Bannon's War Room - Episode 3275： What 2024 Looks Like For Border Security

00:00:00.000 There was a general decline in some of the migrant flows.

00:00:05.120 Again, not perfect, not saying that it was down to a level that was comfortable for anybody, but there had been a decline.

00:00:11.700 And so we want to see that same effort being applied again as a team going forward, and we'll see where that goes.

00:00:19.780 But we're working on this really hard.

00:00:21.380 Another thing is these crowds here in Eagle Pass have never been this large during my reporting.

00:00:27.040 This is the most people I've ever seen in Eagle Pass and other reporters, colleagues working other parts of the border in Arizona, in Hacumba, near San Diego, tell me the same thing.

00:00:37.040 We have these conversations, and the conversation is always, wow, I've never seen this number of migrants arriving.

00:00:42.920 And we know from the reports coming from the government with these numbers.

00:00:46.280 We have the number of apprehensions, the numbers of encounters, everything spiking.

00:00:51.080 So we don't know what this will mean moving forward.

00:00:53.840 We just know that the numbers are much larger as the resources are spread thin.

00:00:59.000 I understand you don't want to negotiate from the podium, but can you tell the American people that there's any immigration policy that this White House is willing to talk about and is working on with Republicans?

00:01:10.340 So I want to be really careful.

00:01:11.620 As negotiations happen, we don't want to do this in the public, right?

00:01:15.480 It does not help the process.

00:01:17.460 And so we want to make sure that those negotiations are happening.

00:01:20.800 Obviously, we're part of those negotiations with the senators.

00:01:24.940 We think it's going in the right direction.

00:01:27.000 We want to make sure that we get to a bipartisan agreement.

00:01:29.520 It's incredibly important.

00:01:30.840 The president understands.

00:01:32.300 He understands that we have to fix this immigration system.

00:01:36.000 It has been broken for decades now.

00:01:38.040 Some illegal border crossers are being given court dates in 2031.

00:01:42.820 What are they supposed to do here for seven years?

00:01:45.360 Again, that's a better question put to DHS.

00:01:48.120 I'm not in a position to talk about specific cases like that.

00:01:51.500 Well, mine's a little dark.

00:01:52.720 I just feel a lot of concern that 2024 may be the year of a black swan event.

00:01:57.620 This is a national security event with high impact that's very hard to predict.

00:02:02.780 There are a number of concerns that I have that factor into that.

00:02:06.640 Not only this sort of enduring heightened threat level that we're facing, the wars in Israel, also Ukraine.

00:02:14.120 And we're so divided in this country in ways that we haven't seen before.

00:02:18.540 And I think that just creates fertile ground for our adversaries like North Korea, China and Iran. 0.71

00:02:24.120 And that's what concerns me most.

00:02:25.920 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:02:33.700 Pray for our enemies.

00:02:35.660 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:02:38.920 I got a free shot.

00:02:40.180 All these networks lying about the people.

00:02:43.180 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:02:45.080 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:02:46.520 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that.

00:02:48.280 But you're not going to stop it.

00:02:49.200 It's going to happen.

00:02:50.480 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:02:53.880 Mega media.

00:02:54.780 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:00.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:04.420 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:10.740 War Room.

00:03:11.640 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:03:13.940 Wow, what an alarming cold open.

00:03:22.580 It's Natalie G.

00:03:23.580 Winters, not Stephen K.

00:03:24.960 Bannon, hosting today, filling in on Wednesday, December 27th in the year of our Lord, 2023.

00:03:31.680 Three, I know I love America.

00:03:33.900 I'm probably pretty sure that if you're here watching War Room this early, a few days after

00:03:38.320 Christmas, you do too.

00:03:39.800 And I'm sorry to put you through that cold open.

00:03:42.460 But I think it's clearer than ever that these people are lying to our faces about what they're

00:03:47.220 doing with the southern border.

00:03:48.960 The reason why the White House won't negotiate in public, same with the Democratic senators,

00:03:54.080 is because I think the plans that they have for this country, what they want to do on the

00:03:59.180 southern border is so twisted and depraved.

00:04:01.660 We're seeing it happen in real time.

00:04:03.200 Just look at the words of those MSNBC reporters.

00:04:06.140 They know the American people would never go for it.

00:04:08.880 But frankly, I don't even think they care.

00:04:11.520 You know, we talk about, we say, dare to say the words, the great replacement theory here

00:04:16.700 on the War Room.

00:04:18.100 But what I think you come to realize and what our next guest, Todd Bensman, I think has seen

00:04:22.180 for quite some time now is that through immigration, let's call it what it is.

00:04:26.320 I think it's a weapon of mass migration.

00:04:28.560 They're not just trying to replace Americans.

00:04:31.060 They're trying to replace America as it exists. 0.99

00:04:34.720 They want this country to fall to the ground.

00:04:37.220 They're pretty straightforward and outright about that.

00:04:40.100 I think Todd Bensman is the perfect guest to bring on.

00:04:42.960 You've been warning since, I think, long before the Biden regime ever took over.

00:04:47.120 But what they're trying to do on the southern border, I know you just returned from Europe,

00:04:51.120 and I want to get into sort of your meta-level observations from what you saw there.

00:04:54.960 But before we get into that, I've seen some reporting that there's a new caravan emerging.

00:04:59.880 I was wondering if you could sort of walk us through that.

00:05:02.220 And frankly, with the ridiculous numbers we've already seen in trying to enter this country,

00:05:06.580 you know, is 15,000 people really even that big of a deal?

