00:00:00.000There was a general decline in some of the migrant flows.
00:00:05.120Again, not perfect, not saying that it was down to a level that was comfortable for anybody, but there had been a decline.
00:00:11.700And so we want to see that same effort being applied again as a team going forward, and we'll see where that goes.
00:00:19.780But we're working on this really hard.
00:00:21.380Another thing is these crowds here in Eagle Pass have never been this large during my reporting.
00:00:27.040This is the most people I've ever seen in Eagle Pass and other reporters, colleagues working other parts of the border in Arizona, in Hacumba, near San Diego, tell me the same thing.
00:00:37.040We have these conversations, and the conversation is always, wow, I've never seen this number of migrants arriving.
00:00:42.920And we know from the reports coming from the government with these numbers.
00:00:46.280We have the number of apprehensions, the numbers of encounters, everything spiking.
00:00:51.080So we don't know what this will mean moving forward.
00:00:53.840We just know that the numbers are much larger as the resources are spread thin.
00:00:59.000I understand you don't want to negotiate from the podium, but can you tell the American people that there's any immigration policy that this White House is willing to talk about and is working on with Republicans?
00:19:46.860Now, when you talk about de-dollarization, not wanting to send more money to Ukraine, I think that's probably the strapline of the war room.
00:19:54.940But this time it's not me saying that.
00:19:56.800It's actually Nobel Prize winning economist over at Yale University, believe it or not, warning that if the White House proceeds, sometimes they've sort of intimated that they may give seized Russian assets to Ukraine instead of more of our taxpayer dollars or probably both,
00:20:15.040that that would kind of accelerate us down the path of de-dollarization globally.
00:20:20.380We've said many times here on this show, we're no longer in the phases or stages of managed decline.
00:20:28.120And the story sums it up quite nicely.
00:20:30.520Joining us to break it down is someone who has always been out of the curve on Ukraine, although I guess it's easy when you're not part of the CIA deep state mainstream media industrial complex.
00:20:53.060Well, many people will be familiar with this economist, even if they're not immediately familiar with his name.
00:21:00.520Robert Schiller won the Nobel Prize for economics back in 2013.
00:21:04.880He gave his name to the Case Schiller Index, which is part of the work he won the Nobel Prize for, which is an index on basically house prices pegged on 1990.
00:21:17.040And if you if you if you if you ever read the economic financial reports, you will often see references to the Case Schiller index.
00:21:23.320So he's he's that rare breed, Natalie.
00:21:27.200He is a Nobel, an economic Nobel Prize winner who has, I would say, name strong name recognition, even if people aren't that aware with the academic ins and outs of his various theses.
00:21:42.640So that said, what what what what was his statement?
00:21:46.760Well, he said that giving confiscated Russian assets to Ukraine would become, and I quote, a cataclysm for the current dollar dominated economic system.
00:21:57.600So I think that this will destroy the halo of security that surrounds the dollar and will be the first step towards the dollarization.
00:22:05.640Exactly as you pointed out in your introduction, Natalie.
00:22:08.260This is this is, you know, there's very little I need to add on to this because I think the words themselves are that alarming.
00:22:19.440Incidentally, the Financial Times of London did have a similar article just a couple of days before Christmas, arguing exactly against the seizure of of Russian assets, Russian central bank assets.
00:22:36.400We're talking approximately, Natalie, about two hundred and sixty billion euros worth of assets here.
00:22:42.920And not all of the European Union is on on side with France and Germany, for example, are quite opposed to this behind closed doors.
00:22:53.440The reason that they're doing this isn't so much because of de-dollarization or even de-euroization, to coin the term.
00:23:00.500It's because of the precedent that this will send, will establish right across the world.
00:23:07.420Because, of course, if it's OK for the United States or Western Western nations who are part of the pro-Ukraine orbit, if it's OK for these countries to seize, to permanently seize,
00:23:20.180not just to seize, which is which is what happened basically within days of Russia's invasion into Ukraine, but but not just freezing to seize.
00:23:28.620If they were to seize these these central bank assets, then basically any country that has a gripe with any other country around the world could do exactly the same thing.
