Bannon's War Room - December 21, 2023


Episode 3264： The Truth Of Holiday Music; America Is Built On MAGA


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55 minutes

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168.33595

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9,300

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748

Misogynist Sentences

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Transcript

00:00:00.000 We're playing the Christmas music through the holidays, through the Christmas holidays.
00:00:17.740 Thursday, 21 December, the year of our Lord, 2023.
00:00:20.640 Welcome back to the War Room.
00:00:22.880 I'm going to bring in all three.
00:00:24.480 Don't those, the carols, and we can play hundreds of these.
00:00:30.600 But from the 19th century, maybe the early 20th, but definitely from the 18th and 19th century.
00:00:36.120 Don't they show a culture that's confident in themselves, these complex and beautiful.
00:00:42.560 I'll start with Raheem, and then I want to hear Brett and Ben before we get down to the more mundane topics of geopolitics and money.
00:00:50.540 Raheem, first.
00:00:51.420 That's one of the reasons I love the Christmas season.
00:00:53.240 You play these carols that are just absolutely incredible.
00:00:57.380 Your thoughts?
00:00:59.000 Yeah, well, not just that.
00:01:00.000 And you're absolutely right about that.
00:01:01.920 But they also show, you know, more than about the nation, but about the civilization, right?
00:01:07.860 This was a hymn that was constructed off the back of a 300-year-old Finnish poem, I think it was,
00:01:15.880 that itself went on the back of another 300-year-old carol that was being, or song that was being sung.
00:01:24.900 And that was predicated on the story of a 10th century bohemian king, King Wenceslas.
00:01:31.600 And, of course, the only, not to put a lump of coal in the stocking, as Andy Biggs said last night, but the only statue to St. Wenceslas now in the world is in Prague.
00:01:43.160 And, unfortunately, we have terrible news coming out of Prague this morning with what's happening there.
00:01:48.500 And that is kind of everything coming home, right?
00:01:51.340 The chicken's coming home to roost because that's where it started.
00:01:54.880 That's how it started.
00:01:56.060 That's what it sounded like.
00:01:57.260 And the carnage today is quite some way away from that.
00:02:04.120 We'll come back to that in a moment.
00:02:07.000 Ben Harnwell, your thoughts.
00:02:08.960 I think Raheem said what I was thinking.
00:02:12.760 It shows a confidence in a civilization, a confidence in a culture when you go back and listen to these.
00:02:17.780 Your thoughts, sir?
00:02:19.640 Steve, I mean, that's absolutely right.
00:02:21.060 You don't really get four-part music now at all, not for popular consumption.
00:02:29.220 You basically have a melody, a melody that's at the top, and then you have harmonic progression needed.
00:02:34.940 You don't really have four separate parts moving, as you would do in sort of church hymns around the Wesleyan period.
00:02:45.240 But, you know, look, people have been lamenting the decline of culture,
00:02:49.820 specifically on the point that you just mentioned, right, for centuries.
00:02:53.660 There was a lot of sort of scholastic concern when we moved from the Baroque period into the Classical period,
00:03:00.980 because you had the four-part sort of harmonic writing counterpoint from Bach.
00:03:07.060 And then in the Classical period of Haydn and Mozart, it's basically just a form of popular music today.
00:03:13.940 Melody and then sort of block harmonies beneath it.
00:03:16.680 So, yes, look, yes, absolutely right.
00:03:19.660 There is a confidence, almost a swagger, even, a swagger, confidence in the art, the artistry.
00:03:29.700 Because, Steve, look, let's be honest here.
00:03:32.720 This idiom here that we're talking about, this represents the zenith of the Judeo-Christian Western classical tradition.
00:03:41.660 And that has been declining for centuries, really, if you compare modern...
00:03:46.920 You know, by the way, what we call high arts today was popular culture a couple of centuries ago.
00:03:53.080 This really just illustrates how far we've declined.
00:03:56.600 And, of course, you know, just picking off now what Rahim was saying about the tragedy at the university in Prague today.
00:04:05.320 As these trends continue, we're going to be watching with open mouths just how much further we have to fall in the grand abasement of Western civilization.
00:04:14.000 Dave Bratt, your thoughts from Liberty?
00:04:19.580 Great to follow up my two friends with the English accents.
00:04:22.720 Tough act to follow.
00:04:25.060 But Jordan Peterson has been getting at this as well and shows that music, our language at the deep psychological deepest levels comes out of music, from music.
00:04:36.960 Music, of course, is probably considered the highest of the arts, the range of controlling the emotions and leading us to new heights that's built into music conveys what science and scientism cannot convey.
00:04:52.200 And that's the grandeur of God.
00:04:53.820 And so as we approach Christmas season, we're confronted with the infinite God Almighty, the God of wrath and the God of love, the God of law, the God of liberty, embedding himself in man.
00:05:08.680 God becoming man in a child, Jesus born in a manger, the highest becoming the lowest.
00:05:15.540 These are metaphysical claims of the highest order.
00:05:18.680 The modern world is missing out on all of this, and the music harkens back to the great day when we had this confidence.
00:05:26.040 What more confidence can you have than knowing that God Almighty up in the heavens has come to earth because he loves you that much and that part of God shines in you, right?
00:05:36.980 That his light is in you.
00:05:39.340 If that doesn't give you a boost every day and if that doesn't give you confidence, and there are mysteries that are embedded in this narrative.
00:05:46.220 It's not simple, right?
00:05:47.660 Blessed are the peacemakers.
00:05:49.560 But St. Augustine says if the innocents are getting hurt, it's time to go to war, right?
00:05:54.460 There are all sorts of what appear to be contradictions, but the story of the Bible and the narrative of the Bible overwhelms and transcends those man-made contradictions.
00:06:06.540 God's system is not our own.
00:06:08.560 It comes in a story, in simple stories that Jesus told, and boy, does music help to tell that story.
00:06:16.220 It's one of the reasons we play so much Christmas music during this holiday season.
