In this episode, we talk about Christian nationalism and its influence in American politics. We also discuss the role of religion and politics in American culture, and the role that religion has played in shaping American culture and politics.
00:00:00.000You know, what you're sort of what you're sort of getting at here is Christian nationalism, right?
00:00:03.860I read the I haven't read the book yet, but I read the piece that you put out in The Atlantic about it that ended with the pastor who took over for your father,
00:00:11.000who was trying to fight the takeover of Trump in the in the church.
00:00:15.740You asked him what's happened to the evangelicals in America, and he said they love America too much.
00:00:20.740It's like they're is that what we're dealing with here?
00:00:22.900Is this what what this what the evangelical or at least for some evangelicals that are supporting Trump morphed into Christian nationalism?
00:00:29.420I think so. And listen, Christian nationalism is a loaded term, and it means different things to different people.
00:00:35.420So I think clarifying in this context what the definition is, is helpful.
00:00:40.180At the end of the day, if you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you are called to a citizenship in heaven and you are called to be a part of the kingdom of God.
00:00:49.960And we are warned as Christians throughout Scripture, Old Testament and New Testament prayers and epistles all the way through.
00:00:56.620It's not ambiguous that your identity is rooted in heaven.
00:01:01.080Your identity is rooted in following Jesus.
00:01:04.820Unfortunately, I think this love of country, which can be healthy to a point, over realized among some of these evangelical Christians,
00:01:14.260has sort of merged two kingdoms into one and has created this this belief that somehow if America falls, then God himself is defeated.
00:01:24.400When again, as Christians, we believe that Jesus triumphed over the grave.
00:03:38.480No matter what you say, I've just listed all the evidence, right?
00:03:42.660The formation of democracy, the republic, the human rights architecture, the freedom architecture that brought us the free market system that's now feeding a billion Chinese and a billion Indian people all made in the image of God.
00:03:56.900That's something to be proud of, brother.
00:03:58.780That's what your Christian evangelicals have constructed.
00:04:01.880All of that was constructed to prevent the tyrant, to prevent the Marxists and the communists and the fascists from ever taking charge.
00:04:10.720Your side, Tim, the guys you're sitting with, they want the giant administrative state.
00:04:15.700So please answer me this one question, Tim.
00:04:17.760Do you want a larger administrative state or a smaller administrative state?
00:04:23.280And everything hangs on your answer to that single question.
00:04:31.780Dave, how do people get to you on social media?
00:04:34.340And how do they get to you if they want to talk to you about your Liberty University?
00:04:39.200I understand you come on here in your personal capacity, but there's so many people interested in the great education down there, particularly in today's time.
00:04:45.100You see the Ivy Leagues, your Princeton and my Harvard, not exactly looking that good, not exactly standing up.
00:04:54.400If I had time, I would have done human reason, the same logic all the way through.
00:05:00.060And so, yeah, parents, come visit Liberty University.
00:05:02.540I'm going around the country giving talks now and loving that.
00:05:05.960All the charts from yesterday and today will be up at Bratt Economics on Getter.
00:05:10.400I just went through the basic categories, right, democracy, republic, human rights, free market system.
00:05:17.880All those take a lifetime of study for the young ones.
00:05:21.120So get them digging in right now and get them ready to roll.
00:05:24.840We need to defend this country and don't let the gaslighters get you off track.
00:09:18.040So, one of the things I learned at 60 Minutes, one of the things my former boss was very good at,
00:09:23.140was taking long-form investigative stories and investigative storytelling and news that really sort of endures
00:09:30.600and bringing that to the hard news of the moment.
00:09:34.640And one of the things that Clay Higgins could do for us was to bring us into what is happening with January 6th now.
00:09:40.720So, like, for example, I'm working on Victoria White's story, which is a very powerful story and really should have been told a thousand times already.
00:09:49.000But because of the neglect of the media today, these stories have fallen by the wayside.
00:09:54.000But that story could be told at any time after January 6th.
00:09:57.680Clay Higgins' story had to be done now, because this is about what they are learning right now,
00:10:03.300what they are revealing right now, what they're working on right now.
00:10:07.420And so it's very, very important that people hear about this, because I feel like we're reaching a watershed moment here.
