of Joe Biden's

00:36:54.880 woke and weaponized bureaucracy is incredibly problematic. And I think it's something that

00:37:00.920 house conservatives should rise up quickly today and say, look, we're going to, we love you,

00:37:05.100 Mike Johnson, but we're going to take your rule down. We're going to take the procedural rule

00:37:08.520 down because this is important. And we don't have these, too many of these leverage points.

00:37:12.380 And I think that's what I hope will, will, will manifest itself in the next several hours.

00:37:17.920 Okay. The rule is going to come up sometime this afternoon. Everybody remembers the rule comes

00:37:22.000 forward before, if the rule gets taken down, it doesn't even come up for a vote.

00:37:26.660 Walk us through how to, how's the Warren Posse have to get their, their two cents in here on the

00:37:32.080 rule? Call the members of Congress and say, I want you to oppose the procedural rule to set up the

00:37:38.960 clean CR. And they know what the clean CR is. War Room's been talking about that for a long time.

00:37:43.980 But that rule sets up the debate on whether a bill is going to be passed. It's viewed as party line,

00:37:50.900 but by, by virtue of intending to rely on Democrats, which is what he's indicating,

00:37:55.700 he's going to have to go in. And it's going to be hard for him to get that rule passed if House

00:38:00.980 conservatives stand up and say, look, we are not going to be favoring a procedure that sets up

00:38:07.060 Joe Biden's woke and weaponized bureaucracy to be extended into January and February on two separate

00:38:13.200 deadlines. So right now, I want to repeat this. The Warren Posse, using our new Bill Blaster app that

00:38:20.800 gives him leverage, should call their congressman. And what is the, what is the pitch, Russ?

00:38:26.980 Vote no on a clean CR. Vote no on the procedural rule that sets up that clean CR.

00:38:34.820 Grace and Mo, if you can start pushing that out to everybody right now, Carly Bonet, everybody in the,

00:38:39.420 in our telegram. Russ, you're one of the big thinkers here. Tell me what you would recommend

00:38:45.620 that Speaker Johnson, let's say we take this down today. What is your guidance to Speaker Johnson

00:38:50.920 to, to start getting real here? We want to help him out. He's a, he's a great man. How do we do

00:38:56.040 that? What's your, what's your recommendation? I think he's got to start leaning into confrontation

00:39:00.980 and conflict. He's, he can't construe his job as trying to make it easier to govern and not having

00:39:10.120 must pass bills. For instance, in this clean CR, you know how it's not clean CR. Everything else

00:39:14.400 is on autopilot, except there's a one year extension of the farm bill. Now we may want to

00:39:19.140 extend farm bill programs, but shouldn't we do something that, that goes against China's interest

00:39:23.960 in the land across this country? That's a debate that we were hoping to have later this year. And

00:39:28.640 yet that's embedded in here. Why is he doing that? Because there are the leadership forces that come

00:39:33.880 around and they say, look, this is going to be a tough bill. Let's get it. Let's sweep it underneath

00:39:37.240 the rug. You can't have that approach to governing. You have to be willing to have a fight,

00:39:42.280 win the debate, win the debate that you, that you have picked and then execute and actually have

00:39:47.420 victories. And I think if he, it takes that approach on a, on a, on a short-term bill,

00:39:52.920 it could be short-term, but pass things that are hard for the Democrats to oppose. Defund the FBI

00:39:58.260 headquarters on the continuing resolution. Defund some of the woke policies that they can't defend.

00:40:04.540 Then you have an opportunity to be able to, to, to move the pile and build yourself some time to

00:40:10.520 keep passing some of these appropriations bills that do it in full.

00:40:15.260 And the rule, uh, situation is going to come up early this afternoon, you think around two or

00:40:19.760 three? Either end of today and probably tomorrow. Maybe I haven't checked the schedule in the rules

00:40:25.520 committee, but it'll be early this week for sure. Okay. We'll be all over it. One last thing for our

00:40:31.080 turn back to Paul. Uh, how can this audience support what you guys are doing in, uh, the deconstruction

00:40:38.260 of the administrative state of getting people ready? One thing we want to do is have a presentation

00:40:42.440 sometime on the 900 page report there. And they, I think it's a 50 page summary, but what is your

00:40:47.260 recommendation, Russ? Where do they go? How do they get this audience wants to get smarter every day?