00:06:22.440 From the sublime to the less sublime, I want to give everybody's take.
00:06:26.720 You start, Ben, the situation in Ukraine.
00:06:30.400 This got to be a major piece of the town hall last night.
00:06:32.860 I can tell you, MAGA, the MAGA folks in basically rural Arizona are not fans of shoveling any more money to Ukraine and less fans of tying our sovereignty bend to money to Ukraine.
00:06:48.020 But tell us, Ukraine now is in panic mode.
00:06:49.900 Zelensky is in panic mode, something they should have thought about a long time ago.
00:06:52.360 Talk to us about what's happening there.
00:06:53.600 You see, well, look, the perfect liftoff point for this hit today, then, is the fact that over half of the American public now believes that the U.S. is spending too much money on Ukraine.
00:07:05.900 That's the starting point, I think, of any analysis that we're going to be talking about.
00:07:10.500 This is trends moving forward over the next 12 months towards November of next year.
00:07:15.460 That's what it's really all about now, isn't it?
00:07:17.140 Well, we spoke yesterday on the show about this announcement that Wladimir Zelensky said in his end-of-year analysis.
00:07:26.260 He said that they're going to start a draft of up to about 500,000 Ukrainians.
00:07:33.260 And we said yesterday on the show, well, where are these people going to come from?
00:07:37.420 Well, today, the development is that there's now been some intimations that we can speculate.
00:07:41.980 And that is that the Ukrainian armed forces, the recruitments, want to start tapping into this great reserve of not necessarily young Ukrainians,
00:07:52.380 but Ukrainians who have left, fled the territory of Ukraine over the last two years.
00:07:58.480 In fact, what they're looking to do is to tap into the age bracket of between 25 and 60,
00:08:04.800 which sort of shows you really where Ukraine is now on the sliding scale towards the end game.
00:08:13.760 I just say that according to the Eurostat, which is the official European Union statistics agency,
00:08:22.020 they've noted that 780,000 Ukrainians are now within the European Union out of Ukraine.
00:08:29.440 So that's somewhat of where that offers the pull, I think, of where Ukraine might tap.
00:08:34.900 That's not including Ukrainians who fled elsewhere.
00:08:38.240 I'll close with this point, though, Steve, just to pick up a point, which is a headline in the Financial Times today.
00:08:44.400 What if Russia wins, right?
00:08:45.980 I could go into that article because it has a few points in it, but I won't.
00:08:49.180 What I want to say is people now, we've been covering this, the mainstream media, the analysts,
00:08:54.080 everyone realizes that we are in the end game now.
00:08:56.700 So if you're a young guy and you successfully fled Ukraine,
00:09:00.960 what possible incentive will there be to go back into the meat grinder when the game is done, right?
00:09:07.560 The game is done. The war is effectively over.
00:09:10.780 It's now rushes to win because we've already hit the high watermark of Western involvement now.
00:09:16.300 So at this point, it's only going to be to Vladimir Putin's advantage.
00:09:21.200 So if you're a young guy or even a 58-year-old taxi driver that the New York Times did a review on last week,
00:09:28.640 that was press ganged in to active service, if you are Ukrainian,
00:09:32.900 why would you possibly want to go in now into the meat grinder when it's not going to affect the final result?
00:09:39.580 What it might potentially affect, and this is the deal here,
00:09:42.460 is that the optics of losing Ukraine before November are going to be very bad for the Democrats and for Biden generally.
00:09:51.380 So look, the question is this, right?
00:09:53.720 How much do you value your own life vis-a-vis Biden's shabby re-election effort?
00:09:59.220 That is really the thing that is dragging this war on from its conclusion.
00:10:04.660 And what we need to be doing in the West, rather than facilitating the pushing of people into the meat grinder,
00:10:11.560 is getting both sides down to the peace table to negotiate a ceasefire and then move forward from there, Steve.
00:10:20.540 Rahim, last night in front of this MAGA audience of patriots and people who love their country,
00:10:27.700 other than Nikki Haley, their derision of Nikki Haley being vice president for President Trump,
00:10:33.320 this was the hot-button issue, I thought, Ukraine and the border and the outrage of tying our border sovereignty to more money for Ukraine.
00:10:42.620 Given the geopolitics we just heard, is MAGA and the American working man and woman,
00:10:48.360 are they far ahead of the Atlanticist and our betters in Brussels, Davos, the city of London, the Upper East Side of New York, sir?
00:10:57.400 Yeah, well, you know, I wrote this piece for the National Pulse this morning, reflecting on what we did last night.
00:11:07.900 But really, what I learned last night at the Cowboy Church, I love these moments where I get to go into real America
00:11:14.420 and shake hands and have conversations with real, real, real salt-of-the-earth Americans,
00:11:20.100 because immediately you find this wisdom that you don't find in Midtown Manhattan,
00:11:25.240 that you don't find on Capitol Hill, that you don't find in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills or anywhere like that.
00:11:31.300 And it's pretty simplistic in the way that it works.
00:11:35.040 The epistemology of it is really, really very obvious, should be obvious at least.
00:11:42.520 And here's what it is.
00:11:44.180 The people who were in the Cowboy Church in Casa Grande last night do not fancy themselves as smarter than this nation's founders.
00:11:54.120 And so what they do is they look back through history and they go, ah, right, no permanent alliances.
00:11:58.300 Get it. And I understand why.
00:12:00.560 The people who occupy the halls of power in Washington, D.C., India class in New York,
00:12:06.400 start from a position that because several centuries have passed,
00:12:11.860 therefore they must be smarter than the people who founded this nation.
00:12:15.420 They must be smarter than the people who came before them.
00:12:19.180 They must be smarter than old King Wenceslas.
00:12:21.800 And that is the arrogance of, we talk about it all the time, it's the arrogance of scientism,
00:12:27.600 it's the arrogance of humanism,
00:12:30.140 and it's the arrogance of this inability to pass not just your people's history but human history through that lens.
00:12:39.140 That's what you saw in the Cowboy Church last night.