00:05:11.520 Well, the caravan is coming because we're letting everybody in.

00:05:15.900 Everybody who reaches the border one way or another, whether they're doing it through

00:05:20.560 the CBP1 app or just crossing illegally, is being allowed to enter and stay.

00:05:29.120 And that is the central ingredient to inspire and provoke the entire world to come and take

00:05:37.900 part in it while the getting's good.

00:05:39.740 15,000 a day is an all-time U.S. record.

00:05:46.600 I think it's probably an all-time record for any country in the world, even during times of war.

00:05:53.340 This is something that is, you know, out of any historic context at all.

00:05:59.820 The numbers that are coming through, it's very, very significant.

00:06:03.380 Again, we're pushing 350,000 a month if you count gotaways, maybe even 400,000, depending

00:06:12.920 on how you count gotaways.

00:06:15.880 And this is really something that is historic for the country and transformational.

00:06:20.840 There was an article up in the New York Post yesterday detailing how there's these sort

00:06:26.700 of weird travel agencies popping up in a variety of African countries, Middle Eastern countries,

00:06:33.200 basically everywhere, every country that hates the United States.

00:06:36.360 But they're basically facilitating this immigration to the United States.

00:06:40.680 They're organizing bus rides.

00:06:42.520 In other words, it sort of, I think, is at odds with the narrative we're hearing from the

00:06:46.400 White House, which is, oh, this is just all unorganized.

00:06:49.240 It just has to do with seasonality.

00:06:51.460 And because it's warmer or colder, there's going to be more people or less people.

00:06:55.700 I'm just curious if you could kind of go back in to the numbers.

00:06:59.820 The fact that the White House is saying that, I mean, that's an abject lie, right?

00:07:05.160 It's intentional.

00:07:06.440 There's groups, whether it's things like companies like Delta, we see them bussing migrants even

00:07:11.960 deeper into the country.

00:07:13.020 But from your perspective, really honing in on the data, do you really think it's fair to

00:07:18.140 say that the White House is doing absolutely nothing?

00:07:20.660 And if they're actually doing anything, they're exacerbating the crisis?

00:07:25.260 Well, I do think that it's fair to say that the White House and the Biden administration

00:07:31.200 are doing this with great intention.

00:07:34.820 This is not incompetence.

00:07:37.380 I don't think that anybody can any longer after three years mistake this as some kind

00:07:43.280 of like screw up or factors out of control of the White House.

00:07:48.340 This is being done with great purpose by the White House, by the DHS and by the people that

00:07:55.360 they've brought in to advise on immigration policy.

00:08:00.320 They have pretty much turned the safeties off at the border.

00:08:06.760 So there's no safeties.

00:08:08.040 There's no pushbacks, very few deportations, really anything that would impede or deter illegal

00:08:17.660 immigration.

00:08:18.260 And in fact, they say out loud repeatedly that their actual policy is the safe, orderly,

00:08:26.520 humane and lawful pathways into the United States.

00:08:31.260 So this is really historic, too.

00:08:33.280 We've never had a White House or a presidency that took a position like this.

00:08:38.860 This is really something unusual and strange, really in the annals of all nations that have

00:08:47.060 ever existed or that exist anywhere in the country.

00:08:50.640 And I think the true, I guess, consequence that is the biggest consequence of this is

00:08:59.620 that our legal immigration system stands completely undermined, eroded and in tatters

00:09:06.700 because why bother doing it the legal way when you get the same benefit by doing it the

00:09:12.600 illegal way?

00:09:13.440 And so we have millions and millions of people just pouring into the country.

00:09:18.640 These videos, the images just speak for themselves.

00:09:21.940 It is what it is.

00:09:23.480 And it is with purpose.

00:09:25.080 And the organizations that you mentioned, I just want to say that when you have this

00:09:30.260 number of people who have relatives in the United States and have financial means in the

00:09:36.740 third countries where they were living for years, everybody cashes in.

00:09:41.260 Organized NGOs are making money hand over fist by this, or smugglers are making money hand

00:09:50.540 over fist.

00:09:51.120 The cartels are making money.

00:09:53.300 There are legal, there are organizations that are making money legally from resettling,

00:10:01.140 transporting, you know, renting out their hotels, all of the housing, everything.

00:10:08.180 And people are making a lot of money on this.

00:10:10.440 And I think ultimately that's really what the bottom line is for as far as motivation

00:10:16.380 goes on this kind of thing.

00:10:18.200 It always has been.

00:10:19.360 It's all coordinated and a not so fun fact, I guess, for America, the CEO of CRU, that

00:10:27.620 far left legal, they call themselves the watchdog, but they're anything, but that helped to bring

00:10:33.440 that lawsuit that removed President Trump from the Colorado ballot.

00:10:37.000 Do you know their CEO also happens to be on the Homeland Security Advisory Council appointed

00:10:43.980 by Mayorkas, no conspiracies, no coincidences, but Todd, I'm curious because it seems like

00:10:50.620 we're already sort of starting to hear that refrain from the White House, the term that

00:10:55.020 I'm sure you're all too familiar with, comprehensive immigration reform.

00:10:59.200 I get triggered whenever I hear that, because that means, you know, amnesty dropping, E-Verify,

00:11:04.680 more legal immigration, DACA, who knows, the floodgates are going to be open.

00:11:09.040 And I'm not just talking about the Biden regime welding the floodgates open.

00:11:12.900 But do you have any insight as to, you know, come 2024, come negotiations on the Hill, where

00:11:20.240 you think the current negotiations stand and where we're going to end up with immigration

00:11:26.640 packages with border security?