00:23:38.360And it's easy to see from that how how this the precedent here and themselves are saying that this is this is an extension of what the West did with regards to sealing Iraqi assets back in 1991.
00:23:56.800So this is another example, Natalie, of how bad precedents really do have ongoing consequences that will wreak damage right across the world.
00:24:10.040Now, I just want to close with this point, because I think it's illustrative.
00:24:15.920This war was was was was start, you know, when the war, when the West came in behind Ukraine in February 2022.
00:24:27.600The whole point about this, the whole shtick was that there was to defend the international rules based order.
00:24:35.060And as the FT is suggesting here, as Robert Schiller is suggesting, actually, if we're going to push this this far and seize the Russian central bank assets,
00:24:51.400that will actually do a massive undermining damage to the international rules based order, far more, far more damage.
00:25:00.940I mean, Steve talks about this basically on every show, the consequences of de-dollarization, not just for the United States, of course,
00:25:07.500but for all of the satellite economies that depend on the United States that are in the United States orbit are far much more damage to the international rules based order
00:25:18.360than simply letting Russia get away with annexing the Donbass in Ukraine.
00:25:24.800So I think, you know, I do have some other stories to go through to you, but I know we're heading towards a break now.
00:25:30.640I just want to illustrate that this point is now not just being spoken about on the war,
00:25:36.580and this is now sort of the alarming concern, the threats, the worries are now very much in the mainstream discourse, Natalie.
00:26:07.460Just a couple of weeks – well, a couple of days ago,
00:26:09.600unless Viktor Orban, the prime minister of Hungary,
00:26:13.100in my mind the most heroic of all the 27 EU member states,
00:26:18.220he vetoed the European Union plan to give 51 billion euros of immediate assistance to Ukraine.
00:26:28.260He originally said he was going to veto the opening of accession talks with Ukraine.
00:26:34.200So he let that pass, knowing, of course, that he would have, I think, 70 or so opportunities to veto that further down the line.
00:26:42.180In the years and years-long negotiations this is going to take.
00:26:45.740But what he did do was he vetoed the EU budget, this emergency instrument, to give Ukraine 51 billion dollars.
00:26:54.000Now, the fallout of that vetoing, Natalie, is that Russia, excuse me, Ukraine is starting to talk about it no longer has the money to pay its civil servants,
00:27:07.860their pension payments and their salaries, which is a somewhat quixotic fixation.
00:27:16.200And here, the deputy prime minister is insisting that it gets its hands on 37 billion dollars' worth of external support at ASAP.
00:27:26.440Natalie, it's a somewhat quixotic fixation that you can't pay your civil servants when you're drafting young men to be blown to bits on the front line.
00:27:36.480And, Harmo, we've got to run, but if people want to stay up to date with all your analysis and everything, where can they go to do that?
00:27:42.260It's on Getter, which is my social platform of choice, Natalie.
00:27:47.660Simply type in my surname, at Harnwell, on Getter.
00:28:30.040I'm still getting used to the Christmas music, and I'll probably just get used to it in time for Christmas time to be over, because we say Merry Christmas here in the War Room.
00:29:17.320Look no further than CEFC China Energy.
00:29:19.900Happens to be Hunter Biden's business partner.
00:29:21.760I'm sure no conspiracies, no coincidences there.
00:29:23.700On their web page, they admit that they want to wage war.
00:29:27.400On the United States, and I don't know about you, but when you see people like Hunter Biden, representatives of the permanent political class, right, don't miss the forest for the trees, everyone in D.C. is on the take from the Chinese Communist Party.
00:29:39.960And concurrently, you see your pension funds, your taxpayer dollars going to prop up that illegitimate communist regime.
00:29:46.760Really makes you wonder when Joe Biden says, China's rise isn't our demise, although maybe he says it in a creepy whisper voice.
00:29:56.020When they say our demise, they're not talking about people like you, me, average, everyday Americans.