00:10:18.020You know, we've gone from a position where, as you know, you were one of the few people in the very beginning who would talk about January 6th, right?
00:10:24.660We had Republicans as well as Democrats making it the—you were like an untouchable if you went to D.C.
00:10:31.660It didn't matter if you didn't do anything.
00:11:31.400The Higgins takes this to the next level because this is even beyond a travesty of justice.
00:11:36.820What he's saying is that he has proof and will say it that the senior levels of law enforcement, the FBI, the Justice Department, were part of a plot, not to just simply cover it up, part of a plot to instigate this.
00:11:52.760This changes the entire dynamics of this.
00:11:54.780A lot of people are saying they knew about it or afterwards, and they had covered it up, and we haven't gotten the information they picked on these guys.
00:12:01.040Higgins is saying something totally different about those white buses.
00:12:04.140Let's talk to – we've got a couple of minutes on this side.
00:12:08.340He's actually the first person of any official capacity to be able to come out and say – because Cash and these guys talk about, hey, we gave them all this intelligence.
00:12:40.920One of the things that Higgins points to, which is probably among the most damning evidence, is the fact that these ideas – the idea of taking the capital and all these sort of catchphrases that you hear in the narrative that are repeated endlessly by the media afterwards.
00:12:56.300That's your roadmap to the information operation, right?
00:13:01.580So if you can find those catchphrases inside these chat rooms where people were talking before January 6th, and you can trace those back with their IP addresses to where they were coming from, what Higgins is saying is that when they did that, they found that a lot of those ideas and those messages were traced back to FBI agents who were undercover or FBI informants who were undercover.
00:13:23.880So that's one part of it, and we know that because we've already seen that with the Bretman Whitmer kidnapping plot up in Michigan.
00:13:31.700That was cited by Joe Biden and many others as being the ultimate example of the existential threat posed by white men in this country and by white supremacists, right?
00:13:41.220And then what we find out when it goes through the courts is that there were a significant number of FBI agents.
00:13:47.560In fact, I think by some count there are more than there are people who are actually plotting to kidnap.
00:13:52.720And then you see people being acquitted one after another because this is all BS.
00:13:57.520I mean, quite frankly, that's what it is.
00:13:59.620And so this is the same pattern that you see with January 6th.
00:14:02.560And then there's other evidence, like seeing people inside the Capitol, police officers, going into bathrooms.
00:14:08.360This is on camera, according to Higgins, and he says that he's seen this video, and they come out and they're dressed out of the bathroom.
00:14:15.200They're now dressed as Trump supporters or construction workers and so on.
00:14:18.760And this is before the doors are open.
00:20:29.840I mean, this country has been absolutely trampled.
00:20:33.480And just because it doesn't affect you directly, maybe you're one of those people that wakes up every day and reads the New York Times, or you're a conservative thinks, I didn't go to January 6th.
00:20:58.480What platform is he using inside the House to actually do this investigation that he's done?
00:21:05.080And given your investigative skills, do you think it's legit?
00:21:09.820And do you think that at least what you've seen so far, he's got the receipts?
00:21:13.940Well, I wouldn't have put him out there if I didn't think it was legit, right?
00:21:19.000If I thought that he was dishonest or didn't have the receipts, we would not have done the story with him or done the interview with him at all.
00:21:27.020So I do believe that it is legit, particularly because, you know, you can see, Steve, when you watch this interview, I interrogated him, right?
00:21:49.840You know, so this was not a walk in the park.
00:21:52.760And it takes, you know, it takes some courage in this environment for somebody to sit down and answer those questions and do it willingly and do it for the three hours or so that we held him to this interview, you know, in his office on Capitol Hill.
00:22:16.840When he says to you, we've identified who one of those charter buses, who it belongs to, we have eyewitness testimony, we have whistleblowers who've come forward.
00:22:28.600Part of this investigation he did on his own.
00:22:31.120In a sense, it was through his office because immediately following January 6th, the Republicans didn't have control of the House.
00:22:38.520And so there were no investigative committees, not real ones anyway, besides the show trial that was the January 6th select committee.
00:22:45.820And so he was doing it at first through his office.
00:22:48.040But since the Republicans took over, he's been on the Oversight Committee.
00:22:52.220So some of this investigation is done through the Oversight Committee.