00:11:29.440 Well, remember that the Biden campaign, the Biden-Harris campaign in 2020, 2019, a central

00:11:38.200 component of their promise was general amnesty in a campaign, in an immigration reform bill,

00:11:47.740 which they put forth immediately, just like they said they would, that would have included

00:11:52.640 this mass amnesty.

00:11:53.880 They campaigned on this back then.

00:11:57.480 I see elements of that starting to emerge now in the 2024 campaign.

00:12:04.660 I'm not sure if this time the White House, the incumbent, the campaign is going to see as

00:12:11.320 much, I guess, benefit, political benefit from it this time, because the Democratic-run

00:12:20.900 cities and their Democratic constituent base in these cities are angry at the human flood 0.76

00:12:29.160 that is just overwhelming, you know, Black and Latino communities taking all the resources 1.00

00:12:35.020 and that sort of thing.

00:12:36.000 So I think it's a little touchy for them to do it.

00:12:38.620 But I do think that it is their ultimate dream scenario is to just bring in millions of

00:12:45.740 people, declare them citizens or, you know, on a short path to citizenry and, you know,

00:12:52.060 why not hope that they vote, maybe Democrat.

00:12:55.540 I don't think it's going to happen this time around, but I've got a watchful eye out for

00:13:01.040 it.

00:13:02.900 Well, you know, a welfare state and an open border doesn't coexist very well.

00:13:07.400 I'd also throw in a country that runs their elections with lax voter ID laws in an open border

00:13:12.400 with countries that want to see presidents like Donald J. Trump.

00:13:15.480 Never back in office doesn't bode well for anyone who actually wants to put America first.

00:13:20.280 But I know Steve is the cinematic genius.

00:13:23.440 But in that cold open that I pieced together, I ended with that clip of Catherine Herridge,

00:13:28.700 maybe doing a little bit of predictive programming, dare I say, but sort of calling the shot, saying

00:13:33.020 that she sees a black swan type event coming in 2024.

00:13:37.140 If I remember correctly, I think you did just get back traveling across Europe.

00:13:41.560 What do you think kind of is the omen or the lesson to take away from the national security

00:13:46.940 perspective?

00:13:47.600 I know you've been on the jihad angle when it comes to our open southern border.

00:13:51.800 But do you think when we talk about the potential for a terrorist incident or some national security

00:13:56.440 threat arising as a result of this open border, do you think those fears are overblown?

00:14:01.000 Or why do you think we could see something like that happen in 2024?

00:14:03.720 Well, I do think that the European context can inform a lot of what's going on here in

00:14:13.740 the United States.

00:14:15.360 And what's happening there is you have a really powerful resurgence of a mass migration crisis

00:14:22.300 into central Western Europe countries.

00:14:26.460 And people remember in 2015 and 2016, the last time this happened, that there were terror

00:14:32.700 attacks as a result.

00:14:35.200 And Todd, if I can hold you through the break, we've got to jump.

00:14:38.400 This is my first time hosting the show with the Christmas music, not Take Down the CCP.

00:14:43.680 I feel like I'm cheating on the Take Down the CCP crowd.

00:14:46.880 But we'll be right back.

00:14:48.120 We've got Todd Benzman, Harnwell, Darren J.

00:14:50.500 BD, Dr. Wolf, we've got a packed show.

00:14:53.180 It may not be Stephen K.

00:14:54.180 Bannon.

00:14:54.600 It's Natalie G.

00:14:55.520 It's fine.

00:14:56.480 Still got a lot of news to get through.

00:14:57.980 We're right back at this point.

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00:16:18.440 Welcome back to the War Room.

00:16:30.760 I feel bad interrupting this beautiful music.

00:16:35.140 But, unfortunately, we've got a lot of news to get to here in the War Room.

00:16:38.960 Kind of news you probably don't want to hear, but then it's fair to me go.

00:16:42.140 So we can save this country once and for all, Todd Benzman has been on the front line of that battle.

00:16:48.320 Todd, I know I had to interrupt you, but if you want to pick up where you left off before I let you go,

00:16:52.940 just sort of the warning signs, the lessons we can learn from Europe.

00:16:57.460 Well, I was just saying that Europe is suffering the greatest mass migration resurgence 0.99

00:17:02.860 that they've seen since 2015, 2016, the really big one that brought in ISIS operatives and terrorists from all over the Middle East

00:17:13.240 who conducted really bloody attacks from one end of the continent to the other for five years after that.

00:17:20.800 And it really turned the European public against this kind of mass migration from those countries.

00:17:27.420 And what we're seeing in the European theater right now is a strong tilt to the right,

00:17:33.580 to conservative parties that are proposing immigration control and border security kind of proposals.

00:17:44.100 And they're winning.

00:17:45.400 And even the liberal governments, they are now realizing that they have to get tough on their borders,

00:17:53.340 on the external EU borders in order to retain power.

00:17:56.440 And I think that that sort of thing is a harbinger for maybe the American elections coming up in 2024,

00:18:04.460 maybe a little silver lining there for conservatives. 0.71

00:18:08.020 But really, it was the terror attacks.

00:18:11.140 It was the unfamiliar crime waves, you know, lots of rape in countries that never had rape before.

00:18:18.820 Things like, you know, riots in France.

00:18:22.000 A lot of problems associated with the 2015-2016 mass migration that's still in everybody's minds.

00:18:31.020 So I would pay attention to European policy fixes.