00:30:00.840They know that China's rise has been the biggest boon, not just to their pocketbooks, but to the way that they want to run and administer this country, which is replete with lawfare, really with power, authoritarian tactics that only the Chinese Communist Party could envy.
00:30:16.280If you look no further than what's going on in Colorado, fun fact, or I should say not so fun fact, we've got a story breaking up on warroom.org.
00:30:23.780The founder of CRU, that left-wing legal group, we'll have Darren Beattie joining us in a little bit to discuss.
00:30:29.860Guess where she used to work and who she used to work for?
00:30:33.720That's the same group that's responsible for taking Trump off of Colorado's ballot.
00:30:42.280It's the same group that's taking millions from George Soros.
00:30:46.140And by the way, the founder also said in an interview that they want to make Colorado the model for other states.
00:30:52.700So when you say we set out to change China and that's why we let them join the World Trade Organization, don't mind if I don't buy that line because it's pretty damn clear that it was the Chinese Communist Party that changed us.
00:31:04.520For the worse, someone who has been covering that for a while is, of course, Dr. Wolf, watching these authoritarian, weird oligarch types usher in their power and control dystopian fantasies on this otherwise great country.
00:31:21.320But, Dr. Wolf, there is sort of an alarming story in the New York Post.
00:31:25.860Thanks to the efforts of Heritage Foundation's Oversight Committee, they're suing because they're accusing the CIA of hiding records that show potentially that the CIA paid analysts to say that COVID-19 developed, not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but developed naturally.
00:31:45.200People may recall, this is a story back in September, six of the seven investigators at the CIA said that COVID developed at the Wuhan lab.
00:31:55.700That was, of course, the theory that they ran with.
00:31:57.640But even more sinister, there's now allegations from a congressional committee, from a whistleblower, that they actually paid those six investigators to change their opinions.
00:32:07.980Dr. Wolf, as someone who has tracked the origins of COVID very closely and all the sort of power play dynamics that have come on the heels of it, what are your thoughts?
00:32:20.620Imagine the courage of that whistleblower and look at where we are in the demise of this formerly great republic that we're investigating the treasonous behavior, essentially, of our own, you know, most senior intelligence agencies.
00:32:36.960I mean, I always like to take the big picture and the big picture here is it goes along with the open border because something has happened to our intelligence agencies that they can be so corrupted and that they can be so corrupted as to cover the unleashing upon the entire globe of a virus that killed millions,
00:33:00.440or at least was the pretext, or at least was the pretext for sending people into death and starvation through lockdowns and closures of businesses and so on, you know, for two years.
00:33:11.700And there are our own intelligence agencies are covering up the misdeeds of our most existential enemy.
00:33:19.380I mean, it's like if in the 50s during the Cold War, you found out that the, you know, a whole tranche of the intelligence agencies were covering up for Russia unleashing a deadly attack on the West.
00:33:34.460It's unimaginable. It's unimaginable. It's extraordinary. I mean, even kind of individual intelligence workers who were assets of the communists were sent to prison for, you know, decades when they were found to have abetted or assisted the enemy.
00:33:51.500So it's mind blowing. And I guess it also a big picture. We need to think of the state of vulnerability in which we find ourselves with the combination of the open border military age men pouring in.
00:34:06.940Since you and I last talked, there have been reports that these men are being sent kind of deployed into strategic locations.
00:34:14.520And combine that with evidence. If this came to light, what else is happening at the level of the CIA that we don't know about what domestic leaders, for example, are being surveilled or targeted unlawfully that we don't know about whose railroading would benefit China, for example, or benefit other enemies of whom we might not even be aware.
00:34:41.160I mean, it basically means if China can buy our CIA operatives or officers at these high levels or even at low levels, you know, Qatar can buy them.
00:34:53.740Ukraine can buy them. You know, Russia can buy them. I mean, it means that no one is protecting us, essentially.
00:35:01.300And so we are wholly, wholly compromised.
00:35:05.020I always thought the saying trust the experts is actually some sort of weird kind of sadistic cheeky play because the experts, they are experts in COVID-19, but only because they helped create it.
00:35:21.180Right. Like the Chinese Communist Party and these so-called public health officials and public health experts.