00:12:41.680 I know it sort of sounds like a great abstraction from that, but that's certainly what I saw.
00:12:47.600 And we can talk about kind of who these people are, right?
00:12:51.220 I talk about the toughest boot leather types that were in that crowd last night.
00:12:55.900 But what they also are is people who are extremely generous in spirit but who are done with that generosity being taken advantage of.
00:13:04.860 That's what you see when you talk about Ukraine and the money there.
00:13:07.640 That's what you see when you talk about the billions going to foreign wars all over the world.
00:13:13.000 And that's what you see when they talk about the border, right?
00:13:15.860 Americans are typically pretty generous in spirit.
00:13:18.300 But the second, just like Englishmen, by the way, the second we feel like we are being taken advantage of, we are very, very willing to cut that cord.
00:13:27.940 Let me – no, I don't think it – I think it's a brilliant analysis.
00:13:31.660 Are they different really than the folks that Churchill had to depend upon when the royal family wanted to cut a deal with the Nazis in 1940 after France fell?
00:13:40.120 Are they very much different than those labor types up in the Midlands that Churchill had to depend on to have his back that said, no, no, no, we're going to fight the Nazis to the end?
00:13:51.680 Well, I think the major difference – I was talking to some people outside of the venue at the end of it last night.
00:13:59.820 I think the major difference is this.
00:14:03.420 You can go to town halls and meetings like that across the United Kingdom.
00:14:09.780 But what you won't get is the depth and level of political information, level of political intelligence and awareness that you got in Casa Grande last night.
00:14:21.180 They're clued up.
00:14:22.460 They're switched on.
00:14:23.360 They're hyper-focused on not just what is going on in their nation but the future of their nation.
00:14:30.620 But I think the same stock of people certainly is what you're saying.
00:14:34.220 The same stock of people, the same class of people.
00:14:36.940 But that's the amazing thing about Americans.
00:14:38.720 You could be in the middle of the desert and know exactly what's going on and feel attuned to it.
00:14:43.020 I mean there are people in there, by the way, who have way more information than all the people I talk to on Capitol Hill.
00:14:49.480 Hang one second.
00:14:50.440 I want to take a short break.
00:14:51.240 Raheem Brett Parnwell will join us next after a short break.
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00:16:31.520 Okay.
00:16:31.800 Thank you.
00:16:33.360 Amazing.
00:16:34.220 Love this music.
00:16:35.800 But Rahim, go back to this point because this is about this audience.
00:16:38.920 This audience has turned into a major political force.
00:16:42.840 And you can see that last night when you have Eli Crane, Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz, who are three
00:16:48.000 powerhouses that have really shifted the direction of political history with this audience having
00:16:53.240 its back.
00:16:54.120 And folks, you were represented.
00:16:57.000 Amfest was amazing.
00:16:58.440 But the Cowboy Church even, I think, went next level last night.
00:17:02.380 This is a very simple, plain church in the deserts outside of Casa Grande.
00:17:08.520 And it's just, you know, these are, this is the typical thing that we talk about that
00:17:13.600 would we rather be governed by the top 100 partners of McKinsey or Goldman Sachs or the
00:17:18.800 first 100 people that walked into the Cowboy Church last night.
00:17:22.040 It would take the first 100 of the Cowboy Church every day of the week.
00:17:25.640 Common sense, decency, understanding of life, all of it.
00:17:31.280 But Rahim, go back to the thing of information because this is important for this audience.
00:17:35.260 And we said this, I said this with Charlie Kirk the other day.
00:17:37.740 One of the hardest things to show is keeping ahead of the audience.
00:17:40.400 And last night, you could see that this was a tougher audience, a more informed audience
00:17:45.300 than you would get at the top university.
00:17:47.980 If you compared going to Harvard and talking to the undergraduates, to that audience last
00:17:52.540 night, there's not even a comparison.
00:17:54.940 I'm talking about the government students or the political science students or to go on
00:17:58.460 Wall Street and talk to a bunch of investment bankers or a bunch of partners at the investment
00:18:02.720 bank.
00:18:03.300 It's just, it's two different things.
00:18:06.080 Rahim Kassam.
00:18:06.760 If you think I'm going to allow that to go unaddressed, that you stole my line from last
00:18:14.040 night about the first 100 people that walked into the Cowboy Church.
00:18:18.560 But it was a good line.
00:18:19.660 It's an homage.
00:18:20.560 Let me repeat.
00:18:21.340 Let me, let me, it's, it's a Buckley.
00:18:23.160 We rip it off from Buckley, but Rahim was smart enough to bring it up last night.
00:18:27.840 But let me say, hold it, one other thing.
00:18:29.700 Hold it.
00:18:30.060 You've got an English, you've got an Englishman who, you know, comes from a family from India
00:18:35.020 that was a Muslim belief and you've got 250 or 350, uh, essentially cowboy types, you
00:18:42.460 know, these kind of hard bitten Americans, uh, with this DC, they all know Rahim and they
00:18:46.700 know his writings from the days of Breitbart and National Pulse and being on War Room and
00:18:50.200 other shows.
00:18:51.020 So it's, it's guys very familiar with Rahim's, which is also in and of itself kind of amazing.
00:18:57.400 Is it not, sir?
00:18:59.280 Yeah, it is.
00:19:00.060 Uh, and, and it's true though, isn't it?
00:19:02.960 I mean, these were people in that audience who have raised families with, with, with,
00:19:08.160 you know, through great adversity.
00:19:10.080 They're people who have served their country in law enforcement, in the military, so on and
00:19:14.920 so forth.
00:19:15.760 Of course they know more.
00:19:17.340 Of course they know more than an NYU, you know, liberal arts grad.
00:19:21.580 Uh, but that is, but that is the, the clashing of civilizations that we're seeing taking place
00:19:26.580 on this continent right now is the, the, as we talked about with the music stuff, right?
00:19:31.280 It's the arrogance of modernity versus, versus, you know, civilizational, you know, wisdom
00:19:37.360 passed down through history, right?