00:18:35.940 I'll be writing about those in the next weeks.

00:18:39.840 Some of their ideas might be applicable to the American theater as well when 2024, 2025 rolls around.

00:18:48.260 Todd, if people want to stay up to date with all your work, get the books, where can they go to do all that?

00:18:56.380 Sure.

00:18:56.940 Well, I still have the only book written about the definitive book written about this particular mass migration crisis.

00:19:03.720 It's called Overrun.

00:19:05.360 You can get that on Amazon or in your bookstore anywhere books are sold.

00:19:09.320 And you can follow me at BenzmanTodd at X.

00:19:14.300 I'm also at Getter and Truth Social.

00:19:17.840 Go ahead and follow me there.

00:19:19.160 I'll post everything that I write.

00:19:21.920 And also, you know, I have a website where I post everything at ToddBenzman.com.

00:19:26.940 My employer is the Center for Immigration Studies, CIS.org.

00:19:32.380 Great organization.

00:19:33.540 They fund all of my travels and all of my reporting.

00:19:37.340 Couldn't do it without those guys and donations as well.

00:19:41.900 Todd, thank you so much for joining us.

00:19:44.140 Thank you.

00:19:46.860 Now, when you talk about de-dollarization, not wanting to send more money to Ukraine, I think that's probably the strapline of the war room.

00:19:54.940 But this time it's not me saying that.

00:19:56.800 It's actually Nobel Prize winning economist over at Yale University, believe it or not, warning that if the White House proceeds, sometimes they've sort of intimated that they may give seized Russian assets to Ukraine instead of more of our taxpayer dollars or probably both,

00:20:15.040 that that would kind of accelerate us down the path of de-dollarization globally.

00:20:20.380 We've said many times here on this show, we're no longer in the phases or stages of managed decline.

00:20:26.500 It's accelerated decline.

00:20:28.120 And the story sums it up quite nicely.

00:20:30.520 Joining us to break it down is someone who has always been out of the curve on Ukraine, although I guess it's easy when you're not part of the CIA deep state mainstream media industrial complex.

00:20:41.740 That is, of course, Ben Harnwell.

00:20:43.580 Ben, if you could walk us through this story, what he's warning about, the ramifications, your thoughts.

00:20:50.380 Good morning, Natalie.

00:20:52.160 Yes, absolutely.

00:20:53.060 Well, many people will be familiar with this economist, even if they're not immediately familiar with his name.

00:21:00.520 Robert Schiller won the Nobel Prize for economics back in 2013.

00:21:04.880 He gave his name to the Case Schiller Index, which is part of the work he won the Nobel Prize for, which is an index on basically house prices pegged on 1990.

00:21:17.040 And if you if you if you if you ever read the economic financial reports, you will often see references to the Case Schiller index.

00:21:23.320 So he's he's that rare breed, Natalie. 1.00

00:21:27.200 He is a Nobel, an economic Nobel Prize winner who has, I would say, name strong name recognition, even if people aren't that aware with the academic ins and outs of his various theses.

00:21:42.640 So that said, what what what what was his statement?

00:21:46.760 Well, he said that giving confiscated Russian assets to Ukraine would become, and I quote, a cataclysm for the current dollar dominated economic system.

00:21:57.600 So I think that this will destroy the halo of security that surrounds the dollar and will be the first step towards the dollarization.

00:22:05.640 Exactly as you pointed out in your introduction, Natalie.

00:22:08.260 This is this is, you know, there's very little I need to add on to this because I think the words themselves are that alarming.

00:22:17.960 People should be taking note of them.

00:22:19.440 Incidentally, the Financial Times of London did have a similar article just a couple of days before Christmas, arguing exactly against the seizure of of Russian assets, Russian central bank assets.

00:22:36.400 We're talking approximately, Natalie, about two hundred and sixty billion euros worth of assets here.

00:22:42.920 And not all of the European Union is on on side with France and Germany, for example, are quite opposed to this behind closed doors.

00:22:53.440 The reason that they're doing this isn't so much because of de-dollarization or even de-euroization, to coin the term.

00:23:00.500 It's because of the precedent that this will send, will establish right across the world.

00:23:07.420 Because, of course, if it's OK for the United States or Western Western nations who are part of the pro-Ukraine orbit, if it's OK for these countries to seize, to permanently seize,

00:23:20.180 not just to seize, which is which is what happened basically within days of Russia's invasion into Ukraine, but but not just freezing to seize.

00:23:28.620 If they were to seize these these central bank assets, then basically any country that has a gripe with any other country around the world could do exactly the same thing.

00:23:38.360 And it's easy to see from that how how this the precedent here and themselves are saying that this is this is an extension of what the West did with regards to sealing Iraqi assets back in 1991.

00:23:56.800 So this is another example, Natalie, of how bad precedents really do have ongoing consequences that will wreak damage right across the world.

00:24:10.040 Now, I just want to close with this point, because I think it's illustrative.

00:24:15.920 This war was was was was start, you know, when the war, when the West came in behind Ukraine in February 2022.

00:24:27.600 The whole point about this, the whole shtick was that there was to defend the international rules based order.

00:24:35.060 And as the FT is suggesting here, as Robert Schiller is suggesting, actually, if we're going to push this this far and seize the Russian central bank assets,

00:24:51.400 that will actually do a massive undermining damage to the international rules based order, far more, far more damage.