00:22:55.880And then, you know, you have other concurrent committees right now, like the House Administration Subcommittee, which is run by Barry Loudermook.
00:23:02.940You've got the Weaponization Committee under Jim Jordan.
00:23:06.740You know, you've got James Comer and his work going on.
00:23:09.840And what Higgins said to me is that they're all cooperating to a degree.
00:23:14.560They all stay within the parameters of what they're legally able to do, but they're also cooperating.
00:23:21.000And, you know, he was—I really pushed him on the fact that Mike Johnson hasn't released all of the hours yet.
00:23:27.720He hasn't released all of the evidence.
00:23:29.760And he said, you know, he said, we'll see on that one.
00:23:33.580He believes that the American people are going to get access to all of it and not just what happened inside the Capitol, not just what happened on the Capitol grounds, but all the other video evidence that helps them trace the movement of assets and people.
00:23:49.040So, for example, you know, those FBI agents or suspected FBI agents that he describes as having gotten off the bus, you know, they want to trace those individuals from Union Station to the escalators to all the way along D.C.
00:24:06.980Because one thing for people to bear in mind when they assess this information is that Washington, D.C. is probably the most surveilled city on the planet.
00:24:15.420There are, you know, there are cameras on every street corner.
00:24:23.840It also is a counterterrorism zone, you know, places like the Capitol building.
00:24:28.460These places have—I mean, they're designed to be secured against nuclear biological warfare, all right?
00:24:34.440I mean, these—when you're talking about the kind of security you have there, the idea that a bunch of people could just show up and, you know, blast their way in with no problem whatsoever.
00:24:44.240I mean, that should make—if that were actually true, if that were actually real, it should terrify every American.
00:24:51.020Because what it would say is that we have no defenses.
00:24:54.760I mean, that one of the most secure, significant buildings in America has no real defenses.
00:25:02.320No, it—this—what he—the direction he's going is the only way that the cash and all this about Bowser and Pelosi and all that really makes sense.
00:25:17.400I mean, being on Capitol Hill, I remember that day when we said, what's going on—you know, this is in the morning.
00:25:22.920But they just—they got the bicycle racks, and they got the out-of-shape Capitol Hill police are nice enough people, but they're not—they're not a real security force, right?
00:25:32.540They're drinking a—you know, they're drinking a cup of coffee and having a donut and letting people come in and out of the Capitol.
00:25:37.420They're almost like essentially tour guides.
00:25:41.460They may have some guys that are specially armed, but it's not many.
00:25:44.560They had—they just had the bicycle racks.
00:25:46.520There was no preparation at all, which makes no sense whatsoever.
00:25:49.840You hear the cash part, but now Higgins—if Higgins is correct, that makes this whole thing make sense.
00:25:57.200It's the only way to make sense, isn't it?
00:25:59.940Well, it's interesting because I've spoken to a number of law enforcement, very senior law enforcement people, while I've been investigating this.
00:26:07.460And one of the first things they tell you is that if they wanted to secure the Capitol, they would have done so.
00:26:12.260I mean, they would have had mounted police officers just as a start because one mounted cop, whether he's on a horse or on a bike, is worth 10 who's on the ground.
00:26:22.560So that's why there's—the video makes sense when you watch this video where there's a number of police officers, and one of them is saying, we've been set up.
00:26:37.340And what I would say to you, Steve, about the officers, you know, sitting, drinking coffee, eating a donut, is there are layers to the security at the Capitol.
00:26:46.040And there are many layers that we don't see that they have access to that were not activated.
00:26:51.860For example, all that violence that happened in the tunnel, well, you will see—I followed that video to the end.
00:26:58.120And what you will see when we show it to you in one of the upcoming episodes is that it took one guy about 12 seconds to clear that tunnel.
00:27:06.500And he had a semi-unition rifle, right?
00:27:14.140But he was—the Capitol Police allowed him to come through, and bam, bam, bam, it was done.
00:27:18.720And if they had wanted to do that hours before Roseanne Boylan died, hours before when Victoria White was being beaten, hours before these police officers were injured in the tunnel, they could have done that.
00:27:32.300And that starts to make more sense when you listen to a guy like Higgins and you find out from him that there were—these ideas did not come necessarily from protesters.