00:19:39.580 And, and, and the juxtaposition is so stark, so stark that I'm actually willing to consider
00:19:46.280 that we should, we should put some money together and take a hundred NYU students and a hundred
00:19:52.200 people from the cowboy church and put them in the same room and film it all.
00:19:55.240 Because I think that would be a fascinating moment.
00:19:57.160 I think it'd be a fascinating moment for the country.
00:19:58.900 I think it'd be a fascinating learning moment, um, for those kids who, who, who are, you know,
00:20:04.500 they, they grow up being told that they're going to lead this nation, right?
00:20:07.740 Whether it's in the creative arts, whether it's through, you know, popular media, whether
00:20:11.120 it's through politics, NGOs, so on and so forth.
00:20:13.760 Um, and they know nothing.
00:20:16.060 And so even for me, I I've got to say no offense to you, no offense to Matt Gaetz, Andy Biggs,
00:20:22.020 Eli Crane, no offense to myself.
00:20:23.940 I wanted to hear more from the audience last night.
00:20:26.100 I did not want to hear more from that stage.
00:20:27.800 It was, it was just a phenomenal crowd.
00:20:29.580 Amen.
00:20:31.060 That was a, and the questions were brilliant.
00:20:33.460 Uh, there's a term for this, uh, Harnwell, I got to get you in for this cause I want this
00:20:36.720 a piece of nomenclature.
00:20:37.700 I want the audience to understand what, what are we talking about here?
00:20:40.020 Uh, we're talking about the inverted commas, the Whig interpretation of history, which
00:20:46.300 is a formulation somewhat after the, the event, which basically, because there weren't any
00:20:51.400 Whigs, I think, I think it was formulated around 1931.
00:20:54.340 Um, but it was a formulation really to describe the, the, the Whig tradition of the, of the
00:21:00.400 preceding centuries.
00:21:01.300 And that's exactly what Raheem was just talking about.
00:21:03.620 Really, I couldn't define it any better than the way Raheem did, where you have that the
00:21:08.320 Whiggish view, um, is that society is, is, is always moving forward.
00:21:13.400 It's, it's always evolving, improving.
00:21:15.400 Um, it's progressing, progressing.
00:21:18.360 Now, so that really sort of illustrates how progressives today are the, the natural heirs
00:21:23.920 of the, the, the Whiggish, uh, political philosophy.
00:21:27.260 And you contrast that with the, with say Edmund Burke, the Irishman, who was the father called
00:21:32.880 the father of modern conservatism, who, who's very, very much the antithesis of that idea,
00:21:37.840 which is that we have, you have the democracy of the dead, for example, um, and you, you
00:21:42.780 know, you, you have to be as much in tune with our forefathers, um, to be coherent, to
00:21:50.100 be honest to what came before you, you, you revere what, what, what became, what came
00:21:54.800 before.
00:21:55.040 And under that perspective, right, if we say that the, the, today's woke, uh, are basically
00:22:01.380 the, the, the, the heirs of the, the, the, the Whig interpretation of history, well, we
00:22:06.160 on, on, say, for example, on the, the economic nationalist front, the populist nationalist
00:22:10.620 front, where we're very much, uh, in the philosophical tradition of Burke in conservatism,
00:22:16.260 obviously, in both cases, updated to the modern political context.
00:22:20.900 That, that's, but that's what the cowboy church audience was.
00:22:23.880 It was Burke's dictum.
00:22:25.140 They understand our history and they understand we owe as much to those that came before us
00:22:29.120 as, you know, as those that come after.
00:22:31.860 And that you're in this period of time with you use your agency.
00:22:35.060 And they understand it's not a natural progression, that conservatism, that's oftentimes, it's
00:22:40.200 about decline.
00:22:41.400 And what the progressives take as, as, as progress, we look as absolute implosion and collapse
00:22:47.040 of a culture.
00:22:47.620 And you can see that in the music discussion we had.
00:22:49.680 Hang on one second.
00:22:50.240 I want to bring a Philip Patrick.
00:22:51.580 Philip, this gets back to also an understanding now of actually gold.
00:22:55.520 You, we talk about the converging factors that are happening, but you have very sophisticated
00:22:59.700 people in the world, not just people in the, in the, at the cowboy church, but people that
00:23:05.420 would sit there and go, well, we're much more sophisticated financially.
00:23:08.360 They've got the HB 12Cs.
00:23:10.460 They've, they've gone to Stanford and Chicago and Sloan at MIT and Harvard Business School.
00:23:16.400 They can do the numbers.
00:23:17.380 And they're sitting there, the central banks, they're buying gold in record rates.
00:23:21.400 And the reason they're buying gold is kind of Burkean is that they said, Hey, look, I
00:23:26.720 don't know how smart we are, but this has been a hedge against turbulence for five or
00:23:30.920 10,000 years.
00:23:31.940 And we're going into times of turbulence on testosterone.
00:23:36.200 So maybe we ought to load up a gold as just a hedge.
00:23:38.960 Your thoughts.
00:23:40.220 Yeah, it's a, it's absolutely correct.
00:23:42.420 Listen, central governments around the world are buying gold at the moment for two reasons.
00:23:46.320 Number one, it is a very smart financial trade, right?
00:23:50.680 The U S government, we've been printing money.
00:23:53.120 We've been devaluing the dollar and it's affecting nations around the world.
00:23:56.420 The dollar's lost 17% of its purchasing power since the pandemic.
00:24:01.260 Guess what?
00:24:01.760 Gold's up 20% in the last year.
00:24:03.820 So just as a financial trade, it makes sense.
00:24:07.260 And second, of course, we have the geopolitics, right?
00:24:09.960 The dollar is, is a stick we have been using to beat our strategic enemies for quite a while
00:24:17.240 by holding dollars.
00:24:18.760 They strengthen the dollar.
00:24:19.820 And I think they're looking at each other saying, why are we playing this game?
00:24:23.600 It doesn't make sense financially.
00:24:25.300 It doesn't make sense geopolitically.
00:24:27.560 And I think the game is up.