00:25:00.940 I mean, Steve talks about this basically on every show, the consequences of de-dollarization, not just for the United States, of course,

00:25:07.500 but for all of the satellite economies that depend on the United States that are in the United States orbit are far much more damage to the international rules based order

00:25:18.360 than simply letting Russia get away with annexing the Donbass in Ukraine.

00:25:24.800 So I think, you know, I do have some other stories to go through to you, but I know we're heading towards a break now.

00:25:30.640 I just want to illustrate that this point is now not just being spoken about on the war,

00:25:36.580 and this is now sort of the alarming concern, the threats, the worries are now very much in the mainstream discourse, Natalie.

00:25:46.020 Well, I'm just curious.

00:25:47.620 We focus obviously a lot on this show, the negotiations going on with Ukraine here in the U.S.,

00:25:52.600 but what's happening on the European front, other European countries?

00:25:56.620 Are they going to throw more basically to nothing, get no ROI on their investment?

00:26:01.620 Are they going to give more money to Ukraine?

00:26:03.020 Where does that battle stand?

00:26:05.940 Well, this is ongoing.

00:26:07.460 Just a couple of weeks – well, a couple of days ago,

00:26:09.600 unless Viktor Orban, the prime minister of Hungary,

00:26:13.100 in my mind the most heroic of all the 27 EU member states,

00:26:18.220 he vetoed the European Union plan to give 51 billion euros of immediate assistance to Ukraine.

00:26:28.260 He originally said he was going to veto the opening of accession talks with Ukraine.

00:26:34.200 So he let that pass, knowing, of course, that he would have, I think, 70 or so opportunities to veto that further down the line.

00:26:42.180 In the years and years-long negotiations this is going to take.

00:26:45.740 But what he did do was he vetoed the EU budget, this emergency instrument, to give Ukraine 51 billion dollars.

00:26:54.000 Now, the fallout of that vetoing, Natalie, is that Russia, excuse me, Ukraine is starting to talk about it no longer has the money to pay its civil servants,

00:27:07.860 their pension payments and their salaries, which is a somewhat quixotic fixation.

00:27:16.200 And here, the deputy prime minister is insisting that it gets its hands on 37 billion dollars' worth of external support at ASAP.

00:27:26.440 Natalie, it's a somewhat quixotic fixation that you can't pay your civil servants when you're drafting young men to be blown to bits on the front line.

00:27:36.480 And, Harmo, we've got to run, but if people want to stay up to date with all your analysis and everything, where can they go to do that?

00:27:42.260 It's on Getter, which is my social platform of choice, Natalie.

00:27:47.660 Simply type in my surname, at Harnwell, on Getter.

00:27:51.940 Thanks so much, Natalie.

00:27:53.700 Of course, he's a must-follow for everything Ukraine and more.

00:27:57.780 Warren Posse, hang with me.

00:28:00.160 We've got Dr. Wolf, we've got Darren J. Beattie, we've got Joe Allen.

00:28:04.440 What more could you want?

00:28:05.940 I don't know, maybe Stephen K. Bannon?

00:28:07.920 Well, you've still got me.

00:28:09.020 We'll be back after this break, with a lot more to go through.

00:28:25.700 Welcome back to the War Room.

00:28:30.040 I'm still getting used to the Christmas music, and I'll probably just get used to it in time for Christmas time to be over, because we say Merry Christmas here in the War Room.

00:28:39.900 Sorry if that offends you.

00:28:42.000 Talking about seized assets, I don't know, de-dollarization and destroying America offends me.

00:28:47.640 But real quick, you want to talk about seized assets?

00:28:49.880 How about the fact that the government, our very own government, has seized our taxpayer dollars, our pension funds?

00:28:55.240 There's a breaking story in Axios, again, we've been saying this for a while here, on War Room.

00:29:00.320 But that billions of dollars, that is 42 of 50 states, have invested with Chinese Communist Party-owned, run, you name it, companies.

00:29:10.140 That's right, companies based in China linked to a communist regime that is hell-bent on destroying the United States.

00:29:16.660 They admit it.

00:29:17.320 Look no further than CEFC China Energy.

00:29:19.900 Happens to be Hunter Biden's business partner.

00:29:21.760 I'm sure no conspiracies, no coincidences there.

00:29:23.700 On their web page, they admit that they want to wage war.

00:29:27.400 On the United States, and I don't know about you, but when you see people like Hunter Biden, representatives of the permanent political class, right, don't miss the forest for the trees, everyone in D.C. is on the take from the Chinese Communist Party. 0.54

00:29:39.960 And concurrently, you see your pension funds, your taxpayer dollars going to prop up that illegitimate communist regime.

00:29:46.760 Really makes you wonder when Joe Biden says, China's rise isn't our demise, although maybe he says it in a creepy whisper voice.

00:29:56.020 When they say our demise, they're not talking about people like you, me, average, everyday Americans.

00:30:00.840 They know that China's rise has been the biggest boon, not just to their pocketbooks, but to the way that they want to run and administer this country, which is replete with lawfare, really with power, authoritarian tactics that only the Chinese Communist Party could envy. 0.65

00:30:16.280 If you look no further than what's going on in Colorado, fun fact, or I should say not so fun fact, we've got a story breaking up on warroom.org.

00:30:23.780 The founder of CRU, that left-wing legal group, we'll have Darren Beattie joining us in a little bit to discuss.

00:30:29.860 Guess where she used to work and who she used to work for? 0.99

00:30:33.720 That's the same group that's responsible for taking Trump off of Colorado's ballot.

00:30:37.780 She used to work for Joe Biden.

00:30:39.800 Not kidding.

00:30:41.080 You can read the story.