00:40:51.400 What do they do? We're planting flags around key governing paradigms. For instance, the one that

00:40:57.600 was mentioned in the Mike Allen piece was somehow civilian control of the military and promotion system

00:41:02.760 is somehow not consistent with what the founders would have envisioned. Totally untrue,

00:41:06.920 right? That's exactly how they would have envisioned it. The department of justice is not

00:41:12.000 independent from the white house and the president's viewpoints. Those are paradigm shifting flags that

00:41:18.240 we are planting. They need to be up to date on it. Make sure they're senators, they're members of

00:41:22.640 Congress. They can use their platforms on Twitter and make sure that they are up to speed on these and

00:41:28.740 winning the debate. Because what will happen is it becomes the new governing consensus of the Republican

00:41:33.260 Party. And that's what we want so that anyone that is in that river goes into these offices and doesn't

00:41:40.220 even have to think about what has been put in front of them. They know there's no concept of

00:41:45.520 independence. The president gets to make these decisions consistent with the law. That's what we're after.

00:41:52.380 Russ, how do they get to the center? How do they get to your social media?

00:41:55.560 Sure. At Russ Vote, at AM Renew Center, and America Renewing is the website, americarenewing.com. We

00:42:04.280 appreciate everyone that's following us. Thank you, brother. And everybody to the ramparts right now on

00:42:10.380 the spending bill. I'm going to go to break, but I got about a minute. You've dedicated a lot of your

00:42:14.340 life. A lot of people don't understand the part because this is a converging. With this, you're

00:42:20.680 empowering people going to the administration on the executive side of the government. You've been

00:42:25.640 very involved in also the legal side, particularly the Chevron exemption, all that. Give me a minute

00:42:31.020 on that. Give me 30 seconds of that before you go to break. Well, look, I'm just like the listener

00:42:35.660 out there. I was one of the people sitting on his kitchen stool getting exercised about reading all

00:42:41.280 these things. And at some point you say, that's it. I got to get in the arena. I got to do this.

00:42:45.440 Um, I had a, you know, um, successful career there and in what they call the white shoe

00:42:51.040 Manhattan law firms. Um, but I noticed I went after, I think I thought a member, I thought

00:42:57.040 a part, I thought a part of Cravath walked in here, maybe serve a subpoena or something.

00:43:01.540 I don't know. Two more shirts. The next time I come to the war and some pens. Um, but you

00:43:06.400 know, it's, I worked on the Chevron Ecuador case. I was kind of the, um, you know, kind of

00:43:12.060 came up with the idea that grabbed the case and undid it. I want to talk about that because

00:43:16.340 this is so essential. It's going to come back up in the Supreme court this session. We're

00:43:21.060 going to talk about that. Paul Dance joins us on the other side.

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00:45:04.040 the Showtime, the circus, the reason they're melting down about this, this shows not talk.

00:45:12.340 This is actually action of what's going to happen. I just want to, before I lose you,

00:45:17.000 we've only got a couple minutes, is to go make sure people understand all this Keechee term of

00:45:21.660 draining the swamp and the bureau. It's deeper than that. It's darker than that. It is a permanent

00:45:27.240 form of government impervious to elections that the framers would go nuts if they came back today

00:45:32.220 and saw what happened in that kind of perfect sense of the Greek balance or the Roman Republic model.

00:45:38.400 To see what we've allowed is exactly the reason they had a revolution against the British crown.

00:45:43.280 That's exactly right. I mean, even Abe Lincoln, when he sat and he talked over at Gettysburg,

00:45:50.500 you know, it was a government. We're ultimately an experiment in self-governance of the people,

00:45:55.560 by the people, for the people. But we now have a permanent group of people here in Washington who

00:46:00.300 are unremovable. And Reagan was confronting this, but it's only ossified and gotten worse now.

00:46:06.340 And, you know, the Democrats, for their part, are now defending this, but that's only because

00:46:12.260 they've stockpiled it with their own. You know, if the government were filled with a bunch of

00:46:17.720 Reaganites, you know, Rush Limbaugh listening, guys in pocket protectors and women rushing off to 0.73

00:46:23.240 rosary. Shorts, short sleeve shirts.

00:46:25.520 It'd be a lot different.

00:46:26.820 They wouldn't be, Morning Joe wouldn't be, wouldn't be sitting there.

00:46:29.680 You know, we have guys traipsing around in red heels and, you know, in charge of our nuclear

00:46:34.540 spent fuel rods. So that's who they are comfortable with having in the government. You know,

00:46:40.840 90, 95 percent of this MSA, this Metropolitan Statistical Area votes Democrat.

00:46:48.680 Ninety five percent.