00:24:29.080 So we now have a world distancing from the dollar and we know how that affects us longer
00:24:33.760 term.
00:24:34.140 So I've said for a while, we are being outsmarted and it's happening day on day on day.
00:24:41.860 Got a couple of minutes here, but I want to hold you through the break with the team.
00:24:45.000 One thing I can tell you from this audience last night, they are not big fans of fiat currency.
00:24:50.200 And because they see from a working man or from a middle class perspective, what happens
00:24:54.720 when you have a central bank that just reports to itself or to the lords of easy money on
00:24:59.520 Wall Street and what's happening right now.
00:25:01.680 This thing of rate cuts coming up and more cash infusion, more liquidity infusion, they
00:25:07.760 look at it and see the purchasing power.
00:25:09.660 They innately know the purchasing power of that fiat currency is going to continue to
00:25:13.540 decline.
00:25:14.520 And they have literally, as members of a democracy and a constitutional republic, have
00:25:19.380 absolutely almost no say so in that.
00:25:21.660 Well, it's absolutely.
00:25:25.160 And I speak to the Warren Posse every day as well.
00:25:29.040 And the same thing is echoed.
00:25:30.860 And I think it's a reflection.
00:25:32.320 Listen, at the end of the day, with the fiat currency, there's no constraints on government
00:25:36.800 spending.
00:25:37.480 When we were on a gold standard, if the government was in dire straits, they had to go to the
00:25:42.000 public.
00:25:42.440 They had to request permission to increase the money supply.
00:25:45.760 I think it is such an important decision.
00:25:47.920 It shouldn't be done on a whim.
00:25:50.100 It shouldn't be done because of pressure from interest groups, right?
00:25:53.700 Now, I think they're absolutely correct.
00:25:56.400 That was the beginning of the end for the U.S.
00:25:58.420 And I think the beginning of the end for the U.S. dollar.
00:26:01.020 So I agree with the audience and I agree with both you and Raheem.
00:26:05.600 They are much smarter than the people that are currently running this country.
00:26:10.400 So some changes there would be welcomed.
00:26:15.740 Before we go to break, when people, because, you know, we'd say go to birchgold.com.
00:26:19.980 One, you can get the end of the dollar empire.
00:26:23.200 Here's what's so amazing.
00:26:24.180 So many people came up to me afterwards and have read that and studied it.
00:26:27.760 And look, these people didn't go to business schools, right?
00:26:30.080 These guys haven't had the opportunity to go to Harvard, but they're smart enough, right?
00:26:33.900 And they kind of understand it going through it, particularly the way we broke it down,
00:26:37.120 of the importance and really the politics of currency and how that was kind of taken out
00:26:42.640 of people's hands with the setup of the Federal Reserve and the income tax and all that by
00:26:48.080 the really the globalist progressives at the beginning of the 20th century.
00:26:51.740 But when you talk to them, do you get the same feel that these folks are pretty smart about
00:26:56.140 what the current world situation is?
00:26:58.640 Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:27:00.900 And I think that this is why I'm so thankful to come on the show and have the ability to
00:27:06.220 educate the public along with everyone else that you bring on.
00:27:09.960 But they're smart and they know what's happening.
00:27:12.360 I speak to them every single day.
00:27:14.800 The reports that you wrote, Steve, fantastic, very educational, very easy to digest.
00:27:21.000 And people are really, really enjoying them.
00:27:23.160 And more importantly, people are leaving more informed.
00:27:25.580 And I think with an election next year, that becomes more and more important.
00:27:30.080 So I would encourage everyone to contact us, read those reports and just get a little
00:27:35.080 bit more educated on money, because I think it's going to be a big topic for 2024.
00:27:41.200 Philip, just hang on for one second.
00:27:42.720 We'll take a short commercial break.
00:27:43.840 I just got I told a story last night about the French Revolution.
00:27:46.780 I just want Philip to hear short commercial break.
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00:30:58.160 Get that big pot of coffee going after you've read the end of the dollar empire, the first four installments.
00:31:05.720 We're working on a fifth installment.
00:31:06.960 I can tell you something, Philip.
00:31:08.920 Folks are quite interested why the Federal Reserve continues to print money, why the Treasury can't sell the bonds now.
00:31:17.640 And they're ahead of this working class, middle class audience in Casa Grande, Arizona, about 300, 350 people.
00:31:24.780 They're all over it.
00:31:25.780 I mean, they understand everything you're talking about.
00:31:27.640 They love your hits.
00:31:30.280 And, you know, they don't get why the Federal Reserve's continuing to print money.
00:31:34.300 And they also don't understand why nobody's addressing the financial crisis.
00:31:38.460 And we talked about this firestorm we're going to have.
00:31:40.380 They're all ready to go to the ramparts.
00:31:42.420 They just need some guidance, which we're still trying to work through.
00:31:44.580 But, brother, I'm telling you, the Federal Reserve putting out a digital currency is not going to sit well with these folks.
00:31:52.700 They don't think the Federal Reserve should be focused on that whatsoever.
00:31:56.800 And Ron DeSantis, this guy, he's abandoned states.
00:31:58.780 This thing, I can tell you, in 2024, with everything that's going on, this is going to be a big one.
00:32:04.260 And real quickly, I told the story about the French Revolution, about how the French had lent its money in the 100-year war against the British.
00:32:11.100 You know, you had the French and Indian War, then went to the American Revolution.
00:32:14.340 And, you know, to take care of the bonds because they were really close to defaulting, they had to bring everybody together to raise taxes.
00:32:21.520 And the finance minister said, hey, to make sure we can convince all the different estates that we really need to get higher taxes on the people, let's put out the books.
00:32:30.880 If we showed them the books, they would understand.
00:32:33.120 And the king, you know, not being totally familiar with finance, said, do that.
00:32:36.280 So in these broadsheets, they printed the balance sheets and the income statements, roughly.
00:32:40.780 And the people are sitting there.
00:32:42.260 And, look, they didn't go to Harvard Business School either.