00:30:42.280 It's the same group that's taking millions from George Soros.

00:30:46.140 And by the way, the founder also said in an interview that they want to make Colorado the model for other states.

00:30:52.700 So when you say we set out to change China and that's why we let them join the World Trade Organization, don't mind if I don't buy that line because it's pretty damn clear that it was the Chinese Communist Party that changed us. 0.93

00:31:04.520 For the worse, someone who has been covering that for a while is, of course, Dr. Wolf, watching these authoritarian, weird oligarch types usher in their power and control dystopian fantasies on this otherwise great country.

00:31:21.320 But, Dr. Wolf, there is sort of an alarming story in the New York Post.

00:31:25.860 Thanks to the efforts of Heritage Foundation's Oversight Committee, they're suing because they're accusing the CIA of hiding records that show potentially that the CIA paid analysts to say that COVID-19 developed, not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but developed naturally.

00:31:45.200 People may recall, this is a story back in September, six of the seven investigators at the CIA said that COVID developed at the Wuhan lab.

00:31:53.840 There was one who didn't.

00:31:55.700 That was, of course, the theory that they ran with.

00:31:57.640 But even more sinister, there's now allegations from a congressional committee, from a whistleblower, that they actually paid those six investigators to change their opinions.

00:32:07.980 Dr. Wolf, as someone who has tracked the origins of COVID very closely and all the sort of power play dynamics that have come on the heels of it, what are your thoughts?

00:32:18.460 I mean, it's stunning.

00:32:20.620 Imagine the courage of that whistleblower and look at where we are in the demise of this formerly great republic that we're investigating the treasonous behavior, essentially, of our own, you know, most senior intelligence agencies.

00:32:36.960 I mean, I always like to take the big picture and the big picture here is it goes along with the open border because something has happened to our intelligence agencies that they can be so corrupted and that they can be so corrupted as to cover the unleashing upon the entire globe of a virus that killed millions,

00:33:00.440 or at least was the pretext, or at least was the pretext for sending people into death and starvation through lockdowns and closures of businesses and so on, you know, for two years.

00:33:11.700 And there are our own intelligence agencies are covering up the misdeeds of our most existential enemy.

00:33:19.380 I mean, it's like if in the 50s during the Cold War, you found out that the, you know, a whole tranche of the intelligence agencies were covering up for Russia unleashing a deadly attack on the West.

00:33:34.460 It's unimaginable. It's unimaginable. It's extraordinary. I mean, even kind of individual intelligence workers who were assets of the communists were sent to prison for, you know, decades when they were found to have abetted or assisted the enemy.

00:33:51.500 So it's mind blowing. And I guess it also a big picture. We need to think of the state of vulnerability in which we find ourselves with the combination of the open border military age men pouring in.

00:34:06.940 Since you and I last talked, there have been reports that these men are being sent kind of deployed into strategic locations.

00:34:14.520 And combine that with evidence. If this came to light, what else is happening at the level of the CIA that we don't know about what domestic leaders, for example, are being surveilled or targeted unlawfully that we don't know about whose railroading would benefit China, for example, or benefit other enemies of whom we might not even be aware.

00:34:41.160 I mean, it basically means if China can buy our CIA operatives or officers at these high levels or even at low levels, you know, Qatar can buy them.

00:34:53.740 Ukraine can buy them. You know, Russia can buy them. I mean, it means that no one is protecting us, essentially.

00:35:01.300 And so we are wholly, wholly compromised.

00:35:05.020 I always thought the saying trust the experts is actually some sort of weird kind of sadistic cheeky play because the experts, they are experts in COVID-19, but only because they helped create it.

00:35:21.180 Right. Like the Chinese Communist Party and these so-called public health officials and public health experts. 0.89

00:35:26.700 Anthony Fauci is probably the best example of it.

00:35:28.820 Yeah, I guess in some ways he is an expert on COVID-19 because he quite literally used our taxpayer dollars to fund the creation of it.

00:35:36.540 It's sort of an ironic twist to the saying, even though we don't trust the experts here in the war.

00:35:42.060 I don't know if you saw, we opened the show with that now pretty viral clip from Catherine Herridge basically predicting some sort of black swan event in 2024, dare I say a little bit of predictive programming.

00:35:55.780 But I'm just curious, you know, I think you really have always provided the war room with sort of a wonderful, you know, bird's eye view of all the, as the World Economic Forum would say, poly crises, right?

00:36:06.300 Whether it's public health and pandemics, the open border and immigration, climate change, you name it.

00:36:11.900 I'm just curious your thoughts on that clip, what you think about the potential for an event like that, where you think they're going to kind of go with the narrative in 2024.

00:36:20.840 I mean, you know, all those memes, Natalie, on social media that kind of admit that the craziest conspiracy theories have come true.

00:36:31.140 I used to think only insane people believed that the global evildoers let the world know what they were planning to do before they did it or engaged in, you know, you mentioned predictive programming.

00:36:44.840 But it does seem as if, I mean, I've been in rooms, you know, very, very senior people from Harvard, China-funded think tank, saying definitively to a group of New York influencers, for sure there will be another pandemic.

00:37:02.460 And this is the mantra, for sure there will be another pandemic.

00:37:05.740 And, you know, Natalie, history doesn't work that way.

00:37:08.580 The history of epidemics and infectious diseases doesn't work that way.

00:37:12.320 You can have centuries without a plague-type event, and it's literally impossible to predict.

00:37:21.760 And even the word pandemic is a fairly recent coinage, right?