00:27:42.380Some of these ideas came from plants within these groups because that's consistent with what we've seen happening for years now, okay?
00:27:51.240So it's not just new with January 6th.
00:27:53.760And when Higgins talks about the goat button, one of the important things that he says is we can trace this.
00:28:00.260This is not something that just happened.
00:28:02.520There is an evidence trail here, and we're going to find it.
00:30:08.080Dr. Stephen Hatfield is going to join me today in the studio.
00:30:12.680We're also going to break down further this zero-hedge analysis.
00:30:19.340They do a really good job of tying it all together with charts and graphs of what we said yesterday
00:30:23.780about the administrative state or deep state part of the central bank and the Treasury Department
00:30:28.540doing a massive, massive Keynesian stimulus through fiat currency, cash infusion, through Treasury and the Fed.
00:30:38.120We'll break that all down for you because they have made a determination under no circumstances will Donald Trump return to the White House.
00:30:45.120And so now the part of the administrative state that's not the biopharmaceutical
00:30:48.560or the law enforcement national security intelligence, of which Laura Logan's talking about right now.
00:30:56.200And you see the reason they're going to do this.
00:31:26.880And if you look at the charges that Laura Logan's bringing up today, it's mind-boggling but quite logical.
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00:31:44.540We've been pretty prescient about all the moves that happen, the deficits, the debt, the debt ceiling, all of it.
00:31:50.860But it's more turbulence to come, and that's why you need to go and ask Philip Patrick and the team.
00:31:55.100And Philip will be with me for an hour on tomorrow's show to break all this down.
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00:32:29.840Laura, what you're talking about is going forward, if you look at the logic of – and I know we want to get into the air marshals for a second, but I just want to stick with Higgins.
00:32:37.400If you look at the logic in his drive on this investigation and you think everything else is going on, I mean, you're going to have simultaneously an investigation into Biden taking money from the CCP back in – starting in 2015 as vice president.
00:32:53.140And also taking money from the Ukrainians.
00:32:57.180And this is why he's so maniacally focused on getting $60 billion.
00:33:16.040Then you look at yours happening simultaneously.
00:33:18.180Or Higgins, people are going to say, oh, my God, because this gets to the core.
00:33:22.520Remember, the FBI and the Justice Department knew all about – they had the laptop from hell nine months before Rudy and I got it or seven months before Rudy, nine months before I saw it.
00:33:32.320And I could tell you in 15 minutes and everything I've said at the time it came on the show and talked about was in the New York Post has all been shown to be 100 percent accurate.
00:34:07.580This may be the biggest thing because you're actually saying, and Higgins is saying, he says he has the receipts, that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Justice Department,
00:34:17.220the highest levels institutionally – this is what we talked about in the first hour, the rot in the institutions – that institutionally these people conceived of and pulled off January 6th to make sure that Trump would not just be removed from the presidency that he had won but would never return, would be smeared forever with that, ma'am.
00:34:42.420And, you know, for anyone who's in law enforcement, they understand how these kind of operations work.
00:34:47.980Like, for example, Higgins talked about the fact that the TSA had handed over lists of everyone who flew to January 6th to D.C. for January 6th.
00:34:58.700They handed that over to the ranking Republican on the Select Committee and to Benny Thompson, right, the chairman of the Select Committee.
00:35:06.220And then the FBI put these people on suspected watch lists.
00:35:09.460And so you would have heard, I'm sure, from people that you know that when they're traveling, they're being pulled aside and they have marshals waiting and, you know, people – security – taking them to the plane and keeping them from flying.
00:35:21.960And that's because of this letter, right, and that's because of something that Higgins said, is that he's just learned that there are teams of three air marshals that are trailing, putting physical surveillance on every single person that the FBI has put on that suspected terrorist watch list.
00:35:40.040And some of these people have never been accused of a crime.
00:35:43.640They've never been charged with a crime.
00:35:45.360They've never been – have any – they don't have any connection towards terrorism whatsoever, and yet they're treated as domestic terrorists.
00:35:53.860And I want to say, Steve, if you've got three air marshals that are tracking people, you know, there's a whole infrastructure behind that of the United States government.
00:36:03.040You've got people whose job it is to make sure that they know when anyone on the list is actually traveling.
00:36:08.700Then you've got these guys who are your air marshals.