00:46:49.520 Ninety five percent. You know, you have donations from federal government employees on the order

00:46:55.100 of 90 percent to the Democrat Party. So when they walk in there, they don't even have to

00:46:59.500 give the messaging. It's a wink and a nod. For us, we're, you know, we win an election

00:47:05.200 and I fully concur with what Catherine Wren is saying. You know, we have to win. People

00:47:11.840 stop me all the time and say, that's great, you're preparing, but what are you going to

00:47:14.580 do to win? And as a guy who's been on the ground at every major presidential election,

00:47:19.780 I fully support, you know, making sure we get the the election integrity set. But we

00:47:26.920 can't just win and expect things to change. We have to have a team ready and, you know,

00:47:31.480 we'll spend a billion dollars trying to win and no attention really to planning. And to

00:47:36.480 be fair to, you know, the candidates, President Trump, whoever the case is, they're out there

00:47:40.340 trying to win the race. But, you know, we in the meantime can get our act together and

00:47:44.740 do a lot.

00:47:45.460 So how are you going to go around the country? President Trump goes around, does his rallies.

00:47:48.620 The team is fantastic. Susie Wiles and the team is doing a great job. How do you guys

00:47:53.220 not? We don't read about it in the New York Times. We don't read about it in Axios because

00:47:58.720 that's all signaling to them. You've got these reports. Are you guys going to make some trying

00:48:02.660 to outreach where you're going around the country and reaching out to people? Because

00:48:05.860 the grassroots is thirsty for this. They want, I mean, these people with pitchforks want

00:48:09.320 to know where to aim the pitchforks, right?

00:48:11.220 Yeah, there's like Russ was saying, there's two things you can do. One, you can educate yourself

00:48:15.580 and become a force multiplier. At project2025.org, you can get the whole 900 page book for free

00:48:21.900 chapter by chapter. You know, take a read at the Department of Labor. Educate yourself on

00:48:27.100 what we want, how the Department of State should actually function. But two, you know, we're

00:48:31.980 telling, this is your moment to come to Washington. This is an Uncle Sam pointing and saying, not

00:48:38.040 that he wants you. We desperately need you here. So we are taking our show on the road,

00:48:43.000 if you will. We, you know, go into the great 50 states and really telling people this, you

00:48:48.960 got to come forward. We were at the Iowa State Fair, you know, and we got a big lift there

00:48:54.140 with AP. They're like, why are you coming to the state fair? Well, you know, I enjoy a good

00:48:58.860 tractor pull. I went to MIT. I have graduate degrees, but I'm not, I'm only like, like slack

00:49:05.560 job watching a tractor pull. But that, you know, the reality is like, go to a state fair. They're

00:49:11.280 always, guess what you'll find, recruiters for our armed forces, you know, and you know,

00:49:15.360 if the people are good enough to go be cannon fodder for this country and stand up and fight

00:49:20.600 for us, they're the same good people who should be deciding whether we're marching off to war

00:49:24.980 in the first place. So we need that, you know, and I can't tell you how many thoughtful people

00:49:30.400 come up to you at a county fair or whatever, and we'll give you the straight serum truth

00:49:35.880 that this town lacks. And the good news is we're the majority out there. There's 330 million

00:49:42.540 Americans. It's a center right country. This is really off the rails here in Washington.

00:49:48.780 What is, once again, where do they go to get the 900 pages? Also, I think 47 page executive

00:49:54.280 summary, but we want, our audience loves immersing themselves in the details. Then where do they

00:49:59.140 go for your social media and all of it? Cause people want to keep up with you too.

00:50:02.620 Well, uh, go to project 2025.org, the books there. Um, what you can do is sign up in the database and

00:50:10.260 create a profile. Those hoping to serve can take the classes online. We have a series of 40 online

00:50:17.200 lectures teaching you how to function in government. And as well, you know, look at our, our news releases

00:50:23.660 that are coming out. We're on social media project 2025 without the vowels, I believe at, uh, Twitter

00:50:32.060 and rumble and the rest. We'll put it all out. Uh, Dr. Kevin Roberts and the team at heritage and

00:50:37.720 Russ vote and the team is here at taking the incoming, but it's a, it's a coalition of 80 conservative

00:50:42.840 groups. This is what's so powerful about it. It's really the gathering of the tribes. Everybody's

00:50:46.940 coming together, putting their two cents in, putting their best people to work on this coalition.

00:50:50.660 Absolutely. No, that, that was the, the really, um, invigorating part was that we, we have

00:50:56.920 some petty rivalries here in the conservative movement, but you know, everyone realizes it's

00:51:02.220 existential for us here in 2020. So we put this stuff to the side and, you know, you look

00:51:09.820 at whether it's conservative partnership Institute or, you know, leadership Institute, these are

00:51:15.440 stalwarts. Um, and you know, they're all joining together and we're, and with new, uh, American

00:51:21.880 moment, there's new groups, the whole fold is kind of coming together to, to put, to, we're gonna have

00:51:27.540 a lot more about this. Uh, Paul, thank you so much for doing this, stepping away from a fabulous career

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Bannon's War Room - November 13, 2023

Episode 3172： Failure Of The RNC; Targeting The Administrative State

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