00:37:26.020 And its meaning, its definitions have changed.

00:37:29.360 Point is, if someone announced that there would be a black swan event in 2024, it gives me chills because it's either a distraction.

00:37:39.060 There's going to be some scary distraction in 2024 that will be narrated as a black swan event, while what is really underway, like a 15-minute city deployment or a global biometric surveillance deployment or a central bank digital currency deployment, while, you know, the dollar collapses, is covered up by people being freaked out by the black swan event.

00:38:02.060 But I don't like it, but I don't like it, and I don't like, again, these are the kinds of things that only tinfoil haders used to worry about.

00:38:10.180 I don't like that, you know, a handful of the most elite insiders are buying up massive tranches of farmland and building underground bunkers.

00:38:19.620 You know, I don't like that.

00:38:20.820 When you look at, I always, you know, say to Steve and, you know, now to you, that my years as a political consultant led me to reason backwards.

00:38:29.280 When I look at history, look at the events and reason backwards to, you know, who might this benefit?

00:38:35.920 And if the event is multiple very wealthy people buying up farmland in Maui and New Zealand and creating some sort of prepper paradise, I don't, I don't like that because these people don't spend money like that for no reason.

00:38:53.980 So I think 2024 is going to be chaotic, but I think the end of 2020, yeah, I think 2024 is going to be chaotic because of the election.

00:39:04.680 I think it's, if we were, if I were betting, right, with you, I would say that there is literally an 80 to 90 percent chance of some catastrophic, quote, event or catastrophic narrative of an event in October of next year because of the election.

00:39:23.980 Because who do they have to take out, you know, I don't mean physically, whom do they have to challenge effectively President Trump?

00:39:32.700 They're looking at a Trump, you know, resurgency and that means jail sentences for so many people.

00:39:39.700 That means collapses in fortunes for so many people, investigations for so many people.

00:39:45.100 Why would they let that happen?

00:39:47.120 And I don't think the opposition thinks that mail-in ballots are enough anymore.

00:39:53.980 And, you know, whatever shenanigans they engaged in with the machines are enough anymore to derail the lead that President Trump has.

00:40:03.080 I mean, these things are all connected, of course, Natalie.

00:40:05.500 You know, I think the movement of African-Americans to Republicans, the movement of suburban moms to Republicans is terrifying the opposition. 0.78

00:40:14.900 So why would a narrative of a catastrophe of some kind not present itself?

00:40:22.740 Um, so I think you're right to worry.

00:40:26.000 And, um, we bought a lot of dehydrated food.

00:40:31.340 How about this?

00:40:32.440 My, uh, my New Year's resolution is no pandemics.

00:40:35.200 Uh, no more climate change lockdowns, no mask mandates, and no more predictive programming.

00:40:41.700 Dr. Ruff, I'll hold you through the break, but if you could give us a little bit.

00:40:46.080 I hear you have a wonderful piece on the war on Christmas, also waged by these same elites.

00:40:51.320 But your thoughts?

00:40:53.460 Sure.

00:40:54.020 Um, do I have time to share that now?

00:40:56.480 Yes, you can start.

00:40:57.560 Yes, yes.

00:40:58.280 I'll start.

00:40:59.260 Um, yeah, I mean, on a happier note, right?

00:41:02.060 The saving grace, I think, is that they try to roll out the Black Swan event.

00:41:06.920 I think a lot of people aren't buying it.

00:41:08.560 Like, they try to roll out the new COVID strains, and people just didn't buy that product, right?

00:41:14.340 So, um, this is related to, uh, propagandizing that people are resisting now.

00:41:19.220 I'm glad to see.

00:41:19.880 And that's the war on Christmas and Hanukkah. 0.81

00:41:21.520 Um, basically, I was writing an essay for Substack, which is kind of an elegy, uh, for

00:41:28.480 the Christmases of my childhood.

00:41:31.600 Um, and then I found out what had caused the attack on Christmas.

00:41:35.920 And why don't I hold you, hold you there, a little bit of a teaser.

00:41:39.720 People can join us after the break.

00:41:43.700 So, I've got Joe Kent, Darren Beattie, Joe Allen, Mike Lindell, and maybe a little bit

00:41:49.980 of breaking news.

00:41:51.520 From yours truly, when we come back, uh, from the break, uh, but we got also, like I said,

00:41:57.360 a very important story that we got to hear from Darren J. Beattie on, on the lawfare angle,

00:42:03.140 the lawfare element, the election interference.

00:42:06.140 That's right.

00:42:06.560 That's what it is.

00:42:07.240 That's what's going on in Colorado.

00:42:08.900 Having to do with someone named, remember this guy?

00:42:12.480 Norm Eisen.

00:42:14.160 Remember him from 2020?

00:42:16.200 Well, he's back, and we'll be back.

00:42:17.660 Oh, all the trees that are in the woods, the holy bears, the crown.

00:42:24.740 Oh, the rising of the sun and the moon.

00:42:28.360 Welcome back to the war room.

00:42:30.120 With all of this financial uncertainty, just general uncertainty, you guys got to go to

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00:43:44.620 The Chinese Communist Party is hardest hit.

00:43:48.180 Also hardest hit are the global elites because Dr. Wolf is catching and calling them out on

00:43:53.760 their lies.

00:43:54.820 Dr. Wolf, if you want to pick up where you left off on the war on Christmas and your thoughts

00:43:59.220 on it.

00:43:59.640 Sure.

00:44:00.880 And congratulations, Natalie.