00:32:44.600 But they're sitting there, starts getting explained to them.
00:32:46.200 And they realize, hey, we're living in a paradise, but we're living in, like, the sewers of Paris eating rats.
00:32:53.200 And these guys are spending a trillion dollars in Versailles.
00:32:56.200 Let's roll out the guillotines.
00:32:57.540 It didn't quite work.
00:32:58.480 Let's say this.
00:32:58.960 They didn't get the support for raising taxes.
00:33:01.340 They got the support for the sharp end of a blade.
00:33:04.320 So when people, and the audience love it, when working class and middle class people understand the way the system works, they sit there and go, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
00:33:13.680 And I'm getting screwed.
00:33:14.720 The first thing is, I'm getting screwed, as they are.
00:33:18.220 Philip Patrick, your thoughts?
00:33:20.480 I mean, it's absolutely correct.
00:33:22.500 And it's very reminiscent, obviously, of what's happening today.
00:33:26.160 We have a country that's being run by global elites.
00:33:30.120 We have a president that's making decisions to support the elites.
00:33:34.280 And it's the middle classes that are getting hit, right?
00:33:37.580 And we're feeling it.
00:33:38.460 Look at what's happening to our paychecks.
00:33:40.680 They're not doing what they used to, right?
00:33:43.220 And we're being gaslit by the administration.
00:33:45.680 And I agree with you.
00:33:46.780 I think we're getting to the point where people are fed up.
00:33:49.440 I speak to them every single day.
00:33:51.800 Like you said, we're not stupid.
00:33:53.960 We know what's happening.
00:33:56.020 And I think people have had enough.
00:33:57.660 And I think that could be the only saving grace.
00:33:59.820 I say, you know, it's almost a benefit that Biden is gaslighting us on the economy because the people are not that stupid.
00:34:07.140 And I think it will be their downfall in 2024.
00:34:10.840 But it's a very good analogy because it feels like the French Revolution again.
00:34:15.740 Let's hope it doesn't end with guillotines but with votes in the ballot box.
00:34:21.520 Yeah.
00:34:21.680 We don't promote the sharp end of the blade.
00:34:24.960 But, hey, let's win.
00:34:28.000 No.
00:34:28.520 By the way, so everybody in the audience loves you, Phillip.
00:34:31.060 They love the hits.
00:34:31.860 They love going to Birch Gold.
00:34:32.860 Birchgold.com slash Bannon.
00:34:34.580 You get all the free installments.
00:34:36.380 Phillip and I are working over the holidays with the Birch Gold team to come with number five.
00:34:41.540 And number five will be the most explosive we put out to date.
00:34:43.980 I thought four was when we unearthed that it was only an executive order, a temporary emergency executive order that took us off the convertibility and the gold.
00:34:53.640 Hey, for you guys to listen at the Fed and the investment bank's hedge funds, not that we won't review that on the first afternoon of Trump's second term, right, when we start looking at what executive orders should we tear up and just burn out in the front lawn of the West Wing.
00:35:07.900 Not saying we're going to do that, but it will be under review.
00:35:10.260 Phillip Patrick, where do people go on your social media to get to you?
00:35:15.540 Yeah, very simple, at Phillip Patrick on Getter.
00:35:18.820 Again, it's at Phillip Patrick on Getter.
00:35:24.000 Thank you, brother.
00:35:25.040 Phillip Patrick, make sure you go to Birch Gold.
00:35:27.660 Phillip Patrick.
00:35:28.240 By the way, Jake Sherman over at Morning Consult.
00:35:30.820 Grace got this to me.
00:35:33.120 Explosive polling, a breakdown.
00:35:35.300 President Trump's lead is coming from different demographics, different age groups, different ethnicities.
00:35:41.120 Different races.
00:35:41.860 Of course it is.
00:35:43.140 Get back to the cowboy church last night and what we're seeing here with Birch Gold.
00:35:49.080 When they talk to the posse, they're calling him up.
00:35:51.360 People are fed up with it.
00:35:53.140 They're fed up with working their asses off, paying these incredibly high taxes, and having the consolidation of wealth in the country.
00:36:01.580 And their bettors tell them the way things are going to be, including an invasion on the southern border.
00:36:06.060 I mean, we're down there in Arizona, in Phoenix, 100 miles from this invasion.
00:36:10.520 People are tired.
00:36:11.140 Brett, what do you hear when you're out with folks?
00:36:13.740 Well, yeah.
00:36:16.020 For 20 years, the Tea Party, right, taxed enough already.
00:36:19.480 They've been asking, Dave, when does it come to an end?
00:36:22.380 When does it come to an end?
00:36:24.120 And, you know, Reinhardt and Rogoff at Harvard wrote their famous paper after you hit 100% debt GDP.
00:36:30.220 That's it.
00:36:30.900 That didn't happen.
00:36:32.100 But I got a few charts here from David Stockman.
00:36:37.680 And what's happening on – I watched Bloomberg Financial yesterday, and here's the answer before we get to the analysis.
00:36:45.020 They're saying, well, GDP grows at five.
00:36:47.240 The economy is strong.
00:36:48.860 The Federal Reserve has a tough problem on its hands.
00:36:50.960 But we could be in a recession any time now.
00:36:53.580 How in the world can all the economic fundamentals be great, and yet they're talking still about entering a recession at any time?
00:37:00.880 And the answer is built into these charts we're going to look here.
00:37:04.860 And as you've been saying, we've flooded the zone, right?
00:37:07.140 These Keynesian economists have flooded the zone with government spending, government debt.
00:37:12.320 And Stockman, I'll give him his line here.
00:37:15.500 He's got a great quote.
00:37:16.440 He said, has it ever occurred to these Keynesian boneheads that when it comes to the endless accumulation of debt, that there may come a state of diminishing returns?
00:37:26.320 Or that more debt today ensures less jam tomorrow.
00:37:30.220 In other words, less food.
00:37:32.580 So you're looking at this chart.
00:37:34.020 And again, 1971 comes up.