00:35:26.700Anthony Fauci is probably the best example of it.
00:35:28.820Yeah, I guess in some ways he is an expert on COVID-19 because he quite literally used our taxpayer dollars to fund the creation of it.
00:35:36.540It's sort of an ironic twist to the saying, even though we don't trust the experts here in the war.
00:35:42.060I don't know if you saw, we opened the show with that now pretty viral clip from Catherine Herridge basically predicting some sort of black swan event in 2024, dare I say a little bit of predictive programming.
00:35:55.780But I'm just curious, you know, I think you really have always provided the war room with sort of a wonderful, you know, bird's eye view of all the, as the World Economic Forum would say, poly crises, right?
00:36:06.300Whether it's public health and pandemics, the open border and immigration, climate change, you name it.
00:36:11.900I'm just curious your thoughts on that clip, what you think about the potential for an event like that, where you think they're going to kind of go with the narrative in 2024.
00:36:20.840I mean, you know, all those memes, Natalie, on social media that kind of admit that the craziest conspiracy theories have come true.
00:36:31.140I used to think only insane people believed that the global evildoers let the world know what they were planning to do before they did it or engaged in, you know, you mentioned predictive programming.
00:36:44.840But it does seem as if, I mean, I've been in rooms, you know, very, very senior people from Harvard, China-funded think tank, saying definitively to a group of New York influencers, for sure there will be another pandemic.
00:37:02.460And this is the mantra, for sure there will be another pandemic.
00:37:05.740And, you know, Natalie, history doesn't work that way.
00:37:08.580The history of epidemics and infectious diseases doesn't work that way.
00:37:12.320You can have centuries without a plague-type event, and it's literally impossible to predict.
00:37:21.760And even the word pandemic is a fairly recent coinage, right?
00:37:26.020And its meaning, its definitions have changed.
00:37:29.360Point is, if someone announced that there would be a black swan event in 2024, it gives me chills because it's either a distraction.
00:37:39.060There's going to be some scary distraction in 2024 that will be narrated as a black swan event, while what is really underway, like a 15-minute city deployment or a global biometric surveillance deployment or a central bank digital currency deployment, while, you know, the dollar collapses, is covered up by people being freaked out by the black swan event.
00:38:02.060But I don't like it, but I don't like it, and I don't like, again, these are the kinds of things that only tinfoil haders used to worry about.
00:38:10.180I don't like that, you know, a handful of the most elite insiders are buying up massive tranches of farmland and building underground bunkers.
00:38:20.820When you look at, I always, you know, say to Steve and, you know, now to you, that my years as a political consultant led me to reason backwards.
00:38:29.280When I look at history, look at the events and reason backwards to, you know, who might this benefit?
00:38:35.920And if the event is multiple very wealthy people buying up farmland in Maui and New Zealand and creating some sort of prepper paradise, I don't, I don't like that because these people don't spend money like that for no reason.
00:38:53.980So I think 2024 is going to be chaotic, but I think the end of 2020, yeah, I think 2024 is going to be chaotic because of the election.
00:39:04.680I think it's, if we were, if I were betting, right, with you, I would say that there is literally an 80 to 90 percent chance of some catastrophic, quote, event or catastrophic narrative of an event in October of next year because of the election.
00:39:23.980Because who do they have to take out, you know, I don't mean physically, whom do they have to challenge effectively President Trump?
00:39:32.700They're looking at a Trump, you know, resurgency and that means jail sentences for so many people.
00:39:39.700That means collapses in fortunes for so many people, investigations for so many people.
00:39:47.120And I don't think the opposition thinks that mail-in ballots are enough anymore.
00:39:53.980And, you know, whatever shenanigans they engaged in with the machines are enough anymore to derail the lead that President Trump has.
00:40:03.080I mean, these things are all connected, of course, Natalie.
00:40:05.500You know, I think the movement of African-Americans to Republicans, the movement of suburban moms to Republicans is terrifying the opposition.
00:40:14.900So why would a narrative of a catastrophe of some kind not present itself?