00:36:12.520There has to be a command center that's running this.
00:36:15.360You have at least three shifts of people every single day that are managing this operation.
00:36:20.680And this has been going on for almost three years.
00:36:24.360Okay, the expense to the U.S. taxpayer is absolutely unbelievable.
00:36:29.560Never mind that Higgins said if you continue to use surface transportation, that is public transportation, but surface as in, you know, not just in the air, not just airplanes, then they continue to trail you.
00:36:42.160So, I mean, can you imagine why is it that we are tracking decent American citizens who have never been accused or convicted of a crime and pouring these kind of assets into them?
00:36:54.860And why has no one on Capitol Hill asked these questions?
00:36:59.020Why are we only finding out about this now, three years in?
00:37:05.200And if you are stupid enough to believe that this is because these people are bad or these people, you know, the right is bad or Trump is bad.
00:37:13.780If you think this is happening because of that, then you can't be helped because you're just incapable of seeing what is right in front of your eyes, which is that when you have this kind of operation going on, of course, it goes all the way to the top.
00:37:27.820You can't have it happening unless that is the case.
00:37:31.680And when Higgins confronted Christopher Wray, when he testified, you'll notice that Wray just dodges the question every time and he goes straight to the default, which is if you're saying that the violence was orchestrated by senior levels of the FBI, then you're wrong.
00:37:45.940Right. And this is what they get away with.
00:37:52.540And they say, and, you know, when I refer to powerful people that control the flow of information in this country, look at who some of them are.
00:38:03.940They go all the way from Media Matters Now to Facts First USA, where David Brock is continuing to do his work, where he's now going after people trying to make sure that there's this invisible wall between everything that you say and everything that I report.
00:38:18.160And by all those people out there in the United States who want the truth, right, they make sure that those people never hear the truth.
00:38:25.720And that's how they plan to get away with it, by isolating us and using the powers that we have given them, because they do serve the people.
00:38:35.220They have every intention of using that power to suppress us permanently.
00:38:39.660There's no coming back from this if they prevail.
00:38:42.060And to walk people through, so where does this, we got about five minutes, I want you to walk through, where is your investigation going, the other installments, and how will that dovetail or will it with when Higgins begins to adjudicate this?
00:38:56.980Because obviously, as the power of your work, but coupled with a formal, you know, hearing or a formal presentation in Congress by a sitting congressman and a team is obviously next level.
00:39:07.900So walk us through where you're going first and how you think that's going to dovetail with Higgins, because of everything going on, this will obviously be the story of the year.
00:39:15.780And this will lead to, how do I say, because they're not going to back off.
00:39:21.620So this is going to be explosive in the corrective action one must take.
00:39:25.860So tell us where you're going, ma'am, on this.
00:39:29.580Well, Higgins is not the only person on Capitol Hill who's investigating.
00:39:34.060I mentioned James Comer, Barry Loudermilk.
00:39:36.020You know, I asked Barry Loudermilk, is this potentially the biggest setup in American history?
00:41:50.220And they've got – they're under attack all the time.
00:41:52.860They've got so many people in their own party trying to subvert them as they pursue this that, you know,
00:41:58.420it's quite something when the threat is not just coming from across the aisle, but it's coming from your own side.
00:42:03.860And that's why people need to speak up because the less people speak up, these people are just going to continue to suppress this information.
00:42:11.040This information – this is why – maybe I'm missing it.
00:42:15.940But if this information came out now officially, and this is why I don't understand what Johnson and these guys are doing,
00:42:21.240even Comer, the impeachment is obviously very important.
00:42:24.280But if this came out, all the trials against Trump would be dismissed immediately.
00:42:28.220You have to put them on hold for years to get to the bottom of this.
00:42:30.980You can't – how can you try to charge Trump for January 6th what they're charging with when – if this information came out,
00:42:39.980you clearly have to, I think, dismiss it or delay the trial to get to the bottom of this.
00:42:44.720This changes everything at such a fundamental level.
00:42:47.660That's why I'm kind of missing how the Republican Party or guys – go ahead, man.
00:42:52.360You are 100 percent right, but it doesn't just change it for Trump.
00:42:56.980It changes it for every January 6th defendant, for every single one who realized that there are still people being arrested.