00:37:37.860 But Stockman doesn't cheat here.
00:37:39.840 He uses just nominal dollars, right?
00:37:41.960 So just no statistics.
00:37:43.780 You can lie with statistics.
00:37:45.400 He's just got nominal dollars over the long run.
00:37:48.320 And he shows on that chart GDP, right?
00:37:50.700 The amount of stuff you make is up 2,300% over the long run, while collective debt is double that.
00:37:57.840 Collective debt is up 5,600%.
00:38:00.740 And so accordingly, the U.S. economy's leverage ratio, that's the purple dotted line, the leverage ratio soared 357%.
00:38:11.540 And so this chart is showing government debt.
00:38:15.040 And all of the charts I have are the same chart.
00:38:17.960 They just show that there's no way you can keep the red line at the bottom, GDP growing at that rate.
00:38:24.680 And then debt taking off through the heavens.
00:38:27.940 And then that purple line above shows the leverage, right?
00:38:32.160 We're in debt up to our eyeballs.
00:38:35.300 And it all started in 1971 when we got off the gold standard.
00:38:39.740 So the first chart was the government debt.
00:38:44.400 The second chart looks almost identical.
00:38:46.840 It's consumer debt.
00:38:48.380 The third chart is total debt, meaning government plus consumer plus business.
00:38:55.140 And the total debt, because of this new leverage ratio, we now have $100 trillion in debt instead of $50 trillion.
00:39:03.500 If we were sane and had the same leverage ratio we had back when we got off the gold standard, we'd have half the debt instead of $100 trillion, $50 trillion.
00:39:14.720 And then the final chart is the financial sector itself, right?
00:39:18.160 They're supposed to be the intermediaries, the wise guys, and they have just as big of a problem.
00:39:23.460 And so all of this is already posted at Brat Economics on Getter.
00:39:27.720 But basically, this explains why everyone's shaky right now.
00:39:31.700 Now, everybody knows a recession is imminent.
00:39:35.400 Another word for this, what I'm showing you, this increase in leverage, is called a bubble.
00:39:39.500 No, but it's all debt-driven.
00:39:44.400 The debt can't be paid off.
00:39:45.800 These massive deficits.
00:39:46.880 You've got fiat currency.
00:39:48.440 People understand this.
00:39:49.280 That's why they don't use Bidenomics anymore.
00:39:51.340 Dave, I know you've got to bounce.
00:39:52.520 Thank you for sticking around so late.
00:39:53.560 We're going to get you on social media.
00:39:55.100 And I want to get you back on tomorrow for the Christmas season.
00:39:57.900 You're the best.
00:39:59.000 Yep, anytime.
00:39:59.820 Great show, Steve.
00:40:00.660 Thanks much.
00:40:01.180 Brat Economics on Getter.
00:40:02.920 Go out.
00:40:03.320 All those charts are there with the summary, with the link to David Stockman, who was Treasury under Ronald Reagan.
00:40:09.220 A good track record.
00:40:12.140 Thank you, brother.
00:40:13.600 Raheem Ghassam, closing thoughts.
00:40:15.280 You've got a bunch of great analysis up.
00:40:17.900 I want everybody to read these about this town hall, a very special town hall last night.
00:40:21.900 Very rare for us all to be able to come together at one time.
00:40:24.840 And the audience was the star.
00:40:27.220 And I agree with Raheem.
00:40:28.020 The questions were amazing.
00:40:29.040 The feedback was great.
00:40:30.720 And just the whole vibe of it was fantastic.
00:40:33.640 Your thoughts, sir?
00:40:35.780 Well, I'm actually looking forward to your feedback on it, Steve.
00:40:39.620 I know you probably haven't had a chance to read the entire thing yet.
00:40:42.840 But I start by talking about last night, by reflecting on the fact that just last week, you know, I speak for myself, actually.
00:40:50.880 I was in black tie.
00:40:51.940 You were not.
00:40:53.000 Sitting at dinner at Cipriani on Wall Street.
00:40:56.600 You know, the 45th president of the United States is giving us shout outs from the stage.
00:41:01.400 And I start by saying in this article that actually, you know, I thought that might be one of the best nights of the year quite easily.
00:41:07.560 But last night came exceptionally close, if not surpassing that, because there is just nothing like, I mean, nothing like.
00:41:16.840 You have to, the audience has to remember, I'm from West London, right?
00:41:20.040 I'm not from the West of the United States.
00:41:22.680 And there is nothing like being in somewhere like the Cowboy Church, being in amongst real people, seeing not just the reality, you know, in their eyes and the despondence, actually, in their eyes and feeling it, right?
00:41:38.140 Feeling it.
00:41:38.960 Well, they're feeling their country slipping away.
00:41:40.700 I was just looking at some video a moment ago of another 700 people come over the border this morning in Lukesville, Arizona, and 10,000 people on average every day over the last month.
00:41:54.120 And you feel in these people's demeanor, not just – I mean, they're not depressed, by the way.
00:42:01.560 They're angry, right?
00:42:03.080 And you feel that something will absolutely give way here because these people I just don't think are going to sit around and take it anymore.
00:42:10.240 I made the point that when 1.7 million people came into Angela Merkel's Germany, you know, there were marches of tens of thousands of people in the streets in Europe at the time.
00:42:20.700 And the percentage per capita has already surpassed that in the United States today.
00:42:26.080 But so many people have been cowed by January the 6th and other incidents.
00:42:30.580 But I don't think much longer.
00:42:32.120 I think you're going to start to see mass street demonstrations against this stuff.
00:42:35.880 Raheem Ghassan, brilliant as usual.
00:42:41.020 And I understand now why the Brits, who helped finance most of the British merchant banks, why Brits – every time Brits either go to the Caribbean or, like, the desert in North Africa or the American West, they are absolutely suckered.
00:42:54.660 They're all in.
00:42:55.700 It's never – I guess it's too gloomy in certain sections of England.
00:42:59.820 But when you get out to the sunshine, you guys really – you fall in love with it.
00:43:03.460 So thank you so much.