00:44:02.420 That is awesome.

00:44:03.660 Oh, thank you.

00:44:05.080 Thank you.

00:44:06.180 Sure.

00:44:06.880 Well, so I was remembering in the 60s when I was tiny and the 70s that Christmas was unabashedly

00:44:16.280 religious.

00:44:17.400 I mean, there were Christmas carols in department stores.

00:44:20.180 There were creches. 1.00

00:44:22.100 There were, you know, stars.

00:44:24.580 And I'm Jewish and I wasn't offended.

00:44:27.280 It was Christmas for everybody.

00:44:28.480 And we shared Hanukkah songs and Christmas songs and we all learned from each other and

00:44:33.640 it was very, very joyful.

00:44:35.420 And then everything, I did notice that like pop culture changed in the 80s to have more

00:44:40.420 like dark Santas and bad Santas and kind of discord in families subtly.

00:44:48.280 But then in 1989, everything changed.

00:44:51.100 And then into the 90s, Christmas was gone and you had to say happy holidays and you couldn't

00:44:56.100 say Merry Christmas and all the creches vanished. 1.00

00:44:59.600 And I kind of was looking back and then things got really bad in the early 20th and 20, I'm

00:45:04.240 sorry, early 21st century with kind of vomiting Santas and Santa Con and kind of the Christ story

00:45:12.040 being completely marginalized and no more religious carols anywhere.

00:45:17.320 And I trace the history of that.

00:45:19.100 But I thought, what changed it?

00:45:20.840 Because again, culture doesn't move that abruptly.

00:45:24.040 And there was a turning point in the war on Christmas.

00:45:26.940 In 1989, the ACLU, which again, I used to think were the good guys, they took aim, engaged in

00:45:35.600 lawfare against the people of Allegheny for the town court displaying a creche inside the court 0.89

00:45:44.480 and a gigantic menorah put out there by Chabad, the Jewish organization, outside the courthouse.

00:45:51.300 And the lawsuit led to the court's decision about this situation that said the inside one

00:45:59.560 was illegal, but the outside one wasn't illegal or unconstitutional.

00:46:03.820 So to me, that just seems weird.

00:46:05.420 I'm Jewish.

00:46:05.960 Why not just move everything outside and invite other religious displays?

00:46:09.700 But I looked up the Establishment Clause of the Constitution, which is supposed to be

00:46:14.540 the Clause of the Constitution that monitors how the state talks about religion.

00:46:22.260 And there, the first result was this website called Legal Information Institute.

00:46:30.260 And it claimed that the Establishment Clause is meant to prevent the state from engaging with religion.

00:46:39.060 Well, then I clicked to find, while I still can, the text of the Constitution.

00:46:43.340 And it doesn't say that at all.

00:46:45.720 It doesn't say that at all.

00:46:48.020 The First Amendment Establishment Clause says that no one should, that the state shouldn't

00:46:52.380 interfere with the free expression of religion or make any law interfere with the free expression

00:46:59.220 of religion.

00:46:59.980 So these religious displays outside of courthouses, outside of libraries, the creches, the menorahs,

00:47:07.560 the religious carrels, they are protected by the Establishment Clause.

00:47:12.120 So basically, the court got it wrong.

00:47:15.220 The ACLU, you know, made a wrong decision to go after these people.

00:47:20.220 And then I clicked through further and found out that Chinese money, always China, China,

00:47:27.180 China, was going to Cornell University, which established this website, which was misinterpreting

00:47:34.900 the Establishment Clause, in order to allow the erasure of religion and to get us to forget 0.62

00:47:40.860 that, in fact, our Constitution protects the free expression everywhere of all religion,

00:47:47.840 right?

00:47:48.120 It keeps the state from affirming a single religion.

00:47:50.680 But you are free to put your creche outside, to put your menorah outside.

00:47:54.860 You know, your town is free to put Santa up, you know, outside the post office.

00:48:00.000 I mean, basically, the war on Christmas and Hanukkah, because the fact that a menorah was

00:48:06.840 targeted as well has been lost to history, right?

00:48:09.320 The people of Allegheny were celebrating, you know, multiple religions.

00:48:13.200 They were celebrating the freedom of all of their people, not just Christians, to worship

00:48:17.520 and celebrate the time as they saw fit.

00:48:19.880 That turning point in 1989 allowed for the erasure of Christmas and what we're seeing now, the

00:48:28.260 erasure of Hanukkah, even.

00:48:30.060 We're seeing, like, school plays, can't mention the nativity.

00:48:35.200 You know, half of the schools in Britain no longer have their nativity plays, which is this

00:48:41.020 decades-long British tradition.

00:48:44.060 You're not supposed to say, you're not supposed to mention Christmas at all.

00:48:47.440 You're not supposed to mention Hanukkah.

00:48:48.660 You're supposed to say happy holidays, which is now morphing into, you know, winter fest

00:48:53.380 or, you know, the winter season.

00:48:56.280 This started out as a war on our culture, on our tradition, on our Western Judeo-Christian

00:49:02.720 tradition.

00:49:03.600 And now funded by China, this cultural war is trying to get us to forget the very underpinnings 0.82

00:49:11.800 of religious freedom in our country in order to wipe out religious expression. 0.66

00:49:16.200 And that was what I learned for Christmas.

00:49:18.660 That is quite the niche take that I think you'd only get here in the War Room, and I

00:49:23.160 wholeheartedly agree with you.

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Bannon's War Room - December 27, 2023

Episode 3275： What 2024 Looks Like For Border Security

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