00:43:04.800 Honored to have you there last night.
00:43:06.960 And great analysis, as usual.
00:43:08.820 Real quickly, National Pulse, how do people get access to this?
00:43:12.940 How do they become part of that family?
00:43:14.120 Thank you, Steve.
00:43:44.120 You guys did the best analysis of this U.S. Steel thing, too, I might want to add with Upton.
00:43:49.800 Okay, thanks, Raheem, great.
00:43:51.640 Short break.
00:43:52.280 Back in a moment.
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00:44:14.680 Bring me pine, O's hither.
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00:46:06.160 A couple weeks ago, by the way, Dr. Carol Swain is going to be my co-host for the opening of the Christmas Eve special we're going to do.
00:46:13.420 So we're going to get a lot more of her in the days ahead.
00:46:16.180 But I got to get in here real quickly.
00:46:17.760 And I'm trying to jam this in because she's got she's done like 200 interviews.
00:46:21.320 It started here a couple weeks ago.
00:46:22.960 You made the comment in this whole firestorm with Stefanik in the testimony that, hey, no offense, Dr. Gay had been stealing your work for 30 years.
00:46:33.240 This is how and people know Dr. Swain.
00:46:36.100 This is how you got tenure at Princeton.
00:46:37.960 This is when you walked away from Princeton, got tenure at Vanderbilt, which is no small feat off original research.
00:46:44.300 Just real quickly.
00:46:45.860 It's obvious now.
00:46:47.260 And you're doing interviews.
00:46:48.220 You were the lead story on Daily Mail, the biggest newspaper in the world this morning.
00:46:52.060 Does Dr. Gay have to go?
00:46:53.680 Because not only does she steal your work.
00:46:55.780 She's been obfuscating and, quite frankly, lying about it.
00:46:58.600 Dr. Carol Swain.
00:47:00.400 Well, wait a minute, Steve.
00:47:01.680 You started off by calling her Dr. Gay.
00:47:05.300 My contention now is that if you plagiarize your dissertation and you defend work that you didn't fully write, I'm not sure it's appropriate to call that person a doctor.
00:47:17.420 Wow.
00:47:18.620 Wow.
00:47:19.620 Wow.
00:47:20.120 You would take away your Ph.D. right now.
00:47:23.080 Well, I mean, what do you do?
00:47:24.360 You get a Ph.D. when you write an original thesis and you defend it before a committee and they have that celebration and wine and the cheese and they call you Dr., you know, whatever.
00:47:35.480 That's part of the process of academia.
00:47:38.520 And I don't know what should happen in the case of a dissertation that was plagiarized.
00:47:45.940 I have said all along that she'd go back and look at her senior thesis and then work that was plagiarized.
00:47:52.780 And so all of it seems very fraudulent and it doesn't make me happy.
00:47:57.120 I'm still sad, but I'm a bit angry.
00:48:01.340 But I'm just hoping that good comes out of this and the good would come from Harvard doing the right thing.
00:48:09.200 They need to release her from, put her on administrative leave with pay.
00:48:15.640 I don't care if she has leave with pay and work out a separation agreement.
00:48:20.940 And then they need to go out and find the best possible person to replace her.
00:48:25.660 And it might be a middle-aged to elderly Protestant or Jewish white male.
00:48:33.520 They need someone that's committed to classical liberalism, someone that believes in all the things that classical liberals, you know, used to believe in to try to bring sanity back to the university.
00:48:48.740 Dr. Swain, this is the thesis of your book.
00:48:53.840 I know you've got to bounce, and thank you for carving out time.
00:48:56.520 We started this with you, and you were very, as you always are, with a kind heart and all of it.
00:49:02.440 But you're kind of getting tougher on this, and we agree with you.
00:49:05.260 Your book is about this.
00:49:06.560 Where do people go to get your, not just your writings and your news site, I want to get to all that, but you've got a new book out that essentially addresses this topic.
00:49:13.000 Well, my book, The Adversity of Diversity, and I'm going to turn around.
00:49:19.640 It's behind me.
00:49:20.600 You can see it behind me.
00:49:22.600 And it talks about just why diversity programs need to be struck down.
00:49:28.260 They violate civil rights laws.
00:49:30.480 They violate the Constitution.
00:49:33.720 And you can buy the book, you know, from Amazon or through my website where it would go to a Christian bookstore.
00:49:39.560 But that book has been for a tooth and nail.
00:49:43.180 I doubt if it's sold 5,000 copies because the left has been able to effectively suppress it.
00:49:52.440 We'll make sure we get it out and push it hard.
00:49:54.780 Just before I let you go, you're adamant she should be put on administrative leave, even with pay right now, but a separation agreement.
00:50:00.660 So she should be removed as president of Harvard.
00:50:03.980 And you believe, actually, her Ph.D. should be held in abeyance until she can go back and prove her original research.
00:50:10.640 Is that what I'm hearing?
00:50:12.320 Well, Steve, the reason I say she should have administrative pay, I'm trying to make it easier for Harvard.
00:50:18.420 And it would make good optics to do the administrative leave with pay.
00:50:23.840 She really should be fired outright.
00:50:25.440 And I don't believe that you get a do-over for something that serious.
00:50:30.320 I think you have to suffer the consequences and be held accountable like the rest of us would be, unless we were progressive Democrats.
00:50:37.260 They have a different set of rules for themselves.
00:50:41.240 Dr. Swain, thank you very much.
00:50:43.420 I look forward to teaming up with you for the first part of our Christmas Eve special.
00:50:49.240 Thank you, ma'am.
00:50:49.720 Dr. Carol Swain, who the president of Harvard ripped off her research and took it for her own.
00:50:58.400 And Carol Swain is a voice that people listen to, a former tenured, full-tenured professor at Princeton, which ain't easy.
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00:53:08.940 Going to leave you with some Christmas music.
00:53:10.600 Charlie Kirk next.
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00:53:12.880 We are back from 5 to 7 tonight when we will be back for the late afternoon, early evening edition of War Room.
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